Hahaha I didn't know they were a Chinese based dev until I got to the end of the manual. Somebody mentioned it to me and I was like.. Are you sure? "omg Paul really.. they've got tons of sampled ancient Chinese instruments.." Fair enough 🤣
This is doing serious numbers right? and since I loved the video and it was nerdy af - I love it! So either your new recipe for clicks via title is everything, or this community is far more nerdy and interested in dynamic eqs than I thought! Is the watchtime comparable to others?
I'm an old fart mix engineer and I have to say, a lot of these type plugins makes me shake my head in disbelief. Who the f**k are all of these bells and whistles for? Seriously... nobody will ever have time to create emotion in a mix if they're perpetually f**king around with all of this BS. I'd bet that 99.9% of the folks listening to a mix wouldn't ever be able to tell the difference between this EQ, the ProQ3 or a stock DAW plugin. The entire plugin industry has taken hold of the concept: Create a need and fill it. Obviously it's profitable. There have been countless amazing albums completed throughout the years with only 4 bands of analog EQ. This is madness. People....step away from the crack pipe and just mix the music. Unless you're trying to fix a problem in a zillion dollar movie score, I just don't get it. I'm not crapping on this product: it's amazing at what it does. I'm just bewildered. Paul, awesome job as usual.
A few months late seeing this review, but I've had both EQs for a while, and thought Kirchhoff was the pinnacle for clarity across the spectrum with a wider stereo image. But to keep objectivity, as I frequently do to avoid the "new-shiny--plugin must be better than old-dusty-plugin" trap, I recently tested the latest version of ProQ3 against the latest version of Kirchhoff in null tests, and most importantly, A/B blind listening. Other than expected slight differences in filter slopes, they sound pretty much identical. I did the same with Sonible SmartQ3 (demo) and CraveEQ2. Same result. They are all great EQs at the core level. They differ in application and features, but are far too similar in sonic quality to matter more than experience and skill. In all my years of producing and mixing, only one rule has ever proven to be consistently true: less is more. If a mix or track starts sounding like it needs 6 more plugins, or hours of tweaking a dynamic EQ with 8x oversampling and artificial intelligence-matching, either the mixer needs a vacation, or the track needs to be re-recorded. Every single plugin, especially multi-function (dynamic EQs, multiband compression, etc) can quickly degrade the quality of a well recorded track in a mix, and the mix itself. Even with mastering, if you need that much control that late in the production, someone screwed up the mix or the recording. It happens, but it shouldn't if audio really matters. I might have used the dynamics section in these EQs once on a couple of dialog tracks, but that's it. Sure, it sounds impressive to have a dozen filter types with upward and downward dynamics. But resist the temptation until you know when you really need it, and then use it very sparingly.
Cards on the table, most of this shit is completely over my head. The videos are brilliant though, really entertaining. Every now and then I learn something by accident. Great channel mate, keep it up.
I’m extremely curious to try that plugin. Nice that you’ve make a video on in. For me its biggest advantage over proQ3 is the dynamic section. I don’t need 32 bands and all that analog filters but that dynamic section with that tweak ability seems perfect for me.
As someone who was eyeing ProQ since like forever, I might try this. It would probably take years to fully utilise all its capabilities but it seems very powerful, so in the long run it could probably worth it as an all-in-one EQ. That is, if it doesn't eat up my machine. Their other products seem interesting too...
It's crazy how many great alternatives there are out there. Fabfilter, dmg, crave, Tokyo Dawn, now kirchoff.. Some crazy clever coders and mathematicians out there. True audio Geeks making plugins haha
@@CraigScottFrost it's not quite as fully featured as the really high end ones, but for the price it's outstanding. Dynamic EQ, Mid/Side, Saturation, Analog Modelling, etc. I just meant if you're on a budget and can't afford Fabfilter then this will do a very good job for 30 bucks (or 8 bucks on sale as it very often is).
Gotta say, I’m very impressed by this… gonna give it a spin later today I reckon - the low-CPU drain and super-impressive graphics performance of Q3 is high bar to beat though!
True and I did mention that but tbh Ive had proq3 for years and never used the eq match function. And many others I speak to don't either so it's whether you actually use it or not
@@PaulThird I find it super-useful for one particular thing - generating guitar IRs. It’s kind of indispensable for me for that. Other than that I might very occasionally use it on a kick or snare or something, but barely ever. On a whole mix or something, never.
A realworld performance comparison test would have been nice. Because the best EQ in the world is worthless if it makes the DAW sweat with 30+ tracks. For this reason, I only use Pro-Q3. It is the only EQ that works like a lightweight despite numerous and very advanced features.
On my i7 one instance of proQ3 (1-2%) and one instance of kirchoff (3-4%) 10 instances of proQ3 (6-7%) 10 instances of kirchoff (12-14%) All instances utilising the dynamic eq functions. So kirchoff is double the cpu of proQ3 on my i7 laptop. Take that information as you will
How many of us and how many of professional producers are going to use all those extra features? Little to none. I love that it's there but EQ is about cutting, boosting and eventually dynamically controlling certain frequencies. Just give me an easy to use, precise and CPU light EQ that doesn't cramp near the nyquist and I am more than good. Neverthless, this is a killer plugin.
If I didn't have FF Pro Q3 already I'd think about it... but I would also look at Toneboosters eq2 for $29 as well... Very nice eq though and great video.
I like kirchoff eq more than pro q3 because of all the extra curves, but i think they still need to change a few things. I shouldn't have to click the hand every time I want to use the freq spectral grab. They should make it a bitt more automatic like FF Pro Q3. Pro Q seems a lil bit more quicker/ a lil more user intuitive. Maybe they will change that in the future.
