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Dwarfs do indeed become "gold sick" in Warhammer, like in Tolkien, but I think someone else pointed out its with anything valuable, not just gold.
And its quite rare for them to get
Gotrek got offended by the word short in the first Gotrek and Felix book. As far as I know it’s the only OTHER time it’s happened.
The line of text was something like, Felix (imploring an innkeeper to open her door after dark on Geimenschnacht, Night of Mystery) "Please, fraulein! My friend has a very large axe and a very short temper; you don't want to lose your door, do you?" And Gotrek responds, ofc, "What was that about 'short'?"
Well, with the context that begs the question: ‘was Gotrek playing along or did he genuinely take offense’?
As for the name Grudgebearer: it's a name given by the imperials...
Because the FIRST THING humans see Thorgrim doing as High King... is sending an armed delegation to Nuln city for a grudge of 300 years ago... reclaiming a not paid invoice of black powder made by dwarves.
So Nuln paid, but they sees Thorgrim as peety for sending a delegation for that.
What humans didn't see, is that Throgrim was extremely mercifull with his old allies of the empire, reclaiming the strict minimum money to settle the grudge, because grudges is an important part of dwarf culture, as an religious practice (you DON'T have the right to forgive. Grudges are about the world balance, a wrongdoing break the balance and YOU have to settle it, as the doer or the victim). BUT thorgrim was extremely clever and understand that grudges slow down the new golden age of dwarf empire. So he choice to settle them as high king, for his kin to be capable of progress and stop be slowed by looking back.
Thorgrim had a good sense of "what can be done" to settle a grudge. And will always settle it by a pacific way if he can. That doesn't mean he will forget nor forgive. A wrongdoing where dwarves were killed will be settled by fountain of blood... because extermination of Karaz Ankor ennemies is better BEFORE rebuilding.
Something that has been phased out over the years is the existence of "lesser" Books of Grudges, of which there were one per dwarf hold that held the grudges against the hold or its individual dwarfs. Only the ones against dwarvenkind itself, several holds at once, against holds that were destroyed and therefore no longer able to write down their own grudges end up in the Great Book, which will likely contain all the ones involving greenskins, skaven and elves. The name "Book" is also something of a misnomer, because while it is one collection the Great Book of Grudges is a work of many volumes, because this is not the kind of tome where resolved grudges are scrapped with an eraser so more can be written down. They apprently filled out volume 469 (nice) during the Great War Against Chaos, which was 200 years before the events of Total Warhammer. And since the average page count appears to be around 3500, this means that they have filled out well over 1.6 million pages of grudges.
There was also the time where two thanes of a hold tried to settle a series of grudges. They did this through ritual combat where their beards were tied together and they went at it bare-handed. They kept listing off grudges until they realized that neither knew who started it all, and they tried to laugh it off, shake hands and forget about it. At that point the stand holding a Book of Grudges collapsed, the dwarves tried to run but because they were still tied together failed, and both were crushed by the book. This means that to the dwarven gods grudges are sacrosanct, and trying to weasel your way out of settling them is punished by divine retribution. So you better start grudgin'.
Thorgrim is tolerant (for a dwarf) but he isnt all love and roses, one time some bretonian peasants became bandits because they couldnt feed themselves and started raiding bretonian and dawi caravans, both Louen Leoncour and Thorgrim went together to hunt them and after some fight they surrendered, Lourn wanted to forgive them, after all, they were dieing of hunger and they had no choice, Thorgrim answered "they could have chosen to die" and killed them.
On the other hand when Aliathra the Everchild (supposedly daughter of Allariele and Finubar, but secretly her father was Tyrion) was kidnapped by Mannfred and brought to Nagashizzar, the High Elves, leaded by Tyrion, sent an army to save her, Thorgrim leaded a dawi army himself to save Aliathra, and Pancreas already said what happened.
But when Belegar Ironhammer isnt paying his debts he brings a whole army to Karak 8 Peaks to force him to pay, no one can stand the dawi IRS
Dwarfs don’t actually have what can be called a height-complex. Sure, it’d be inadvisable to outright mock them for it, but they won’t put you in THE BOOK over using the S-Word if it fits the context.
The Chaos Dwarfs on the other hand…
Well, to quote Azazel: “Your hat is very tall…are you compensating for something?”
Give a look to "wizards&wariors" History of the end times (he managed to make them good)
Oh crap, didn’t quite expect a reaction to our most glorious High King! But then you posted a reaction about the Dwarf kingdoms recently.. 😅
Thorgrim Grudgebearer is definitely one of the most interesting dwarf characters in the setting for all the reasons pancreas has mentioned in the video. Like if you read the novel “Thorgrim” which is part of the Karak Eight Peaks Black library books series ( it might be a novella then an actual novel but I can’t remember) you get an excellent idea of what his character is like and he’s also no slouch in combat, the dude has an Axe of Grimnir. He also has an interesting relationship with Belegar Ironhammer too.
The Throne of Power he sits on is one of the most powerful runic artefacts the dwarfs have. It was originally created and gifted to by the Ancestor God Grungni to one of his sons, Snorri Whitebeard who would go on to become the very first High King of the dwarfs.
