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This movie somehow managed to have the "Airplane falls out of sight, silence, then rises up" cliche with a craft without wings.
It always amused me that they're basically flying a giant battle pancake with a grip attachment.
@@jaggerra7 giant battle pancake may be the best name for the star ships I’ve heard yet-
Loool the same shot from Into Darkness 😄
All three films have the ship rising with the theme music in the background.
Agreed! So "already done". Nothing new or interesting about the Kelvin timeline.
Because of course you could start an engine that runs on anti-matter by forcing air through it!
I think it's pretty cool that even in times of desperation, everybody still has the decency to address the navigator and helmsman as "Mr. Chekov" and "Mr. Sulu". Nice touch and a great homage to tone of the television shows
Actually, they are not displaying “decency”, “Mister” is a common title bestowed upon junior officers (JOs, Ensign, LTjg, LT, LCDR) by their senior command officers (usually the XO and CO). Roddenberry loosely based his ranks on the US Navy rank system, and our Navy’s ranks originated from the Royal Navy. In the days of sail, using the term “Mister” was a way for the Captain to enforce upon the Junior wardroom members that they were not only Officers, but “gentlemen” as well…they were senior and “separate” from the common deck sailors. So, in this example, both Chekhov and Sulu are Junior Officers, thus the “Mr.” in front of their last name. And while Captain Kirk would address Spock and Scotty as Mr. Spock and Mr. Scott, they would never in turn, address their Captain as “Mr. Kirk”. If you did, you’d likely find yourself standing some extra mid-watches!. It was always odd to me that the JOs on Star Trek addressed Spock as Mr. Spock, versus XO. You may recall the pilot, where Majel Barrett (later Nurse Chapel), played “Number One”….and old Royal Navy term for the First Officer in command beneath the Commanding Officer. They did revive the Number One title, as CDR Riker was often referred to by Captain Picard.
Mister is a naval term for officers
what happened to the crew of the franklin
@@randomrazr they were turned into aliens
@@captaincoyote1792 Still stands, when shits hitting the fan they still use dumb military titles.
Fun fact: simulating microgravity by putting a craft in freefall has been around as long as we've had astronauts.
That is not simulating micro gravity, that is called a Zero G pushover.
That is not a fact and really isn't very fun.
@@luthahvelken4653it is a fact???
The design of the USS Franklin was paying respect to the time peroid of Captain Jonathan Archer which was fitting from the back story to Captain Edison, specifically speaking about fighting the Xindi and Romulan wars prior to James Kirk being the captain in the prime universe.
Though the ship (NX-01 Enterprise) that Captain Johnathan Archer had was much older and much. So that doesn’t make any since.
@@treyshuler4943 Okay. Please understand that ship design is incremental. The NX class was continued for quite a while with upgrades. The main baddy was originally a MACO on Archer's Enterprise, for the love of God...
I thought it was. Especially with that design!
Let's not forget this version of Scottie is responsible for killing archers dog
@@Thros1 No, he didn't! If you get the book treatment of the first Reboot movie, Porthos IV does in fact materialise on the Enterprise... after the events of the movie!
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"It would seem that we have developed *a very slow teleport!* -- Doctor Isaac Kleiner, after Gordon and Alyx take three weeks to teleport from Nova Prospekt to his lab in _Half-Life 2_
"We can't just jump-start it" indicating a near-impossible task.
45 seconds later....
Kirk: " Mr. Sulu...You can..you know.... fly this thing...right? "
Sulu: : Turns in disbelief......."Are you kiddin me sir?"
I was always hear that and think, "Between me, Scotty and Chekov we can take this thing completely apart and put it back together in a whole new shape. Fly it? C'mon."
Its old tech. Sulu surely knew how to fly an antique like how the average man with some level of intelligence and a bit of reading can easily fly a wright flyer.
@@RandomYT05_01 Not sure how you meant that... because the Wrights couldn't easily fly a Wright flyer.
@@JeffDeWitt remember he did specify some level of intelligence. The Wright brothers were considered to be insane!
