JOIN our Locals community to hear *Sall* answer audience questions. CLICK the link: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Introduction 00:32 Sall Grover’s Background 03:05 The Story Behind Giggle 10:28 The Importance of a Female-Only App 17:59 Will Women Be Judged For Wanting Female-Only Apps? 19:13 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo 20:47 Do We Pretend There is No Difference Between Men & Women? 27:02 Gender Identity in the Law 31:10 Legal Case & Future Expectations 42:40 Why Support for Self-ID is Declining 44:05 Sponsor Message: AG1 45:41 The Need for Changes in the Law 49:03 How Can People Support the Case? 50:07 What's the One Thing We're Not Talking About?
It's like a massive overcorrection to the issue of oppressed minorities. Where did all the utilitarians go? Countries and their governments are supposed to exist for their citizens and the most effective way of doing that is serving the majority.
Yep. Just like the few that rule the many. It's because most people are cowards. They are more scared of what people think about them and say about them. Once you don't care anymore , then you are truly free. I've lost loads of so called friends over the years because I say it how it is. They're all sheep. Baaaaaaa!
No, a Man is not a Woman. Should be common sense. But this is how far Social Engineering has taken things, to the level of the Ridiculous. We do indeed need to solve this problem once and for all. The sooner the better. I'll definitely be watching. Bravo.
Welcome to the transhuman world. Started w men being men or women, probably will go further to a kid can be a kid or an adult😱, and somewhere in near future a human can be human or transhuman.
@@JackyPupWomen persistently must invade mens spaces. They then demand the rules to be changed so they FEEL safe. The shoe is now on the other foot ... welcome to equality ladies and the world of men
No, that is NOT what delusion is! there is an aspect of diagnosing a delusion, that is wither or not it is harmful to yourself or would cause you to harm others. It isn't enough that one's perception does not match reality.
Sorry Mate, your cousins hair dressers mothers Whistle Blowing Government Agency Protected friend said at lunch last month that ........................................... Keep your head down and watch your kids
A women's only app is almost certainly illegal as it discriminates on the grounds of sex. The person being transgender is irrelevant to the case. Note that women faught tooth and nail against mens only "spaces" and what goes around comes around.
The politicians are to blame. It's crazy that they legislated a law that gives legal protection to an abstract concept such as feelings. Nobody should have any legal protection for claiming to feel like a woman.
Not one of these people have ever been able to tell me what it feels like to be a woman or a man. I'm a 42 year old man, but I can't tell you what it feels like to be a man, I can only say what I think makes me a man. If these people don't have the genitalia of the gender they claim to be, how can they tell me what it feels like to have them in the first place? A weird aside, I've always wondered what the female orgasm feels like and would love to experience having one because they look more intense than a male version, but I know it is impossible. I could have all sorts of surgeries, but I still wouldn't have a clitoris or G-Spot. The same way a woman can never have a prostate. It seems that all these surgeries are really money-making schemes because all they do is fix a perceived cosmetic issue. Obviously, the WEF effort to depopulate the Earth is worth consideration, too.
Is she crowdfunding her defence against the idiots? If so I'll donate immediately. Long overdue this nonsense is challenged and dealt with. If you are a man and enjoy wearing badly selected ladies clothes and adopting stripper names that's niche. Live your life. Don't expect full access to genuine female space. Get a grip fellas.
A reminder that Monty Python mocked this ideology in the Life of Brian way back in 1979 when it must have been a fringe idea in even the most radical circles…nearly half a century later and our institutions are actually promoting it…
the rabbit hole you fall down on this subject is pretty scary. But its there if you want to know about it. There was a book written in the 1970s called Transexual Empire by Janice Raymond that is rather critical of the movement. So it was a movement all the way back then.
Sal is amazing. Im just so sorry that she and so many other brilliant women and men have to waste so much of their time, energy, sanity and money on this absolute insanity.
What men? This sexist woman made the app for females only. Can you imagine if a man made a male only app. She'd be the first to complain about patriarchy, se xism and other such nonsense.
You know the difference though, right? Because I’m crediting you with an analytical faculty. The reason that golf clubs and private members’ clubs, the Freemasons etc etc were/are men only is because these are places of powerful elitist gatherings which exclude wome, which leads to economic and social discrimination for women to the benefit of men. Look forward to an essay about where I’m wrong on that. Women wanting to set up an app to talk about women’s concerns is 100% different. Please encourage men to do the same. God knows med need social and mental support of friendly peers right now. I have no objection in principle with the idea of men only spaces. So if there is a genuine example of an equivalent thing happening to a men’s society, send me deets.
@@tamdao8396 Start off with an ad hominem attack and then show your hypocrisy. If you have no problem with men only spaces, then you can't complain that 'golf clubs and private members’ clubs, the Freemasons etc etc were/are men only'. Either there can be men and women only spaces or there can't be, unless you're a hypocrite. Right now there can be women only spaces but not men only spaces. Feminism created this monster by denying men only spaces and by claiming that biology is the only difference between men and women, that male and female is a social construct, thus a surgical sex change results in, hey presto, a real sex change. It also extends, of course, to denying a man who identifies as a woman entrance to a woman’s space as being sexist, thus undoing any ethical defence against this intrusion. And of course, women only spaces can be used for the accrual of power and influence just as much as men only spaces can. I'll credit you with the analytical faculty to realise this, despite obviously not having considered it before.
I did see how they treated you during COVID. Cop's fighting with the public. In the UK we had the odd thing happen but as you say this case could go the wrong way. Need a good female judge.
Yes, but it is increasingly the case that a lot of Aussies see how they have been played during and post covid and are actively engaged in ensuring this will not happen so easily again.
@@rwkh10 You are kidding, right. Women can be the worst wokesters. It was a female High Court justice who decided to release illegal 'stateless' immigrants who had committed serious crimes back into the community.
I didn't realise until recently the huge potential impact of this case and that it could help influence things much, much wider than Australia if won. I hope everyone who can donates and helps her win this.
The case has zero impact as it is completely irrelevant. Australia allows affirmation to be the sole determinant of gender, therefore the fight has already been legislated and lost.
@@patheticpear2897 (a) You can't legislate against the constitution (b) If she is punished, it will wake up a lot of women, and men, and there will be backlash against politicians
She can't win. Under the equality laws that the women wanted even if she can have him classified as a man she still has to let him on the app as otherwise she will be illegally discriminating on the grounds of sex. Remember they campaigned long and hard to get rid of mens only spaces and the flip side of the coin is no women's spaces either. Its womens fault they didn't think through the consequences.
What's also sad is that justice costs so much money... As a kid you think justice will prevail, and you see those statues of the blindfolded woman statues holding the scales outside of the courtrooms. And then you get older and realize only rich people, or those who have connections or are popular enough to crowdsource money can even just start the fight for it. Like she has to pay such an insane amount of money, to fight for something that should be the standard of sanity.
This is a feature, rather than a bug. One of the central insights of the bitcoin maximalists is that consensus-building mechanisms in society are organized hierarchically. When the mechanism is expensive, the risk of lying becomes disproportionately costlier than honesty. Therefore, expensive mechanisms are more credible than cheap mechanisms. Courts are designed to build a consensus of the truth, to the second highest possible standard. This is an expensive process by nature. The first highest possible standard is warfare, which builds a consensus of the balance of power between state-actors by testing their beliefs via experiment. It's known as the Ultima Ratio Regum for a reason.
Justice is a goal that can never be achieved. Do you not understand that you are not just. Think about it do you make the right decision all the time if you think you do you're scaring me.
To make things worse, Sall has to pay her legal fees herself where Mr Tickle has actually be given a grant of $50,000 for the first court hearing (which will determine whether it proceeds to the High Court). That first case will cost Sall $500,000 and Mr Tickle is getting money plus pro bono legal support.
Women won’t allow men-only anything, so it’s somehow satisfying to see that the gender monster that women largely created is now preventing them from having women-only anything either.
The world has gone crazy! As an Australian woman I wish you all the best and admire you for fighting for what you believe in and standing up for all (real) women everywhere.
It is not the world, they are just a few ideologues, a bunch of self serving people that are just trying to get something out of this, and a whole bunch of people that won't or don't have the time to learn this crazy and by desingn obtuse and unaprochable theory and they just hear the acussation "trasphobe" and agree. If i had a nickel for every time i watch a trans person being called transphobe... and for increasingly stupid reasons too.
Part of me agrees. The other part of me says, "Women destroyed men's only spaces so they could be part of 'the men'". So since all male only spaces have been destroyed for the sake of women, that part of me says, "Suck it up buttercup."
