Trans Activist vs Female-Only App - Sall Grover | Maiden Mother Matriarch 51
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- My guest today is Sall Grover, former screenwriter turned app developer, now at the centre of a legal battle titled (I kid you not) Tickle vs. Giggle. Sall explains the background to the case, why it's so important to sex-based rights in Australia, and what is motivating the bizarrely aggressive trans activists who have pursued her through the courts.
01:20 How Sall faced sexual harassment which led her to set up the app Giggle
10:40 How the trans activists cancelled the app
18:02 How to distinguish between men and women on the app
20:20 How Roxie Tickle began infiltrating the app
29:32 The Australian Human Rights Commission representing Tickle and taking Sall Grover to court
37:52 The Australian sex discrimination act
47:02 The autogynaphelia elephant in the room
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Get em Sal!! 🙌🙌
We are with you!! 🌺🌺🌺
I still don't understand how this case is not public knowledge in Australia. I wish Sally all the best, I have donated and will do again if the case keeps going. As a father of 2 young girls this issue has turned from a joke about toasters to what life will be like for them and what rights will any of us have. It sickings me that this man can do this and the media allow it to go under the radar like you should just allow it to grow and be quite about it or your the problem.
Anyone who limits their existence down to gender and that alone, is crying out for help and support to believe in themselves as something more than a fad label
Because Australian media don’t have the balls to touch it. Pun intended.
@@Giannas1096 Actually, most of these men who want to get into women's spaces have balls. They are fully intact, functional, & mostly hetero men who have a fetish of imagining themselves as women. They will sacrifice anyone,- the safety of women, the bodies of children, their wives,- anyone if it will help them get off. Many are misogynists, so if they can make women feel uncomfortable or get a woman punished for not affirming HIM as being a woman, then that's a bonus!! You can see why these men are so dangerous in women's spaces.
I've been watching videos about gender identity ideology, trans demands, & the TQ+ cult on YT channels around the world & how this cult is negatively impacting women, children, & LGB people (not to mention the decent T people who are speaking out against this shit). Sal is getting exposure on YT channels, but most mainstream media, along with academia, schools, medical providers, even science magazines & YT channels have been totally captured by this ideology. I've seen evidence of actual media bias in the U.S. to fit certain narratives of victimization, transphobia, & dividing people into oppressor-oppressed that I don't believe a word American media OR entertainment says about racism, transphobia, Islamophobia, black people, or any of the other disinformation re victimhood narratives they push. My understanding is that in Australia there is a total blackout of any news that doesn't support gender identity ideology & the demands of trans activists (which I must again distinguish from transexuals who had gender dysphoria & sought medical intervention AS ADULTS, are NOT delusional about the reality of their biological sex,- which one actually CAN'T change, but can only make certain cosmetic changes to relieve the gender dysphoria,- & who use the pronouns matching their birth sex instead of gaslighting people into using their "preferred pronouns.") These folks lived peacefully among us for years before this gender identity religion & self-ID shit was forced on society by the TQ+ activists who took over organizations like the ACLU, the National "Women's" Law Center, Stonewall, HRC, & other LGB-founded organizations, teacher's unions, the U.N., NPR (in the U.S.), the Democratic Party, the Biden administration (specifically the Dept. of Education & the most recent Supreme Court Justice), K-12 schools, universities, & countless other captured agencies & non-profits that have become all about the T/gender identity, all the time.
TL;DR - There is a total media blackout in Australia about anything negative about "trans" people, trans ideology, transitioning children, or the impact on the rights & safety of women. Everything reported about trans people must portray them as the most victimized victims who were ever victimized, & as virtuous, oppressed people who just want to pee & anyone saying anything even questioning this narrative or expressing concerns about other populations are called bigots & transphobes. Australian media outlets are either afraid of the trans demands mob, or they are completely ideologically captured.
I donated to Sall.
I did 😊
Transwomen is not allowed to share "space"? Real transsexual women certainly do not belong with the men. (I am not referring to crossdressersnd those who lack moral values.). A transsexual has a female spirit and mind.