117bit is absolutely ridiculous. Signal to noise ratio for 32 bit is waaaaay overkill already, 1528dB lmao, must be louder than the biggest sound in the universe in theory (?)... 117bit is for the multiverse or something like that lol.
Fabfilter when matching creates many resonances and makes the bass, more hard that the sound is distorted. Kirchhoff has a defeat, it hasn't learning mode.
PERFECT! This was everything I dreamed it would be. Cleared up the things I wasn't sure about and couldn't be bothered to find out myself. That's (your accent aside) the main reason I initially subscribed. You did all that PluginDoctor voodoo that was completely "nerdy" and out of reach for me. Now I do it myself. You really went 20 extra miles here and I do appreciate! Gerhard approves of this video and the Kirchhoff EQ.
Although I'll add that this is a very ME perspective. If I didn't know anything about the EQ I probably would have liked to know more about the workflow (soloing, muting the individual bands etc) - but I guess you had to make a decision here, because otherwise this video would have gone an hour.
Wait a minute...I always thought Scottish people would know the "ch"-sound like German speakers pronounce it. Like "Loch". Kirchhoff was a German physicist. The name translates to Churchhope (or Kirkhope ;-))
@@PaulThird You pronounce the "ch" in Kirchhoff soft, actually like the "ch" in church. But not like he pronounced it in the video. XD Hoff isnt a german word. Maybe it come from the german word "Hof" which mean court, then it would be Churchcourt, but idk. So, for german ears it sounds like Churchhoff.
For me.. Not really but if you are more creative when using these types of plugins then I suppose it could be. If your not too keen on the auto threshold of other plugins and are very specific when it comes to dialing in a dynamic eq then this would be up your street. Same if you wanted clean analog modelled filters so you could have neve on the low end, API on the mids, ssl on the top etc. All depends on how you use these plugins
I use both haha 2 of them essentially do different things.. Dependent on how you use them. Split eq splits the signal into attack and sustain which kirchoff can't do but the split isn't dynamic or have any where near the feature set of the kirchhoff. You have both you can rule the world!! 🤣
In case anyone is interested, this plugin does work properly on my linux system using yabridge. I had to do the manual authorization rather than the online one, but the process was simple following the prompts. There is a whole lot going on with this plugin!
Boy... If you can't get a good sound with a simple but complete Waves F6 and need all the other features of this plugin you are in trouble. Your source is rotten. I mean how much time and tweak do you need to get a nice track ? These companies are piling up features only for marketing reasons. Its obvious.
To be honest I wouldn't say waves f6 is a complete eq though. EQ cramps which is quite disappointing and uses a basic threshold control. Don't get me wrong you are right that there's no reason why it shouldn't still get good results as it's still a basic dynamic eq but many guys prefer to have more dynamic control and like the phase options dependent on the source. Just playing devil's advocate. I own fabfilter, waves f6 and now kirchoff and I don't have any need for f6. I even curve matched it a long time ago with fabfilter and for whatever reason I preferred proq3. It was completely blind and level matched and for whatever reason I could always pick out fabfilter as what I preferred. Suppose it depends on what you want to get out a digital eq really
@@PaulThird I am 61 yo and our board is an API Legacy Plus 48 channel with Vision automation. And you know what was accomplished for decades with this 4 band Eq. I just find it " troubling ?" that nowadays, mostly working with high quality samples and affordable good micpres and microphones, we would need these surgical tools to make better productions. But I have no doubt that each new generation of these types of plugins have much more to offer than its predecessors. I just wonder when more is going to be enough... Cheers !
Nice! I've been watching this one with a keen eye! Did you happen to try the analog filters against anything else? I'd have assumed it was just different curve shapes, but if there was "circuit modelling" too, that might imply some saturation, or?
No saturation. I'd suggest you check the blog link in the description as the developer talks in way more detail about it but from what I can gather they decided to model the filters in a linear fashion similar to what UAD did with all the legacy emulations and what Harrison done with their channel strip
pre/post eq and external spectrums + show collisions buttons are something i use a lot in pro q 3, i cant find this in Kirchhoff. There is a new update coming wend this week (Plugin Alliance) however which I look forward too. The filter types are just curves right also? So you still need your musical eq vsts - for that - Pro Q 3 seems a bit better for me
I just used this.....very good EQ.....I like it better than Pro Q....especially the choice between Neve EQs for Instruments and Vocals and SSL E or G EQs for mastering
Certainly not worth me getting this after already having Q3 and 5000!!! other eqs... but if I were starting fresh... Id still just get fab filter because its the industry standard.
Highly suggest you to do some comparison of kirchoff analog curves vs analog modelled EQs to see if they actually sound the same.. AFAIK Kirchoff doesn't add the harmonics of those EQs...
True but tbh sometimes it's good to have the option of just the curves as there's already more than a dozen emulations of each already. Bettermaker for example is completely clean and people love it compared to pultec emulations as you get the curve interaction without the overly coloured smeariness a lot of pultecs have A lot of the times the curves are almost as much of a sonic signature as the harmonics which in a lot of hardware eq's are generally quite clean anyway 🤓 Also you can take the SSL, Neve, pultec curves etc and turn them into a dynamic eq which is a pretty cool option
I love how honest you are with your plugin reviews. I always take your opinion very seriously when you say a plugin is bad or good. You'll callout crappy developer's on their BS. It also helps that you're also very knowledgeable and thurough with testing these plugins. All these other shills on youtube are just trying to get you to buy whatever it is they're reviewing and I'm sure most of them don't know half as much as you anyway. Love the content Paul 👌. Never sellout, you're a breath of fresh air amongst the corporatized none sense that youtube has become. One question about this plugin, does it have the frequency spectrum comparison between two tracks like ProQ3 does? And does it make it easy by automatically talking to other instances of the plugin or do you have to setup routing?
