I don’t agree. I always give 100% effort on the basketball court, just as one example. Opponents take notice, my team benefits every time, and after years of giving my all, I’ve turned my game into an art form. Bite on that
@@iamjyk11355 yeah but I'm sure a lot of that is you getting a flow state where your experience, training and natural talent allow your art to come out. Not that you don't have effort or exertion, but you get that Zazen kind of movement without thought type of thing
@@iamjyk11355 BULLSHIT!!! Curb your wannabe Allen Iverson. Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant (both who used the same personal trainer) were some of the hardest workers and competitors in the history of sports. Tim Grover (their trainer) describes in his book “Relentless” how they hated the grueling hard work at times but that they pushed through it year after year because they were ferociously competitive and cared more about the end result. I don’t care who you are you, you are not past Kobe and Jordan’s level, or Joe Rogan for that matter.
Damn man that’s deep. Straight up facts no cap Wil. Come on bro let’s go man first step the hardest not liking we haven’t heard that 100000 times before come on bruv
@@julien3238 tbh the hardest step is not the 1st step. For example lets say you are fat so inorder to loose weight you gotta get a mentality to loose weight nd get your diet right and workout. That be 1st step. Its so easy to plan to do and do it for 1 day thats step one then over time you feel shit after starving and working out so within 2 weeks 90% people give up so they did the 1st step but they didnt follow up
Falcon Giveaways well first of all think of all the bigger people in the world who haven't even taken the first step, plus he also said getting up and doing it every day, doesn't get easier it just has to be done
@@inhisservice8862 that's right, if a guy is short with tiny wrists, a tiny jaw and a giant nose, all he has to do is learn jiu-jitsu and take drugs and suddenly he'll be tall and attractive
They really need to get some finishing powder if they're going to have lights shining on them. It just takes a light translucent powder to get rid of that shine.
Rogan is clueless he's a rich celeb that's been married for years. He doesn't understand the current paradigms as it pertains to single men. Most men in the history of the world were not wealthy. We're just at a point now where all women expect a wealthy man due to feminism and a sense of self entitlement.
@@BurningUp99 Well what he was saying in the video is all men have a chance to do something. Men now days are really soft, these so called "incels" would not be seen that way if they learned discipline and actually worked for something. It has nothing to do with wealth. Its not how much you have, its what you do that matters.
@Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal not all infels are crazy shooters you idiot. That's like getting hurt by one women and saying all women are bad, flawed thinking
@@bullymaguire2061 I think it's only on the really shady comunities, by definition there are incels (guys who can't have sex) that don't wanna hurt anyone, they're just really shy or not very good looking
@@danieltobin4498 well he fought chronic depression for his whole life and still became a world famous academic that helps millions of people, withdrew from public life to fight a benzodiazepine addiction he acquired when the love of his life was diagnosed with terminal cancer, fought the addiction and won when most people never come out the other side of that... I think he’s doing pretty great tbh
Joe your so far from the truth that you might as well be dining at the devils table! Why so many people follow you just reminds me of how lost and out of touch this world is of true goodness and righteousness in God!
To be fair to Rogan, that's pretty easy to do considering Peterson only talks in word salad form. Jordan Peterson often disagrees with Jordan Peterson by agreeing with Jordan Peterson. Personally I like how even his own fans are fighting over if he bravely recovered from a benzoid addiction he developed because the love of his life was diagnosed with cancer OR if it wasn't really an addiction at all and it was only the side effects of the drugs he was taking that forced him into that Russian coma.
@@solrinin I'm sure most of his fans simply watched Jordan's interview regarding that issue and learned the truth directly from the guy. He was addicted to that medication since he needed something to deal with his wife battling cancer, got addicted. Nobody knew how to help him after he checked himself for rehab so he went looking for help in Russia and got better. That's basically the gist of it
@@solrinin Peterson Isnt word salad, someone like Michael Eric Dyson is word salad. Peterson actually has pretty firm convictions on most of what he talks about, when he is ambiguous - which is almost exclusively when he talks about his personal view on religion, he hardly ever contradicts himself, he doesn’t really seem to make a point at all, which one could argue is worse, but thats up for debate.
"Becoming a man" also means not putting up with lies and bad treatment anymore. I was physically and socially awkward coming up through school, and as a result my major interaction with girls was a series of _Carrie_ style practical jokes at my expense. The real problem, as I see it, wasn't that there were evil bitches, because there will always be evil bitches. The problem was I bowed my head and took it. Being a man doesn't mean believing I deserve the perfect Disney ending, or that everything is going to go my way, or that everyone is going to tell me the truth. It means understanding the goal _isn't_ "getting a woman." If that were all, there are bars in my town. Statistically speaking, there are bar skanks there. It's not that hard. I've been sexually harassed half a dozen times, I could have just said yes if the only goal was to have a woman pay attention to me. No. The goal is self-respect, in whatever form that takes. The goal is having the discernment to detect a no-win scenario and the discipline not to walk into it. Becoming attractive doesn't mean evil bitches leave you alone. In fact, the evil ones will abuse an attractive man in more ways than they will an ugly man. Being attractive only means quality women might also be interested. I've done martial arts and weightlifting. They do NOT cure the hopelessness that comes from only ever having been treated badly. If you start lifting, doing ju jitsu, and getting out of the house, only to accept an emotionally abusive slag who cheats on you because you were too desperate and myopic to see that ANY attention isn't the same as GOOD attention, you're still losing.
Yea great points. It’s about creating the reality for yourself that YOU want. For most of us, that won’t involve jumping into bed with every women we can get, regardless of how hot they are
this should have more likes because joe rogan forgets men are still people and people have deep rooted issues if they have trouble in handling themselves into the real world. That can be abuse in their childhood,etc. And the incel topic i think it depends. No one gets something willingly by just demanding, same goes that you can't buy love or affection, maybe you can fake it, but not the genuine affection of a woman and the willingness to be with you. And that's the bias with Incels; same as some women who work themselves to fix their internal issues through therapy so they can be emotionally reliable same needs to happen with men. That mentality of "be a man" in taking all the problems in doesn't help when it comes to be a reliable man to the people around you. That's why you see so many men coping with substances. Its very easy to say " put yourself together" when they don't have guidance. It's not the job of a woman to fix a man, but instead, each individual should strive to help themselves so they can help others. Without that we end up just wrapped up into a self absorb bubble thinking the world ows us something.
An open mind is not good always in any case. Joe is totally sure about what he is saying regarding this issue, and I agree with him. If you are feeeling bad, inferior, and waisting your time and emotional energy... you shouldn't have an open mind about it, you should do what it takes to get better. You need determinationo, the opposite of an open mind. A very difficult thing to have though. And Joe knows what it takes to get better, and I agree with him 100%. I know your mind will tell you "oh my situation is differente, it's not so simple, etc." I experienced the same. We all have experienced the same. The truth is that Joe is being very very on point in describing what it takes to feel better. Don't confusea narrow mind with determination, they are very different things . And determination is very much needed in life.
“It doesn’t get easier” We need to be told that more. Not as way to put us down and discourage us but to tell us the truth. Because damn that puts things into perspective.
So mind as well start building something now so you're not at the bottom when the "tidal wave" of life comes at you. Sure you can always stay at the bottom, never lose anything because you never built anything. But is that really what we want to think of ourselves during the last moments of our lives? Where is the will, the thirst of life, in men, to experience the most out of life? JR simplifies things to the point it sounds radical to most men but that just tells the state of their minds. If it really sounds so scary to just get off your ass and do something, anything to get pride out of, aren't they just kicking themselves down. The only acceptable thing keeping men down should be a clinical mental disease or if they're physically handicapped. What is your opinion of this?
@@jagerbomb What about the systemic deprivation of sources of meaning and the opportunity to obtain them? Such as, you know, the present state of the first world?
Thats the truth . It wont get any easier for both sexes to be honest but, Incels need encouragement not to be treated as monsters . This is a group of men that didn't learn some social issues that most people take for granted. Their experiences are normal but they've accepted the wrong viewpoint. Again I wish their were "real men" who would treat incels with respect and extend a hand to them rather than kick them while their down.
It's hilariously easy to tell people "it won't get easier" or "man up". Easy to look at successful people and say "if they can do it, so can you, doesn't matter what the circumstances are". Then turn a blind eye when they kill themselves because they've given in to despair that other people helped to reinforce. But even this ends up being justified with lines like "I were only trying to help", "they were just too weak", or the good old classic "they weren't real men". Stigmatize the incels, brand them as useless/deficient/alt right nazis or whatever the popular catchphrase of the day is, and if they decide to kill themselves, ridicule them because suicide is a cardinal sin to society. How dare they not put up with living a miserable life. Unthinkable. Even alcoholics and drug addicts are better than the terminally depressed. Then there are the people that "man up" in the worst way and turn to violence, they find that confidence holy grail Joe sent them on a search for, except it's so extreme that he disavows them instantly. But the media isn't concerned with why people become extremists, or whether it's gradual or sudden. They just want someone to use as a talking point, and misery loves company. Easier to talk about incels if they're all sociopathic murderers or useless subhumans, humanizing them would take too much effort. When the mass media just repeats the same rhetoric of "man up", "it's your responsibility to step up", "stop complaining and just put up with it", "you're a man aren't you?" day in day out, they have to eventually realize that to a group who considers themselves disenfranchised and disillusioned, these words only sound hollow and if anything, they come off as scornful - like nothing they've done matters, their lives don't matter, and it's their fault that they aren't as successful as Joe Rogan here. Everytime Joe touches on this topic it's inevitably the same thing "man up", "I did it, why don't you", "just do it". He might as well be a commercial for steroid doping at this point. The optics aren't good. So how many suicides does it take for people to actually give a shit? Does it have to be somebody personal? Or is everyone truly convinced that ambiguous wisdom and empty promises of some "green pasture of appreciation" will convert this group of individuals? That one day, like casting a magic spell "man up" will make these people overnight successes? At this point there might as well be a war so these people can have a purpose. At least if they go off and die for a purpose, they'll have something in common with their incel predecessors decades and centuries back.
Man, I really needed to hear this. My woman left, and I lost my job. Both recently. Started delving back into substances again and self pity. Fuck all that. Gotta get up and move. Move or die. Edit: If you told me I’d find my balls again thanks to the help from a bunch of dudes in a YT comment section I’d call you fucking crazy. I took the advice on hitting the gym. I dove into it. Lost 21 pounds, gained some muscle, some serotonin and some confidence. The confidence was major. In a month I’ve gotten a promotion, a raise, made a couple new friends and started chatting with the smoking hot girl covered in tattoos at the gym. I appreciate the advice and the kind words immensely. 🙌🏻
Dude, man to man......don't let her destroy your life. It hurts dude but don't let it consume you. There's no solutions at the bottom of a bottle. Up until Nov 2019 I had a really bad dependency problem with booze, and my drinking really got dangerous after my divorce. What i had to do was address my issues with my mental well being, once I did that it made sobering up a breeze One thing you could do, the moment a horrible/depressing thought comes to mind, just drop and do 10 push ups. Repeat that process throughout the day. If 10 isn't enough aim for 15 or 20. It'll help distract you from what's going on while at the same time redirecting your negative energy You can do this brotha
From one Grant to another, you've got the support of me and other guys like me, the guys that have been through the same shit. But you're absolutely right you gotta pick yourself up and constantly move forward and the only one that can do that for you is you. You got this man.
No all of you are wrong. His message is: It’s your responsibility to turn your life into one worth suffering through. To let go of the idea that the suffer you’ve lived through is to blame for what you lack, but instead something like a weight you can bear honourably on your pursuit towards a more meaningful life. And that even though life is hard, we are way harder. It drives me crazy to see people can’t recognise that what this man is saying is the shit most people needed to hear their *entire fucking life* all because they think his popularity is just some bandwagon people are hopping on for funsies.
@@rayzell9010 You’re wrong lol, responsibility is one of the most non “lame” things to have. Maybe YOU don’t want to have it but when you do and you handle it it shows strength and value, that’s his message, not something rigid like going to church.
Hey man I'm an incel if you normies want to send us DMT we're all for it. It will send us mentally away from this universe which is what we want. Heck a lot of us are already using shrooms and lsd. Ship away normies!
Jiu jitsu has one of the highest rates of incels from all martial arts. Better choose any other MMA related martial arts like wrestling, boxing or muay thai.
I get what he's saying but he's basically saying what we've all heard before; "Well just work harder." Like can't you admit that standards for both sexes are needlessly high right now? Can't you just admit that people are shallow as fuck and will only date you because you're rich?
No because that would mean I didn't get to where I'm at with hard work, or that my wife/girlfriend isn't interested in me for who I am, but infact my money and good looks, and that makes me very uncomfortable.
I'd like it just once, just once, that people would approuch this subject without contempt or using it to elevate themselves. All Rogan said was the same tough love "toughen up buttercup" BS that these young men have heard a thousand times over and over. Its not helping.
is jordan peterson helping? apparently his way to solve the problem is by introducing a thing to society called marriage and making it the social norm. the giant audience of incels clapping him for this have failed to notice marriage already exists, its already the social norm and theyre still incels. but they paid their money to go see this fraud so they keep clapping.
