Just a brief guide on keyboard form factors, especially to help out people just looking into getting a mech. I definitely feel that a lot of the consumer market are fixated on full size and TKL boards because the other layouts aren't as well known. Anyway, let me know what form factor you're running!
@@treeleaf6471 weak, you should control everything with the electric signals your brain produces via a copper coil which sends that data through induction into a similar copper coil built into your Mainboard so you dont even need a keyboard
I've been in the keyboard community for nearly 4 years now but I still like watching your more basic/intro type videos just because your production is so good
Personally, I like the 96% because it crams all of the keys together while still allowing all of them to exist. Basically like having a full size without all of the extra gaps in between groupings. I work with numbers fairly often and I can't bear to part with the numpad. Only problem with 96% is that it isn't popular. The market is swamped with 60%/75% keyboards and this form doesn't get a lot of recognition.
Yeah 96% is good, but for a person like me using a tiny desk, I can’t fit a keyboard like that. I much prefer 65%, since it removes all the keys I don’t use anyway, but still includes dedicated arrow keys which is huge for me.
I honestly dont understand why you need the numpad Thats why i like the 75 percent one It has no big gaps nor some useless numpad which just adds buttons you already had
Split space 40% (AMJ40 style) for typing and general day to day. 75% like a KBD75 / Satisfaction75 etc for all rounder + gaming. To me a 40% makes more sense than even a 60% board. 60% board still requires hand movement across the board, but still requiring you to use layers because of the reduced keys. 40% however, there is almost no hand movement as all the keys will be below your hands at all times. Once you get the rhythm down for using your layer keys, it ends up being faster and comfier to type on and hit other keys compared to the 60% as everything is in reach all the time. 75% to me makes the most sense for gaming as you dont have to worry at all about using layers for function row, but cuts off the pointless numpad that can just be changed for a wireless external one that you throw in a drawer when not in use.
Great insight! Always good to hear how other people work, and their processes. Maybe I just need more time trying to use layers and such. Maybe it's just the sort of work I do, that doesn't allow me to easily use such small keyboards.
@@TaeKeyboards I was lucky really. I just took to using layers like a duck to water. I started with a Planck and just instantly got it. The idea of the layer keys next to the space bar meant I could flip between function key and space by just sliding my thumb across. But as I preferred staggered I decided to pick up an AMJ40 off Flashquark (they are currently reduced price on there btw), and with the split space layout to me it's perfect. Right space is space, the left "space" is my main layer function key. I will note that I didn't actually get on with the Vortex Core as it was more cumbersome than using QMK, so definitely recommend building a proper 40% and giving it a try!
I probably should, so that I can be more cultured haha. How do you find it when doing creative work though? I really can’t live without a bunch of dedicated keys.
@@TaeKeyboards For Photoshop or Premiere work that I would do it's no problem. Besides you can always just map key combos to another layer and have a button to toggle layers rather than hold. But yeah if I do want easier access to keys on top level like if I'm gaming, I just stick to the 75%.
Some keyboard will let you use caps lock as a fn key. Then you can make caps lock + IJKL the arrow keys. Once you get used to the arrow keys that way especially for programming you can't go back to normal arrow keys. Arrow keys on capslock + ijkl allows your hand to never leave the home row to move the cursor around which is awesome because moving your hand back and forth is super annoying and inefficient.
If you need to hold the arrow keys for what ever reason, you are kinda sol. BUT... it you just need to tap on them occasionally, the AP2 is amazing. I am very rarely left annoyed at not having them, and also find that I use the tap arrow key feature quite a lot. 65% is solid though. Just throwing out some love for my AP2
When I got into mechanical keyboards I went straight to custom boards because I had some rather specific ideas on what I wanted. Namely a board with kailh heavy burnt orange switches and it should be qmk programmable which basically eliminated all prebuilt options. Although I really wanted a 65%for the arrow keys in the beginning I chose a 60% in the end due to budget constraints and the need for an ISO formfactor which is really hard to get fitting 65% keycap sets for. I still have arrow keys on a bdn9 macropad but I barely use them tbh. I really like my Capslock as a modifier with WASD arrow keys.
If you go ortho, you can set your layers up such that the numpad rests under your left hand. I find this amazingly convenient, personally, as once you're fully used to it you essentially never have to lift your hands to access any keyboard function. With some creative usage of mouse keys mapped to your board and knowledge of your hotkeys, it's possible to virtually eliminate usage of the mouse for non-gaming applications. I find now that something like a Planck has "too many" keys to know what to do with. When you jump off the deep end with QMK and start exploring combos/chords/tapdance/etc, you can reduce your form factor pretty damn far. I find somewhere around 40 keys to be my comfy zone. Any fewer and I have to rely too much on combos for mod keys, and combos can be complicated to organize given the keys you're holding can't be used for their basic functions.
I've gone from full sized to TKL, tried smaller boards but could not get used to them as many tend to deviate from the standard layout. However, TKL is perfect as it allows me to easily touch type on most keyboards, while also maintaining a cleaner deskspace at home without missing any function keys which are important for switching terminals in linux.
After much deliberation and searching, I recently grabbed a Leopold FC750R OE in Grey/Blue with Cherry MX Brown switches (cheers to your reviews on some Leopolds that convinced me). As my first foray into the world of mechanical keyboards I really enjoy it! The TKL form factor is super nice and makes my minimally sized desk feel more spacious without sacrificing my precious function and arrow keys! For the actual keyboard itself: The build quality is phenomenal! It feels sturdy, rigid, and consistent. The keys are beautifully made, and they show off Leopold's history and experience in the industry. The Cherry MX Brown switches seem to be exactly how many people described them! Very middle of the road. Nothing amazing, nothing terrible. They're alright! And if the rest of the keyboard weren't so amazing, perhaps that would bug me, but I think it's a perfect way to get my feet wet and have a solid understanding of what one specific switch feels like (on one specific board) and begin crafting a baseline to compare other keyboards to. Cheers!