No, she doesn't need to win this case. Can a man create an app that keeps women out of it???? No, because that man would be hung drawn and quartered by the woke crowd, which she belongs to, btw!!!! Men are seriously the biggest damn fools!!!! hahahaha
I feel so ashamed of myself as I near enough harassed Sall when I was a TRA. I am a 20 year old female and for nearly a decade I was a trans rights activist. From when I was 11 to literally January this year I was A proper liberal feminist (it’s very embarrassing to think back on lol). My feminism is very much now in line with the amazing Julie Bindel who you’ve obviously had on here. I have watched the episode with her at least 4 times over because she’s just so amazing and I agree with everything she says. But I came here to say I was awful to Sall when I was a TRA. I said horrible things over twitter which she had replied to, and messaged her on different accounts when she blocked me. When I started questioning trans ideology early this year, I followed salls tweets and I just started to be absolutely obsessed with her I think she’s amazing. I messaged her a few months back to apologise profusely. I explained everything about the cult like mentality and how being a trans rights activist can make you so nasty and evil and hateful whilst claiming to be the opposite. I told her I had stopped speaking to family members because of it. I took full responsibility however as I know I shouldn’t have got into the 2015 tumblr crowd which basically started all this crap. She was so lovely to me and forgave me, and told me she’s hopes I have sorted things with my family. She is such an amazing woman and I will forever feel guilty for how I treated her. These TRAs should be ashamed of themselves, as I am so. That being said, it really is a cult like mentality. I wish I could go on forever about how it makes you feel and act because it is honestly horrible and depressing but you feel noble and the sense of community you feel is overwhelming in a good way at the time. It preys on vulnerable young people and turns them into nasty little fvckers like I was. Sall is amazing and I hope giggle gets up and running again soon. I’d love to use it !
You are brave and mature to admit this. Bravo for waking up from the fog of trans delusion. But now there is work to do. You can atone by getting involved -- fighting this evil that is eroding our society at a rapid pace. Talk to other young people who support TR and let them know you once felt the same way but have become enlightened to how harmful it is. You will have a much better chance of getting through to them than anyone else. Good luck to you.
@@longtimelo thank you for the kind words I am slowly but surely getting the courage to reveal my true feelings about all this stuff to the people around me. It’s crazy I have to come out as a TERF though lol. Thank you mate
This is the best post I’ve read in ages… I am so happy to hear, that at such a young age you’ve been able to pull up, question yourself and your own firmly held beliefs, and discover different answers. This must be difficult to do when those immersed in this ideology are your social universe. It’s brave, not so hard for me, almost every woman I know is a TERF to some degree, but for you this is a difficult step. I like that your critical thinking kicked in, even when you were motivated to ignore it. I wish you the best of luck with your family, and your future. X
but only the right type of mentally ill. most people are suffering in some way but most of it isn't pretty and it's not easy to deal with. while the trans stuff has rainbows and unicorns and is all about "affirming" and celebrating. of course it's got a dark underbelly, but people ignore that (if they didn't ignore it, we wouldn't be here..)
I’m an Australian and it makes me mad that the Federal Government are paying his legal fees and any man who says he is a women is protected by the law. I’m pleased this fight has fallen in the hands of this strong, intelligent and articulate woman. I am right behind Sall!
It is bullying, but such is the reality of applied Intersectionailty. When a victim group has served its purpose, it is trumped by another victim group. When the Queer and Transgender victim group has run its course, everyone will probably join in and cheer on the fundamentalists.
@@dirkvanschalkwyk1919 What do you mean after it has run its course? They are already cheering for Laden and Hamas and the Q'n (Surah at-Tawba 29 is resistance!)
It absolutely IS bullying. And that's actually a large part of the point. This whole woke, transgender, intersectionality trend has empowered (and created) narcissists, psychopaths and predators to do what they enjoy: and what many of them enjoy is the harassment of others. They literally want a large following to applaud them for their "bravery" while they make the group they target miserable, uncomfortable and to feel unsafe. That's a double win.
I agree with her, but she’s far from articulate. They asked her the same question 3 times and she couldn’t answer it. Either she didn’t know the answer or didn’t understand the question
@@michaelharvest931I was under a different impression. She is not articulate all right, but here I thought she avoided the answer she really wanted to give by all means, to not get the guys demonetized, which is " I don't want r*p*sts and perverts on this app, so I'd rather have no men on it".
This is the same issue we face in the states with male athletes who identify as female and participate in women's sports and dominate every sport they compete against naturally born females.
This suggests a simple solution, if a specific sports league 'for women' allows men to compete then boycott the league. Only compete in leagues that only allow female competitors. If there isn't one in your sport of choice, form a new league.
I am a man and there is nothing more stupid and boring than listening to or reading women's conversations so you have to ask yourself what kind of man (and we know it's not a woman) who can listen to that? I know a few gay men and they find women's conversations boring (if it's not a strictly targeted conversation about what they're interested in)
@@nobledarkmoon They should still have their own spaces. The problem is things like cigar bars and golfing were ways men could get promotions and women couldn't because they weren't apart of the "boys clubs". Other than financial advancements, I do not understand why women would want to be in your spaces.
@@CyberMachine 1950's in Australia, many bars were men only, tea houses were for women, men were allowed to enter if signed in by a female patron and he is finely dressed. In the bars men swore and did fight, not a place for a woman due to the roughness of guys winding down. You can see that dress standards have dissolved over time.
@@nobledarkmoon See I agree with all of this. Literally the only exception is when it comes to jobs. And I think this way if the bosses were all females and would only go to a female only spa to discuss promotions. It wouldn't be fair to the male employees.
Thank you soooooo much for posting this interview with this beautifully intelligent, strong, cogent, and well grounded, articulate woman, Sall Grover, who is saying everything I've been feeling and milling around in my mind about the utterly atrocious gender insanity afflicting the western world. This is the first time I've ever heard of her but I will be following this case with interest (from Canada, where the sharing of social media new sharing has been censored for some time now!). Please keep up the good work! Warmest best wishes to all of you!
My friends of 20 years, a couple who are doctors told me the following. They have never treated a biological woman for testicular cancer or prostate cancer. Similarly they have never treated a biological man for cancers of the uterus, Fallopian tubes or performed a hysterectomy.
when they implant a uterus into a man they'll be treating pregnancies and some m-to-f trans have already said they want a uterus so they can feel the glory of having an abortion. and you know your government will use public funds to pay for all of it! or rather, you will all pay for it collectively.
In US we are supposed to have freedom of association. It gets violated in similar ways as she is experiencing. Our courts are backing those infringements in many areas. Very concerning.
@@NeverForget1776 I think you and others are confused about the first amendment. It only states that the government can not restrict who you associate/assemble with. It has nothing to do with guaranteeing businesses the freedom to refuse service to anyone, which is what you're talking about.
Australian female here, just donated and sent the link to all my friends. Would be so great if people from around the world helped by donating and we can this insanity for good!
These questions are easily answered by an interview of Indian film auteur, Vaishnavi Sundar, who is completing a documentary on trans widows, the ex-wives of men who "think they are female" suddenly. Previews at Lime Soda Films, Behind the Looking Glass, profiling 18 of us. Most of the time, we are silenced.
It wasn’t discussed in this interview but I think it’s important - over the last couple of decades men and boys have lost their single sex spaces to feminist ideals. I remember when we started talking about it in the 90s I thought: if they ban male only spaces they’ll come for women only spaces as well. And they have.
Women might be arrested, and definitely ejected from men's bathrooms and locker rooms if anyone complained. In the past, the sticking point about some men's only spaces is being shut out professionally. If you work in a traditionally male dominated industry it makes it much more difficult to get to know others working in the industry if you're shut out of clubs. There are men's only groups though, I see them on google groups. For example for single fathers. There's one called "no more mr nice guy". Grindr WAS a men's only app, doing its thing without worrying that women would join. After years of operation it never occurred to users that the trans movement would eventually come for them. They thought wrong. Trans men (women) are signing up on Grindr. They are being rejected organically. I'm not sure if it's a new thing. Men are signing up to hook up with trans women. They put "no men" in their profile which some gay men find irritating. They are straight-ish bisexuals that are attracted to female looking people.
be grateful that the "so bad feminism" fought for you too to give you the right to vote, the right to an education, the right to participate in the workforce, the right to own property, the right to play sports in the women's section etc etc
But i wasn't invited to a billionaire's party last night. Can i sue? I mean they made me feel left out because I'm poor. I deserve to be included. They shouldn't be able to tell im not a real billionaire and even if they can tell they should pretend they can't tell, otherwise that's discrimination. And it hurts my precious feelings.
As an Australian this case is going to define our country ongoing in many ways. We were a no nonsense Country, I hope she prevails for us, and all Australian WOMEN or we become the unlucky country.
What's amazing to me, is that (first) you need tons of money to achieve your (human) right to defend yourself (in court), and if you fail to do so (or if you're boycotted by funding platforms), you'll never get that right, so it all depends on money and not on who's right or wrong...
@@JackyPupthere hasn’t been such a case against Men’s Sheds. The MALE figurehead Barry Golding decided by himself that one day a week the Sheds would be Women’s Sheds. Each remain single sex.
What I can't wrap my head around is why ANYONE..ANY ONE ....Would want , or feel the need to, join any anything that didn't want them to be there .....
They don't want to hang out with other men in dresses. 'Trans lesbians' (aka heterosexual male crossdressers) always want the real thing, like heterosexual men do. Invading female spaces is just part of their fetish, oh sorry, I mean 'gender euphoria'.
@@carpo719 It's worse than you think. It's not just wanting to complain and play the victim, it's truly being obsessed with the sexual high of having other people treat you as a woman. This is sexual, sexual obsession and perversion. Look up the term "autogynephilia" which is the name of this psychiatric syndrome.
I am with you all the way on this Sall and I hope, for the sake of all humanity that you win this case. But, also on behalf of all good, decent men I would like to remind everyone about the fact that the new age feminist's have been attacking men only establishments for several years now to the point where men only establishment are now virtually non-existent. I'm not stating this to take away from you the importance of what you are doing, as I fully support it. But more of a way to explain that it was actually the feminist movement that started all of the banning of gender specific establishments.
