Happy to contribute to legal costs, if a crowdfunding is active or considered. I believe Lucy is innocent and a scapegoat for a failing hospital and failure by others.
The public and the families that where affected need to atleast realise there where no real decisive evidence, just snippets lifted to make her appear to be guilty. Don't forget, the medical industry will also club together to cover up any "Malpractice" and they are good at that! And the defence panel is very recognised and distinguished.
OMG, shocking . The more I listen, obsoluntly shameful. How can this happen. Wow, Mark, you and your team are fantastic. Thoughts with Lucy and her family.
It happens all the time, I have a psycho neighbour who harassed me for 5 years, driving cars and vehicles close to me etc when I eventually decided to hit back, by going to the police, him and his family have did there best to destroy my name. They'd lie and lie that's how things are
So is what Richard saying - they killed the baby by stabbing it in the liver which was in the wrong position because they had the ventilator set to too high a pressure and then blamed it all on Lucy? And is anything going to happen to those who did this? Probably not. There are just no words to describe how twisted that is.
They said the babie where murdered when we find out it wasn’t her their doors will be knocked down 1 by 1. None of them will be able to sleep a wink or enjoy their freedom it’s upto 25 years in jail for knowingly lying under oath in court or just writing a letter in support of anything to a court case perverting the course of justice & perjury combined should be around 30 years each professional that chose to come forward to have an innocent care giver lifed off
@@chloesimone8885 my dear, you must have missed the part where the real justice system is exposed. The UK teaches one thing, sometimes shows that same face in court and many a time ignores all of that justice business. He who pays the piper calls the tunes. Such is the true face of justice in the UK. There are exceptions, but it is no longer the Rule of Law here, if it ever was. More like, what they are minded to give you. And yes, I do have over a decade and a half experience and qualifications in law, and no, it does not please me to say the above. Just that most of us need disabusing of the fact that UK law is a most unworthy idol. It is a classist, highly discriminative system. Looks great on the outside.
If a nurse was present, they will always be the first choice for scapegoat when a hospital trust wants to cover up their failings. Additionally, the diary entries that were interpreted as confessions are a typical example of ongoing reflective practice, something all nurses are expected to do when things go wrong. It's extremely common for nurses in critical care settings to believe that something they did or didn't do contributed to a patients' death, but funnily enough, we don't usually sit down and write a cold objective essay at the end of every difficult shift. Most of us just jot down a few notes about what happened, how we're feeling, and what we could have done differently, or if it's been particularly upsetting we tend to have a chat with a colleague who understands how it feels when a patient dies on your watch. So it's not surprise that she's wrote in her diary about these events. If anything, it shows that she took her job seriously and was a diligent nurse.
@@rosiejoy9820 I've read a lot of nurses reflective notes and none of them have ever said 'Im evil. I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough ' ...
This exemplifies the difference between a genuine expert witness and a person who likes to pretend that they are an expert (who also has a complete disregard of the duty of an expert in legal proceedings).
Totally...even in how the are so careful and diligent saying they cannot affirm or say something in certain words...Sadly this is generally taken as less forward than someone who claims to know it all without a doubt and shouts it out loud...
And yet not new evidence to go into a CCRC submission. Although I take my hat if to MacDonald for the way it's been handled so far. If this doesn't work, he's admitted there's no new evidence and yet so many people were saying it's coming out of everyone's ears. I do think it's a good thing that he's done the press conference though. Just a bit sad that some people immediately believe it because the Defence are talking.
In my first few months of nursing in critical care, I had an elderly patient who was admitted to ICU following a huge brain haemorrhage. He had close to zero chance of survival, the relatives were around the bedside saying their goodbyes, and the medical team had made the decision to withdraw active treatment. But because he was my patient, and he died an hour after I came on shift after I adjusted his position in the bed, I felt very strongly at the time that it was my fault. It wasn't at all rational, but I cried on a colleague's shoulder saying that I'd killed him. It's terrifying to me now that if I had written about it, as we are expected to do, that this could later be used as a confession of murder in order to protect a few powerful hospitals bosses. It honestly makes me question whether I even want to stay in this profession.
It must be very difficult to deal with the passing of a patient whilst under your care. The trick must be not to personalise it and Be a warrior. I've been an icu patient several times and feel that I owe my life to all icu staff especially, Not just the surgeons doctors and machines. I hope you continue being a hero to your patients...
@@janetmarybowen3157 The Hospital's exposure to damages due to malpractice was greatly reduced. They were already in trouble because of the Noah Robinson malpractice suit where they ended up paying 8 1/2 million pound in compensation. The press report announcing that a police investigation was underway also informed us that a number of parent's had engaged Slater and Gorden to commence a malpractice suit. Under UK law a civil case cannot proceed if a criminal case is underway.
People talk about a retrial etc..but oh Lord...by the looks of it she should have never been charged, no way the stuff they had meets the threshold..specially hearing the prosecutor saying that she charged LL because she could not find any other explanation for the deaths...it goes against all principles in Law! what to say to those who say this is all noise??? you tell them : listen carefully...
its quite remarkable that this has happened I saw that dr tv presenter fellow getting irritated with mark mcdonald in an interview and another dr also overly defensive. they are trying to silence the noise. Thirwell inquiry etc wanting to throw away the key and move on. This is a very important case that will have consequences for all doctors and nurses. Oh and the 'hummingbird' smug fest cops with no evidence. Sanctimonious and biased. Disgusting.
An absolute travesty and a blatant mis- carriage of justice. I always felt deep down that Lucy did nothing wrong and she was made a scapegoat for failings by her superiors who blatantly lied to the court. These are the people who should be in prison.
Thank God! My feelings after the original trial were of horror that LL had been convicted! A massive miscarriage of justice. Lucy is a scapegoat and needs our support.
@ no there isn’t. There’s the usual bunch of antivax, flat Earth, low achieving conspiracy cranks on social media pointlessly ranting like their opinion means anything to anyone and a showboating legal team trying to grift money. That’s all
This is why capital punishment should never be used or considered ever again. Lucy Letby has been made a scapegoat to cover up the hospital’s incompetence in this matter. She is innocent IMO and should be released pending a new trial.
@woodcote103 or a waste on EDI and incompetent managers. The consultants killed the baby and framed the weirdo nurse. Incompetent consultants are a big problem more money onto the wasting machine won't solve.
Im so glad they are considering the statistics. I have no strong opinion on LL's guilt/innocence but I am convinced this aspect of the evidence was a complete sham.
