This is video isn't meant to tell you which weapon type to play with, when we speedrun MHW we never even compare our times across weapon types. This was just inform the community that in MHW there is no weapon balance, and some weapons are just miles ahead better than others in literally every situation.
I feel like my dps is nutty with aerial hammer I find it hard to believe its not one of the fastest weapons but hey I'm no speed runner I'll take your word for it
@@spartantebow Here's the thing about "nutty DPS": there's speed-running "nutty" and then there's reasonable "nutty." The fact that LBG got a sub 3-minute on AT Teostra was due to ledge-canceling and some good set-ups and RNG. But, there's no way that it performs that well consistently, and you'll most likely be able to do as well, if not better, with a weapon that you're comfortable with (like hammer). This is why Capcom should never balance weapons based on speed-run times.
@@tuloong3807 Yes but I also calculated total time rankings accross all archs, meaning that although Lance placing avg beat GL slightly, GL was close behind. And when it lost, it lost hard. Either way they both E tier.
Ur full of shit for trying to say that some weapons are better than every other weapon in every situation. Every single weapon has its place and can surpass other weapons in the millions of situations. U can’t say that simply because it can speedrun well, it’s better than every other weapon. That’s complete bullshit
I agree with pretty much every ranking in this video. But for any casual players who main F and E tier weapons: don't be discouraged. If you are able to consistently play well with a weapon of your choice, you're golden. Besides, comparing weapons that are so different is pretty futile unless you're looking at speedrun times. In the end, just use whatever you want, and if you're able to get an amazing hunting horn time, then fuck yeah.
This is very true. This coming from a guy who's main weapons are low tier. Four out of the five weapons I use are in D tier and below. That being Switch Axe, Lance, Insect Glaive, and SnS. 5th is Long sword because WEEB POWERS ACTIVATE!
Bunnykiller109 now that would be an interesting new weapon type. Fitting since a fishing rod is a tool for hunting fish. In other words fishing. Oxymoron, I know lol.
Uses don’t mean anything if you’re running and neither does HR. I’m at about 2000 uses- probably more than that actually due to frequent resets yet I’m still not nearly as capable as some of the runners out there today like Qua, Griffted, Deus, or Olga. I repeat HR and uses does not matter in in runs🤣
Pathetic in speedrun indeed,but in most daily usage HH is the most complex weapon,you not only button smash monster head but really do planning every single hit and flow of the game,be proud man :)
@@Kamau_gaming You forget もっぽろん , he/she play the doot-doot agressively (hence not as clean as Qua). Some of his/her runs have faster clearing time than Qua. Qua is still my Doot-God though.
@@PhantomGamZ mate ,to get any damage on a monster you need to know how to set yourself up with greatsword,simply doing combos doesnt make it complicated ,as a person who mains both ,I found longsword pretty easy to pick up.not to say longsword is bad,it's just not complicated . I recommend you at least try out a weapon before trash talking.
@@PhantomGamZ as a guy who can play 11/14 weapons of this game, GS requires alot more skill than the LS. LS just evades any and all dmg with a move that combos into a bar upgrade ( the main way to hit the red bar) as well as good defense and offense ( getting even more dmg in iceborne) and amazing mobility. GS requires setup, predicting, bad defense and ledge sword is gone in iceborne. Everything however, is made up with ungodly amounts of dmg. TL;DR GS is much harder than LS
I hope people don't take this out of context and claim that you are saying people shouldn't play the low tier speedrun weapons. I play ig. I know it doesn't get kill times like bowguns. But damn is it fun.
I don't like the damage output anymore, but when I started World I was getting stomped by everything with the Charge Blade, so I switched to the IG and it's the reason I'm actually decent at MHW now. IG will always have a special place in my heart
@@edge21str theres really no meta yet until all the sets are unlocked and decos are discovered. I tried AGS and it still isnt too bad. Of course with hammer it's juicy
Please understand everyone that every single weapon in this game is viable. No single weapon is “bad,” if you can kill a monster without farting every time you walk up to it, then your a true hunter. Even hunting horn does absurd damage if you stack it’s buffs and stun a monster on the noggin. Play your way. Have fun. These are just speedrunning tiers. 👌🏽
This is all fine and dandy, but when people say there's no tiers, they're referring to regular Monster Hunter. Speedrunning Monster Hunter isn't regular Monster Hunter, as this game doesn't really reward you for speedrunning. The difference in clear times generally isn't large enough for regular players to care. But yeah there's definitely balance issues, that's nothin' new to Monster Hunter haha
Your argument is this isn't true because good players isn't the same as not good players? There are tiers, it's a fact of life. Every weapon is viable for FUN, but there's a clear effectiveness that denying it is just pointless.
@@TheHeartThatRunsCold By time you've hunted a monster enough to know it's patterns well enough to speedrun it well, you've very likely gotten everything you need from it. Also a hunt taking a bit longer doesn't necessarily mean you're spending more resources.
@@thatrandomguyo1 I literally said there are weapon balance issues, but the difference isn't large enough to people just playing the game normally. The clear time difference is generally at most, a few extra minutes as far as I can tell. I never denied that there are tiers, I'm explaining what people mean when they say that.
I wholeheartedly agree with your ranking. It’s a shame so many weapons are so poorly designed or balanced compared to its godly brethren. I especially enjoy hammer too, since it’s just so well designed. All the weapons got some crazy new style in world to adapt to new monsters, which is highly appreciated, but it’s fairly obvious which got more love and which got ignored.
this tier lust show what are the best weapons for speedrun, basically the best for calculated runs, its not like some weapons are bad but the true shine of them is when you play it for fun.
When the rankings for GS came up O.o all 1st or 2nd places holy crap! Great video, loved to here a pro speedrunner's thoughts on each weapon. As a more casual player I have my own tier list that fits how I play, but this was nice to see how a true Monster Hunter Optimizer would rate them. The skill ceiling on some of these weapons is so much higher than many know. Great & informative video!
As a hh main, I think switch axe got an unfair ranking, the only reason you feel the moves with the weapon are “all over the place” is because (and I mean this with no negativity) it just requires a lot more skill than people think, you can’t just run up to the monster and use sword until your gauge runs out, you need to understand each move and be able to quickly decide wich one is best for the current situation. For example if the monster is stunned most people will run up to the monster and use sword mode on the head or tail, but I honestly think there are far more options - tenderise a part and slice with sword mode -switch into axe mode and use that move were you constantly swing our axe(this is actually your best move for stun and part damage and is actually really effective) -you can clutch onto face and use a fake ZSD to build up sword gauge and then use a real ZSD(ZSD the move were you stab into the monster and do you stongest attack) I mean that’s just some thing I thought of rn but there are actually a lot more options that I’m sure a swaxe main can think of. My point is for speed runs this weapon is good at best if you don’t know how to use the weapon, but if you know what your doing I’ll argue it’s the best in the game, and probably consists of the most skilled hunters imo
As someone who just started making MHW TA videos, this was very interesting to see! I have been playing this game casually since launch so I am looking up any and info to up my hunt, and this was very helpful, even though I don't know how much I will use since I am still just doing it for fun. Still great stuff! Thanks for linking that discord link too!
