Aldo the Apache At least you should have more values, respect and empathy that obviously it clearly seems that you have none...Karma is a bitch and it will eventually hit you at certain point in your miserable life and it would go to anyone who you love (that’s the case if you have that sense of love in your mind and you’re not a psychopath which it seem to be the case with you)
I received so many requests to recreate this tragic accident, so, here it is. I spent almost a full week to recreate this flight. Hope you'll appreciate my work. Have a nice weekend. ❤
There was plenty of time, they might have been ordered to fired a missil if the plane was going to crash in some crowded area... some say that was the action in the
this is the actual recording of one of the fighter pilots following the plane that morning , you can hear the distress in his voice when it went down , he was shocked to his core witnessing this at 06:50 ua-cam.com/video/mpMWJY4wfNU/v-deo.html
Rather than alarm, it should be clearly saying "Low air pressure" just like how it says "Low terrain, pull up". So pilots don't need to figure out what was that alarm for. If system would have said "Low air pressure" while crossing 10K feet, the pilots would have immediately deployed the auto switch for pressure system or would have not climbed further.
Sandeep Deshpande there is a warning light warning of cabin altitude but it was determined the sunlight made it hard to notice when looking up. Hence why modern planes with glass cockpits show it in the displays now
Exactly! The same vague voice message caused the crash of the Air France 747 in the South Atlantic. The voice kept saying "pull up" instead of more specifically telling the crew to reset the flaps which had been pushed to the wrong position.
I think all alarms shouldn't just be beeps. They should be in words - "LOW CABIN AIR PRESSURE!!' would have been better than beep beep beep. No pilot interpretation needed.
The really sad thing is that, even if Andreas had managed to land the plane, it very likely wouldn't have saved the passengers or crew. It was at 34,000 feet, unpressurized, for an extended period of time. The people on the plane were almost certainly brain-dead at that point. He would have landed a plane full of dead people. It would have at least saved his own life, though, and it really sucks that despite his heroic efforts he went down with the plane. The whole thing was a disaster that never needed to happen.
@@REB4444 Quite likely they all were brain dead, even if their bodies were still alive. They underwent extreme hypoxia for hours. Just the fact they were still alive at all was amazing, but even if their bodies were, there was nothing left upstairs to save.
@@REB4444 Even if they were all dead best case scenario they could have recovered the plane. However, I doubt a flight attendant could land it even if he made contact with ATC on the com. At least they were unconscious when they died. Stupid mistake.
My little sister my cousin and my uncle was on this flight... I will never forget you guys I will love you for ever... 121 souls pass away... 22 children's 99 other peoples 18+ years old...
The most chilling detail about that flight is that Andreas Prodromou, the person who was found in the cockpit, was a flight attendant who wanted to become a pilot. His mother recalled after the accident, that once they both boarded a plane as passengers and he pointed to the cockpit and told her: "You know, mother, one day I'll be over there!" How tragic and ironic that sounds today!!! It's like his wish came true in the worst possible way...😢😭🙏❤️☺️🤗
The shocking thing about this crash is there were so many avoidable mistakes. The 1st engineer who switched the air pressure to manual and did not return it to auto, the 3 times the pilots failed to check the air pressure was set to auto during completion of 3 separate checklists and the captain who didn't answer the 2nd engineer's question regarding the air pressure switch. This crash was so easy to avoid if everyone simply did their job competently. That said well done to Andreas for trying to stop the plane from crashing. It's a shame it was in vain but it was not his fault. He is not trained/qualified to fly a 737.
The mistake already started at Boeing. Why was the sound for low cabin pressurization the same as the wrong take of configuration? Disasters are the result from many mistakes.
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@@pascal2085 Yeah but even still there were other indicators that were totally blown off such as the master switch as well as other indicators that had nothing to do with what they mistakenly thought it was originally.
@@vfarthur18 At one point they were unconscious, but if their brains don't get sufficient oxygen at some point they become 'brain-damaged'/paralyzed/induced coma aka Hypoxia. If the flight attendant were to have saved the plane, it might have been even harder on families to have a loved one 'alive', but only to be on a ventilator bed forever. I will not argue as people will have their own opinions (if they had a choice), but medically speaking because their bodies were without oxygen for so long they would have been died.
Kudos to Andreas...he deserves recognition for his attempt to get the plane out of the situation. It must have been a horrible experience for him. RIP to all lives lost.
Yep walking through a plane , past all those bodies. All alone, I would hate to feel what he/she would of been feeling. Complete helplessness, fear and doom
Why he didn't try to communicate with pilots / enter the cockpit when oxygen mask were dropped but the aircraft didn't start descending??? He have to understand something goes very wrong at this moment, when it was really possible to save everyone.
@@Ace-ni9ko Were have you been living.India and Pakistan attacks and battles!I think Rahul thinks Khuram is from Pakistan so he is just being salty.But India is a great country to vist.
I’m a flight attendant myself and not one single video has ever made me feel like this one. I could truly never and would never want to know what Andreas went through
@@mikethespike056 The pilots and passengers were already dead. The only people that could've been saved at that point were potential flight attendants that were using portable O2 tanks
imagine, Andreas was almost the only person conscious trying to fly the plane without knowing what to do and the moment when he realized the plane is crashing. this was so f heartbreaking!
A few facts about hypoxia or oxygen deprivation: 1)You dont know when you are hypoxic 2)Commercial pilots receive no hypoxia training....military pilots only 3)At only 5000 feet,you start to lose night vision when hypoxic. 4)Above 10000',you start to lose other faculties including memory and reasoning. 5)Above 20000,you are in the danger zone and can pass out in 2 minutes. 6)Above 30000,youve got about 60 seconds before passing out. 7)If you're healthy and acclimatized you can defy the above numbers(not 6,never 6) to a certain extent. When the pilots heard the horn,they were at a cabin altitude of 10000 feet and already suffering from mild hypoxia.And the plane was climbing,so the cabin altitude was climbing.So they had one chance to identify the horn.The longer they leave it,the more hypoxic they become and wont be able to recall training and memory to control the situation. After the accident,the 737 was fitted with a warning light that illuminates with the horn telling the crew what the problem is.
I really wonder how long did Andreas last...did his portable oxygen still have enough oxygen for him to survive until the impact? Or he just passed out after the 5th mayday message? If he did survive until the oxygen was out, did he know that he would have passed away shortly? (Was he able to see how much oxygen did he have left?) Terrible to think about...
Before commercial pilots become actual commercial pilots, they have to have experienced in the air force therefore becoming a military pilot, so they did receive training but it was pilot error, and every commercial pilot was once a military pilot before becoming a commercial pilot
@@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag He probably also used other oxygen devices (masks for crew seats and the pilots). Once under 9000ft the pressure would be sufficiant for humans. If he didn't pass out before the plane descended to that altitude, he would have been fully conscious during the crash.
As a retired professional pilot, I find it incredible that Both of these pilots were that incompetent in their knowledge of aircraft warning systems. It defies belief! A depressurization problem is highly serious and is usually taught/covered in recurrent training.
@BDPhotog67 There's no way to tell that oxygen masks have fallen from the passenger cabin unless they were told by a flight attendant which they weren't. That's what you should find most disturbing!
@BDPhotog67 I respect your flying anxieties but you could easily get knocked down crossing the road and there's more chance of you dying in a car accident than there is on an aeroplane.
The pilots didn't go through the preflight and flight checklists to check, verify, agree and correct the state of all the buttons and switches in compliance with the checklists. They were demonstrably not psychologically fit to pilot commercial airliners if they had become casual about the flight checklists. The decades of not crashing had made them hubristic and complacent. Flying is only relatively safe if the flight operations comply with the flight procedures that compliment the engineering.
Andreas deserves to be awarded posthumously. At such a high altitude with little to no oxygen, he was probably experiencing some symptoms himself and had to see everyone passed out on the plane including the pilots. Despite all that he tried to save the plane in his last moments. That gesture really touched me.
Weeeell🙄 He was using a portable oxygen bottle, so he had no symptones. From the investigation report: "The Board found the fact that this cabin attendant might not have attempted to enter the flight deck until hours after the first indication that the aircraft was experiencing a non- normal situation quite puzzling."
I remember this case vividly, being in greece. Andreas was engaged to one of the flight attendants. "In a tragic twist, Prodromou was on the doomed plane as a last-minute replacement and only agreed because his girlfriend Haris Charalambous was also working on the flight."
I feel so sorry for the lone attendant still awake who had to watch it go down. I find it distressing that two pilots with such extreme experience could make such a mistake.
@@SFbayArea94121 Yeah the engineers messed up by leaving in manual, but the pilots missed it in 3 safety checks! Pilots are never supposed to assume that everything is as it should be, because not happening to notice that something small is off can be disasterous. That's why safety checks exist.
Just Another Important Person none of this is the engineers fault.. the pilots should’ve checked it in their checklists and besides that the pilots literally ignored the question the engineer asked
pilot error... he might have tried to save it but it was the pilot error in the first place... you dont overlook something when 200 people lives are depending on you.
I wish that once a quarter, they gave pilots, co pilots and navigators two days to watch like 5 of these videos. They would always have this extra knowledge or at least reminders in their head
Andreas Prodromou, the flight attendant (also a pilot) who tried to save the plane, was 25 at the time. His girlfriend, Haris Charalambous, was with him on that flight. I can only try to imagine how horrific this whole ordeal was for Andreas. Huge respect to him for keeping his coolnes, trying his best, and a warm hug to their family.
I remember I was at a beach near Kalamos with my parents and friends. Then an aircraft pass above us and I remember my dad saying "isn't that kind of lower than normal?" When we went home later we saw what happened and as a kid I was shocked that I saw the airplane literally minutes before it crashed. Rest in peace to the passengers and crew members.
The amazing moment to me is when the last communication to the tower was the answer that could have saved them.... he asked if it was set to auto but the pilots already couldnt think clearly enough. That was the moment right there that could have saved them, but also seemed to be the moment it was too late
Anonymous Hitman Hypoxia is pretty fucking difficult to detect tbf. Pilots are trained to spot it but you can’t really feel it coming on. The only way you can recognise the symptoms is by doing a cognitive/memory test. There’s only so much you can do. As far as you’re concerned there’s absolutely nothing wrong with you. It’s only if somebody else is able to tell you, but by the time it would have started to show to one another they were already falling unconscious
@Anonymous Hitman Bro... telling people suffering from hypoxia to just "think clearly" is fucking stupid. I advise you to watch the video on hypoxia by SmarterEveryDay . The intructors clearly tells him "put your mask on or you are going to die" and the dude just stand there smiling while saying "I don't want to die" and someone had to come and put the mask on for him. You staight up lose control of your body.
Kind of hard to believe that a 737 doesn't signal the flight deck that the cabin masks have automatically deployed, since they use chemical oxygen generators that only work for 10-12 minutes, depending on how many people actually PULL DOWN ON THE TUBE TO OPEN THE FLOW VALVE. Did you know you have to do that? The steward directions usually say to pull down on the mask and attach it to your face, but they don't say WHY you need to pull it down firmly, so this instruction probably goes in one ear and out the other, even if people are listening at all.
We were not told how long it took the air traffic controllers at Nicosia to find the engineer and for him to get up to the control tower. Half a minute earlier might have made a difference.
@@antoniomazzaalex7087 actually there is an indicator in the cockpit that tell the pilot that passenger oxygen mask is on , but seem like they ignored that too
@@farhsa_ I believe at that point, both the captain and the F/O already starting to not focus. Like when youre trying to do work when you're really sleepy
@@farhsa_ It sounded the same as the flight configuration warning, so even though they were at the wrong altitude, they must have been confused already.
@@whjerts because they didnt speak german...it was a german pilot amd most likely greek flight attendant with limited english language skill ( and no german ).....
I can't imagine the frustration of the flight attendant that tried to save the plane watching all those people dying still in their seats and the officer next to him just dead (unconscious)
flight attendents should spend a few weeks in flight simulators on the aircraft they will work on.. be able to locate all flight controls and things you need to do to fly the plane in an emergency.
I can't imagine how hopeless that last flight attendant felt as he was trying to save the plane with everyone else on board passed out. The eerie silence that surrounded him 🙁 great video, TFC. You're very good at making these long videos. Pure satisfaction. Thank you ❤
Which is why ppl are afraid of flying and its not irrational. Your chances of dying are low. But when you do, its the worst way to die. Watching mountains or water come at you.
DS Analysis well, i think the fear comes from being at such an incredible height. a car crash is more likely to happen to you than a plane crash, but at least you’re on the ground with opportunities to survive if you do end up in an accident on the ground.