@@Mychannel67-wh4tc The trial was a travesty, more like a 17th Century witch trial. The prosecution simply, figuratively speaking, battered the count over the head with the sheer weight of often completely worthless evidence for 8 months with little opposition until Lucy was broken in the witness box and the jury had been beaten into submission.
@@Mychannel67-wh4tc Exactly. I believe Allitt is innocent also. Firstly where was her defence expert witness? Secondly, the prosecution expert witness was the now discredited Roy Meadow. It's a total cover up too!!
Thank you for all ur efforts for Lucy. I do understand some of why Ms Letby came under suspicion, & even now I do not profess to know the whole truth of this complex case. Nonetheless, it seems there is, at the very least, a Reasonable Doubt as to Lucy's guilt. Her case needs to be totally re-examined, with a view to identifying & making amends for a possibly egregious miscarriage of justice.
The 2016 Care Quality Commission Report gives so many clues to exactly how the Countess of Chester Hospital, Neonatal Ward was operated in 2015 and 2016. 1. There were 9 Stillbirths from the Maternity Ward that began in June 2015 to October 2015. 2. The Thirlwall Inquiry revealed 9 additional Baby deaths that were not pinned on Letby.
This has the all the classic makings of a dramatic film or TV series at some point in the future. Lets hope if they do and Lucy is finally exonerated the proceeds of the film go to Lucy and her immediate family. No amount of recompense can ever make up for the loss of freedom and mental destruction let alone prison time and the awful vilification she endured long before the trial. h. By any stretch of the imagination, there now appears a wealth of information questioning her guilt that will not simply go away. The law justices will have a lot of explaining to do if they reject this appeal next time round and it could seriously undermine the whole legal system of how appeals are allowed or refused and on what basis they make their judgements.
The Countess of Chester should be closed down… until these consultants, and expert witnesses, are thoroughly investigated, and brought to justice. And, a fresh investigation should definitely EXCLUDE the advice/evidence of the hospital’s two MASONIC legal advisers.
Interesting to learn, around 45:00, that some 60 expert international medical witnesses are preparing reports for this and no-one has yet asked for a fee; that they seem to be working for a common feeling that something has gone dreadfully wrong. I hope this is not the product of delayed invoicing or from career-enhancing motivations but from true professional altruism.
I am grateful that this is being looked into more closely. So many questions left many of us in doubt after the trial. It would be well that these questions be put to rest once and for all. I signed the petition on Lucy’s behalf. It is probably still online. In watching the trial, I could have come out on both sides of the verdict with equal conviction; yet those nagging doubts remained. Thank you to all concerned who are looking into each question.
@@Mychannel67-wh4tc If what you say is true, please identify (1) these 2 (or more) times that she was "caught in the act" (i.e. baby references); and (2) who specifically caught her in the act?
This must be terrible for the parents and might longer term be laid at the gates of the CPS. But also the last Conservative Govt must bear a lot of responsibility because they abolished the Forensic Science Service. The CPS expert here bounced around and eagerly pushed himself forwards for the job. This simply never would have happened when the FSS was around as there would have been national peer led internal supervision of the work they did for the CPS and Police Forces. The very reason the FSS was set up (Skuse and Birmingham 6) was to stop these kinds of loaded Forensic Scientific investigations and reporting and prosecutions prosecutions based on them. Successive Governments learnt nothing from the criticisms over the Birmingham Six prosecutions it would seem.
There is something very wrong with this whole case...I thought that from the very beggining. The 'evidence' was overwhelmingly weak from the bits I have read!
This reveals the evil of the Drs involved that were quite happy for a nurse to take the blame to cover their gross medical negligence and incompetence.. and really just how far they will go to cover their own ass.
Sick twisted … I hate the NHS I’d sign if tomorrow and never see a doctor again in my life health is wealth .. eat healthy you don’t need these evil doctors xx
Lucy needs to be immediately released on bail. It is shocking what is happening. Complete shambles. Come her legal team help her. Mark Mcdonald. The previous trail is the obsoluntly shameful. Strength to Lucy, family and friends
@@michelefox9539 probably because the Trust would just have paid out negligence claims and they couldn't have known about the sheets, the searches and the notes.
Both Evans and Jayaram committed perjury by changing their stories, and one of the doctors killed a child and let Lucy take the blame for it. We know Brearey and Jayaram were sweating and needed a scapegoat to save their skins.
While Lucy Letby's defence counsel was understandably polite regarding Lady Justice Thirlwall's inquiry; her experience and its terms of reference, surely Lady Thirlwall herself cannot continue to ignore all the doubt and contradiction that is shaking her inquiry's foundations, from outside and from within?
@Dontstandinthepark You don't need it in this case. You need an error in law, I presume. Though new evidence being that the expert accepts they were wrong might indicate that the jury were misled.
@@ScruffyTubbles they’re trying to get an appeal that’s already been refused twice based on their “new evidence” but they don’t have new evidence, just fantasy stories
@Dontstandinthepark Well there's been quite a bit recently hasn't there?! Prosecution an police withholding statistical evidence. The leak about Lucy not being there when these deteriorations occurred, even though the jury were told she was. There's two recent ones to be going on with
The biggest problem is our judicial system has judge's that are to old and do not have the ability or intellectual knowledge to sit in judgement of complex speciality cases, they are chosen to position by a system that has not caught up with current technology and time
Always thought this was a miscarriage of justice Lucy is innocent. Free this lady and allow her to be conviction free and the so called experts Dr Evans be charged for what he's done. Poor Lucy's parents I hope they can all find peace asap x
I am not sure that she was innocent, but I am definitely not sure she was guilty and there are serious experts who have cast doubt on a lot of the evidence. One thing that this trial has shown is that "demeanour" evidence, i.e how people appear while testifying is very unreliable. Remember she was remanded in custody for 21 months before the trial and I´d dare say I would be feeling a bit odd if that had happened. The defence team actually made this point in the original trial tbf, i.e they said that that kind of evidence was interpreted in a very arbitrary way, i.e Letby didn´t cry when she was "Supposed to" and cried "when she wasn´t supposed to.
I thought she was guilty too, until I realised how shoddy that hospital/ unit is/ was. I can't believe they only did ward rounds twice a week!! Even stable patients on a 'normal' ward are reviewed at least once a day. These were really sick babies. Lucy blew the whistle with her concerns , as is the right thing to do, and look where she ended up. Nurses will be reluctant to report anything now - it's not worth risking life in prison.
I had to go to a private hospital to get a diagnosis of endometriosis and my GP will not even refer me to an NHS waiting list. I've been expected to pay for my operation even though I paid into the system for years and years. Im on universal credit and cannot work due to being in so much pain. I think the NHS failed these babies like they have failed me and are expecting Lucy Letby to take the rap. I hope she receives justice soon!