@@necaacen atleast its more productive then saying "fuck you twerp, I got mine now you have to scavange for yours" mentality I keep seeing in guys Like Rogan and Jock Willink. Tough love isn't love, its just tough. Its an escape hatch for when the kid blows his brains out you can say "atleast I helped" and walk away from the situation. Theres an epidemic of mental health issues in young men right now and the most you can muster up from people is sneering hatred. We've abandoned these young men because its nearly impossible for us as a species to sympathize with them because men see them as competition and women see them as beneath them. Hell, it was hard for me to initially sympathize with them until I started to listen to them. Giving advice like "just lift bro" or "learn BJJ" and shit like that isn't helping.
@@dugonman8360 well the 'i got mine' attitude is a core right wing political belief. being compassionate and helping vulnerable people = left wing socialism. dog eat dog, every man for themselves = right wing capitalism. jordan peterson preaches absolute hate for left wing socialism at every turn. youre pointing out a vulnerable group who are being trodden under the foot of society. look at the history of people who have actually stood up for vulnerable groups and made real changes, for black people, gay ppl, women, transgender, immigrants, the working class... the whole way its been the left wing who have promoted the idea of compassionately holding out a hand to the downtrodden and helping them up, and they have succeeded in genuinely helping these groups. these men ur talking about reject the left. womens rights activists find solidarity with gay rights activists, with workers rights activists. these men dont find solidarity, they reject the left and actively fight against the groups who look out for vulnerable people while attaching themselves to the right wing, who do nothing to help people because helping others is inherently against current right wing ideals which are based around sociopathic selfishness. why do they attach themselves to the right? whos selling them these ideas? people like jordan peterson and dave rubin. while the left is teaching people fighting for black rights to find common cause and support people fighting for lgbt rights, building love and support across communities, these men are being taught to hate feminists, hate blm, hate trans people... all by an alt right cult of fascist leaning bigots. and then they wonder why theyre alone and no ones looking out for them?
@@necaacen 1. Why didn't I see this until now, a month afterwards? 2. Blah, blah, blah, blather, blather, blather. Of course you bring up politics when no one else brought it up, into the lefts eternal infantile "we're the good guys" mental state. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so boring. How, pray tell, would you help them? Hmm? Would you tell them to "be confident" or "take a shower"? What advice or help would you give these people that you and your ilk have made very clear you despise with all your fiber of your being? You have turned a term that that, frankly, should make someone feel utterly sad and concerned into your version of the word cuck. You guy dont help anyone, you just weaponize them to go against your enemies. Its always "the white capitalist patriarchy" whos the enemy and the panacea for all the worlds ills is "multicultural socialist matriarchy". You appropriate others acheivements for as your own, the originator of the 'I made this' meme. Also, if you think Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson is rightwing then you have drank so much of the cool-aid that I'm shocked you're not diabetic yet. You are a member of a cult and you've been brainwashed by a grand narratice by snakeoil salesmen.
@@dugonman8360 joe rogan isnt right wing, jordan peterson is very much right wing, he intensely campaigns against socialism and the left, thats why when you bring up the "fuck you twerp, I got mine now you have to scavange for yours mentality" i mention that this is the core ideal of the political doctrine that jordan peterson promotes. he doesnt personally promote "I got mine.." but then thats part of the grifting contradiction that is peterson, because he attacks socialism and left wing politics at every turn and defends/promotes the right, for who "I got mine" is literally the foundation of their belief. the weaponization of groups against the enemy is a right wing thing, always has been. the right stir hatred for immigrants, ethnic minorities, gay people, tans, feminists. identity politics is a right wing invention, they use divide and conquer to turn working class people against each other which distracts from the reality that right wing politics economic theory is all about protecting the rights of rich people to exploit poor people. theres no way you get the 99% to vote for an economic theory that shits on them in favour of the 1% so you talk about building walls to keep the dark people out, putting the jews in camps etc. the reason the left campaign for rights of various groups to identify in certain ways is because right wing people are often racist, sexist, homophobic people whos prejudices have been weaponised by right wing political grifters using identity politics and that creates injustice in society. the left defends against injustice and in doing so gets dragged into the rights identity based hate politics. the only people the left despise are hateful bigots. left thinkers like karl marx invented his theories as a way to end economic slavery imposed on people by the 1%. hes not concerned with their identity, hes concerned with economic power and that necessitates identifying those with economic power and those without, but hes not concerned with people and their identity his focus is economics. if you look at his right wing equiv in say hitler... its all about identity, he imprisons and kills gay people, communists, brown people, jewish people... hes picking out race, sexual preference, political beliefs, religions, thats his focus, thats his concern, identity, dividing people into groups and then attacking the minorities to paint an enemy in a game of divide and conquer in order to manipulate society into doing his will. im not the one whos part of a brainwashed cult m8.
i dont know about you. but no matter what i do or think about, tits are never far from the forefront of my mind. its kind of persistent. almost like an inborn instinct. its not their validation though, only i can validate myself
Stryker A. Wolfe isn't MGTOW full of people who obsessively hate women and bitch about them too? Last time I gave a look to the subreddit it seemed like most of the posts were about "women just want muh money and are evil cunts". I really can't get around to understanding them but I think the initial idea for MGTOW is fuckin fine. Stop being so concerned with what women think about you and do what just makes you happy and learn to sustain yourself. But it's seemingly just become a women hate group at this point that just validates feminazis
"The hardest weight to lift is the first one." 6 years later, had to learn to walk again after being in a wheelchair. Fiance at the time assumed I'd never walk again, left me for my best friend, lost a career I had spent over a decade building. All I said to myself "challenge accepted". 6 years later, im happily single and have traveled non stop with mt service doggo, had sex on 6 continents, 5 if youre an intellectual, 1 if youre a historian. So happy to have put in that hard work. Work is NEVER done. If you arnt thinking of your next task during your current task, youre wasting valuable time. Start at your goal and work your way backwards until you say "but I've already passed that" then thats where your new work begins. Take pride and enjoy how hard life is, the difficulties truly make you appreciate the success.
I feel like a lot of pre-incels might start out by seeing themselves as pretty normal human beings who recognize women as normal human beings as well. They think being in a relationship and having sex feels great, and they know that sooo many women out there feel the same way. Because they know this, they expect getting in a relationship simply by being themselves and doing what they usually do. The problem is that obtaining and maintaining a relationship actually takes a lot of active effort, and tons of luck. Since these guys don't recognize that over time, they become filled with bitterness and resentment, not understanding what it is that they're doing wrong. They start by turning their hatred inwards, but that doesn't really bear fruit in the long term, so they consciously or sub-consciously find a way to release that energy. Cue Incel forums. At these forums they can read long essays written by men in similar situations, and they can confirm their insecurities and feed their self-hatred. Their loneliness can be caused by a number of reasons, but by visiting these forums they gradually start directing their hatred towards feminism, alpha males, bro-culture, women or society in general. It finally boils down into blaming the universe for burdening them with such "evolutionary inferior" body traits. How can we get these people out of this rut? I really don't feel like saying "Just shape up! Do it! Work! Obtain your goals" is going to work for people like this because they either feel like they HAVE tried doing all these things with no success, or they don't have any clear goals or incentive to work towards. They feel like they just sort of exist and suffer. Strange really.
Damn that's like Jordan Peterson levels of psychological intellect right there What are you doing in the UA-cam comments I feel like you have the solutions to many problems now.
If you look at the psychologist Carl Rogers and his theory of the real self and the ideal self you see how people actively look for confirmation of how they see themselves. It's also known as cognitive bias which shuts out most information invalidating your point of view and actively seeks out things that enforce it. It's a human instinct, one that sadly gets enforced by the internet as you pointed out. What incels don't realize is that life is fucking hard and every minute you spend on not improving it, but doing self-destructive shit, you're falling behind your peers. It' like they can't see how most try their best to life their best lives and work hard for it on a daily basis. These incels in the meanwhile are used to npc monsters that level with their character, they never learned what "hard" actually means. Or they praise themselves at being good at Dark Souls, not realizing that it's easy because you can replay every single situation an infinite amount of times. They don't realize that guess what, finding somebody that you're physically attracted to and shares compatible humor, goals, sexual interests etc. is 100 times harder! So step out of their basements every blue moon, fail and see their bias confirmed. But of course it's not them, it's their genetics as well as eeeeverybody else.
@@couchpotatoe91 It takes a lot of trial and error to even realize that positive change is possible. I think it is very understandable that people blame external factors that they have no control over because it beats having to actually confront their own shortcomings and go through the painful process of change. I think the npc-analogy is very interesting! If a majority of your experienced accomplishments stems from video games, of course you're going to start expecting the same types of results from real life. I wonder if video game-oriented thinking can be utilized as an method of positive change, or if it is best to just abstain from it as much as possible.
Im an incel, by definition because im involuntarily celibate and single. I don't blame women or society or anything like that, i don't complain on some dumb website or subreddit. Im an incel for many reasons, my parents split and i was abused for years by my alchoholic dad and i switched schools from moving alot. I built relationships at school early but everytime i moved i lost all my friends, later on the abuse affected me so much that when i moved schools again i was too anxious to talk to people and make friends again. I became a loner due to social anxiety that only started because of being beaten. I lost trust in people because i couldn't even trust my own parents. I moved again and again city to city until my dad went to jail, i never got the chance to build relationships or learn social skills i just became quiet and and severely anxious. Nothing changed because I never stayed in the same school for long i was like a drifter😂 ive never had a girlfriend, im a virgin i dont blame anybody but my abusive dad. I dont blame society or women or anything like that. The closest thing to blaming society i feel is just wishing that in the future our society does better at preventing childhood abuse by parents that are absolute monsters. When i say abuse i mean like real abuse. I wish people would consider that incels are not just losers to blame for their own problems they are human beings and many of them have pasts that you couldn't imagine. They are mentally ill in most cases. Instead of blaming incels maybe we could analyze what is causing the issue. Many incels are a lost cause we should try to prevent the future creation of them. We need to find a way to reduce childhood abuse. No child should have to worry about being beaten everyday or any other form of abuse especially by their own parents.
I know it might be hard with the pandemic and it might seem stupid but try hitting the gym. Even when signing up, maybe let the trainer signing you up know just enough of your struggles. Like you have some social anxiety. You got an ally right away then, and it’ll help you feel more confident and it’ll start to leak into other aspects of your life. Rooting for you my man.
You’ll never reduce child abuse, never in a million years, it’s down the the individual and if he is an abuser he will always be one, need to stop focusing on what causing the problems and focus on how to treat the victim him/herself, how they can improve, it sounds like your too deep in your past and relying on a potential partner to solve it, Only you can do that, you’re a different person when you’re fixed, believe me. you may not even like that partner by time you’re healed, and she may not even like you after it, and then your back to square 1 does gym turn down abused people? do hobbies? do skills or talents? you’re not an incel, you just haven’t even started your future yet, this world won’t help you with anything, so get to it. the only thing that can make you an incel is you There are abused people who have made it so forget about all that, or don’t and stay in incel limbo forever, if that’s what makes you feel more comfortable
@@agent-eg8mb This isn’t your “fate” gotta learn to read in between the lines buddy, cause chad speaking facts. I know that is true because I’m in a similar situation you’re in.
Hey agent47, first I think your life has been a very tough one till now. I cant even imagine how it would be like to be abused from alcoholic parents and get cut off every friend I made due to constant moving. These are hard burdons. Its good that youre past blaming society for your „fare“. But now comes the hard thing: I think its gonna be very difficuilt for you if you don‘t forgive your parents ( just for you, not for them ) so that you not let these issues controll your future. I can totally understand that you dont want to do this and its not something, you can do instantly. Its something, that might happen on your way of getting controll of your own life. I think its worth a try to say that YOU are responsible for your future. Doing so you will carry those burdons and you feel strong about it. you can start with definining attainable goals you want to achive in your life. Gym might also help, because you can meet people, get physically and mentally stronger etc. Also consider therapy if you have the feeling that you need professional help to overcome your situation. Its not a shame or anything line that, it just shows that you take responsibility for yourself. I wish you all the best my friend! And i’m convinced youll do it. If you like, you can comment how your situation envolved over time. Would be interesting to me. J
Monumental facts. He didn’t grow up in this time. He’s got no clue. It’s like a privileged westerner trying to explain to a poor third worlder how to get rich
I think Dayal is talking about the plight of the new man in a world of endless digital escapes and hamster wheels. Video games especially a lot of the new ones are just hamster wheels
To me 2:50 - 3:37 is very important for men who aren't successful yet to hear. Damm "Discipline equals freedom" three words that instantly blew my mind. You know what the problem is ? Most boys and girls were forced to practice discipline from elementary sch and we seem to be quite good at it. But for some who do it because of fear of their teachers , parents or punishments think of discipline as their enemy instead of their ally until it's too late they discard this crucial skill because it has hurt them for so long.
Rogan and Peterson are actually on the same page. Peterson just didn't use the best phrasing and it caused a perceived disagreement. He has always been an advocate for self improvement and individual responsibility.
peterson doesnt have a page, hes just a vacuum of meaning. he says the way to stop the incel problem is forced monogamy. when challenged on how awful that is as a concept he says well, i just meant marriage... ok to the problem of incels, according to jordan, is going to be fixed by introducing this thing to society called marriage. the problem is we already have marriage, its already the social norm, and we still have incels. so what is peterson actually saying? hes saying nothing, words are coming out of his pathetic grifting mouth and people who are not that smart are lapping them up and actually, theres nothing there. he says nothing, he has no points, hes a complete intellectual vacuum that sells books and live shows that fund his lifestyle.