My phobia is forced speech and legislation in service of a denial of reality, not trans people. They should be granted exactly the same rights as anyone else. But not more, and certainly not if those additional rights infringe on the rights of the rest of the population.
Yes. Little boys need to be with little boys. It is better for their development. I have always found biology the most awe-inspiring science. I don't understand how people are trying to to turn it into pulp fiction. I get the "why" of why they're trying, but definitely not the how... Biology is the very building blocks we are all based on. 😢
I agree. Scouting is for youngsters who are still developing their sense of self and sense of others, and their understanding of the world. Boy Scouts for boys; Girl Scouts for girls. Therapy for kids who are mixed up or deeply unhappy.
I 100% back the idea that males should be barred from women's locker rooms, toilets, prisons, sports, lesbian dating apps, etc. However, if it's just a general usage social media app like Twitter then I'm a little less sure why women need their own version, and I didn't feel Sall actually gave any valid explanation for that, other than "because you're men"... All I'm saying is if Elon suddenly barred females from Twitter "because they're women" you know it wouldn't go down well, and I have a feeling Sall wouldn't appreciate it either...
I think Sall said that, while still recovering from the sexual harassment in Hollywood, she encountered more sexual harassment while searching online for an apartment in New York, - on websites that would probably be considered "general usage". I think that was why she wanted a platform where women could do everyday things without running into more "Me Too" moments.
What happened is that the photo app did not lie to these people as they force everyone else to lie. It broke the delusion that a man in lipstick is a woman. This lady unwittingly brought reality and accountability to Narcissists who think they have the right to avoid both.
I’m from the states, male and I agree, this trans movement is ridiculous…, men are men and women are women, and no man can become a woman, no mattter what cosmetic changes they go thru. I salute your fight, stand your ground 🫡🤘, please tell me how I can donate to help
Crazy situation - my only beef would be that if someone tried to create the same thing for men only, then it would be the shrieking feminists taking the creator to court. If women are allowed to have their own spaces, then they need to start allowing men to have their own spaces also...
Men have always had their own spaces in things like mens clubs that are brick and mortar. Women were not allowed in but a few years ago feminists started raising a fuss demanding to be let in. Im not sure how that all played out but it was definitely an issue I'm guessing about 20 or 30 years ago. This and every thing else that has Sane people thinking this is Bat Shit Crazy (or liberal) that has changed the last 100 years has all been funded by the Globalists that are trying to break down western society so they can have their New World Order..
Men do need a space like that, if for no other reason than to stop men getting screwed over financially my women, there is a space like this, but it's an unlisted politically incorrect website with a high bar for entry (to stop journalists). When I saw my ex's true colours, the thing I really wanted to know, was "WHY DID NOBODY EVER WARN ME??????" and they didn't because it would misogynistic or such, you just can't have those conversations.
@@wellsorted That's a hookup site only for men seeking men, not the same thing at all as what this lady was producing which was a female only space for all females to discuss everything and anything in a safe space. Watch the video and get up to speed my dude.
@@turbosnowy I'm an actual woman and "all females" does not include pervert men with a sex fetish who get off pretending to be women. The fact you think men have a right to hookup with each other but women don't have a right to speak to each other tells me you are dude.
Yes there should be male only and female only spaces. Sometimes you need to be with your own kind. BSA / GSA , if GSA wasn’t giving the girls the opportunities they wanted , then change GSA not BSA.
Exactly. For context, for those who aren't aware, BSA = Boy Scouts, GSA = Girl Scouts. A decade or so ago, some people weren't happy with how GSA turned young girls into a sales army for the Corporate Cookie Company, so rather than fixing GSA by turning it into a female BSA, they sued to invade the BSA instead. Now both are effectively broken.
what I find funny about this is men aren't allowed by women to have a men's only space so why should women have women only spaces? Until we can have men's only spaces I don't have any sympathy.
The guy (man) causing all this trouble is fighting a biological fact. Sal, you should use the term only a Biological woman should join the App. Fundraiser is a Must - The logical world is with you.
Wait, wait. We had social clubs that were men only and the feminist busted all that up because they weren’t allowed in. I can sympathize with her for having issues with the mentality ill, but shouldn’t be excluding any one, or you will get sued.
100% She is a legit educated Feminist. She knew about all that stuff, & she pushed all that stuff in the first place. Like 20 years ago, I remember the Gay guys crying that they don't want Women in their clubs/bars. They all had to close or allow Women in. All male only spaces were closed 20 years ago!!! All these Feminists celebrated this as a victory. Well, now they are crying. I say, let them suffer. Otherwise they will never learn.
I encourage people to not support a pointless case. Australia only requires affirmation to change gender. The discrimination legislation is clear. People should donate to a cause that isn't already lost.
@@patheticpear2897 Moron. You can pretend you're a particular "Gender" but you cannot change your "sex" This is about recognising sex again like it should be.
It's weird that the concept of discriminating against males is socially acceptable and easily understandable, but discriminating against men pretending to be women is a hate crime.
Men have had their personal spaces progressively eroded over the last century. My opinion is split - part of me says: "go girl!" wheras the remainder says: "how d'ya feel luv?!"
Saddest fucin problem here is that nobody have any respect for other people anymore. Go ahead, make your own trans exclusive support app, become famous and help people, this is fuckin free world! Dont intrude, create!
So glad Sall had the courage to take this on. I really think trans activists had gone overboard . We all have the right to have our own space without having to explain or justify to anyone. Trans women can have their own app, their own club, their own sports competition and leave us born females alone.
I think this is a little bit ridiculous. I'm rather surprised how easily this whole world seemed to suddenly glide in to whatever you say you are you are. The rules seemingly random and arbitrary and they change oftener then I can keep up. Even now open to accepting or at least enduring some who self-identifies another race for example Oli London, an influencer and online content creator from the UK who has had several surgeries so that his altered appearance reflects the Korean female he has identified with before recently de-transitioning (although in 2015 a US woman professor Rachel Dolezal made headlines and click bait in many commentary channels when the former NAACP chapter leader revealed to be a white woman lying about her backstory her parentage and race and although she lost her position teaching black women's studies in Colorado, she hosts a podcast now and her new name is an African word for something she stands for although which country and what belief or object symbolizing it I forgot). I just can't. I mean, people, we're kidding ourselves here probably because we were duped by our smartphones and our social media for the last 15 plus years of hypnotizing Doom scrolling clout chasing pissing contest flexes cringes algorithms, hashtags trigger warnings buzzwords, people being products and brand identities. Sweetwater successful that swim across the cesspool of the internet and society and our species in general always wanting more now and again only bigger and faster. I think the time my brain broke regarding the subject of gender / identity was a few months ago when I was reading comments on another video about Canadian trans woman Jessica Yaniv specifically the part where she had some inappropriate conversations with a minor about menstruation/tampon insertion. "My dad is trans and she's 56 so probably wouldn't still have her periods anyway but my older sister and I are synchronized and usually get our periods in the same-day / day away from each other. Soon after beginning hormones Dad started to say THEY were having mood swings and cramps together. She transitioned a couple years later and my dad's vagina was probably in menopause because her body is not young enough to get periods... " I wish I could find the exact link even though the comment will be erased but I'm drawing a blank I have to run to work. Where I really I'm shopping for groceries that go to strangers houses but maybe you should I identify as a limousine driver, celebrity personal assistant, oh f it I'll just be famous and pretend I'm having a delusion all nightmare that I live in this dystopian world full of contradictory paradoxes where white is black and black and pronouns have become more important than such things as the adjective and noun you choose to word a sentence with. Maybe just speak to the person respectfully because really how often do you have to use a pronoun in the sentence conversationally to the person you're speaking with and why would you be talking about that person anyways just someone else isn't that triangulation according to the tik Tok UA-cam self-diagnosis statistical guide on cancel culture and mental health transgender /virtue signaling subreddit flags of Sub Sub Sub Sub sub alt.binaries.plottwist? Everyone is unique individually exquisitely specially formed/"don't fetishize my disability" (same person different year and friend from our college days revealing that person has an OF doing exactly that only with clothing off and behind the paywall) .... He saw her on a dating app with link to her content if you will.......... Never saw an empty wheelchair receive a lap dance from a nude woman was what he said. Et cetera et cetera I just bought some cat food but I have one who is so super friendly and realized if someone's at the door. Fetches too. I have to buy dog food now right? How do you know when something like that is a thing? Same friend who told me of classmate's OF page regularly uses dating apps and informed me of his observations in the ways that "about me" portion of more than just a few mostly below the age of 30 I mentioning trauma and psych diagnosis on the biographical place! I'm all for fighting stigma but I used to be a counselor and.... That's a cry for help in one way and a red flag in another.. when did it happen that our challenges or our maladies define us or perhaps they got interchanged in the bait and switch shuffling shell game of pronoun and gender and orientation and acronym. I hate it and it's gross. I come from another century and it is beginning to show. Prefer to meet people eye to eye face to face. Little screen hide behind it's birthed a very large problem with our entire human social interaction and should've scared us shitless moments after it began but it didn't and it's insidious for that reason. How do we undo it in time or perhaps we're too late to stop the momentum it has gained towards oblivion. I'm working on a book regarding generational differences in the several generations which I have been interacting with my entire lifetime so somewhere along my research I got an email which summarizes a few of us rather succinctly.... Baby boomers: ☮️ Gen X: 🖕 Millennials : 📶 GenZ: 🙈 Alpha: 📳. Frustrated I'm old I'm f****** frustrated trying to send this I can't even get my phone to figure out because it's 5G it's giving me notifications of stuff I never asked to know about and I really want to bury it all and go into those off the f**** grid and no AI or no virtual BS
I think that there are three factors in this nonsense. First, postmodernism claptrap (1960s). Second, crackpot psychological theories: the New Age (1960’s to present), self-improvement craze (1980’s to present), and child-centered helicopter parenting (1980’s to present). Third, video games in which children can immerse themselves in alternate realities in which they can choose to be anything, choose their own language (pronouns!), and demand to have the powers and rights and fealty of others that they demand. And here we are.
