A shaman in Belize "blamed" an alligator rescue site owned by two Canadians for the disappearance of a child. The village burned/tore down/looted the Sanctuary. Fortunately, the Canadians were at home and no one was on the site. This happened recently. Shamans in rural/remote and cultural venues still exist today, and operate as they did 1,000 years ago.
Not surprised, you can go to a lot of places build a clinic, staff it with good people and if something happens the community can turn on you in a moment.
Thank you my friend I am very happy to have run into your channel. It is amazing how things happen over and over again through our history.they learn to adapt for a while and then everyone forgets and goes on and it happens again and again. Thank you for all your work
It's very common in the Philippines today to hire spiritual doctors to thwart spells and hexes from others. In fact it's not uncommon for people to be killed if someone believes they've been hexed.
I’m gonna be a bit of a broken record, since this is the third comment on this channel I’ve left about slings. I’ll refrain from doing so again, but here’s the beef. You mentioned that because of the weapons that these were close range affairs, and likely so. However, slings can be a pretty far ranged. If you factor in those, you can have a bit of a wider mix. Slings might have been in the American continents since they were settled, though it’s impossible to know. We do know that the West Coast of North America has the oldest biconicals (American football shaped), some from sites possibly going back as far as 13,000 years ago (Mt. Hebron and Borax Lake sites). The Western U.S. also has one of the oldest surviving slings, the lovelock cave sling, was found around the neck of a mummified child and dated back to 3200 years ago. It’s also notable that biconicals were also present in the site. There are a number of other sites that have biconicals. What make their presence interesting is that biconicals found in other parts of the world are typically always associated with use in conflict. Robert and Gigi York (authors of a book on the subject) suggest that that wounds in the skeletons found, like those on the skull of Kennewick man, may or may not indicate injuries from sling stones. The West and Southwest also has a number of surviving slings and accounts even into relatively recent times. In the eastern United States and southeast the evidence is a lot spottier. The only references to slings in combat was an attack described by Cabeza de Vaca in 1528. De Soto and Champlain both reference stone throwing by defenders in settlements, but the method of projection, by hand or sling, is not given. However, we have a few surviving references to slinging outside of warfare. There’s an incident attested by an Indian agent in Georgia of a creek boy accidentally killing another with a sling in 1798, and we also have a few surviving examples like a Seneca sling from 1905. There are a number of other references that seem suggest sling usage over the area, but leaves it unclear if it was used in conflict before colonization. However, it is pretty telling that it’s memory and use survived even into the 20th century. As for archaeology, there are a few sites that might be slingstones. Robert and Gigi York suggest that the magnetite (which seems like it would be too expensive for that) and stone balls found in a Roanoke River site in Virginia by Carl F. Miller are sling stones. There are balls from a site near Charleston, Missouri that are made of clay and even identified by the archaeologists as potential sling stones, an interpretation that has apparently been challenged. The poverty point objects are also another can of worms. So unfortunately in the East, there hasn’t been as much luck with archaeology. Maybe there’s more to be looked into, maybe not. The source used for this was Robert and Gigi York’s book “Slings and Slingstones: The Forgotten Weapons of Oceania and the Americas” and a few of their articles. There are a also a few other articles on this subject by other researchers, but the Yorks are the most comprehensive. Unfortunately they are limited to what has been collected and observed by archaeologists, and they had to painstakingly research studies that didn’t even recognize or suggest what the objects were. Inevitably there’s so much they likely missed. I guess my passion for this is driven by my interest in slings in general, but also that it’s an ignored subject. For some reason exceptionally so in North America. In the grand scheme of things in archaeology it doesn’t really matter, there are bigger questions to answer and more relevant things in the day to day life. However, it feels that something has been accidentally left out and it doesn’t feel right. Some words that constantly show up in the York’s book is “more research is needed”. Alright, I’m done. That was too long. No more sling comments.
Interesting. I’ve concluded that the apparent disinterest (sometimes that’s putting it lightly). in native on native warfare is more in the service of maintaining a preferred oppressor oppressed narrative than anything else. The Chaco canyon cannibalism discovery is another example. If an existing group claims and bases its identity on an oppressed status and claim to a specific geography then it is shown that they in fact carried on the same action to a previously occupying group, where does that leave all of us? Human brutishness seems intrinsic to human existence no matter where you look.