I'm using a 40% layout for about half a year now and I can't imagine going back for my everyday primary keyboard. It's amazing to have all the buttons right under the fingers in an ergonomic arrangement.
Using Leopold TKL. Really happy with the size. Mainly for coding. Sometimes I miss the numpad when I use "windows calc" but it's by no means a handicap. I love it. It's the size that fits me best.
I'm using TKL. For a few years now. But I want to switch to 75% with spaces, like the satisfaction keyboard. It's also my favorite kind of layout, both in terms of looks and usability. :)
I want to look into some keyboards even though it's highly likely that I won't need one, I've just been wanting one for months now.. This helps me with my searches in a way. Very helpful video
Small body TKL is perfect for me. Might try a 75 since it retains the all important F Keys, Home/End keys and arrow keys, essential for any coding workflow.
i love 60% because they are equal and that i like, also with anne pro 2 you dont lose anything, the right side alt and print key is used as function keys to activate numbers and the f keys so its good for me
Programmer from the PH here! I find ortholinear 40%s very versatile and convenient to use, quite portable too! Can't live without a numpad, so I had to make a numpad layer. It has been 2 years since I made the switch and I'm still in love with my 40% ortho. Love your content btw!
When I woke up today I didn't know I'd be watching a guide for keyboard form factors. I'm on my way now to find me a 60% keyboard. So yeah, thanks for that, excellent video!
I’m thinking about switching from my 65% keeb to 60% but I really would like to keep arrow keys. Fortunately there’s DZ60 (or GK64) PCBs that allow to combine 60% form-factor and arrow keys simultaneously. It gives a massive customizing opportunities.
I moved from a full sized Corsair Strafe to the 60% Durgod Venus after seeing your review on it and have been loving it so far. I rebound FN1 to Capslock, Capslock to FN1+Shift, and arrow keys to FN1+IJKL and it feels great to use (in my opinion). I'd never go back to full size now, but eventually I may experiment with 65% and 75% boards out of curiosity.
I bought an Anne Pro 2 yesterday and i'm already loving the small and compact form factor. It removes so many useless keys and just frees up so much space on my desk.
40% for gaming is kinda limiting. I used an ortho 40% at home for a year, but switched to a Preonic/50% at home because of it. Still love the 40 at work.
This video helped me decide to downsize to a 75% (keychron k2) from my old massive 100%, and I'm absolutely loving it! My keyboard tray used to feel cramped, now it feels luxuriously spacious. And I don't have to reach quite as far for the arrow keys, to boot. Might be the best $80 I ever spent.
One addition which can be important to some is reprogrammability of keys. I love the VIM-keybindings in my linux setup and it took me some time to adjust to hjkl-movement, but now it is great. except for use with a pok3r-keyboard, where movement is hardcoded to FN+JIKL. of course it still works in applications which support vim-keybindings, but if you must switch to arrows (or the respective key-combo of the keyboard) it sucks big time, since the movement you have trained yourself to quite painstakingly, is just that one keypress off every frigging time
I was always a full size keyboard user but the ergonomics argument is valid and space spacings was much need. Tried 60% and 75% but ended up liking 65% the most. The problem with most 75%, like you noted, is at it feels cramped. I do need the Function row, or just more keys for macros, so looking at “exploded 75%” (75 with separated clusters) keyboards now. Will still keep the 65% for portable use. I also think a separate numpad is better for most people in combination with a 65/75/TKL keyboard. You can have it on the left or right and just get matching keycaps. You can move it out of the way when you don’t need it. Or repurpose it as a macro pad..
I’ve been using a ducky one 2 mini for about a half of a year now, and while I have to agree it’s super awesome, I just can’t seem to live without the keypad, arrows, and f1-f12 keys. It’s hard to get used to
I went from full-size to a HHKB layout. Honestly, it wasn't even that hard to do even with a set of blank keycaps. Interestingly, it taught me to use keyboard shortcuts a lot and really sped everything up. I'm gonna put together a 40% soon, it's gonna be super awesome. Edit: I've built 13 40% keyboards and went off the deep-end. Someone help me.
This is such a good video for explaining the basics. I am going to be building my girlfriend her first custom, and in lieu of spending a bunch of time finding examples of each size myself, I just showed her this. Thanks for this!
@@runehansen3121 I went from full size to TKL to a customizable 60% and 60% is my current favorite. I set Caps Lock as FN and then WASD as arrow keys. It's pretty convenient to me.
@@AndrewNguyen Not having the arrowkeys are not the problem for me so to say :). I just get a feeling like I'm missing something whenever I use a keyboard smaller than 65%.
Your comment near the end about using "the mouse and numpad at the same time." Is one of the reasons why I learnt to use the mouse with my left hand. So as to have my right hand on the numpad, left on mouse. Had, left numpad boards been available years ago, maybe I wouldn't have bothered 🤔.
I never owned a mechanical keyboard, but I'd really like a fullsize but with some weird features. I would really like a left handed numpad, volume dial and wireless connectivity, with an USB C port to charge or switch to wired mode. Probably a combo I'll never see 😔
I use the anne pro 2 as my main but I have this as my side and I actually almost prefer it over the ap2 haha it is really an awesome board, especially for the price.