@@pamelaroyce5285 It was the waging of a social revolution which inverted all hierarchies. Now you cry that the revolution won't stop right where it benefitted you. An aggressive band of perverts have adopted your strategy and you have no defense to their tactics.
@@pinchebruha405I am glad for a bit of solidarity there! T.Y.🎈. So, net folks. I'm enlightening you to the fact I've a deeply inconvenient condition called ankylosing spondylitis (rapidly degenerating form of arthritis). Now since it's en vogue to be sharing one's diagnoses (self-administered or otherwise) I'm making my business your own. it's snowing here so I'm stiffer than a day old corpse right now. Absolutely*ossified* this afternoon! Diesel of my bloodstream getting urinated on/into by some matches that strike in the joints. FYI please give me the respect to which I'm entitled now... Take note now from here forward anyone wishing to engage with me or my comments? "Bone🦴Self" Please refer to me by the chose neopronouns that I shared. Anything else and I will be beyond triggered. 📶🐈⬛💨 (When social media society in general it's so crazy 8/I've no words, hence my leaving you with the "emoji cat fart of the online universe."
Yes, this is all about transhumanism, it intends to make us compatible with technology as a closed system heading to the singularity, Google are leading the way with the work of Ray Kurzweil, plus the worlds richest technocrats seeking immortality through technology. The surgeries required to transition also cause human sterility. This all started in the 1940's with the Macy Conferences. We are in the age of posthumanism.
When I was at school, and for centuries before that, sex and gender were the exact same thing in every dictionary definition. Also in languages, words are either gender neutral, or masculine or feminine, Those three categories are all that are required. No need for a plethora of letters as identity labels.
Sooo women can invade male spaces with the full force of the law but but but female spaces? I think they have a word for that and in starts with an h and ends in y
An app that helps women avoid being harassed and bullied by men like the man taking Sall Grover to court! The app sounds like it should be a human right.
I love the life we live in where ... anything can be harassment if a woman endures it. However, men can't be harassed even if women are taking them to court over nothing and lies. Women can sue men for decades if they have a male only space that doesn't let them in. I've seen countless gyms that were for men being sued to let women in where there was a woman's gym next door. However, that's not harrassment ... no.
@@Hethalean To be fair, it's because they are fools. Just look at the OP, "It sounds like it should be a human right". So, RUFeelin wants to make the app creator a slave by declaring the app a human right for women which in turn robs the app creator of their labour. So then the app creator will whine about losing their app's ability to generate a profit. It's like watching a cat chase it's own tail...
I really don't see a male only or white only app being socially accepted. in fact I think women would be mad about a male only app. grindr doesn't exclude women.
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CHAPTERS👇
00:00 Introduction
00:32 Sall Grover’s Background
03:05 The Story Behind Giggle
10:28 The Importance of a Female-Only App
17:59 Will Women Be Judged For Wanting Female-Only Apps?
19:13 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo
20:47 Do We Pretend There is No Difference Between Men & Women?
27:02 Gender Identity in the Law
31:10 Legal Case & Future Expectations
42:40 Why Support for Self-ID is Declining
44:05 Sponsor Message: AG1
45:41 The Need for Changes in the Law
49:03 How Can People Support the Case?
50:07 What's the One Thing We're Not Talking About?
The opposite gender is elbowing their way into your-gender-only spaces? Oh noes! Imagine what that must be like 🙄
What did the feminists think was going to be the end result of spending half-a-century destroying male-only spaces?
The Australian Human Rights Commission should be disbanded!
strange how 0.01% of society can interfere with the other 99,99 % and we let it happen.
No, it's being forced upon us at a rapid rate. People who are not "online" are unaware.
It's like a massive overcorrection to the issue of oppressed minorities. Where did all the utilitarians go? Countries and their governments are supposed to exist for their citizens and the most effective way of doing that is serving the majority.
This is basically the dogma of all Western nations at this point. Don't be surprised when it goes in weird directions.
Yep. Just like the few that rule the many. It's because most people are cowards. They are more scared of what people think about them and say about them. Once you don't care anymore , then you are truly free. I've lost loads of so called friends over the years because I say it how it is. They're all sheep. Baaaaaaa!
To know who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize -Voltaire (possibly)
No, a Man is not a Woman. Should be common sense. But this is how far Social Engineering has taken things, to the level of the Ridiculous. We do indeed need to solve this problem once and for all. The sooner the better. I'll definitely be watching. Bravo.
Do more, let's all contribute to her legal bills.
Welcome to the transhuman world. Started w men being men or women, probably will go further to a kid can be a kid or an adult😱, and somewhere in near future a human can be human or transhuman.
@@JackyPupI hear you. It's a mess.
@@JackyPupWomen persistently must invade mens spaces. They then demand the rules to be changed so they FEEL safe.
The shoe is now on the other foot ... welcome to equality ladies and the world of men
@@877swissmiss - That certainly appears to be the trajectory!!
There's a word for when self identification has no match with reality... it's called dillusion. It should be treated, not affirmed
“dillusion” huh?
I know. It's delusion. English is not my first language, some mispelling is bound to happen.
Nailed it
No, that is NOT what delusion is! there is an aspect of diagnosing a delusion, that is wither or not it is harmful to yourself or would cause you to harm others. It isn't enough that one's perception does not match reality.
@@darrekworkman5595 No, a delusion isn’t based on whether it’s harmful or not lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Great to see, I am an Australian man and I hope she wins, I and many others are sick of this rubbish.
Sorry Mate, your cousins hair dressers mothers Whistle Blowing Government Agency Protected friend said at lunch last month that ...........................................
Keep your head down and watch your kids
Wait, this woman is creating an app that discriminates against men and you are ok with it???? Hahahaha, aussies are fools, hahahaha
Australian women destroyed men's only spaces through legislation and litigation. The monster they have created is now consuming them.
A women's only app is almost certainly illegal as it discriminates on the grounds of sex. The person being transgender is irrelevant to the case. Note that women faught tooth and nail against mens only "spaces" and what goes around comes around.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376You said it better than I ever could
The politicians are to blame. It's crazy that they legislated a law that gives legal protection to an abstract concept such as feelings. Nobody should have any legal protection for claiming to feel like a woman.
But feminists started this when they had laws passed to protect their feelings and inclusion. Play silly games win silly prizes.
Best comment here.
Amen to that
It's NOT the politicians. This is being directed by the UN and WEF. The politicians are only taking their orders.
Not one of these people have ever been able to tell me what it feels like to be a woman or a man. I'm a 42 year old man, but I can't tell you what it feels like to be a man, I can only say what I think makes me a man.
If these people don't have the genitalia of the gender they claim to be, how can they tell me what it feels like to have them in the first place?
A weird aside, I've always wondered what the female orgasm feels like and would love to experience having one because they look more intense than a male version, but I know it is impossible. I could have all sorts of surgeries, but I still wouldn't have a clitoris or G-Spot. The same way a woman can never have a prostate. It seems that all these surgeries are really money-making schemes because all they do is fix a perceived cosmetic issue. Obviously, the WEF effort to depopulate the Earth is worth consideration, too.
Is she crowdfunding her defence against the idiots? If so I'll donate immediately. Long overdue this nonsense is challenged and dealt with. If you are a man and enjoy wearing badly selected ladies clothes and adopting stripper names that's niche. Live your life. Don't expect full access to genuine female space. Get a grip fellas.
Find the giggle crowdfund! It's her own platform so it can't be removed like gofundme
@@marinae7928 They'll get their answer soon enough, but a personality disorder is forever.
Donate in the link in the description. 👍
@@dereksanderson2031lol.
some people cant help themselves lmao
A reminder that Monty Python mocked this ideology in the Life of Brian way back in 1979 when it must have been a fringe idea in even the most radical circles…nearly half a century later and our institutions are actually promoting it…
CS Lewis also saw this coming in the 50s. He was in academia so must have seen it first hand even then.
the rabbit hole you fall down on this subject is pretty scary. But its there if you want to know about it. There was a book written in the 1970s called Transexual Empire by Janice Raymond that is rather critical of the movement. So it was a movement all the way back then.
The jester holds a mirror up to society and allows us to see our stupidity. Uncensored comedy is vital to democracy.
Did Lewis write about that in a book or essay, @@ppepperday2857?
‘…..what’s the point of having The Right to have a baby if you can’t bloody have one…..’
Classic!
It's all utter lunacy... When is it going to end, and how has the world allowed it to happen? We need #Sanity back please!
Sal is amazing. Im just so sorry that she and so many other brilliant women and men have to waste so much of their time, energy, sanity and money on this absolute insanity.
What men? This sexist woman made the app for females only. Can you imagine if a man made a male only app. She'd be the first to complain about patriarchy, se xism and other such nonsense.
I support female only apps and male only golf clubs. People should be allowed to socialize and not socialize with who they choose.