When I went through the manual I didn't see anything that stated anything about instances talking to one another. That's why I put it at the end of the video as something I think they should definitely add 🤓 Tbh I didn't even know proq3 did it before you just said it haha 😅
@@PaulThird Okay, My claim was slightly misleading. I have purchased very few plugins of any kind, and least of all EQs. Most of my plugins are stock, bundled or free, and what exists within that strata is sufficient to blow my mind. That said, upon racking my brain I remember that I did buy Waves' PuigTec EQs back in 2014 and use them regularly 🤣. (I've not upgraded since v9 because they still work and also because 🖕). I've purchased other plugs or bundles from Waves, TDR, iZotope Audio Thing, and I'm sure a few of others who escape my recollection in the moment. To answer your question more directly, I tend to buy plugins that free products have yet to do really well or comprehensively, like reverbs and other toys. I'd be surprised if I've dropped $500 on plugins in my life. As an aside, I still remember very clearly my days (in the mid nineties) spent drooling at the prospect of having a single reverb unit, four-band parametric EQ on every channel and four channels of compression. Can you imagine what I can do with FOUR channels? The mind reels. For the last few years, every time sale season rolls around my eyes get really big and I fill my carts at all the sites. Then I take deep breaths and wait until the sales have expired and when I come to I realize yet again that I've missed out only on some instant gratification.
@@PaulThird Correct it's not a dynamic eq. After emailing with the developer, my understanding is he was looking to create a super clean EQ. Very precise.
Nah doubt it. Just an added pre instance combining the different sampled pultecs that they already have. The oversampling thing is pointless as it's nothing to do with aliasing. The way they explained it for pensado eq it's oversampling an algo clipper they internally use for some aquas. Its really just the same plugin but you have an additional pre plugin now
@@PaulThird oh coz I was really thinking of saving to buy it, and unfortunately Im still not that trained to hear that much difference compared to other pultec style eq, so reviews like yours are still my go to when Im deciding to buy another plugin. I love pultec style eqs and acustica's is one that Im eyeing right now.
Depends what you are after. There are a lot of pultec emulations out there. If you want colored pultec then noiseash ruletec is the best imo as Acustica can't deliver that. Purples benefit is that it has the pulse and warm audio variations but tbh when it comes to pultec from Acustica I'm either titaniums tube tech or Ruby's dw Fearn Watch my titanium video and I'm pretty sure there's a comparison of purple vs titanium and titanium destroyed it to my ears. Our of all the pultecs I've tried purple is my least favourite personally
Alright Paul, hope yer well. I've been considering trying another EQ plugin due to a few people saying FF PQ3 is the one. I just use Neutron 4 and Izotope because thats where I started and the learning curve is continuous. Do you think it'd be detrimental for me in the early stages to switch, or should I just learn Neutron until I master it and then move on. Dunno if i'm making life harder by this logic or whether it makes sense. Everything described in the video I can do in Neutron its just a bit more complicted in terms of having to open up CPU sucking elements of it. Any advice on whether my amateur pov is naiive or makes sense would be helpful. Dont trust the other channels tbh haha.
Prioritise workflow and cpu if you can. You dont want to think overthink when using an eq and the dynamic section in kirchhoff is unique as far as I know. I don't know any dynamic eq that can do what it does
Great review BUT wondering if there´s any sound being modelled with all the filter types or are these just the curves. If this thing offers emulation sounds next to digital precision it has a huge benefit over Pro-Q3. In this case it would be more comparable to the DMG Equilibrium which also has "analog" type filters. But I´m not sure if these are just the curves or if there´s some harmonic modelling going on. Would it be worth to do an additional comparison?
When I read into it (check the blog link in the description) I'm pretty sure it's just the curves so more in the style of equilibrium and toneboosters but I'd read that post as the dev talks in more detail about it
I am using this EQ for 2 Months now and even the Weiss EQ can't compete with this thing. This as good as EQing can get and better. Absolutely Mind-blowing. Fabfilter sounds like a joke against it. You take out some nasty frequencies and your whole mix starts to breathe like nothing before. And the tightness in the low frequencies when using a Hipass Filter is unbelievable. Once you have experienced the Kirchhoff EQ you will never ever use something else again. Believe me.
@@SinclairSound The Dynamic Section is more versatile and the LowEnd is much tighter, I've compared them over days and with the Kirchhoff EQ you get way faster better results.