I felt a great amount of empathy and sympathy for this woman. I found her comment that men are going to ruin yet another thing she tried to create quite heartbreaking and I’m sorry this is happening to her. ❤
That being said I disagreed when she said it is easy to set up a men’s only space: I can’t think of any men’s only spaces. I can’t think of anywhere where women haven’t got inside and pushed for their rights to insert themselves. Never mind the men’s only clubs in stuffy old London….look at the brothers in Mt Athos who are just trying to pray quietly and without women for spiritual reasons and the fact there’s women determined to invade a monetary that is set in a completely autonomous state. Literally nowhere in the world men can be without women 😂
I have lost the ability to be sympathetic to women wanting women-only spaces because men-only spaces have been completely destroyed, places where men can get together to have brotherhood and support for each other in male ways no longer exist. We men are on our own, so women can just learn to be on their own too. I don't care that women don't function on their own like men can. You women made this mess, now you get to deal with the consequences.
So women are coming into your locker rooms & showers, your rape crisis centers, your domestic violence shelters, & your restrooms? Do they make you feel afraid? I do wonder why in the world (apparently Catholic!) women would insist on praying in a monastery with monks! That makes no sense. There are so many places where men & women can pray together & they could even have a time when women could come use the monastary's chapel when the monks are doing something else. I think it's particularly insensitive to men who have taken vows of celibacy. I would def not support women in that space any more than I would support men in a convent. However, I think you will acknowledge that women are not the same physical threat to men that men are to women.
Other then the amazing work she’s doing, Sal Grover is so beautiful ❤️💯
Really? Her face is too long.
Yep May be some men like long face but I am not into it.
@@grannyannie2948Don't be beastly
Did she just say that women don’t want to go into male spaces?!
The problem of course is that “male spaces” can literally mean like legislative bodies and universities, in theory; anyplace women were historically excluded from, but where women should be allowed in as a matter of civic and economic equality. Whereas “women’s spaces” usually mean locker rooms and spas, where allowing men in is more about permitting them boners at women’s expense than anything else.
The example she gave was more about safety. You can easily make a space unappealing to women. It's nearly impossible to make a space unappealing to men. I don't even like when I have to go into a unisex or men's restroom because men are slobs & it's dirtier than the women's room. What kinds of spaces are you talking about? It depends on the purpose of the space whether a single-sex space is justified. If it has to do with an area in which women have a disadvantage by not being allowed in the space, then there's more justification for opening it to women. In the case of Giggle, however, for what possible purpose would a man want to be on that app for women that is not nefarious? Is he there to talk about being a mom? A sister? A daughter? About female friendships? About issues women face in the workplace? About menstrual cramps, endometriosis, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, or any of the other health issues unique to women? Is he there to meet lesbian women? There's no legitimate reason for him to be there. The whole point of women-only spaces is to keep women SAFE from the kind of men who would invade women's spaces! So his motivations are sus from the beginning. He is driven by some combination of desires to: 1) invade women's spaces; 2) violate women's boundaries; 3) intimidate women; 4) stalk women; and/or 5) get sexual pleasure from having his fantasy that he is a woman affirmed,- because he's an autogynephile & that's his fetish. While men deserve male-only spaces, & there are certainly some crazy women out there, men commit something like 95% of violent crime & an even higher percentage of sex crimes. Also, on average, most men are stronger, bigger, faster, taller, & otherwise have physical advantages over women. So the stakes are not as high for men.
They largely don't. The overwhelming majority of male spaces have no hope of every attracting a woman. Yes, they want to be in a few select clubs, specifically those with prestige. But I go to a jiu jitsu gym, there are no restrictions on women and not only are there not women spontaneously appearing on their own volition, the substantial group of male clientele has been completely unable to recruit women there.
Very good interview/podcast. Her story is unbelievable.
As an Australian woman her story is unbelievable. She's being a hypocrite. Women invaded every male space sixty years ago and continue to this day. Men cannot legally prevent this as discrimination is ilegal. She would know this. I don't see why she deserves special treatment other people don't have.
@@grannyannie2948 because she's a TERF, and double standards for AMABs and AFABs are a core part of the TERF ideology and also Louise's "conservative feminism" ideology, without it they both wouldn`t function. Means regarding TERFs maximum freedom for AFABs and maximum restriction and regulation for AMABs, at least Louise wants different restrictions and regulations for both, but also more for the AMABs..
@@miriamlana833 Where does the YMCA fit into all this?
@@miriamlana833 Could you please explain all those terms? I've never heard those acrinigms.