DS Analysis besides i think that if a plane crash happens to you, you will most likely pass out before the plane hits the surface because you’re falling towards the ground with such a large amount of speed.
And this is why they should bring back Flight Engineers on every flight. This disaster could've been easily avoided if airliners didn't cut budgets and remove Flight Engineers from airplanes.
The only blessing in this is that everyone was unconscious and did not see the fate ahead of them. This truly breaks my heart. Human errors can be tragic.
Boris Sheen no, they would have experienced a nice feeling as people have gone through it (either at altitude or under water)report a calming even euphoric feeling. Probably the best way to die in a disastrous accident.
The errors:- 1. The first officer wasn't qualified to fly a 737. 2. Engineer left the air pressure on manual. 3. Pilots didn't pay special attention because the plane had recent problems/ been worked on. 4. Preflight check missed it. 5. After-start check missed it. 6. After-takeoff check missed it. 7. Pilots didn't do a check when the alarm was sounding. 8. Pilots didn't level off while they figured out what is going on. 9. Pilots didn't turn around so the plane can be inspected. 10. Pilots didn't tell ATC there was a problem and may have to land. 11. The cabin crew didn't realise they or the passengers were getting altitude sickness (some people handle altitude better than others). 12. When the masks came down, no one was screaming or trying to alert the pilots. 13. Pilots didn't follow the engineer's suggestion. 14. The pilots didn't recognise the symptoms of altitude, especially when the captain went to get up (I believe he would have stumbled, or light-headed at the least). 15. There was still at least one person alive, why didn't they contact the pilots sooner? 16. Why didn't ATC try to contact the plane of the last known frequency? 17. The Alarm was unclear. 18. Pilots should have been competent, and knew scenarios that would cause an alarm to sound. 19. Language barrier between the Captain and First Officer. 20. Was the captain in the early stages of Alzheimers that had gone unnoticed? Did I miss anything? It's hard to get your head around all the factors that lead to the crash.
G Subra I don‘t think it is. It only is the root here cause the pilots apparently never checked it in their lifes. Pilots are supposed to check if all theirs systems are set right, even the most „unimportant“‘systems from a pilot‘s point of view. The engineer is not supposed to set it for the pilots
That's not what the official accident report concluded (available on a quick google search). The pilots were properly certified and had proper medicals. The captain did not have alzheimers (?!), he was suffering from hypoxia. The cause was the missed checklist items. Failure to properly recognize the cabin altitude alarm was attributed to training problems with the company that included lack of hypoxia awareness which exacerbated the poor decisions by the flight crew.
@☣☣ẌЇℒ€Ð☣☣ They were suffering the effects of hypoxia and weren't capable of clear thought. The guy who forgot to flip the switch back to auto killed everyone.
It’s frightening how there are just soooo many reasons a plane can go down and the experts only understand about it later and do rectification measure after lives have already been lost. Makes you scared to go on another plane and be a reason of another case study!
I was on this plane the day before this tragedy, I remember my dad who was a frequent flyer was genuinely scared during this flight he and many others complained about numerous things on this flight from the air con to banging noises. It felt awful to be sat by a pool in Cyprus the day after getting off this aircraft to see all those lives gone, Helios cut corners here because at least 80% on our flight from London had reported it whilst exiting RIP to all those who lost their life xo
I was also on this plane the day before. I recall the state of the plane being quite shabby. I used to fly regularly but since this incident, developed a chronic fear of flying. I also recall extremely graphic pictures in the cypriot papers which didn't help!
I also flew with helios 3 months before the crash and I remember complaining as did many others about the freezing cold temperatures and weird noises, at that time helios only had three planes in their fleet it makes me shudder thinking about this tragedy.
Some of these crashes happened bcs the company was on low budget. But hey look, they dont have to cut corners no more since they are bankcrupts due to the fatal accidents, look who's laughing now. Not worth it, right?
We are immortal conscious beings of light, we live for eternity, we never die, we transistion into anything else we want to be as we are mutidimentional!!! God Bless This Universe......
Apparently Andreas even waved at the fighter jet very briefly. I can’t even imagine what he must have been thinking as the on,y one conscious, knowing you’re unable to control this plane yourself and not even the jets beside you can help. May he and all the others rest in peace.
He was already suffering from the lack of oxygen which is why it took him so long to enter the cockpit and why his decision making was not top notch ( not blaming him , the fact he was still conscious is a feat by itself )
I remember this case vividly, being in greece. Andreas was engaged to one of the flight attendants. "In a tragic twist, Prodromou was on the doomed plane as a last-minute replacement and only agreed because his girlfriend Haris Charalambous was also working on the flight."
@Patricia Westervelt never used to consider such things when I was a younger man but I now tell everyone that matters to me how much they mean to me every time I see them because I never know when if I will see them again. I'm not old now, only turned 40 last year and don't expect to go anytime soon, I'm just a little bit wiser now and never take for granted the people who care about me and have made my life richer for being a part of it. Tomorrow is promised to no one. Take nothing and no one for granted, because you or they may not be around tomorrow
This makes you realize how precious life is and how any day could be your last. think 121 people died, why? because of a 1/4 click on a switch. Rest in peace to all those involved and especially the flight attendant who didn't have the luxury to being asleep while watching the end of his life and 120 others draw closer and closer.
In virtually every aircraft incident you'll find that the crash was almost always caused by more than one incident. True in this case too; had the ground engineer reset the pressurization back to auto and the flight deck paid better attention while working through 3 different checklists (any one of them would have exposed the issue before it was too late) this event wouldn't have occurred. It's crazy to think how it took a specific series of mistakes for this to happen. Almost always the case with these accidents.
Thoughts about Andreas just makes me go numb.Despite being the only person in consciousness and realizing that the plane is soon gonna hit the ground he had the mind to at least make a try. Huge respect🥀
I remember this case vividly, being in greece. Andreas was engaged to one of the flight attendants. "In a tragic twist, Prodromou was on the doomed plane as a last-minute replacement and only agreed because his girlfriend Haris Charalambous was also working on the flight."
@A Frustrated Gamer Old, but Ive been reading about this incident and figured I'd throw in my two cents. According to autopsies performed on the victims, it was believed the passengers were still alive when the plane crashed. It was a ghost plane, but the poor hero who tried to save the plane was most likely the only one conscious.
Why bother? The manufacturer (rightly) assumes that there's two trained professionals in the damn cockpit. It's a master caution and it lights up with the issue, they're supposed to find out what the hell is going on. And if they can't figure it out at all, they need to return to the field, not keep going. Some hightly critical things have specific warnings, like terrain avoidance, bank angle, overspeed, stall, etc. A cabin altitude alert isn't actually THAT critical. It's uncomfortable for the passengers, sure, but a duo of reasonably-competent pilots either have it solved in a matter of seconds by flicking the switch and then getting a tongue-lashing by the airline's head pilot later. Or don their masks and descend to a safe altitude if it's an actual hardware problem. If they added devices or software to produce different alarms for every damn thing on the plane, they'd never get done. And they would add a lot of unnecessary failure points, maintenance items and complexity. These two ya-hoos skimped on their pre-flight checklist, which has the cabin pressure switch in it and they forgot everything they were ever trained for when the alert sounded. You can absolutely blame the pilots for being asshats. You can most likely blame the airline for skimping on the training and putting schedule pressure on the pilots. You can't, however, blame the manufacturer. That'd be like blaming Ford for some dickhead using their phone and driving into a tree.
@@Killerpixel11 as u said, manufacturers should not assume. Thats the critical thing to avoid while dealing with lives 30k feet above sea. Who ever it is human error or careless always comes through. But manufacturers should know about these cockpit guys psychology as well to create a system.
I was writing an essay for a competition on importance of communication. Literally was bored and started to watch the Flight Channel. I've always watched atleast 5-6 videos in one go and this one video struck me. I used it as an example in the essay and it got selected in the merit list! The flight channel saved the day for me! 😉
In the military during aviation training we did hypoxia training in the pressure simulator. Hypoxia has a VERY subtle onset. Unless you are anticipating it’s onset (like in training) it’s really hard to identify. You feel a little euphoric, then seconds later you are literally asleep.
Wow. That is such a tough break. I can't imagine that flight attendant having to deal with that knowing everyone is passed out and not revivable. So gut wrenching. Brilliant job as always.
There's a video of a military pilot training where the effects of hypoxia can be clearly seen. Anyone interested search 'four of spades hypoxia'. The trainee's brain starved on oxygen fixates on the last conscious thought, kind of what we can see here with Helios crew.
I remember this accident and it never ceased to amaze me.. Such a failure from Boeing.. 1. The alarm sounds and there is no ECAS message or warning light indicating what the problem is. 2. There is no alarm that the passenger oxygen masks have deplloyed. 3. There is no alarm that the O2 level is too low in the cockpit. 4. If the auto-pilot is engaged, the plane should level off at 10,000 feet when the plane is not pressurized.
I agree with the leveling off automatically with an alarm at or under 10 000 feet if the plane is not pressurized. This could be implemented very easily within the autopilot but I guess they are trusting the pilots to do the right things... Maybe way too much.
And the engineers did not put the switch back to Auto. If they put it back the way it was originally set, it would not have happened. Just a whole pile of errors.
What? This crash is totally the fault of Airbus. All of the airbus planes near this plane failed to inform the pilots of their imminent failure. Airbus is not a trustworthy company anymore.
Why couldn't there be a "low cabin pressure" verbal warning instead of just beeping sounds? If there is a "pull up" or "terrain" verbal warning, why can't there be a verbal warning for issues like this and other possible ones?
If the dumb pilots ignored the sounds, ignored the light signal ignored the cabin altitude gauge they might ignore the verbal warning also. What is really strange they ignored even
What is really strange they ignored even own body signals. Aircrafts climb not very quickly, they have to feel breathing difficulty long before losing consciousness.
%100 agree that would save every airliner from crashing because mostly all the aircrafts that crash are the ones that pilots have a misunderstanding of the alarm noises that could easily be solved if they were verbal not identical alarm noises meaning completely different things
"Pull up" and "Terrain" are immediate critical scenarios. Bottom line, an alert is an alert and should be investigated. Even if all 1000 warning conditions use the same "beep"....still needs to be investigated. Pilot error. 6 times! (2 pilots missing 3 checklists). And ALL safety features are written in blood. 10 years from now we'll be saying "Why wasn't there an audible warning of bird poop on the left wing light!!"
@@alex-hv2cy Because you lose higher thinking capacities very quickly. Why don't people who climb high mountains turn back whilst they can? Because they can't think straight.
An engineer who failed to turn it back to auto, a simple thing forgotten or overlooked.. and captain and co pilot missed it on three pre flight checks.. what a shocking end.. RIP everyone on board..
All my years of flying to many countries, I have never had problems with the flights, I was very lucky to be still alive today. Thank God for keeping me safe..
The engineer had it solved, 7:24 " Can you confirm that the pressurization panel is set to auto" ALL that pilot had to do was take 2 SECONDS to check and conform for this NOT to happen..
@Noangeltosin if i could change back time if I was the engineer . I would have repeated the question to him to try and get him on track so he can answered the question. maybe it could have saved the plane. but we'll never know.
@@jasonvoorhees6152 wouldn't have mattered. When you are suffering from hypoxia, all ability to reason goes out the window. He probably couldn't find the switch even if he wanted to. If you told him that he is suffering from hypoxia, if you told him that he needs to put on a mask or he'll die, he wouldn't know what you're talking about.
As much as this saddens me, I’m happy they were all unconscious when the plane crashed so they didn’t have to witness it. Rip to all that died and to the flight attendant who tried to save the plane... you’re a hero, although you didn’t save it, you did a better job than what anyone could’ve done.
nowadays? this was in 2005. the airport had already been unable to figure out what caused earlier reason for concern, and their own check ultimately caused everyone's death. the pilots might have been idiots, but it is not precisely fool proof.
The Person who gave up False, aviation is at the safest it has been for a long time at the moment. Despite the two B737 MAX crashes in regards to Boeing’s software malfunctioning; the aviation industry was at its peaks of safety for passengers. Btw - it’s more likely to get killed by your own family member than get killed in an airplane crash.