Nice video. I don't understand the trend toward smaller keyboards, though. I like the full-size 101-key layout with a large bezel all around. This makes it easy to pick up the keyboard to move it around on the desk and also looks and feels more solid.
i wish the left hand board is more popular. i want my board full sized but it does strain my hand, so if it was inverted like that it'll be perfect for me
I use a 65%, but I'm thinking of getting a full-sized keyboard with the num pad on the left. Seems like a dream come true for a left handed person who does a lot with numbers and data.
Im currently running a Ducky One 2 SF with Cherry Reds, first mech and am thoroughly enjoying it. Thinking about trying a 60% kb (ended up not using the arrow keys as much as i thought) and also want wireless so thinking about trying the anne pro v2 next. The customization on the 60% would also be easier to get into methinks
This is a really helpful video. I've just begun my adventure into custom pc hardware, so being able to see what the different keyboard sizes will offer me, was ideal. Incidentally, I'm currently using a 75% logitech keyboard from I think 2016? So I definitely am looking for an update, haha.
You’ve made me purchase one without a numpad. It’s handy for entering a PIN or long string of numbers and I considered it necessary until I thought about how often I actually use them
Yeah, it really depends what you're doing with it ... if you're primarily a gamer, maybe you can get away without them. Too many system functions as well as application functions are often tied to them to get rid of in general for me (F5!), and as a developer they're also used extremely often in IDEs.
@@ryanjay6241 Yep, can't get used to using the FN button, what's worse... computers at work use full size keyboards, I find myself pressing two keys like an idiot instead of the dedicated ones after sort of getting used to my initial mech.
the left hand num pad is a dream for CAD work. the old sidewinder X6, with a detachable num pad that snaps to either side, was brilliant in that regard. bot for every day use, i settled on 75%
David, I'm currently using a hot swappable pcb in an aluminum 60% case. The core is also aluminum so although it's small it's super sturdy. If you can handle the difficulty of accessing certain keys it's awesome. I wouldn't really use it for a primary board though
@@mrsw916 The Core is such a beautiful, smart build, even with DSA (ugh!). I passed mine along after a short experience, though. A 40 should be a natural progression from a 60, but the additional Fn layer keys seem like a challenge rather than an efficiency.
I've been using a full size forever, and until my first mech board. First mech was TKL, nothing special, only $60 or so with Kailh Browns. Then went back to full size. Now I run a 60% HHKB for my gaming computer and a Logitech MX Keys full size for work because of the num pad. And you're absolutely right, having no numpad is great and the mouse is closer so it's also better ergonomically. It led me to start another keeb build that has a separate numpad so that I can bring my mouse closer and still have the numpad wherever I like but I think left size pads should be more popular because that is the best of both worlds. Note: I think split keebs for ergonomics are also great for games that only need half the board like League.
Personal experience: if you like playing older games (from 1990's or early 2000's) and/or like to play with your friends on a single computer at the same time, getting a keyboard with dedicated arrow keys (and preferably a numpad) is strongly recommended. It can also help while playing a game that utilizes a lot of different keybinds. That's why I'm staying at 100% (or more since I like to have a few dedicated macro buttons).
I made my own custom 60% board but, a 65% would make more sense since dedicated arrow keys would help alot with terminal stuff. 60% is a good starting point though since many parts are available easier then for 65% etc...
I know this is a really old comment, but have you tried using a key like caps lock and hjkl or ijkl for arrow keys? I personally prefer it over using arrow keys just because there isn't a full hand movement whenever I want to go to my arrow keys.
@@franticnine6885 on my 60% I have a split space so the fn key is inbetween two spaces, and my arrow keys are just jkl; and I don't understand why don't more people use a similar setup
Been rocking the Iris (60% | 58 keys) lately with the numpad on a second layer. Combined with touch typing and the Colemak layout, it's hard to imagine ever going back to a "normal" keyboard. But be warned: it takes some getting used to!
My absolute favorite is the 65% layout, it contains everything I need and skips everything I barely use. I am an ISO user as well and I am currently using a Keychron K6, which checks all the boxes for me.
If u haven't done it yet, do it. It was the best decision of my gaming life. More mouse space, a bunch of good options and you still have dedicated arrow keys.
Full size gang right here. I'll live with the bulkiness. Don't you take my number pad with the giant 0 key away from me. I don't know why I need it for home use, since I'm not bringing any mechanical board into the office, but it's a matter of principle.
I struggle because I love the small form factor of a keyboard without a number pad, but I need one for my design work at home. I wonder if I should just keep a separate number pad handy for the times that I am doing work.
I worked for several years as an accountant. Not having a dedicated number pad seems unbelievably impractical from my experience but I barely use it in my free time. I love doing stats at home for random things but I really don't use it as much. I am still undecided on which size to choose. I don't play games, I prefer watching others play.
For about 2 years I’ve been using the razer cynosa chroma but last week my keys stop working it was a full sized keyboard now I’ve bought the apex pro tkl and I’m telling you mechanical keyboards are so much better and a tkl is so helpfull
I found the coolest thing recently. A tight clustered (4mm spacing and bezels) TKL with a slightly reduced numpad instead of the nav keys (nav keys on a different layer, you can also perma-change their mode via FN and hitting backspace which activates the num lock and switches the numpad between modes) It's called a HAVIT KB487L. Really crazy that it comes with PBT keycaps, too. Though it DOES have Jixian red switches, the stabilizers are pretty damn good. There's also an RGB version with pudding keycaps callled the KB851L, but it's much harder to find, apparently. My point is, that I think this is the ideal layout if you're not gonna go straight up with a 60% or smaller. I dub it an "85%" and I wish that it was available for the custom market, because unless I fall in love with an ortho 50% or end up trying and liking an ortho 40% (or do an ortho 75%, which fits in a 60% case but uses all 1U keycaps) then I'm pretty sure that this layout of KB is my "endgame"
I use a tkl, and it's honestly the best choice for me since not only does it have a clean design that doesn't feel squished, but I need the command keys for certain programs
@@auradrifter7779 Hm, it's difficult to even name situations. I use F keys in the games I play + quite a lot of shortcuts and navigation. It's like I don't know what I'm missing 'till I don't have it. I had Magicforce 68 for a few days and I was miserable without function keys. Sometimes layers are good enough, but not all the time.