I'm sorry. Anyone who says that Lance has low mobility, does not understand or know how to use the Lance. I do agree the Lance does lack in damage though.
Bruh switch axe needs a fat buff. As you said , high risk , low reward. I'm a monster hunter noob , i only played world for like 300 hours. I played through the entire story with switch axe but damn when i made a gun lance and lance i could very easily beat every monster easily, even if it took long , it was a guarantee win.
the damage is fine with SA but some moves need to be more fluid, allow evading between some combos for example, add a guardpoint(its a huge weapon you can gaurd with it right?), SA has a lot of potential but capcom is not giving it enough attention.
@@arshadzaidi4667 It depends how you want to play. This is a speedrun tier list not a normal tier list. If you say that Hunting Horn, Lance, etc. are bad because they are bad for speedruns than that means you are probably a bad player. Do you even know how many times speedruner have to reset the quest because they failed.
@@jackbordar2727 exactly. Which is why i always say. Yea some weapons are better than others in every aspect...assuming that player playing them plays them to the best of their ability every single time. A master HH player can outplay every weapon on this list if the players playing the listed weapons are slacking. And finally, as you mentioned this is a speedrunning list. Speedrunners go through hella attempts to make one good run (which in turn renders a lot of points in the vid being made about these weapons irrelevant). In real gameplay your skill determines how good a weapon is.
@@jackbordar2727 Bruh what are you talking about? Hunting Horn is objectively worse than pretty much every other weapon. I'm not saying it's unusable, but that doesn't make it a good weapon lol.
As a GS main since MHFU, I practically shed tears of joy when I realized how easily i could spam the aerial charge. The first time I did a tempered daora in like 6 minutes, I realized how crazy it really was. Also the first time I saw true charge damage, I almost dropped a brick on the spot. And DAT tackle! So happy with the GS changes in this game. With one issue. I need them to fix elemental GS. Right now there's no reason to even use anything other than impact. I miss having tons of builds with different GS based on elemental weakness. I thought maybe we'd get something worthwhile with the KJARR stuff but nope, the GSs don't go to white sharpness, and still need higher elemental values. It's also moronic that there's a cap on elemental attack. Especially for GS which only makes the problem worse. I'm just *sigh* resigned to the fact that I'm gonna be running raw damage for the rest of my life.
I do agree with your point on IG capcom seems to keep pushing the concept of bringing it to the air for IG when it could do alot on the ground as well.
They'd need a hefty buff for aerial motion values to compete with ground combos. IMO they should buff aerial attacks so elemental IG can actually be viable. Also, maybe extend triple buff time so you don't need to rebuff as often during the fight, on top of managing mantles, sharpness and powders
Hello. I'm from the future. Clearly TSC made tier list too soon, because he wanted to simp for aerial GS so hard. The reality is HBG is #1, beating aerial GS in almost all cases. Also TSC excluded Behemoth and EX Behemoth, because GS completely sucks at those fights to feed his narrative, while true top tier weapons (HBG and Bow) have no problem killing Behemoth. New HBG rankings, last two for Behemoth: 1/2/1/1/1/1/1 (/2/2)
Great video I am so happy with your content, thou there’s one thing I’d point out. You spoke about GS when in reality it’s just Wyvern Impact, the rest of those poor bastards (except a few cases with Anguish) is nowhere close to that powerhouse and when I think that’s just a dlc, man that drives me mad.
"A game is no fun if it's fair." -Masahiro Sakurai (creator of Super Smash Bros.) What he means is that if everything was balanced, then the game would just become boring and the same throughout.
Yeah but this is a pve game. We don't even compare between weapon classes. Being unbalanced doesn't bring any fun into the table. *cries in Hunting Horn
Okay but capcom shouldn't balance weapons based on speed run times for obvious reasons. A lot of the high tier weapons have a lot of meta involved in their run times and the average person with no grasp of the meta will not perform with those numbers
And you know monster hunter wasn't ever really supposed to be a speed run game. The whole point is to like hunt the monster, not how fast can you kill them.
@@pedrito890 we are getting a buff in iceborn. Though as a hh main I'd say we are just as strong as other weapons. Our self improvement song provides frankly the best skill in the game for no cost
@@AhChaac I'd beg to disagree, yes it's true that our damage output is not the best. But we have one thing over other weapons and that is consistancy. Woth minds eye we dont have to worry about bouncing (so our damage output doesnt slow)and our buffs to ourselves make us outlast every weapon. Just because a weapon doesnt have as high of numbers doesnt mean it isnt strong. We dont rely on charging, stamina, reloading, or any type of meter we are just damage. I play with a chargeblade/gunlance user and a dualie/hbg. While they may get better numbers I can keep the heat on the monster because I don't have to worry about side things they do, the hh gimmick relies on us being up close and personal
I main insect glacier, and it’s actually pretty good for airside. As it makes you impossible to hit by ground attacks and makes it incredibly easy to get mounts to do good damage.
we all know what ig can do, this isn't an intro video to what each weapon does. This video is showing what each weapon severely lacks/overtly packs in terms of ability to dish out dmg.
Solid tier list. I play over half the weapons in this game and this sums up my results on average pretty well. Though I gotta be in honest in admitting that the real reason I favour GS above all is cause the true charge feels so god damn good to land.
Good video, however I do have a question regarding IG speedrun representation, does ZebraQuake not count as a speedrunner? Also, his run times using IG on AT monsters seem very comparable to some of the Sns, and LS I've seen. Anyway, all the changes coming in Icebourne is going to be fun. Take care.
Zebra is a runner yes. He actually doesn't even like world so he doesnt play it much. Like TSC unfortunately there isnt much IG representation but based on the times we do have that's why IG is where it is
Been using great sword since monster hunter 1 on ps2 and have never looked back. Love the new moves they’ve added to it over the years. The best weapon type ever
Great video. If you make similar ranking videos in the future I'd put them on the chart left to right since the second you did insect glaive I knew the next 3 weapons were all going into E tier since there were 3 spaces open. Takes some of the fun of the reveal away.