The Person who gave up See how you use the word “can” there :) a small failure won’t make the airplane go down trust me, pilots are able to take control of the aircraft these days and safely co ordinate the passengers into safe hands. Remember this, a pilot never try’s to bring his own airplane down. A pilot loves what he does, as a profession. A pilot has faith and trust in the workmanship around him, for example the engineers, the cabin crew, the dispatchers, the refulers the ground crew.. everyone. That pilot knows the hard work that’s been put into bringing an aircraft of such into the sky... and the last thing he’ll wanna do is bring it down. Pilots will always try their best to safely bring their passengers to safety. I can assure you of this. Remember, pilots aren’t superheroes.. BUT... they sure do love what they do and that’s what makes them great. A small issue.. trust me.. is not enough to bring down a highly advanced aircraft of these ages, it takes a chain of events to bring down an aircraft, and when crashes do happen.. it’s incredibly unlucky and disheartening. But of course there will never be a time in life time where flying is completely safe and there is a 100% chance your aircraft will not crash... but let me tell you. We sure are close to that figure. But one thing we can stop doing as mankind is stop the incredibly over dramatic news reporters from putting a bad reputation on aviation... they make it seem far worse than what it is ;)
The Person who gave up Again the less experienced pilots don’t mean that they can’t fly. The pilots with less experience still are pilots remember. They still know how to operate an aircraft just as an experienced pilot would, the only difference is that the experienced pilots would know the little secrets about the airplane. Although many think aviation is dangerous I don’t think they’ve seen the amount of movements in the air that go on each day. Download an app called Flightradar24 and just see how many airplane move about each day. How come we don’t be happy and grateful for all the hundreds of thousands of flights that go out each week without having an incident, but as soon as one aircraft crashes aviation becomes dangerous? All the facetious reporters out there tryna scare the living heck out of you guys. ;) trust me... Aviation is safe it’s just how you look at it
right?, that made me kind of irritated. A possible emergency with hundreds on board..just a moment..hey play some hold music while you're at it man ..clearly have all day here 😡
Thirston Howell The Bird and Friends! but I'm sure maybe they had their reasons so I will stay in my place of judgement and expertise.. which is none, but what I can say for certain is rest in peace to all on board . period. sad story.
@@wavematrix by the time this "please hold" is not a thing anymore, many of us will be jobless because it has been replaced by a bots. Well, you know what? might as well the pilot is not needed bcs bots are created to be perfect while human have so many errors
Why would the incorrect configuration alarm sound be the same as the cabin pressure alarm sound? The alarm sounds for passenger safety should be unique so pilots know just from hearing the alarm where the problem is.
You are right but that was technology then... and for me as a passenger and non pilot would have been baffled. Not supposed to have baffled the pilots. They should have known what the warnings are for or at least stop climbing and seek to return to the airport!
All alarm sounds are "for passenger safety". But the one indictaing oxygen that goes to the PILOT sure should be unique and unmistakable. Almost any problem can be overcome if you have a qualified pilot at the controls. But if you don't...
Sadly, at the point when the engineer asks about the pressurization switch, the captain is more than likely already suffering from the effects of hypoxia, which means it was already doomed.
@@pretzels713 true, these types of accidents are never from one single point its always a cascade of things that happen to occur. Luckily we keep getting safer and safer each year and youll get struck by lightning before you get killed in a plane crash odds wise.
Actually that was the fourth time the flight crew overlooked the problem. There is a reason you visually inspect the items on a checklist rather than just quickly checking them off, if they hadn't been 'going through the motions' and had done their job correctly they would have spotted the problem and fixed it before they had even left the gate.
@@ginetterondeau1569 Exactly! Hypoxia's effect on the brain is rapid, you have around a minute to work out what the problem is before your cognitive abilities drop below the level required of critical thinking and reasoning and where you can no longer solve the problem. Unfortunately it can also take you up to a minute just to come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with your air supply because it takes 20 seconds to first realise you are light-headed, then another twenty seconds to realise that it isn't nausea or anxiety you are feeling, this leaves you with just twenty seconds to carry out the correct procedure to solve the problem. After a minute or so of hypoxia you start to become euphoric and so you no longer feel that you are in danger and might actually start to feel elated or safe as your brain exhausts the last of it's oxygen and tries to put you in a dream state. Hypoxia victims have been known to die giggling or smiling.
@@MrSoccerball100 He gave a full presentation on the incident from the time he and I believe a second F-16, intercepted the fatal airline until it crashed.
I remember this event happening when I was a 9 years old at the time! It was a tragedy broadcasted on all channels nationwide and while watching this video I was thinking “is that the incident of back then when the plane crashed to the ground and broke into 3 big pieces?!”, until I saw the picture of the broken wing-tail and it hit me hard! It was that incident and I still remember the shoots and footages of it as if it happened yesterday!!! However it is today, 15 years later, that I learned what it really caused its crushing! Thank you so much for making this video and RIP to everybody who lost their lives on this tragic flight!
Might be safer to fly than drive, but at least in a car crash you have more chance of surviving, plus even if you die you don’t have a while of plummeting to the ground, being aware you’re going to die.
Sadly, this is a serie of events that led to the crash. Firstly, the ground engineer who should have left the switch on auto mode. Then pilot error of not being able to detect the error, additionally the miscommunication between the capitain and co-pilot. Then you have Boeing, that has the same alarm for 2 totally different scenarios and finally hypoxia that was the real cause of this terrible crash. Andreas is a real hero indeed. May your souls rest in peace.
The fact that the alarm for two *completely different* scenarios actually makes use of the same alarm plausible Still though, communication problems do worse than this :(
The engineers are at fault. It was mostly due to Oxygen deprivation of the brain that the captain and co are entering in a state of confusion(judging from the captain's panicky conversation with atc) climbing above the altitude of 10, 000 would have already alerted the crew, but alas Hypoxia is already doing its work.
Tragic, tragic, loss. This is just one of those accidents involving pilot error that should never have been allowed to happen. RIP to all those who lost their lives.
How can 2 pilots not notice the incorrect setting? Checking this should be part of the preflight checklist. Deep respect for Andreas who tried to save everybody.
Everytime I watch the reenactment of one of these air disasters my heart breaks because at times it's one thing overlooked and an entire plane filled with people are gone. That's why it's so important to go through a checklist thoroughly and follow protocol each and every time.
I wonder when if ever they'll be able to have an emergency team on the ground or in one of those jets that would remotely control the plane in situations like this.
Redundancy creates complacency. I'd argue that checklist redundancy caused this. Its not as simple as you think. The usual Monday morning QB'ing here with flight crashes
@@dsanalysis5013 I disagree. There's a reason there are checklists in place. The cause of this accident wasn't because of redundancy, it was oversight on the crew's part. Checklists are only as good as the people using them. You won't see this from a US carrier because checklists require the crew to agree and that makes it much harder to become complacent. The passenger aircraft industry is built on redundancy. To say that it creates complacency is kind of ridiculous. Sounds like you may not quite grasp the concept of crew resource management.
@Sooner Keith Wonder if in Greece they are required to practice the sterile cockpit and CRM protocol. Also since the O2 masks dropped why in the world didn't the flight attendants inform the captain or F.O.??? This really puzzles me.
@@watershed44 Great questions. With things the way they were in Greece when this occurred I have to wonder how the industry oversight was affected. I suspect they had the sterile cockpit rule in effect, however, there was a clear issue with their CRM. You have the exact same question I have about the lack of another crew member alerting the flight deck of the mask drop. Additionally, since there was at least one crew member with a portable oxygen system, I have to wonder why he didn't insert himself much sooner. Many unanswered questions I guess we'll never have answers for, however, the biggest issue was the lack of focus during their checklist work through.
@Sooner Keith Yes especially since FA Andreas was a qualified commercial pilot too he had to know something was clearly wrong up front and that ascending after the masks came down was a bad thing. (DELETED COMMENT FOR SECURITY REASONS) I won't go into that any further, however I'm not sold on a locked cockpit door, it is a double edged sword really when you consider how rare hostile intrusions are.
Imagine being that flight attendant. Imagine how absolutely terrified he must have been upon the realization of what was taking place. Yet still had the courage to attempt to save the plane. Though he could not, that person is still a hero to me.
I remember this case vividly, being in greece. Andreas was engaged to one of the flight attendants. "In a tragic twist, Prodromou was on the doomed plane as a last-minute replacement and only agreed because his girlfriend Haris Charalambous was also working on the flight."
Ya judging from the captain's panicky conversation with atc it was mostly due to Oxygen deprivation of the brain that the captain and copilot are entering in a state of confusion. Hypoxia is already happening before they took off.
@@YukarisGearReviews No thats not true, when climbing at typical rate as they did, you keep complete conscious until 30 000 ft, and you reach that more then 13 minutes after this warning. Actually, on every flight you have this pressure level, as this is the normal flight pressure level.
That's what happened in the crash of the Learjet which killed six, including pro-golfer Payne Stewart. The pilots didn't even have time to don their oxygen masks before they and the passengers were overcome by hypoxia (there was no warning) and the plane flew for 4 more hrs w/no one piloting before it crashed.
This happened to my flight to prague aswell but the pilots actually knew what they were doing and took us down to a stable air pressure and then did an emergency landing
This is the most negligent crash I've seen on your channel so far. All warnings aside, when the oxygen masks came down, you would think the crew would have notified them. In addition, they should have noticed the breathing difficulty and just began decent even if they couldn't figure the problem. Sometimes I wonder if some pilots get so used to everything being automated in commercial jets, that they actually loose experience the more they fly this type of plane.
Hypoxia can happen very quickly, especially in a plane that is ascending so sharply after takeoff. You become disoriented and can't think or take action. The fighter pilots saw the oxygen masks dangling, suggesting that everyone was already unconscious.
"This is the most negligent crash I've seen on your channel so far." __________ Keep watching. There's far worse negligence on some of these videos than what you witnessed here.
@@flipnap2112 The coroner says on NatGeo "Air Crash Investigation" that many of the passengers are still alive when the planes crashes. They are in an "induced coma". The coroner found ashes in throat and lungs. Very sad.
When the first engine failed the aircraft descended to 7100 ft. How long was it from the time it crossed under 10000 ft till the moment of impact? Its quite possible that some people regained consciousness. That's absolutely horrible to think about.
Seems ridiculous in the age of computers that the pressurization system, a life and death system, cannot be made to come on by itself whenever the aircraft exceeds 10,000 feet regardless of the switch setting.
The A.I technology back then was more limited than what we have now. Computers back then where more mechanical and manual as opposed to digital and automatic. Today, we can set automatic air pressure override if it drops to a certain point.
It may seem logical to think that way, but you are only considering this 'system flaw' now when you saw this case. How many cases like this one you heard of before? Commercial airplanes are very complex machines, and introducing automation logic for each and every potential issue would make things safer on one side, but at one point it would start to make problems on the other (sooner or later). Computer should offer guidance, assist and enhance flying experience for both pilots and passengers, but pilot is the one who should be in control. And these pilots failed on so many levels...
To be safe, fly on major airlines only. Most regional airlines may not stick to directives from aircraft manufacturers or the FAA, and compromise on maintenance.
@Therapist Flim Flam ATC contributed but the KLM pilot caused the crash even his F/E recognized the PAN AM jet wasn't clear. Los Rodeos was a regional airport that didn't handle 747s typically but technically if a 747 can land and takeoff safely an airport can "handle" a 747. Parking them was the bigger issue.
This should motivate anyone about to fly to spend at least 12 hours the week before, playing flight simulator, trying to pilot any and every commercial aircraft and playing with absolutely every control, you never know, one of the few conscious people might have been able to save this flight.
There is a video with the live recorded communications of the two HAF (Hellenic Air Firce) F-16 Greek fighter jet pilots who intercepted the Helios airplane. Is entirely in Greek. The fighter pilots were extremely professional until they noticed that the plane was full of passengers and then they trying hard to gain their composure in order to report accurately the incident! They were reporting the incident shouting as soon as the airplane was heading to crash! You could feel their horror and anguish as they were watching all these people perish on the hillside! It was so vivid and traumatic!
There is nothing to learn from two pilots don't doing their jobs, don't knowing what important warnings mean, don't checking checklists and likely ignoring cabin crew calling them.
@A Frustrated Gamer No, the goal is to prevent dump people from working on any machinery, and expecially from flying an airplane!! Making the warning more obvious for the last 0,01 % of pilots mey be an additional way.
also incredibly irresponsible from the ground engineer in London who didn't set the switch back to auto after the test. Both share blame on this one. The pilots too.
@@dmstn Yeah, seems like there's no way he worked with the manual out and turned to the correct procedure, following it step-by-step as required by regulations. Both he and the pilots failed so completely it's crazy.