@@EarlJohn61 Sure, because they did something most people thought couldn't be done. And the Wright Flyer was VERY difficult to fly, and barely flew at that, airplanes literally couldn't get any more primitive.
engine nacelles in tng: *breaks like glass*
engine nacelles in the kelvin timeline: *goes straight through three or more jagged cliffs*
Well, they do have that polarized hull plating concept that goes away with shield technology.
Not bad for a completely unshielded ship. Power scaling much?
Yeah...TNG way more believable.
I mean depending on the cliffs... if they are limestone they break if you look at them the wrong way. If they are granite or something like that, it is like a concrete wall.
That's because the federation designer used force fields as structural members. United Earth designers used reinforced armored plating.
It's like comparing an Iowa Class fast battleship against an arleigh burke destroyer. One has over a foot of armor and an armored citadel while the other has bullet-resistant glass.
If this was possible, why didn't Krall try it? Answer: Kirk is crazier than Krall ever was...
We could already tell back in the TOS show
Krall never knew where it went or- after a hundred years, forgot. Remember, his brain gets scrambled by the life energy absorption just like his body does.
Ship was in pretty bad shape after the crash. Jaylah stated that she spent pretty much all her time on that planet fixing it up. Why the crew couldnt have done that? Dont know. Plot hole there. Maybe lack of parts at the time?
A lot of this falls into the realm of "not designed for this" and "no idea if it would work" and having the personnel to try to do it. Essentially, you would need a crew that was skilled enough to do this in order to pull it off. The surviving crew at the moment looked like Krall (a captain), a covert operative and an officer. None of these seem to be skilled pilots like Sulu.
@@machdude3366 and what you're describing doesn't include a slightly better than average engineer, a somewhat intelligent science officer or a cunning linguistics expert.
In case you were wondering why a decades-abandoned Federation ship is still in a functional condition: Sulu doesn't dodge all the mountains. Mountains lose. Sulu keeps flying.
Federation ships are more sturdy than they appear.
@@Laeadern unlike the Ill fated Miranda class 😂
@@Slopmaster Oh, the Miranda is a damn tough design in her own right. The problem is she was getting sent against enemy ships decades to nearly a century more modern than her. It'd be like sending a Clemson-class destroyer against an Arleigh Burke.
The lady living in it had been doing repairs over a number of years I believe
@@Laeadern Nah . That ship was made by United Earth not the Federation . Back then ships were armored because shields were not invented yet . This is why Fed ships are in trouble when someone penetrates their shield like earlier in the movie . These ships though were just awesome
The U.S.S. Franklin, returning to the stars where she belongs. Loved this scene
Man, i love this scene on the movie, love to see old machines coming to life again, and even more in this case when this ships looks like a flying battleship.
The Franklin builder was the only starfleet ship builder ever to be smart enough to include a five point seat harness in the chairs...you never see the most useful feature ever again in a starfleet ship. 😂
Well of course not! How else could a crewman go flying up in the air when his console explodes? LOL!!
Uss Franklin, a callback to the Enterprise era and the NX class layout.
An accidental callback actually. The franklin originally had the nacelles underneath the saucer, more akin to a Miranda class but without the roll bar. This take off sequence wouldn't have worked though if the nacelles were underneath, so they were moved to the position seen in the final movie. It was a coincidence that it ended up looking like an old NX refit.
@@deadturret4049 Adding to that, during the concept stage of the movie, the region that the _Franklin_ was to have crashed in was originally a desert, _not mountains._ So the nacelles would have been buried when she was first seen, and then dramatically launched.
So the Franklin had an advanced feature that they forgot to include in every newer ship we've ever seen....SEAT BELTS.
There have been seatbelts/restraints in other Star Trek ships and shows.
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The enterprise also had seatbelts but they only deployed in emergencies for some reason
@@flyrockarts5182 So no combat action the Enterprise ever saw qualified as emergency enough to deploy the seat belts....that's just INTERESTING. LOL.
@@Turboy65 Fr, only time she ever deployed em was when her cells got ripped off by Krall's ships
@@flyrockarts5182well we did also see them deployed in darkness when the Enterprise was starting to free-fall into Earth after her core became misaligned.
Ah! The good ole' pop start trick! Let gravity generate enough speed so you can hit the gas and release the clutch in second gear. :)
respect at all time to the captain ……….”are you kidding me ,Sir.”
