For those wondering why these cars were banned: Toyota GT Four: Hidden elastic washers could bypass the restrictor plate(One of the cleverest "cheating" methods in WRC ). Brabhan BT46B: Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part. Chaparral 2E: High strut mounted wings were outlawed in all forms of motorsport due to safety. Chaparral 2J : Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part. Lotus 56: Used a turbine engine that were later banned. Chevy "TRex" : Just too fast for NASCAR, as per Hendrick racing the rule books were changed after it qualified inspection specifically to ban this car. Superbird: Concerns by NASCAR that aero cars are becoming too fast and are therefore unsafe, the car was also heavily modified and was considered to be too different from stock for stock car racing. Lotus 88: Twin Chassis design to take advantage of ground effect, twin tubs were considered as moving aerodynamic devices
At least the 2J I know of. The 2J basically sucks itself to the ground with fans, it creates a ton of downforce pulling itself to the ground. Those flaps on the side help create a vacuum seal. When it competed in Can-Am series in the 70s it outpaced every single car by a couple of seconds, though the fans failed often so it wasn't even that good. Eventually other manufacturers complained to the SCCA and they ended up banning that kind of technology.
Just for anyone curious: Toyota Celica GT-Four: got banned because they got caught cheating with a turbo that was made to look like it's legal but it wasn't. Brabham BT46B: Technically first it got withdrew, then it got banned. It was a second faster than any car,and the fan was dangerous. Chaparral 2E: Got banned for the wing because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed. Chaparral 2J: Got banned for the fan because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed. Lotus 56: The turbo version was banned because it was very fast. Chevy T-Rex: Banned because...it would have won every race? Superbird: Banned for safety reasons and because it did not look like a stock car. Lotus 88: That, and ground effect cars in general were banned because they were dangerously quick.
@@fearofducks6519 technically the Brabham fan wasn’t dangerous at all. Gordon Murray even said the fans speed was only 55MPH and anything that hit it would be shot out sideways. Andretti complained about it as an excuse to make it banned quickly.
Celica GTFour : Had a secret air intake for the turbo to bypass the air restrictor Brabham "fan car" : had a turbine linked to the "classic" engine to stick the car to the ground with forced ground effect 2E : was the first active wings racecar 2J : same as the brabham, turbine fan to stick the car to the ground Lotus 56 : well, too good for other cars, had to be heavy BoPed Lotus 88 : double chassis, one fixed with the engine, and the other sticking the car to the ground (due to "ground effect") with the speed. Resume : Colin Chapman was a god.
All right so there's an interesting story behind the T-Rex after looking it up. Ray Evernham applied a lot of short track knowledge to that car that was technically inside the rule books. He removed a lot of unsprung weight from components like having hollow axles, titanium hubs and an aluminum driveshaft. He moved the shocks outboard and raised the frame rails to allow for a Venturi effect under the car. It was a full second faster than the entire field throughout the only race it ever ran.
I think the title is tricking some people but these are cars that have been banned from their racing series not actual Goodwood. At least that’s what I’m guessing
Definitely thought the cars were banned from Goodwood. Then watching all the cars I’m like everyone of these cars got banned at some point... then I went “oh...”
The tricky thing with the BT46B is that it requires a different driving style to get the most out of it - as the fan drive was attached to the crankshaft, you wanted to enter a corner at max revs for the best suction, rather than at lower revs so you can drive yourself out of the corner.
Sounds similar to the Red Bull in F1 when it had the blown diffuser, higher revs meant faster cornering speeds. Vettel got the hang of it but must have been strange to drive.
@@RottenWeeblet No turbos on this car - remember, this car was from '78. Renault had barely started playing with turbos (unreliably) the year before, and many teams would be sticking with the tried-and-true formula of V8, V12 or flat 12 for some years yet. The Brabham BT40B used an Alfa Romeo 3.0 flat 12. But because the fan was driven directly off the engine, the greatest suction was found at redline, so that's the revs at which you _entered_ a corner, instead of dropping the revs so you could accelerate through the corner a bit before having to shift up. It required a rather different driving style to normal F1 cars of the period, but history shows that it was surprisingly effective.
Wrong Celica at the start, the ST185 was not banned. The ST205 was banned from WRC after engineers created a genius bypass of the restrictor on the intake of the turbo, thus making more boost and power.
@@GoodwoodRR then perhaps footage of said final version should have been used. The title says banned cars and the first car featured was one that wasn't banned. Pretty poor job really.
Why wouldn’t it? It’s not the car Jeff blew up after he crossed the line. It was the motor he dropped the clutch to blow going into 1. The only thing special about that car went up in smoke when the checkered flew.
@@Dalegot07 I don't believe he blew the engine it even passed post race inspection but was so dominant that they changed rules specifically to make the t-rex cars setup illegal after that race if I remember the story correctly they even ran the chassis one time after and it didn't do too well so they retired it
The TREX was banned for the simple reason the car used underbody aero tricks to get the car sucked down to the tarmac along with other tricks of the trade like hollow axle tubes and the floorpan was raised to get the chassis closer to the ground the shocks were outboard of the axle. Even the drivetrain components were lightened. Interesting fact is none of the Hendrick Teams couldn't get it to work then they decided to throw a different spring package at it in Charlotte it ended up a second quicker than any other Hendrick chassis during testing. Jeff won the race pocketed the $1,000,000 purse it passed tech and then Bill France made the call to ban the car and rewrote the rules to make sure it wouldn't ever compete again.