I agree with about every single placement except cb I have gotten insanely fast speed run times with it and I think it has deserved at least a teir. Btw awesome vid.
Great video TSC, always love when you make those videos about speed running. About all weapons with pros and cons, and how they perform against monsters. Really can't wait to Iceborne and the amazing content that you will make :D
Imagine being a MHW player a year ago, and finding out that not only did Spread get _zero_ nerfs in Iceborne, but they also made a Glutton 2.0, a Glutton 3.0, *AND* a Glutton 4.0, each more broken than the last, and they also added Special Scope which gives a 30% damage bonus even though it's already the highest DPS weapon by far without that buff.
But it takes time to master the weapon. You basically exchange your mobility and dexterity into high amount of damage output. Unlike its virgin brother the long sword
Yes this is what were lookin for! still i have the opinion i think all weapons have a meta to abuse and make it extremely powerful Keep this kind of stuff comin awesome, too bad i can give only 1 like✌🏽😎
Great video bud. Really hopefully the changes to SA give the weapon what it needs to compete. I think the increased ability to KO could open up a lot more opportunity to control monster movement. Edit: Im a dumbass the Charged Axe mode just does increased damage.
@@TSCspeedruns Jup. The Jagras Switchaxe with exhaust phial can. Maybe SA can get really good trips in Iceborne. Tenderize one leg and go to town with the buffed axe, which has buffed stagger. Wishful thinking.
I get what you getting at here, but I feel that you have greatly misrepresented the weapons here. I get that for speedrunning they aren’t balanced, but they’re not MADE specifically for speedruns. Many that are low ranked are for support, therefore multiplayer which just doesn’t apply. You’re way to hard on the dev team, because you’re only seeing it from one perspective. Just my opinion though.
Vietnam Gamer It’s not that he ‘misinterpreted’ the weapons, rather, he is simply looking at the damage output and speed running potential of solo hunts. He explicitly stated that this tier list was created by how useful it would be in a speed running hunt, not by its usage in a multiple-player environment. That is why weapons such as Insect Glaive and Hunting Horn are so low on the list, because the list itself focuses on damage output rather than potential in a teamed hunt. Insect Glaive, for example, would be much more useful in a teamed hunt, as it allows for healing buffs for players and has mounting capabilities, but would not be a suitable weapon for damage dealing in a solo hunt. Long Sword, however, would be much lower on the list, as it’s capabilities would be useless in comparison to Great Sword, who deals more damage overall. If the listing of the weapons had been generally, I would normally agree. It is just that this list was not created to rank the weapons based off of a normal hunt’s environment, but rather, how they fare in a solo-hunt based on damage output.
Huh As a Greatsword main, I 1. Didn't realize that it's airial attacks were so OP 2. Was expecting to be really low, since it is one of the slowest weapons in the game (especially if you miss)
This is exactly why I’m excited to see what happens when Iceborne comes out. With the new note and the offensive melody (not to mention the changes to speed and motion value of other attacks), I can 5 star guarantee that its capabilities for speed running will drastically change. Also, it’s a ton of fun in Iceborne.
Will you do a video for TA rules? I think it would be very very interesting to compare with the non-TA rules list and many people would be interested to look at the placement changes and reasons why certain weapons move up or down with the ruleset.
@@TSCspeedruns I was under the impression that a lot of speedruns don't actually get submitted to TAwiki proper, is that the case or did I get the wrong impression?
@@TSCspeedruns That's a shame, still I really enjoyed this video and all your other videos educating people about MHW's metagame, they're all entertaining and taught me things I never knew.
what killed MHW for me were the playstyles of all these weapons. One of the biggest things that I enjoyed in MH is slowly getting better and improving my own match-ups with the monsters, building hyper-specialized sets for monster or even quest. But in World, the optimal playstyles for half of the weapons are just incredibly boring. For GS you just spammed the shoulder cancel and finisher, for CB you just spammed SAED, for LS you just spammed the counter and the jumping move, for SnS you spammed one move, ect. The only weapons whose changes were interesting or fun were Lance, Hammer and Bow. Every other weapon had a moveset that seemed like it was built around one big move and everything you did was just so that eventually you could do that move. It wasn't interesting moveset design, and it made a lot of the fights just devolve into positioning for a stunlock and spamming the same thing over and over. And this isn't even mentioning jump attack gimmicks. Don't even get me started on the mantles. I don't know which person over at Capcom decided that making tools that just play the game for you was interesting. You don't feel like a hunter anymore, you feel like a demigod. Even in MHXX/GU, with all the ridiculously over the top hunter arts and styles that feeling of fighting something equal or stronger than you was still there. In MHW, you are just bullying every monster.
This kinda saddens me seing Hunting horn in F teir- Little question, with Hunting horn's new moves in iceborne, do you think HH will finally be able to move up 1 or 2 Teirs?
Those nerfs are pretty said in my opinion. Decoration wise, the bow is by far the most expensive weapon in the game. You need a different bow for each element. Dash juice is a requirement. You have to have precise aim. Constant stamina management. It deserves to be the damage beast it is. It t is the only weapon I know how to play
This is an interesting list to be sure, but your judgments on the weapon balance is super off in my opinion. Weapons are not balanced around highest possible DPS and speedrunning is not the core game play loop of any MH. For a weapon to be useful it's more important how consistently you'll win each hunt and not how further you can push the any percent goal.
@@MrButz Yeah but some of the wording makes it come off as if he's talking about regular hunts, especially that description. I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to argue that Monster Hunter speedruns don't have tiers.
@@MrButz I care about that because there are people who take this kind of talk and use it to shame others for their weapon choice, that's my only concern. Dude already pinned a comment pointing out that that's not what people should take from this, so it's fine. Still, never seen anyone saying that tiers don't exist in speedruns, no idea why that's in the description.
Hi this tier list its again good? Actualy play charge blade but need very long Time for kill Monster.... Would like change for GL or lance what do'you think ?
As a casual player I enjoyed the video. I'm afraid you missed a major opportunity though, the sensation of these tier list is to watch you sort a random assortment to keep the viewer watching. Instead it was pre-determined and sorted sequentially so I could've just skipped to the end. Hopefully that made sense
*before watching the video* Me: Bet HH is the worst TSC: Hunting Horn is the worst Me: ayyyyyyy Still my fav to use in World. Monster Hunter games never had any semblance of balance and I kinda love them for that.