@@dmstn No not only because of a switch, not only because three people didn't checked it (repeatedly), but also because of blockheaded pilots that kept climbing with a master caution warning AND some other warning they both don't understand and because of not listening to the cabin crew.
Most heart wrenching part is that the flight attendant knew he was going to die in spite of his efforts. A hero for trying. I truly wish he had been successful.
Why do airlines hire pilots and copilots that can't communicate with each other. I think this is extremely important to avoid something like this.Great video.
It was cabin pressure loss which disabled oxygen. Without oxygen they couldn't function well and the brain stopped working. Read in entirety before being smart ass asshole.
@@nureenizati9422 Noooo no no no no. The first tree (!!) big mistakes they made was when they were on the ground before takeoff (ignoring checklists). Then the cabin pressure alarm goes off at 10 000 ft, at this altutude you have a clear mind, even when you go skiing in the mountains, you are at this altitude. They "missunderstood" this alarm, although this is a very serious alarm that is trained over and over often in a pilots career. Then at 18 000 ft they "didn't know what the master caution warning could mean" !!! Man, a master caution warning is the most important warning in a cockpit, you should take action imediately! And no, at 18 000 ft you have more than half an hour of useful conciousness, so no excuse of hypoxia! They had more than 13 minutes from the first alarm on, and 8 minutes from the master caution warning on, where their brain was not affected by hypoxia, and they both didn't do what pocedures were telling them, didn't know what alarms mean, but were so blockheaded they kept climbing even further! If you know a bit of aviation, its incredible how dumb they were.
The warning at 10,000 ft should have told them something since this is the min. altitude you would descend to in the event of a cabin pressurization event.
This channel is one of the best way of learning for pilots and trainees. However, it may have negative effect on passengers like me who may develop fear of flying.
Luis Enrique Thats great! I typically love flying and I’m not scared at all; never think about these sorts of things. The only thing that makes me nervous are airports, because I’m an introvert, and my local airport is O’hare (one of the busiest in the USA). All of the people everywhere rushing and sometimes screaming, along with me trying to not miss my flight, make me uneasy. I try to conceal my nervousness as much as possible, but TSA (airport security here in the USA) has often stopped me to swab my hands like I’m transporting something I shouldn’t lol lol Considering I’ve never been scared to actually fly, I’ll just not watch these videos before a flight cause I don’t want to develop that feeling all of a sudden..!
This entire story could of had a different outcome if it weren’t for multiple people. 1 huge thing missed by a lot of people. Whenever I fly it makes me want to do my own walkout- and pre flight checklist as a passenger
Theoretically, I agree. Many disasters would be avoided if pilots were trained to abort because of any issue. But, if every little problem resulted in a detour, lots of time and money would be wasted. Many issues that arise can easily be fixed mid-flight, which saves both airliners and passengers from a lot of unnecessary trouble. (Many corporations, at high levels, also care less about the loss of life over the loss of money. But that's a whole 'nother thing entirely) So, while it'd be much safer to land during any problem, it's unfortunately a very disruptive thing to not only the economy, but peoples life's in general. I apologize for this really long ramble, (as I'm sure you're already aware of at least part of it) but I figured it'd be useful for others to see as well. Have a fantabulous day/night!
Not necessarily landing, but having standard procedure to return to 10,000 ft or below/stop climbing for this type of alert. Bottom line, though, is that this crew failed to follow checklists multiple times. One thing that's almost a given in the US, at least during warmer months, is a call over the intercom that AC won't be operational again until they pressurize before takeoff, and it not coming back up is something even most passengers would notice. Regardless, missing checklist items and not even giving thought to "We're about to fly a plane, we should probably have a pressurized cabin" shows that the entire flight crew was made up of arrogant space cadets. Policy only works when it's obeyed.
@@Prototyp3m1nd There IS indeed a standard procedure, always immediately return to 10 000 ft, if pressure loss or malfunction. Its that simple. But they not only ignored this, but few other crucial things too!
My brother Andreas was in there...
I will miss him forever. And never forget him.
R.I.P Andreas Prodromou.1989-2005
May he Rest In Peace
How come the idiot didn’t land the plane?
@@garfielf1826 Not smoke, the cabin wasn't pressurized so they weren't getting enough oxygen.
omg
Aldo the Apache At least you should have more values, respect and empathy that obviously it clearly seems that you have none...Karma is a bitch and it will eventually hit you at certain point in your miserable life and it would go to anyone who you love (that’s the case if you have that sense of love in your mind and you’re not a psychopath which it seem to be the case with you)
Huge respect for the flight attendant that tried to fly and save the plane
Kirito exactly......
Imagine how desperate she had to be..
François Granger dude you are being disrespectful
François Granger it’s okay ....
François Granger now I feel kinda bad 😶
I received so many requests to recreate this tragic accident, so, here it is. I spent almost a full week to recreate this flight. Hope you'll appreciate my work. Have a nice weekend. ❤
Really appreciate your hardwork,awesome content👍👏
Good Job Dude Keep it up!! :^ Btw Can u make Garuda Indonesia that crash in fukuoka?
TheFlightChannel great work!
Nice one
Hey can you create one on PIA 268?
Amazing job! Check also Flight 411 Olympic Airways 1978, ''Terror over Athens''. I suppose it would be a very interesting episode.
Cant imagine what the 2 fighter pilots were thinking. What a helpless feeling to not be able to help and watch it crash.
There was plenty of time, they might have been ordered to fired a missil if the plane was going to crash in some crowded area... some say that was the action in the
this is the actual recording of one of the fighter pilots following the plane that morning , you can hear the distress in his voice when it went down , he was shocked to his core witnessing this at 06:50
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@@vdenise Jesus christ..
My heart went out to Andreas P. being the lone person still conscious and knowing he was in a life or death crisis. I cannot imagine how he felt.
Ya
i feel same *crying right now after watching air crash investigation for 3rd time adn read ur comment
I just saw a comment from his brother about him. Crazy how the comment section works.
So if Andreas p. Turned it from manual to auto at the very last moment would the cabin be stabilised?
What could that fighter jet do to him? How can they help him?
Rather than alarm, it should be clearly saying "Low air pressure" just like how it says "Low terrain, pull up". So pilots don't need to figure out what was that alarm for. If system would have said "Low air pressure" while crossing 10K feet, the pilots would have immediately deployed the auto switch for pressure system or would have not climbed further.
Sandeep Deshpande there is a warning light warning of cabin altitude but it was determined the sunlight made it hard to notice when looking up. Hence why modern planes with glass cockpits show it in the displays now
Well, on the Maddog, we have 2 buzzer sounds followed by the bitching betty saying "CABIN ALTITUDE". Guess it's what was needed
FUCKING THANK YOU!!
One can only sound above 10k fleet and the other can only sound on the ground. It didn't need two different sounds.
Exactly! The same vague voice message caused the crash of the Air France 747 in the South Atlantic. The voice kept saying "pull up" instead of more specifically telling the crew to reset the flaps which had been pushed to the wrong position.
I think all alarms shouldn't just be beeps. They should be in words - "LOW CABIN AIR PRESSURE!!' would have been better than beep beep beep. No pilot interpretation needed.
Well said, if not English, simply program different languages and require the pilots to select his language before takeoff.
Which is still a switch or selection that can be missed, just as the pressurisation switch was missed.
Theres a beep AND a fucking light saying whats wrong. The pilots couldnt be bothered to simply turn and Look.
@Kilo Byte no. They arent
Nicholas Tay , I thought all pilots needed to know English?
The really sad thing is that, even if Andreas had managed to land the plane, it very likely wouldn't have saved the passengers or crew. It was at 34,000 feet, unpressurized, for an extended period of time. The people on the plane were almost certainly brain-dead at that point. He would have landed a plane full of dead people. It would have at least saved his own life, though, and it really sucks that despite his heroic efforts he went down with the plane. The whole thing was a disaster that never needed to happen.
They should teach flight assistants to work the radios at least.
@@REB4444 Quite likely they all were brain dead, even if their bodies were still alive. They underwent extreme hypoxia for hours. Just the fact they were still alive at all was amazing, but even if their bodies were, there was nothing left upstairs to save.
@@REB4444 Even if they were all dead best case scenario they could have recovered the plane. However, I doubt a flight attendant could land it even if he made contact with ATC on the com. At least they were unconscious when they died. Stupid mistake.
at least there would had been full bodies to recover and give a proper burial.
@@ajtwain Yep, even if he could land the plane under direction via radio at all, the plane was out of fuel, so he'd have only one try.
My little sister my cousin and my uncle was on this flight... I will never forget you guys I will love you for ever... 121 souls pass away... 22 children's 99 other peoples 18+ years old...
Sorry to hear that.
I CANT BELIEVE IT. SO. SORRY FOR YOUR LOSES. KEEP STRONG
Συλλυπητήρια, αιώνια η μνήμη τους.
Sorry for your loss...was this a Malaysian flight that got disappeared and became mystery?
@@clydekaladi1069 ευχαριστω αδερφε... Νασε καλα... Ο θεος να σας προσεχει ολους σας
The most chilling detail about that flight is that Andreas Prodromou, the person who was found in the cockpit, was a flight attendant who wanted to become a pilot. His mother recalled after the accident, that once they both boarded a plane as passengers and he pointed to the cockpit and told her: "You know, mother, one day I'll be over there!" How tragic and ironic that sounds today!!! It's like his wish came true in the worst possible way...😢😭🙏❤️☺️🤗
My heart brakes at what you just said 💔💔💔💔💔💔that is just sooo sad and tragic 😭😭😭😭😭
The shocking thing about this crash is there were so many avoidable mistakes. The 1st engineer who switched the air pressure to manual and did not return it to auto, the 3 times the pilots failed to check the air pressure was set to auto during completion of 3 separate checklists and the captain who didn't answer the 2nd engineer's question regarding the air pressure switch. This crash was so easy to avoid if everyone simply did their job competently.
That said well done to Andreas for trying to stop the plane from crashing. It's a shame it was in vain but it was not his fault. He is not trained/qualified to fly a 737.
Imagine the guilt of the first engineer. That would be so unbearable.
@@vancedstone I think that are why checklist are for .... I see bigger responsibility on the crew
Even when the engineer on the ground asked them about the switch there was no reply to that specific question.
The mistake already started at Boeing. Why was the sound for low cabin pressurization the same as the wrong take of configuration? Disasters are the result from many mistakes.
@@pascal2085 Yeah but even still there were other indicators that were totally blown off such as the master switch as well as other indicators that had nothing to do with what they mistakenly thought it was originally.
Andreas was flying a plane full of dead people. That is absolutely horrifying. Rest in peace to him and all the souls on board.
Matt Campbell , RiP , said perfectly
@@vfarthur18 At one point they were unconscious, but if their brains don't get sufficient oxygen at some point they become 'brain-damaged'/paralyzed/induced coma aka Hypoxia. If the flight attendant were to have saved the plane, it might have been even harder on families to have a loved one 'alive', but only to be on a ventilator bed forever. I will not argue as people will have their own opinions (if they had a choice), but medically speaking because their bodies were without oxygen for so long they would have been died.
This video is fake
@@vfarthur18 yea I know that the flight isn't fake I know the incident but few things in the video is fake
@@Awesome-21 you are fake
Kudos to Andreas...he deserves recognition for his attempt to get the plane out of the situation. It must have been a horrible experience for him. RIP to all lives lost.
Yep walking through a plane , past all those bodies. All alone, I would hate to feel what he/she would of been feeling. Complete helplessness, fear and doom
I just couldn't imagine going through that. Talk about feeling completely alone. Poor guy :-(
RIP Andreas 😢
Were the passengers dead already or just passed out?
Why he didn't try to communicate with pilots / enter the cockpit when oxygen mask were dropped but the aircraft didn't start descending??? He have to understand something goes very wrong at this moment, when it was really possible to save everyone.
These video's are so addictive. Well done to the creator. But now I'm shit scared of flying
what about video of pakistan F-16 shot down by Indian MIG??
@@rahuldeovatsa - WTF does that have to do with this tragedy???
@@Ace-ni9ko Were have you been living.India and Pakistan attacks and battles!I think Rahul thinks Khuram is from Pakistan so he is just being salty.But India is a great country to vist.
I watched a compilation of these before I had a returning flight from Bangalore to Frankfurt and guess what, nothing happened
rahul deovatsa I'm born and bred in London... anyway what does that have to do with this video?
I’m a flight attendant myself and not one single video has ever made me feel like this one. I could truly never and would never want to know what Andreas went through
why did the flight attendants not alert the cockpit that the masks dropped ? and why did the pilots not check the switch before take off ?
