We keep hearing about the stress the parents are under and rightly so - But what about the stress Lucy Letby is under locked up for life for a crime that she more than likely did not commit ! A million times more stressful for her !!!
Exactly. Are these commentators saying that an innocent woman should stay locked up so as not to upset anybody ? I would have thought the parents prefer to know the truth !
It is worth noting that at the time there was a spike in neonatal deaths, there was also a similar spike in still births. These cannot be blamed on Lucy Letby.
Would the parents and the jury have been convinced of Lucy's guilt if they had actually heard all the evidence and also had reliable specialists who knew what they were talking about.
@HENNAtabasun1990 Yes, because they all wanted her to be guilty, to get it swept under the carpet, so that scrutiny of hospitals would not happen, scrutiny of the managers running those hospitals would not happen, understaffing practices in that particular hospital would not happen. Easier to blame one woman for the failures. There was also a problem with bacterial infection also, I read. Lucy Letby was definitely NOT responsible for that.
@RobRyan-c3v exactly its become the lets blame Innocent Lucy for everything list, totally criminal and unforgivable what they have done to this poor girl , the families and also Lucys parents.
There is one question that so far I have seen no one ask! During her time caring for babies how many survived her care vs how many died? How many are now alive and living a great life thanks to her care and professionalism ? The public need to see those figures.
It's not about 'how experts are used'. Evans volunteered his services, injected himself, no pun intended, and wasn't even an expert. It's how they are hired, and about their expertise.
@@Dontstandinthepark They did ! They tried to get his evidence thrown out ! The judge wouldn't have it, despite another judge taking the unprecedented step of writing to the judge at the Lucy Letby trial telling him that Dr. Evans opinions were worthless.
Just to correct something we knew Evans had changed his mind ( several times) quite a while ago. It’s just the impact of this had not sunk in, and the legal consequences. Also commentators like Dr Michael McConville had been saying for quite some time there were natural cause explanations for all the deaths and other collapses. This has now been independently arrived at by these other experts, starting with the cases mentioned in the press conference. The statistics of the case, since it is only this that links her to any harm, has not even been discussed. Recall there is no forensic evidence. Relying on coincidences is not scientifically sound, and we now know more than half of the deaths (let alone any other incidents, however defined) had already been excluded. Imagine a drug trial where the 50% of cases where the drug had no effect were discarded and it was then claimed the drug always worked. For some reason this approach was allowed in a murder trial. Also the only suspect was Letby for no good reason at all, there were plenty of other people around.
Now that baby C's parents are aware of the 'liver stab', and the failure of Dr Brearey to disclose that to the Dr doing the autopsy and the independent neonatologists conclusions of gross malpractice I wonder if they are still satisfied with the verdict?
And now Brearey is claiming that Innocent Lucy could have harmed more babies, He does like to keep the police busy, but also likes to forget how his own actions are the reason for babies deaths, even when Innocent Lucy is in prison he's still covering his own failings.
@HENNAtabasun1990 Breary is a desperate man. He has accused a hard working nurse of murder to cover his back. He has no shame- lets hope justice catches up with him!!!
This seems like the horizon post office scandal of this hospital and to appease the populace they have to ascribe the blame to one person to compartmentalize the fatality rate.
8:30 ' tiktok sleiths... It must be awful to have your life trawled over like that ' I haven't a single item online on the parents and I've read and seen thousands on this case. The concerns raised online are solely about the prosecution case against Letby being a miscarriage of justice. Nice deflection, but what he's saying applies to Thirlwall, where parents were questioned extensively about their experiences at the CoCH.
This is a very dangerous situation. Letby has been convicted by a jury after 10 months of evidence & Letby has had 2 unsuccessful attempts at appealing them. Be careful about generalised commentary.
Well said Mark, at last, a safe pair of hands to do the job properly and give Lucy a voice.
We keep hearing about the stress the parents are under and rightly so - But what about the stress Lucy Letby is under locked up for life for a crime that she more than likely did not commit ! A million times more stressful for her !!!
@frankedwardcurry Exactly! How would Camilla & Kamal feel languishing in prison if they were accused & convicted of crimes they didn't do?
@@Marigold-m2 Thanks for the reply - Such a sad situation all round
Absolutely!!!
Exactly. Are these commentators saying that an innocent woman should stay locked up so as not to upset anybody ? I would have thought the parents prefer to know the truth !
It is worth noting that at the time there was a spike in neonatal deaths, there was also a similar spike in still births. These cannot be blamed on Lucy Letby.
I'm sure they will find a way.
@@fionacarroll5562I agree. They can’t afford to let her out. Too many heads would be on the block. They don’t care about one ‘ordinary’ civilian.
Would the parents and the jury have been convinced of Lucy's guilt if they had actually heard all the evidence and also had reliable specialists who knew what they were talking about.
I blame NHS CEOs
@HENNAtabasun1990 Yes, because they all wanted her to be guilty, to get it swept under the carpet, so that scrutiny of hospitals would not happen, scrutiny of the managers running those hospitals would not happen, understaffing practices in that particular hospital would not happen. Easier to blame one woman for the failures. There was also a problem with bacterial infection also, I read. Lucy Letby was definitely NOT responsible for that.