Capitan Unique agree, I had a 4 box 1 faint tempered Luna - killed her in under 4 minutes with a good HH user in the group. 3 faint regular Luna - triple cart within 3 minutes without HH
I started out in monster hunter 4 ultimate on the 3ds as wanting to be a bow main because the weapon looked so cool, it felt terrible in that game and I quickly switched might pick it up again after watching this vid
Quality content. I chuckled on the "misinformed community". Thanks a bunch for taking the time to make another informative video. Looking forward to the next. Cheers!
The contrast of non-TA and TA is big. The biggest factor is that the weapon that good have a knack for trading damage for mobility or guard or whatever survivalbility perform worse in this category. For example Insect Glaive and Great Sword are probably flip the position in TA run as seen in Extremoth list or how the bow doesn't lead other weapon by landslide. Still, it's very crazy that even in non-TA SwAxe perform this bad despite the dps that it could output.
@@tazttyyy687IG ain't bad in TA... at least not second to last place bad. mhw.wiki-db.com/solota/quest/122 Also, what I mean about bow is that in TA it seem to ahead of other weapon by land slide.
as HBG main, i hate on how accurate this video. bowgun suppose to be have may different playstyle on killing each monster because of different ammo they can shot. previous monster hubter does that. pellet for killing zinogre, pierce for killing akantor, etc. but not in world. if you want to kill monster fastest way possible, you need glutton, and glutton only. you dont have glutton? better not using HBG for speed run. that is sad harsh truth about HBG in MHW
This is video isn't meant to tell you which weapon type to play with, when we speedrun MHW we never even compare our times across weapon types. This was just inform the community that in MHW there is no weapon balance, and some weapons are just miles ahead better than others in literally every situation.
I feel like my dps is nutty with aerial hammer I find it hard to believe its not one of the fastest weapons but hey I'm no speed runner I'll take your word for it
@@spartantebow Here's the thing about "nutty DPS": there's speed-running "nutty" and then there's reasonable "nutty." The fact that LBG got a sub 3-minute on AT Teostra was due to ledge-canceling and some good set-ups and RNG. But, there's no way that it performs that well consistently, and you'll most likely be able to do as well, if not better, with a weapon that you're comfortable with (like hammer). This is why Capcom should never balance weapons based on speed-run times.
Just want to point out that based on the numbers you showed at the top of the screen, Lance is better than Gunlance though it's only by 3 points.
@@tuloong3807 Yes but I also calculated total time rankings accross all archs, meaning that although Lance placing avg beat GL slightly, GL was close behind. And when it lost, it lost hard. Either way they both E tier.
Ur full of shit for trying to say that some weapons are better than every other weapon in every situation. Every single weapon has its place and can surpass other weapons in the millions of situations. U can’t say that simply because it can speedrun well, it’s better than every other weapon. That’s complete bullshit
I agree with pretty much every ranking in this video. But for any casual players who main F and E tier weapons: don't be discouraged. If you are able to consistently play well with a weapon of your choice, you're golden. Besides, comparing weapons that are so different is pretty futile unless you're looking at speedrun times. In the end, just use whatever you want, and if you're able to get an amazing hunting horn time, then fuck yeah.
**Hunting Horn intensifies.**
DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOOOOOOOOOT
Thanks for that i always did use dual blades and this gave me my pride back
I'll never switch my glaive! Monster flies? - Good, two can play that game!
This is very true. This coming from a guy who's main weapons are low tier. Four out of the five weapons I use are in D tier and below. That being Switch Axe, Lance, Insect Glaive, and SnS.
5th is Long sword because WEEB POWERS ACTIVATE!
*laughs as I sharpen my fishing rod
Bunnykiller109 now that would be an interesting new weapon type. Fitting since a fishing rod is a tool for hunting fish. In other words fishing. Oxymoron, I know lol.
*laughs as I uppercut monsters in the jaw*
Capture net too op pls nerf
You might just pluck out a plesioth outta nowhere following up with a mile wide hip-check.
When you wondering why everyone in ur session is hunting monsters when there is fish to catch lol
Great Sword is best sword. All is right with the world.
true
Yes
The only thing i dont like with great sword is lack of mobility but its quick sheathing time makes up for it as well
Holy shit this is josh and cotton love you guy]s
Josh!
"if there's a ledge there's a way" rofl
TME_Guy Same thing works in for honor.
@@tomekl3476 I like this comment a little too much
Smidget Gaming lmao
@@tomekl3476 I have to admit it was pretty good my dude.
Smidget Gaming Warlord mains would be happy to hear that
I need a shirt with a leaping hunter with a greatsword that says "Where there's a ledge, there's a way".
And the award for best comment goes too... This guy
And a very screwed, dead monster.
“The hunting horn just seems... pretty pathetic” HAHAHAHA🤣 ...wait. That’s my weapon 😭
Had 600 hunts with the horn before I picked up lance as a secondary
@@xHeigoux I have mine for more than 1000 hunts. Gotta use it again in Iceborn.
Uses don’t mean anything if you’re running and neither does HR. I’m at about 2000 uses- probably more than that actually due to frequent resets yet I’m still not nearly as capable as some of the runners out there today like Qua, Griffted, Deus, or Olga.
I repeat HR and uses does not matter in in runs🤣
Pathetic in speedrun indeed,but in most daily usage HH is the most complex weapon,you not only button smash monster head but really do planning every single hit and flow of the game,be proud man :)
@@Kamau_gaming You forget もっぽろん , he/she play the doot-doot agressively (hence not as clean as Qua). Some of his/her runs have faster clearing time than Qua.
Qua is still my Doot-God though.
Great video. I especially liked the way you visually presented the rankings on each AT for each weapon.
True
Let me make a cheeky correction
Greatsword: A tier
LEDGESWORD: SS tier
Great video, congrats.
ss is nazi shit
@@PhantomGamZ mate ,to get any damage on a monster you need to know how to set yourself up with greatsword,simply doing combos doesnt make it complicated ,as a person who mains both ,I found longsword pretty easy to pick up.not to say longsword is bad,it's just not complicated . I recommend you at least try out a weapon before trash talking.
@@PhantomGamZ as a guy who can play 11/14 weapons of this game, GS requires alot more skill than the LS. LS just evades any and all dmg with a move that combos into a bar upgrade ( the main way to hit the red bar) as well as good defense and offense ( getting even more dmg in iceborne) and amazing mobility. GS requires setup, predicting, bad defense and ledge sword is gone in iceborne. Everything however, is made up with ungodly amounts of dmg.
TL;DR GS is much harder than LS
I hope people don't take this out of context and claim that you are saying people shouldn't play the low tier speedrun weapons. I play ig. I know it doesn't get kill times like bowguns. But damn is it fun.