...Wow. A Starfleet vessel that actually has seatbelts.
Rare indeed 😂
That cast did a gr8 job replicating the TOS characters & banter👍
They certainly build that model tough, even slamming against rocks just broke part of the rock off. The first warp 4 starship I believe.
That's been true of every ST ship we have ever seen. We get so used to seeing them die easily in battle that we forget those battles have them slinging weapons that can split molecular bonds or have explosive yields that make WMDs seem like kid's firecrackers.
Remember when we saw the Enterprise-D Saucer crash on Veridian III, leaving a trail of destruction, yet the Saucer section was reasonably intact?
@@danielhaire6677 Yeah, these starships are built like tanks. Especially considering this is the universe that heavily militarized their starships.
Now think about the forces involved in a dust speck at light speed… Each speck packs the kinetic energy of a Hiroshima sized nuclear weapon…
@@allangibson8494believe LT. Tucker says it best, first atom we come across at warp will blow a fist sized hole through the hull.
The NX-01 was warp 5 long before the Franklin.
Enterprise
This engine was capable of speeds that finally made interstellar travel in more survivable periods possible - that is, in days, weeks or months, instead of years. Consequently, Humanity was able to construct its first warp 5 capable starship, Enterprise, completed in 2151.
Getting a futurama-vibe at the end😄
Death by snu snu? Oh, wait, wrong episode.
Now that needs to be a ride at Disneyland, Universal...
Hey who owns Star Trek now?
Paramount
"Don't forget to release the handbrake"
What I'd like is a show specifically about a ship like the Franklin; smaller vessel, less understood galaxy, small crew. A kind of Mass Effect scale story in Star Trek.
Wasn't that show called Star Trek: Enterprise?
Lower Decks.
0:31 love the way Sulu looks at his boss
"Any time mister Sulu!"
*...NOW MR. CHEKOV!!!*
‘You can... u know, fly this thing right?’
@@BigRookTrucking19 *you kidding me,sir?*
Yamaroshi ....Fantastic
I love the fact I used to own the joysticks used.
It is nice to see Captain Kirk and Commander Sulu finally getting on
Oops, classic misread on my part *"finally getting **-it-** on"*
It wouldnt be the Enterprise without a Sulu at the helm
Gostei muito dessa "USS Franklin" antiga e desatualizada. Mesmo sem escudos defletores possui uma casca dura e resistente, parece um navio encouraçado espacial.
E mesmo sem antigravidade decolou na força bruta, como um foguete. Só com a força dos propulsores de impulso e foguetes de manobra espacial.
Nave forte, bem forte.
*I really liked this old and outdated "USS Franklin". Even without deflector shields it has a hard and resistant shell, it looks like a space battleship.
And even without antigravity it took off in brute force, like a rocket. Only with the power of thrusters and space maneuver rockets.
Strong ship, very strong.
Are you kidding us with your name and comment?
@@WilbertLek I fail to see the issue.
@@lucinavonnolaran8728 Do you understand that language? There's an issue for you!
Você não poderia fazer o que acabei de fazer e reservar um tempo para traduzir no Google Tradutor? Se eu participasse de um fórum que fosse em português, eu colocaria meu comentário em português! Por que você não pode colocar seus comentários em inglês? Hum?
Você não poderia fazer o que acabei de fazer e reservar um tempo para traduzir no Google Tradutor? Se eu participasse de um fórum que fosse em português, eu colocaria meu comentário em português! Por que você não pode colocar seus comentários em inglês? Hum?
This is my favorite series of films. Hope they make more.
If a ship can survive the vacuum of space, the entry and exit of a planet's atmosphere and then not turn to dust at warp speed; it can probably survive brushing the paint on some dinky little mountain. Probably.
Ships built Tonka Tough.
Would have been nice to see the "USS Franklin" in other episodes or movies.
Always wished that, before the launch, they had a shot of interiors showing all the Enterprise crew working to fix the ship. There's supposed to be a few hundred crammed in there, after all
It's sad that the actor who played Chekov passed away.
This generation of Star Trek movies could have continued and become the next big sci-fi epic standing next to Star Wars and Dune.
That is Hikaru Sulu... he can fly a garbage truck if he has too.
Very good scene involving Sulu.