I have paid for all Three Body Tech's products. Kirchhoff EQ is best plugin they've made till now. It has some bugs in early versions but fixed recently. I think it has 4 advatages: 1.More smooth and detailed Slopes 2.Analog EQ curves 3.Wallpaper customize 4.Less latency And still lacks these functions below which I think are very often used in Fab Q3: 1. EQ match 2. Analyser 3. Keyboard Scales 4. Wet/Dry Control
True but for let's say 90% of mixers they don't have any input into the recording process. Normally it's seperate and it's the mixers job to fix issues
I really, really, really, really, really fucking LOVE the "Analog Modeled Filter"...ex.=Type E, British N, EQ 250, etc. But I wanna know can you use different filters for all 32 bands or whatnot? So if I'm Eq'ing the bass and want an SSL E black low frequency, the API mids, and the Neve highs can I do that without opening 3 different instances? And can you sample and incorporate your own "Analog Modeled Filter", like how you used to be able to sample with Nebula 3 server? As I really need one with the 9000J or K in it, as everything I run through that console the lows sound bigger, deeper, cleaner, lower, whatever you wanna say..... And the highs sound more high, open, airy, more HD or 4k, or HDR...whatever you wanna say...etc. But I wanna be able to pick and choose which frequency band out of those 5 or 6 consoles for whatever instrument/vocal I'm working on! So for guitar I'd want Neve on the lows instead of SSL if it's distorted, and for Dave Matthews'y type of stuff, that requires good acoustic guitar I'd want that ssl 9000 series clarity instead, with the API's mid forward punchiness, and a bit of Neve saturation in the low highs, with the high high's airy and crystal 9000. See what I mean. So that we can pick and choose each band, and pick which console combination we want for each track....like a colour pallet! Want something like that for a live pedal as well! Have any console you want in your effects pedal, like your Kemper, Axe Effects, or Line 6 pedal....as their the big boys with the digital platforms. It'd have to be good though. Maybe Slate would do it....hmmm.
FYI I was paid by the developer to review kirchhoff but all opinions are my own.
Links are all in description 🤓
If you think this is geeky try out Equilibrium from DMG audio.
The O.G. 🤣
How much Yen did they offer?
Hahaha I didn't know they were a Chinese based dev until I got to the end of the manual. Somebody mentioned it to me and I was like.. Are you sure?
"omg Paul really.. they've got tons of sampled ancient Chinese instruments.."
Fair enough 🤣
This is doing serious numbers right? and since I loved the video and it was nerdy af - I love it! So either your new recipe for clicks via title is everything, or this community is far more nerdy and interested in dynamic eqs than I thought! Is the watchtime comparable to others?
I'm an old fart mix engineer and I have to say, a lot of these type plugins makes me shake my head in disbelief. Who the f**k are all of these bells and whistles for? Seriously... nobody will ever have time to create emotion in a mix if they're perpetually f**king around with all of this BS. I'd bet that 99.9% of the folks listening to a mix wouldn't ever be able to tell the difference between this EQ, the ProQ3 or a stock DAW plugin.
The entire plugin industry has taken hold of the concept: Create a need and fill it. Obviously it's profitable.
There have been countless amazing albums completed throughout the years with only 4 bands of analog EQ. This is madness. People....step away from the crack pipe and just mix the music. Unless you're trying to fix a problem in a zillion dollar movie score, I just don't get it.
I'm not crapping on this product: it's amazing at what it does. I'm just bewildered. Paul, awesome job as usual.
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Whew!
You probably won't believe me, but you saved me the trouble of writing this critique, almost word-for-word.
Best Regards.
LMAO I commented before I read the comments LOL
A few months late seeing this review, but I've had both EQs for a while, and thought Kirchhoff was the pinnacle for clarity across the spectrum with a wider stereo image. But to keep objectivity, as I frequently do to avoid the "new-shiny--plugin must be better than old-dusty-plugin" trap, I recently tested the latest version of ProQ3 against the latest version of Kirchhoff in null tests, and most importantly, A/B blind listening. Other than expected slight differences in filter slopes, they sound pretty much identical. I did the same with Sonible SmartQ3 (demo) and CraveEQ2. Same result. They are all great EQs at the core level. They differ in application and features, but are far too similar in sonic quality to matter more than experience and skill.
In all my years of producing and mixing, only one rule has ever proven to be consistently true: less is more. If a mix or track starts sounding like it needs 6 more plugins, or hours of tweaking a dynamic EQ with 8x oversampling and artificial intelligence-matching, either the mixer needs a vacation, or the track needs to be re-recorded. Every single plugin, especially multi-function (dynamic EQs, multiband compression, etc) can quickly degrade the quality of a well recorded track in a mix, and the mix itself. Even with mastering, if you need that much control that late in the production, someone screwed up the mix or the recording. It happens, but it shouldn't if audio really matters. I might have used the dynamics section in these EQs once on a couple of dialog tracks, but that's it. Sure, it sounds impressive to have a dozen filter types with upward and downward dynamics. But resist the temptation until you know when you really need it, and then use it very sparingly.
As long as they do not implement (good) Harmonic distortion, they are all pretty much the same sounding (for serious eq I mean).
Kirchhoff-EQ costs less than FabFilter Pro-Q 3 which could be the deciding factor if you're not sure about which plugin to buy
Cards on the table, most of this shit is completely over my head. The videos are brilliant though, really entertaining. Every now and then I learn something by accident.
Great channel mate, keep it up.
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I’m extremely curious to try that plugin. Nice that you’ve make a video on in. For me its biggest advantage over proQ3 is the dynamic section. I don’t need 32 bands and all that analog filters but that dynamic section with that tweak ability seems perfect for me.
It's dynamic section is well thought out.. After you spend 15 minutes figuring out what it actually does 🤣
Was going to ask you to do a review of this eq, so glad you were already on it!!
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I'll stick with Pro Q 3 too many bells and whistles makes a bunch of MUSH...
Been using this eq for around 2 months now and it's been getting some great updates along the way
It's my go-to.. Love it
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Completely agree 💯. People have gotten obsessed with plugins, more than actually making music 🎶, and it should not be this way 🤦🏽♂️.
HorNet Total EQ is another good option for only $8 on sale right now.
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Looks like a great tool for those who don't already have a pro-level alternative. Thanks for another well-made video, Paul.