@@auradrifter7779 To be honest, I use keypad a lot. I often have to write numbers, and it is so satasfying to write on it. About the function keys, I use del a lot, because you can delete something that is in front of your cursor. Also home, end are pretty useful. Print screen is, I think, My most used button on here after del. Others I would personally cut off. They are not effective at all. Also insert has a place when programming.
TKL all the way. Tried to work with a 60% - but due to work and general habits, it's simply difficult when you have to press even simple F key combos e.g. Ctrl+F5, not to mention that navigating with Ctrl+Arrows for quick move from one word/keyword to the next/prev is simply a godsend.
Replaced a broken full sized keyboard in a hurry with a 65%. Been using it for a year and finally realised I don't like it. Can't wait for my new keyboard to arrive. It's my first mechanical and oh how I've missed all that extra functionallity.
Just a brief guide on keyboard form factors, especially to help out people just looking into getting a mech. I definitely feel that a lot of the consumer market are fixated on full size and TKL boards because the other layouts aren't as well known. Anyway, let me know what form factor you're running!
HHKB gang, attack!
TaeKeyboards Im running a Leopold FC750R PD Cherry MX Blue, it’s a TKL and I could be happier.
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I'm using a TKL right now but I'm really keen on moving to a 65% later. It's just that I'll have to sacrifice function keys for that..
I must have Alzheimer's cause i cant remember who the fuck asked.
Personally I have a two key keyboard and just input everything into binary. My keyboard can only do 1 and 0!
weak, you should use one key for 1 and 0 on different layers and the other key for switching between your layers
@@azerXP weak you should plug in a usb stick in your brain and control everything from there to your computer
@@mihirachyuta7272 weak, you should use wireless. USB is a thing of the past. Noob.
@@treeleaf6471 weak, you should control everything with the electric signals your brain produces via a copper coil which sends that data through induction into a similar copper coil built into your Mainboard so you dont even need a keyboard
@@blyaticon8190 weak, you shouldn't even use your brain in the first place.
UA-cam recommended me a cute custom keyboard video and then punted me down this rabbit hole.
That's what happened with me, I was just trying to find a good keyboard and now I'm becoming a keyboard person
I thought I was alone
Same bros lol
Yup just wanting to find a new keyboard and all of a sudden I'm in the vortex
I am here cuz my student ass ig getting bad cramps from typing on lappy :(
I've been in the keyboard community for nearly 4 years now but I still like watching your more basic/intro type videos just because your production is so good
Falco hi kakashi
I just use 2 mouses for the same reason.
Fh
Personally, I like the 96% because it crams all of the keys together while still allowing all of them to exist. Basically like having a full size without all of the extra gaps in between groupings. I work with numbers fairly often and I can't bear to part with the numpad.
Only problem with 96% is that it isn't popular. The market is swamped with 60%/75% keyboards and this form doesn't get a lot of recognition.
Yeah 96% is good, but for a person like me using a tiny desk, I can’t fit a keyboard like that. I much prefer 65%, since it removes all the keys I don’t use anyway, but still includes dedicated arrow keys which is huge for me.
Yup, 96% is great but since im a minimalist, I prefer 65 percent or the 60 percent.
I honestly dont understand why you need the numpad
Thats why i like the 75 percent one
It has no big gaps nor some useless numpad which just adds buttons you already had
@@xrets numpad is mostly used by engineers who do a lot of work related to numbers
@@ddc171 ok true i didnt think about them
Top quality editing, as usual.
Why no replies
Moldavian Mapper ikr
Yes maybe
didnt ask mate
02:30 - *The Reve Festival: Finale*
i see youre a man of culture as well
In Red Velvet we trust.
Since I’m a student studying accounting and business management.. imma need that 10 key. 100% for me
If you're studying accounting you probably know exactly how much money one should spend on mechanical keyboards: none.
@Gameco I was making a sardonic comment.
I have a 100% but l also love having dedicated media keys and a volume rocker. 👌
Split space 40% (AMJ40 style) for typing and general day to day. 75% like a KBD75 / Satisfaction75 etc for all rounder + gaming.
To me a 40% makes more sense than even a 60% board. 60% board still requires hand movement across the board, but still requiring you to use layers because of the reduced keys. 40% however, there is almost no hand movement as all the keys will be below your hands at all times. Once you get the rhythm down for using your layer keys, it ends up being faster and comfier to type on and hit other keys compared to the 60% as everything is in reach all the time.
75% to me makes the most sense for gaming as you dont have to worry at all about using layers for function row, but cuts off the pointless numpad that can just be changed for a wireless external one that you throw in a drawer when not in use.
Great insight! Always good to hear how other people work, and their processes.
Maybe I just need more time trying to use layers and such. Maybe it's just the sort of work I do, that doesn't allow me to easily use such small keyboards.
@@TaeKeyboards I was lucky really. I just took to using layers like a duck to water. I started with a Planck and just instantly got it. The idea of the layer keys next to the space bar meant I could flip between function key and space by just sliding my thumb across. But as I preferred staggered I decided to pick up an AMJ40 off Flashquark (they are currently reduced price on there btw), and with the split space layout to me it's perfect. Right space is space, the left "space" is my main layer function key. I will note that I didn't actually get on with the Vortex Core as it was more cumbersome than using QMK, so definitely recommend building a proper 40% and giving it a try!