@RobRyan-c3v exactly its become the lets blame Innocent Lucy for everything list, totally criminal and unforgivable what they have done to this poor girl , the families and also Lucys parents.
Lucy also has parents that are suffering.
And?? What about the parents of the deceased babies?Have the parents been instrumental in this ‘change of mind?’
Well said
@@risenshine2783 What on earth has that got to do with anything???
@@risenshine2783 No ... and neither has Lucy Letby ! The parents should direct their anger in the right direction.
There is one question that so far I have seen no one ask! During her time caring for babies how many survived her care vs how many died? How many are now alive and living a great life thanks to her care and professionalism ? The public need to see those figures.
She cared for hundreds.
@@Her.Serene.Feline.Cuteness. aprox 4000
I have read that Lucy has cared for around 4000 babies!
It's not about 'how experts are used'. Evans volunteered his services, injected himself, no pun intended, and wasn't even an expert. It's how they are hired, and about their expertise.
So why didn’t the defence explain that he was not competent to the satisfaction of the court?
@@Dontstandinthepark They did ! They tried to get his evidence thrown out ! The judge wouldn't have it, despite another judge taking the unprecedented step of writing to the judge at the Lucy Letby trial telling him that Dr. Evans opinions were worthless.
@@Dontstandinthepark They attempted to but Judge Goss left it up to the jury to decide.
@@francishooper1649 that’s what to the satisfaction of the court means. If they had, the judge would have directed the jury accordingly
1) Susan Nelles RN, Canada - wrongfully accused of pediatric deaths - 1980/81 2) Lucia de Berk RN, Netherlands - wrongful conviction of pediatric deaths - 2003/4
... and several others.
Come on people its a dreadful case of misjudgement
Just to correct something we knew Evans had changed his mind ( several times) quite a while ago. It’s just the impact of this had not sunk in, and the legal consequences.
Also commentators like Dr Michael McConville had been saying for quite some time there were natural cause explanations for all the deaths and other collapses. This has now been independently arrived at by these other experts, starting with the cases mentioned in the press conference.
The statistics of the case, since it is only this that links her to any harm, has not even been discussed. Recall there is no forensic evidence. Relying on coincidences is not scientifically sound, and we now know more than half of the deaths (let alone any other incidents, however defined) had already been excluded. Imagine a drug trial where the 50% of cases where the drug had no effect were discarded and it was then claimed the drug always worked. For some reason this approach was allowed in a murder trial. Also the only suspect was Letby for no good reason at all, there were plenty of other people around.
The spreadsheet was a joke. I've only done statistics at A Level and it was obvious to me, with my limited knowledge.
@@KingBee24 🥇
Now that baby C's parents are aware of the 'liver stab', and the failure of Dr Brearey to disclose that to the Dr doing the autopsy and the independent neonatologists conclusions of gross malpractice I wonder if they are still satisfied with the verdict?
Yes, so that’s only 6 murders and seven attempted murders that she’s still convicted of
And now Brearey is claiming that Innocent Lucy could have harmed more babies, He does like to keep the police busy, but also likes to forget how his own actions are the reason for babies deaths, even when Innocent Lucy is in prison he's still covering his own failings.
@HENNAtabasun1990 I would expect nothing less from Dr. Doom Drawer
@HENNAtabasun1990 Breary is a desperate man. He has accused a hard working nurse of murder to cover his back. He has no shame- lets hope justice catches up with him!!!
@@Dontstandinthepark and Dr Evans has changed his mind about three of them.
What a calm and thoughtful discourse on the events. This is honest and most helpful.
More than half the press conference has been left out of this report … it’s too damaging for them to risk reporting.
Thank goodness the truth is now coming out...
A retrial is needed NOW!!!
The PARENTS want the TRUTH above all !!
Free Lucy!
Dr Brearey SHOULD be in prison
The police know that their case is collapsing and that is why they are trying to find other cases !
Momentum now,no let up. England needs reform.
NHS cover up!
@JUSTTRYANDSTOPIT Or Physician coverup?
This seems like the horizon post office scandal of this hospital and to appease the populace they have to ascribe the blame to one person to compartmentalize the fatality rate.
Massive cover up !!
Look at how the NHS grade incidents.
This means that if only Dr Dewey Evans changes his mind LL will be released.
Journalists & Talk Show hosts are no more than glorified tiktokers. Why is their opinion so much more important. Just report the facts Camilla.
8:30 ' tiktok sleiths... It must be awful to have your life trawled over like that '
I haven't a single item online on the parents and I've read and seen thousands on this case. The concerns raised online are solely about the prosecution case against Letby being a miscarriage of justice.
Nice deflection, but what he's saying applies to Thirlwall, where parents were questioned extensively about their experiences at the CoCH.
This is a very dangerous situation. Letby has been convicted by a jury after 10 months of evidence & Letby has had 2 unsuccessful attempts at appealing them. Be careful about generalised commentary.