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KIRCHHOFF EQ has not a Analyse feature. huge pro for FAb
is this a Chinese company ?
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@@PaulThird thanks mate
KIRCHHOFF EQ is really great. But before I tried it, all my thought is "another EQ?". And their updates/improvements are quite good.
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Crave Eq, not dynamic but, for me its the winner!
As someone who was eyeing ProQ since like forever, I might try this. It would probably take years to fully utilise all its capabilities but it seems very powerful, so in the long run it could probably worth it as an all-in-one EQ. That is, if it doesn't eat up my machine. Their other products seem interesting too...
It's crazy how many great alternatives there are out there. Fabfilter, dmg, crave, Tokyo Dawn, now kirchoff.. Some crazy clever coders and mathematicians out there. True audio Geeks making plugins haha
@@PaulThird Hornet Total EQ is a really great budget alternative.
@@CraigScottFrost it's not quite as fully featured as the really high end ones, but for the price it's outstanding. Dynamic EQ, Mid/Side, Saturation, Analog Modelling, etc. I just meant if you're on a budget and can't afford Fabfilter then this will do a very good job for 30 bucks (or 8 bucks on sale as it very often is).
Gotta say, I’m very impressed by this… gonna give it a spin later today I reckon - the low-CPU drain and super-impressive graphics performance of Q3 is high bar to beat though!
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..is there a way to see the colliding frequencies in kirchoff like in ff pro q3? that would be amazing....regards
Nope. That's a good feature of pro q3 and sonnox claro
The one way this loses out over Pro-Q for me is, as far as I know, it can’t do match EQ, which is kind of annoying.
True and I did mention that but tbh Ive had proq3 for years and never used the eq match function. And many others I speak to don't either so it's whether you actually use it or not
@@PaulThird I find it super-useful for one particular thing - generating guitar IRs. It’s kind of indispensable for me for that.
Other than that I might very occasionally use it on a kick or snare or something, but barely ever. On a whole mix or something, never.
Pro-4 is gonna be fuckin loaded can't wait....
I've heard rumours but I would imagine they are preparing a proq4
A realworld performance comparison test would have been nice. Because the best EQ in the world is worthless if it makes the DAW sweat with 30+ tracks. For this reason, I only use Pro-Q3. It is the only EQ that works like a lightweight despite numerous and very advanced features.
I use Kirchhoff eq on all my tracks on a 2013 MacBook Pro (most in mix phase mode) and it’s not taking my laptop on its knees.
On my i7 one instance of proQ3 (1-2%) and one instance of kirchoff (3-4%)
10 instances of proQ3 (6-7%) 10 instances of kirchoff (12-14%)
All instances utilising the dynamic eq functions.
So kirchoff is double the cpu of proQ3 on my i7 laptop. Take that information as you will
How many of us and how many of professional producers are going to use all those extra features?
Little to none. I love that it's there but EQ is about cutting, boosting and eventually dynamically controlling certain frequencies. Just give me an easy to use, precise and CPU light EQ that doesn't cramp near the nyquist and I am more than good.
Neverthless, this is a killer plugin.
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If I didn't have FF Pro Q3 already I'd think about it... but I would also look at Toneboosters eq2 for $29 as well... Very nice eq though and great video.
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it's good, mostly redundant if you have other plugins, and just not my thing. Not my kind of tweak interests....Thanks for the video.
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I like kirchoff eq more than pro q3 because of all the extra curves, but i think they still need to change a few things. I shouldn't have to click the hand every time I want to use the freq spectral grab. They should make it a bitt more automatic like FF Pro Q3. Pro Q seems a lil bit more quicker/ a lil more user intuitive. Maybe they will change that in the future.
Clicking hand every time definitely is a workflow killer IMHO
Anyone know what the EQ250 & ToneStack are modeling?
250 is sontec
117bit is absolutely ridiculous. Signal to noise ratio for 32 bit is waaaaay overkill already, 1528dB lmao, must be louder than the biggest sound in the universe in theory (?)...
117bit is for the multiverse or something like that lol.
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It's $99usd right now
Thanks for this detailed and objective review! Gonna pass on this one since i have a ton of EQs of all different kinds already.
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I think where proQ shines is how quickly and intuitivly you can work without overthinking settings. This plugin looks great tho.
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Fabfilter when matching creates many resonances and makes the bass, more hard that the sound is distorted. Kirchhoff has a defeat, it hasn't learning mode.
Tbh I don't know many that actually use the eq match 🤷♂️
marvellous ! i could say ...😱💯❤💛💚🤎💙💙💚🖤 !!..., or, ... the contrary ... (...about colors, i mean.....)
Is there a phase filter plugin out there as nerdy as this?
Not that I know of tbh but doesn't mean there isn't
Looks amazing, but I'll stick with my fabfilter.
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PERFECT! This was everything I dreamed it would be. Cleared up the things I wasn't sure about and couldn't be bothered to find out myself. That's (your accent aside) the main reason I initially subscribed. You did all that PluginDoctor voodoo that was completely "nerdy" and out of reach for me. Now I do it myself. You really went 20 extra miles here and I do appreciate! Gerhard approves of this video and the Kirchhoff EQ.
Although I'll add that this is a very ME perspective. If I didn't know anything about the EQ I probably would have liked to know more about the workflow (soloing, muting the individual bands etc) - but I guess you had to make a decision here, because otherwise this video would have gone an hour.
This was meant to be finished on Wednesday so you can imagine how much I underestimated how much research and editing I'd need to do on this haha 😅
@@PaulThird Told you this one wouldn't be easy! But then again I thought P42 would be easy ahahhahaa..