.....had a commercial pilots license, but was not experienced enough to take control of this plane......sounds like another nail in the WTC coffin
Oh I feel soo bad... I mean they all died even after Andreas managed to stay conscious just because of a fucking radio channel
@@mikethespike056 The pilots and passengers were already dead. The only people that could've been saved at that point were potential flight attendants that were using portable O2 tanks
Its okay dear. Everything is fine ultimately father has a peace mechanism buit within for this kind of situation.lots of love Nd peace to u
I remember the day. I was shocked. We all were.
R.I.P. to everyone, R.I.P. to Andreas who tried to save the flight. God bless their souls.
was everyone talking about it ? how long did it go for ?
We all were.
@@thejgamer0855 was everyone shocked ?
@@Gencturk92 i wasn't living in 2005, but my parents told me, and yes, everyone was shocked
imagine, Andreas was almost the only person conscious trying to fly the plane without knowing what to do and the moment when he realized the plane is crashing. this was so f heartbreaking!
A few facts about hypoxia or oxygen deprivation:
1)You dont know when you are hypoxic
2)Commercial pilots receive no hypoxia training....military pilots only
3)At only 5000 feet,you start to lose night vision when hypoxic.
4)Above 10000',you start to lose other faculties including memory and reasoning.
5)Above 20000,you are in the danger zone and can pass out in 2 minutes.
6)Above 30000,youve got about 60 seconds before passing out.
7)If you're healthy and acclimatized you can defy the above numbers(not 6,never 6)
to a certain extent.
When the pilots heard the horn,they were at a cabin altitude of 10000 feet and already
suffering from mild hypoxia.And the plane was climbing,so the cabin altitude was climbing.So they had one chance to identify the horn.The longer they leave it,the more hypoxic they become and wont be able to recall training and memory to control the situation.
After the accident,the 737 was fitted with a warning light that illuminates with the horn telling the crew what the problem is.
I really wonder how long did Andreas last...did his portable oxygen still have enough oxygen for him to survive until the impact? Or he just passed out after the 5th mayday message? If he did survive until the oxygen was out, did he know that he would have passed away shortly? (Was he able to see how much oxygen did he have left?) Terrible to think about...
Before commercial pilots become actual commercial pilots, they have to have experienced in the air force therefore becoming a military pilot, so they did receive training but it was pilot error, and every commercial pilot was once a military pilot before becoming a commercial pilot
@@かのかり-s1l actually not true it's not an requirement to join the air force to become an commercial pilot.
actually there are sign that show that you are suffering from hypoxia (blue fingers, blue lips, headaches, drowsiness, etc...)
@@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag He probably also used other oxygen devices (masks for crew seats and the pilots). Once under 9000ft the pressure would be sufficiant for humans. If he didn't pass out before the plane descended to that altitude, he would have been fully conscious during the crash.
As a retired professional pilot, I find it incredible that Both of these pilots were that incompetent in their knowledge of aircraft warning systems. It defies belief! A depressurization problem is highly serious and is usually taught/covered in recurrent training.
@@futile2try
Did you watch the whole video? He was already experiencing unconsciousness which is why he was suddenly looking for circuit breakers.
@BDPhotog67
There's no way to tell that oxygen masks have fallen from the passenger cabin unless they were told by a flight attendant which they weren't. That's what you should find most disturbing!
@BDPhotog67
I respect your flying anxieties but you could easily get knocked down crossing the road and there's more chance of you dying in a car accident than there is on an aeroplane.
I agree.
The pilots didn't go through the preflight and flight checklists to check, verify, agree and correct the state of all the buttons and switches in compliance with the checklists.
They were demonstrably not psychologically fit to pilot commercial airliners if they had become casual about the flight checklists. The decades of not crashing had made them hubristic and complacent. Flying is only relatively safe if the flight operations comply with the flight procedures that compliment the engineering.
In the memory of Andreas. You shall be remembered and never forgotten. We miss you. And you shall be a hero.
@Paddy Mcdoogle wtf is he supposed to say then
@Paddy Mcdoogle What are you supposed to say when someone dies? Congrats? Fuck off.
@Paddy Mcdoogle your hair cut is cringe
@Paddy Mcdoogle lol yikes, seems like that's directed towards yourself trying to disrespect the dead, nice try
@Paddy Mcdoogle ik ur cringe dude, we all get it loo
Andreas deserves to be awarded posthumously. At such a high altitude with little to no oxygen, he was probably experiencing some symptoms himself and had to see everyone passed out on the plane including the pilots. Despite all that he tried to save the plane in his last moments. That gesture really touched me.
Weeeell🙄
He was using a portable oxygen bottle, so he had no symptones.
From the investigation report:
"The Board found the fact that this cabin attendant might not have attempted to enter the flight deck until hours after the first indication that the aircraft was experiencing a non- normal situation quite puzzling."
I remember this case vividly, being in greece. Andreas was engaged to one of the flight attendants. "In a tragic twist, Prodromou was on the doomed plane as a last-minute replacement and only agreed because his girlfriend Haris Charalambous was also working on the flight."
I feel so sorry for the lone attendant still awake who had to watch it go down. I find it distressing that two pilots with such extreme experience could make such a mistake.
and the idiot engineer
How was it the engineers fault? The pilots failed to conduct their pre-flight and in-flight safety checks.
@@Bankable2790 exactly and i dont understand why the pilots didnt check the switch before take off... dont pilots normally do this on every flight ?
@@SFbayArea94121 Yeah the engineers messed up by leaving in manual, but the pilots missed it in 3 safety checks! Pilots are never supposed to assume that everything is as it should be, because not happening to notice that something small is off can be disasterous. That's why safety checks exist.
Just Another Important Person none of this is the engineers fault.. the pilots should’ve checked it in their checklists and besides that the pilots literally ignored the question the engineer asked
Andreas you are a hero anyway, you tried your best to save the plane
rangermaverick85
Yes.. he was 💔
A better Andreas compared to Andreas Lubitz, the culprit behind Germanwings Flight 9525
Ditto, truly a hero 🙏🏾
Indeed a hero. Rest in peace. 😔😔
pilot error... he might have tried to save it but it was the pilot error in the first place... you dont overlook something when 200 people lives are depending on you.
I wish that once a quarter, they gave pilots, co pilots and navigators two days to watch like 5 of these videos.
They would always have this extra knowledge or at least reminders in their head
They Dont have navigators anymore wtf
gps is their navigator
@@puffy6975 maybe dan meant the flight engineer?
@@drmantistobboggangonzodr3961 Yea, But Many Modern Planes Only Need 2 Pilots So It's Kinda Useless
They will have obviously all studied major crashes....
@@samwilson745 You worked as a pilot for which airline?
Andreas Prodromou, the flight attendant (also a pilot) who tried to save the plane, was 25 at the time. His girlfriend, Haris Charalambous, was with him on that flight. I can only try to imagine how horrific this whole ordeal was for Andreas. Huge respect to him for keeping his coolnes, trying his best, and a warm hug to their family.
I cant imagine the frustration and helplessness of those fighter pilots... they could just withness the tragedy unfolding...
Nhji0
@@ravibhu1236 And the poor steward who knew he was going to die!
I would probably not be able to forgive myself even though there was nothing I could've done.
@@Pisti846 omg this was so sad 😢
you can listen and see the actual HUD footage of one of the f-16s ua-cam.com/video/OzxV1kRMdqE/v-deo.html
I remember I was at a beach near Kalamos with my parents and friends. Then an aircraft pass above us and I remember my dad saying "isn't that kind of lower than normal?" When we went home later we saw what happened and as a kid I was shocked that I saw the airplane literally minutes before it crashed. Rest in peace to the passengers and crew members.
Kalamos is on the other side of Greece and nowhere near the flightpath of flight 552. You definitely saw another plane.
probably a different flight on final
LOL YOU MUFFINB
@@Ijineda You definitely don't know that there are a lot places in Greece named Kalamos. I am talking about Kalamos next to Oropos.
@@homerl7 You're right. I even visited more than one Agios Ioannis ;)
The amazing moment to me is when the last communication to the tower was the answer that could have saved them.... he asked if it was set to auto but the pilots already couldnt think clearly enough. That was the moment right there that could have saved them, but also seemed to be the moment it was too late
Anonymous Hitman Hypoxia is pretty fucking difficult to detect tbf. Pilots are trained to spot it but you can’t really feel it coming on. The only way you can recognise the symptoms is by doing a cognitive/memory test. There’s only so much you can do. As far as you’re concerned there’s absolutely nothing wrong with you. It’s only if somebody else is able to tell you, but by the time it would have started to show to one another they were already falling unconscious
@Anonymous Hitman Bro... telling people suffering from hypoxia to just "think clearly" is fucking stupid.
I advise you to watch the video on hypoxia by SmarterEveryDay
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The intructors clearly tells him "put your mask on or you are going to die" and the dude just stand there smiling while saying "I don't want to die" and someone had to come and put the mask on for him.
You staight up lose control of your body.
@Anonymous Hitman Because it takes seconds to become unconscious from hypoxia. By the time the answer came they were too far gone.
Kind of hard to believe that a 737 doesn't signal the flight deck that the cabin masks have automatically deployed, since they use chemical oxygen generators that only work for 10-12 minutes, depending on how many people actually PULL DOWN ON THE TUBE TO OPEN THE FLOW VALVE. Did you know you have to do that? The steward directions usually say to pull down on the mask and attach it to your face, but they don't say WHY you need to pull it down firmly, so this instruction probably goes in one ear and out the other, even if people are listening at all.
We were not told how long it took the air traffic controllers at Nicosia to find the engineer and for him to get up to the control tower. Half a minute earlier might have made a difference.
If only the oxygen masks had automatically deployed in the cockpit it would have been obvious to the flight crew.
Why the cabin crew did not warn the captain that the masks been deployed?
That would had been better solution at that point of time to give a clear indication to pilots that the alarm is low pressure warning
@@antoniomazzaalex7087 actually there is an indicator in the cockpit that tell the pilot that passenger oxygen mask is on , but seem like they ignored that too
@@farhsa_ I believe at that point, both the captain and the F/O already starting to not focus. Like when youre trying to do work when you're really sleepy
@@farhsa_
It sounded the same as the flight configuration warning, so even though they were at the wrong altitude, they must have been confused already.
There should be a camera in the cockpit for pilots to see the passenger cabin.!!!
Right!?! My thoughts exactly!!!
@@danielle5253 They'll be like.."Ooh we don't want distraction on the pilots".
@@kiwishbj1 Probably 😒🤦♀️
Why didn’t a crew member ask the pilots why the oxygen masks dropped? Then the pilots would have known.
@@whjerts because they didnt speak german...it was a german pilot amd most likely greek flight attendant with limited english language skill ( and no german ).....
I can't imagine the frustration of the flight attendant that tried to save the plane watching all those people dying still in their seats and the officer next to him just dead (unconscious)
flight attendents should spend a few weeks in flight simulators on the aircraft they will work on.. be able to locate all flight controls and things you need to do to fly the plane in an emergency.
I can't imagine how hopeless that last flight attendant felt as he was trying to save the plane with everyone else on board passed out. The eerie silence that surrounded him 🙁 great video, TFC. You're very good at making these long videos. Pure satisfaction. Thank you ❤
Which is why ppl are afraid of flying and its not irrational. Your chances of dying are low. But when you do, its the worst way to die. Watching mountains or water come at you.
DS Analysis well, i think the fear comes from being at such an incredible height. a car crash is more likely to happen to you than a plane crash, but at least you’re on the ground with opportunities to survive if you do end up in an accident on the ground.
DS Analysis besides i think that if a plane crash happens to you, you will most likely pass out before the plane hits the surface because you’re falling towards the ground with such a large amount of speed.
He made a heroic effort. Planes should, by now, have an “auto-land” button.
A J Do you mean the approach mode of the autopilot
And this is why they should bring back Flight Engineers on every flight. This disaster could've been easily avoided if airliners didn't cut budgets and remove Flight Engineers from airplanes.
The only blessing in this is that everyone was unconscious and did not see the fate ahead of them. This truly breaks my heart. Human errors can be tragic.
Actually they were brain dead already...
Well the flight attendant wasn’t unconscious?
that wasn't a blessing. that would be a horrible death.
Boris Sheen no, they would have experienced a nice feeling as people have gone through it (either at altitude or under water)report a calming even euphoric feeling. Probably the best way to die in a disastrous accident.
I truly hope your correct on that.
Because I believe some was using the oxygen masks till the end.