You enjoy it that's what matters
I don't like the damage output anymore, but when I started World I was getting stomped by everything with the Charge Blade, so I switched to the IG and it's the reason I'm actually decent at MHW now. IG will always have a special place in my heart
@@IloveGorgeousGeorge IG is actually one of the top competitors for speed running now so have fun
Nice one!
Can't wait to see how this tier list would change after iceborne release
Insect Glaive would be miles dead last now :'(
Greatsword better still be first
ahaha bow probably last place what a nerf
well the aerial dunk is broken.. i don't think it was meant to play that way lol.
William Leonhart too bad its dead in iceborne
@@rimuruo_o2018 not necessarily
PredatoryGamer Looks like it’s viable on hammer but aerial gs is dead in the meta.
@@edge21str theres really no meta yet until all the sets are unlocked and decos are discovered. I tried AGS and it still isnt too bad. Of course with hammer it's juicy
Aerial and dunking are two different strategies. But you’re right I don’t think it was intended
Please understand everyone that every single weapon in this game is viable. No single weapon is “bad,” if you can kill a monster without farting every time you walk up to it, then your a true hunter. Even hunting horn does absurd damage if you stack it’s buffs and stun a monster on the noggin. Play your way. Have fun. These are just speedrunning tiers. 👌🏽
you,re right, but I'm triggered by the fact that he called the switch axe a butchered long sword
Also just noticed I said farting instead of carting feelsbadman
This is all fine and dandy, but when people say there's no tiers, they're referring to regular Monster Hunter. Speedrunning Monster Hunter isn't regular Monster Hunter, as this game doesn't really reward you for speedrunning. The difference in clear times generally isn't large enough for regular players to care. But yeah there's definitely balance issues, that's nothin' new to Monster Hunter haha
Your argument is this isn't true because good players isn't the same as not good players? There are tiers, it's a fact of life. Every weapon is viable for FUN, but there's a clear effectiveness that denying it is just pointless.
This game does reward you for speed clearing. You get to your rewards faster, and spend less resources per hunt.
@@TheHeartThatRunsCold By time you've hunted a monster enough to know it's patterns well enough to speedrun it well, you've very likely gotten everything you need from it. Also a hunt taking a bit longer doesn't necessarily mean you're spending more resources.
@@thatrandomguyo1 I literally said there are weapon balance issues, but the difference isn't large enough to people just playing the game normally. The clear time difference is generally at most, a few extra minutes as far as I can tell. I never denied that there are tiers, I'm explaining what people mean when they say that.
Some goon head Mmmm
I wholeheartedly agree with your ranking. It’s a shame so many weapons are so poorly designed or balanced compared to its godly brethren. I especially enjoy hammer too, since it’s just so well designed.
All the weapons got some crazy new style in world to adapt to new monsters, which is highly appreciated, but it’s fairly obvious which got more love and which got ignored.
this tier lust show what are the best weapons for speedrun, basically the best for calculated runs, its not like some weapons are bad but the true shine of them is when you play it for fun.
Good video ! The way u explain it + the thing that the Video "Overlay" is pretty easy to understand and well designed. Very good job ^^
Pretty solid video TSC. It is incredibly detailed and straight to the point. As a LS/HH main, everything was accurate.
When the rankings for GS came up O.o all 1st or 2nd places holy crap!
Great video, loved to here a pro speedrunner's thoughts on each weapon. As a more casual player I have my own tier list that fits how I play, but this was nice to see how a true Monster Hunter Optimizer would rate them. The skill ceiling on some of these weapons is so much higher than many know. Great & informative video!
Hunting horn truly is the ultimate weapon
Only true chads use it instead of cheesy strats like Ledgesword or Cluster Bombs
I use HH most often, but almost exclusively for multiplayer. It boosts attack by a whopping 20 percent.
As a hh main, I think switch axe got an unfair ranking, the only reason you feel the moves with the weapon are “all over the place” is because (and I mean this with no negativity) it just requires a lot more skill than people think, you can’t just run up to the monster and use sword until your gauge runs out, you need to understand each move and be able to quickly decide wich one is best for the current situation. For example if the monster is stunned most people will run up to the monster and use sword mode on the head or tail, but I honestly think there are far more options
- tenderise a part and slice with sword mode
-switch into axe mode and use that move were you constantly swing our axe(this is actually your best move for stun and part damage and is actually really effective)
-you can clutch onto face and use a fake ZSD to build up sword gauge and then use a real ZSD(ZSD the move were you stab into the monster and do you stongest attack)
I mean that’s just some thing I thought of rn but there are actually a lot more options that I’m sure a swaxe main can think of. My point is for speed runs this weapon is good at best if you don’t know how to use the weapon, but if you know what your doing I’ll argue it’s the best in the game, and probably consists of the most skilled hunters imo
_”In last place, the hunting horn”_
*why are you booing me, I’m right*
As someone who just started making MHW TA videos, this was very interesting to see! I have been playing this game casually since launch so I am looking up any and info to up my hunt, and this was very helpful, even though I don't know how much I will use since I am still just doing it for fun. Still great stuff! Thanks for linking that discord link too!
I'm sorry. Anyone who says that Lance has low mobility, does not understand or know how to use the Lance. I do agree the Lance does lack in damage though.
I agree totally but the low.damage only happens if you have the wrong build for the damage
@@AngelosRitter I guess, I meant that the Lance doesn't have as flashy moves that make u feel like ur doing massive damage to the monster
Also I do tend to make my builds more defensive.
@@devonnotz9898 that's right.
@@devonnotz9898 on gunlance(my fav def) i go on def lvl7, hp up, recovery up, recovery Speed up, and guard +3. The damage runs on its own then
Great vid. Like many people say, completing hunts and having fun is really what matters unless you are a dedicated speed runner.
As a main dooter I can confirm it sucks for speedrunning unfortunately but for everything else it's fun.
Bruh switch axe needs a fat buff. As you said , high risk , low reward. I'm a monster hunter noob , i only played world for like 300 hours. I played through the entire story with switch axe but damn when i made a gun lance and lance i could very easily beat every monster easily, even if it took long , it was a guarantee win.
the damage is fine with SA but some moves need to be more fluid, allow evading between some combos for example, add a guardpoint(its a huge weapon you can gaurd with it right?), SA has a lot of potential but capcom is not giving it enough attention.
Nice video! I knew GS would be S tier cause I’ve seen all your aerial kills.
Literally every weapon im interested in were in E & F Tier......
@@holukisp-9088 Nah they are bad, just doesn't mean that you can't play them.