Van Tazz and who the fuck cares about Incels shitty and self contradicting philosophies? Incels are sore ass losers nobody should feel sorry for them because that’s what they want... they live with a victim mentality over 60% of all Incels Don’t work.. can’t work with anyone they’re shitty people
LMAO. That's not true. I'm a 5'7 nerdy motherfucker and I do alright 😂 I even did okay when I was broke. Women like confidence. They also like excitement. In a way you have to be their entertainer. Personally I chilled on the dating these days because I'm focusing on chasing my dreams, but if I wanted to start dating again, I know I can jump back in pretty easily. Anyone can really. Go to the store. I've seen some ugly fat dudes with girlfriends.
Being negative, emotional, insecure and blaming women with passion is a major turn off, who wants this? Just inverse the situation, are you attracted to a woman who blames men and complains all the time about her situation and what a victim she is?
@Giant Dude You assume that women aren't going to notice your intent regardless. Women aren't NPCs, they see when you just want in their pants and they smell desperation like a dog smells fear. Nobody wants somebody with no standards, so 'lower your standards' is just about the shittiest advice ever. Instead you should become someone who is proud enough and has enough self-esteem to have standards in the first place. And no, self-esteem usually doesn't from having sex, there is many, much more important things in life. If you realize that, you've taken the first step towards a better self that's more respectful to you and people in your vicinity.
Well obviously they didn't start out with this mindset, it's also a misconception that they all hate women, There are those amoung them that do approach multiple women (not on some rant but actual cought ship stuff) and have no gripes about conversing with them but they also realise because of their repulsiveness any attempt after a cetain point become futile What's the point of being a strong confident bachelor if your face looks like it's been run through a floor buff, genes don't always mix Okay for a lot of them that isn't the case but, online dating, social media and modern vanity, have made it much more difficult, and what should be average men, are seen as less because of it
@@omanovicdino3017 nice misquotation/strawman argument. I said they smelled desperation like a dog smells fear. I'm not 100% sure about the latter, but I know about the former because it's an ability every human has. Desperation and neediness go hand in hand with a need for validation in this case. This can be expressed via behaviors like constant putting oneself down for hope of validation from the person you're talking to. This can be exhausting with friends, but people do it because they care about the other person. People who are already lonely and have this big need to fill a void will constantly try too hard. This comes off as super desperate. My "they smell fear" was a figure of speech. What I meant was that people (in this case women) can tell through interaction when somebody is trying to proof himself as a partner and acts artificially instead of being their honest self. Women generally prefer the latter though as they want to see how somebody is during a long-term relationship. And they want somebody who has standards and wouldn't settle for anybody because they feel valuable that way.
After thinking it through, im going to have to agree with Jordan. Yea these guys need to become Attractive, but if society isnt encouraging monogamous behaviour (Which it is, just less than a few years ago) theres no motivation for these lesser attractive guys to go out there and make themselves attractive or confident
lmaooo I agreed with jordan peterson from the start. Even if we encourage men to work their ass off and improve the issue is by the time those men are good candidates for women they have been pumped and dumped by millions of chads and tyrones and have become undatable. Enforcing monogamy is the solution to the current western dating problem. There's no other solution. That doesn't mean women can't choose though. Pick a guy and stick to him b*tch
@@A.S._Trunks has to do with males knowing with certainty the offspring is theres. If a guy sleeps with a nonpromiscuous virgin he would be more certain the offspring is his. Even in the animal kingdom paternity is important to the extent many animals will actually murder offspring when they cant ensure paternity. A woman can always be certain the child is hers.
With the former, he was referring to the fact that it doesn't get any easier in the long run to start difficult tasks. With the latter, he was stating that the hardest thing about starting a particular task is the very act of starting. Highly related but two different things, there's no contradiction there.
I can relate to Joe trying to maintain a consistent workout routine, to be persistent you do just have to do it no matter what until it just comes your routine.
I did martial arts as a kid, I got bullied like shit for it! But, It paid off in later life. Self control, self awareness, alertness and the willingness to risk failure... Done me well in life. Would recommend it to anyone, especially youngsters.
☝🏻 this dude nailed it. Folks ya gotta embrace the suckiness of life and do your best to make your life and the lives of those around you just a little bit less sucky.
@ClandestineOstrich people are simply not realistic and have like you said unhealthy outlook on life. this is currently because of our audacity to think we deserve something especially a human being like its a property. this is especially evident with women today hence a nightmarish scene. people settle because they assume society will take care of them if they do what society tells them to. but society doesnt anymore yet it still perpetuates this script. most people are either out of touch with reality of things or simply dont want to admit this fact due to their personal inadequacies be it insecurity or anything else. time to get real as they say.
I work with loads of thirty something lonely "shagged out" single women who didn't settle because they thought they were "too good" for the guys they knew and waited on marriage until they passed their expiration date. They are the most lonely pathetic individuals. Sometimes settling can bring some measure of happiness.
What would forced marriage do for them? It would make them feel even worse. They’d be sleeping on the couch while their wife gets thrashed by the neighbor in the bedroom
Anyone who wants to experience 1950s-style culturally enforced monogamy can move to China, Korea, or Japan, where husbands and wives aspire to live sham marriages, constantly cheating on each other at love hotels and such. The USA has moved past that.
You cannot make people become something they are not. I am successful. I am extremely intelligent. I am highly unattractive to women. I have not been involved in any way with a woman since 1995. So I have been incel for 25 years. I personally stopped trying to get to know women because the value of the win is not commensurate with the cost of the effort. Essentially, I have to expend a great deal of effort and money pretending to be someone I am not in order to make myself even slightly attractive to someone who likely cannot comprehend who I am. Stop bothering incels. We do not need or want solutions to what average people consider to be our problems. Perhaps we just like things the way they are. Like any other subculture, we are a spectrum of ideas and personalities. We are not all the same.
He isn’t going to look the same if he does that Stop being an entitled prick I don’t want to fight you it’s good advice yo stop Posting comments with immature words like chad what are you an 8th grader?
He was a garbage truck who had a flair for negotiating and making projects happen. That’s how his company valued him so much they covered for him paying hush money in the millions to his most vocal victims for years. He knew he had that leverage from the industry and used it to pressure all types of actresses. Being the best at your job makes you attractive, he had to be a greedy pig.
Labelling people by words like “incel” won’t fix the problem it will just make it worse , everyone has different issues and everyone doesn’t think the same way
They call themselves that. It's not name calling. They are "involuntarily" celibate. But I think it's voluntary if you won't make changes. And Joe is right. Marriage won't fix these guys, even if they somehow get a good woman. And, yes, they are individuals, but there is a common thread. A lot of those guys think too highly of their intelligence, and they are lazy. Trust me. I know.
No one is saying that marriage fixes everything, but one has to also sit and think through the consequences of devaluing emotional intimacy in sexual relationships. Thats what jordan is talking about: what happens when no one needs to learn to emotionally connect with a sexual partner anymore.
it's still a far cry from feeling an emotional connection with someone you're fucking and taking on an extreme burden of responsibility like marriage, that can't be easily backed out of
FromThe3021 Marriage is incredibly stupid, it screams "I AM BETA". There is no gain in it and you put yourself at the mercy of the woman and the government. Never marry as a rule of thumb. The rest is okay, but I would focus on more important things, like growing up. Not mentally, literally. Stop being 160cm tall, be 2m tall instead. Everyone will highly respect you for that simple thing alone.
Look at the divorce rates and you'll understand. Marrige in these days became something other than two people getting together and starting a family. It is nothing more than a financial contract today and that's why nobody wants to marry anymore and those who do immediately regrets it afterwards.
THIS absolutely this, so many young men don't understand themselves and the actual issues they have. The scariest of them just blame women. So whether its martial arts, losing weight, learning new skills, whatever. You have to learn more about yourself, and find out what you can do. The worst part, is for all these guys that think having a hot gf will fix them, it won't. They would still feel insecure.
@@demgphix Anything I tell you will result in me sounding like I'm pitying myself. Regardless, I haven't been happy in a very long time, and I've wasted my youth. I'm just working up the nerve at this point.
@@smoqueed44 I am very sorry to hear that, I don't know what you've been through, or how old you are. But I will say, youth is a great part of life, its not the only part though. Before taking the out, why not go all in and change what js wrong, or missing from your life? If you have nothing to lose, then you have no reason not to.
Man listening to some of these incels is just sad A lot of them are broken And a lot of them are so far gone that they are just psychopaths I don't know what to say anymore man
I sincerely wish that I only had a motivation problem. I've spent the last 20 years with non-stop, relentless, unavoidable nerve pain in my leg. No amount of willpower will let me do the things I want. Those if you that are healthy but just can't find the willpower to do what you want, be thankful that you can and go do it!
i just came here to read the winy comments made by people who will not take responsibility for their lives while hypocritically telling fat people (correctly) to take responsibility
I love hearing Joe say "It doesn't get easier". It's so right and it's so discouraging when you keep expecting something to get easier and hope that you're gonna start going on autopilot cleaning the dishes, working out, doing the laundry etc when it's just as boring/hard everytime. At least when someone tells you it doesnt get easier you know what to expect.
@@1999studios What does this mean? Incels don't like hearing motivational speeches so they leave, or they need to hear it so they grow out of being an incel?
Joe you been blessed with a great life through hard work and discipline. Shit has more than worked out for you. It just ain't that way for everyone and life kicks your ass over and over. You come across a lil condescending towards guy's who just can't seem to get any good fortune. He'll lately I been struggling. I've lost a lot and it is hard to overcome some of the loss mentally. I'm trying even though I feel like shit keeps getting worse that the day before.
hes not worked that hard. he was a stand up, he presented a show, he calls on fights and he talks to people on a podcast. hes had an easy life, everything he does in his life are things other people would do for a hobby if you gave them a billion dollars and said hey, you never have to work again, go enjoy yourself. single mums who work 2 jobs 60 hours a week 51 weeks a year for 15 years straight to keep a roof over their kids heads work hard, joe likes to talk the talk but his life has been a casual hobby trek on easy mode.
@@nerkfumgogi798 you wanna hear a joke? thinking standing on stage for half an hour at night and telling some jokes is hard work. they put a net around the bottom of the buildings where they work making iphones in china to catch people who jump off the roof trying to kill themselves because they basically work in modern slavery doing horrific hours in a truly awful job getting paid virtually nothing. you wanna go tell those guys a man who is a multimillionaire from standing on stage and telling jokes for about an hour a week has a hard job? you want to tell people leaving their house at 6am on a winter morning to go do an 11 hour shift of manual labour out doors on a building site that a comedian who will get out of bed hung over at mid day and smoke a joint while he he tries to put together a story about how his friend shit his pants on a school trip to tell on stage that weekend has a really hard job? grow up m8.
@@necaacen i work 9-5...its not that special. If you wanna compare everyones existance to a sweatshop in china then yea were all very privileged. But the world isn't black n white...maybe for you i don't know what is the "retard" color spectrum is. I need to grow up? THATS A REALLY GOOD ONE. Maybe your right and being a standup is easy you should try it someday.(that is if you can get over yourself.)
for a bunch of people who think competition in the marketplace fixes everything, they sure don't have that opinion when it comes to women. Interesting.
interesting how you can't tell the difference between finding love and companionship and economic models. Sounds like the sort of dude who rents his companionship by the hour
good non sequitur there genius. the "sexual marketplace" is a made up comment by mgtow who think the only important part of a relationship is physical when in reality its emotional and mental all 3 of which play a part in courtship and getting a partner. but keep blaming your beer belly instead of your perspective.
“Those guys have to be men” Well, everyone has their own understanding of what “being a man” means, so that statement doesn’t really say anything. But he was correct when he said “confidence”. That’s all it takes. You can be a physically unattractive, unemployed “loser”, with no confidence in yourself regarding almost every aspect of your life... and you could still have confidence in your ability to get laid. And if you do, then you will.
@@antoinevandepoel1773 absolutely. Confidence is confidence. It isn’t a respecter of person’s. Jordan, Ali, Elvis, Hitler... they all had confidence. If a person chooses to waste their their self confidence on simply getting laid, they are free to do so, but that isn’t really “self-confidence”, and the person deserves to face the consequences of their skewed priorities.
I use my guitar analogy for everything. And just think about it. I taught myself guitar. It's not hard. But I've had people ask me throughout my life "can you teach me to play".... my answer is always an immediate no. The only reason I learned was because I wanted to bad enough. I'm single because obviously I somehow don't WANT something bad enough. If you want something enough you'll change yourself to get it.
As a very good self-taught guitarist myself, I disagree. Chances are you gravitated towards it and stuck with it because you have a natural affinity for it. Some people want to play desperately but need lessons. You're single because the society you belong to is unbalanced right now. It's not about wanting something bad enough. I wanted a girlfriend and pussy when I was younger 20, sucked at it, and it was a great source of distress because I didn't have the tools (and a bunch of other reasons). I'm 46 and I worry about Gen-Z because I see my old self in them.
The shy Incel would never kill ladys, the narcissist does Incels are not just uncertain, they are in the same time narcissistic and think they have the right for women only cause the are men. There is also a lot of arrogance involved. The shy Incel would never kill ladys, would first kill himself, the narcissist with his gloriosity mindset hates women cause they are not sharing their overblown selfview, an ugly mindset.