Why didn't the original crew think of this.
They didn't want to.
I love how the franklin resembles the Enterprise era ships, looking like some sort of kelvin timeline NX-01 refit. Turns out this wasnt intentional; the nacelles were originally under the saucer but it got flipped so this take off sequence could work, but its still fun to see something that resembles that era of star trek.
Actual seat belts.
what is feels like to run out of hydrogen in space engineers
Mr. Sulu, please avoid the rocks! - Scotty probably.
Zachary Quinto has the weirdest face ever. I swear😂
Leonard Nimoy's love child??
Lools like even with all of those inertial dampeners, they still felt all the Gs
I don’t think that was G force. Look at Uhuras earrings. Yes yes yes I know it was a filming mistake!
The Franklin looks very similar to the discovery
I thought it looked similar to the NX Enterprise.
The registery is NX-326 so it's definitely closer to the NX-01 than NCC-1031
The miracle is that the ship could still survive exiting the atmosphere and space after smashing down a mountain lol
For only having polarized hulls and no shields , that ship can take a beating
they dont build them like that any more
That's probably why!
Just goes to show.."Sulu is the star of the show. Other guys just along for the ride". .....!
Scotty: We Should Belt up
Wise words
Love these movies i can't wait to see star trek 4
Don't understand the Franklin haters re NX01 era.
The Franklin was the first warp 4 ship circa 2145.
Nx01 Warp 5 launched 2151
minor design style differences and the bridge window vs nx01 easily explained by contractor differences, ie like Grumman vs Convair vs McDonnell Douglas vs Lockheed in the 50s, 60s. Each had their own design "language" among their aircraft.
And I Like bridge window viewscreens 😮
Dumb sci-fi writer: "People in ship fall because ship falls down!"
Audience with IQ above room temperature: "But these ships have artificial gravity."
Dumb sci-fi writer: "Daddy got me my job."
So Krall and his crew spent 100 years mutating into reptiles and plotting revenge rather than just fixing the damn ship and leaving? And since no Federation ships ever went there in the Prime timeline did they just eventually die out waiting around on that planet like a bunch of idiots?
We see them using functional spaceships besides the franklin. They hung around because they wanted to figure out how to use the Doomsday weapon to become terrorists.
They were looking for the missing piece of the weapon.
Yes
How come I missed this part? I have to watch it again
The U.S.S Franklin design was based on the NX-01 from Star Trek: Enterprise
This movie was pretty great it reminded me of a two part episode of the show all in one.
This is Captain Connor MacCloud of the USS Enterprise NX-01
Better to burn out, than fade away
It would have been cool to have them find the old NX Enterprise
My guess is that was the original, preliminary idea. The fanbase would definitely have lost their minds seeing the old NX again. But making it work in the lore would be tough. Canonically Archer commanded the NX-01 all through the Romulan War, and partway through all the existing NX-class ships were upgraded to the Columbia-class, with a secondary hull more like their Constitution-class successors. Granted, none of that lore made it into canon format and is changeable, but it still means you've gotta explain why Admiral Archer (Who is still alive at this point) handed the keys to his beloved ship to a complete jackass who didn't believe ANY of the philosophy he fought so hard to uphold.
Can’t win ‘em all.
Wasn't it established somewhere that NX-01 wound up in a/the Fleet Museum or something?
Why are they leaning forward when they fall? Surely the Gforce would push them into their seats rather than make the lean forward?
And the inertial dampers appear to be offline. Oh well, sorry about pancaking everybody when the rest of the drives fire up!
Drag affects the outside but not the crew on the inside so they fall faster
Zero g planes have to be flown at a constant downwards velocity to counteract this
During falling, gravity is acting. So they are in forward leaning position.
As soon as the thrusters are fired, they experience the inertia, and thus get pushed back into their chair.
I dont see any physical laws being broken here
the ship is falling not flying, humans fall faster than the ship ergo they lean forward until the thrusters fire.
Because the people who wrote this scene clearly had no clue about Newtonian physics.
The crew should've become weightless the moment the starship broke free and started to fall. Because all objects, whether they are feathers, people or starships, fall with the same gravitational acceleration. In this scene, only when the air starts to slow the starship down (which is when it reaches terminal velocity) will the ship accelerate at a less rate then the people inside - meaning the crew would gradually start leaning forward in their seatbelts.