Edit: Gold sickness exists in Warhammer Fantasy very much… all dwarfs have a gold lust deep within them. Just read Gotrek & Felix or any Black Library novel about the dwarfs.
There is a really good example of a dwarf king during the War of Vengeance trilogy so consumed by the love of gold to the detriment of his hold.
I remember reading the Sundering Trilogy and it mentions the Dwarfs have like over 100 words for gold too. 😂
2:00 hehe you're one of us now brother
Dwarfs absolutely can become enamoured with riches, but this extends beyond gold. Anything sufficiently valuable is something they might covet, however this is usually limited to Gromril (the fantasy super-metal), gold, amd very good beer.
Thorgrim did get the name Grudgebearer because of his relationship with the Great Book of Grudges. I call it a relationship because he's read it multiple times and even slept with it to dream of clearing it of all of its grudges, even though that was an impossible task.
While Thorgrim is more diplomatic and will talk with the Elves, there are some things he's just not interested in hearing them on. When informed that there was a delegation of Elves there to ask for their Phoenix King's crown back (the Dwarfs took it after they killed the Elf King in the War of the Beard/War of Vengeance) Thorgrim pretended as if he hadn't heard the proclamation at all, and ignored the question of what he should tell them. This is because he still has Dwarf levels of pride and Dwarfs believe they should only give the crown back if the Phoenix King comes and literally begs for it himself (which the Elves are too proud to do).
The Lore of Metal going to Thorgrim made no sense in the End Times. Dwarfs are naturally resistant to magic and so it was just pure "because I said so" from the authors that caused that to happen. There's no rhyme of reason behind it that stands up to any level of scrutiny. It's even dumber when you remember how magic flowing through them is supposed to turn Dwarfs to stone because it's inherently incompatible.
Aside from how stupid it is that Thorgrim forgot to close the door behind him, the runes on Thorgrim's armour that protect him from exactly this attack are not just in the lore, they were in the gameplay! On the tabletop (before 8th edition anyway) Thorgrim was entirely immune to the poisoned attacks the Skaven used (including Deathmaster's poisoned attacks) thanks to this. Also, no there is nothing at all to explain why the rune doesn't work, the authors literally forgot he had it, just like the authors in the next book forgot that Sigvald can regenerate and so they go into detail about how minor injuries are so bad for him because they'd scar, and how his armour is getting dirty, when that goes against his entire character.
Speaking of the writers ignoring the whole 'dwarfs turn to stone by channeling raw magic' rule, it's not just Thorgrim who wound up an incarnate of one of the magical winds, Ungrim Ironfist wound up as the Incarnate of Ashqy (oh wow, give a redhead fire powers, the only way that could be any more stereotypical is if he had a worse temper than Khorne) while defending Karak Kadrin before causing a literal firestorm as a result of dying at the Battle of Averheim.
I had to cut out a remark about how I could make the claim that Kaldor Draigo's cameo was less moronic than a massive portion of the End Times because the only place where that self-insert of Matt Ward isn't universally hated by the fanbase of 40K is TTS.
It’s pretty much anything shiny, and valuable especially if it comes from the ground. There is blood gold which is especially valuable and dwarfs get all hot and bothered when they see it
@@discountplaguedoctor88 Yep. It also somehow resurrected him once before deciding not to do that again.
@@lich109 Hold on, where in the End Times did Ungrim die before being dragged back from the dead!? I had to check more than one wiki (NOT Wikipedia, I avoid using that website as much as possible), and none of them said anything about Ungrim dying before the Battle of Averheim.
@@discountplaguedoctor88 I'm very sorry about that, normally I'm very happy about my knowledge of the lore, but I hate the End Times so much I've only read most of it once and I confused the binding of winds from Karl, who died and then got the Wind of Heaven which somehow resurrected him (Sigmar possessing him is a later retcon that directly contradicts the lore from the second part of book 2) and what happened with Ungrim. That's my bad.
I've seen you with loremasterofSotek last time i've passed by. So now i come here say hello.
AAAAAND dwarves are the best. No question asked. B.E.S.T.
You really should watch his Halohammer series. He knows most of his viewers are more into 40k than Halo and he explains a lot about the factions he talks about in each video.
Dwarfs get mad as shit over the word short. Gotrek and Felix series is overflowing with the broken bodies of drunk people who made jokes/comments about gotrek being short (even though he is like 7ft tall by dwarf standards)
Human is Umgi and man made or badly build is Umgak
In khazalid “Umgi” means human people/s “umgak” means human (as in made by humans) it’s also the word for shoddy, badly made, poor craftsmanship
Thorgrim is a pretty liberal dwarf all things considered.
Luthor harkon approves of short folks
SHORT!
SHORT!
SHORT!
Can you react to a vox in the void video it's called waking dogs it's really good and there is a second part called broken chains
Oh yeah dwarf lore
Peppa pig: *sad* “Daddy.”
Peppa’s dad: “What’s wrong, Peppa?”
Peppa Pig: “They said I couldn’t go on any rides at the fair.”
Peppa’s dad: “And why is that?”
Peppa Pig: “They said I was too short”
Peppa’s Dad: *Thorgrim voice* “SHORT!?” *grabs book of grudges and an axe and leaves the house*
Peppa Pig: *Very confused*
You should watch Pancreas' elder scrolls videos too.