The errors:-
1. The first officer wasn't qualified to fly a 737.
2. Engineer left the air pressure on manual.
3. Pilots didn't pay special attention because the plane had recent problems/ been worked on.
4. Preflight check missed it.
5. After-start check missed it.
6. After-takeoff check missed it.
7. Pilots didn't do a check when the alarm was sounding.
8. Pilots didn't level off while they figured out what is going on.
9. Pilots didn't turn around so the plane can be inspected.
10. Pilots didn't tell ATC there was a problem and may have to land.
11. The cabin crew didn't realise they or the passengers were getting altitude sickness (some people handle altitude better than others).
12. When the masks came down, no one was screaming or trying to alert the pilots.
13. Pilots didn't follow the engineer's suggestion.
14. The pilots didn't recognise the symptoms of altitude, especially when the captain went to get up (I believe he would have stumbled, or light-headed at the least).
15. There was still at least one person alive, why didn't they contact the pilots sooner?
16. Why didn't ATC try to contact the plane of the last known frequency?
17. The Alarm was unclear.
18. Pilots should have been competent, and knew scenarios that would cause an alarm to sound.
19. Language barrier between the Captain and First Officer.
20. Was the captain in the early stages of Alzheimers that had gone unnoticed?
Did I miss anything? It's hard to get your head around all the factors that lead to the crash.
The Service Engineer had left the Switch in Manual mode after the Pressurization test. That's the mother of all errors.
G Subra I don‘t think it is. It only is the root here cause the pilots apparently never checked it in their lifes.
Pilots are supposed to check if all theirs systems are set right, even the most „unimportant“‘systems from a pilot‘s point of view. The engineer is not supposed to set it for the pilots
I think it was the flight attendant who wasn't qualified on 737, not the pilot or Fo!
That's not what the official accident report concluded (available on a quick google search). The pilots were properly certified and had proper medicals. The captain did not have alzheimers (?!), he was suffering from hypoxia. The cause was the missed checklist items. Failure to properly recognize the cabin altitude alarm was attributed to training problems with the company that included lack of hypoxia awareness which exacerbated the poor decisions by the flight crew.
Yeah, all of it; 18 and 19 especially.
A simple switch of a button killed everyone! Unbelievable
@Sihyun Kim Yep, sometimes you have to bring the big hammer in to stop the enemy in their tracks!!
or UNBEARABEL
@@leamorvallescas Right
@☣☣ẌЇℒ€Ð☣☣ They were suffering the effects of hypoxia and weren't capable of clear thought. The guy who forgot to flip the switch back to auto killed everyone.
ProGreen LAWN Yes? Then, I hope somebody brings out this big hammer again and smacks it right down on the White House for a change.
It’s frightening how there are just soooo many reasons a plane can go down and the experts only understand about it later and do rectification measure after lives have already been lost. Makes you scared to go on another plane and be a reason of another case study!
I was on this plane the day before this tragedy, I remember my dad who was a frequent flyer was genuinely scared during this flight he and many others complained about numerous things on this flight from the air con to banging noises.
It felt awful to be sat by a pool in Cyprus the day after getting off this aircraft to see all those lives gone,
Helios cut corners here because at least 80% on our flight from London had reported it whilst exiting RIP to all those who lost their life xo
I was also on this plane the day before. I recall the state of the plane being quite shabby. I used to fly regularly but since this incident, developed a chronic fear of flying. I also recall extremely graphic pictures in the cypriot papers which didn't help!
It’s true, I’m the banging noises
That is why they went out of business a year later...
I also flew with helios 3 months before the crash and I remember complaining as did many others about the freezing cold temperatures and weird noises, at that time helios only had three planes in their fleet it makes me shudder thinking about this tragedy.
Some of these crashes happened bcs the company was on low budget. But hey look, they dont have to cut corners no more since they are bankcrupts due to the fatal accidents, look who's laughing now.
Not worth it, right?
R.I.P to the victims and salutes to Andreas. May Your Souls Rest In Peace
We are immortal conscious beings of light, we live for eternity, we never die, we transistion into anything else we want to be as we are mutidimentional!!! God Bless This Universe......
At least evryone was already dead before the plane crashed, except for that poor flight attendant who had to watch the plane crash.
I think he also lost consciousness and probably died before the aircraft crashed.
@@ajalchemist9480 He will have I expect. His last minutes would have been horrific though,
Not Andreas
I rather die in a crashed instead of suffocation
Apparently Andreas even waved at the fighter jet very briefly. I can’t even imagine what he must have been thinking as the on,y one conscious, knowing you’re unable to control this plane yourself and not even the jets beside you can help. May he and all the others rest in peace.
He was already suffering from the lack of oxygen which is why it took him so long to enter the cockpit and why his decision making was not top notch ( not blaming him , the fact he was still conscious is a feat by itself )
I remember this case vividly, being in greece. Andreas was engaged to one of the flight attendants. "In a tragic twist, Prodromou was on the doomed plane as a last-minute replacement and only agreed because his girlfriend Haris Charalambous was also working on the flight."
No telling how and when we gonna die. Lets be nice . Kind and loving to all living Beings
@Patricia Westervelt never used to consider such things when I was a younger man but I now tell everyone that matters to me how much they mean to me every time I see them because I never know when if I will see them again. I'm not old now, only turned 40 last year and don't expect to go anytime soon, I'm just a little bit wiser now and never take for granted the people who care about me and have made my life richer for being a part of it. Tomorrow is promised to no one. Take nothing and no one for granted, because you or they may not be around tomorrow
yes
100% agreed
@showbizonastick actually flying is safer than walking down the street
@@spaghettiupseti9990 its 100% the safest way to travel
This makes you realize how precious life is and how any day could be your last. think 121 people died, why? because of a 1/4 click on a switch. Rest in peace to all those involved and especially the flight attendant who didn't have the luxury to being asleep while watching the end of his life and 120 others draw closer and closer.
I didn't realise how this 18 minutes passed. It was utterly captivating. It's amazing how a small mistake can lead to a massive tragedy.
In virtually every aircraft incident you'll find that the crash was almost always caused by more than one incident. True in this case too; had the ground engineer reset the pressurization back to auto and the flight deck paid better attention while working through 3 different checklists (any one of them would have exposed the issue before it was too late) this event wouldn't have occurred. It's crazy to think how it took a specific series of mistakes for this to happen. Almost always the case with these accidents.
A small mistake? No way! This was a case of multiple huge blunders!
@CWLDOC what I meant was it was just a matter of setting a button or a knob to it's right place n we wouldn't be talking about it right now
Dandut lama
Small mistake?? It was a series of very serious mistakes that lead to a totally preventable tragedy.
Thoughts about Andreas just makes me go numb.Despite being the only person in consciousness and realizing that the plane is soon gonna hit the ground he had the mind to at least make a try. Huge respect🥀
I remember this case vividly, being in greece. Andreas was engaged to one of the flight attendants. "In a tragic twist, Prodromou was on the doomed plane as a last-minute replacement and only agreed because his girlfriend Haris Charalambous was also working on the flight."
He also supposedly was able to steer the plane away from crashing into the city of Athens, which could have killed hundreds more. Guy was a hero
Poor Andreas he was possibly the only conscious person in the aircraft which he intended to save and the only one to see their tragic ending.
@A Frustrated Gamer Old, but Ive been reading about this incident and figured I'd throw in my two cents. According to autopsies performed on the victims, it was believed the passengers were still alive when the plane crashed. It was a ghost plane, but the poor hero who tried to save the plane was most likely the only one conscious.
His girlfriend, who was a fellow flight attendant, was also conscious.
@@krashd It was a terrible ending.
Multimillion dollars aircraft cant even install different alarm sounds... what the hell
Budget cuts
In other news Indians speak directly into iPhone microphone.
Why bother? The manufacturer (rightly) assumes that there's two trained professionals in the damn cockpit. It's a master caution and it lights up with the issue, they're supposed to find out what the hell is going on. And if they can't figure it out at all, they need to return to the field, not keep going.
Some hightly critical things have specific warnings, like terrain avoidance, bank angle, overspeed, stall, etc. A cabin altitude alert isn't actually THAT critical. It's uncomfortable for the passengers, sure, but a duo of reasonably-competent pilots either have it solved in a matter of seconds by flicking the switch and then getting a tongue-lashing by the airline's head pilot later. Or don their masks and descend to a safe altitude if it's an actual hardware problem.
If they added devices or software to produce different alarms for every damn thing on the plane, they'd never get done. And they would add a lot of unnecessary failure points, maintenance items and complexity.
These two ya-hoos skimped on their pre-flight checklist, which has the cabin pressure switch in it and they forgot everything they were ever trained for when the alert sounded.
You can absolutely blame the pilots for being asshats.
You can most likely blame the airline for skimping on the training and putting schedule pressure on the pilots.
You can't, however, blame the manufacturer.
That'd be like blaming Ford for some dickhead using their phone and driving into a tree.
@@Killerpixel11 as u said, manufacturers should not assume. Thats the critical thing to avoid while dealing with lives 30k feet above sea. Who ever it is human error or careless always comes through. But manufacturers should know about these cockpit guys psychology as well to create a system.
Are there only a few beep beeps or in-words warning in the cabin?
I was writing an essay for a competition on importance of communication. Literally was bored and started to watch the Flight Channel. I've always watched atleast 5-6 videos in one go and this one video struck me. I used it as an example in the essay and it got selected in the merit list!
The flight channel saved the day for me! 😉
In the military during aviation training we did hypoxia training in the pressure simulator. Hypoxia has a VERY subtle onset. Unless you are anticipating it’s onset (like in training) it’s really hard to identify. You feel a little euphoric, then seconds later you are literally asleep.
must be similar to general anaesthetic, in some cases it probably kicks in with no warning at all
Wow. That is such a tough break. I can't imagine that flight attendant having to deal with that knowing everyone is passed out and not revivable. So gut wrenching. Brilliant job as always.
This is devastating. Brought me to tears multiple times. Thankful we can learn from the past to prevent this type of disaster in the future.
7:21 The engineer spotted the issue... so sad the question went disregarded.
Condolences to all those involved.
It's sad the pilot physically wasn't able to respond due to losing his mind from hypoxia.
@@TheHorrorDevotee He responded with his own question.. lol
Due to hypoxia
There's a video of a military pilot training where the effects of hypoxia can be clearly seen. Anyone interested search 'four of spades hypoxia'. The trainee's brain starved on oxygen fixates on the last conscious thought, kind of what we can see here with Helios crew.
I remember this accident and it never ceased to amaze me.. Such a failure from Boeing..
1. The alarm sounds and there is no ECAS message or warning light indicating what the problem is.
2. There is no alarm that the passenger oxygen masks have deplloyed.
3. There is no alarm that the O2 level is too low in the cockpit.
4. If the auto-pilot is engaged, the plane should level off at 10,000 feet when the plane is not pressurized.
I agree with the leveling off automatically with an alarm at or under 10 000 feet if the plane is not pressurized. This could be implemented very easily within the autopilot but I guess they are trusting the pilots to do the right things... Maybe way too much.
And the engineers did not put the switch back to Auto. If they put it back the way it was originally set, it would not have happened. Just a whole pile of errors.
A warning red flashing light with logo 'WEAR MASK' in the cockpit,
is more appropriate than the directive by FAA
What? This crash is totally the fault of Airbus. All of the airbus planes near this plane failed to inform the pilots of their imminent failure.
Airbus is not a trustworthy company anymore.
Why couldn't there be a "low cabin pressure" verbal warning instead of just beeping sounds? If there is a "pull up" or "terrain" verbal warning, why can't there be a verbal warning for issues like this and other possible ones?
If the dumb pilots ignored the sounds, ignored the light signal ignored the cabin altitude gauge they might ignore the verbal warning also. What is really strange they ignored even
What is really strange they ignored even own body signals. Aircrafts climb not very quickly, they have to feel breathing difficulty long before losing consciousness.
%100 agree that would save every airliner from crashing because mostly all the aircrafts that crash are the ones that pilots have a misunderstanding of the alarm noises that could easily be solved if they were verbal not identical alarm noises meaning completely different things
"Pull up" and "Terrain" are immediate critical scenarios. Bottom line, an alert is an alert and should be investigated. Even if all 1000 warning conditions use the same "beep"....still needs to be investigated. Pilot error. 6 times! (2 pilots missing 3 checklists).
And ALL safety features are written in blood. 10 years from now we'll be saying "Why wasn't there an audible warning of bird poop on the left wing light!!"
