delta ray motor upgrade hobbyzone xtreme pro 180 extreme
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Upgraded motors from stock delta ray to "extreme pro 180" motors. They are 180 size. would be awesome if brushless were an option. makes this bird fly faster and more fun! STILL love the SAFE switch so didnt want to lose that function.
Thank you to Bill Morley for the tips on how he did his, I appreciate it! To do this mod you will need some foam safe CA glue, two extreme pro 180 (brushed) motors, a soldering iron, some solder, patience and a steady hand :-) its easy!
motors cost me like $16 each including shipping
Excellent video! Very nice patience with the kiddos as well! I'll be attempting this modification more than likely with my 2 year old hanging out with me. 🤣
by the way, those are brushed motors, brushless is 3 leads
Thanks man this was very helpful. If someone want to remove the gears you can heat them up and they will go off.
You should do a video flying it so we can see if it has any more power to fly and strong headwind first as the stock motors. And as far as turbines go lol they would be way too hot and melt the styrofoam, but there are EDF's which is an electric version of a turbine engine that you could get just need somewhere for the air to go out.
I would love to see someone with turbines. the 180s are a definite improvement. though at full stick it does drain faster. I like to float most of the time so go half stick. There are some pretty rocking delta rays that people have converted to brushless and they are fast!
@cornell Jeffers man I wish knew more about thrones to tell you bc that sounds pretty awesome! I do think that someone on here has done a crazy turbine version if I remember, something 70mph + or something crazy!
nice work bro im soon to pick up mines tomorrow with the stock motor for now though quick thing i thought up after seeing you doing this upgrade do you think some turbine engines can fit on these just a wide thinking for even more speed but i guess there may be too much more configuring to do for that what you think ?
Any updates on how the upgraded DR is running?
Everything still working?
No burnt out motors, fried boards, etc.?
Also, is there any noticeable difference in the motors since one has its polarity switched?
Yep everything for me is still golden. Haven't gotten the nerve to try a higher lipo...haven't gotten a definitive answer how much voltage the board can take...
From all I've read, brushed motors are not reversible. You must buy a matched set of counter-rotating motors... one each CW and CCW. Otherwise, one motor will be damaged. Is this not true?
Ferrari250GTO1962 It apperas all it will do is decrease efficiency, make it run hotter and wear it ou sooner. Still, I think those are all good reasons to buy motors designed to run in opposite directions so you won't have these issues.
While mostly true, most motors are designed (albeit with less efficiency) to run both directions. I don't recall these being offered by the mfr as counter rotating...
Mr. McCabe I just bought a matched counter-rotating set of these exact motors for $28 delivered to my door... and they're due here today. YAY!! :D
Mr. McCabe you dont remembere but I was in your 5th period last year at charter oak
HA! NICE, whats up Norris!
HI Mr. McCabe, sorry to bother you, but I didnt understand if the pinion gear is removed or you just widened up the hole in the propeller to make the pinion gear fit in the propeller. Please excuse my english
The pinioned ended up being out of the way and not a problem so I just left them. Probably a headache to get them off...
Pinion gear was not removed, it was small enough to just stay on under the props, others have chose to remove but without a good tool it's pretty hard...
I didn't have the tool to remove the gear that came on the pinion of the new motors so I just installed it right over the top, worked just fine. If you have a puller, take that little gear off...
+Mr. McCabe Did you find out the size of the drill you used to drill out the prop?
BTW, my comments must seem unappreciative of THIS VERY USEFUL AND HELPFUL VIDEO. I didn't intend them to be. It's just that it's apparently very much better if one replaces the motors as a matched counter-rotating set... Xtreme ESL505 and ESL506. Also, it seems better to remove the pinon gears rather than leave them on. There are some very good instructional videos on youtube regarding how to do that... it's easy.
No worries, some motors, some very high end, do come as matched sets and can make a difference but with most brushed motors like these they are designed to have the ability to run both directions. Matched sets (one cw and one ccw) would run better but most companies do not sell ( including these) their motors as cw, or ccw wound. Other high end racing motors in the rc world are matched but not these 180's, switching the polarity will do just fine.
Mr. McCabe I just bought a matched set of these exact motors for $28 delivered to my door... and they're due here today. YAY!! :D
Ferrari250GTO1962 ...forgot to state these are a matched set of counter-rotating motors.
Great find! At the time when I emailed the company, they only offered the one rotating motor. If they are the same extreme pro 180's I should add a link and update the description on my video...
Mr. McCabe Several sets on eBay last I checked. Search for "xtreme pro 180 a b" or "xtreme esl505 esl506" without the quotes " ".
Great conversion.......are you still using stock esc....think im gonna go for it too :)
Yep stock esc. One of the motors went kaput so I emailed xtreme and they sent me two new motors under warranty!
where did you buy the motors? I can`t find them anywhere. Thanks!
Have you tried to connect your delta ray with 3s (11.1V) battery with original esc?
I have the A and B motors so I don't have to reverse mine, but I need to know which direction does your A motors turn before the mod. You would think they would tell you on the package. BTW great vid! Thanks for sharing!
The motors should both spin TOWARDS the body when installed right. To clarify what looking at the plane from the front, the motor on the right should spin CCW and the left should spin CW
Sorry. When, not "what"
Mr. McCabe Before you modded the motor do you remember which way the prop turned or which motor did you mod? If facing the plane upright, the left or right motor? Also do I have to solder or can I just cut the wires and splice together then tape up with electrical tape?
How did you get around the issue of using a brushed ESC built into the receiver with a brushless motor. Common knowledge you have to use a brushless ESC with a Brushless motor ????
Oh, that may have been misleading. I said that some people have upgraded to brushless but then you have to change esc and all that. Here I only upgraded to a better size 180 motor. This is not brushless...