I’ve had to pay for surgery in private hospitals too, as a result of being failed by the NHS on numerous occasions. With my last surgery, the consultant at the private hospital (who was at the top of his field - professor) did suggest that I go onto his waiting list, as he could see I had been failed by the NHS and said I shouldn’t have to pay for private surgery (he could see that I had spent tens of thousands in private hospital on prior occasions too), but by then I’d been suffering for too long, so decided to pay and have it done within a matter of days. Just wish I’d gone private sooner! Would’ve saved me a year of pain and suffering, which resulted in addiction to morphine (prescribed by hospital & GP), from which it was extremely difficult to be weaned off!!
Hope justice is served and the truth comes out. Scary that a young nurse is in prison for something that she probably didn’t do. The truth will out. Keep going all. Those poor families of the babies and of course LL too. What a horror.
@@Dontstandinthepark Why did they change the verdict from unanimous and why did one person drop out? And it took some time to reach a verdict which would only need 10 out of the usual 12?
No baby on a neonatal unit dies because of declining placental function in itself. They may die due to the consequences of it, but that's not the case for Baby C.
I heard The Crown is considering charging Lucy with at least two additional murders. If that transpires, it will likely close down discussions like this on the grounds they're sub judice.
Consultants make a big error, or errors. Nobody knows, or at least nobody reports it, and no consequences ensue. So they decide to bring it to the attention of management and ask for the police to be involved. You can see how nuts that idea is.
The hospital was advise by a solicitor from Slater and Gordon that several of the parents were initiating legal action alleging malpractice that resulted in the deaths of their babies. The day the hospital was advised of this the police were requested to investigate. Under UK law if a police investigation is underway a civil case cannot proceed. You will note the case of baby Noah Robinson who was killed by one of the Consultants negligence ( who testified against Lucy Letby) and the resulting payout of 8 1/2 million pounds. If a death is the result of criminal action the Hospital's liability is greatly reduced.
If the dr that gave the cause of death at the trial has now decided the cause of the death is different.. I think that in itself renders those cases based on fiction and not fact. If your going to charge someone with murder you should have the cause of death accurate. As for witnesses she was in or around babies when their condition deteriorated , probably because she was on duty and worked most days doing extra shifts .. no one witnessed her actual doing harm or tampering with anything. All evidence was circumstantial.
@@gillianstapleton8566 Originally evans said that the xray taken on 12th showed that air had been forced into Baby C stomach. Turned out that Lucy didn't meet Baby C until the 13th.
The entire apparatus of the state was deployed to find unicorns in order to scapegoat the whistleblower Lucy Letby rather than admit to seeing the stampeding horses responsible for providing substandard clinical care to vulnerable babies.
Brearey attempted to aspirate the baby's abdomen to relieve the air build-up, by inserting a needle from the point where one would cut for appendectomy. As it happens, he was doing it from the wrong side (should have been the left side), he was too high, thus piercing the liver of the poor little thing. This is an honest mistake (if sadly incompetent), but the lying and covering it up, to the point of pinning it on an innocent nurse....well, we all have a name for people like that, don't we?😢
@@colinjohnston9614 if the psychopathic baby killer nurse hadn’t injected the air, he wouldn’t have had to do the botched procedure. Your argument is that it’s the surgeons fault if he fails to save somebody with a gunshot wound, not the shooter
@@colinjohnston9614Where is the liver in relation to the appendix? Why would a consultant paediatrician of many years get something so simple so wrong? That doesn’t make sense.
The heads at the COA have a massive dilemma. To act fairly and grant an appeal and risk embarrassing many in the justice system, or to refuse an appeal by some dodgy interpretation of the rules and cause outrage. It won't be a quick decision.
@@lesley9989 What are you on about?. My first post here in this thread was in response to what the OP said, which was merely asking questions (to the OP) seeking clarification in respect of what they said. My 2nd post was to you to let you know your claim (about me) was wrong and to ask you a question, which you have avoided answering.
@@robbomax1143you di you know they have! A bit like everyone thinking the police didn't even investigate anyone else when they weren't part of the investigation. Then how do you know they did? Etc
@@lesley9989 Regarding your first reply, It would massively help if you read what I said instead of inventing things in your own mind. I never made any claim (about what information they did or did not have access to), I merely asked a question to the OP. I have not cherry-picked anything. Also, I am not part of any "all" that you are referring to.
@@lesley9989 regarding your 2nd post. if you want to try and post something that is coherent and makes sense then I will address what you have to say. If you intend to clarify what you are trying to say then please avoid making references to "everyone" and "all" because I only speak on behalf of myself.
@@caz4961 If you listened, The lawyer said there was 2 avenues he was pursuing. One is in relation to new evidence and the other is Evans changing his opinion that he gave in court.
@@caz4961 What you say has got nothing to do with what I posted in my reply. With regard to what you say, Evans was the lead expert that gave evidence in relation to all the babies. None of the other experts gave evidence in relation to all babies. Evans consistently said there was no other plausible cause other than what he was advocating was the cause (in each case). Also, other experts were provided with his reports before preparing their reports. That is not how experts should prepare their reports.
I've not even heard that he changed his position on more than one baby and he changed that in agreement with all the other expert testimonies at the trial so that path has a dead end!
@@caz4961 If you've not heard that then I suggest you listen to the press conference again (or listen to it for the first time if you've not already done so).
So, the doctor who accidentally pierced the liver of the baby did this when he was trying to save the baby's life? Is this right ? Had the baby already been injected with air?
@Dontstandinthepark I see, so she still killed the child ! So really this is not what it's being made out to be? The cause of death might be something different after all but Letby had still committed the crime in the first place ,so the baby would not have lived either way. I don't think this will help free her, like so many think.
@@Victoria12339 Unfortunately, Dontstandinthepark does not know the subject matter that he/she is trying to talk about. I suggest (if you are going to listen to anyone) that you find somebody that actually knows what they are talking about.
@@Dontstandinthepark Perhaps I am wrong but it would appear the OP was referring to the doctor that allegedly stuck a needle in the liver (as identified by the Doctor in this press conference), whereas you appear to be referring to Evans. If you are referring to Evans then you've demonstrated that you don't know the role of an expert witness in court.
I'm doubtful as of yet that she is innocent, time will tell but I do know that consultants in hospitals Fk up and injure people and yet there is zero recourse when they do! It's wrong! As wrong as if letby harmed a baby, drs harm patients every day and should be accountable whether that's nhs or private.