@@alex-hv2cy Because you lose higher thinking capacities very quickly. Why don't people who climb high mountains turn back whilst they can? Because they can't think straight.
An engineer who failed to turn it back to auto, a simple thing forgotten or overlooked.. and captain and co pilot missed it on three pre flight checks.. what a shocking end.. RIP everyone on board..
Should be done for manslaughter really
The flight engineer on the flight even made a call out for them to check it but it was ignored
All my years of flying to many countries, I have never had problems with the flights, I was very lucky to be still alive today. Thank God for keeping me safe..
There are no gods. Grow up.
@@mrloop1530 …
The engineer had it solved, 7:24
" Can you confirm that the pressurization panel is set to auto"
ALL that pilot had to do was take 2 SECONDS to check and conform for this NOT to happen..
By then the pilots were not thinking clearly.
Captain was already experiencing Hypoxia @14:49
@Noangeltosin if i could change back time if I was the engineer . I would have repeated the question to him to try and get him on track so he can answered the question. maybe it could have saved the plane. but we'll never know.
@@jasonvoorhees6152 wouldn't have mattered. When you are suffering from hypoxia, all ability to reason goes out the window. He probably couldn't find the switch even if he wanted to. If you told him that he is suffering from hypoxia, if you told him that he needs to put on a mask or he'll die, he wouldn't know what you're talking about.
@@naverilllang I know. But hopefully more pilots know when the effect of hypoxia happen.
As much as this saddens me, I’m happy they were all unconscious when the plane crashed so they didn’t have to witness it. Rip to all that died and to the flight attendant who tried to save the plane... you’re a hero, although you didn’t save it, you did a better job than what anyone could’ve done.
Nowadays, no matter how small the problem, pilots will immediately return to the airport.
nowadays? this was in 2005. the airport had already been unable to figure out what caused earlier reason for concern, and their own check ultimately caused everyone's death. the pilots might have been idiots, but it is not precisely fool proof.
I like that
The Person who gave up False, aviation is at the safest it has been for a long time at the moment. Despite the two B737 MAX crashes in regards to Boeing’s software malfunctioning; the aviation industry was at its peaks of safety for passengers.
Btw - it’s more likely to get killed by your own family member than get killed in an airplane crash.
The Person who gave up See how you use the word “can” there :) a small failure won’t make the airplane go down trust me, pilots are able to take control of the aircraft these days and safely co ordinate the passengers into safe hands. Remember this, a pilot never try’s to bring his own airplane down.
A pilot loves what he does, as a profession. A pilot has faith and trust in the workmanship around him, for example the engineers, the cabin crew, the dispatchers, the refulers the ground crew.. everyone. That pilot knows the hard work that’s been put into bringing an aircraft of such into the sky... and the last thing he’ll wanna do is bring it down.
Pilots will always try their best to safely bring their passengers to safety. I can assure you of this. Remember, pilots aren’t superheroes.. BUT... they sure do love what they do and that’s what makes them great.
A small issue.. trust me.. is not enough to bring down a highly advanced aircraft of these ages, it takes a chain of events to bring down an aircraft, and when crashes do happen.. it’s incredibly unlucky and disheartening. But of course there will never be a time in life time where flying is completely safe and there is a 100% chance your aircraft will not crash... but let me tell you. We sure are close to that figure.
But one thing we can stop doing as mankind is stop the incredibly over dramatic news reporters from putting a bad reputation on aviation... they make it seem far worse than what it is ;)
The Person who gave up Again the less experienced pilots don’t mean that they can’t fly. The pilots with less experience still are pilots remember. They still know how to operate an aircraft just as an experienced pilot would, the only difference is that the experienced pilots would know the little secrets about the airplane.
Although many think aviation is dangerous I don’t think they’ve seen the amount of movements in the air that go on each day. Download an app called Flightradar24 and just see how many airplane move about each day.
How come we don’t be happy and grateful for all the hundreds of thousands of flights that go out each week without having an incident, but as soon as one aircraft crashes aviation becomes dangerous?
All the facetious reporters out there tryna scare the living heck out of you guys. ;) trust me...
Aviation is safe it’s just how you look at it
that buzzing-beep sound is the stuff of nightmares
r.i.p Andreas, he was the only one who had a horrible dead because he was conscious while the plane crashed.
6:58 “we will get someone in just a moment” not the words you want to hear on a doomed jet😢
right?, that made me kind of irritated. A possible emergency with hundreds on board..just a moment..hey play some hold music while you're at it man ..clearly have all day here 😡
Thirston Howell The Bird and Friends! but I'm sure maybe they had their reasons so I will stay in my place of judgement and expertise.. which is none, but what I can say for certain is rest in peace to all on board . period. sad story.
Yes, they act as if they complained about their electricity bill.
@@wavematrix by the time this "please hold" is not a thing anymore, many of us will be jobless because it has been replaced by a bots. Well, you know what? might as well the pilot is not needed bcs bots are created to be perfect while human have so many errors
Why would the incorrect configuration alarm sound be the same as the cabin pressure alarm sound? The alarm sounds for passenger safety should be unique so pilots know just from hearing the alarm where the problem is.
Especially since they are closed off for anti-hijacking measures. They need to KNOW.
You are right but that was technology then... and for me as a passenger and non pilot would have been baffled. Not supposed to have baffled the pilots. They should have known what the warnings are for or at least stop climbing and seek to return to the airport!
All alarm sounds are "for passenger safety". But the one indictaing oxygen that goes to the PILOT sure should be unique and unmistakable. Almost any problem can be overcome if you have a qualified pilot at the controls. But if you don't...
There was that second where the engineer told him, and everyone would have been ok. That one overlook cost everyone, its sad.
Sadly, at the point when the engineer asks about the pressurization switch, the captain is more than likely already suffering from the effects of hypoxia, which means it was already doomed.
@@pretzels713 true, these types of accidents are never from one single point its always a cascade of things that happen to occur. Luckily we keep getting safer and safer each year and youll get struck by lightning before you get killed in a plane crash odds wise.
Actually that was the fourth time the flight crew overlooked the problem. There is a reason you visually inspect the items on a checklist rather than just quickly checking them off, if they hadn't been 'going through the motions' and had done their job correctly they would have spotted the problem and fixed it before they had even left the gate.
When u have a lack of oxygen u cannot think properly
@@ginetterondeau1569 Exactly! Hypoxia's effect on the brain is rapid, you have around a minute to work out what the problem is before your cognitive abilities drop below the level required of critical thinking and reasoning and where you can no longer solve the problem.
Unfortunately it can also take you up to a minute just to come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with your air supply because it takes 20 seconds to first realise you are light-headed, then another twenty seconds to realise that it isn't nausea or anxiety you are feeling, this leaves you with just twenty seconds to carry out the correct procedure to solve the problem.
After a minute or so of hypoxia you start to become euphoric and so you no longer feel that you are in danger and might actually start to feel elated or safe as your brain exhausts the last of it's oxygen and tries to put you in a dream state. Hypoxia victims have been known to die giggling or smiling.
Two years after release of this one and and I still think it’s one of you best videos. ;) Thank you for the hard work!
Beautiful creation as always!!
RIP to everyone on board :(
Yes!!!
Train
If I were in one of those jets, this would've given me PTSD for the rest of my life. Especially seeing those passengers.
Gota do what you gota do.
I spoke to one of these F-16 pilots he was giving a presentation on this incident at a Fire Officer Conference in Dublin.
Did he have anything interesting to say about the crash?
@@MrSoccerball100 He gave a full presentation on the incident from the time he and I believe a second F-16, intercepted the fatal airline until it crashed.
Was the flight attendant conscious when it crashed? Wouldn’t lowering the plane make them all wake up right before the crash?
@@kellybell2770 I Don't know how skilled he was as a pilot or if he was still suffering the effects of Hypoxemia.
What did you specifically ask him?
I remember this event happening when I was a 9 years old at the time! It was a tragedy broadcasted on all channels nationwide and while watching this video I was thinking “is that the incident of back then when the plane crashed to the ground and broke into 3 big pieces?!”, until I saw the picture of the broken wing-tail and it hit me hard! It was that incident and I still remember the shoots and footages of it as if it happened yesterday!!! However it is today, 15 years later, that I learned what it really caused its crushing!
Thank you so much for making this video and RIP to everybody who lost their lives on this tragic flight!
After watching a few of these videos I don't think I want to fly again.
Look at traffic videos
Never have, never will. There’s no emergency lane in the Sky.
Batowner there’s no emergency lane in the sky.
Occurrences like these are very rare. Its safer to fly than the drive to the airport.
Might be safer to fly than drive, but at least in a car crash you have more chance of surviving, plus even if you die you don’t have a while of plummeting to the ground, being aware you’re going to die.
Sadly, this is a serie of events that led to the crash. Firstly, the ground engineer who should have left the switch on auto mode. Then pilot error of not being able to detect the error, additionally the miscommunication between the capitain and co-pilot.
Then you have Boeing, that has the same alarm for 2 totally different scenarios and finally hypoxia that was the real cause of this terrible crash.
Andreas is a real hero indeed.
May your souls rest in peace.
The fact that the alarm for two *completely different* scenarios actually makes use of the same alarm plausible
Still though, communication problems do worse than this :(
Such events are ALWAYS the sum of many smaller events, it never is just one thing that cause them. May God prevent as much bad moments as he can!
@@liubomirwm hes all controlling. That means he can control ALL and simply chooses not to. Gurss hes gotta have hia fun somehow eh?
The engineers are at fault. It was mostly due to Oxygen deprivation of the brain that the captain and co are entering in a state of confusion(judging from the captain's panicky conversation with atc) climbing above the altitude of 10, 000 would have already alerted the crew, but alas Hypoxia is already doing its work.
Onin Dynamics its still pilot error they overlooked the pressurization panel in the checklists
This shows how one quick 1 second look at something that you already assume is alright but you check on regardless can safe so many lifes.
Tragic, tragic, loss. This is just one of those accidents involving pilot error that should never have been allowed to happen. RIP to all those who lost their lives.
How can 2 pilots not notice the incorrect setting? Checking this should be part of the preflight checklist. Deep respect for Andreas who tried to save everybody.
This is so sad 😢 just imagine the only guy alive trying to keep the plane from crashing the terror he felt watching the plane go down
At least his death was quick and painless. We all die.
@@ajtwain dude...how can u be so.... wtf he died the worst way everyone could
This is the only plane accident that won’t leave my mind for some reason
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I agree
It should have never happened, those 121 people shouldn't have died that day.
The only crash that nerver leaves my head is the crash of JAL123. It is astonishing that they kept the plane airbone for such a long period of time.
Gustaf Abrahamsson
This channel have highlighted some remarkable stories of bravery on the part of pilots. Much respect given
funkpunkandroll
Yes JAL123 is another.
Everytime I watch the reenactment of one of these air disasters my heart breaks because at times it's one thing overlooked and an entire plane filled with people are gone. That's why it's so important to go through a checklist thoroughly and follow protocol each and every time.
That brave flight attendant, my god
Where's the bravery. He was trying to save his life
Konstantinos Mavropoulos Lopez still.
@@konstantinosmavropouloslop3188 You probably wouldve been shitting yourself in the back, what he did is brave as fuck no matter why he did it.
@@konstantinosmavropouloslop3188 no he was trying to land the plane while the gp was on him and everybody passed out
I wonder when if ever they'll be able to have an emergency team on the ground or in one of those jets that would remotely control the plane in situations like this.
Daze Sea 😮😮😮
It is physically impossible to do so
@@aidanhill5578 No, its not. Its just unfeasible.
They did it on 911
Fred Curtis 9/11 was done on the plane
Check lists; they're kinda important! Another great video!
Redundancy creates complacency. I'd argue that checklist redundancy caused this. Its not as simple as you think. The usual Monday morning QB'ing here with flight crashes
@@dsanalysis5013 I disagree. There's a reason there are checklists in place. The cause of this accident wasn't because of redundancy, it was oversight on the crew's part. Checklists are only as good as the people using them. You won't see this from a US carrier because checklists require the crew to agree and that makes it much harder to become complacent. The passenger aircraft industry is built on redundancy. To say that it creates complacency is kind of ridiculous. Sounds like you may not quite grasp the concept of crew resource management.
@Sooner Keith
Wonder if in Greece they are required to practice the sterile cockpit
and CRM protocol. Also since the O2 masks dropped why in the world didn't the flight attendants inform the captain or F.O.???
This really puzzles me.