You know the difference though, right? Because I’m crediting you with an analytical faculty.
The reason that golf clubs and private members’ clubs, the Freemasons etc etc were/are men only is because these are places of powerful elitist gatherings which exclude wome, which leads to economic and social discrimination for women to the benefit of men.
Look forward to an essay about where I’m wrong on that.
Women wanting to set up an app to talk about women’s concerns is 100% different. Please encourage men to do the same. God knows med need social and mental support of friendly peers right now.
I have no objection in principle with the idea of men only spaces.
So if there is a genuine example of an equivalent thing happening to a men’s society, send me deets.
Normally I like discussing such topics but since you gave me such a shit attitude, no - talk to yourself.
@@tamdao8396 Start off with an ad hominem attack and then show your hypocrisy. If you have no problem with men only spaces, then you can't complain that 'golf clubs and private members’ clubs, the Freemasons etc etc were/are men only'.
Either there can be men and women only spaces or there can't be, unless you're a hypocrite. Right now there can be women only spaces but not men only spaces. Feminism created this monster by denying men only spaces and by claiming that biology is the only difference between men and women, that male and female is a social construct, thus a surgical sex change results in, hey presto, a real sex change. It also extends, of course, to denying a man who identifies as a woman entrance to a woman’s space as being sexist, thus undoing any ethical defence against this intrusion.
And of course, women only spaces can be used for the accrual of power and influence just as much as men only spaces can. I'll credit you with the analytical faculty to realise this, despite obviously not having considered it before.
@@tamdao8396 Spot on! Thank you.
it is a no go on that chief
If you saw how the Australian government behaved during COVID, you get the sinking feeling that she is doomed.
I did see how they treated you during COVID. Cop's fighting with the public. In the UK we had the odd thing happen but as you say this case could go the wrong way. Need a good female judge.
Yes, but it is increasingly the case that a lot of Aussies see how they have been played during and post covid and are actively engaged in ensuring this will not happen so easily again.
@@rwkh10 You are kidding, right. Women can be the worst wokesters. It was a female High Court justice who decided to release illegal 'stateless' immigrants who had committed serious crimes back into the community.
@@rwkh10 Female judge, especially if they're younger, is more likely to side with the transformer crossdresser.
What happenec to My Body My Choice - this directed at women
I didn't realise until recently the huge potential impact of this case and that it could help influence things much, much wider than Australia if won.
I hope everyone who can donates and helps her win this.
The case has zero impact as it is completely irrelevant. Australia allows affirmation to be the sole determinant of gender, therefore the fight has already been legislated and lost.
@@patheticpear2897
(a) You can't legislate against the constitution
(b) If she is punished, it will wake up a lot of women, and men, and there will be backlash against politicians
@@patheticpear2897 You are yet another person commenting without having watched the video. You're so tiresome and yes, pathetic.
She can't win. Under the equality laws that the women wanted even if she can have him classified as a man she still has to let him on the app as otherwise she will be illegally discriminating on the grounds of sex. Remember they campaigned long and hard to get rid of mens only spaces and the flip side of the coin is no women's spaces either. Its womens fault they didn't think through the consequences.
What's also sad is that justice costs so much money... As a kid you think justice will prevail, and you see those statues of the blindfolded woman statues holding the scales outside of the courtrooms. And then you get older and realize only rich people, or those who have connections or are popular enough to crowdsource money can even just start the fight for it.
Like she has to pay such an insane amount of money, to fight for something that should be the standard of sanity.
That's because the government has everybody's money to spend how they deem is correct, even if common sense says that's wrong.
This is a feature, rather than a bug.
One of the central insights of the bitcoin maximalists is that consensus-building mechanisms in society are organized hierarchically. When the mechanism is expensive, the risk of lying becomes disproportionately costlier than honesty. Therefore, expensive mechanisms are more credible than cheap mechanisms.
Courts are designed to build a consensus of the truth, to the second highest possible standard. This is an expensive process by nature. The first highest possible standard is warfare, which builds a consensus of the balance of power between state-actors by testing their beliefs via experiment. It's known as the Ultima Ratio Regum for a reason.
Justice is a goal that can never be achieved. Do you not understand that you are not just. Think about it do you make the right decision all the time if you think you do you're scaring me.
To make things worse, Sall has to pay her legal fees herself where Mr Tickle has actually be given a grant of $50,000 for the first court hearing (which will determine whether it proceeds to the High Court). That first case will cost Sall $500,000 and Mr Tickle is getting money plus pro bono legal support.
@@johncremeans969 Justice or absolute total justice ?
I feel like I'm living in a dystopia I could never imagine. 10 years ago I would laugh if you told me this would be an issue.
So who else knew *exactly* why the developer of a female-only app would be sued *before* clicking on the video?
I thought it would be for sexual discrimination
@@thewhitefalcon8539 ya, that was my thought.
female-only app
Women won’t allow men-only anything, so it’s somehow satisfying to see that the gender monster that women largely created is now preventing them from having women-only anything either.
@@thewhitefalcon8539
Or harassement :D
If you have to pay $500k for it to be heard we need to bin the word Justice 😢
Yes
How would you do it differently?
The world has gone crazy! As an Australian woman I wish you all the best and admire you for fighting for what you believe in and standing up for all (real) women everywhere.
It is not the world, they are just a few ideologues, a bunch of self serving people that are just trying to get something out of this, and a whole bunch of people that won't or don't have the time to learn this crazy and by desingn obtuse and unaprochable theory and they just hear the acussation "trasphobe" and agree.
If i had a nickel for every time i watch a trans person being called transphobe... and for increasingly stupid reasons too.
So long as you, then in turn, fully support men's only spaces.
Equality, is a two way street.
Wishing well is great l what she needs are Aus $$$.
The crowdfund link is in the description.
Donate to her. She needs practical financial support with those well wishes!
The opposite gender is elbowing their way into your-gender-only spaces? Oh noes! Imagine what that must be like 🙄
And surprise surprise... haven't heard a word of this on mainstream Aussie media
If Roxy Tickle wins, we are doomed in Australia. Praying for Sall Grover & thank you so much for fighting for women’s rights 🙏💕
The world's just going mad. She needs to win this case. Good luck Sall, your fighting this for everyone.
Going?
It already has completely lost the plot.
Great to hear the legal steps India and Russia took this week!
Part of me agrees. The other part of me says, "Women destroyed men's only spaces so they could be part of 'the men'". So since all male only spaces have been destroyed for the sake of women, that part of me says, "Suck it up buttercup."
No, she doesn't need to win this case. Can a man create an app that keeps women out of it???? No, because that man would be hung drawn and quartered by the woke crowd, which she belongs to, btw!!!! Men are seriously the biggest damn fools!!!! hahahaha
@@jeremystonell690bitter and ignorant.
The opposite gender is elbowing their way into your-gender-only spaces? Oh noes! Imagine what that must be like 🙄
I feel so ashamed of myself as I near enough harassed Sall when I was a TRA. I am a 20 year old female and for nearly a decade I was a trans rights activist. From when I was 11 to literally January this year I was A proper liberal feminist (it’s very embarrassing to think back on lol). My feminism is very much now in line with the amazing Julie Bindel who you’ve obviously had on here. I have watched the episode with her at least 4 times over because she’s just so amazing and I agree with everything she says.
But I came here to say I was awful to Sall when I was a TRA. I said horrible things over twitter which she had replied to, and messaged her on different accounts when she blocked me.
When I started questioning trans ideology early this year, I followed salls tweets and I just started to be absolutely obsessed with her I think she’s amazing.
I messaged her a few months back to apologise profusely. I explained everything about the cult like mentality and how being a trans rights activist can make you so nasty and evil and hateful whilst claiming to be the opposite. I told her I had stopped speaking to family members because of it. I took full responsibility however as I know I shouldn’t have got into the 2015 tumblr crowd which basically started all this crap.
She was so lovely to me and forgave me, and told me she’s hopes I have sorted things with my family.
She is such an amazing woman and I will forever feel guilty for how I treated her. These TRAs should be ashamed of themselves, as I am so.
That being said, it really is a cult like mentality. I wish I could go on forever about how it makes you feel and act because it is honestly horrible and depressing but you feel noble and the sense of community you feel is overwhelming in a good way at the time. It preys on vulnerable young people and turns them into nasty little fvckers like I was.
Sall is amazing and I hope giggle gets up and running again soon. I’d love to use it !
You are brave and mature to admit this. Bravo for waking up from the fog of trans delusion. But now there is work to do. You can atone by getting involved -- fighting this evil that is eroding our society at a rapid pace. Talk to other young people who support TR and let them know you once felt the same way but have become enlightened to how harmful it is. You will have a much better chance of getting through to them than anyone else. Good luck to you.
@@longtimelo thank you for the kind words I am slowly but surely getting the courage to reveal my true feelings about all this stuff to the people around me. It’s crazy I have to come out as a TERF though lol. Thank you mate
This is the best post I’ve read in ages… I am so happy to hear, that at such a young age you’ve been able to pull up, question yourself and your own firmly held beliefs, and discover different answers. This must be difficult to do when those immersed in this ideology are your social universe. It’s brave, not so hard for me, almost every woman I know is a TERF to some degree, but for you this is a difficult step. I like that your critical thinking kicked in, even when you were motivated to ignore it. I wish you the best of luck with your family, and your future. X
Don't worry, everyone was stupid and young once.
I used to want to be a lawyer ffs!
Much respect to you.