With all due respect, this was one of the worst Star Trek movies I've seen - and yes, I have been a Trekkie for decades.
We can't just jumpstart this thing.
Now here's an idea 🤣😂
This is the only movie or show since the end of TNG that has actually felt like Trek.
One quater impulse. Full impulse is a quater of light speed btw. So what should have happend is that the vaporized the mountain instandly, while buring the land in a 100 km radius shortly before the craft vaporizes into small particles. That is why you use thrusters inside an atmosphere and not impulse.
Say what you want about those films, but the cast was excellent!
These movies have aged well, man i hope we get more.
hey look. SEATBELTS on a starship😁
It was great to see the NX class again.
I'm being pedantic, sorry, but according to the wiki this (Freedom Class) is actually older than the NX, one version before as it's only able to manage warp 4. NX-01 was the first warp-5 capable Starfleet ship, if only just about able to manage warp 5 "on paper" to quote Tucker.
I was curious so looked it up.
@@fastertrackcreative thank you
2:08 I'm already talking to God preparing for heaven 😂😂😂
the best new crew . . all brilliant characters
Silly question - why the free fall to gain speed while the ship is solely flying on boosters and not as an airfoil. JJ Abrams Trek doesn't make any sense.
RIP Checkov.
Not a gravity race, in a kiddie car.
But close...
I've watched Star Trek for all of its life.
I always find it amuzing in movies ships are harder than rock while in real life even a slightest touch with something would make a spacehip go into million pieces.
"WE CANNAE JUST JUMP START HER CAP'N!!"
What exactly would need 'jump starting' in THEIR century for this to be a relatable concept to everyone?
They know how it works lol, they watched Oblivion that is aboard the New World Foundation. 🤩
Oh my god! They took them all! They've replaced them all by aliens!
Am I the only one to notice and qualify it for what it's worth?
I know one thing, I'm staying down here on Earth from now on.
Damn! My stepmother will be soooo mad at me!
Anyone else notice that when they were falling everyone thrust forward? Unless they had significant reverse thrust that should not have happened, they should have been in freefall which means roughly weightless. The thrust from the change from freefall to vertical should have put them through significant g forces, enough so that much of the crew may have blacked out.
I get it that this is fiction, but can't the writers/director at least consult someone who knows a little about astrophysics, heck startrek is big enough they could probably get an astronaut on speed dial.
Just a funthought, maybe the artificial gravitygenerator had a malfunction? ^^"
@@Kinsanth_ That is a fun thought, know what else is? Not having belts tying them down. Would love to have seen a flip done as they were falling. But I suppose that someone would have gotten hurt doing soo.
@@journal50 wow, someones really salty there
You're implying air resistance had nothing to do with it. The ship wasn't falling in a vacuum and was meeting air resistance which they weren't. Therefore their individual acceleration would have been greater than the ships hence why they fell forward in their seats
The G forces cannot be taken into account because all ships capable of warp has inertia dampeners: ie something to stop the crew from turning into paste when going to warp. And from preventing the crew from blacking out when the ship accelerates to full impulse cus remember, full impulse is one quarter lightspeed
I didn't know that any of the ships had 'seatbelts.' Since I have seen people falling all over the place for years.
Now that's what I call U turn
I'd argue that, technically, it wasn't a "jump start"... to jump start a vehicle, you hook the battery to another power source (like another battery), just like The Hammer di for The Logos in the Matrix sequel (I forget which one.)
Would this be more akin to a "clutch start", when you roll the car down a hill, and then pop the clutch while in second?
probably, all i can think of.
What you describe is, in fact, a "Jump," as in, "can I get a jump?" (when your battery is dead.)
A "Jump Start" is something different... it' was once a well known way to start a manual transmission car. It can only be done with a manual transmission. The driver puts the stick into 1st gear and depresses the clutch pedal, giving the car free reign. Another person (or persons...) push the car from behind as fast as possible, then the driver "pops the clutch" (quickly lets out the pedal). This puts the car into gear and jerks (jumps) the transmission which turns the engine crankshaft and hopefully starts the engine. We used to do it all the time with those old VW Beetles. A guy could get around fine for a month with a dead battery, so long as he had a buddy with him (or parked on a hill).