If you're curious, here's my layout on my AMJ40 www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/ea18b43d935a641d062360e686e1cdf8
I probably should, so that I can be more cultured haha. How do you find it when doing creative work though? I really can’t live without a bunch of dedicated keys.
@@TaeKeyboards For Photoshop or Premiere work that I would do it's no problem. Besides you can always just map key combos to another layer and have a button to toggle layers rather than hold.
But yeah if I do want easier access to keys on top level like if I'm gaming, I just stick to the 75%.
I recently got a TKL keyboard after only ever having used the full layout, and I'm so relieved to have that numpad off my mouse space.
"allows you to use the numpad and mouse simultaneously"
*laughs in left hand*
;(((((
a lot more ergonomic mice for right handers tho
*doesn't laugh in lefty who uses mouse right handed*
I've been trying to build a lefty or left numpad mech keyboar, can anyone give me any directions? can't find a single PCB that match it...
@@nicolasarmando778 You may just be better off buying a separate mechanical numpad then placing it to the left of your keyboard.
I like 60% since it forces me to use hjkl when I'm in VIM to navigate instead of arrow keys.
65% percent for me, you can take my arrow keys from my cold dead hands!
lollll
Some keyboard will let you use caps lock as a fn key. Then you can make caps lock + IJKL the arrow keys. Once you get used to the arrow keys that way especially for programming you can't go back to normal arrow keys. Arrow keys on capslock + ijkl allows your hand to never leave the home row to move the cursor around which is awesome because moving your hand back and forth is super annoying and inefficient.
If you need to hold the arrow keys for what ever reason, you are kinda sol. BUT... it you just need to tap on them occasionally, the AP2 is amazing. I am very rarely left annoyed at not having them, and also find that I use the tap arrow key feature quite a lot. 65% is solid though. Just throwing out some love for my AP2
When I got into mechanical keyboards I went straight to custom boards because I had some rather specific ideas on what I wanted. Namely a board with kailh heavy burnt orange switches and it should be qmk programmable which basically eliminated all prebuilt options. Although I really wanted a 65%for the arrow keys in the beginning I chose a 60% in the end due to budget constraints and the need for an ISO formfactor which is really hard to get fitting 65% keycap sets for. I still have arrow keys on a bdn9 macropad but I barely use them tbh. I really like my Capslock as a modifier with WASD arrow keys.
meh they are over rated.
If you go ortho, you can set your layers up such that the numpad rests under your left hand. I find this amazingly convenient, personally, as once you're fully used to it you essentially never have to lift your hands to access any keyboard function. With some creative usage of mouse keys mapped to your board and knowledge of your hotkeys, it's possible to virtually eliminate usage of the mouse for non-gaming applications. I find now that something like a Planck has "too many" keys to know what to do with. When you jump off the deep end with QMK and start exploring combos/chords/tapdance/etc, you can reduce your form factor pretty damn far. I find somewhere around 40 keys to be my comfy zone. Any fewer and I have to rely too much on combos for mod keys, and combos can be complicated to organize given the keys you're holding can't be used for their basic functions.
I've gone from full sized to TKL, tried smaller boards but could not get used to them as many tend to deviate from the standard layout. However, TKL is perfect as it allows me to easily touch type on most keyboards, while also maintaining a cleaner deskspace at home without missing any function keys which are important for switching terminals in linux.
After much deliberation and searching, I recently grabbed a Leopold FC750R OE in Grey/Blue with Cherry MX Brown switches (cheers to your reviews on some Leopolds that convinced me). As my first foray into the world of mechanical keyboards I really enjoy it! The TKL form factor is super nice and makes my minimally sized desk feel more spacious without sacrificing my precious function and arrow keys!
For the actual keyboard itself: The build quality is phenomenal! It feels sturdy, rigid, and consistent. The keys are beautifully made, and they show off Leopold's history and experience in the industry. The Cherry MX Brown switches seem to be exactly how many people described them! Very middle of the road. Nothing amazing, nothing terrible. They're alright! And if the rest of the keyboard weren't so amazing, perhaps that would bug me, but I think it's a perfect way to get my feet wet and have a solid understanding of what one specific switch feels like (on one specific board) and begin crafting a baseline to compare other keyboards to. Cheers!
I'm using a 40% layout for about half a year now and I can't imagine going back for my everyday primary keyboard. It's amazing to have all the buttons right under the fingers in an ergonomic arrangement.
Using Leopold TKL. Really happy with the size. Mainly for coding. Sometimes I miss the numpad when I use "windows calc" but it's by no means a handicap. I love it. It's the size that fits me best.
I'd do away with the num row before the num pad. I almost always use it for special charecters and not numbers.
At my work most of the typing is num pad, only use the number row for password symbols.
2:29 STAN RED VELVET!!!
I'm using TKL. For a few years now. But I want to switch to 75% with spaces, like the satisfaction keyboard. It's also my favorite kind of layout, both in terms of looks and usability. :)
I want to look into some keyboards even though it's highly likely that I won't need one, I've just been wanting one for months now.. This helps me with my searches in a way. Very helpful video
2:22 i see you, lowkey calling them 'psychos' haha
Small body TKL is perfect for me. Might try a 75 since it retains the all important F Keys, Home/End keys and arrow keys, essential for any coding workflow.
i love 60% because they are equal and that i like, also with anne pro 2 you dont lose anything, the right side alt and print key is used as function keys to activate numbers and the f keys so its good for me
Programmer from the PH here! I find ortholinear 40%s very versatile and convenient to use, quite portable too! Can't live without a numpad, so I had to make a numpad layer. It has been 2 years since I made the switch and I'm still in love with my 40% ortho. Love your content btw!