I’m 24 years old pretty much my entire life I’ve never done anything. Failed school, couldn’t hold down a job, depressed, anxiety, suicidal thoughts. 6 months ago I decided I would stop eating garbage and start working out and I feel like a completely different human. Much more confidence, assertiveness and drive. My energy levels never crash. I can do what I need to do all day. There’s an amazing feeling when the weight you couldn’t even think of lifting when you first start is what you’re lifting now and it only gets better. At first it was something I tried and now it’s something I do and look forward to.
i honestly think hes right, i was an incel for years, though never physically unattractive my mind was. martial arts completely changed me completely, slowly but surely
So many incels don’t realise that it’s their personalities that ruin it. I love nerdy guys. Especially if they are smart and care about others. I really don’t like guys who think they are entitled to sleep with hundreds of women and that women should be back Im the kitchen. Im glad you’ve got over that. I’m sure you find yourself with lots of options nowadays since you no longer see women as the enemy.
@@nemosnemo8869 Honestly, I've began to get better at confidence through bodybuilding, but I really can't seem to shake my hatred of women. I simply well and truly don't like them.
@@smoqueed44 well it’s a bit like saying you don’t like dogs because one or two bit you. Not all dogs bite and neither do all women. It’s just there are a lot of crappy selfish people around now and you have to trawl through the mud to find your gold. It’s depressing though. Glad you are enjoying working out. I’m not myself when I’ve not. Need to get those happy hormones wherever I can. Plus I like feeling fit and strong (for a girl - my vanity won’t let me lift things that ruin my feminine appearance). The problem with anger is that it eats at you. You let it go not for them but for your own mental health. And maybe when it’s gone some of the decent girls will take notice. And if they don’t, you can focus on you and the things you want to achieve. You cannot lose.
There are males who "become men" yet still end up finding it hard to get a partner. Especially if they're in a situation where there's a lot of competition. We see this a lot with dating sites where the men outnumber the women. Life isn't always that simple although being a "man" is obviously a good idea and it helps.
Bonfire-Chan I agree, looks aren’t everything. Doing the basics (showering, wash your face, brushing your teeth, brushing your hair, put on deodorant), is the foundation, but it has to be built on that foundation, and it isn’t going to get there overnight. Once you have self respect, you start to figure what your identity is, and what you have of value that you could provide to others. But, feeling sorry for yourself and pointing fingers at the world isn’t going to get you there. Looks aren’t everything, but you have to know what your value is.
Incel 3/10 nerds with bad facial hair and questionable fashion sense goes for Smoking hot 8/10 girls and say shit to them like "I love you" when they hardly know them and then they wonder why they don't get laid or they go for the be her friend tactic and then spend 6 months trying to pluck up the courage to ask them out and the crazy thing is in the first two weeks of them being friends with this female the female will say to herself on numerous occasions "is he gonna ask me for sex yet" "guess not he must just want to be friends with me, maybe he is gay"
This whole incel thing seems to stem from the fact that it's much easier for people to connect now and women don't have to settle for whatever schmuck happens to be at the bar on a given night. If someone can't compete in that environment then it means they need to work on themselves.
For incel or no incel , : In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money , you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women. from scarface.
Quotes from Pedowood. Really it should be : You get the money, power, then the gold digging/corrupt witches infected with herpes, npc materialistic sheep creatures, sucking your energy everyday.
Y’all seem to be ignoring the real message here which is mainly what comes after the incel conversation. Joe Rohan is so goddamn disciplined in everything he does and he has so many side hustles that I can only imagine how happy he is. That’s a genuine superpower in my opinion
@@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 I'm not on some different "shiit" I wanted to stress out the fact that responsibilities are in a disproportionate level put on men as burdens. Men need to do something to be men. Women just are women by the virtue of being. This is a well known phenomenon that I though would go well here.
If we are just talking purely incel vs getting laid no esoteric elements: “the one” or “connection” then cash is king. Other than that it’s just about the social situation or praxis you happen to be in. For example I’ve worked a boring 9-5 in a boring town and not got much action then moved to working in tourism in a fun tourist resort and got loads, it’s nothing to do with how manly I was, I was the same dude, but like most things in life it was purely the circumstances I happened to find myself... but this explanation won’t sell many books or get many views 🤣🤣🤣
They'd have to admit the arbitrariness of women too, while both are certain of some righteousness hidden intrinsically in female nature that we must submit to for validation. Admitting appeal to vapidity and greed work better than anything kills their "real men" get righteously laid shill.
100% its opportunity. Working as a bartender is going to get you much more opportunities than working as a truck driver. Otherwise you have to get into hobbies and activities that provide opportunities to meet people.
I think what Jordan means by cultural monogamy being part of the solution to the incel problem is that monogamy locks one man to one woman so, in effect, there would be more women available for the rest of men who can pair bond with more or less the same number of women in the population and thus lower the number of incels. This does NOT mean that incels don't have to get their shit together regardless, it just mathematically makes it more viable to pair bond if the top 10% of men aren't hogging all the women which is something that is resolved through monogamy.
no they aren't. even a fat disgusting horrible stupid no money having woman can find some thirsty beta who will pamper her pussy. women don't even have to try to get laid, their main problem is sifting through all their offers of getting laid. look at tinder for example, even the most average chick has to sift through a bunch of matches meanwhile the average guy gets his heart racing when he finally matches with a girl just to find out she was a bot.
But it's just a stupid assumption that "the top 10%" of men are hording all the women. Give me a break! Online dating wouldnt be so widespread if that were true. Non monogamy or short term relationships obviously create MORE people available for dating. Lemme tell you, I'm 40, and all the half decent dudes are all married with kids now,so the dating pool has shrunk considerably than when I was in my 20s. Back then people were sleeping around more and not being as serious. Some people are undateable. Both men and women. I don't know what to tell them, except maybe they should meet up and do work to be more interesting people. It's less about looks than "vibe".
@@abramslion1 Probably because for some people it really is just fucking impossible to do anything. I've been trying to lose weight for five years, and I've only gained weight. Suicide is just some people's fate.
I was a borderline incel until I stopped playing the victim, sorted through my past trauma and started fighting my fears. In about 5-6 months I lost my virginity and now I have a girl I regularly sleep with. All it takes is for us to get off our ass and start improving on ourselves.
I disagree. It's not the first step that's the hardest. It's the fifth step. First step is a matter of making a bold declaration, "I WILL make a change!" Then... comes the second step, and it's a little harder. And then the third, the fourth... generally speaking, that's when people tend to quit, in my experience. When it's become too much like work, and the initial resolve has begun to fade, and things haven't become a new routine yet... that's the hard part. Too many people are good at taking that first step... again, and again, and again, and never quite making it up to the double digits.
Maybe the people doing it again and again etc. weren’t genuinely committed to taking that first step each time, and that’s why people say the first step is the hardest because it’s not just about deciding to start, it’s about deciding to start AND stay committed, like you were saying, through that 5th step and beyond.
that's only true when you have motivation involved, if you are not hyped about workout, and go workout for the first time, it's the hardest, then you know the place, your routine is a little bit better, it's more clear to you what to do etc. but I do agree, the fifth step, even if motivation is not involved is hard as fuck, it shows you that there's still much work to do and that even after let's say 5 days of studying you barely moved to your goal and the success won't just magically fall onto your lap, and you still have years and years of hard work ahead, when you realize that, accept it and still keep moving, that's when it gets a bit easier
Why tf do these random political terms just get popular all of a sudden. Like I never have heard of the term incels before and now I hear the word about 10x a day.
It was an internet subculture term for a long time that suddenly appeared in a New York Times or Atlantic article recently which then provokes a bunch of imitation articles and gets it in the normal mainstream conversation. Of course it gets equated with the article definition which is a little different than the original meaning. For example incel now means not just someone who can't get laid but someone who is a misogynist and potential school shooter. Originally it just meant an involuntary celibate AKA someone who can't get laid and doesn't have a choice in the matter
"Enforced monogamy" doesn't actually mean what it sounds like. It doesnt mean forcing people to get married. There's a lot of confusion on this. It means societal pressure to live monogamously rather than a polyamorous lifestyle.
Such a sexually liberated term, “Enforced monogamy.” “marriage is oppressive cuz i don’t want to be chained to my poor decisions but still want to take half my man’s money without having to deal with kids.”
What happens when all men learn martial arts and only the best among them get laid? I doubt the green belts get laid when you got a bunch of black belt guys walking about. On an individual level it's still great advice I just don't think it's gonna even out the spread of sexual encounters (unless difference in skill is lesser).
well this is the problem with right wing thinking, ironically promoted by people like jordan peterson. it says you just need to be successful, it promotes a dog eat dog world and then says just be the dog that eats not the dog thats eaten. by necessity for every dog who eats theres a dog who gets eaten, maybe 10,000s who get eaten. its musical chairs, when the music stops there are less chairs than there are people who are trying to sit in them. the reality is that this sort of 'just get good lel' culture of right wing thinking is promoted and understood by people at the top of the food chain, most of whom got their by unfair advantage, to people who dont understand it at the bottom of the food chain because they need their support for a system that maintains and increased their unfair advantage.
@@necaacen Never seen anyone put it into words so eloquently. This is exactly right. And I'm in disbelief that even smart guys like jordan peterson cant see the fault in that logic. There will always be men who get the short end of the stick. His idea for enforced monogamy actually makes sense though and its the only solution to the current dating crisis in the west
What Joe leaves out, is that it's a very slow and gradual process to get to his level. Once you get fitter, it gets easier. He's lying if if says it's the same as when he first started.
Yeah, it takes hard work. And the women that you lust after, they work hard at it too. It takes hard work to stay in great shape. So a woman who loves cross-fit isn't gonna be attracted to the overweight guy who loves Japanese animation and online video games If a beautiful woman rejects a guy who's a dud, then she's labeled as "stuck up and shallow"......you do realize that there are women who are deemed unattractive, right? Those women lust after guys who are out of their league as well All you can do is work hard to make yourself the person you want to be
The responsibilities that come with a dedicated relationship are difficult and in order to amount to such a task and do it well, you must in fact become a proper and true man. That’s what Jordan meant, in my mind, about socially encouraged monogamy. Also the discipline of finding one partner to dedicate themselves too being encouraged from a cultural, and societal level also adds onto the building of mature mindsets for men. Joe is intelligent and I respect him but what Jordan said makes absolute perfect sense. Instead of “They just need to become men,” Joe agrees with Jordan, but Jordan actually brings a solution that was just a bit complex where Joe didn’t fully receive it I don’t think when he first heard it.
If Jordan Peterson were there, he would say,
"HA..Well thats not what I'm saying at all."
i heard the words as i was reading it
I read it in his exact kermit voice.
Hahaha so true
Truer words were never spoken.
I mean he wouldn't be wrong.
They are talking about Peterson like he’s a dead philosopher or something
^ That just shows how good he is tbh
Yeah because he isn’t there lmao
Imagine, Peterson a philosopher!
LMFAO
Too close bud. He wasn't a dead philosopher. He was a mostly dead philosopher.
"If you're always giving 100% effort, it's always going to be hard." -- Unexpectedly deep.
I don’t agree. I always give 100% effort on the basketball court, just as one example. Opponents take notice, my team benefits every time, and after years of giving my all, I’ve turned my game into an art form. Bite on that
@@iamjyk11355 yeah but I'm sure a lot of that is you getting a flow state where your experience, training and natural talent allow your art to come out. Not that you don't have effort or exertion, but you get that Zazen kind of movement without thought type of thing
@@iamjyk11355 meh wasn't THAT good
@@iamjyk11355 BULLSHIT!!! Curb your wannabe Allen Iverson. Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant (both who used the same personal trainer) were some of the hardest workers and competitors in the history of sports. Tim Grover (their trainer) describes in his book “Relentless” how they hated the grueling hard work at times but that they pushed through it year after year because they were ferociously competitive and cared more about the end result. I don’t care who you are you, you are not past Kobe and Jordan’s level, or Joe Rogan for that matter.
@@iamjyk11355 you always give 100% on the court but once the game is over I doubt that you give 100% all the time
“The hardest step is the first step” 💯
Damn man that’s deep. Straight up facts no cap Wil. Come on bro let’s go man first step the hardest not liking we haven’t heard that 100000 times before come on bruv
Your so alpha 🤪⁉️💯💶💶😈
@@jakewaldman6243 right. like has this dude never heard of that phrase until now?💀
@@julien3238 tbh the hardest step is not the 1st step. For example lets say you are fat so inorder to loose weight you gotta get a mentality to loose weight nd get your diet right and workout. That be 1st step. Its so easy to plan to do and do it for 1 day thats step one then over time you feel shit after starving and working out so within 2 weeks 90% people give up so they did the 1st step but they didnt follow up
Falcon Giveaways well first of all think of all the bigger people in the world who haven't even taken the first step, plus he also said getting up and doing it every day, doesn't get easier it just has to be done
Martial arts and dmt can cure anything- Joe Rogan
Breh
Rogan MIGHT just be correct... LOL
And weed lol
It's kinda true
@@inhisservice8862 that's right, if a guy is short with tiny wrists, a tiny jaw and a giant nose, all he has to do is learn jiu-jitsu and take drugs and suddenly he'll be tall and attractive
The shiny forehad championship.