@@robertrotz4717 that was Micheal Waltrip and Junior Johnson in the Winston Open. JJ had made a bad fast car, with even a badder motor. Which cost him a fortune. After starting towards the rear of the field and came up during the event. The moment it crossed the line, the engine blew up. But to all Nascars knowledge, it was within regulation. (VERY SHORT VERSION)
00:14 Toyota Celica GT-Four (cheating) 01:25 Brabham BT46B “fan car” (active vacuum to stick car down) 02:10 Chaparral 2E "Active suspension" "2:51 Chaparral 2J "even better active suspension 03:37 Lotus 56 "Turbine power" 04:35 Chevrolet Hendrick “T-Rex” "Everham built the car "to the book" but found a few points (front bumper) that made the car dominate. 06:19 Plymouth Superbird "Banned with other aero cars as speeds were getting too fast.. big motors also axed.. 07:44 Lotus 88 "Active aeros that let the car dominate.. **note to self, if your car kills? just win by a little bit, not 20 minutes ahead..
2J was for active aero and there was then a complete ban of all active aero for can am, meaning Nissan had to redesign their wing. 88 was primarily for trying to use two chassis to try and get the recently banned skirts back in use, but the suspension was partially involved
They weren't banned from FoS, it's cars that were banned from their respective racing series T-Rex cause and I quote "it's easier to kill Frankenstein's monster than it is to get along with it"
4:40 I love this gesture, "IMMORTAN! IMMORTAN JOE!" And in frenzied tribute he takes off his own steering wheel and holds it high for his god to see. So freaking cool.
Toyota Celica GT-Four: -Banned for illegal turbo restrictor- Not banned. Team was disqualified for using turbo restrictor to cheat in a later GT-Four Brabham BT46: -Banned for fan being a moveable aerodynamic device- Banned for being too good Chaparral 2E: Banned for wing strut failures being unsafe Chaparral 2J Banned for sliding skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices Lotus 56: Banned for using turbine engine Chevrolet Hendrick T-Rex: Banned for being too good Plymouth Superbird: Banned for dangerously high top speeds Lotus 88: Banned for side skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices
The Toyota wasn’t banned either, the team (Toyota Team Europe) was banned not the car, and it wasn’t even that model involved in the controversy. The cars continued to compete under Toyota Team Sweden and others, but with legal turbos fitted.
Also your edit for the Brabham is wrong. It was not withdrawn before competition. It won the first and only race it contested and there was no issue with cooling.
So imagine this setup. A Superbird wing on a 2J wing on a Ford Tyrell 6 wheeler chassis (not featured here, but banned non the less), top it off with some none restricted turbos and a oversized V8. You can finish the rest of the build if you please :)
@@jonbeargenx I'm not that knowledgeable about the banned cars but that setup must be angelic. Just imagine how fast it would be with a modern technology touch added to it 😳
That odd black thing on the back of the Chaparral 2J was the cover for the fan belts and was called the Martian Bra. Another odd car from the 1970 Can-Am series was the Shadow, which was a small car with 10 and 12 inch wheels, and the radiators buried in a large rear wing to decrease the frontal area of the car. This was also quickly banned. That was the year Bruce McLaren died in an accident testing the M8D Can-Am car at Goodwood.
The Brabham BT46B was never banned. Bernie Ecclestone withdrew it voluntarily to prevent a split inside the nascent Formula One Constructors Association.
Yes it was, or so says wiki : "According to Ecclestone's biographer Terry Lovell, the heads of the other FOCA teams, led by Colin Chapman threatened to withdraw their support for Ecclestone unless he withdrew the BT46B. Ecclestone negotiated a deal within FOCA whereby the car would have continued for another three races before Brabham would voluntarily withdraw it.[21] However, the Commission Sportive Internationale intervened to declare that henceforth fan cars would not be allowed and the car never raced again in Formula One."
The Brabham 46B wasn't, per se, banned. It was voluntarily withdrawn after only one race, but FIA had ruled that it would be allowed to race the entire season. Bernie Ecclestone didn't want to risk his F1-political aspirations, though, and had it removed.
What year was Petty in his Superbird at Goodwood? One of my strongest childhood motor-head memories was seeing that combo racing on ‘ABC’s Wide World of Sports’ - 200mph in 1970!
This video had so much potential! Whilst it is lovely to see these cars there is zero information on any of them really or the reason for their ban?! Even a little text banner at the bottom for each vehicle would have been a great addition
T-Rex wasn't technically "banned" since it was within the NASCAR Winston Cup Series rulebook... they just told Rick Hendrick, Ray Evernham and Jeff Gordon to not bring it back
I saw the Chaparral 2F "2E with a roof basically" in the BAOC 500 sportscar race at Brands Hatch in the 60's.also the Lotus Gas Turbine car in either a GP or the Race of Champions. I seem to remember the 2F did quite well. 2J is the world's fastest Dyson.