Maybe it was unclear, I replaced with brushed motors not brushless. You are right if I had gone brushless I would have had to change the esc but wanted to keep the SAFE aspect of flight control while still a novice to flying...
Maybe it was unclear but I did replace with brushed motors. I am still a novice at flying so wanted to keep the SAFE aspect of this plane. But you are right if I had gone brushless which some have, a new esc would be in order...
Would I have to do n e modification with the board or n e thing else?
How are you keeping your props on? Mine keep flying off.
I must be flying more aggressively, because I've lost several sets of props even with CA glue ;)
Hi went to connect my new motors up and when I plug in the battery they run instantly at full throttle ...the controls on the trans have no effect ..do you have an idea? I even went and plugged my old motor back in and it tio ran full throttle...weird
that is wierd, did you mess with the board at all? I didnt touch the board at all, only unsoldered old motors and soldered new ones on. You MAY have contact with the transistors (yellow tabs on new motor) on the motor and the metal casing of the motor or to themselves? Double check. Or your controller may have the trim maxed out? That would be odd, because for the delta ray to inact the SAFE it has to be on level ground for a bit.
I think it burns out the ESC. had the same problem.
fcmstreetfight11 Had the same issue with the engine swap. We have 3 Delta Ray's and the two we converted are now inop. due to the same problem. One of them runs instantly and full throttle the other actually runs the motors normally but when full aileron is applied, the opposite engine will accelerate causing a major aerodynamic situation, e.g. a stall. Tricky to fly even for the Chuck Yeager type. I've been researching the cause but no luck yet. However, the first conversion actually worked well for about 3 flight hours. I believe it's an ESC issue. Most likely some sort of power surge through the system took out some circuit. Wrote Horizon Hobby but no word from them yet. My wife and I thoroughly enjoy flyin the Delta Rays together. I did the mod because the plane seems to find the region of reverse command fairly easily. The 180's alleviated that situation but seemed to burn out the ESC in the process. Instead of replacing the ESC's at $80 a pop, we just replaced the entire plane for $149. Lots of spare parts and lesson learned.
+Kevin Donato I just added the ESL 505 AND 506 matched pair to both of my Delta Rays with no ESC problems.I did find that the ESC has 3 servo outputs very close together. Only two are used for the elevons so it is easy to plug into that third unused connection by mistake as the all 3 have the same type of connection.
when you buy motors dont they turn one way ....can you switch the direction?
Yes, before you final solder just flip the wires I believe on the right motor as you look at the plane from the front. In my case I just wrote with a sharply which way the turned before I started.
It seems every where Ive read its said that flipping the wires on brushed is not good that it will cause problems etc.... but if it works it works...have you flown it is there a difference from stock motors
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good video also
I forgot are you soldering to the circuit board or the motor..Im assuming your leaving the original wires on the board and attaching them to new motors :) sorry this is pretty new to me Ive pretty much only done one thing in my life which lately Ive found limited me in most everything else ...but Im learning
Some motors require a cw and ccw rotational motors, but in this case you they are to swap. I only detached wires at the motors then soldered back to the new motor to make it as easy as possible. It flies like a champ!
if anyone knows where to get the motors or can share me the link of where to get them, that would be great.
The cheapest I found was on eBay....
link to motors
i have made the motor change too. there was no problem to install the new motors but with the original batterys from eflite i cannot give full throttle because the the motors start to interrupt like the battery is empty (voltage warnig).
have anybody some experience with this effect ?
or have i to buy new batteries with an higher maximum c rate too ?
i own thre battery packs.....all full loaded......but all the time stuttering motors.
would be nice if anybody could give me some feedback here.
ps: i have bought my motors in poland because there were sold out on every page i have searched before
It is your battery voltage sagging too low...
I bought two motors but they both spin the same way.
Can I reverse the polarity when soldering on the new leads??
Yep that's what I did. Just make sure in the end they both soon towards the cockpit...
Thank you
Andrew Emerson
Ok they are fitted and run well. I had to take the gear cog off because they were located in a different position to yours.
I found when the gear is removed from the shaft is very smooth. The original motor had a spline assist in keeping prop on. At full power the props flew off the shaft.
They are glueing now so lets see what happens when it is set.
Thanks for the info.
Andrew Emerson Did the glue work out? I had issues with the props flying off of the stock shafts, and I'm hoping to avoid the same problem after I do this upgrade.
+Michael Wright Yes all good now, no problems with the prop flying off.
Nice :)
Does anyone have a setup-file for the DX7? I
how much power can you use to push these 180's?
I am not sure Jeff. I have been tempted to at least try a 3s but am looking for info via hobbyzone's website that says what the ESC will handle. Some people have put brushless and a new ESC on these puppies and they really scoot, but I am still an average flier so havent gone that for yet. Would REALLY be nice to up the juice but keep the original ESC that has the SAVE mode for me to hit in case I get in trouble....which is often. ALthough I have learned the higher you are, the more time you have to recover! If you get info before me, please share...
Yes, I definitely will. I have a 2s 7.4 I think 2000mAh battery coming in the mail and I ordered the EC2 connectors to make it all work with the stock ESC. I'll let you know how that turns out. Right now I'm building an F-16 EDF jet as we speak lol
Why didn't you just pull off the gear and save all the drilling and time?
Didn't have an appropriate puller and didn't want to botch it up by trying, so just worked around it. Worked like a charm.
MR MCCABE!!!!!!!!
Thrones??? Lol turbines is what I meant...
Man, the kids in the background had very little consideration for your video huh?
Right!? My boys are awesome :) LOUD but awesome...
well, here you go ua-cam.com/video/r3x2TfvZk2U/v-deo.html love the sound!