Gaspar Cagliostro there is a lot more head to work with with Joe Rogan
They really need to get some finishing powder if they're going to have lights shining on them. It just takes a light translucent powder to get rid of that shine.
Its like a lightsaber duel.
Thats hilarious! You made me laugh, thank you
LOL
Joe is the CEO of "just stop having bad thoughts bro"
Lololol
it actually works though
"Depressed? Just cheer up mate"
@@mlgfrog27 no.
@@vendetacos yes
Marriage is terrifying. "I love you so much baby girl lets get the government involved..."
Amen to that brother
Stanhope
Rogan is clueless he's a rich celeb that's been married for years. He doesn't understand the current paradigms as it pertains to single men. Most men in the history of the world were not wealthy. We're just at a point now where all women expect a wealthy man due to feminism and a sense of self entitlement.
@@BurningUp99 Well what he was saying in the video is all men have a chance to do something. Men now days are really soft, these so called "incels" would not be seen that way if they learned discipline and actually worked for something. It has nothing to do with wealth. Its not how much you have, its what you do that matters.
@@BurningUp99 Find better women...go to a Mormon service. I went to a Mormon wedding and I thought I was at a supermodel convention.
Joe “these incels need to start doing martial arts” Rogan
Weaponized Incels sounds like a good band name.
@Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal not all infels are crazy shooters you idiot. That's like getting hurt by one women and saying all women are bad, flawed thinking
@The Insult Pigeon ive been on those forums and everything you said about their strange rapey vibe as well as their defeatist mindset is true.
@@navia810 true, one of them wanted to kill pregnant women
These forums are crazy
@@bullymaguire2061 I think it's only on the really shady comunities, by definition there are incels (guys who can't have sex) that don't wanna hurt anyone, they're just really shy or not very good looking
Jordan Peterson’s number one message is to become a better version of yourself by learning to overcome adversity
Also Dr. Seuss's number one message.
Nah
@Shad Rock drugs are a crutch. You take them to run away from your problems
How’s that going for JP? He really should learn to take his own advice.
@@danieltobin4498 well he fought chronic depression for his whole life and still became a world famous academic that helps millions of people, withdrew from public life to fight a benzodiazepine addiction he acquired when the love of his life was diagnosed with terminal cancer, fought the addiction and won when most people never come out the other side of that... I think he’s doing pretty great tbh
Joe “I think all mental problems can be solved with martial arts” Rogan.
what's your suggestion? sarcasms? they kind of work, sometimes :)
I agree tho
Joe “I think all mental problems can be solved with a fat load of DMT” Rogan
Hold on guys, I’d come up with a response but I’m too busy trying to fix my Psychosis with this Kata.
martial arts definitely don't hurt
but they aren't a fix to all ills either
Joe "looks don't matter because Harvey Weinstein had a gorgeous wife" Rogan
Yeah he doesn’t understand hypergamy at all. Rogan needs Rollo Tomasi on his podcast.
@@germanicusternus1982 true, they have no clue how it really is. Incels are only the tip of the iceberg.
I dont think he said that.And dont think that was the message we was sending.
Joe your so far from the truth that you might as well be dining at the devils table! Why so many people follow you just reminds me of how lost and out of touch this world is of true goodness and righteousness in God!
Harvey Weinstein was a sociopath. He would have done bad regardless of his social status and environment...
Should be re-titled "Joe disagrees with Jordan Peterson by agreeing with Jordan Peterson." Lmao.
LMAO
To be fair to Rogan, that's pretty easy to do considering Peterson only talks in word salad form. Jordan Peterson often disagrees with Jordan Peterson by agreeing with Jordan Peterson.
Personally I like how even his own fans are fighting over if he bravely recovered from a benzoid addiction he developed because the love of his life was diagnosed with cancer OR if it wasn't really an addiction at all and it was only the side effects of the drugs he was taking that forced him into that Russian coma.
@@solrinin bro what the hell Jordan Peterson lives in your head rent free bro 😂😂
@@solrinin I'm sure most of his fans simply watched Jordan's interview regarding that issue and learned the truth directly from the guy. He was addicted to that medication since he needed something to deal with his wife battling cancer, got addicted. Nobody knew how to help him after he checked himself for rehab so he went looking for help in Russia and got better. That's basically the gist of it
@@solrinin Peterson Isnt word salad, someone like Michael Eric Dyson is word salad. Peterson actually has pretty firm convictions on most of what he talks about, when he is ambiguous - which is almost exclusively when he talks about his personal view on religion, he hardly ever contradicts himself, he doesn’t really seem to make a point at all, which one could argue is worse, but thats up for debate.
"Be atrractive to a lot of women and then choose one." -JBP
Get rich and fuck trying
That's actually a struggle for alot of attractuive folks like he mentioned in that video
Disregard females, acquire currency, regard females
@@burry218 from my experience my vast sums of dogecoin have been an instant lure for women
And lose half your shit down the line!
"Becoming a man" also means not putting up with lies and bad treatment anymore. I was physically and socially awkward coming up through school, and as a result my major interaction with girls was a series of _Carrie_ style practical jokes at my expense. The real problem, as I see it, wasn't that there were evil bitches, because there will always be evil bitches. The problem was I bowed my head and took it. Being a man doesn't mean believing I deserve the perfect Disney ending, or that everything is going to go my way, or that everyone is going to tell me the truth. It means understanding the goal _isn't_ "getting a woman." If that were all, there are bars in my town. Statistically speaking, there are bar skanks there. It's not that hard. I've been sexually harassed half a dozen times, I could have just said yes if the only goal was to have a woman pay attention to me. No. The goal is self-respect, in whatever form that takes. The goal is having the discernment to detect a no-win scenario and the discipline not to walk into it. Becoming attractive doesn't mean evil bitches leave you alone. In fact, the evil ones will abuse an attractive man in more ways than they will an ugly man. Being attractive only means quality women might also be interested. I've done martial arts and weightlifting. They do NOT cure the hopelessness that comes from only ever having been treated badly. If you start lifting, doing ju jitsu, and getting out of the house, only to accept an emotionally abusive slag who cheats on you because you were too desperate and myopic to see that ANY attention isn't the same as GOOD attention, you're still losing.
Thanks for your thoughts
Yea great points. It’s about creating the reality for yourself that YOU want. For most of us, that won’t involve jumping into bed with every women we can get, regardless of how hot they are
@@Mr_Boifriend 👍🏻
Yup, I resonate with this.
this should have more likes because joe rogan forgets men are still people and people have deep rooted issues if they have trouble in handling themselves into the real world. That can be abuse in their childhood,etc.
And the incel topic i think it depends. No one gets something willingly by just demanding, same goes that you can't buy love or affection, maybe you can fake it, but not the genuine affection of a woman and the willingness to be with you.
And that's the bias with Incels; same as some women who work themselves to fix their internal issues through therapy so they can be emotionally reliable same needs to happen with men. That mentality of "be a man" in taking all the problems in doesn't help when it comes to be a reliable man to the people around you. That's why you see so many men coping with substances. Its very easy to say " put yourself together" when they don't have guidance.
It's not the job of a woman to fix a man, but instead, each individual should strive to help themselves so they can help others. Without that we end up just wrapped up into a self absorb bubble thinking the world ows us something.
Joe Rogan has a surprisingly narrow mind, for such an open minded person
What?
Indeed! Not only that, he paraphrases jp but has completely missed his point
@@andyd6338 very true
An open mind is not good always in any case. Joe is totally sure about what he is saying regarding this issue, and I agree with him. If you are feeeling bad, inferior, and waisting your time and emotional energy... you shouldn't have an open mind about it, you should do what it takes to get better. You need determinationo, the opposite of an open mind. A very difficult thing to have though. And Joe knows what it takes to get better, and I agree with him 100%. I know your mind will tell you "oh my situation is differente, it's not so simple, etc." I experienced the same. We all have experienced the same. The truth is that Joe is being very very on point in describing what it takes to feel better. Don't confusea narrow mind with determination, they are very different things . And determination is very much needed in life.
Lol incel
“It doesn’t get easier”
We need to be told that more. Not as way to put us down and discourage us but to tell us the truth. Because damn that puts things into perspective.
So mind as well start building something now so you're not at the bottom when the "tidal wave" of life comes at you.
Sure you can always stay at the bottom, never lose anything because you never built anything. But is that really what we want to think of ourselves during the last moments of our lives?
Where is the will, the thirst of life, in men, to experience the most out of life?
JR simplifies things to the point it sounds radical to most men but that just tells the state of their minds.
If it really sounds so scary to just get off your ass and do something, anything to get pride out of, aren't they just kicking themselves down.
The only acceptable thing keeping men down should be a clinical mental disease or if they're physically handicapped.
What is your opinion of this?
@@jagerbomb What about the systemic deprivation of sources of meaning and the opportunity to obtain them? Such as, you know, the present state of the first world?
And also "the hardest weight is the first one" no matter what the first step is always the most difficult.
Thats the truth . It wont get any easier for both sexes to be honest but, Incels need encouragement not to be treated as monsters . This is a group of men that didn't learn some social issues that most people take for granted. Their experiences are normal but they've accepted the wrong viewpoint. Again I wish their were "real men" who would treat incels with respect and extend a hand to them rather than kick them while their down.
It's hilariously easy to tell people "it won't get easier" or "man up". Easy to look at successful people and say "if they can do it, so can you, doesn't matter what the circumstances are". Then turn a blind eye when they kill themselves because they've given in to despair that other people helped to reinforce. But even this ends up being justified with lines like "I were only trying to help", "they were just too weak", or the good old classic "they weren't real men".
Stigmatize the incels, brand them as useless/deficient/alt right nazis or whatever the popular catchphrase of the day is, and if they decide to kill themselves, ridicule them because suicide is a cardinal sin to society. How dare they not put up with living a miserable life. Unthinkable. Even alcoholics and drug addicts are better than the terminally depressed.
Then there are the people that "man up" in the worst way and turn to violence, they find that confidence holy grail Joe sent them on a search for, except it's so extreme that he disavows them instantly. But the media isn't concerned with why people become extremists, or whether it's gradual or sudden. They just want someone to use as a talking point, and misery loves company. Easier to talk about incels if they're all sociopathic murderers or useless subhumans, humanizing them would take too much effort.
When the mass media just repeats the same rhetoric of "man up", "it's your responsibility to step up", "stop complaining and just put up with it", "you're a man aren't you?" day in day out, they have to eventually realize that to a group who considers themselves disenfranchised and disillusioned, these words only sound hollow and if anything, they come off as scornful - like nothing they've done matters, their lives don't matter, and it's their fault that they aren't as successful as Joe Rogan here. Everytime Joe touches on this topic it's inevitably the same thing "man up", "I did it, why don't you", "just do it". He might as well be a commercial for steroid doping at this point. The optics aren't good.
So how many suicides does it take for people to actually give a shit? Does it have to be somebody personal? Or is everyone truly convinced that ambiguous wisdom and empty promises of some "green pasture of appreciation" will convert this group of individuals? That one day, like casting a magic spell "man up" will make these people overnight successes?
At this point there might as well be a war so these people can have a purpose. At least if they go off and die for a purpose, they'll have something in common with their incel predecessors decades and centuries back.
Man, I really needed to hear this. My woman left, and I lost my job. Both recently. Started delving back into substances again and self pity. Fuck all that. Gotta get up and move. Move or die.
Edit: If you told me I’d find my balls again thanks to the help from a bunch of dudes in a YT comment section I’d call you fucking crazy. I took the advice on hitting the gym. I dove into it. Lost 21 pounds, gained some muscle, some serotonin and some confidence. The confidence was major. In a month I’ve gotten a promotion, a raise, made a couple new friends and started chatting with the smoking hot girl covered in tattoos at the gym.
I appreciate the advice and the kind words immensely. 🙌🏻
Dude, man to man......don't let her destroy your life. It hurts dude but don't let it consume you. There's no solutions at the bottom of a bottle. Up until Nov 2019 I had a really bad dependency problem with booze, and my drinking really got dangerous after my divorce. What i had to do was address my issues with my mental well being, once I did that it made sobering up a breeze
One thing you could do, the moment a horrible/depressing thought comes to mind, just drop and do 10 push ups. Repeat that process throughout the day. If 10 isn't enough aim for 15 or 20. It'll help distract you from what's going on while at the same time redirecting your negative energy
You can do this brotha
Use working out as ur revenge bro ,I have used it to stop booze
Man,I gotta move forward as well. Just go and give yourself the time. Use your energy well👍🏻👍🏻.
From one Grant to another, you've got the support of me and other guys like me, the guys that have been through the same shit. But you're absolutely right you gotta pick yourself up and constantly move forward and the only one that can do that for you is you. You got this man.
Fuck that someone hand me the aK 47
males becoming MEN and embracing their responsibility is most of JP's message. *shrug*
But enforced monogamy is like saying that free market is great until it takes you out and then you want protectionism.
No. Most of his message is about traditionalism. He wants people married for life, going to church, and going to work.
He’s fucking lame.
No all of you are wrong. His message is: It’s your responsibility to turn your life into one worth suffering through.
To let go of the idea that the suffer you’ve lived through is to blame for what you lack, but instead something like a weight you can bear honourably on your pursuit towards a more meaningful life.
And that even though life is hard, we are way harder.
It drives me crazy to see people can’t recognise that what this man is saying is the shit most people needed to hear their *entire fucking life*
all because they think his popularity is just some bandwagon people are hopping on for funsies.