I wish 1800 / 96% boards are supported more often. End up using 75% keyboard with stand-alone numpad.
When I woke up today I didn't know I'd be watching a guide for keyboard form factors.
I'm on my way now to find me a 60% keyboard.
So yeah, thanks for that, excellent video!
I’m thinking about switching from my 65% keeb to 60% but I really would like to keep arrow keys. Fortunately there’s DZ60 (or GK64) PCBs that allow to combine 60% form-factor and arrow keys simultaneously. It gives a massive customizing opportunities.
Full size keyboards are my personal favorite, since I use the numpad for extra keybinds.
The smallest I would be willing to use is a 60% keyboard.
I moved from a full sized Corsair Strafe to the 60% Durgod Venus after seeing your review on it and have been loving it so far. I rebound FN1 to Capslock, Capslock to FN1+Shift, and arrow keys to FN1+IJKL and it feels great to use (in my opinion). I'd never go back to full size now, but eventually I may experiment with 65% and 75% boards out of curiosity.
Caps lock + IJKL for arrow keys is a game changer especially for programming or any text editing work.
This guide is so underrated.
Well I think My IBM Model M is like a 150% :) It's massive!
144 key? My model M is only 101 key.
That's what she said
@@jbgreen27 probably the 122 key model M terminal keyboard/battle cruiser
I bought an Anne Pro 2 yesterday and i'm already loving the small and compact form factor. It removes so many useless keys and just frees up so much space on my desk.
I daily drive a full size but I'm going to build my first custom 40% soon, mainly for gaming
same and i want to know if i'll be able to use it lmao
40% for gaming is kinda limiting. I used an ortho 40% at home for a year, but switched to a Preonic/50% at home because of it. Still love the 40 at work.
what games do you play? depending on what games you like i would suggest a 60 percent if you need number keys
bit of a jump lol
40% aren't good for gaming at all. I would highly recommend a 60% if you want a useable layout for gaming.
This video helped me decide to downsize to a 75% (keychron k2) from my old massive 100%, and I'm absolutely loving it! My keyboard tray used to feel cramped, now it feels luxuriously spacious. And I don't have to reach quite as far for the arrow keys, to boot. Might be the best $80 I ever spent.
One addition which can be important to some is reprogrammability of keys. I love the VIM-keybindings in my linux setup and it took me some time to adjust to hjkl-movement, but now it is great. except for use with a pok3r-keyboard, where movement is hardcoded to FN+JIKL. of course it still works in applications which support vim-keybindings, but if you must switch to arrows (or the respective key-combo of the keyboard) it sucks big time, since the movement you have trained yourself to quite painstakingly, is just that one keypress off every frigging time
Hate how rare and time consuming some parts are to purchase to build your own. I’m so impatient but you have a new sub!
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I was always a full size keyboard user but the ergonomics argument is valid and space spacings was much need. Tried 60% and 75% but ended up liking 65% the most. The problem with most 75%, like you noted, is at it feels cramped. I do need the Function row, or just more keys for macros, so looking at “exploded 75%” (75 with separated clusters) keyboards now. Will still keep the 65% for portable use.
I also think a separate numpad is better for most people in combination with a 65/75/TKL keyboard. You can have it on the left or right and just get matching keycaps. You can move it out of the way when you don’t need it. Or repurpose it as a macro pad..
Started with a full. Then I went to a 60%. 60% was a little too small for me, so about a year later I bought a TKL.
I’ve been using a ducky one 2 mini for about a half of a year now, and while I have to agree it’s super awesome, I just can’t seem to live without the keypad, arrows, and f1-f12 keys. It’s hard to get used to
65% + separate numpad is really the optimal layout for me. I also put my numpad on the left side of my keyboard if I'm using it.
very nice!
with the ANNE PRO 2 you can use the bottom right keys as arrow keys when you tab them and I love that.
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Instant subscribe. I’ve been searching for a video like this for 3 weeks. Now off to learn more about keyboards.
I went from full-size to a HHKB layout. Honestly, it wasn't even that hard to do even with a set of blank keycaps. Interestingly, it taught me to use keyboard shortcuts a lot and really sped everything up. I'm gonna put together a 40% soon, it's gonna be super awesome.
Edit: I've built 13 40% keyboards and went off the deep-end. Someone help me.
i can't. i have chosen the dark side. i have now a 40%.
This is such a good video for explaining the basics. I am going to be building my girlfriend her first custom, and in lieu of spending a bunch of time finding examples of each size myself, I just showed her this. Thanks for this!
60% for me and honestly I dont think I can go back to anything bigger lol I love the space it gives me along with the aesthetic side of it
Same! but i tend to like the 65% more mostly because i cant live without arrowkeys
@@runehansen3121 I went from full size to TKL to a customizable 60% and 60% is my current favorite. I set Caps Lock as FN and then WASD as arrow keys. It's pretty convenient to me.
@@AndrewNguyen Not having the arrowkeys are not the problem for me so to say :). I just get a feeling like I'm missing something whenever I use a keyboard smaller than 65%.
rune hansen haha I feel that! I have a 65% as my back up so I totally get it 👍🏽
Is it hard to type on there cause you remove the backspace button.
Your comment near the end about using "the mouse and numpad at the same time." Is one of the reasons why I learnt to use the mouse with my left hand. So as to have my right hand on the numpad, left on mouse.
Had, left numpad boards been available years ago, maybe I wouldn't have bothered 🤔.