Reminds me of when Ferrari attempted to enter touring car races with the 250LM - Maranello bolted a box on the back, thus giving the car the requisite 'boot'! Needless to say, even the FIA thought it was a step too far LOL!
The 56B was entered in both. It was on course for a storm up the field in wet weather at Zandvoort due to the AWD but the driver overcooked it and spun off.
Story of the Plymouth Superbird: Chrysler Corporation had a defense division that built missiles for the US Army. The top brass in the company was wondering why that, despite the best engines in NASCAR, the racers who raced Mopar products kept coming in dead last. Someone in the boardroom pointed out that there were rocket scientists who worked for Chrysler. So the missile engineers were called in, who pointed out the aerodynamic flaws of Chrysler's "sport" coupes. The lead aerodynamicist pointed out some aerodynamic changes that would cut down the aerodynamic drag of the vehicle significant enough to greatly improve the top speed of the vehicle on the new superspeedways, where Chrysler was getting killed by the competition. It also improved the theoretical top speed, to a point where aerodynamic lift would raise the car off the ground, so a spoiler wing would be needed. NASCAR homologation rules required that a certain number of the model be offered for sale to the general public. The weight of the spoiler was too great and the size was too wide to allow the trunk ("boot") to open, so marketing demanded a fix. Thats how the rear wing came about 😉
Wrong Celica, it was later ST205, which was banned (or, actually the cheater turbo was banned, ST205 rallied later with legal turbo), not the ST185 presented here.
Superbird / Daytona wasn't banned, simply handicapped out of competitveness by limiting the engine displacement to 305 cu in when everybody else was at 426-427 cu in. Still, one team tried running with the 305 but had engine failures ( trying to get more HP out of less displacement. )
The Chaparral 2J "sucker car" was my favorite as a kid, it was so bizarre and it actually worked. This car created a whole new Chaparral fan club. (see what I did there?)
If there were a racing car whose performance came from its ability to mess with electronic timing systems or being as wide as the track, that probably wouldn’t be allowed in.
The Superbird didn’t really get banned, it had a engine displacement restriction of only 305 cubic inch (vs the 426 Hemi). This applied to the other “aero cars” , Dodge Charger 500, Dodge Charger Daytona, Ford Torino Talladega, and the Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II. Only one team fielded a aero car for the 1971 Daytona 500 using the 305 power plant, the Mario Rossi owned #22 Dodge Daytona driven by Richard Brooks. The 305 cubic inch engine was built by legendary Mopar engine builder Keith Black. The car qualified 8th and led a handful of laps before getting damaged in an altercation, but it still finished 7th overall. So the car could still be run, but it just had to use a smaller engine. It would have been nice to have some info about each car and why it was banned.
As a Yank, I was embarrassed that It (literally) had to stink up an otherwise interesting lineup. NASCAR is acceptable when you're an adolescent and watching it on TV whilst flicking through the channels, but it's pretty boring after that point.
@@AzathothsAlarmClock The other F1 drivers basically held a meeting, saying that the 46B was throwing up stones and other débris at the following drivers. It later turned out that it did nothing of the sort, but the other drivers invented a way of having the car banned. Bernie withdrew the car before the inevitable happened...
You omitted Michael May's winged Porsche 550, banned at Nurburgring in 1956 because the Porsche team was humiliated that it was faster in practice than the factory cars. This was more than a decade before Jim Hall slapped a big wing onto a Chaparral 2.
I suspect because you need to see why it was banned - over 100 mph the body is pushed down by the air, independent of the suspension and creates a seal with the track and hence more downforce. Chapman’s cars were awesome. We hear what Gordon Murray and Adrian Newey have done, and that’s right and proper but we lost Chapman way too early and I fear he’s getting relegated or forgotten.
@@landhopper4296 The most influential designer for about 25 years was Dr Harvey Postlethwaite. The high nose / splitter plate combination came from one of his Tyrrells and is still with us. It will change with the reintroduction of wing cars next year but that idea made flat bottom cars work aerodynamically.
From memory, the only car that was specifically banned from the Goodwood Festival was the " new" lightweight Jaguar E-Type, these were completed a few years ago, by the same Jaguar engineers who built the 1960s original lightweight, and built by Jaguar, in the same factory, 20 were planned originally but only 13 were built, so Jaguar finished building the remaining 7, but his Lordship would not accept them, calling them replicas, if you are the owner of Goodwood, you can do as you see fit.
In answer to Greg Felix Gordon Murray very cleverly designed the fan to be activated by a series of clutches, so in a straight line it had minimal to no downforce, so sometimes it was not rotating at all.
Brabham and second Chaparall: because they had fans, who sucked them to the ground. First Chaparall: Active aerodynamic unit. T-Rex: Because it was too fast (afaik, it was perfectly built acording to the regulatory, but simply made all the other cars look bad) Plymouth: Short answer: It was too old. Longer answer: despite still being competitive, it didn't meet safety standards anymore, and due to new sales regulations (back then, they needed to produce and sell a certain amount of Stock cars), it was over Lotus 56: Gas turbine and AWD
They were talking about the Celica like it was a group B car, comparing it to the RS200, right? But that was the Group A Celica, which was banned for cheating instead.