@@rayzell9010 You’re wrong lol, responsibility is one of the most non “lame” things to have. Maybe YOU don’t want to have it but when you do and you handle it it shows strength and value, that’s his message, not something rigid like going to church.
and what is the message become an alchoholic? :D
"Never give up. God's got a plan for you" - Saint Jeremy Meeks
Joe Boomer Rogan: Just have confidence Bruhh, It worked for me when I was young.
Joe "Give DMT to incels" Rogain
lmoa
LMAOOOO
It might be worth a try.
yeah, why would that be a bad thing? everyone could use some DMT. have you tried it?
Hey man I'm an incel if you normies want to send us DMT we're all for it. It will send us mentally away from this universe which is what we want. Heck a lot of us are already using shrooms and lsd. Ship away normies!
Enforced Jiu Jitsu classes
haha, that's good.
You might be onto something
Jiu jitsu has one of the highest rates of incels from all martial arts. Better choose any other MMA related martial arts like wrestling, boxing or muay thai.
Atleast it's better than monogamy
I get what he's saying but he's basically saying what we've all heard before; "Well just work harder."
Like can't you admit that standards for both sexes are needlessly high right now? Can't you just admit that people are shallow as fuck and will only date you because you're rich?
No because that would mean I didn't get to where I'm at with hard work, or that my wife/girlfriend isn't interested in me for who I am, but infact my money and good looks, and that makes me very uncomfortable.
I'd like it just once, just once, that people would approuch this subject without contempt or using it to elevate themselves.
All Rogan said was the same tough love "toughen up buttercup" BS that these young men have heard a thousand times over and over. Its not helping.
is jordan peterson helping? apparently his way to solve the problem is by introducing a thing to society called marriage and making it the social norm.
the giant audience of incels clapping him for this have failed to notice marriage already exists, its already the social norm and theyre still incels. but they paid their money to go see this fraud so they keep clapping.
@@necaacen atleast its more productive then saying "fuck you twerp, I got mine now you have to scavange for yours" mentality I keep seeing in guys Like Rogan and Jock Willink. Tough love isn't love, its just tough. Its an escape hatch for when the kid blows his brains out you can say "atleast I helped" and walk away from the situation.
Theres an epidemic of mental health issues in young men right now and the most you can muster up from people is sneering hatred. We've abandoned these young men because its nearly impossible for us as a species to sympathize with them because men see them as competition and women see them as beneath them. Hell, it was hard for me to initially sympathize with them until I started to listen to them.
Giving advice like "just lift bro" or "learn BJJ" and shit like that isn't helping.
@@dugonman8360 well the 'i got mine' attitude is a core right wing political belief. being compassionate and helping vulnerable people = left wing socialism. dog eat dog, every man for themselves = right wing capitalism.
jordan peterson preaches absolute hate for left wing socialism at every turn.
youre pointing out a vulnerable group who are being trodden under the foot of society. look at the history of people who have actually stood up for vulnerable groups and made real changes, for black people, gay ppl, women, transgender, immigrants, the working class... the whole way its been the left wing who have promoted the idea of compassionately holding out a hand to the downtrodden and helping them up, and they have succeeded in genuinely helping these groups.
these men ur talking about reject the left. womens rights activists find solidarity with gay rights activists, with workers rights activists. these men dont find solidarity, they reject the left and actively fight against the groups who look out for vulnerable people while attaching themselves to the right wing, who do nothing to help people because helping others is inherently against current right wing ideals which are based around sociopathic selfishness.
why do they attach themselves to the right? whos selling them these ideas? people like jordan peterson and dave rubin.
while the left is teaching people fighting for black rights to find common cause and support people fighting for lgbt rights, building love and support across communities, these men are being taught to hate feminists, hate blm, hate trans people... all by an alt right cult of fascist leaning bigots. and then they wonder why theyre alone and no ones looking out for them?
@@necaacen
1. Why didn't I see this until now, a month afterwards?
2. Blah, blah, blah, blather, blather, blather. Of course you bring up politics when no one else brought it up, into the lefts eternal infantile "we're the good guys" mental state. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so boring.
How, pray tell, would you help them? Hmm? Would you tell them to "be confident" or "take a shower"? What advice or help would you give these people that you and your ilk have made very clear you despise with all your fiber of your being? You have turned a term that that, frankly, should make someone feel utterly sad and concerned into your version of the word cuck.
You guy dont help anyone, you just weaponize them to go against your enemies. Its always "the white capitalist patriarchy" whos the enemy and the panacea for all the worlds ills is "multicultural socialist matriarchy". You appropriate others acheivements for as your own, the originator of the 'I made this' meme.
Also, if you think Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson is rightwing then you have drank so much of the cool-aid that I'm shocked you're not diabetic yet.
You are a member of a cult and you've been brainwashed by a grand narratice by snakeoil salesmen.
@@dugonman8360 joe rogan isnt right wing, jordan peterson is very much right wing, he intensely campaigns against socialism and the left, thats why when you bring up the "fuck you twerp, I got mine now you have to scavange for yours mentality" i mention that this is the core ideal of the political doctrine that jordan peterson promotes. he doesnt personally promote "I got mine.." but then thats part of the grifting contradiction that is peterson, because he attacks socialism and left wing politics at every turn and defends/promotes the right, for who "I got mine" is literally the foundation of their belief.
the weaponization of groups against the enemy is a right wing thing, always has been. the right stir hatred for immigrants, ethnic minorities, gay people, tans, feminists. identity politics is a right wing invention, they use divide and conquer to turn working class people against each other which distracts from the reality that right wing politics economic theory is all about protecting the rights of rich people to exploit poor people. theres no way you get the 99% to vote for an economic theory that shits on them in favour of the 1% so you talk about building walls to keep the dark people out, putting the jews in camps etc.
the reason the left campaign for rights of various groups to identify in certain ways is because right wing people are often racist, sexist, homophobic people whos prejudices have been weaponised by right wing political grifters using identity politics and that creates injustice in society. the left defends against injustice and in doing so gets dragged into the rights identity based hate politics. the only people the left despise are hateful bigots.
left thinkers like karl marx invented his theories as a way to end economic slavery imposed on people by the 1%. hes not concerned with their identity, hes concerned with economic power and that necessitates identifying those with economic power and those without, but hes not concerned with people and their identity his focus is economics. if you look at his right wing equiv in say hitler... its all about identity, he imprisons and kills gay people, communists, brown people, jewish people... hes picking out race, sexual preference, political beliefs, religions, thats his focus, thats his concern, identity, dividing people into groups and then attacking the minorities to paint an enemy in a game of divide and conquer in order to manipulate society into doing his will.
im not the one whos part of a brainwashed cult m8.
I Thought Life Is About Self Actualization, Not Chasing Female Validation.
i dont know about you. but no matter what i do or think about, tits are never far from the forefront of my mind. its kind of persistent. almost like an inborn instinct. its not their validation though, only i can validate myself
Does anybody else see the other comment I just posted or is it just me seeing that it has disappeared?
cant suppressed urges cause neuroses and imbalance though?
boobs are a reptile brain meme. Transcend, lads.
Stryker A. Wolfe isn't MGTOW full of people who obsessively hate women and bitch about them too? Last time I gave a look to the subreddit it seemed like most of the posts were about "women just want muh money and are evil cunts". I really can't get around to understanding them but I think the initial idea for MGTOW is fuckin fine. Stop being so concerned with what women think about you and do what just makes you happy and learn to sustain yourself. But it's seemingly just become a women hate group at this point that just validates feminazis
Joe "i change my opinion depending on who im talking to" Rogan
Tom Matheson Coles people change their mind and usually aren't 100% consistent, him being a broadcaster doesn't change that
He changes his opinion with time. Also Joe isn't a cult leader like Jordan Peterson
Andy Clemens a cult leader........ wut do you mean
TheKnight OfCydonia Peterson has a legion of brainwashed pasns that believe what shit he pulls out his ass
Andy Clemens rogan has a pretty big cult following of 16-24’s as well
Joe: It doesn't get easier
Also Joe: The first step is the hardest
"The hardest weight to lift is the first one."
6 years later, had to learn to walk again after being in a wheelchair. Fiance at the time assumed I'd never walk again, left me for my best friend, lost a career I had spent over a decade building. All I said to myself "challenge accepted". 6 years later, im happily single and have traveled non stop with mt service doggo, had sex on 6 continents, 5 if youre an intellectual, 1 if youre a historian. So happy to have put in that hard work. Work is NEVER done. If you arnt thinking of your next task during your current task, youre wasting valuable time. Start at your goal and work your way backwards until you say "but I've already passed that" then thats where your new work begins. Take pride and enjoy how hard life is, the difficulties truly make you appreciate the success.
Sorry you had to go through that pain but super happy to hear your crushing it after all that. Keep on rocking brother.💪💪🤙🤙
LET'S FUCKING GO CHAMP. Stories like these never fail to inspire me.
Good job 👏🏼 thank you for the inspiration.
My man 💪🏼
Good advice and inspiring story
I feel like a lot of pre-incels might start out by seeing themselves as pretty normal human beings who recognize women as normal human beings as well. They think being in a relationship and having sex feels great, and they know that sooo many women out there feel the same way. Because they know this, they expect getting in a relationship simply by being themselves and doing what they usually do. The problem is that obtaining and maintaining a relationship actually takes a lot of active effort, and tons of luck. Since these guys don't recognize that over time, they become filled with bitterness and resentment, not understanding what it is that they're doing wrong. They start by turning their hatred inwards, but that doesn't really bear fruit in the long term, so they consciously or sub-consciously find a way to release that energy. Cue Incel forums. At these forums they can read long essays written by men in similar situations, and they can confirm their insecurities and feed their self-hatred. Their loneliness can be caused by a number of reasons, but by visiting these forums they gradually start directing their hatred towards feminism, alpha males, bro-culture, women or society in general. It finally boils down into blaming the universe for burdening them with such "evolutionary inferior" body traits.
How can we get these people out of this rut? I really don't feel like saying "Just shape up! Do it! Work! Obtain your goals" is going to work for people like this because they either feel like they HAVE tried doing all these things with no success, or they don't have any clear goals or incentive to work towards. They feel like they just sort of exist and suffer. Strange really.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. The issue is not as simple as many people seem to think.
Damn that's like Jordan Peterson levels of psychological intellect right there
What are you doing in the UA-cam comments I feel like you have the solutions to many problems now.
If you look at the psychologist Carl Rogers and his theory of the real self and the ideal self you see how people actively look for confirmation of how they see themselves. It's also known as cognitive bias which shuts out most information invalidating your point of view and actively seeks out things that enforce it. It's a human instinct, one that sadly gets enforced by the internet as you pointed out.
What incels don't realize is that life is fucking hard and every minute you spend on not improving it, but doing self-destructive shit, you're falling behind your peers.
It' like they can't see how most try their best to life their best lives and work hard for it on a daily basis.
These incels in the meanwhile are used to npc monsters that level with their character, they never learned what "hard" actually means.
Or they praise themselves at being good at Dark Souls, not realizing that it's easy because you can replay every single situation an infinite amount of times. They don't realize that guess what, finding somebody that you're physically attracted to and shares compatible humor, goals, sexual interests etc. is 100 times harder!
So step out of their basements every blue moon, fail and see their bias confirmed. But of course it's not them, it's their genetics as well as eeeeverybody else.
@@couchpotatoe91 It takes a lot of trial and error to even realize that positive change is possible. I think it is very understandable that people blame external factors that they have no control over because it beats having to actually confront their own shortcomings and go through the painful process of change. I think the npc-analogy is very interesting! If a majority of your experienced accomplishments stems from video games, of course you're going to start expecting the same types of results from real life. I wonder if video game-oriented thinking can be utilized as an method of positive change, or if it is best to just abstain from it as much as possible.
@@lawrencemorris2261 I can't really tell if this is sarcasm or not. If it isn't then thank you, I guess!
Im an incel, by definition because im involuntarily celibate and single. I don't blame women or society or anything like that, i don't complain on some dumb website or subreddit. Im an incel for many reasons, my parents split and i was abused for years by my alchoholic dad and i switched schools from moving alot. I built relationships at school early but everytime i moved i lost all my friends, later on the abuse affected me so much that when i moved schools again i was too anxious to talk to people and make friends again. I became a loner due to social anxiety that only started because of being beaten. I lost trust in people because i couldn't even trust my own parents. I moved again and again city to city until my dad went to jail, i never got the chance to build relationships or learn social skills i just became quiet and and severely anxious. Nothing changed because I never stayed in the same school for long i was like a drifter😂 ive never had a girlfriend, im a virgin i dont blame anybody but my abusive dad. I dont blame society or women or anything like that. The closest thing to blaming society i feel is just wishing that in the future our society does better at preventing childhood abuse by parents that are absolute monsters. When i say abuse i mean like real abuse. I wish people would consider that incels are not just losers to blame for their own problems they are human beings and many of them have pasts that you couldn't imagine. They are mentally ill in most cases. Instead of blaming incels maybe we could analyze what is causing the issue. Many incels are a lost cause we should try to prevent the future creation of them. We need to find a way to reduce childhood abuse. No child should have to worry about being beaten everyday or any other form of abuse especially by their own parents.