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Happy to contribute to legal costs, if a crowdfunding is active or considered.
I believe Lucy is innocent and a scapegoat for a failing hospital and failure by others.
Ditto that
💯, it was a stitch up
Count me in, anytime
I think everyone is waking up to the fact this case is completely flawed
The public and the families that where affected need to atleast realise there where no real decisive evidence, just snippets lifted to make her appear to be guilty. Don't forget, the medical industry will also club together to cover up any "Malpractice" and they are good at that!
And the defence panel is very recognised and distinguished.
OMG, shocking . The more I listen, obsoluntly shameful. How can this happen.
Wow, Mark, you and your team are fantastic.
Thoughts with Lucy and her family.
It happens all the time, I have a psycho neighbour who harassed me for 5 years, driving cars and vehicles close to me etc when I eventually decided to hit back, by going to the police, him and his family have did there best to destroy my name. They'd lie and lie that's how things are
So is what Richard saying - they killed the baby by stabbing it in the liver which was in the wrong position because they had the ventilator set to too high a pressure and then blamed it all on Lucy? And is anything going to happen to those who did this? Probably not. There are just no words to describe how twisted that is.
Sadly nurses are the low hanging fruit.
There are words. Three of them. Common English Justice.
They said the babie where murdered when we find out it wasn’t her their doors will be knocked down 1 by 1. None of them will be able to sleep a wink or enjoy their freedom it’s upto 25 years in jail for knowingly lying under oath in court or just writing a letter in support of anything to a court case perverting the course of justice & perjury combined should be around 30 years each professional that chose to come forward to have an innocent care giver lifed off
@@chloesimone8885 my dear, you must have missed the part where the real justice system is exposed. The UK teaches one thing, sometimes shows that same face in court and many a time ignores all of that justice business. He who pays the piper calls the tunes. Such is the true face of justice in the UK. There are exceptions, but it is no longer the Rule of Law here, if it ever was. More like, what they are minded to give you. And yes, I do have over a decade and a half experience and qualifications in law, and no, it does not please me to say the above. Just that most of us need disabusing of the fact that UK law is a most unworthy idol. It is a classist, highly discriminative system. Looks great on the outside.
Great Work Mark - Lucy needs our help !
If a nurse was present, they will always be the first choice for scapegoat when a hospital trust wants to cover up their failings. Additionally, the diary entries that were interpreted as confessions are a typical example of ongoing reflective practice, something all nurses are expected to do when things go wrong. It's extremely common for nurses in critical care settings to believe that something they did or didn't do contributed to a patients' death, but funnily enough, we don't usually sit down and write a cold objective essay at the end of every difficult shift. Most of us just jot down a few notes about what happened, how we're feeling, and what we could have done differently, or if it's been particularly upsetting we tend to have a chat with a colleague who understands how it feels when a patient dies on your watch. So it's not surprise that she's wrote in her diary about these events. If anything, it shows that she took her job seriously and was a diligent nurse.
@@rosiejoy9820 I've read a lot of nurses reflective notes and none of them have ever said 'Im evil. I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough ' ...
This exemplifies the difference between a genuine expert witness and a person who likes to pretend that they are an expert (who also has a complete disregard of the duty of an expert in legal proceedings).
Everyone agrees that Letby killed the babies but they aren’t sure exactly how they died. It makes zero difference to the verdict
Totally...even in how the are so careful and diligent saying they cannot affirm or say something in certain words...Sadly this is generally taken as less forward than someone who claims to know it all without a doubt and shouts it out loud...
There were 300 witnesses including the parents who caught her the act 😂
@@Mychannel67-wh4tc Is that so? Caught her in the act of doing what precisely?
@@Mychannel67-wh4tc You do sound a bit dumb still clinging to lies and other nonsense!
It has been clear to me from day 1 that the conviction was completely unsafe. However I wasn't expecting quite so much from this press conference.
And yet not new evidence to go into a CCRC submission. Although I take my hat if to MacDonald for the way it's been handled so far. If this doesn't work, he's admitted there's no new evidence and yet so many people were saying it's coming out of everyone's ears. I do think it's a good thing that he's done the press conference though. Just a bit sad that some people immediately believe it because the Defence are talking.
I echo your comment 💯%...
In my first few months of nursing in critical care, I had an elderly patient who was admitted to ICU following a huge brain haemorrhage. He had close to zero chance of survival, the relatives were around the bedside saying their goodbyes, and the medical team had made the decision to withdraw active treatment. But because he was my patient, and he died an hour after I came on shift after I adjusted his position in the bed, I felt very strongly at the time that it was my fault. It wasn't at all rational, but I cried on a colleague's shoulder saying that I'd killed him. It's terrifying to me now that if I had written about it, as we are expected to do, that this could later be used as a confession of murder in order to protect a few powerful hospitals bosses. It honestly makes me question whether I even want to stay in this profession.
@@rosiejoy9820 The hospital bosses were not helped by her being found guilty.
@@janetmarybowen3157 But maybe the consultants ? Dunno.
Trust your gut and get out do something that makes you happy away from big cooperations like them .. they will fall
It must be very difficult to deal with the passing of a patient whilst under your care.
The trick must be not to personalise it and
Be a warrior.
I've been an icu patient several times
and feel that I owe my life to all icu staff especially,
Not just the surgeons doctors and machines.
I hope you continue being a hero to your patients...
@@janetmarybowen3157 The Hospital's exposure to damages due to malpractice was greatly reduced. They were already in trouble because of the Noah Robinson malpractice suit where they ended up paying 8 1/2 million pound in compensation. The press report announcing that a police investigation was underway also informed us that a number of parent's had engaged Slater and Gorden to commence a malpractice suit. Under UK law a civil case cannot proceed if a criminal case is underway.
Thank God for Mark McDonald and especially those doctors who are working for free.
Good work, Mark McDonald.
Once you understand ,as I did over a year ago, that there were no murders, the rest becomes clear and,at last, real experts are revealing the truth.
Nothing new has happened, you’re just deluding yourself
@@Dontstandinthepark no delusions there. Listen again to the real experts.
@@Dontstandinthepark Who is the deluded one?
So you are saying there were no experts during the 10 month trial, just blokes from down the pub and old gossips off the last bus?
@@Carrie-k7q Who are 'the real experts'? Internet sleuths and lawyers out to make money from the misery of the parents who's children died?
The sooner this ridiculous case is disassembled and Lucy freed the better.
People talk about a retrial etc..but oh Lord...by the looks of it she should have never been charged, no way the stuff they had meets the threshold..specially hearing the prosecutor saying that she charged LL because she could not find any other explanation for the deaths...it goes against all principles in Law!
what to say to those who say this is all noise??? you tell them : listen carefully...