Which car should never have been banned?
Mazda rotary
The Superbird showed that NASCAR was afraid of innovation.
The Brabham and the Toyota were never banned in the first place.
Why was the celiac banned??
*celica
For those wondering why these cars were banned:
Toyota GT Four: Hidden elastic washers could bypass the restrictor plate(One of the cleverest "cheating" methods in WRC ).
Brabhan BT46B: Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part.
Chaparral 2E: High strut mounted wings were outlawed in all forms of motorsport due to safety.
Chaparral 2J : Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part.
Lotus 56: Used a turbine engine that were later banned.
Chevy "TRex" : Just too fast for NASCAR, as per Hendrick racing the rule books were changed after it qualified inspection specifically to
ban this car.
Superbird: Concerns by NASCAR that aero cars are becoming too fast and are therefore unsafe, the car was also heavily modified and was considered to be too different from stock for stock car racing.
Lotus 88: Twin Chassis design to take advantage of ground effect, twin tubs were considered as moving aerodynamic devices
Probably the most accurate explanations, yet.
Thanks for doing the video editors job. I appreciate the information
Well said, well explained.
Thank You!
Wonder if the Brabham would be allowed today since the McMurthy Speirling uses moving Aero.
A brief explanation about why they were banned would have been interesting.
ditto on that.
At least the 2J I know of.
The 2J basically sucks itself to the ground with fans, it creates a ton of downforce pulling itself to the ground. Those flaps on the side help create a vacuum seal. When it competed in Can-Am series in the 70s it outpaced every single car by a couple of seconds, though the fans failed often so it wasn't even that good. Eventually other manufacturers complained to the SCCA and they ended up banning that kind of technology.
Just for anyone curious:
Toyota Celica GT-Four: got banned because they got caught cheating with a turbo that was made to look like it's legal but it wasn't.
Brabham BT46B: Technically first it got withdrew, then it got banned. It was a second faster than any car,and the fan was dangerous.
Chaparral 2E: Got banned for the wing because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed.
Chaparral 2J: Got banned for the fan because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed.
Lotus 56: The turbo version was banned because it was very fast.
Chevy T-Rex: Banned because...it would have won every race?
Superbird: Banned for safety reasons and because it did not look like a stock car.
Lotus 88: That, and ground effect cars in general were banned because they were dangerously quick.
@@fearofducks6519 technically the Brabham fan wasn’t dangerous at all. Gordon Murray even said the fans speed was only 55MPH and anything that hit it would be shot out sideways. Andretti complained about it as an excuse to make it banned quickly.
Celica GTFour : Had a secret air intake for the turbo to bypass the air restrictor
Brabham "fan car" : had a turbine linked to the "classic" engine to stick the car to the ground with forced ground effect
2E : was the first active wings racecar
2J : same as the brabham, turbine fan to stick the car to the ground
Lotus 56 : well, too good for other cars, had to be heavy BoPed
Lotus 88 : double chassis, one fixed with the engine, and the other sticking the car to the ground (due to "ground effect") with the speed.
Resume : Colin Chapman was a god.
You gotta love the Lotus driver with his flappy ears helmet
Messed up aerodynamics but is very cool lol
No I don’t
The only one that really gave it a bit too
"I AM SPEED. And cute!"
Ground effect bro!
All right so there's an interesting story behind the T-Rex after looking it up. Ray Evernham applied a lot of short track knowledge to that car that was technically inside the rule books. He removed a lot of unsprung weight from components like having hollow axles, titanium hubs and an aluminum driveshaft. He moved the shocks outboard and raised the frame rails to allow for a Venturi effect under the car. It was a full second faster than the entire field throughout the only race it ever ran.
Chaparral 2J was my absolutely nightmare on Gran Turismo 4, just unbeatable.
On GT6 as well, it was just cartoonishingly fast.
And very undrivable too lol
Somehow the AI was glueled to the ground with that thing. It was the "like a wind" nightmare.
I swear its top speed its faster than a fighter jet.
Spent to long messing with that car 😭🤘
I think the title is tricking some people but these are cars that have been banned from their racing series not actual Goodwood. At least that’s what I’m guessing
Definitely thought the cars were banned from Goodwood. Then watching all the cars I’m like everyone of these cars got banned at some point... then I went “oh...”
Goodwood is made for all historic cars
it's cars that have been banned, doing some stuff at goodwood
That title is tricking me lol
Yep I was thinking: If they're banned, how do they have video of them running at FOS? Then it dawned on me.....
Guess I'm not alone in completely misunderstanding the title.
Well yes, they are at Goodwood so that explains that.
For a moment.....
These are cars that got banned from competition driving around at goodwood.
@@dawhiteman1451 why are they been banned?
@@antoninmotte1620 They didn't meet regulations
The tricky thing with the BT46B is that it requires a different driving style to get the most out of it - as the fan drive was attached to the crankshaft, you wanted to enter a corner at max revs for the best suction, rather than at lower revs so you can drive yourself out of the corner.
Sounds similar to the Red Bull in F1 when it had the blown diffuser, higher revs meant faster cornering speeds. Vettel got the hang of it but must have been strange to drive.
The fan wasn't connected for this run in any case.