I know it might be hard with the pandemic and it might seem stupid but try hitting the gym. Even when signing up, maybe let the trainer signing you up know just enough of your struggles. Like you have some social anxiety. You got an ally right away then, and it’ll help you feel more confident and it’ll start to leak into other aspects of your life. Rooting for you my man.
You’ll never reduce child abuse, never in a million years, it’s down the the individual and if he is an abuser he will always be one, need to stop focusing on what causing the problems and focus on how to treat the victim him/herself, how they can improve, it sounds like your too deep in your past and relying on a potential partner to solve it,
Only you can do that, you’re a different person when you’re fixed, believe me. you may not even like that partner by time you’re healed, and she may not even like you after it, and then your back to square 1
does gym turn down abused people?
do hobbies?
do skills or talents?
you’re not an incel, you just haven’t even started your future yet, this world won’t help you with anything, so get to it.
the only thing that can make you an incel is you
There are abused people who have made it so forget about all that, or don’t and stay in incel limbo forever, if that’s what makes you feel more comfortable
@@agent-eg8mb This isn’t your “fate” gotta learn to read in between the lines buddy, cause chad speaking facts. I know that is true because I’m in a similar situation you’re in.
@@damionwright2743 sup boys
Hey agent47, first I think your life has been a very tough one till now. I cant even imagine how it would be like to be abused from alcoholic parents and get cut off every friend I made due to constant moving. These are hard burdons.
Its good that youre past blaming society for your „fare“. But now comes the hard thing: I think its gonna be very difficuilt for you if you don‘t forgive your parents ( just for you, not for them ) so that you not let these issues controll your future. I can totally understand that you dont want to do this and its not something, you can do instantly. Its something, that might happen on your way of getting controll of your own life. I think its worth a try to say that YOU are responsible for your future. Doing so you will carry those burdons and you feel strong about it. you can start with definining attainable goals you want to achive in your life. Gym might also help, because you can meet people, get physically and mentally stronger etc.
Also consider therapy if you have the feeling that you need professional help to overcome your situation. Its not a shame or anything line that, it just shows that you take responsibility for yourself.
I wish you all the best my friend! And i’m convinced youll do it. If you like, you can comment how your situation envolved over time. Would be interesting to me.
J
“so many people have a hard time doing it.”
especially incels.
Luckily not an incel but that was uncalled for.
Joe has clearly been out of the game a really long time.
Monumental facts. He didn’t grow up in this time. He’s got no clue. It’s like a privileged westerner trying to explain to a poor third worlder how to get rich
how?
I think Dayal is talking about the plight of the new man in a world of endless digital escapes and hamster wheels. Video games especially a lot of the new ones are just hamster wheels
@@coaboa5339 I don't think video games come into this discussion literally at all.
@@Rob526 It kind of negates the need to for human contact tbh.
It’s midnight here in England and this just motivated me to brush my teeth.
Crunches and push ups on this side of The Pond.
It wasn't midnight in England when you posted that, what a strange thing to lie about
be the best you brother!! lol
It was probably because midnight just sounded better
It's the little things man. Have a good night
Apparently all men can make the same amount as Harvey wienstien according to Joe
Imagine being so edgy you think Uma Thurman is a whore.
@@vindikaktus OH, so he paid in something other than direct money? Yeah, that's not remotely how we regard whoring now.
@@Endoptic Care to link the source stating all his sexual assaults were actually just mislabeled transactions?
To me 2:50 - 3:37 is very important for men who aren't successful yet to hear.
Damm "Discipline equals freedom" three words that instantly blew my mind.
You know what the problem is ? Most boys and girls were forced to practice discipline from elementary sch and we seem to be quite good at it. But for some who do it because of fear of their teachers , parents or punishments think of discipline as their enemy instead of their ally until it's too late they discard this crucial skill because it has hurt them for so long.
If you enjoyed that you should check out Jocko Willink.
"are you sure she's not just 20 and dehydrated?" hahah!
Rogan and Peterson are actually on the same page. Peterson just didn't use the best phrasing and it caused a perceived disagreement. He has always been an advocate for self improvement and individual responsibility.
More like the interviewer (a feminist) took what he said out of context too push a narrative
Yes - and of excercise and proper eating.
Yeah the title kinda oversimplifies the conversation these two are having about Peterson.
Both assume the preferences of female validate men, and both hock utter bullshit about women being judges of character.
peterson doesnt have a page, hes just a vacuum of meaning. he says the way to stop the incel problem is forced monogamy. when challenged on how awful that is as a concept he says well, i just meant marriage...
ok to the problem of incels, according to jordan, is going to be fixed by introducing this thing to society called marriage.
the problem is we already have marriage, its already the social norm, and we still have incels. so what is peterson actually saying?
hes saying nothing, words are coming out of his pathetic grifting mouth and people who are not that smart are lapping them up and actually, theres nothing there. he says nothing, he has no points, hes a complete intellectual vacuum that sells books and live shows that fund his lifestyle.
Joe "I do martial arts" Rogan
Joe "The Toe" Bro-gan
Really?!
He does...He can push the soul out of your body. Check out his kicks on UA-cam
Van Tazz it has value if your standing in front of him and he wants to fuck you up
Van Tazz and who the fuck cares about Incels shitty and self contradicting philosophies? Incels are sore ass losers nobody should feel sorry for them because that’s what they want... they live with a victim mentality over 60% of all Incels Don’t work.. can’t work with anyone they’re shitty people
Next debate: why assisted suicide isn't allowed
Women love only Chads even though they are criminals.
LMAO. That's not true. I'm a 5'7 nerdy motherfucker and I do alright 😂 I even did okay when I was broke. Women like confidence. They also like excitement. In a way you have to be their entertainer. Personally I chilled on the dating these days because I'm focusing on chasing my dreams, but if I wanted to start dating again, I know I can jump back in pretty easily. Anyone can really. Go to the store. I've seen some ugly fat dudes with girlfriends.
@@reddanger3265 being a clown for women works for you
but for others it doesnt
Being negative, emotional, insecure and blaming women with passion is a major turn off, who wants this?
Just inverse the situation, are you attracted to a woman who blames men and complains all the time about her situation and what a victim she is?
Those women are called feminists.
P.S Most men don't find them attractive.
I think incels need to improve themselves and lower their standards.
@Giant Dude You assume that women aren't going to notice your intent regardless. Women aren't NPCs, they see when you just want in their pants and they smell desperation like a dog smells fear.
Nobody wants somebody with no standards, so 'lower your standards' is just about the shittiest advice ever.
Instead you should become someone who is proud enough and has enough self-esteem to have standards in the first place.
And no, self-esteem usually doesn't from having sex, there is many, much more important things in life. If you realize that, you've taken the first step towards a better self that's more respectful to you and people in your vicinity.
Well obviously they didn't start out with this mindset, it's also a misconception that they all hate women,
There are those amoung them that do approach multiple women (not on some rant but actual cought ship stuff) and have no gripes about conversing with them but they also realise because of their repulsiveness any attempt after a cetain point become futile
What's the point of being a strong confident bachelor if your face looks like it's been run through a floor buff, genes don't always mix
Okay for a lot of them that isn't the case but, online dating, social media and modern vanity, have made it much more difficult, and what should be average men, are seen as less because of it
@@couchpotatoe91 you treat women, like they have some kind of super power, "they know when you have fear" like wtf no human has that capacity.
@@omanovicdino3017 nice misquotation/strawman argument. I said they smelled desperation like a dog smells fear. I'm not 100% sure about the latter, but I know about the former because it's an ability every human has.
Desperation and neediness go hand in hand with a need for validation in this case. This can be expressed via behaviors like constant putting oneself down for hope of validation from the person you're talking to.
This can be exhausting with friends, but people do it because they care about the other person.
People who are already lonely and have this big need to fill a void will constantly try too hard. This comes off as super desperate.
My "they smell fear" was a figure of speech. What I meant was that people (in this case women) can tell through interaction when somebody is trying to proof himself as a partner and acts artificially instead of being their honest self. Women generally prefer the latter though as they want to see how somebody is during a long-term relationship. And they want somebody who has standards and wouldn't settle for anybody because they feel valuable that way.
Joe Rogan is what would happen if you brought a TapOut shirt to life with weird science.
xD
😂😂
The part about discipline is the real gem in this clip. I know I needed to hear that.
After thinking it through, im going to have to agree with Jordan. Yea these guys need to become Attractive, but if society isnt encouraging monogamous behaviour (Which it is, just less than a few years ago) theres no motivation for these lesser attractive guys to go out there and make themselves attractive or confident
lmaooo I agreed with jordan peterson from the start. Even if we encourage men to work their ass off and improve the issue is by the time those men are good candidates for women they have been pumped and dumped by millions of chads and tyrones and have become undatable. Enforcing monogamy is the solution to the current western dating problem. There's no other solution. That doesn't mean women can't choose though. Pick a guy and stick to him b*tch
@@loverofhumanity Why does virginity matter to you so much?
@@A.S._Trunks its biologically engrained and culturally reinforced. That's why.
@@loverofhumanity How is it biologically engrained?
@@A.S._Trunks has to do with males knowing with certainty the offspring is theres. If a guy sleeps with a nonpromiscuous virgin he would be more certain the offspring is his. Even in the animal kingdom paternity is important to the extent many animals will actually murder offspring when they cant ensure paternity.
A woman can always be certain the child is hers.
Marriage won’t work. Take teakwandoo classes instead! Thank you Joe.
Ironically, even this oversimplification isn't that far from the truth.
i criticized physical activity, not oversimplification
Ironically, this lack of reading skills makes it quite far from the truth.
+Collector Duck though provoking
Ernest. Just look at Norway's Anders Behring Breivik. Get them in shape and armed and you create a terrorist.
Joe: It doesn’t get easier
Also Joe: The hardest step is the first step.
Okay Joe
I think he’s saying the first step doesn’t get easier. Initiating your mornings, activities, progressions towards goals etc.
With the former, he was referring to the fact that it doesn't get any easier in the long run to start difficult tasks. With the latter, he was stating that the hardest thing about starting a particular task is the very act of starting. Highly related but two different things, there's no contradiction there.
@Flahg Doe how much do you love it when people takes your jokes seriously and correct you on them. Lighten up folks.
@@alunpassey4778 exactly dude 😂😂
People trying to get all philosophical. It’s joke people
You have to take the first step every day. It gets easier after that. But then you start over tomorrow.
I can relate to Joe trying to maintain a consistent workout routine, to be persistent you do just have to do it no matter what until it just comes your routine.
I did martial arts as a kid, I got bullied like shit for it! But, It paid off in later life. Self control, self awareness, alertness and the willingness to risk failure... Done me well in life. Would recommend it to anyone, especially youngsters.
A honestly think most people "settle" when it comes to finding a mate, I see this in the faces of men at Walmart all the time.
That's cuz you're in Walmart lol
I see it on the women’s faces too
☝🏻 this dude nailed it. Folks ya gotta embrace the suckiness of life and do your best to make your life and the lives of those around you just a little bit less sucky.
@ClandestineOstrich people are simply not realistic and have like you said unhealthy outlook on life. this is currently because of our audacity to think we deserve something especially a human being like its a property. this is especially evident with women today hence a nightmarish scene. people settle because they assume society will take care of them if they do what society tells them to. but society doesnt anymore yet it still perpetuates this script. most people are either out of touch with reality of things or simply dont want to admit this fact due to their personal inadequacies be it insecurity or anything else. time to get real as they say.
I work with loads of thirty something lonely "shagged out" single women who didn't settle because they thought they were "too good" for the guys they knew and waited on marriage until they passed their expiration date. They are the most lonely pathetic individuals. Sometimes settling can bring some measure of happiness.
What would forced marriage do for them? It would make them feel even worse. They’d be sleeping on the couch while their wife gets thrashed by the neighbor in the bedroom
Supposedly bullying these women into marrying by society keeps the violence of loser men domestic instead of them shooting up places.
Yeah we had culturally enforced monogamy in the 50s and it was hell for most people who were not fictional TV characters.
Kryptonite I thought cucks enjoy that. . . An incel would hate it, but be too much of a pussy to say anything
perhaps if they had a cuckold fetish they might like that. the term cuckold merely means to be the husband to a cheating wife
Anyone who wants to experience 1950s-style culturally enforced monogamy can move to China, Korea, or Japan, where husbands and wives aspire to live sham marriages, constantly cheating on each other at love hotels and such. The USA has moved past that.
You cannot make people become something they are not. I am successful. I am extremely intelligent. I am highly unattractive to women. I have not been involved in any way with a woman since 1995. So I have been incel for 25 years. I personally stopped trying to get to know women because the value of the win is not commensurate with the cost of the effort. Essentially, I have to expend a great deal of effort and money pretending to be someone I am not in order to make myself even slightly attractive to someone who likely cannot comprehend who I am.
Stop bothering incels. We do not need or want solutions to what average people consider to be our problems. Perhaps we just like things the way they are. Like any other subculture, we are a spectrum of ideas and personalities. We are not all the same.
Yeah with this kind of personality, I understand why women aren't that interested.
“Just do hard shit bro” while chad only smokes weed and eats pizza all day
He isn’t going to look the same if he does that
Stop being an entitled prick I don’t want to fight you it’s good advice yo stop
Posting comments with immature words like chad what are you an 8th grader?
„it gets easier. but you have to do it every day. that’s the hard part“
Bojack quote
love bojack my dude
But it does get easier....