Two separate trials found her guilty 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@Dontstandinthepark New Yorker article, defence team conference...
@@galpandgalp any more irrelevant random words ? The defence press conference today had zero evidence, just grift and propaganda
@@Dontstandinthepark You are aware that trials can actually be infallible, as demonstrated most recently by the Post Office.?
its quite remarkable that this has happened I saw that dr tv presenter fellow getting irritated with mark mcdonald in an interview and another dr also overly defensive. they are trying to silence the noise. Thirwell inquiry etc wanting to throw away the key and move on. This is a very important case that will have consequences for all doctors and nurses. Oh and the 'hummingbird' smug fest cops with no evidence. Sanctimonious and biased. Disgusting.
An absolute travesty and a blatant mis- carriage of justice. I always felt deep down that Lucy did nothing wrong and she was made a scapegoat for failings by her superiors who blatantly lied to the court. These are the people who should be in prison.
You absolutely do not KNOW that.
@@bereal6590these people are crazy
@@bereal6590 I think they know that very well, start using your brains people!
On one hand the NHS senior doctors and management. On the other Lucy Letby .
It's no contest is it . The NHS always wins.
@ you forgot the two trials over ten months and two independent juries agreeing that the psychotic killer nurse was responsible
Thank God! My feelings after the original trial were of horror that LL had been convicted! A massive miscarriage of justice. Lucy is a scapegoat and needs our support.
I believe Lucy to be innocent. God bless her I do hope she will be free soon.
Shocking revelations.
Thank you to the leading panel. Justice will conquer. 🙏
Lucy letby is totally innocent
Thank god the truth is finally getting out there. Such a terrible miscarriage of justice
You clearly have no real understanding of the law
@@Dontstandinthepark you are the expert explain ?
@@shanxy2199 she’s convicted of 14 separate charges, 7 murders, 7 serious harm. Each one beyond reasonable doubt. That’s not a miscarriage of justice
@@DontstandintheparkThere is more than a reasonable doubt now. The whole case needs to be re-evsluated.
@ no there isn’t. There’s the usual bunch of antivax, flat Earth, low achieving conspiracy cranks on social media pointlessly ranting like their opinion means anything to anyone and a showboating legal team trying to grift money. That’s all
This is why capital punishment should never be used or considered ever again. Lucy Letby has been made a scapegoat to cover up the hospital’s incompetence in this matter. She is innocent IMO and should be released pending a new trial.
This is unreal that a doctor has changed his cause of death on 3 babies.
The NHS is in shambles. Total incompetence!
lack of funding for years by the tories....i know from experience...it was bound to happen
@woodcote103 or a waste on EDI and incompetent managers. The consultants killed the baby and framed the weirdo nurse. Incompetent consultants are a big problem more money onto the wasting machine won't solve.
Im so glad they are considering the statistics. I have no strong opinion on LL's guilt/innocence but I am convinced this aspect of the evidence was a complete sham.
Lucy is innocent and well they know it free her now .
Guilty no reasonable doubt, did you not read the transcripts ?
Bev Allit was less guilty
@@Mychannel67-wh4tc
Are the transcripts all that you have read?
@@Mychannel67-wh4tc The trial was a travesty, more like a 17th Century witch trial.
The prosecution simply, figuratively speaking, battered the count over the head with the sheer weight of often completely worthless evidence for 8 months with little opposition until Lucy was broken in the witness box and the jury had been beaten into submission.
@@Mychannel67-wh4tc Exactly. I believe Allitt is innocent also.
Firstly where was her defence expert witness? Secondly, the prosecution expert witness was the now discredited Roy Meadow. It's a total cover up too!!
Thank you for all ur efforts for Lucy. I do understand some of why Ms Letby came under suspicion, & even now I do not profess to know the whole truth of this complex case. Nonetheless, it seems there is, at the very least, a Reasonable Doubt as to Lucy's guilt. Her case needs to be totally re-examined, with a view to identifying & making amends for a possibly egregious miscarriage of justice.
I don't understand why Lucy ever came under suspicion
I believe by this time next year Lucy will be free
HMMMM so Dewi Evans *LIED* in court. . .. . . . .. .. . *I wonder if he will face perjury charges?*
If he'd lied he wouldn't say anything, would he. Der.
@janetmarybowen3157 yes he would if he was covering for somone else .
This whole case has seems dodgy from the get go
@@shanxy2199 Who in God's name would he be covering up for??
@@shanxy2199 How much experience do you have of the UK Court system? No need to reply. The answer is obvious. You’re as green as grass. Be honest 🙄
@janetmarybowen3157 what's god git to do with it .
The whole case is a sham.
I would also like to see this news outlet investigate the many issues with the Lucy Letby case.
The 2016 Care Quality Commission Report gives so many clues to exactly how the Countess of Chester Hospital, Neonatal Ward was operated in 2015 and 2016.
1. There were 9 Stillbirths from the Maternity Ward that began in June 2015 to October 2015.
2. The Thirlwall Inquiry revealed 9 additional Baby deaths that were not pinned on Letby.
Lets hope dodgy Jayaram and Evans are soon arrested and spend a long time in jail.
And , don’t forget Dr Brearey, and his narcissistic “DRAWER OF DOOM”
@@richdeering9580 it's a drawer
@@MariaClarke-w2h Thank You Maria… I didn’t notice that… it’s corrected now
Arrested for what? Lucy was the murderer. She will spend all her life in prison
I sleep comfortably knowing LL is away for life
I'm not a detective or a lawyer but from beginning I've felt something not right about this, seems wishy washy, hope truth prevails
Well your first comment was accurate but after that it just became nonsense
You haven’t read the witness statements have you.
Agreed 300 is a marathon to read. She is guilty take from people who’ve done due diligence.
@@Mychannel67-wh4tcwitness statements? Don't provide medical proof of wrong doing
IF SHE'S INNOCENT THEN SHE SHOULD GET £££££MILLIONS IN COMPENSATION
This has the all the classic makings of a dramatic film or TV series at some point in the future. Lets hope if they do and Lucy is finally exonerated the proceeds of the film go to Lucy and her immediate family. No amount of recompense can ever make up for the loss of freedom and mental destruction let alone prison time and the awful vilification she endured long before the trial. h. By any stretch of the imagination, there now appears a wealth of information questioning her guilt that will not simply go away. The law justices will have a lot of explaining to do if they reject this appeal next time round and it could seriously undermine the whole legal system of how appeals are allowed or refused and on what basis they make their judgements.