I started with a TKL, went to a 75%, and recently just got a 60%. I still use the TKL as my work kb, because well it recently got lubed nk creams
I never owned a mechanical keyboard, but I'd really like a fullsize but with some weird features. I would really like a left handed numpad, volume dial and wireless connectivity, with an USB C port to charge or switch to wired mode. Probably a combo I'll never see 😔
I think the drevo calibur v2 is the perfect fit for me, it has everything I need, so I guess i need to save up a bit
I just got one, it’s awesome really comfy and the RGB is nice
@@phantomtoast5747 Yea I love that keyboard, it's my dream keyboard when you do some mods to it
I use the anne pro 2 as my main but I have this as my side and I actually almost prefer it over the ap2 haha it is really an awesome board, especially for the price.
Nice video. I don't understand the trend toward smaller keyboards, though. I like the full-size 101-key layout with a large bezel all around. This makes it easy to pick up the keyboard to move it around on the desk and also looks and feels more solid.
i wish the left hand board is more popular. i want my board full sized but it does strain my hand, so if it was inverted like that it'll be perfect for me
100% for me, but i wouldn't mind changing for a tkl + an external numpad
I’ve got an Razer Cynosa Pro, a full sized keyboard, but I’m getting an Anne Pro 2 soon, I would love to do an minimalist setup 👌🏾
same but i’m getting the ducky one 2 mini
Same, ordered Anne yesterday
Y'all lucky...
I’m ordering my rk61 and g305 and my new glorious 3xl along with a wireless headset for an ultra minimalist setup
Neil Noice!
I use a 65%, but I'm thinking of getting a full-sized keyboard with the num pad on the left. Seems like a dream come true for a left handed person who does a lot with numbers and data.
Im currently running a Ducky One 2 SF with Cherry Reds, first mech and am thoroughly enjoying it. Thinking about trying a 60% kb (ended up not using the arrow keys as much as i thought) and also want wireless so thinking about trying the anne pro v2 next. The customization on the 60% would also be easier to get into methinks
Not planning on buying a mechanical keyboard, don't really need it, but this is a great video ! Very well made, Op you should be proud!
I really don’t like 100% keyboards but if I had that 100% keyboard I’d live with it
This is a really helpful video. I've just begun my adventure into custom pc hardware, so being able to see what the different keyboard sizes will offer me, was ideal. Incidentally, I'm currently using a 75% logitech keyboard from I think 2016? So I definitely am looking for an update, haha.
lmao, imagine having to move your hand to reach a key
this post was made by the 1% gang 😎
SaSa what about 10%
@@OliverKane3582 lmao, imagine knwwign hw ot typ
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God I love this thread so much
@@resortia3570 (numpad gang)
@@CigLivery Imagine having fingers to type.
This was mad by the nose typing gang.😎😎😎😎
You’ve made me purchase one without a numpad. It’s handy for entering a PIN or long string of numbers and I considered it necessary until I thought about how often I actually use them
I love my 40% keebs. Since I use my mech for writing, I don’t need the numpads and other stuff. Plus, it’s more portable 😀
Great video! Answered all my questions about keyboard size, thank you!
I usually would recommend TKL. I realised the importance of dedicated Function keys after not having them on my first custom mech.
Yeah, it really depends what you're doing with it ... if you're primarily a gamer, maybe you can get away without them. Too many system functions as well as application functions are often tied to them to get rid of in general for me (F5!), and as a developer they're also used extremely often in IDEs.
@@ryanjay6241 Yep, can't get used to using the FN button, what's worse... computers at work use full size keyboards, I find myself pressing two keys like an idiot instead of the dedicated ones after sort of getting used to my initial mech.
the left hand num pad is a dream for CAD work. the old sidewinder X6, with a detachable num pad that snaps to either side, was brilliant in that regard.
bot for every day use, i settled on 75%
I use a TKL keyboard... It was only around $40, and it's great.
Redragon k552?
Thanks for putting this out there, I happen to be one of the no clue people and this definitely pointed me in the right direction. Thanks!
I LOVE my Core 40% board. Amazing for mobile typing especially with a laptop
How does your Core compare with your previous keyboard?
David, I'm currently using a hot swappable pcb in an aluminum 60% case. The core is also aluminum so although it's small it's super sturdy. If you can handle the difficulty of accessing certain keys it's awesome. I wouldn't really use it for a primary board though
@@mrsw916 The Core is such a beautiful, smart build, even with DSA (ugh!). I passed mine along after a short experience, though. A 40 should be a natural progression from a 60, but the additional Fn layer keys seem like a challenge rather than an efficiency.
I've been using a full size forever, and until my first mech board. First mech was TKL, nothing special, only $60 or so with Kailh Browns. Then went back to full size. Now I run a 60% HHKB for my gaming computer and a Logitech MX Keys full size for work because of the num pad. And you're absolutely right, having no numpad is great and the mouse is closer so it's also better ergonomically. It led me to start another keeb build that has a separate numpad so that I can bring my mouse closer and still have the numpad wherever I like but I think left size pads should be more popular because that is the best of both worlds. Note: I think split keebs for ergonomics are also great for games that only need half the board like League.
HHKB all day long with the side key for all the needed layers (function, arrow and so on). 👌🏻
Personal experience: if you like playing older games (from 1990's or early 2000's) and/or like to play with your friends on a single computer at the same time, getting a keyboard with dedicated arrow keys (and preferably a numpad) is strongly recommended. It can also help while playing a game that utilizes a lot of different keybinds. That's why I'm staying at 100% (or more since I like to have a few dedicated macro buttons).