@@grannyannie2948 thought everyone who comments in an anti-trans-channel knew.😁
TERF: trans exclusionary radical feminist
AMAB: assigned male at birth
AFAB: assigned female at birth
I can't get over "alien of extraordinary abilities" 😂😂
😂😂😂 So good.
The official name for it is the O-1 visa.
We Americans have a way with terminology 😉
Link to her crowdfunder in the notes or a pinned comment, that will help her raise funds.
I design for a living and every product has an ideal customer, there is nothing exclusionary about having a customer strategy, we have cohorts for services all the time. Government services for example have limits, policy drives the triage of what you are applicable for
The argument from governmental support to identify a marginalised group (i.e. "you have the government on your side, you aren't marginalised") is quite ironic considering that it was almost immediately preceded by a discussion of governmental protection for *women* and *women's only spaces*.
Why is I so difficult to have a safe space for men or women???? It is something we should ask? Why where mens safe spaces shut down? Who were they being safe from? Stop ask these questions? Full support for this awesome spirit.
Why it's difficult if easy everything supposed to be open to everyone under our present culture. This sadly ignore the fact that we are equal but different..men for example even after transition have more muscle mass, higher bone density, faster reflexes which means they should not be in woman's sports. Like metoo when it first happed it went too far to one side were people were believing things without proof and Depp vs Amber being a perfect example. This is the normal pattern when things are fuel by emotion and it takes us time to realize there needs to be a middle ground.
As to why they need a safe space that's both simple and sad.
The suicide rate for men is 4 times that of the rate for woman and the reasons are many. Men are taught by culture to be tough and don't show emotions and if they show it around woman they tend to get ripped to sherds. As a woman you know how some woman and be to each other so its not hard to see what happens to a guy.
There is shockling little support for men out there compared to woman and in large part this is do the culture we live in.
There also abuse which tell the Depp vs Amber trail was a lot less widely reported but is now increasing. See though some men well and do hit woman many men are brought up not to and wont. If a woman's abusive but you wont hit back what do you do...police are dismissive of guys saying this, go public and get ridiculed and likely not believed. Depp vs Amber is a perfect example again as he was assumed to be the monster tell we saw her on the stand. The lies and facts not to mention her behavior made it clear who was the monster but the first reaction was it had to be him.
Norah Vincent a journalist went undercover as a man and realized ... "Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together.
Cassie Jaye was very much a feminist before she was challenged to talk to men and realized much the same going so far to make a documentary called the red pill.
So yes there should be safe spaces for both were we can support each other and listen.
More importantly we need to start talking to each other again because that gone right out the window.
Where do I send donations for legal fees? I suspect it’s on it way I hope … this is worldwide … I’ll find it …
You can't help but giggle at a tickle.
Anyone else hear “business dinner with drinks” and think hmmmm that sounds fishy. I guess it could be innocent but sounds like a bad idea
I saw her on triggernometry
😅 I too
You can have men's only spaces really easy? Tell that to the men's clubs that have been sued out of existence.
There are many male only Barbers in Melbourne, Australia
@@nikimagelakis9085 There are male only barbers that exclude trans men, name a couple?
Trans identified females (trans men) tend to pass better than the other way. Especially if wrong-sex hormones have caused beard growth. They wouldn't be clocked as often@@patheticpear2897
The feminist chickens are coming home to roost.
You are right. They are having trouble both ways.
Reminds me of a petulant child who destroys toys to prevent other children playing with them.
Who reminds you of a child destroying toys? I don't want to assume I know about whom you speak. If you mean Sal, it's more like closing a preschool so that a pee-dough-file doesn't play with children. Who's at fault? The children? The people protecting the children? Or the man who wants access to the children?
is there a tax deductible way to donate to this?
Hi Sall! Hi Louise! 💜
16:40
What utter bollocks.
It is very hard to gave a make only space. They were attacked and almost entirely destroyed by the 1990s. Louise rightly points out the Garrick and the like are holding out, but they are few and far between.
As for gyms you get women only, you don't gen gyms banning women. They can discourage women by having a masculine aesthetic but women will still turn up. Occasionally recording, spoiling the experience for everyone.
Her app should be allowed to exist but it is rather rich for her to complain she can't have a female only space then excuse attacks on male only spaces.
It's the lie suggesting that female access to male areas- was only about access to where the big decisions were being made. It may have begun there, but it became a vindictive pursuit, after that, as it always does with these people.