Totally agree with you!
The Countess of Chester should be closed down… until these consultants, and expert witnesses, are thoroughly investigated, and brought to justice.
And, a fresh investigation should definitely EXCLUDE the advice/evidence of the hospital’s two MASONIC legal advisers.
Oh Freemasons 😂😂😂 here’s the loonies
Absolutely. Clinics should be established in the community until the shaking down of administrative failures are addressed and remedied.
Wow…this is huge 😮
It really isn’t. He’s got nothing to justify an appeal
She's not getting out, ever.
@@johnhawthorn5393 not breathing anyway
@Dontstandinthepark
Egg on face....and now you want Lucy dead.
Disgusting how ego works!
Interesting to learn, around 45:00, that some 60 expert international medical witnesses are preparing reports for this and no-one has yet asked for a fee; that they seem to be working for a common feeling that something has gone dreadfully wrong. I hope this is not the product of delayed invoicing or from career-enhancing motivations but from true professional altruism.
They’re jumping on a bandwagon for cash
@@Dontstandinthepark They are all doing it for free! Not like the so-called expert Ewans!
@@Anja-e9y Dont feed the troll.
EVANS!!!! He liked the sound of his voice too much. Vile man. He thought he was a world expert. Makes my blood boil.
He’s the one who inserted himself into this trial, and claimed center stage attention, right?
@@tamararutland-mills9530Yes, led the dumb police by the nose into pursuing a murderer on the loose story.
Free Lucy Letby 💖
Good man.
I am grateful that this is being looked into more closely. So many questions left many of us in doubt after the trial. It would be well that these questions be put to rest once and for all. I signed the petition on Lucy’s behalf. It is probably still online. In watching the trial, I could have come out on both sides of the verdict with equal conviction; yet those nagging doubts remained. Thank you to all concerned who are looking into each question.
Have you bothered to read 300 wittiness statements?
I’m guessing not she was caught in the act more than once.
She did kill many more
@@Mychannel67-wh4tc
If what you say is true, please identify (1) these 2 (or more) times that she was "caught in the act" (i.e. baby references); and (2) who specifically caught her in the act?
This must be terrible for the parents and might longer term be laid at the gates of the CPS. But also the last Conservative Govt must bear a lot of responsibility because they abolished the Forensic Science Service. The CPS expert here bounced around and eagerly pushed himself forwards for the job.
This simply never would have happened when the FSS was around as there would have been national peer led internal supervision of the work they did for the CPS and Police Forces. The very reason the FSS was set up (Skuse and Birmingham 6) was to stop these kinds of loaded Forensic Scientific investigations and reporting and prosecutions prosecutions based on them. Successive Governments learnt nothing from the criticisms over the Birmingham Six prosecutions it would seem.
Lucy is a scapegoat. I feel for her and also all of the parents of the babies. Thoughts are with them all.
I hope they set her free.
There is something very wrong with this whole case...I thought that from the very beggining. The 'evidence' was overwhelmingly weak from the bits I have read!
Always had my doubts. Further investigation and consideration of the guilt or innocence of Lucy L needs to be a priority
This reveals the evil of the Drs involved that were quite happy for a nurse to take the blame to cover their gross medical negligence and incompetence.. and really just how far they will go to cover their own ass.
They didn't need to. They weren't even there when these babies were harmed.
Sick twisted … I hate the NHS I’d sign if tomorrow and never see a doctor again in my life health is wealth .. eat healthy you don’t need these evil doctors xx
Lucy needs to be immediately released on bail. It is shocking what is happening. Complete shambles. Come her legal team help her. Mark Mcdonald.
The previous trail is the obsoluntly shameful.
Strength to Lucy, family and friends
Richard Taylor Dropping bombshells
These are not bombshells 😂😂😂😂
They are on planet earth. What planet are you on
I haven't seen the x-rays myself, but I'm going to tell you what they show?
That bombshell? 😂
@JamesCM86 Dr. Brearey killed Baby O, then pinned the blame on Letby to cover his own arse.
2 of the consultants who accused Letby murdered babies.
@@JamesCM86 So sorry you start to panic!
The witchfinder generals will continue to deny that Lucy Letby may have been stitched up - why is that?
And you'll continue to believe everything the Defence says, but the irony is completely lost on you
Maybe they believe in capital punishment so if she is pardoned it would be used against the death penalty
@@connorwood8527 there's no capital punishment in the UK
@@michelefox9539 probably because the Trust would just have paid out negligence claims and they couldn't have known about the sheets, the searches and the notes.
Both Evans and Jayaram committed perjury by changing their stories, and one of the doctors killed a child and let Lucy take the blame for it.
We know Brearey and Jayaram were sweating and needed a scapegoat to save their skins.
she was a patsy for the hospital . if your case has holes and evidence that isnt shown then its not a case
Sounds like it.
So neither of their experts currently practise in the UK? Or have GMC registration...
While Lucy Letby's defence counsel was understandably polite regarding Lady Justice Thirlwall's inquiry; her experience and its terms of reference, surely Lady Thirlwall herself cannot continue to ignore all the doubt and contradiction that is shaking her inquiry's foundations, from outside and from within?
Interesting now what will happen, true...
@@ScruffyTubblesnothing will happen - there’s no new evidence
@Dontstandinthepark You don't need it in this case. You need an error in law, I presume. Though new evidence being that the expert accepts they were wrong might indicate that the jury were misled.
@@ScruffyTubbles they’re trying to get an appeal that’s already been refused twice based on their “new evidence” but they don’t have new evidence, just fantasy stories
@Dontstandinthepark
Well there's been quite a bit recently hasn't there?!
Prosecution an police withholding statistical evidence. The leak about Lucy not being there when these deteriorations occurred, even though the jury were told she was.
There's two recent ones to be going on with
The biggest problem is our judicial system has judge's that are to old and do not have the ability or intellectual knowledge to sit in judgement of complex speciality cases, they are chosen to position by a system that has not caught up with current technology and time
There must be loads...and loads more medical cases....like this one.
Un discovered...and of course ...covered up.
Always thought this was a miscarriage of justice Lucy is innocent. Free this lady and allow her to be conviction free and the so called experts Dr Evans be charged for what he's done. Poor Lucy's parents I hope they can all find peace asap x
Again I feel lied to by the media…where’s journalism gone?
Should of seen with that covd lot
Can the CPS explain how Letby was able to teleport and time travel, and was a genius who invented new ways of killing, and had the skills of a ninja?
What do you mean?
I'm going to create a strawman version of the case, and then attack it.