Its seems like the only human right that matter are those of the mentally ill or derranged.
Here in the States, I've been saying for years that our only right these days is to be a victim. It's utterly insane.
Or anyone who's not white
@@radubradu Certainly seems that way.
but only the right type of mentally ill. most people are suffering in some way but most of it isn't pretty and it's not easy to deal with. while the trans stuff has rainbows and unicorns and is all about "affirming" and celebrating. of course it's got a dark underbelly, but people ignore that (if they didn't ignore it, we wouldn't be here..)
spot on!
I’m an Australian and it makes me mad that the Federal Government are paying his legal fees and any man who says he is a women is protected by the law. I’m pleased this fight has fallen in the hands of this strong, intelligent and articulate woman. I am right behind Sall!
Coming back today after this case has been adjudicated - Sall is going to keep fighting and this is not over. Roxy Tickle is a man.
How is this not harassment and bullying?
I agree its very bad and frightening cause it really is a delusion.
Because the bullies are on the left
It is bullying, but such is the reality of applied Intersectionailty. When a victim group has served its purpose, it is trumped by another victim group. When the Queer and Transgender victim group has run its course, everyone will probably join in and cheer on the fundamentalists.
@@dirkvanschalkwyk1919 What do you mean after it has run its course? They are already cheering for Laden and Hamas and the Q'n (Surah at-Tawba 29 is resistance!)
It absolutely IS bullying. And that's actually a large part of the point. This whole woke, transgender, intersectionality trend has empowered (and created) narcissists, psychopaths and predators to do what they enjoy: and what many of them enjoy is the harassment of others. They literally want a large following to applaud them for their "bravery" while they make the group they target miserable, uncomfortable and to feel unsafe. That's a double win.
Glad you've got Sal. She's super smart & articulate.
Easy on the eye too!
I agree with her, but she’s far from articulate. They asked her the same question 3 times and she couldn’t answer it. Either she didn’t know the answer or didn’t understand the question
If you think she is articulate.... well..
@@michaelharvest931I was under a different impression. She is not articulate all right, but here I thought she avoided the answer she really wanted to give by all means, to not get the guys demonetized, which is " I don't want r*p*sts and perverts on this app, so I'd rather have no men on it".
And a bigot
Truth matters. Women are adult human females and not males. Biological sex matters.
1 Million dollars for the courts to figure out how to have common sense. Pathetic.
This is the same issue we face in the states with male athletes who identify as female and participate in women's sports and dominate every sport they compete against naturally born females.
This suggests a simple solution, if a specific sports league 'for women' allows men to compete then boycott the league. Only compete in leagues that only allow female competitors. If there isn't one in your sport of choice, form a new league.
I am from Mexico and if I can support I will do it. This is madness. It is important to have female only spaces!
Look at the notes for this episode (“more…” next to the title): there is a link for her crowdfunding. Thanks for helping.
The Boy Scouts would like you to donate.
It's occurring in Mexican universities too! You have problems at home and it seems many Mexicans don't realize it's coming there too
@@JACCO20082012 I see what you did there.
I am a man and there is nothing more stupid and boring than listening to or reading women's conversations
so you have to ask yourself what kind of man (and we know it's not a woman) who can listen to that?
I know a few gay men and they find women's conversations boring (if it's not a strictly targeted conversation about what they're interested in)
There is no such thing as an alternate reality where my mother could've got my father pregnant 👍🏼
Why is it so extraordinary that your parents aren't trans?
Funny how no one has problems with trans only spaces. Rules for us but not for them.
Funny how it was fine for a long time to have and keep womens only spaces but get rid of men's only spaces.
@@nobledarkmoon They should still have their own spaces. The problem is things like cigar bars and golfing were ways men could get promotions and women couldn't because they weren't apart of the "boys clubs". Other than financial advancements, I do not understand why women would want to be in your spaces.
@@CyberMachine 1950's in Australia, many bars were men only, tea houses were for women, men were allowed to enter if signed in by a female patron and he is finely dressed.
In the bars men swore and did fight, not a place for a woman due to the roughness of guys winding down.
You can see that dress standards have dissolved over time.
@@CyberMachinethat's a load of bullshit, women just can't mind their own darn business.
@@nobledarkmoon See I agree with all of this. Literally the only exception is when it comes to jobs. And I think this way if the bosses were all females and would only go to a female only spa to discuss promotions. It wouldn't be fair to the male employees.
OMG. She is a true courageous heroine! Thank You for your fight! 🙏
Thank you soooooo much for posting this interview with this beautifully intelligent, strong, cogent, and well grounded, articulate woman, Sall Grover, who is saying everything I've been feeling and milling around in my mind about the utterly atrocious gender insanity afflicting the western world. This is the first time I've ever heard of her but I will be following this case with interest (from Canada, where the sharing of social media new sharing has been censored for some time now!). Please keep up the good work! Warmest best wishes to all of you!
Thanks for bringing Sall on fellas. Looking forward to hearing more.
My friends of 20 years, a couple who are doctors told me the following. They have never treated a biological woman for testicular cancer or prostate cancer. Similarly they have never treated a biological man for cancers of the uterus, Fallopian tubes or performed a hysterectomy.
Your friends sound transphobic. They should try harder.
Ehh these transgenders are going to OBGYNs now.
Have they ever treated an intersex person though?
@@TaiFerret Nothing to do with trans, its a birth defect not a delusion.
when they implant a uterus into a man they'll be treating pregnancies and some m-to-f trans have already said they want a uterus so they can feel the glory of having an abortion. and you know your government will use public funds to pay for all of it! or rather, you will all pay for it collectively.
In US we are supposed to have freedom of association. It gets violated in similar ways as she is experiencing. Our courts are backing those infringements in many areas. Very concerning.
we haven't had freedom of association since the civil rights act of 64
Refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding?
@@hedgefundphil Yeah, once that went in place the place was essentially doomed.
We're these same courts not also ruling in favor of feminists in the 80s when they demanded entry to male only spaces like gyms and clubs?
@@NeverForget1776 I think you and others are confused about the first amendment. It only states that the government can not restrict who you associate/assemble with.
It has nothing to do with guaranteeing businesses the freedom to refuse service to anyone, which is what you're talking about.
Australian female here, just donated and sent the link to all my friends. Would be so great if people from around the world helped by donating and we can this insanity for good!
She would receive 1 000 000 000 USD from normal people and rich people with normal views. The group that is 99.99%.
Its not a human right to use some random app, also what happened to freedom of association, the common law right to refuse service and consent?
These questions are easily answered by an interview of Indian film auteur, Vaishnavi Sundar, who is completing a documentary on trans widows, the ex-wives of men who "think they are female" suddenly. Previews at Lime Soda Films, Behind the Looking Glass, profiling 18 of us. Most of the time, we are silenced.
Where can we find this documentary? And please give the title again.
@@Alipotamus "Dysphoric: Fleeing Womanhood Like a House on Fire" here is part 1 ua-cam.com/video/w8taOdnXD6o/v-deo.html
@@Alipotamus"Transwidows' Stories: Vaishnavi Sundar and Behind The Looking Glass"
Will watch now x
@@joannalambe3661 Thanks! I've profiled dozens (5 dozen) trans widows on my channel, name in the handle here
It wasn’t discussed in this interview but I think it’s important - over the last couple of decades men and boys have lost their single sex spaces to feminist ideals. I remember when we started talking about it in the 90s I thought: if they ban male only spaces they’ll come for women only spaces as well. And they have.
Sal supports men only spaces and claims her suit will move the needle for mens rights as well.
Women might be arrested, and definitely ejected from men's bathrooms and locker rooms if anyone complained.
In the past, the sticking point about some men's only spaces is being shut out professionally. If you work in a traditionally male dominated industry it makes it much more difficult to get to know others working in the industry if you're shut out of clubs.
There are men's only groups though, I see them on google groups. For example for single fathers. There's one called "no more mr nice guy".
Grindr WAS a men's only app, doing its thing without worrying that women would join. After years of operation it never occurred to users that the trans movement would eventually come for them. They thought wrong.
Trans men (women) are signing up on Grindr. They are being rejected organically.
I'm not sure if it's a new thing. Men are signing up to hook up with trans women. They put "no men" in their profile which some gay men find irritating. They are straight-ish bisexuals that are attracted to female looking people.
be grateful that the "so bad feminism" fought for you too to give you the right to vote, the right to an education, the right to participate in the workforce, the right to own property, the right to play sports in the women's section etc etc
But i wasn't invited to a billionaire's party last night. Can i sue? I mean they made me feel left out because I'm poor. I deserve to be included. They shouldn't be able to tell im not a real billionaire and even if they can tell they should pretend they can't tell, otherwise that's discrimination. And it hurts my precious feelings.
I just heard the court didn't rule in your favour! I'm shocked! An appeal must happen! The law needs amending!
She needs medical professionals that can explain Autogynephilia.
As an Australian this case is going to define our country ongoing in many ways. We were a no nonsense Country, I hope she prevails for us, and all Australian WOMEN or we become the unlucky country.
Yes, it's a crucial moment for Oz, a country that seems to have lost its senses in recent years.
I always aspired to live in Australia. Not now! 😭
Brother .....as a person on the planet earth this is a huge issue.....this isn't specific to your country......trust me
We've been the unlucky country for years now. I hope the case might get picked up by media. Sky News is probably the only place that might touch it.
Your country has already passed the point of no return.