I'm 51 years old, and I learned on a stick (a '78 Honda Civic). I know what a "clutch start" is. I was just making a tongue-in-cheek joke that a clutch-start (using the clutch in a standard car) is different from a "jump start" (hooking your car's battery to another car battery to borrow the electricity).
No worries. :)
@@leighguptill9244 I'm 57 and live in the UK. What you call a clutch start we called a bump start when I was younger🙂
The original USS Franklin crew couldn’t have done this to escape the planet?
They didn't care.
I think it's more that they couldn't have, For one, The ship wasn't designed for flying in atmosphere, And it was incredibly slim for the Enterprise crew to make it out, maybe they didn't want to take that risk.
Two, the ships been there for over 100 years, it's possible that there wasn't enough space for them to take off, and over those 100+ years, water eroded the mountain, giving the Enterprise crew just enough room to escape.
three: The ship was damaged, and the original crew of the Franklin didn't have the knowledge, or sheer skill of engineers like Scotty, so they possibly couldn't repair it.
Four: Their ship had just crashed there, they could have been in shock and drove in into their own minds that "The ship crashed, there's no way its functional enough to take off again"
That Uhura is one stunning woman.
Rip Anton
Just dump the clutch and pump the throttle a couple times. Nothing like roll starting your spaceship
BTW...This movie was a HUGE FLOP at the box office. Thats the real reason there hasn't been another Star Trek sequel. JJ has managed to kill two huge movie franchises.
I love how the crew was so bored, they were faking the force impact on them, even tho they are in a spaceship with gforce stabilizers.
The old girl still have it!!
The Jar Jar Abrams movies got worse with each iteration.
Ya know, technically this was a super unnecessary risk. Reaching terminal velocity is actually a super simple equation you just plug and play given variables they 100% would have had.
The reason this is all a callback to the prequel series _Enterprise_ is because that's the only Star Trek series that was unaffected by the Kelvin timeline switch..
The nx01 resemblance was apparently a coincidence. The Franklin's design was altered late into production to make the take-off sequence work (nacelles were originally under the saucer) and it ended up looking like an enterprise era nx ship largely by happenstance.
Also, while the NX registry on the Franklin is most likely a callback, its not unique to ST: Enterprise. The USS Excelsior from Star Trek 3 was originally registed as NX-2000.
I can’t take mr sulu actor seriously. All I hear is is famous line from American pie. “Milf!” 😂🤣
Seems like Star Trek and Star Wars are making their hero ships practically indestructable, able to.smash into.terraim and not shatter into a million pieces.
The question is What really happened to the uss franklin??
USS Franklin lore states the ship got caught in a wormhole displacement..
@@Gade757 and crashed landed on planet altamid and no one came to rescue they thought the federation abandoned them
Ben Franklin, an old friend of the families of the Adams. The last few moments of this clip you can hear an church bell pealing. The sound of Freedom and Justice, if you may.
Cliche. And there's no churches in Star Trek, thankfully. Humanity evolved past that.
Which movie is this from.i don't ever recall seeing it.
It doesn't make sense BUT it's interesting.
Ah yes, jumpstarting a matter/antimatter reaction, on a century old spaceship designed to operate exclusively in space and quite frankly doesnt have any business being in an atmosphere (to say nothing about it having actually landed on a planet somehow) by throwing it off a mountain to get up to a certain speed for some random space engine part to work, makes so much sense.
Fusion engine not matter-antimatter , also Enterprise has been shown doing atmospheric flight in the " Tomorrow is yesterday " episode.
@@cyborghobo9717 I fail to see how it being fusion powered makes the slightest difference. The 1701 Enterprise example is fair enough, and a contemporary to the Franklin, the NX-01, did some atmospheric flight and combat after getting shot full of holes
Don't take the jumpstart reference literally
I would have def crapped 🚽in my shorts during the free fall
Jon cho face at 2:34 something out of fast and furious
Saucer sections full of hidden chemical rockets was the dumbest thing the Kelvin Universe added to Star Trek. 🙄
Pucker factor at maximum Captain.