As an IT student, my preference goes to full size, unfortunately my desk is quite small so I couldn't fit one in XD
I've got a 60% very happy with it, it's an Anne pro 2 so I can tap the bottom right keys for arrows
I made my own custom 60% board but, a 65% would make more sense since dedicated arrow keys would help alot with terminal stuff.
60% is a good starting point though since many parts are available easier then for 65% etc...
I know this is a really old comment, but have you tried using a key like caps lock and hjkl or ijkl for arrow keys? I personally prefer it over using arrow keys just because there isn't a full hand movement whenever I want to go to my arrow keys.
@@franticnine6885 on my 60% I have a split space so the fn key is inbetween two spaces, and my arrow keys are just jkl; and I don't understand why don't more people use a similar setup
If you dont use the 4 keys at the bottom right, just remap them to arrow keys.
Been rocking the Iris (60% | 58 keys) lately with the numpad on a second layer. Combined with touch typing and the Colemak layout, it's hard to imagine ever going back to a "normal" keyboard.
But be warned: it takes some getting used to!
Im waiting for the Satisfaction 75 to come back :/
Round 2 end of 2020
Same
Bruh is that a one eyed mask
TheLTGamer yeah
60% for me, as I mainly use it for typing and light work for my engineering software
Daily driver is a 60. Anne Pro, currently waiting on parts to build a Discipline 65
My absolute favorite is the 65% layout, it contains everything I need and skips everything I barely use. I am an ISO user as well and I am currently using a Keychron K6, which checks all the boxes for me.
I use a full size but I am thinking of a TKL as my next.
If u haven't done it yet, do it. It was the best decision of my gaming life. More mouse space, a bunch of good options and you still have dedicated arrow keys.
Thanks for this awesome video - I'm just starting the research process for building my 1st mech keyboard and your visuals are *very* helpful!
And what keyboard did you ended up building? Need to build one me as well and would be interested in your opinion :)
I prefer TKL because they're just the right size. It's as wide as my laptop is so I can just put in above my dead laptop keyboard lol
Full size gang right here. I'll live with the bulkiness. Don't you take my number pad with the giant 0 key away from me.
I don't know why I need it for home use, since I'm not bringing any mechanical board into the office, but it's a matter of principle.
I struggle because I love the small form factor of a keyboard without a number pad, but I need one for my design work at home. I wonder if I should just keep a separate number pad handy for the times that I am doing work.
I worked for several years as an accountant. Not having a dedicated number pad seems unbelievably impractical from my experience but I barely use it in my free time. I love doing stats at home for random things but I really don't use it as much. I am still undecided on which size to choose. I don't play games, I prefer watching others play.
Really good video! Helped me out a ton. I am currently using a full size keyboard but am going to switch to a tkl one soon:)
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I can see you not only have taste in keyboards but also good taste in music 😌
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For about 2 years I’ve been using the razer cynosa chroma but last week my keys stop working it was a full sized keyboard now I’ve bought the apex pro tkl and I’m telling you mechanical keyboards are so much better and a tkl is so helpfull
I use full sized because I have all the numpads bound to macros for editing and whatever
I found the coolest thing recently. A tight clustered (4mm spacing and bezels) TKL with a slightly reduced numpad instead of the nav keys (nav keys on a different layer, you can also perma-change their mode via FN and hitting backspace which activates the num lock and switches the numpad between modes) It's called a HAVIT KB487L. Really crazy that it comes with PBT keycaps, too. Though it DOES have Jixian red switches, the stabilizers are pretty damn good.
There's also an RGB version with pudding keycaps callled the KB851L, but it's much harder to find, apparently. My point is, that I think this is the ideal layout if you're not gonna go straight up with a 60% or smaller. I dub it an "85%" and I wish that it was available for the custom market, because unless I fall in love with an ortho 50% or end up trying and liking an ortho 40% (or do an ortho 75%, which fits in a 60% case but uses all 1U keycaps) then I'm pretty sure that this layout of KB is my "endgame"
Mans really thought he could get away with putting Red Velvet on his monitors and have me not notice... heehee
2:23 i see what you put up there...nice
6:01 i see that you have great taste in music
I use a tkl, and it's honestly the best choice for me since not only does it have a clean design that doesn't feel squished, but I need the command keys for certain programs
I have to stick with TKL or 75% because I need the function row.
What do you need the functions keys for? I’m curious because I rarely use them on my board even though I have them.
@@auradrifter7779 Hm, it's difficult to even name situations. I use F keys in the games I play + quite a lot of shortcuts and navigation. It's like I don't know what I'm missing 'till I don't have it. I had Magicforce 68 for a few days and I was miserable without function keys. Sometimes layers are good enough, but not all the time.
But the the function row are under different layers, just press fn+1 for example
@@auradrifter7779 To be honest, I use keypad a lot. I often have to write numbers, and it is so satasfying to write on it.
About the function keys, I use del a lot, because you can delete something that is in front of your cursor. Also home, end are pretty useful. Print screen is, I think, My most used button on here after del. Others I would personally cut off. They are not effective at all. Also insert has a place when programming.
@@sarips841 It's just not practical if you ever use it in game
TKL all the way. Tried to work with a 60% - but due to work and general habits, it's simply difficult when you have to press even simple F key combos e.g. Ctrl+F5, not to mention that navigating with Ctrl+Arrows for quick move from one word/keyword to the next/prev is simply a godsend.
I have every size keyboard besides 40% and I prefer 65% or TKL
Then get the 40% one
Replaced a broken full sized keyboard in a hurry with a 65%. Been using it for a year and finally realised I don't like it. Can't wait for my new keyboard to arrive. It's my first mechanical and oh how I've missed all that extra functionallity.