With the old cars everyone was in the high revs to avoid the massive turbo lagg
@@RottenWeeblet No turbos on this car - remember, this car was from '78. Renault had barely started playing with turbos (unreliably) the year before, and many teams would be sticking with the tried-and-true formula of V8, V12 or flat 12 for some years yet. The Brabham BT40B used an Alfa Romeo 3.0 flat 12. But because the fan was driven directly off the engine, the greatest suction was found at redline, so that's the revs at which you _entered_ a corner, instead of dropping the revs so you could accelerate through the corner a bit before having to shift up. It required a rather different driving style to normal F1 cars of the period, but history shows that it was surprisingly effective.
@@aussiebloke609 ah I see, thank you.
Wrong Celica at the start, the ST185 was not banned. The ST205 was banned from WRC after engineers created a genius bypass of the restrictor on the intake of the turbo, thus making more boost and power.
Hence we mentioned in the description that it was the final version that was banned.
@@GoodwoodRR then why include the 185 in the video at all? Seems a bit weird.
It's dangerous like group b more crashes.
@@GoodwoodRR then perhaps footage of said final version should have been used. The title says banned cars and the first car featured was one that wasn't banned. Pretty poor job really.
@Dariusz Kanak uninformed, get educated.
It's great to see Jeff Gordon's T-Rex still runs great and still do burnouts!
Lol that rubber it left though.
Why wouldn’t it? It’s not the car Jeff blew up after he crossed the line. It was the motor he dropped the clutch to blow going into 1. The only thing special about that car went up in smoke when the checkered flew.
@@Dalegot07 I don't believe he blew the engine it even passed post race inspection but was so dominant that they changed rules specifically to make the t-rex cars setup illegal after that race if I remember the story correctly they even ran the chassis one time after and it didn't do too well so they retired it
The TREX was banned for the simple reason the car used underbody aero tricks to get the car sucked down to the tarmac along with other tricks of the trade like hollow axle tubes and the floorpan was raised to get the chassis closer to the ground the shocks were outboard of the axle. Even the drivetrain components were lightened. Interesting fact is none of the Hendrick Teams couldn't get it to work then they decided to throw a different spring package at it in Charlotte it ended up a second quicker than any other Hendrick chassis during testing. Jeff won the race pocketed the $1,000,000 purse it passed tech and then Bill France made the call to ban the car and rewrote the rules to make sure it wouldn't ever compete again.
@@robertrotz4717 that was Micheal Waltrip and Junior Johnson in the Winston Open. JJ had made a bad fast car, with even a badder motor. Which cost him a fortune. After starting towards the rear of the field and came up during the event. The moment it crossed the line, the engine blew up. But to all Nascars knowledge, it was within regulation. (VERY SHORT VERSION)
The Plymouth Superbird is such a beauty
Ugliest car In History
Definitely an acquired taste. Beautiful more for what and who it represents.
@@R34GTRR35 Maybe... Some people have negative opinion of the two cars mentioned in your ID.
00:14 Toyota Celica GT-Four (cheating)
01:25 Brabham BT46B “fan car” (active vacuum to stick car down)
02:10 Chaparral 2E "Active suspension"
"2:51 Chaparral 2J "even better active suspension
03:37 Lotus 56 "Turbine power"
04:35 Chevrolet Hendrick “T-Rex” "Everham built the car "to the book" but found a few points (front bumper) that made the car dominate.
06:19 Plymouth Superbird "Banned with other aero cars as speeds were getting too fast.. big motors also axed..
07:44 Lotus 88 "Active aeros that let the car dominate.. **note to self, if your car kills? just win by a little bit, not 20 minutes ahead..
2J was for active aero and there was then a complete ban of all active aero for can am, meaning Nissan had to redesign their wing. 88 was primarily for trying to use two chassis to try and get the recently banned skirts back in use, but the suspension was partially involved
Where's the explanation of why each were banned?
They weren't banned from FoS, it's cars that were banned from their respective racing series
T-Rex cause and I quote "it's easier to kill Frankenstein's monster than it is to get along with it"
@@AzathothsAlarmClock the trex was banned after just 1 race
@@AzathothsAlarmClock After one season, The Superbird and Dodge Daytona were banned for being "too fast" in the 1970 season.
24 Dupont Trex ver was heckin banned XD
4:40 I love this gesture, "IMMORTAN! IMMORTAN JOE!" And in frenzied tribute he takes off his own steering wheel and holds it high for his god to see. So freaking cool.
Toyota Celica GT-Four: -Banned for illegal turbo restrictor- Not banned. Team was disqualified for using turbo restrictor to cheat in a later GT-Four
Brabham BT46: -Banned for fan being a moveable aerodynamic device- Banned for being too good
Chaparral 2E: Banned for wing strut failures being unsafe
Chaparral 2J Banned for sliding skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices
Lotus 56: Banned for using turbine engine
Chevrolet Hendrick T-Rex: Banned for being too good
Plymouth Superbird: Banned for dangerously high top speeds
Lotus 88: Banned for side skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices
The Brabham fan car was never banned. It was voluntarily withdrawn. It was not in breach of any regulation and was completely legal.