Anyone who records anyone, anywhere, without consent should be banned from the premises. Members deserve privacy, customers deserve privacy, patrons deserve privacy. NO ONE should be taking video of other people without their consent, even if they don't upload it online. Would you feel less violated if a man was recording you?
So you compare "spoiling your experience" w/ women being exposed to voyeurism, exhibitionism, frottage, sexual assault, r*pe, & all the other violence of men against women. Men are on average much larger, stronger, taller, faster, etc. than women & commit 95% of all violent crime. You are exactly like all the T activists who would rather protect men's feels than the actual SAFETY of women.
"You can actually have male only spaces because women will self exclude from them" HA HA HA HA!
Yes as an Australian that's laughable. The first thing, more sixty years ago, feminists did was to invade male only spaces. Including men's only bars, and yes men's toilets. More recently it was discovered that men often became depressed and isolated. To combat this a community group called men's sheds were built where retired men could go to work on group projects using power tools. It didn't take long for women in their 60s and 70s to invade these spaces. Men are powerless by law to prevent this. So why shouldn't women be ?
Sorry for the errors, it won't let me edit. It should be that men became depressed and isolated when they got too old to work.
do women wanna be around you?
@@Kelly-je8gv You'd be surprised! I can't believe it myself.
@@blindtrace7220 is she your parole officer?
Representing Kaytlins with a "y" here 😅
😮😮maybe you should call it a church
❤🔥❤🔥
As a biological man, I have the same responses to this issue as I do when I hear of a case of gender based, biological male on female violence ... Yes, I understand there are mostly two sides to a story, but bro, NO!
I kinda don't care about this lawsuit. Imagine an all male app was made. Which specifically offered jobs-contacts, mentorships, etc. Imagine how fast lawsuits would start flying in. Male clubs were shut down or made co-ed by force of law just because those things MIGHT happen there. This app has them as specifik tags/sections. Bring back single sex spaces for men and I will fight with you no questions asked. But as a man who grew up without a dad, and how this section of the internet speaks about how important it is for kids like I was to have male role models and mentors, sorry but you are so often blind as to who actually took that from us..
Two wrongs don't make a right. Radical feminists that destroyed male-only spaces getting their come-uppance by having to accept male, crossdressing fetishists into women's spaces is kinda vindictive. You have sisters, mothers and daughters right. How would you feel when a 6foot4inch man in high heels enters the bathroom after your mother
@FreedomandMagic So sorry you can't read.. :/
I specifically wrote "that offers jobs contacts and mentorships". I've seen the layout of her app on an earlier interview she did, where I was 100% on her side until they showed the app on screen. It has a tab for community, mommy faqs, etc. Cool. Then tabs for jobs, mentorships etc. The activism and laws banning male only spaces specifically cited the unfair advantage men would get in the job market due to after work socialisation, networking, etc. I want spaces for women only, and men only. I can even swallow a lack of male only spaces with the existence of women only spaces, but when the women only space flies in the face of why male only spaces were erased in the first place, I have an issue. Now.. For your adorable Grindr comment. Just so happens I'm gay, on grindr. Guess what it's full of? Trans women and trans men and non-binary females. They know it's illegal to make a hard rule to ban straights, women, trans men and women. You know what grindr doesn't have? A jobs and mentorships tab. Please be less retarded in the future
@FreedomandMagic So sorry you can't read.. :/
I specifically wrote "that offers jobs contacts and mentorships". I've seen the layout of her app on an earlier interview she did, where I was 100% on her side until they showed the app on screen. It has a tab for community, mommy faqs, etc. Cool. Then tabs for jobs, mentorships etc. The activism and laws banning male only spaces specifically cited the unfair advantage men would get in the job market due to after work socialisation, networking etc. I want spaces for women only, and men only. I can even swallow a lack of male only spaces with the existence of women only spaces, but when the women only space flies in the face of why male only spaces were erased in the first place, I have an issue. Now.. For your adorable Grindr comment. Just so happens I'm gay, on Grindr. Guess what it's full of? Trans women and trans men and non-binary females. They know it's illegal to make a hard rule to ban straights, women, trans men and trans women. You know what grindr doesn't have? A jobs and mentorships tab. Please be less r***rded in the future
@FreedomandMagic So sorry you can't read.. :/
I specifically wrote "that offers jobs contacts and mentorships". I've seen the layout of her app on an earlier interview she did, where I was 100% on her side until they showed the app on screen. It has a tab for community, mommy faqs, etc. Cool. Then tabs for jobs, mentorships etc. The activism and laws banning male only spaces specifically cited the unfair advantage men would get in the job market due to after work socialisation, networking etc. I want spaces for women only, and men only. I can even swallow a lack of male only spaces with the existence of women only spaces, but when the women only space flies in the face of why male only spaces were erased in the first place, I have an issue. Now.. For your adorable Grindr comment. Just so happens I'm gay, on Grindr. Guess what it's full of? Trans women and trans men and non-binary females. They know it's illegal to make a hard rule to ban straights, women, trans men and trans women. You know what grindr doesn't have? A jobs and mentorships tab. Please be less obtuse in the future
My handle is Jules-Is-a-Guy so I stop getting misgendered, due to my girly name, vaguely feminine affable character, and presence sometimes in comment sections where it's mostly female. I'm triggered when ppl get my pronouns wrong, LOL.