I had to actually re-edit the p42 vid due to the shit the dev was stirring up haha
Think about 14 minutes and filling it all up with visuals.. Added any more i still wouldn't be finished 🤣
I'll stick with neutron advanced with its quick and easy workflow. Also inter-plugin communication helps with trouble shooting.
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@@PaulThird I really enjoy the depth you go so I don't have to with all the plugin marketing
This one took a lot of time to finish but I'm happy with it looking back 🤓
It's $75 at Plugin Alliance now with use MEGA-75-OFF
Wait a minute...I always thought Scottish people would know the "ch"-sound like German speakers pronounce it. Like "Loch". Kirchhoff was a German physicist. The name translates to Churchhope (or Kirkhope ;-))
Most scottish people talk quick though haha if we can say something quicker and get away with it 9 times out of 10 we'll do it 🤣
@@PaulThird 😄 Hopefully they'll slow it down for me when I'm in Edinburgh. I'll be there in April...😅
Edinburgh is a lot better than the other cities. Its the main tourist attraction so you should be fine haha come to my neck of the woods.. No chance 🤣
@@PaulThird You pronounce the "ch" in Kirchhoff soft, actually like the "ch" in church. But not like he pronounced it in the video. XD Hoff isnt a german word. Maybe it come from the german word "Hof" which mean court, then it would be Churchcourt, but idk. So, for german ears it sounds like Churchhoff.
Is a great plugin ... but only time will tell if someone would prefer it over Pro Q3 ... as the workflow is not very straightforward as ProQ3....
You can use it in the same way as proq3. It's just that it has more options
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Remember to check out my autism channel if you want to learn more about my life 🤓🤓
Very tweakeable but necessary....?
For me.. Not really but if you are more creative when using these types of plugins then I suppose it could be. If your not too keen on the auto threshold of other plugins and are very specific when it comes to dialing in a dynamic eq then this would be up your street. Same if you wanted clean analog modelled filters so you could have neve on the low end, API on the mids, ssl on the top etc.
All depends on how you use these plugins
Kirchhoff verzuz SplitEQ??! Polemic Iconoclastic Bombastic baby!
I use both haha 2 of them essentially do different things.. Dependent on how you use them.
Split eq splits the signal into attack and sustain which kirchoff can't do but the split isn't dynamic or have any where near the feature set of the kirchhoff.
You have both you can rule the world!! 🤣
@@PaulThird EXCELLENT RESPONSE, MATEY
In case anyone is interested, this plugin does work properly on my linux system using yabridge. I had to do the manual authorization rather than the online one, but the process was simple following the prompts. There is a whole lot going on with this plugin!
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too bad its opengl shit.
Dang!... I had ignored this thinking it didn't offer anything new, but this looks fantastic. I'm gonna check this out!
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Boy... If you can't get a good sound with a simple but complete Waves F6 and need all the other features of this plugin
you are in trouble. Your source is rotten.
I mean how much time and tweak do you need to get a nice track ?
These companies are piling up features
only for marketing reasons. Its obvious.
To be honest I wouldn't say waves f6 is a complete eq though.
EQ cramps which is quite disappointing and uses a basic threshold control.
Don't get me wrong you are right that there's no reason why it shouldn't still get good results as it's still a basic dynamic eq but many guys prefer to have more dynamic control and like the phase options dependent on the source.
Just playing devil's advocate. I own fabfilter, waves f6 and now kirchoff and I don't have any need for f6. I even curve matched it a long time ago with fabfilter and for whatever reason I preferred proq3. It was completely blind and level matched and for whatever reason I could always pick out fabfilter as what I preferred.
Suppose it depends on what you want to get out a digital eq really
@@PaulThird I am 61 yo and our board is an API Legacy Plus 48 channel with Vision automation. And you know what was accomplished for decades with this
4 band Eq. I just find it " troubling ?" that
nowadays, mostly working with high quality samples and affordable good micpres and microphones, we would need these surgical tools to make better productions. But I have no doubt that each new generation of these types of plugins have much more to offer than its predecessors. I just wonder when more is going to be enough...
Cheers !
Nice! I've been watching this one with a keen eye! Did you happen to try the analog filters against anything else? I'd have assumed it was just different curve shapes, but if there was "circuit modelling" too, that might imply some saturation, or?
No saturation. I'd suggest you check the blog link in the description as the developer talks in way more detail about it but from what I can gather they decided to model the filters in a linear fashion similar to what UAD did with all the legacy emulations and what Harrison done with their channel strip
pre/post eq and external spectrums + show collisions buttons are something i use a lot in pro q 3, i cant find this in Kirchhoff. There is a new update coming wend this week (Plugin Alliance) however which I look forward too. The filter types are just curves right also? So you still need your musical eq vsts - for that - Pro Q 3 seems a bit better for me
What do you mean by musical eq's?
By musical he probably means coloring eqs like Pultec, Manley, Curve Bender etc.
Fabfilter are working on the next version of the Pro EQ.
Yeah Ive heard rumours 🤓
One of your geekiest videos yet my dude!! I don't understand it all but sounds clever hehe
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lol i rember
I just used this.....very good EQ.....I like it better than Pro Q....especially the choice between Neve EQs for Instruments and Vocals and SSL E or G EQs for mastering
I try the demo. It sounds very good! But there are no presets. Are there presets in the "buy version"?
It's not really a presets type of plugin tbh
Im assuming the BLUE is from the Focusrite console.. But I may be way off..