The Toyota wasn’t banned either, the team (Toyota Team Europe) was banned not the car, and it wasn’t even that model involved in the controversy. The cars continued to compete under Toyota Team Sweden and others, but with legal turbos fitted.
Also your edit for the Brabham is wrong. It was not withdrawn before competition. It won the first and only race it contested and there was no issue with cooling.
It's a sin to hear the Brabham running so slowly. I remember the Alfa V12 engine sounding even better than a Ferrari.
As a Mopar guy, I must say I loved the Plymouth. An absolutely gorgeous car.
A Japanese guy had one in my neighborhood. It was huge!
I love every one of those cars. They represent thinking way outside the box.
Oh the good old days !!!!!
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@@sPACEjee No Thanks
The Tyrell P34 was also really iconic, and I’m so thankful it was here this year.
@@evanyoon1230 I agree. That is another car I loved. Was always a Jim Hall Fan as a kid as well.
well, for the lotus 56 I believe they were thinking inside the house, hence the doorstop design
Somebody needs to make a Frankenstein of all the banned cars and then the ultimate being is born 😂
So imagine this setup. A Superbird wing on a 2J wing on a Ford Tyrell 6 wheeler chassis (not featured here, but banned non the less), top it off with some none restricted turbos and a oversized V8. You can finish the rest of the build if you please :)
@@jonbeargenx I'm not that knowledgeable about the banned cars but that setup must be angelic. Just imagine how fast it would be with a modern technology touch added to it 😳
@@dancinglizard3080 well probably have to touch things up for aerodynamic purposes
@@jonbeargenx With the Celica's ultra-rare gearbox
"So excited to hear" then proceeds to talk over the whole time
It’s his job after all
That odd black thing on the back of the Chaparral 2J was the cover for the fan belts and was called the Martian Bra. Another odd car from the 1970 Can-Am series was the Shadow, which was a small car with 10 and 12 inch wheels, and the radiators buried in a large rear wing to decrease the frontal area of the car. This was also quickly banned. That was the year Bruce McLaren died in an accident testing the M8D Can-Am car at Goodwood.
The Brabham BT46B was never banned. Bernie Ecclestone withdrew it voluntarily to prevent a split inside the nascent Formula One Constructors Association.
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Yes it was, or so says wiki : "According to Ecclestone's biographer Terry Lovell, the heads of the other FOCA teams, led by Colin Chapman threatened to withdraw their support for Ecclestone unless he withdrew the BT46B. Ecclestone negotiated a deal within FOCA whereby the car would have continued for another three races before Brabham would voluntarily withdraw it.[21] However, the Commission Sportive Internationale intervened to declare that henceforth fan cars would not be allowed and the car never raced again in Formula One."
The Brabham 46B wasn't, per se, banned. It was voluntarily withdrawn after only one race, but FIA had ruled that it would be allowed to race the entire season. Bernie Ecclestone didn't want to risk his F1-political aspirations, though, and had it removed.
What year was Petty in his Superbird at Goodwood? One of my strongest childhood motor-head memories was seeing that combo racing on ‘ABC’s Wide World of Sports’ - 200mph in 1970!
2015, we even went to help get it fired up for the first time! ua-cam.com/video/C9LFgsLQATc/v-deo.html
This video had so much potential! Whilst it is lovely to see these cars there is zero information on any of them really or the reason for their ban?! Even a little text banner at the bottom for each vehicle would have been a great addition
one guy Smokey Yunick could double the list of cars
Tru love that guy
Lmao and maybe junior johnson?
I was showered with goosebumps listening to that gorgeous Lotus 88, and I can’t believe those ears stayed on that helmet!
T-Rex wasn't technically "banned" since it was within the NASCAR Winston Cup Series rulebook... they just told Rick Hendrick, Ray Evernham and Jeff Gordon to not bring it back
Chaparral 2j is the embodiment of your competition is eating your dust literally
I saw the Chaparral 2F "2E with a roof basically" in the BAOC 500 sportscar race at Brands Hatch in the 60's.also the Lotus Gas Turbine car in either a GP or the Race of Champions.
I seem to remember the 2F did quite well.
2J is the world's fastest Dyson.
Reminds me of when Ferrari attempted to enter touring car races with the 250LM - Maranello bolted a box on the back, thus giving the car the requisite 'boot'! Needless to say, even the FIA thought it was a step too far LOL!
The 56B was entered in both. It was on course for a storm up the field in wet weather at Zandvoort due to the AWD but the driver overcooked it and spun off.
Story of the Plymouth Superbird: Chrysler Corporation had a defense division that built missiles for the US Army. The top brass in the company was wondering why that, despite the best engines in NASCAR, the racers who raced Mopar products kept coming in dead last. Someone in the boardroom pointed out that there were rocket scientists who worked for Chrysler. So the missile engineers were called in, who pointed out the aerodynamic flaws of Chrysler's "sport" coupes. The lead aerodynamicist pointed out some aerodynamic changes that would cut down the aerodynamic drag of the vehicle significant enough to greatly improve the top speed of the vehicle on the new superspeedways, where Chrysler was getting killed by the competition. It also improved the theoretical top speed, to a point where aerodynamic lift would raise the car off the ground, so a spoiler wing would be needed. NASCAR homologation rules required that a certain number of the model be offered for sale to the general public. The weight of the spoiler was too great and the size was too wide to allow the trunk ("boot") to open, so marketing demanded a fix. Thats how the rear wing came about 😉
Best explanation! Couldnt have said it better myself. 👌
See, this is why COoL is "cool"....