@@arshadzaidi4667 It depends how you want to play. This is a speedrun tier list not a normal tier list. If you say that Hunting Horn, Lance, etc. are bad because they are bad for speedruns than that means you are probably a bad player. Do you even know how many times speedruner have to reset the quest because they failed.
@@jackbordar2727 exactly. Which is why i always say. Yea some weapons are better than others in every aspect...assuming that player playing them plays them to the best of their ability every single time. A master HH player can outplay every weapon on this list if the players playing the listed weapons are slacking.
And finally, as you mentioned this is a speedrunning list. Speedrunners go through hella attempts to make one good run (which in turn renders a lot of points in the vid being made about these weapons irrelevant). In real gameplay your skill determines how good a weapon is.
@@jackbordar2727 Bruh what are you talking about? Hunting Horn is objectively worse than pretty much every other weapon. I'm not saying it's unusable, but that doesn't make it a good weapon lol.
@@arshadzaidi4667 on what shrooms are you on?! The thing you call objektively is your own opinion right now and not a fact.
“Enjoy me teaching this misinformed community”
+1. Absolute lmao.
Arrogant af
Jteshytsu I prefer based and redpilled.
@@CuttingEdges Cucked by the shackles of deeps 😎
He’s literally blowing so much smoke up his own ass
As a GS main since MHFU, I practically shed tears of joy when I realized how easily i could spam the aerial charge. The first time I did a tempered daora in like 6 minutes, I realized how crazy it really was.
Also the first time I saw true charge damage, I almost dropped a brick on the spot.
And DAT tackle!
So happy with the GS changes in this game.
With one issue. I need them to fix elemental GS. Right now there's no reason to even use anything other than impact. I miss having tons of builds with different GS based on elemental weakness. I thought maybe we'd get something worthwhile with the KJARR stuff but nope, the GSs don't go to white sharpness, and still need higher elemental values.
It's also moronic that there's a cap on elemental attack. Especially for GS which only makes the problem worse.
I'm just *sigh* resigned to the fact that I'm gonna be running raw damage for the rest of my life.
I do agree with your point on IG capcom seems to keep pushing the concept of bringing it to the air for IG when it could do alot on the ground as well.
They'd need a hefty buff for aerial motion values to compete with ground combos. IMO they should buff aerial attacks so elemental IG can actually be viable.
Also, maybe extend triple buff time so you don't need to rebuff as often during the fight, on top of managing mantles, sharpness and powders
Hello. I'm from the future. Clearly TSC made tier list too soon, because he wanted to simp for aerial GS so hard. The reality is HBG is #1, beating aerial GS in almost all cases. Also TSC excluded Behemoth and EX Behemoth, because GS completely sucks at those fights to feed his narrative, while true top tier weapons (HBG and Bow) have no problem killing Behemoth. New HBG rankings, last two for Behemoth: 1/2/1/1/1/1/1 (/2/2)
Great video I am so happy with your content, thou there’s one thing I’d point out.
You spoke about GS when in reality it’s just Wyvern Impact, the rest of those poor bastards (except a few cases with Anguish) is nowhere close to that powerhouse and when I think that’s just a dlc, man that drives me mad.
"A game is no fun if it's fair." -Masahiro Sakurai (creator of Super Smash Bros.)
What he means is that if everything was balanced, then the game would just become boring and the same throughout.
Yeah but this is a pve game. We don't even compare between weapon classes. Being unbalanced doesn't bring any fun into the table.
*cries in Hunting Horn
Okay but capcom shouldn't balance weapons based on speed run times for obvious reasons. A lot of the high tier weapons have a lot of meta involved in their run times and the average person with no grasp of the meta will not perform with those numbers
And you know monster hunter wasn't ever really supposed to be a speed run game. The whole point is to like hunt the monster, not how fast can you kill them.
okay but please buff my hunting horn bois
@@pedrito890 we are getting a buff in iceborn. Though as a hh main I'd say we are just as strong as other weapons. Our self improvement song provides frankly the best skill in the game for no cost
@@eeveeongirl after iceborne we are just as strong as others. As of right now we aren't doing as well in general.
@@AhChaac I'd beg to disagree, yes it's true that our damage output is not the best. But we have one thing over other weapons and that is consistancy. Woth minds eye we dont have to worry about bouncing (so our damage output doesnt slow)and our buffs to ourselves make us outlast every weapon. Just because a weapon doesnt have as high of numbers doesnt mean it isnt strong. We dont rely on charging, stamina, reloading, or any type of meter we are just damage. I play with a chargeblade/gunlance user and a dualie/hbg. While they may get better numbers I can keep the heat on the monster because I don't have to worry about side things they do, the hh gimmick relies on us being up close and personal
What bow are you using against Lunastra at 9:12?? I can’t find it anywhere but the animations look a lot like the DMC charge blade?
What was the first bow you were using? Looks sick
Great video, pretty spot on with my own personal tier lists too. It looked real clean too, loving the additional content TSC.
The insect glaive and switch axe are still my favorite weapons. 😝
Great vid love how u showed each ranking for each monster
11:43 if even mods can make a good glav great sword it should not be that hard capcom
Nice!!! i main Bow and GS so I'm very happy with the rankings, but i have told myself I'm going to main HH in icebourne... oh god hahaha :P Great vid!
I main insect glacier, and it’s actually pretty good for airside. As it makes you impossible to hit by ground attacks and makes it incredibly easy to get mounts to do good damage.
we all know what ig can do, this isn't an intro video to what each weapon does. This video is showing what each weapon severely lacks/overtly packs in terms of ability to dish out dmg.
Excuse me but what is the greatsword you're showing at 11:00 ?
I'm searching it for days and I can't find it! Is it a mod or an event greatsword?
It also depends on your playstyle, I am used to defeating nergigante 10 minute using dual blade, but it takes me 15-20m with great sword
Solid tier list. I play over half the weapons in this game and this sums up my results on average pretty well. Though I gotta be in honest in admitting that the real reason I favour GS above all is cause the true charge feels so god damn good to land.
But bro what bow were you using? That looked epic. How you get it???
I figured out his bow, he's using a Nexus mod (PC only) and it is a magic bow effect (Dante effect)
Dang that sucks PC only :/
A tier list for which weapon can cheese end game monsters the best. Nice!!
Well yeah, speedrunning is about killing monsters fast, not about impressing some kid on the internet.
Great video mate. Here's hoping Hammer will be the real KO king in Iceborne. GS looks nuts and hopefully SA's buffs work out well.
Bow KO got massive nerf in beta
Hammer now has the... uh Spinning meteor (can't remember the World name haha, it's the charge 3 hammer idle R2 attack) + clutch claw combo.