Somebody said to me the tube is a pultec but dunno what the blue is still 🤷♂️
The curves resemble the MaagEQ, same with the color.
@@PaulThird Possibly Maag
It's maag. I did a video on it where I deeply nulled the brainworx maag with it
@@PaulThird Ah cool what's the Tone Stacks one?
Certainly not worth me getting this after already having Q3 and 5000!!! other eqs... but if I were starting fresh... Id still just get fab filter because its the industry standard.
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Screw the industry standard is Kirchhoff EQ isn't it!!!
Does this eq emulate the saturation of the Neve eq
No. Just the curves.. But.. Curves can be dynamic so you essentially have a dynamic neve eq
I was blown away by the Kirchhoff. And it is the first to outdo the Q3.
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Nah. It's split EQ. Just my opinion.
2 completely different plugins
@@TheGARCK SplitEQ can remove loudness war from a master, that is kinda magical.
Looks cool! Not gonna jump. Claro is nothing special to me. It’s a beginner EQ that you’ll outgrow in a month with a little practice. Linking, F yeah!
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This video is not about Claro
Do I not mention claro at the end of the video
Highly suggest you to do some comparison of kirchoff analog curves vs analog modelled EQs to see if they actually sound the same..
AFAIK Kirchoff doesn't add the harmonics of those EQs...
They don't. It's just the curves. There's a link to a blog post in the description about their methods
@@PaulThird it's like having pizza 🍕 without the cheese..
True but tbh sometimes it's good to have the option of just the curves as there's already more than a dozen emulations of each already. Bettermaker for example is completely clean and people love it compared to pultec emulations as you get the curve interaction without the overly coloured smeariness a lot of pultecs have
A lot of the times the curves are almost as much of a sonic signature as the harmonics which in a lot of hardware eq's are generally quite clean anyway 🤓
Also you can take the SSL, Neve, pultec curves etc and turn them into a dynamic eq which is a pretty cool option
Glad you brought this to our attention, i just checked out their saturation plugin aswell and it's quite tasty when used right.
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I love how honest you are with your plugin reviews. I always take your opinion very seriously when you say a plugin is bad or good. You'll callout crappy developer's on their BS. It also helps that you're also very knowledgeable and thurough with testing these plugins. All these other shills on youtube are just trying to get you to buy whatever it is they're reviewing and I'm sure most of them don't know half as much as you anyway. Love the content Paul 👌. Never sellout, you're a breath of fresh air amongst the corporatized none sense that youtube has become. One question about this plugin, does it have the frequency spectrum comparison between two tracks like ProQ3 does? And does it make it easy by automatically talking to other instances of the plugin or do you have to setup routing?
When I went through the manual I didn't see anything that stated anything about instances talking to one another. That's why I put it at the end of the video as something I think they should definitely add 🤓
Tbh I didn't even know proq3 did it before you just said it haha 😅
@@PaulThird Oh really? haha. Well thanks man. Good to know.
I'm pretty sure I've never paid for an EQ and about equally as sure that I won't.
What do you buy then? Haha
@@PaulThird Okay, My claim was slightly misleading. I have purchased very few plugins of any kind, and least of all EQs. Most of my plugins are stock, bundled or free, and what exists within that strata is sufficient to blow my mind.
That said, upon racking my brain I remember that I did buy Waves' PuigTec EQs back in 2014 and use them regularly 🤣. (I've not upgraded since v9 because they still work and also because 🖕). I've purchased other plugs or bundles from Waves, TDR, iZotope Audio Thing, and I'm sure a few of others who escape my recollection in the moment.
To answer your question more directly, I tend to buy plugins that free products have yet to do really well or comprehensively, like reverbs and other toys.
I'd be surprised if I've dropped $500 on plugins in my life.
As an aside, I still remember very clearly my days (in the mid nineties) spent drooling at the prospect of having a single reverb unit, four-band parametric EQ on every channel and four channels of compression. Can you imagine what I can do with FOUR channels? The mind reels.
For the last few years, every time sale season rolls around my eyes get really big and I fill my carts at all the sites. Then I take deep breaths and wait until the sales have expired and when I come to I realize yet again that I've missed out only on some instant gratification.
Check Inf Eq by Slate Digital
I'm a big fan of Crave DSP's CraveEQ 2.
The crave developer is an incredibly clever dude 👌
It's a super clean EQ, that doesn't seem to screw with the sound of the original source like others do. My current fave.
@@PaulThird Just wondering if Crave EQ2 is something you would consider running through it's paces? I'm tempted to shout you the 59 Euro to find out.
Don't think it's dynamic though?
@@PaulThird Correct it's not a dynamic eq. After emailing with the developer, my understanding is he was looking to create a super clean EQ. Very precise.
acustica audio updated their purple to 3.5, can you do a review on it? thanks man.. I always go here for reviews. :)
I've already done a pultec video comparing purple to a real pultec 🤓
@@PaulThird oh.. i was wondering if it was a little bit better than the previous version tho. gonna check that up
Nah doubt it. Just an added pre instance combining the different sampled pultecs that they already have. The oversampling thing is pointless as it's nothing to do with aliasing. The way they explained it for pensado eq it's oversampling an algo clipper they internally use for some aquas.
Its really just the same plugin but you have an additional pre plugin now
@@PaulThird oh coz I was really thinking of saving to buy it, and unfortunately Im still not that trained to hear that much difference compared to other pultec style eq, so reviews like yours are still my go to when Im deciding to buy another plugin. I love pultec style eqs and acustica's is one that Im eyeing right now.