Thanks for your insights , I am fascinated with people and time especially in the pre-contact America's , Neolithic's in general ,Neanderthals . Hope you keep the videos coming . I haven't watched all the video's yet , but find you full of common sense and easy to understand . I might bug ya with some questions from time to time , don't feel like you have to reply I can watch the videos. I've heard you comment on Ancient aliens , what bothers me most about those folks is whenever there is something really interesting , they just say "aliens must of done it". I do wish there was more in depth information on how earlier man accomplished such feats , but I do believe they did it on their own. Question. What do you estimate the populations of the Americas was previous to contact with Europeans ? I have lived on a lake in east Texas for most of my life and the amount of "arrow heads" found washed out out ground or washed up on the banks has got to be in the tens or hundreds of thousands over the years, just amazing to think about the generations of peoples. Question. What have you been working on in north Texas ? been there awhile seems like.
Hey Dan! welcome to the channel. It's REALLY hard to say what populations were like prehistorically. but you might think of it this way. At its height, the city of Cahokia had a higher population than London. the populations were probably only a little lower than those in Europe, so it must have been in the millions of people. I can't really talk about what we were working on out there just yet. I should be able to talk about it sometime in the spring and I'll make a video talking about that when the excavation is complete.
How about slaves, sacrifice candidates, jade, jaguar pelts. What's this poster claiming? That it started with Pizzaro and the Spanish boys coming to town?? uh, No.
READ John Smith's diary of the Vancouver Island tribes warfare, taking of slaves, trading among the seven tribes including the "whale hunters' of the Olympic Peninsula, and while this happened as the Spanish and English arrived it nonetheless was very much a "native" thing in their culture. completely separate from their interaction with the "white man" on Vancouver Island.
A shaman in Belize "blamed" an alligator rescue site owned by two Canadians for the disappearance of a child. The village burned/tore down/looted the Sanctuary. Fortunately, the Canadians were at home and no one was on the site. This happened recently. Shamans in rural/remote and cultural venues still exist today, and operate as they did 1,000 years ago.
Not surprised, you can go to a lot of places build a clinic, staff it with good people and if something happens the community can turn on you in a moment.
Thank you my friend I am very happy to have run into your channel. It is amazing how things happen over and over again through our history.they learn to adapt for a while and then everyone forgets and goes on and it happens again and again. Thank you for all your work
I love these! Keep going, your channel will grow soon enough
It's been steady for something so niche.
It's very common in the Philippines today to hire spiritual doctors to thwart spells and hexes from others. In fact it's not uncommon for people to be killed if someone believes they've been hexed.
I’m gonna be a bit of a broken record, since this is the third comment on this channel I’ve left about slings. I’ll refrain from doing so again, but here’s the beef.
You mentioned that because of the weapons that these were close range affairs, and likely so. However, slings can be a pretty far ranged. If you factor in those, you can have a bit of a wider mix.
Slings might have been in the American continents since they were settled, though it’s impossible to know. We do know that the West Coast of North America has the oldest biconicals (American football shaped), some from sites possibly going back as far as 13,000 years ago (Mt. Hebron and Borax Lake sites). The Western U.S. also has one of the oldest surviving slings, the lovelock cave sling, was found around the neck of a mummified child and dated back to 3200 years ago. It’s also notable that biconicals were also present in the site. There are a number of other sites that have biconicals. What make their presence interesting is that biconicals found in other parts of the world are typically always associated with use in conflict. Robert and Gigi York (authors of a book on the subject) suggest that that wounds in the skeletons found, like those on the skull of Kennewick man, may or may not indicate injuries from sling stones. The West and Southwest also has a number of surviving slings and accounts even into relatively recent times.
In the eastern United States and southeast the evidence is a lot spottier. The only references to slings in combat was an attack described by Cabeza de Vaca in 1528. De Soto and Champlain both reference stone throwing by defenders in settlements, but the method of projection, by hand or sling, is not given. However, we have a few surviving references to slinging outside of warfare. There’s an incident attested by an Indian agent in Georgia of a creek boy accidentally killing another with a sling in 1798, and we also have a few surviving examples like a Seneca sling from 1905. There are a number of other references that seem suggest sling usage over the area, but leaves it unclear if it was used in conflict before colonization. However, it is pretty telling that it’s memory and use survived even into the 20th century. As for archaeology, there are a few sites that might be slingstones. Robert and Gigi York suggest that the magnetite (which seems like it would be too expensive for that) and stone balls found in a Roanoke River site in Virginia by Carl F. Miller are sling stones. There are balls from a site near Charleston, Missouri that are made of clay and even identified by the archaeologists as potential sling stones, an interpretation that has apparently been challenged. The poverty point objects are also another can of worms. So unfortunately in the East, there hasn’t been as much luck with archaeology. Maybe there’s more to be looked into, maybe not.