The jury were dumb dumbs for not realizing my brilliance.
Can you explain?
She wasn’t at work in the hospital at the alleged time of some incidents
@@jase7322Which ones?
I got so much hate at the time of this case for saying she was innocent 😂
Won't these silly little youtube armchair detectives look silly soon.
Mark McDonald and his team are very impressive.
Simple minds are easily fooled
@@Dontstandinthepark judging by your slew of moronic comments, your little simple unintelligent mind is the one that's been fooled 😂😅 u clown
Smoke and mirrors@@Dontstandinthepark
Thankfully. Lucy needs a decent legal team.
I am not sure that she was innocent, but I am definitely not sure she was guilty and there are serious experts who have cast doubt on a lot of the evidence. One thing that this trial has shown is that "demeanour" evidence, i.e how people appear while testifying is very unreliable. Remember she was remanded in custody for 21 months before the trial and I´d dare say I would be feeling a bit odd if that had happened.
The defence team actually made this point in the original trial tbf, i.e they said that that kind of evidence was interpreted in a very arbitrary way, i.e Letby didn´t cry when she was "Supposed to" and cried "when she wasn´t supposed to.
Holy moley, so much for Do No Harm. Poor baby O.
hope she is free soon I used to think guilty but not now
Me to, l thought she was guilty at first but l now see l was persuaded by the prosecutor and the press, but now l have serious doubts
I thought she was guilty too, until I realised how shoddy that hospital/ unit is/ was. I can't believe they only did ward rounds twice a week!! Even stable patients on a 'normal' ward are reviewed at least once a day. These were really sick babies. Lucy blew the whistle with her concerns , as is the right thing to do, and look where she ended up. Nurses will be reluctant to report anything now - it's not worth risking life in prison.
I had to go to a private hospital to get a diagnosis of endometriosis and my GP will not even refer me to an NHS waiting list. I've been expected to pay for my operation even though I paid into the system for years and years. Im on universal credit and cannot work due to being in so much pain. I think the NHS failed these babies like they have failed me and are expecting Lucy Letby to take the rap. I hope she receives justice soon!
I’ve had to pay for surgery in private hospitals too, as a result of being failed by the NHS on numerous occasions.
With my last surgery, the consultant at the private hospital (who was at the top of his field - professor) did suggest that I go onto his waiting list, as he could see I had been failed by the NHS and said I shouldn’t have to pay for private surgery (he could see that I had spent tens of thousands in private hospital on prior occasions too), but by then I’d been suffering for too long, so decided to pay and have it done within a matter of days.
Just wish I’d gone private sooner! Would’ve saved me a year of pain and suffering, which resulted in addiction to morphine (prescribed by hospital & GP), from which it was extremely difficult to be weaned off!!
What a complete croc. A does not lead directly to Z.!
I'd send the gp the bill, since they're so insistent. I'm on the NHS waiting list for endometriosis and it's 13 month waiting list to see a gynea
@@anniemaguire7955 The state should take responsibility for this bill, given they were incapable of administering the proper care.
@tamararutland-mills9530 completely agree 👍
Where are the first witness statements from the opinion witness and Letby? Are they available?
Hope justice is served and the truth comes out. Scary that a young nurse is in prison for something that she probably didn’t do. The truth will out. Keep going all. Those poor families of the babies and of course LL too. What a horror.
She’s 100% guilty - that’s why two juries convicted her
@@Dontstandinthepark
Why did they change the verdict from unanimous and why did one person drop out?
And it took some time to reach a verdict which would only need 10 out of the usual 12?
No baby on a neonatal unit dies because of declining placental function in itself. They may die due to the consequences of it, but that's not the case for Baby C.
Thank god for you and other sensible people commenting.
Agree. This baby was doing extremely well.
@@octopuszoo2027
Is that until a dr pierced his liver?
As youtube flooded this video with ads, I can only assume that the truth is about to come out despite their distractions.
Yes, Letby is a murderer and that’s the truth
I heard The Crown is considering charging Lucy with at least two additional murders. If that transpires, it will likely close down discussions like this on the grounds they're sub judice.
@myword1000 Well I suppose they are liable to do anything in their desperation to hide the truth of their henous acts.
@@johnkeating4221 that’s more applicable to Letby than anyone else
Shes innocent
Consultants make a big error, or errors. Nobody knows, or at least nobody reports it, and no consequences ensue. So they decide to bring it to the attention of management and ask for the police to be involved. You can see how nuts that idea is.
You’ve clearly no idea how the GMC works
@@Dontstandinthepark Were the GMC involved before all this kicked off?
@@janetmarybowen3157 no my point was that the GMC act very quickly in any case of malpractice and adopt a you’re guilty until proven innocent approach
@@Dontstandinthepark That's my point exactly. Why draw attention to yourself unnecessarily?
The hospital was advise by a solicitor from Slater and Gordon that several of the parents were initiating legal action alleging malpractice that resulted in the deaths of their babies. The day the hospital was advised of this the police were requested to investigate. Under UK law if a police investigation is underway a civil case cannot proceed. You will note the case of baby Noah Robinson who was killed by one of the Consultants negligence ( who testified against Lucy Letby) and the resulting payout of 8 1/2 million pounds. If a death is the result of criminal action the Hospital's liability is greatly reduced.
100% innocent
Said nobody educated
Good grief.
Classic "She doesn't look like a baby killer" *Eye roll*
You sound highly intelligent
@@FilmNavsadly you don’t
If the dr that gave the cause of death at the trial has now decided the cause of the death is different.. I think that in itself renders those cases based on fiction and not fact. If your going to charge someone with murder you should have the cause of death accurate. As for witnesses she was in or around babies when their condition deteriorated , probably because she was on duty and worked most days doing extra shifts .. no one witnessed her actual doing harm or tampering with anything. All evidence was circumstantial.
@@gillianstapleton8566
Originally evans said that the xray taken on 12th showed that air had been forced into Baby C stomach.
Turned out that Lucy didn't meet Baby C until the 13th.
The entire apparatus of the state was deployed to find unicorns in order to scapegoat the whistleblower Lucy Letby rather than admit to seeing the stampeding horses responsible for providing substandard clinical care to vulnerable babies.
23:17 “I have not seen the medical records”
Riiiiight.
Dr Taylor's comments are very alarming.
If she is innocent of course there should be justice. But i so feel for the parents who are having to go through this all over again.
Its all down to money...years of underfunding by the tories....you then can not expect
Top line...five star ...health care....on a Shoe String budget.
What is all this about a needle inserted into the abdomen during resus? Never heard of that before, and I've seen plenty.