Depends what you are after. There are a lot of pultec emulations out there. If you want colored pultec then noiseash ruletec is the best imo as Acustica can't deliver that. Purples benefit is that it has the pulse and warm audio variations but tbh when it comes to pultec from Acustica I'm either titaniums tube tech or Ruby's dw Fearn
Watch my titanium video and I'm pretty sure there's a comparison of purple vs titanium and titanium destroyed it to my ears.
Our of all the pultecs I've tried purple is my least favourite personally
Scottish accent is so cool.
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Really appreciate your analytical approach to these types of comparisons! Extremely informative.
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Alright Paul, hope yer well. I've been considering trying another EQ plugin due to a few people saying FF PQ3 is the one. I just use Neutron 4 and Izotope because thats where I started and the learning curve is continuous. Do you think it'd be detrimental for me in the early stages to switch, or should I just learn Neutron until I master it and then move on. Dunno if i'm making life harder by this logic or whether it makes sense. Everything described in the video I can do in Neutron its just a bit more complicted in terms of having to open up CPU sucking elements of it. Any advice on whether my amateur pov is naiive or makes sense would be helpful. Dont trust the other channels tbh haha.
Prioritise workflow and cpu if you can. You dont want to think overthink when using an eq and the dynamic section in kirchhoff is unique as far as I know. I don't know any dynamic eq that can do what it does
@@PaulThird Sound mate. I'm going to trial it and see what the learning curve is like. Cheers ma man.
i followed all these steps but when you are using sample that you have imported the program just bugs up.
Are you commenting on the correct video?
@@PaulThird ??? It was not me!
So you didn't post that comment?
@@PaulThird no, absolutly not
Wow, that's really strange. Did you possibly think you were commenting this on another video?
So wierd
Great review BUT wondering if there´s any sound being modelled with all the filter types or are these just the curves. If this thing offers emulation sounds next to digital precision it has a huge benefit over Pro-Q3. In this case it would be more comparable to the DMG Equilibrium which also has "analog" type filters. But I´m not sure if these are just the curves or if there´s some harmonic modelling going on. Would it be worth to do an additional comparison?
When I read into it (check the blog link in the description) I'm pretty sure it's just the curves so more in the style of equilibrium and toneboosters but I'd read that post as the dev talks in more detail about it
I feel like I need a degree in EQ now.
I am using this EQ for 2 Months now and even the Weiss EQ can't compete with this thing. This as good as EQing can get and better. Absolutely Mind-blowing. Fabfilter sounds like a joke against it. You take out some nasty frequencies and your whole mix starts to breathe like nothing before. And the tightness in the low frequencies when using a Hipass Filter is unbelievable. Once you have experienced the Kirchhoff EQ you will never ever use something else again. Believe me.
Do you use the sword filter a lot? I kept reading of people using it
@@PaulThird No, what is the *sword filter" in this ? I am very lazy reading manuals ;))
Basically a bell but with a narrow slope. Looks like a sword 🤣
Better than the Weiss? In what ways? Weiss and ProQ are my go to.. is this thing worth getting ?
@@SinclairSound The Dynamic Section is more versatile and the LowEnd is much tighter, I've compared them over days and with the Kirchhoff EQ you get way faster better results.
I have paid for all Three Body Tech's products.
Kirchhoff EQ is best plugin they've made till now. It has some bugs in early versions but fixed recently.
I think it has 4 advatages:
1.More smooth and detailed Slopes
2.Analog EQ curves
3.Wallpaper customize
4.Less latency
And still lacks these functions below which I think are very often used in Fab Q3:
1. EQ match
2. Analyser
3. Keyboard Scales
4. Wet/Dry Control
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I wish they would make a Brian May Guitar VSTi plugin because their Heavy 6 Strings is killer!!!!
The most professionell thing to do is to get it right while recording the instruments not thinking I can fix it later. IMHO.🖖😎
True but for let's say 90% of mixers they don't have any input into the recording process. Normally it's seperate and it's the mixers job to fix issues
I really, really, really, really, really fucking LOVE the "Analog Modeled Filter"...ex.=Type E, British N, EQ 250, etc. But I wanna know can you use different filters for all 32 bands or whatnot? So if I'm Eq'ing the bass and want an SSL E black low frequency, the API mids, and the Neve highs can I do that without opening 3 different instances? And can you sample and incorporate your own "Analog Modeled Filter", like how you used to be able to sample with Nebula 3 server? As I really need one with the 9000J or K in it, as everything I run through that console the lows sound bigger, deeper, cleaner, lower, whatever you wanna say..... And the highs sound more high, open, airy, more HD or 4k, or HDR...whatever you wanna say...etc. But I wanna be able to pick and choose which frequency band out of those 5 or 6 consoles for whatever instrument/vocal I'm working on! So for guitar I'd want Neve on the lows instead of SSL if it's distorted, and for Dave Matthews'y type of stuff, that requires good acoustic guitar I'd want that ssl 9000 series clarity instead, with the API's mid forward punchiness, and a bit of Neve saturation in the low highs, with the high high's airy and crystal 9000. See what I mean. So that we can pick and choose each band, and pick which console combination we want for each track....like a colour pallet! Want something like that for a live pedal as well! Have any console you want in your effects pedal, like your Kemper, Axe Effects, or Line 6 pedal....as their the big boys with the digital platforms. It'd have to be good though. Maybe Slate would do it....hmmm.
Yeah you can have 32 bands of different analog filters if you really wanted in one plugin instance
@@PaulThird LOVELY FEATURE
SSLs new plugin EQ is extremely good also. Surgical. Also without the cramping.
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