Both my favorite weapons are the lowest tiers? Damn, okay then. Still love them though. Much more fun lol.
Good video, however I do have a question regarding IG speedrun representation, does ZebraQuake not count as a speedrunner? Also, his run times using IG on AT monsters seem very comparable to some of the Sns, and LS I've seen. Anyway, all the changes coming in Icebourne is going to be fun. Take care.
Zebra is a runner yes. He actually doesn't even like world so he doesnt play it much. Like TSC unfortunately there isnt much IG representation but based on the times we do have that's why IG is where it is
Been using great sword since monster hunter 1 on ps2 and have never looked back. Love the new moves they’ve added to it over the years. The best weapon type ever
Idk man lol its hella slow..
Great video. If you make similar ranking videos in the future I'd put them on the chart left to right since the second you did insect glaive I knew the next 3 weapons were all going into E tier since there were 3 spaces open. Takes some of the fun of the reveal away.
I was surprised when switch axe was so low... i just started using it in the end game and i fuck some monsters up...
I agree with about every single placement except cb I have gotten insanely fast speed run times with it and I think it has deserved at least a teir. Btw awesome vid.
Well, those times aren't as good as the ones with other weapons. Chargeblade just isn't as fast against at elders as some other weapons.
Gunlance.......i swear i've heard that before.....
isn't that the cursed child that got abandoned my mama Capcom in MH3????
Great video TSC, always love when you make those videos about speed running. About all weapons with pros and cons, and how they perform against monsters. Really can't wait to Iceborne and the amazing content that you will make :D
Thankyou!
we need more content like this
Imagine being a MHW player a year ago, and finding out that not only did Spread get _zero_ nerfs in Iceborne, but they also made a Glutton 2.0, a Glutton 3.0, *AND* a Glutton 4.0, each more broken than the last, and they also added Special Scope which gives a 30% damage bonus even though it's already the highest DPS weapon by far without that buff.
It's literally in the name.
GREAT-sword.
It's a great sword to use for speedrunning
But it takes time to master the weapon. You basically exchange your mobility and dexterity into high amount of damage output. Unlike its virgin brother the long sword
@TSC what is ur costume for insect glavie? at 2:00
Yes this is what were lookin for! still i have the opinion i think all weapons have a meta to abuse and make it extremely powerful
Keep this kind of stuff comin awesome, too bad i can give only 1 like✌🏽😎
Aerial Hunting Horn abuse meta.
Great video bud. Really hopefully the changes to SA give the weapon what it needs to compete. I think the increased ability to KO could open up a lot more opportunity to control monster movement.
Edit: Im a dumbass the Charged Axe mode just does increased damage.
Wait SA can KO? LOL
@@TSCspeedruns Jup. The Jagras Switchaxe with exhaust phial can. Maybe SA can get really good trips in Iceborne. Tenderize one leg and go to town with the buffed axe, which has buffed stagger. Wishful thinking.
I get what you getting at here, but I feel that you have greatly misrepresented the weapons here. I get that for speedrunning they aren’t balanced, but they’re not MADE specifically for speedruns. Many that are low ranked are for support, therefore multiplayer which just doesn’t apply. You’re way to hard on the dev team, because you’re only seeing it from one perspective.
Just my opinion though.
Vietnam Gamer
It’s not that he ‘misinterpreted’ the weapons, rather, he is simply looking at the damage output and speed running potential of solo hunts. He explicitly stated that this tier list was created by how useful it would be in a speed running hunt, not by its usage in a multiple-player environment. That is why weapons such as Insect Glaive and Hunting Horn are so low on the list, because the list itself focuses on damage output rather than potential in a teamed hunt. Insect Glaive, for example, would be much more useful in a teamed hunt, as it allows for healing buffs for players and has mounting capabilities, but would not be a suitable weapon for damage dealing in a solo hunt. Long Sword, however, would be much lower on the list, as it’s capabilities would be useless in comparison to Great Sword, who deals more damage overall.
If the listing of the weapons had been generally, I would normally agree. It is just that this list was not created to rank the weapons based off of a normal hunt’s environment, but rather, how they fare in a solo-hunt based on damage output.
I was waiting for this tier list video from you! Thanks for making me realise playing switch axe is equivalent to playing gannon in melee 😂
Hahahaha
Mains in S tier, C tier, and F tier. *Balanced, as all things should be*
DeeJay4403 lol same here!
This was really well done, awesome man!
Huh
As a Greatsword main, I
1. Didn't realize that it's airial attacks were so OP
2. Was expecting to be really low, since it is one of the slowest weapons in the game (especially if you miss)
Thokk_ _Is_Funny
Do you know which Greatsword he is using at 11:00 ?
The only MH game where the GS is low tier is frontier, every other game and it's always one of the best weapon.
This is exactly why I’m excited to see what happens when Iceborne comes out. With the new note and the offensive melody (not to mention the changes to speed and motion value of other attacks), I can 5 star guarantee that its capabilities for speed running will drastically change. Also, it’s a ton of fun in Iceborne.
I couldn’t agree with you more on that number one spot.
Will you do a video for TA rules? I think it would be very very interesting to compare with the non-TA rules list and many people would be interested to look at the placement changes and reasons why certain weapons move up or down with the ruleset.
Well TAwiki already has a tier list on their results.
@@TSCspeedruns I was under the impression that a lot of speedruns don't actually get submitted to TAwiki proper, is that the case or did I get the wrong impression?
@@aliasonarcotics you are correct...but I dont really run under that ruleset so I don't know much about it. Sorry m8.
@@TSCspeedruns That's a shame, still I really enjoyed this video and all your other videos educating people about MHW's metagame, they're all entertaining and taught me things I never knew.
what killed MHW for me were the playstyles of all these weapons. One of the biggest things that I enjoyed in MH is slowly getting better and improving my own match-ups with the monsters, building hyper-specialized sets for monster or even quest. But in World, the optimal playstyles for half of the weapons are just incredibly boring. For GS you just spammed the shoulder cancel and finisher, for CB you just spammed SAED, for LS you just spammed the counter and the jumping move, for SnS you spammed one move, ect. The only weapons whose changes were interesting or fun were Lance, Hammer and Bow. Every other weapon had a moveset that seemed like it was built around one big move and everything you did was just so that eventually you could do that move. It wasn't interesting moveset design, and it made a lot of the fights just devolve into positioning for a stunlock and spamming the same thing over and over. And this isn't even mentioning jump attack gimmicks.