Love the subtitles, everytime a car passes by, it says "music" 😁
E&E (engine & exhaust) genre.
Allegedly banned car video, but nothing is said why they were banned.,.. great video .. very informative...lmao
The lotus 88 was banned cuz that driver had special helmet which produces more downforce. The slap-on ears.
The GT-Four in this video was not that GT-Four, which was banned. In the Video, the car is earlier than 1995, the banned car was from 1995
That last Lotus was phenomenal.
Its so cool to hear and see these bits of history
Wrong toyota. ST 205 was banned for illegal turbo bypass system. Not ST 185. Anyway good stuff despite this.
2:17 "I'm just so excited to hear what it sounds like"
Don't shut up even for a second and don't let anyone hear what it sounds like
Remember the old saying? If you can't beat 'em ban 'em!
Thanks for sharing this as some of these banned cars I've only ever seen pics or video of them parked in a car museum.
I saw both Chaparels run in the Can Am series.
Thanks for the descriptions
No problem.
See class, now "that's" humor
Wrong Celica, it was later ST205, which was banned (or, actually the cheater turbo was banned, ST205 rallied later with legal turbo), not the ST185 presented here.
Yup, acknowledged in the description, we thought it better to show the car on a rally stage, and the ST205 has only been on the hill.
Superbird / Daytona wasn't banned, simply handicapped out of competitveness by limiting the engine displacement to 305 cu in when everybody else was at 426-427 cu in. Still, one team tried running with the 305 but had engine failures ( trying to get more HP out of less displacement. )
The Chaparral 2J "sucker car" was my favorite as a kid, it was so bizarre and it actually worked. This car created a whole new Chaparral fan club. (see what I did there?)
5:30 There brushing the rubbah of the trach
Was disappointed not to see the Ant Hill Mob and Professor Pat Pending but you can't have everything I guess..
The Arkansas Chugabug was my favourite!
@3:19 - Hard to believe that a 2 cylinder, 40 hp engine drowns out a 650 hp 427 V8 race engine.....but it does! Incredibly creative machine.
How awesome would it be to be banned from GWFoS. 🤣🤣🤣
There not
They were banned for racing in their respective championships/series’ mate, not actually banned by Goodwood.
It really wouldn't, thankfully none of these cars are banned from FOS.
@@GoodwoodRR what will it take to ban a certain car? lol genuinely curious
If there were a racing car whose performance came from its ability to mess with electronic timing systems or being as wide as the track, that probably wouldn’t be allowed in.
Crazy how some cars came out of museums and get semi rebuild to run again!
6:19 The king of the piston cups
He did what in his cup?
@@GR1MRACER Do you know the Cars trilogy? He's the 7th times winner of the piston cup, only McQueen won 4
@@albert9784 Bruh he's quoting Tow Mater. He knows about the Cars movie
@@zakvilanilam3388 He seems he doesn't know about cars
Number 7 Have a look at this vid " Richard Petty's 200mph Plymouth Superbird On The Road " on the channel " Goodwood Road & Racing "
The Superbird didn’t really get banned, it had a engine displacement restriction of only 305 cubic inch (vs the 426 Hemi). This applied to the other “aero cars” , Dodge Charger 500, Dodge Charger Daytona, Ford Torino Talladega, and the Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II. Only one team fielded a aero car for the 1971 Daytona 500 using the 305 power plant, the Mario Rossi owned #22 Dodge Daytona driven by Richard Brooks. The 305 cubic inch engine was built by legendary Mopar engine builder Keith Black. The car qualified 8th and led a handful of laps before getting damaged in an altercation, but it still finished 7th overall. So the car could still be run, but it just had to use a smaller engine.
It would have been nice to have some info about each car and why it was banned.
Gotta love a NASCAR doing a standing burnout and generally being a Yank for the British dog and pony crowd
@@King-er7ef Clown; give it a break about your specialized non-racing burnout cars.
As a Yank, I was embarrassed that It (literally) had to stink up an otherwise interesting lineup. NASCAR is acceptable when you're an adolescent and watching it on TV whilst flicking through the channels, but it's pretty boring after that point.
Electric cars will never be this exciting with this much heritage
The BT46B wasn’t banned, it was withdrawn by Ecclestone
@@AzathothsAlarmClock The other F1 drivers basically held a meeting, saying that the 46B was throwing up stones and other débris at the following drivers. It later turned out that it did nothing of the sort, but the other drivers invented a way of having the car banned. Bernie withdrew the car before the inevitable happened...
You omitted Michael May's winged Porsche 550, banned at Nurburgring in 1956 because the Porsche team was humiliated that it was faster in practice than the factory cars. This was more than a decade before Jim Hall slapped a big wing onto a Chaparral 2.
Nobody goes full tilt on the cars then there is the Lotus 88.