@@watershed44 Great questions. With things the way they were in Greece when this occurred I have to wonder how the industry oversight was affected. I suspect they had the sterile cockpit rule in effect, however, there was a clear issue with their CRM. You have the exact same question I have about the lack of another crew member alerting the flight deck of the mask drop. Additionally, since there was at least one crew member with a portable oxygen system, I have to wonder why he didn't insert himself much sooner. Many unanswered questions I guess we'll never have answers for, however, the biggest issue was the lack of focus during their checklist work through.
@Sooner Keith
Yes especially since FA Andreas was a qualified commercial pilot too he had to know something was clearly wrong up front and that ascending after the masks came down was a bad thing. (DELETED COMMENT FOR SECURITY REASONS) I won't go into that any further, however I'm not sold on a locked cockpit door, it is a double edged sword really when you consider how rare hostile intrusions are.
Imagine being that flight attendant. Imagine how absolutely terrified he must have been upon the realization of what was taking place. Yet still had the courage to attempt to save the plane. Though he could not, that person is still a hero to me.
I remember this case vividly, being in greece. Andreas was engaged to one of the flight attendants. "In a tragic twist, Prodromou was on the doomed plane as a last-minute replacement and only agreed because his girlfriend Haris Charalambous was also working on the flight."
You’d think hearing an alarm passing thru 10K ft would automatically direct your attention to pressurization.
It's possible that by that time he was beginning to suffer from hypoxia (at least early stages) and wasn't thinking straight.
darrenmuso k
When flying gliders they taught me to watch my fingernails around 10k feet. If turning from pink to blue descend..
Ya judging from the captain's panicky conversation with atc it was mostly due to Oxygen deprivation of the brain that the captain and copilot are entering in a state of confusion. Hypoxia is already happening before they took off.
@@YukarisGearReviews No thats not true, when climbing at typical rate as they did, you keep complete conscious until 30 000 ft, and you reach that more then 13 minutes after this warning.
Actually, on every flight you have this pressure level, as this is the normal flight pressure level.
When I saw the video title I thought that the airplane had takeoff and kept flying by itself
That's exactly what I thought. Very misleading and it turned out to be such a sad story!
Technically speaking
Exactly that happened
Liz Sanders tf
i thought it would be like pan am 914
That's what happened in the crash of the Learjet which killed six, including pro-golfer Payne Stewart. The pilots didn't even have time to don their oxygen masks before they and the passengers were overcome by hypoxia (there was no warning) and the plane flew for 4 more hrs w/no one piloting before it crashed.
This happened to my flight to prague aswell but the pilots actually knew what they were doing and took us down to a stable air pressure and then did an emergency landing
This is the most negligent crash I've seen on your channel so far. All warnings aside, when the oxygen masks came down, you would think the crew would have notified them. In addition, they should have noticed the breathing difficulty and just began decent even if they couldn't figure the problem. Sometimes I wonder if some pilots get so used to everything being automated in commercial jets, that they actually loose experience the more they fly this type of plane.
Hypoxia can happen very quickly, especially in a plane that is ascending so sharply after takeoff. You become disoriented and can't think or take action. The fighter pilots saw the oxygen masks dangling, suggesting that everyone was already unconscious.
"This is the most negligent crash I've seen on your channel so far."
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Keep watching. There's far worse negligence on some of these videos than what you witnessed here.
Must have been horrifying to be a passenger. Just imagine the oxygens mask dropping, and you're just still climbing to a higher altitude. Horrific.
at least they all passed out before the crash. except the poor guy steward
@@flipnap2112 The coroner says on NatGeo "Air Crash Investigation" that many of the passengers are still alive when the planes crashes. They are in an "induced coma". The coroner found ashes in throat and lungs. Very sad.
@@josecarlossalgado8333 i thought they all died upon impact? didn't the report say there were no survivors?
@@flipnap2112 Yes all died on impact and were alive during the whole flight, just passed out.
When the first engine failed the aircraft descended to 7100 ft. How long was it from the time it crossed under 10000 ft till the moment of impact? Its quite possible that some people regained consciousness. That's absolutely horrible to think about.
Seems ridiculous in the age of computers that the pressurization system, a life and death system, cannot be made to come on by itself whenever the aircraft exceeds 10,000 feet regardless of the switch setting.
The A.I technology back then was more limited than what we have now. Computers back then where more mechanical and manual as opposed to digital and automatic. Today, we can set automatic air pressure override if it drops to a certain point.
What I would like to see, planes internet submit plane data since they can do that now, so the air control team knows right away what's happening.
It may seem logical to think that way, but you are only considering this 'system flaw' now when you saw this case. How many cases like this one you heard of before? Commercial airplanes are very complex machines, and introducing automation logic for each and every potential issue would make things safer on one side, but at one point it would start to make problems on the other (sooner or later). Computer should offer guidance, assist and enhance flying experience for both pilots and passengers, but pilot is the one who should be in control. And these pilots failed on so many levels...
100% Agreed. Its Terrifying What Happen Here!!
This plane was built in a time pretty much everything was manually activated.
To be safe, fly on major airlines only. Most regional airlines may not stick to directives from aircraft manufacturers or the FAA, and compromise on maintenance.
o hell i never bin in a plain before becausse every plain flight can go wrong and hell no i wanne end like that
The deadliest accident in history occurred when a KLM 747 hit a PAN AM 747 those don't sound like regionals
@Therapist Flim Flam
ATC contributed but the KLM pilot caused the crash even his F/E recognized the PAN AM jet wasn't clear. Los Rodeos was a regional airport that didn't handle 747s typically but technically if a 747 can land and takeoff safely an airport can "handle" a 747. Parking them was the bigger issue.
Major airlines cost 1000 or bettwr a coach flight. Who has that kinda money???
@Therapist Flim Flam the blessed
This should motivate anyone about to fly to spend at least 12 hours the week before, playing flight simulator, trying to pilot any and every commercial aircraft and playing with absolutely every control, you never know, one of the few conscious people might have been able to save this flight.
There is a video with the live recorded communications of the two HAF (Hellenic Air Firce) F-16 Greek fighter jet pilots who intercepted the Helios airplane. Is entirely in Greek.
The fighter pilots were extremely professional until they noticed that the plane was full of passengers and then they trying hard to gain their composure in order to report accurately the incident!
They were reporting the incident shouting as soon as the airplane was heading to crash!
You could feel their horror and anguish as they were watching all these people perish on the hillside! It was so vivid and traumatic!
I have watched this video. One of the F16 pilots is almost crying. It is painful to listen to.
can somebody give me the link
@@joysz6802 ua-cam.com/video/mBKokazW9Ms/v-deo.html
Ng7 tysm
they didnt know there was passengers
as sad as these crashes are, the silver lining is that we learn from them and make aviation that much safer
There is nothing to learn from two pilots don't doing their jobs, don't knowing what important warnings mean, don't checking checklists and likely ignoring cabin crew calling them.
Fact is we are learning at the cost of lives not money, which makes it disappointing...
Lion and Ethiopian crashes are the examples
@A Frustrated Gamer No, the goal is to prevent dump people from working on any machinery, and expecially from flying an airplane!!
Making the warning more obvious for the last 0,01 % of pilots mey be an additional way.
I hear ya but when crews and mechanics miss basic things it's just not acceptable.
Incredible stupidity from the flight crew. Competence and level of training have to be questioned
also incredibly irresponsible from the ground engineer in London who didn't set the switch back to auto after the test. Both share blame on this one. The pilots too.
@@dmstn Yeah, seems like there's no way he worked with the manual out and turned to the correct procedure, following it step-by-step as required by regulations. Both he and the pilots failed so completely it's crazy.
@@Prototyp3m1nd it really is crazy. all of this happened because of a switch. which 3 people failed to check its status. unbielievable
@@dmstn No not only because of a switch, not only because three people didn't checked it (repeatedly), but also because of blockheaded pilots that kept climbing with a master caution warning AND some other warning they both don't understand and because of not listening to the cabin crew.
LEVEL OF TESTING. Need minimum IQ
Most heart wrenching part is that the flight attendant knew he was going to die in spite of his efforts. A hero for trying. I truly wish he had been successful.
Why do airlines hire pilots and copilots that can't communicate with each other. I think this is extremely important to avoid something like this.Great video.
edgar vazquez They were in the grip of hypoxia.. You can't think or function very well, a bit worse than being extremely intoxicated.
It was cabin pressure loss which disabled oxygen. Without oxygen they couldn't function well and the brain stopped working. Read in entirety before being smart ass asshole.
Problem should have been caught on the ground.
@@nureenizati9422 Noooo no no no no. The first tree (!!) big mistakes they made was when they were on the ground before takeoff (ignoring checklists). Then the cabin pressure alarm goes off at 10 000 ft, at this altutude you have a clear mind, even when you go skiing in the mountains, you are at this altitude. They "missunderstood" this alarm, although this is a very serious alarm that is trained over and over often in a pilots career. Then at 18 000 ft they "didn't know what the master caution warning could mean" !!! Man, a master caution warning is the most important warning in a cockpit, you should take action imediately! And no, at 18 000 ft you have more than half an hour of useful conciousness, so no excuse of hypoxia!
They had more than 13 minutes from the first alarm on, and 8 minutes from the master caution warning on, where their brain was not affected by hypoxia, and they both didn't do what pocedures were telling them, didn't know what alarms mean, but were so blockheaded they kept climbing even further!
If you know a bit of aviation, its incredible how dumb they were.
The warning at 10,000 ft should have told them something since this is the min. altitude you would descend to in the event of a cabin pressurization event.
This channel is one of the best way of learning for pilots and trainees. However, it may have negative effect on passengers like me who may develop fear of flying.
Vinay Kumar Right? It doesn’t inspire you to want to fly anymore, eek.
I’m the opposite way, I binged watched these videos right before my first ever flight last year and now I love flying.
Can’t wait to do it again.
Luis Enrique Thats great! I typically love flying and I’m not scared at all; never think about these sorts of things. The only thing that makes me nervous are airports, because I’m an introvert, and my local airport is O’hare (one of the busiest in the USA). All of the people everywhere rushing and sometimes screaming, along with me trying to not miss my flight, make me uneasy. I try to conceal my nervousness as much as possible, but TSA (airport security here in the USA) has often stopped me to swab my hands like I’m transporting something I shouldn’t lol lol
Considering I’ve never been scared to actually fly, I’ll just not watch these videos before a flight cause I don’t want to develop that feeling all of a sudden..!
Overall I would say the admin is doing excellent work exceeding expectations consistently. We all should encourage him/her to keep it up.
Develop a fear? Develop?!?! I started with a fear of flying. This is just more icing on the wings.
This entire story could of had a different outcome if it weren’t for multiple people. 1 huge thing missed by a lot of people. Whenever I fly it makes me want to do my own walkout- and pre flight checklist as a passenger
They should have learned from all those other disasters to land the second something isn’t right, no matter how small the problem may seem!
Theoretically, I agree. Many disasters would be avoided if pilots were trained to abort because of any issue. But, if every little problem resulted in a detour, lots of time and money would be wasted. Many issues that arise can easily be fixed mid-flight, which saves both airliners and passengers from a lot of unnecessary trouble. (Many corporations, at high levels, also care less about the loss of life over the loss of money. But that's a whole 'nother thing entirely) So, while it'd be much safer to land during any problem, it's unfortunately a very disruptive thing to not only the economy, but peoples life's in general. I apologize for this really long ramble, (as I'm sure you're already aware of at least part of it) but I figured it'd be useful for others to see as well. Have a fantabulous day/night!
Not necessarily landing, but having standard procedure to return to 10,000 ft or below/stop climbing for this type of alert. Bottom line, though, is that this crew failed to follow checklists multiple times. One thing that's almost a given in the US, at least during warmer months, is a call over the intercom that AC won't be operational again until they pressurize before takeoff, and it not coming back up is something even most passengers would notice. Regardless, missing checklist items and not even giving thought to "We're about to fly a plane, we should probably have a pressurized cabin" shows that the entire flight crew was made up of arrogant space cadets. Policy only works when it's obeyed.
@@Prototyp3m1nd There IS indeed a standard procedure, always immediately return to 10 000 ft, if pressure loss or malfunction. Its that simple. But they not only ignored this, but few other crucial things too!
Thank you most very kindly for taking the time to share this very emotional event 🙏
It’s so sad when nobody survived😭❤️when something like this happens to airplanes is horrible
Huge respect for the flight attendant who tried to fly the plane. So sad every one died 😢
He, or one of the other flight attendants, should really had gone to the cockpit sooner tho🙄