You lead the march of wokeness along with Canada
“The state should stay out of people’s brains like this.” YES, Sall. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Best comment so far 🏆
What's amazing to me, is that (first) you need tons of money to achieve your (human) right to defend yourself (in court), and if you fail to do so (or if you're boycotted by funding platforms), you'll never get that right, so it all depends on money and not on who's right or wrong...
I find it so wonderfully appropriate that the case that might just start to restore sanity to clown world is "Tickle vs Giggle". 😮😂
😂😂😂
Solidarity with HER, Sall of course ♀️
Everyday now I just want to scream at the top of my lungs: WTF!!
Me too
The whole point of Mr. Tickle's lawsuit is to dominate women (and to cause a protrusion in the front of his frock). Period.
@@JackyPupthere hasn’t been such a case against Men’s Sheds. The MALE figurehead Barry Golding decided by himself that one day a week the Sheds would be Women’s Sheds. Each remain single sex.
@@JackyPupI don't have an issue with the Men's Shed initiative as I think it's a great thing as different things work for different people.
@@JackyPup Did the women want to share your change rooms? Did they want to undress and shower with your grand son?
Gross and depressing
Rad! Love that you’re interviewing her!!! 🙌🙌🙌❤️❤️❤️
I agree that there should be female spaces/apps only, but she does strike me as a person who would say NO to male spaces/apps only.
What I can't wrap my head around is why ANYONE..ANY ONE ....Would want , or feel the need to, join any anything that didn't want them to be there .....
Predators
Roxanne Tickle is more than welcome to create a trans networking app.
Some people just want to complain, instead of doing anything for themselves. I'm guessing Roxanne is one of these
Exactly!!
They don't want to hang out with other men in dresses. 'Trans lesbians' (aka heterosexual male crossdressers) always want the real thing, like heterosexual men do. Invading female spaces is just part of their fetish, oh sorry, I mean 'gender euphoria'.
@@carpo719 It's worse than you think. It's not just wanting to complain and play the victim, it's truly being obsessed with the sexual high of having other people treat you as a woman. This is sexual, sexual obsession and perversion. Look up the term "autogynephilia" which is the name of this psychiatric syndrome.
You're not suggesting han is a narcissistic attention seeker are you? 😂
Absolutely love her a very strong woman doing what she knows in her soul to be right mad respect🙏
Best of luck to Sal with this and also, thank you Sal for this! I hope you are vindicated! We would all be vindicated. I've just donated.
Female only spaces. Fine. Male only spaces? Get out of here misogynist.
I am with you all the way on this Sall and I hope, for the sake of all humanity that you win this case.
But, also on behalf of all good, decent men I would like to remind everyone about the fact that the new age feminist's have been attacking men only establishments for several years now to the point where men only establishment are now virtually non-existent.
I'm not stating this to take away from you the importance of what you are doing, as I fully support it. But more of a way to explain that it was actually the feminist movement that started all of the banning of gender specific establishments.
Being called transphobic is actually praise.
🎯
So is being called racist. Or indeed any insult the left uses.
I'm a transfinance: a rich guy bourne into a poor man's body. Help me to rectify that, please!
My phobia is forced speech and legislation in service of a denial of reality, not trans people. They should be granted exactly the same rights as anyone else. But not more, and certainly not if those additional rights infringe on the rights of the rest of the population.
@@JoshWiniberg- Very well stated.
Bring back Boy Scouts. Get the girls out.
Yes. Little boys need to be with little boys. It is better for their development. I have always found biology the most awe-inspiring science. I don't understand how people are trying to to turn it into pulp fiction. I get the "why" of why they're trying, but definitely not the how... Biology is the very building blocks we are all based on. 😢
I agree. Scouting is for youngsters who are still developing their sense of self and sense of others, and their understanding of the world. Boy Scouts for boys; Girl Scouts for girls. Therapy for kids who are mixed up or deeply unhappy.
No only woman can have their own spaces
@@Squeegee216 what are grown women doing in the BOY scouts??? 😫
@@kaitlyngault3987 they do what they want ok
This insanity has to end
I 100% back the idea that males should be barred from women's locker rooms, toilets, prisons, sports, lesbian dating apps, etc. However, if it's just a general usage social media app like Twitter then I'm a little less sure why women need their own version, and I didn't feel Sall actually gave any valid explanation for that, other than "because you're men"... All I'm saying is if Elon suddenly barred females from Twitter "because they're women" you know it wouldn't go down well, and I have a feeling Sall wouldn't appreciate it either...
I think Sall said that, while still recovering from the sexual harassment in Hollywood, she encountered more sexual harassment while searching online for an apartment in New York, - on websites that would probably be considered "general usage". I think that was why she wanted a platform where women could do everyday things without running into more "Me Too" moments.
What happened is that the photo app did not lie to these people as they force everyone else to lie. It broke the delusion that a man in lipstick is a woman. This lady unwittingly brought reality and accountability to Narcissists who think they have the right to avoid both.
GOOD ON YOU! keep up the good fight, I will contribute to your legal fight. Some men still want to rule the world!
I’m from the states, male and I agree, this trans movement is ridiculous…, men are men and women are women, and no man can become a woman, no mattter what cosmetic changes they go thru. I salute your fight, stand your ground 🫡🤘, please tell me how I can donate to help
Link is in the description, I believe.
@@terrie6738 ty
I hope she wins the court case all the best to her and her efforts
This kinda show women wat it's like wen women push there way into men spaces like. Girls demanding the right to join the boy scouts
Real men protect real women
…imagine you are working in the courtroom that day and have to announce “enter Tickle VS Giggle”! Only on planet Earth! 😂
And that'll be the most normal part! 😅
If SG needs my support for that million bucks - let me know where to sign up?
Me too!
There is a link in the description.
@@barboglesby2162 There is a link in the description.
Crazy situation - my only beef would be that if someone tried to create the same thing for men only, then it would be the shrieking feminists taking the creator to court. If women are allowed to have their own spaces, then they need to start allowing men to have their own spaces also...
Ever heard of grindr?
Men have always had their own spaces in things like mens clubs that are brick and mortar. Women were not allowed in but a few years ago feminists started raising a fuss demanding to be let in. Im not sure how that all played out but it was definitely an issue I'm guessing about 20 or 30 years ago. This and every thing else that has Sane people thinking this is Bat Shit Crazy (or liberal) that has changed the last 100 years has all been funded by the Globalists that are trying to break down western society so they can have their New World Order..
Men do need a space like that, if for no other reason than to stop men getting screwed over financially my women, there is a space like this, but it's an unlisted politically incorrect website with a high bar for entry (to stop journalists).
When I saw my ex's true colours, the thing I really wanted to know, was "WHY DID NOBODY EVER WARN ME??????" and they didn't because it would misogynistic or such, you just can't have those conversations.
@@wellsorted That's a hookup site only for men seeking men, not the same thing at all as what this lady was producing which was a female only space for all females to discuss everything and anything in a safe space. Watch the video and get up to speed my dude.
@@turbosnowy I'm an actual woman and "all females" does not include pervert men with a sex fetish who get off pretending to be women. The fact you think men have a right to hookup with each other but women don't have a right to speak to each other tells me you are dude.
Donated. Thank you for fighting for all women
Yes there should be male only and female only spaces. Sometimes you need to be with your own kind. BSA / GSA , if GSA wasn’t giving the girls the opportunities they wanted , then change GSA not BSA.
Exactly. For context, for those who aren't aware, BSA = Boy Scouts, GSA = Girl Scouts. A decade or so ago, some people weren't happy with how GSA turned young girls into a sales army for the Corporate Cookie Company, so rather than fixing GSA by turning it into a female BSA, they sued to invade the BSA instead. Now both are effectively broken.
what I find funny about this is men aren't allowed by women to have a men's only space so why should women have women only spaces? Until we can have men's only spaces I don't have any sympathy.
She was clear that she approves of men only spaces. Create one or stop complaining.
@@longtimeloshe was just covering her bases with a throwaway comment.
The guy (man) causing all this trouble is fighting a biological fact. Sal, you should use the term only a Biological woman should join the App. Fundraiser is a Must - The logical world is with you.
Wait, wait. We had social clubs that were men only and the feminist busted all that up because they weren’t allowed in. I can sympathize with her for having issues with the mentality ill, but shouldn’t be excluding any one, or you will get sued.
100%
She is a legit educated Feminist.
She knew about all that stuff, & she pushed all that stuff in the first place.
Like 20 years ago, I remember the Gay guys crying that they don't want Women in their clubs/bars.
They all had to close or allow Women in.
All male only spaces were closed 20 years ago!!!
All these Feminists celebrated this as a victory.
Well, now they are crying.
I say, let them suffer.
Otherwise they will never learn.
What an brilliant woman, i can only say thank you for standing firm ❤
This has come back to bite
feminists on the bum.
If you bothered to listen to Sal you would know she supports men only spaces and claims her suit will move the needle for mens rights as well.
I have just contributed to your campaign and I encourage many others do the same to support this enormously important court case. 🥰🇦🇺
I encourage people to not support a pointless case. Australia only requires affirmation to change gender. The discrimination legislation is clear. People should donate to a cause that isn't already lost.
@@patheticpear2897The law WILL be changed.
@@patheticpear2897 Moron. You can pretend you're a particular "Gender" but you cannot change your "sex" This is about recognising sex again like it should be.
@@patheticpear2897 those are state laws. Case law could still determine protection of sex-based rights.