Are u an expert.
@@Paragon62Not as such, but I was a neonatal nurse.
Brearey attempted to aspirate the baby's abdomen to relieve the air build-up, by inserting a needle from the point where one would cut for appendectomy. As it happens, he was doing it from the wrong side (should have been the left side), he was too high, thus piercing the liver of the poor little thing. This is an honest mistake (if sadly incompetent), but the lying and covering it up, to the point of pinning it on an innocent nurse....well, we all have a name for people like that, don't we?😢
@@colinjohnston9614 if the psychopathic baby killer nurse hadn’t injected the air, he wouldn’t have had to do the botched procedure. Your argument is that it’s the surgeons fault if he fails to save somebody with a gunshot wound, not the shooter
@@colinjohnston9614Where is the liver in relation to the appendix? Why would a consultant paediatrician of many years get something so simple so wrong? That doesn’t make sense.
If people believe for once and for all that she is innocent, then let's have one more trial.
Some of these people commenting havent actually listened to this video. 🙄😬
20.10 The answer to the question is - "how would you feel?" - Mark is good 😀
what is this?
The heads at the COA have a massive dilemma. To act fairly and grant an appeal and risk embarrassing many in the justice system, or to refuse an appeal by some dodgy interpretation of the rules and cause outrage. It won't be a quick decision.
WHOS PAYING?
Judge Goss?!?!
Innocent trial by media lets get her out
He speaks to the media because you keep falsely representing him. You're just prodding him into commenting again. How sad.
Who precisely is the "you" that you claim is misreprenting him?
Also, what precisely do you consider has been "falsely" misrepresented?
@@robbomax1143but you believe everything the Defence says, so what's the difference?
@@lesley9989 Wrong! Do you always base your claims on zero facts (and just prefer making wild baseless guesses)?
@@robbomax1143 then tell me what you don't agree with in the Defence case in the press conference
@@lesley9989
What are you on about?.
My first post here in this thread was in response to what the OP said, which was merely asking questions (to the OP) seeking clarification in respect of what they said.
My 2nd post was to you to let you know your claim (about me) was wrong and to ask you a question, which you have avoided answering.
If/when she's released she'll be Lucky Letby.
I knew it.
Im going to give a press conference using my status as a doctor but I've only read one report and none of the medical records.
He only opined on the the report he did read.
@@stevepi1 he was poorly prepared for the gravity of the conference
Wow, what a nothingburger.
It's potentially an XL McMiscarriage of justice
Only if you’re stupid
Pretty huge in terms of permanent damage to the reputation of the NHS. A bunch of consultants able to stitch up a nurse with impunity.
Seems to be a lot of muppets on this channel don’t u think!
They don't have access to everything, that's a lie. They don't have all of the clinical data on the babies.
@@caz4961 How do you know what information they do & do not have access to?
@@robbomax1143we don't, so how do you know they do? You all say cherry-picking, and you do exactly the same thing
@@robbomax1143you di you know they have! A bit like everyone thinking the police didn't even investigate anyone else when they weren't part of the investigation. Then how do you know they did? Etc
@@lesley9989 Regarding your first reply, It would massively help if you read what I said instead of inventing things in your own mind. I never made any claim (about what information they did or did not have access to), I merely asked a question to the OP.
I have not cherry-picked anything. Also, I am not part of any "all" that you are referring to.
@@lesley9989 regarding your 2nd post. if you want to try and post something that is coherent and makes sense then I will address what you have to say.
If you intend to clarify what you are trying to say then please avoid making references to "everyone" and "all" because I only speak on behalf of myself.
Its all If and Buts...she had a fair trial and was found guilty....let it rest.
Oh so now it's not fresh evidence, make up your mind.
@@caz4961 If you listened, The lawyer said there was 2 avenues he was pursuing. One is in relation to new evidence and the other is Evans changing his opinion that he gave in court.
LL was judged on what was presented at trial by numerous experts not just Dewi.
@@caz4961 What you say has got nothing to do with what I posted in my reply.
With regard to what you say, Evans was the lead expert that gave evidence in relation to all the babies. None of the other experts gave evidence in relation to all babies.
Evans consistently said there was no other plausible cause other than what he was advocating was the cause (in each case).
Also, other experts were provided with his reports before preparing their reports. That is not how experts should prepare their reports.
I've not even heard that he changed his position on more than one baby and he changed that in agreement with all the other expert testimonies at the trial so that path has a dead end!
@@caz4961 If you've not heard that then I suggest you listen to the press conference again (or listen to it for the first time if you've not already done so).
So, the doctor who accidentally pierced the liver of the baby did this when he was trying to save the baby's life? Is this right ? Had the baby already been injected with air?
Yes - Letby injected the baby, the doctor was trying to save it
@Dontstandinthepark I see, so she still killed the child ! So really this is not what it's being made out to be? The cause of death might be something different after all but Letby had still committed the crime in the first place ,so the baby would not have lived either way. I don't think this will help free her, like so many think.
@@Victoria12339correct. If her actions caused the death, then the actual reason for death is irrelevant in law
@@Victoria12339 Unfortunately, Dontstandinthepark does not know the subject matter that he/she is trying to talk about. I suggest (if you are going to listen to anyone) that you find somebody that actually knows what they are talking about.
The baby being injected with air is at no point suggested in this press conference. The reason why the aspiration was done was presented in the video.
Woah! Even if letby is guilty of murder, that doctor should be struck off! Like wtf!
Why ? His opinion has changed but he’s not suggesting it wasn’t Letby that killed them
@@Dontstandinthepark Perhaps I am wrong but it would appear the OP was referring to the doctor that allegedly stuck a needle in the liver (as identified by the Doctor in this press conference), whereas you appear to be referring to Evans. If you are referring to Evans then you've demonstrated that you don't know the role of an expert witness in court.
@@robbomax1143 correct, that's who I was referring to ✌️
Would you.. I'm guessing yeah
What an anti climax
@@JamesCM86 this is just the beginning
I'm doubtful as of yet that she is innocent, time will tell but I do know that consultants in hospitals Fk up and injure people and yet there is zero recourse when they do! It's wrong! As wrong as if letby harmed a baby, drs harm patients every day and should be accountable whether that's nhs or private.
It is - the GMC are very aggressive about it
@@Dontstandinthepark what is!?
Oh dear is that it?
No, looks like this is just the beginning of what could be the biggest miscarriage of justice and a massive cover up of the NHS. Stay tuned
That Evans committed perjury and that one of the doctors murdered a baby?
This is revealing how corrupt the NHS is.
@@caz4961 just the beginning