I suspect because you need to see why it was banned - over 100 mph the body is pushed down by the air, independent of the suspension and creates a seal with the track and hence more downforce. Chapman’s cars were awesome. We hear what Gordon Murray and Adrian Newey have done, and that’s right and proper but we lost Chapman way too early and I fear he’s getting relegated or forgotten.
@@landhopper4296 The most influential designer for about 25 years was Dr Harvey Postlethwaite. The high nose / splitter plate combination came from one of his Tyrrells and is still with us. It will change with the reintroduction of wing cars next year but that idea made flat bottom cars work aerodynamically.
Lotus 88 what an absolute monster of analogue racing car.
2:51 aircond box.🤣
From memory, the only car that was specifically banned from the Goodwood Festival was the " new" lightweight Jaguar E-Type, these were completed a few years ago, by the same Jaguar engineers who built the 1960s original lightweight, and built by Jaguar, in the same factory, 20 were planned originally but only 13 were built, so Jaguar finished building the remaining 7, but his Lordship would not accept them, calling them replicas, if you are the owner of Goodwood, you can do as you see fit.
They weren't banned from Goodwood; they were banned from competition and are being seen AT Goodwood.
Nice to see the Lotus 88 and these other legendary cars in action UwU👌
What would be cool to have is a banned cars category with the rule breaking details as to why they were banned in the first place.
Every time I’ve seen footage of the BT46B, the fan is never turning…
The fins you see at the back of the car are the mounting not the actual fan blades.
@@bobroberts2371 ahhh… Thank you!
In answer to Greg Felix Gordon Murray very cleverly designed the fan to be activated by a series of clutches, so in a straight line it had minimal to no downforce, so sometimes it was not rotating at all.
That Chaparel engine sound is divine.
Some context for some of these would have been good during the clip...
Brabham and second Chaparall: because they had fans, who sucked them to the ground.
First Chaparall: Active aerodynamic unit.
T-Rex: Because it was too fast (afaik, it was perfectly built acording to the regulatory, but simply made all the other cars look bad)
Plymouth: Short answer: It was too old. Longer answer: despite still being competitive, it didn't meet safety standards anymore, and due to new sales regulations (back then, they needed to produce and sell a certain amount of Stock cars), it was over
Lotus 56: Gas turbine and AWD
I do know that the T. rex and the super bird were banned for just being to fast in comparison to the competition
Its not Banned cars in the Goodwood
Its Banned cars in their class Driving at Goodwood for those who didnt understand the title
The Brabham BT46B wasn't banned , Bernie withdrew it.
every time, i watch Goodwood FOS i feel goosebump🥺🥺
An interesting video,
Or it would have been if we had known why they were banned..
They were talking about the Celica like it was a group B car, comparing it to the RS200, right? But that was the Group A Celica, which was banned for cheating instead.
The best clickbait i ever see :D
Percentage of comments stating the BT46B wasn’t banned but withdrawn by Ecclestone: 68% of total comments.
I think the NASCAR stock car got banned for being too American at the start.
Nope; it got banned from RACING because it used underbody aerodynamics that was new and unlike all the other cars at the time.
The Brabham wasn't banned. That's a common misconception. It was voluntarily withdrawn from the championship but didn't breach any regulations.
of course it didnt, it was banned because it was too unfair
The concept behind it was banned, afterwards.
I was about to post the same thing! Bernie had bigger plans. ..
I thought it was banned from Goodwood ferstival 🤣🤣
2:15 "I've always wanted to hear this thing" that's why hr won't stop talking for 1 second and ruin it for everybody watching online. Awesome
I was hoping for explanations for why each one was banned. Or perhaps a description of the unfair advantage they had. Thumbs down for this one :(
Goodwood is an exhibition series for old cars. These cars were banned in their respective series. The ENTIRE video is clips form Goodwood.
The thumbnail should have instantly clarified the meaning of the title, for any serious piston head.
That 88 looks amazing! The helmet of the pilot didnt😂😁
6:19 DINOCO
Actually is Sunoco the original
@@albert9784 Yeah I know that it just always gives me nostalgia from watching it as a kid
The 2J reminds me of warm summer days cutting the grass
Just so we're clear the BT46B fan car was never technically banned. It was withdrawn before it could be banned
some context as to why the individual cars were banned would make this more interesting for the casual. otherwise it's just a random list of cars.
The Brabham was the fastest vacuum cleaner ever built.
TECHNICALLY (🤓) the BT46B wasn't banned, Ecclestone pulled it fearing his position at FOCA was in danger. The ban of fan cars came a bit later
Love the Chaparral 2E and the Superbird! I guess I just like tall wings.
What noise did the chaparral 2j make?
That Lotus 56 looks awesome.
The Chaparral 2J haunts me every time I see it on any Gran Turismo game
You gotta admit......its such a awsome car :))
The Lotus 56 is hands down my favorite car ever.
do you have information on why these cars are banned?
The heat coming from the lotus was crazy enough to warm 5 houses at least :) or 400 pairs if socks .
Wasn't it a turbine powered car?
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't there be an unlimited class just like any other track?
Geez that Lotus is a weapon!
Project Cars 2 has the turbine Lotus 56 and it’s a dream to drive; insanely fun and fast.
What year was 4:35 with the T-Rex?
I think it's 2009