How can you contribute?
1984?
No, more like "1985, The Next Humiliation."
GOODNESS... it is crazy... I really wish her all the best ❤❤❤
It's ironic how he's called Tickle since that's categorized as a type of abuse utilised by groomers.
I think it’s Giggle
@@JenniferAguiartampa Tickle is the trans-creep suing her.
@@longtimelo Giggle sounds like it's an app to gaslight and be a mean girl.
@@itainteasy Awwwwe, Offended? Be offended🙄🙄
@@megansummersides4255 sorry to gaslight you. 😂 not.
It's weird that the concept of discriminating against males is socially acceptable and easily understandable, but discriminating against men pretending to be women is a hate crime.
Feminists played silly games now they win silly prizes.
😂
I'm looking forward to her 'bipoc only app'
Probably because males tend to be perverts and the opposite can't be said of women
Men have had their personal spaces progressively eroded over the last century. My opinion is split - part of me says: "go girl!" wheras the remainder says: "how d'ya feel luv?!"
Saddest fucin problem here is that nobody have any respect for other people anymore. Go ahead, make your own trans exclusive support app, become famous and help people, this is fuckin free world! Dont intrude, create!
So glad Sall had the courage to take this on. I really think trans activists had gone overboard . We all have the right to have our own space without having to explain or justify to anyone. Trans women can have their own app, their own club, their own sports competition and leave us born females alone.
Totally cool with female only spaces… just as it should be cool for male only spaces
Just woke up and this is what I needed to hear.
I think this is a little bit ridiculous. I'm rather surprised how easily this whole world seemed to suddenly glide in to whatever you say you are you are. The rules seemingly random and arbitrary and they change oftener then I can keep up. Even now open to accepting or at least enduring some who self-identifies another race for example Oli London, an influencer and online content creator from the UK who has had several surgeries so that his altered appearance reflects the Korean female he has identified with before recently de-transitioning (although in 2015 a US woman professor Rachel Dolezal made headlines and click bait in many commentary channels when the former NAACP chapter leader revealed to be a white woman lying about her backstory her parentage and race and although she lost her position teaching black women's studies in Colorado, she hosts a podcast now and her new name is an African word for something she stands for although which country and what belief or object symbolizing it I forgot). I just can't. I mean, people, we're kidding ourselves here probably because we were duped by our smartphones and our social media for the last 15 plus years of hypnotizing Doom scrolling clout chasing pissing contest flexes cringes algorithms, hashtags trigger warnings buzzwords, people being products and brand identities. Sweetwater successful that swim across the cesspool of the internet and society and our species in general always wanting more now and again only bigger and faster. I think the time my brain broke regarding the subject of gender / identity was a few months ago when I was reading comments on another video about Canadian trans woman Jessica Yaniv specifically the part where she had some inappropriate conversations with a minor about menstruation/tampon insertion. "My dad is trans and she's 56 so probably wouldn't still have her periods anyway but my older sister and I are synchronized and usually get our periods in the same-day / day away from each other. Soon after beginning hormones Dad started to say THEY were having mood swings and cramps together. She transitioned a couple years later and my dad's vagina was probably in menopause because her body is not young enough to get periods... " I wish I could find the exact link even though the comment will be erased but I'm drawing a blank I have to run to work. Where I really I'm shopping for groceries that go to strangers houses but maybe you should I identify as a limousine driver, celebrity personal assistant, oh f it I'll just be famous and pretend I'm having a delusion all nightmare that I live in this dystopian world full of contradictory paradoxes where white is black and black and pronouns have become more important than such things as the adjective and noun you choose to word a sentence with. Maybe just speak to the person respectfully because really how often do you have to use a pronoun in the sentence conversationally to the person you're speaking with and why would you be talking about that person anyways just someone else isn't that triangulation according to the tik Tok UA-cam self-diagnosis statistical guide on cancel culture and mental health transgender /virtue signaling subreddit flags of Sub Sub Sub Sub sub alt.binaries.plottwist? Everyone is unique individually exquisitely specially formed/"don't fetishize my disability" (same person different year and friend from our college days revealing that person has an OF doing exactly that only with clothing off and behind the paywall) .... He saw her on a dating app with link to her content if you will.......... Never saw an empty wheelchair receive a lap dance from a nude woman was what he said. Et cetera et cetera I just bought some cat food but I have one who is so super friendly and realized if someone's at the door. Fetches too. I have to buy dog food now right? How do you know when something like that is a thing? Same friend who told me of classmate's OF page regularly uses dating apps and informed me of his observations in the ways that "about me" portion of more than just a few mostly below the age of 30 I mentioning trauma and psych diagnosis on the biographical place! I'm all for fighting stigma but I used to be a counselor and.... That's a cry for help in one way and a red flag in another.. when did it happen that our challenges or our maladies define us or perhaps they got interchanged in the bait and switch shuffling shell game of pronoun and gender and orientation and acronym. I hate it and it's gross. I come from another century and it is beginning to show. Prefer to meet people eye to eye face to face. Little screen hide behind it's birthed a very large problem with our entire human social interaction and should've scared us shitless moments after it began but it didn't and it's insidious for that reason. How do we undo it in time or perhaps we're too late to stop the momentum it has gained towards oblivion. I'm working on a book regarding generational differences in the several generations which I have been interacting with my entire lifetime so somewhere along my research I got an email which summarizes a few of us rather succinctly.... Baby boomers: ☮️
Gen X: 🖕
Millennials : 📶
GenZ: 🙈
Alpha: 📳. Frustrated I'm old I'm f****** frustrated trying to send this I can't even get my phone to figure out because it's 5G it's giving me notifications of stuff I never asked to know about and I really want to bury it all and go into those off the f**** grid and no AI or no virtual BS
I feel you and am you too….wth is going on!
I think that there are three factors in this nonsense. First, postmodernism claptrap (1960s). Second, crackpot psychological theories: the New Age (1960’s to present), self-improvement craze (1980’s to present), and child-centered helicopter parenting (1980’s to present). Third, video games in which children can immerse themselves in alternate realities in which they can choose to be anything, choose their own language (pronouns!), and demand to have the powers and rights and fealty of others that they demand. And here we are.
@@pamelaroyce5285 It was the waging of a social revolution which inverted all hierarchies. Now you cry that the revolution won't stop right where it benefitted you. An aggressive band of perverts have adopted your strategy and you have no defense to their tactics.
@@pinchebruha405I am glad for a bit of solidarity there! T.Y.🎈. So, net folks. I'm enlightening you to the fact I've a deeply inconvenient condition called ankylosing spondylitis (rapidly degenerating form of arthritis). Now since it's en vogue to be sharing one's diagnoses (self-administered or otherwise) I'm making my business your own. it's snowing here so I'm stiffer than a day old corpse right now. Absolutely*ossified* this afternoon! Diesel of my bloodstream getting urinated on/into by some matches that strike in the joints.
FYI please give me the respect to which I'm entitled now... Take note now from here forward anyone wishing to engage with me or my comments?
"Bone🦴Self"
Please refer to me by the chose neopronouns that I shared. Anything else and I will be beyond triggered.
📶🐈⬛💨
(When social media society in general it's so crazy 8/I've no words, hence my leaving you with the "emoji cat fart of the online universe."
Yes, this is all about transhumanism, it intends to make us compatible with technology as a closed system heading to the singularity, Google are leading the way with the work of Ray Kurzweil, plus the worlds richest technocrats seeking immortality through technology. The surgeries required to transition also cause human sterility. This all started in the 1940's with the Macy Conferences. We are in the age of posthumanism.
We used to be a no-nonsense country but we have jumped on the woke bandwagon with both feet. Good luck Sall, you're going to need it.
When I was at school, and for centuries before that, sex and gender were the exact same thing in every dictionary definition. Also in languages, words are either gender neutral, or masculine or feminine, Those three categories are all that are required. No need for a plethora of letters as identity labels.
Sooo women can invade male spaces with the full force of the law but but but female spaces? I think they have a word for that and in starts with an h and ends in y
Sall is literally one of my hero’s - she’s amazing and so articulate. It’s a shame she’s been put through this.
Goodbye reality.
What if there was a men's only app ?
Her and the rest of the feminists would have it shut down as discriminatory. Just like boy scouts, man sheds etc..
Grindr?
A woman's existence melts away fast in this world.
An app that helps women avoid being harassed and bullied by men like the man taking Sall Grover to court!
The app sounds like it should be a human right.
I love the life we live in where ... anything can be harassment if a woman endures it. However, men can't be harassed even if women are taking them to court over nothing and lies. Women can sue men for decades if they have a male only space that doesn't let them in. I've seen countless gyms that were for men being sued to let women in where there was a woman's gym next door. However, that's not harrassment ... no.
Lol right? All the dudes trying to get on there and harass women are literally proving why it needs to exist...
It definitely is a double standard @@Hethalean
@@Hethalean To be fair, it's because they are fools. Just look at the OP, "It sounds like it should be a human right". So, RUFeelin wants to make the app creator a slave by declaring the app a human right for women which in turn robs the app creator of their labour. So then the app creator will whine about losing their app's ability to generate a profit.
It's like watching a cat chase it's own tail...
That's a boys name
I really don't see a male only or white only app being socially accepted. in fact I think women would be mad about a male only app. grindr doesn't exclude women.
No, she advocates for men only spaces as do all conservative women. Get it straight.
That farmers dating site is pretty white lol.