Australia is a woke hell hole. My daughter was on a Brisbane homeless FB page just to see what people are doing that can’t find a roof. She was surprised at the posts of seemingly illiterate people. She wrote I miss punctuation, spelling, grammar and language arts. She meant it as a general comment for everywhere on social media. She said she missed Art and culture in life. The administrator responded that her profile was suspended, to take down her comments or it would be taken down and my daughter was given a ban till 11pm on such and such a date. She removed the entire App. She left Australia and moved to Italy
Heh, you had to cut this one off by the point when the UA-cam morons would have started to censor you :/
Men sheds
Men’s clubs were never male only, they we just easy woman only, so not comparable in the slightest.
I mean I think her point that “men’s spaces” are often “the corridors of power” is valid. It’s very different than a man insisting he needs entry to a women’s locker room.
@@KLKosi123 I was explaining this in reply to another comment. Any man who wants to invade women's spaces, violate women's boundaries, & make women feel unsafe is exactly the kind of man sex-segregated spaces are meant to keep away from women! Men don't have the same evolutionary biology-based FEAR of women that women do of men.
I really want to like and believe in her, but I reserve a degree of scepticism regarding someone who named an app aimed at grown women as 'Giggle'. Also, it seems like Sal flip-flopped on this issue at the beginning, trying to play both sides and I think she initially said that transwomen were welcome on her app. I feel bad for her and the stress she's been through though.
Yes, I would be very suspicious and skeptical of most women…she is probably a lying grifter, right! I’m sure she is just looking for a route to fame and interviews, even if it costs her a lot of money. I bet she even hired the trans activist and got him to sue her! I would definitely hold some skepticism, mostly because of the ridiculous name Giggle and because she knew enough the start to let men in, and then banning them would bring her more attention. Giggle giggle giggle…
As an Australian woman I see her as a hypocrite. Since 1960 here feminists have concentrated on invading and outlawing any male spaces. Even a community space for elderly men suffering loneliness and depression. Men are powerless by law to prevent this. I see no reason why her space should be treated differently.
My Australian perspective on her hypocrisy disappeared.
What's wrong with the name? We have loads of online platforms with stupid names, especially dating / social networking platforms. Grindr, Tinder, Scruff, TikTok. Giggle is a good name because people associate it with fun times having a "giggle" with friends.
Omg, how old are you? It’s an app name. what did you say about twitter?
Tickle v giggle me elmo
As far as a practical solution just to end on a positive note, go along with it and allow anyone to get on the application, and then also run up some proper software like a phpBB forum, and import all the members across to that. Then create a private group that's by invitation, and keep the X-rated threads on sections which are hidden from the regular members, and only readable and writable by the chosen few in that invite-only group. I can do it for you in a couple of days for less than half a million Australian dollars cash in advance.
Women wrecked mens spaces so its only fair
Then they only complain when their own actions and initiatives start to impact them!
As a guy, I don't understand this vindictive attitude. It's fetishistic men in dresses that are going into women's spaces. Men's libidos are the biggest driver of trans activism, allied with naive progressives. To not care that your mother, sister and daughter's privacy, dignity and safety are being compromised is a lack of morals
@FreedomandMagicThey didn't, he is a lone wolf for a reason.