The source used for this was Robert and Gigi York’s book “Slings and Slingstones: The Forgotten Weapons of Oceania and the Americas” and a few of their articles. There are a also a few other articles on this subject by other researchers, but the Yorks are the most comprehensive. Unfortunately they are limited to what has been collected and observed by archaeologists, and they had to painstakingly research studies that didn’t even recognize or suggest what the objects were. Inevitably there’s so much they likely missed.
I guess my passion for this is driven by my interest in slings in general, but also that it’s an ignored subject. For some reason exceptionally so in North America. In the grand scheme of things in archaeology it doesn’t really matter, there are bigger questions to answer and more relevant things in the day to day life. However, it feels that something has been accidentally left out and it doesn’t feel right. Some words that constantly show up in the York’s book is “more research is needed”.
Alright, I’m done. That was too long. No more sling comments.
I typed in crow creek massacre and u popped up. Glad I found you.
Hey now,very nice uploads,full of facts, thanks for your work/show,🐺and true I saw guitar's back there I bet you can play "banded clovis"♠️
Interesting. I’ve concluded that the apparent disinterest (sometimes that’s putting it lightly). in native on native warfare is more in the service of maintaining a preferred oppressor oppressed narrative than anything else. The Chaco canyon cannibalism discovery is another example. If an existing group claims and bases its identity on an oppressed status and claim to a specific geography then it is shown that they in fact carried on the same action to a previously occupying group, where does that leave all of us? Human brutishness seems intrinsic to human existence no matter where you look.
Thanks for your insights , I am fascinated with people and time especially in the pre-contact America's , Neolithic's in general ,Neanderthals . Hope you keep the videos coming . I haven't watched all the video's yet , but find you full of common sense and easy to understand . I might bug ya with some questions from time to time , don't feel like you have to reply I can watch the videos.
I've heard you comment on Ancient aliens , what bothers me most about those folks is whenever there is something really interesting , they just say "aliens must of done it". I do wish there was more in depth information on how earlier man accomplished such feats , but I do believe they did it on their own.
Question. What do you estimate the populations of the Americas was previous to contact with Europeans ? I have lived on a lake in east Texas for most of my life and the amount of "arrow heads" found washed out out ground or washed up on the banks has got to be in the tens or hundreds of thousands over the years, just amazing to think about the generations of peoples.
Question. What have you been working on in north Texas ? been there awhile seems like.
Hey Dan! welcome to the channel. It's REALLY hard to say what populations were like prehistorically. but you might think of it this way. At its height, the city of Cahokia had a higher population than London. the populations were probably only a little lower than those in Europe, so it must have been in the millions of people.
I can't really talk about what we were working on out there just yet. I should be able to talk about it sometime in the spring and I'll make a video talking about that when the excavation is complete.
That's an interesting observation regarding the historical aversion to focusing on conflict/warfare due to 'political incorrectness'.
That wasn't why.
I'm working a CRM position right now, in Chamberlain South Dakota not far from where the massacre took place.
Are there any good books on warfare you would recommend?
"North American Indigenous Warfare and Ritual Violence"
This is great!
any comment on Wayne May's work on early warfare in northern america?
Don't know who that is.
Best Insomnium song imo
Down With the Sun or Revelation for me.
They don't know the exact site of The Battle of Hastings.
Just for those who don't know.
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Material was not fought over ….. until contact started their onslaughts of murder for gold …!!!
Why does it matter what people kill each other for?
How about slaves, sacrifice candidates, jade, jaguar pelts. What's this poster claiming? That it started with Pizzaro and the Spanish boys coming to town?? uh, No.
READ John Smith's diary of the Vancouver Island tribes warfare, taking of slaves, trading among the seven tribes including the "whale hunters' of the Olympic Peninsula, and while this happened as the Spanish and English arrived it nonetheless was very much a "native" thing in their culture. completely separate from their interaction with the "white man" on Vancouver Island.
Nathanael.
Play guitar.
Trapper.
No.
They should have gotten a much earlier start on this and now we are stuck with this noble savage myth about my ancestors.