Don't even get me started on the mantles. I don't know which person over at Capcom decided that making tools that just play the game for you was interesting. You don't feel like a hunter anymore, you feel like a demigod. Even in MHXX/GU, with all the ridiculously over the top hunter arts and styles that feeling of fighting something equal or stronger than you was still there. In MHW, you are just bullying every monster.
This kinda saddens me seing Hunting horn in F teir-
Little question, with Hunting horn's new moves in iceborne, do you think HH will finally be able to move up 1 or 2 Teirs?
HH performed better in beta than it usually does but betas aren't really good representations of endgame balance.
>looking at Bow nerfs for IB
Look at how they massacred my bow
Those nerfs are pretty said in my opinion. Decoration wise, the bow is by far the most expensive weapon in the game. You need a different bow for each element. Dash juice is a requirement. You have to have precise aim. Constant stamina management.
It deserves to be the damage beast it is. It t is the only weapon I know how to play
@@karma_decay Not to mention Hoarfrost Reach is a major nerf to every stamina heavy weapon, and Bows the most stamina heavy weapon out there too
Its nice to see the greatsword has been considered one of the top tier weapons ever since the first game
Wish that happened with more weapons. Most of the low tier weapons used to be godly, until capcom ruined them.
This is an interesting list to be sure, but your judgments on the weapon balance is super off in my opinion. Weapons are not balanced around highest possible DPS and speedrunning is not the core game play loop of any MH. For a weapon to be useful it's more important how consistently you'll win each hunt and not how further you can push the any percent goal.
@@MrButz Yeah but some of the wording makes it come off as if he's talking about regular hunts, especially that description. I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to argue that Monster Hunter speedruns don't have tiers.
@@MrButz I care about that because there are people who take this kind of talk and use it to shame others for their weapon choice, that's my only concern. Dude already pinned a comment pointing out that that's not what people should take from this, so it's fine. Still, never seen anyone saying that tiers don't exist in speedruns, no idea why that's in the description.
Hi this tier list its again good? Actualy play charge blade but need very long Time for kill Monster.... Would like change for GL or lance what do'you think ?
"Slow and steady win the race" is the modus operandi of the Lance.
As a casual player I enjoyed the video. I'm afraid you missed a major opportunity though, the sensation of these tier list is to watch you sort a random assortment to keep the viewer watching. Instead it was pre-determined and sorted sequentially so I could've just skipped to the end. Hopefully that made sense
*before watching the video*
Me: Bet HH is the worst
TSC: Hunting Horn is the worst
Me: ayyyyyyy
Still my fav to use in World. Monster Hunter games never had any semblance of balance and I kinda love them for that.
Ayyyyy, here we go, fellow HH main! :D
@@flisboac DOOT DOOT
What bow we're you using in the first part? It looked like you had Dante's shield from his charge blade on the front when you shot
it's a mod
Pretty accurate, but as a main Lance main I'll keep speedruning with it ^^. (Hopefully butthurt fanboys will understand the true point of this video.)
Yeah this video is just to show weapon time disparity. In reality weapons don't compete with each other in speedruns.
This list doesn't surprise me too much, though I didn't expect sns to be above SA and lance. Good job with the list.
My three most favorite weapons are all in F or E tier, rip me.😭
Are you a speed runner
@@groundzer0356 On a casual scale yes. I speed run easy dudes.
They are not, if you go to the rice fields they become OP
The IG vs GS is just “the real raven” meme for aerial weapons.
HH still the best weapon in the game. Dooters where you at?!
Capitan Unique agree, I had a 4 box 1 faint tempered Luna - killed her in under 4 minutes with a good HH user in the group. 3 faint regular Luna - triple cart within 3 minutes without HH
DOOT DOOT HERE I AM
Capitan Unique Dootttttttttt here i do be rn
I love the way you have made this! I am looking forward to part two for Iceborne to see how the different nerfs and buffs will influence the ranking
Did i just hear "Insest Glave" lmao
I started out in monster hunter 4 ultimate on the 3ds as wanting to be a bow main because the weapon looked so cool, it felt terrible in that game and I quickly switched might pick it up again after watching this vid
I love lance, I speedrun with it and I’ll defend it!
You’re right tho. Lol
Surely Offensive Guard will finally give us the DPS we deserve. Our time in the sun is soon!
@@happyk7512 CB will benefite from it too, and the Guard point, procing Off. Guard into SAED, is going to be completly stupid. ^^'
Nice :D
AGS will be back in IB when we get appropriate skills, called it.
Its time is up, its normal GS time to shine!
I heard your comment about Aerial GS getting nerfed in IceBorne, care to expand on how that is TSC?
@@ATFSquirrel Motion Value got lowered by almost half I believe.
@@TSCspeedruns oh... wow, though i guess that's expected? Hopefully gluttony gets nerfed then, it's only fair right? :p
my mains insect glaive and swagaxe :( capcom hate them
Insect Glaive still perform well in TA run. It just has less mechanic to abused than other weapon.
Quality content. I chuckled on the "misinformed community". Thanks a bunch for taking the time to make another informative video. Looking forward to the next. Cheers!
Ace video TSC
lol do you think hh will be in higher tier in iceborne?
@@zxmac7320 i really hope the new move and his numbers will be a great change for hh speedrunners.
So are you planning on a updated tier list for iceborne?
Agree a lot with the video but one thing, you dont balance the game around speed run.
The contrast of non-TA and TA is big. The biggest factor is that the weapon that good have a knack for trading damage for mobility or guard or whatever survivalbility perform worse in this category. For example Insect Glaive and Great Sword are probably flip the position in TA run as seen in Extremoth list or how the bow doesn't lead other weapon by landslide. Still, it's very crazy that even in non-TA SwAxe perform this bad despite the dps that it could output.
What lol IG is still bad in TA and bow is still top tier in TA
@@tazttyyy687IG ain't bad in TA... at least not second to last place bad. mhw.wiki-db.com/solota/quest/122
Also, what I mean about bow is that in TA it seem to ahead of other weapon by land slide.
"next on the tier list we have the incest glaive.... I mean insect glaive"..... it was just as funny the second time I watched this vid xD
It's a very different order of the list once you look at true TA rules and not the any% speedrunning.
as HBG main, i hate on how accurate this video. bowgun suppose to be have may different playstyle on killing each monster because of different ammo they can shot. previous monster hubter does that. pellet for killing zinogre, pierce for killing akantor, etc. but not in world. if you want to kill monster fastest way possible, you need glutton, and glutton only. you dont have glutton? better not using HBG for speed run. that is sad harsh truth about HBG in MHW
They nerfed the crap out of pierce ammo and element ammo that it not worth using them in term of damage compare to the Spread shot...