Love bojack
I dunno. Feels equally hard every day when I workout. But Joe is right -- you have to make it a non-negotiable part of your routine.
Harvey Weinstein had money. Not charisma or intelligence. Lol.
Generally speaking, you do need either charisma or intelligence to make that money unless it was inherited.
N64 Classics he is intelligent hes free after everything and law enforcement coming after him.
@@beepbopboop7727 producer not director.
Producer brings money and connexions.
He was a garbage truck who had a flair for negotiating and making projects happen. That’s how his company valued him so much they covered for him paying hush money in the millions to his most vocal victims for years. He knew he had that leverage from the industry and used it to pressure all types of actresses. Being the best at your job makes you attractive, he had to be a greedy pig.
willo chan let’s be realistic, women are attracted to a talent that generates money,
Labelling people by words like “incel” won’t fix the problem it will just make it worse , everyone has different issues and everyone doesn’t think the same way
@Marcus Straya not every guy who hasn’t got laid hates women or blames them 🤦♂️
They call themselves that. It's not name calling. They are "involuntarily" celibate. But I think it's voluntary if you won't make changes. And Joe is right. Marriage won't fix these guys, even if they somehow get a good woman. And, yes, they are individuals, but there is a common thread. A lot of those guys think too highly of their intelligence, and they are lazy. Trust me. I know.
No one is saying that marriage fixes everything, but one has to also sit and think through the consequences of devaluing emotional intimacy in sexual relationships. Thats what jordan is talking about: what happens when no one needs to learn to emotionally connect with a sexual partner anymore.
👏
it's still a far cry from feeling an emotional connection with someone you're fucking and taking on an extreme burden of responsibility like marriage, that can't be easily backed out of
How to end poverty - just stop being poor
How to end wars - just stop fightng
burkaanc how to not be homeless - just buy a house
4head
@@acraze2287 Pepelaugh He doesnt know
How to get laid - just have sex
How to not be single - just get a girlfriend
Joe Rogan sounds like Rex Kwon do from Napoleon Dynamite. You want a babe like Starla you need to get into martial arts.
Bow to your sensei! LOL
grab my arm
Do you think anybody wants a round house kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys? Forget about it.
Linkous No the other arm.
MY other arm..
Encouraging Marriage, Martial Arts, Fitness, Marathons & Mountain Climbing are just some of the tools in the tool box. What's to disagree‽
FromThe3021 Marriage is incredibly stupid, it screams "I AM BETA". There is no gain in it and you put yourself at the mercy of the woman and the government. Never marry as a rule of thumb.
The rest is okay, but I would focus on more important things, like growing up. Not mentally, literally. Stop being 160cm tall, be 2m tall instead. Everyone will highly respect you for that simple thing alone.
Look at the divorce rates and you'll understand. Marrige in these days became something other than two people getting together and starting a family. It is nothing more than a financial contract today and that's why nobody wants to marry anymore and those who do immediately regrets it afterwards.
@@nihilism6226 what if someone just physically can’t grow that tall
THIS absolutely this, so many young men don't understand themselves and the actual issues they have. The scariest of them just blame women. So whether its martial arts, losing weight, learning new skills, whatever. You have to learn more about yourself, and find out what you can do.
The worst part, is for all these guys that think having a hot gf will fix them, it won't. They would still feel insecure.
I'd honestly rather just kill myself at this point.
@@smoqueed44
What is missing from your life?
@@demgphix Anything I tell you will result in me sounding like I'm pitying myself. Regardless, I haven't been happy in a very long time, and I've wasted my youth. I'm just working up the nerve at this point.
@@smoqueed44
I am very sorry to hear that, I don't know what you've been through, or how old you are. But I will say, youth is a great part of life, its not the only part though. Before taking the out, why not go all in and change what js wrong, or missing from your life? If you have nothing to lose, then you have no reason not to.
Man listening to some of these incels is just sad
A lot of them are broken
And a lot of them are so far gone that they are just psychopaths
I don't know what to say anymore man
These men will go through the worse adversity like "divorce rape" . This will increase there confidence LOL..
Yeah right good sarcasm there 😂
I sincerely wish that I only had a motivation problem. I've spent the last 20 years with non-stop, relentless, unavoidable nerve pain in my leg. No amount of willpower will let me do the things I want.
Those if you that are healthy but just can't find the willpower to do what you want, be thankful that you can and go do it!
That sucks, brother. I have a health condition that often hijacks my life, it's hard. Hang in there.
Hunter Hill , Thank you. You as well!
Feel yah man
Try toilet paper.
What is causing the nerve pain? Is it an impingment?
When Dave Rubin says smart things, hes usually rephrasing someone else's words
i just came here to read the winy comments made by people who will not take responsibility for their lives while hypocritically telling fat people (correctly) to take responsibility
@Deus Vult. the best part of this comment is the fact that it’s ‘edited’
I love hearing Joe say "It doesn't get easier". It's so right and it's so discouraging when you keep expecting something to get easier and hope that you're gonna start going on autopilot cleaning the dishes, working out, doing the laundry etc when it's just as boring/hard everytime. At least when someone tells you it doesnt get easier you know what to expect.
That was like 1 minute talking about incels and the rest was a motivational speech from Rogan.
Isn't it great to hear motivational speeches?
Seems like a pretty good way to get rid of some incels
@@1999studios
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
@@1999studios What does this mean? Incels don't like hearing motivational speeches so they leave, or they need to hear it so they grow out of being an incel?
@@jagerbomb sugarcoating reality is sure nice...
Joe you been blessed with a great life through hard work and discipline. Shit has more than worked out for you. It just ain't that way for everyone and life kicks your ass over and over. You come across a lil condescending towards guy's who just can't seem to get any good fortune. He'll lately I been struggling. I've lost a lot and it is hard to overcome some of the loss mentally. I'm trying even though I feel like shit keeps getting worse that the day before.
hes not worked that hard. he was a stand up, he presented a show, he calls on fights and he talks to people on a podcast. hes had an easy life, everything he does in his life are things other people would do for a hobby if you gave them a billion dollars and said hey, you never have to work again, go enjoy yourself.
single mums who work 2 jobs 60 hours a week 51 weeks a year for 15 years straight to keep a roof over their kids heads work hard, joe likes to talk the talk but his life has been a casual hobby trek on easy mode.
@@necaacen that’s savage
@@necaacen so stand up is easy?
How about we hear some jokes?
@@nerkfumgogi798 you wanna hear a joke? thinking standing on stage for half an hour at night and telling some jokes is hard work.
they put a net around the bottom of the buildings where they work making iphones in china to catch people who jump off the roof trying to kill themselves because they basically work in modern slavery doing horrific hours in a truly awful job getting paid virtually nothing. you wanna go tell those guys a man who is a multimillionaire from standing on stage and telling jokes for about an hour a week has a hard job?
you want to tell people leaving their house at 6am on a winter morning to go do an 11 hour shift of manual labour out doors on a building site that a comedian who will get out of bed hung over at mid day and smoke a joint while he he tries to put together a story about how his friend shit his pants on a school trip to tell on stage that weekend has a really hard job?
grow up m8.
@@necaacen i work 9-5...its not that special.
If you wanna compare everyones existance to a sweatshop in china then yea were all very privileged.
But the world isn't black n white...maybe for you i don't know what is the "retard" color spectrum is.
I need to grow up?
THATS A REALLY GOOD ONE.
Maybe your right and being a standup is easy you should try it someday.(that is if you can get over yourself.)
"I just do it cuz that's what I do"
for a bunch of people who think competition in the marketplace fixes everything, they sure don't have that opinion when it comes to women. Interesting.
The visibly throbbing dick of the market.
lmaooooo
It seems we actually have found a bug within the market operating system; that has repeatable recursions within the system. interesting
interesting how you can't tell the difference between finding love and companionship and economic models. Sounds like the sort of dude who rents his companionship by the hour
good non sequitur there genius. the "sexual marketplace" is a made up comment by mgtow who think the only important part of a relationship is physical when in reality its emotional and mental all 3 of which play a part in courtship and getting a partner. but keep blaming your beer belly instead of your perspective.
SHINY FOREHEAD CONTEST
Those are tactical shiny foreheads. How is a sniper gonna make a clear shot when he's blinded?
“Those guys have to be men”
Well, everyone has their own understanding of what “being a man” means, so that statement doesn’t really say anything. But he was correct when he said “confidence”. That’s all it takes. You can be a physically unattractive, unemployed “loser”, with no confidence in yourself regarding almost every aspect of your life... and you could still have confidence in your ability to get laid. And if you do, then you will.
a lot of trash with confidence getting laid to. lol
@@antoinevandepoel1773 absolutely. Confidence is confidence. It isn’t a respecter of person’s. Jordan, Ali, Elvis, Hitler... they all had confidence. If a person chooses to waste their their self confidence on simply getting laid, they are free to do so, but that isn’t really “self-confidence”, and the person deserves to face the consequences of their skewed priorities.
I use my guitar analogy for everything. And just think about it.
I taught myself guitar. It's not hard. But I've had people ask me throughout my life "can you teach me to play".... my answer is always an immediate no.
The only reason I learned was because I wanted to bad enough.
I'm single because obviously I somehow don't WANT something bad enough. If you want something enough you'll change yourself to get it.
Exactly
As a very good self-taught guitarist myself, I disagree. Chances are you gravitated towards it and stuck with it because you have a natural affinity for it. Some people want to play desperately but need lessons. You're single because the society you belong to is unbalanced right now. It's not about wanting something bad enough. I wanted a girlfriend and pussy when I was younger 20, sucked at it, and it was a great source of distress because I didn't have the tools (and a bunch of other reasons). I'm 46 and I worry about Gen-Z because I see my old self in them.
"Become a man, like Harvey Weinstien"
I like that saying discipline equals freedom 👍
Clifford Starks i also like to say that the price of freedom. Is responsibility. So it kinda all ties together doesn't it?
J Alvarez Yes it truly does👍
The shy Incel would never kill ladys, the narcissist does
Incels are not just uncertain, they are in the same time narcissistic and think they have the right for women only cause the are men. There is also a lot of arrogance involved. The shy Incel would never kill ladys, would first kill himself, the narcissist with his gloriosity mindset hates women cause they are not sharing their overblown selfview, an ugly mindset.
If you haven't already.. Fucking' buy and read that book! Fucking awesome!
MMA Fanatic Book from Jordan, or Jacko?
I’m 24 years old pretty much my entire life I’ve never done anything. Failed school, couldn’t hold down a job, depressed, anxiety, suicidal thoughts. 6 months ago I decided I would stop eating garbage and start working out and I feel like a completely different human. Much more confidence, assertiveness and drive. My energy levels never crash. I can do what I need to do all day. There’s an amazing feeling when the weight you couldn’t even think of lifting when you first start is what you’re lifting now and it only gets better. At first it was something I tried and now it’s something I do and look forward to.
@B G I’m not an addict, I’m just disciplined.
LETS GOOOOOOO
Keep up the good work.
i honestly think hes right, i was an incel for years, though never physically unattractive my mind was. martial arts completely changed me completely, slowly but surely
So many incels don’t realise that it’s their personalities that ruin it. I love nerdy guys. Especially if they are smart and care about others. I really don’t like guys who think they are entitled to sleep with hundreds of women and that women should be back Im the kitchen.
Im glad you’ve got over that. I’m sure you find yourself with lots of options nowadays since you no longer see women as the enemy.
As an incel I kinda identify with Joe Rogan because he is short and bald.
@@nemosnemo8869 Honestly, I've began to get better at confidence through bodybuilding, but I really can't seem to shake my hatred of women. I simply well and truly don't like them.
@@smoqueed44 read the bible brah
@@smoqueed44 well it’s a bit like saying you don’t like dogs because one or two bit you. Not all dogs bite and neither do all women. It’s just there are a lot of crappy selfish people around now and you have to trawl through the mud to find your gold. It’s depressing though.
Glad you are enjoying working out. I’m not myself when I’ve not. Need to get those happy hormones wherever I can. Plus I like feeling fit and strong (for a girl - my vanity won’t let me lift things that ruin my feminine appearance).
The problem with anger is that it eats at you. You let it go not for them but for your own mental health. And maybe when it’s gone some of the decent girls will take notice. And if they don’t, you can focus on you and the things you want to achieve. You cannot lose.
There are males who "become men" yet still end up finding it hard to get a partner. Especially if they're in a situation where there's a lot of competition. We see this a lot with dating sites where the men outnumber the women.
Life isn't always that simple although being a "man" is obviously a good idea and it helps.
incels aren't attractive because they lack character.
Bonfire-Chan I agree, looks aren’t everything. Doing the basics (showering, wash your face, brushing your teeth, brushing your hair, put on deodorant), is the foundation, but it has to be built on that foundation, and it isn’t going to get there overnight. Once you have self respect, you start to figure what your identity is, and what you have of value that you could provide to others. But, feeling sorry for yourself and pointing fingers at the world isn’t going to get you there. Looks aren’t everything, but you have to know what your value is.
Incel 3/10 nerds with bad facial hair and questionable fashion sense goes for
Smoking hot 8/10 girls and say shit to them like "I love you" when they hardly know them and then they wonder why they don't get laid or they go for the be her friend tactic and then spend 6 months trying to pluck up the courage to ask them out and the crazy thing is in the first two weeks of them being friends with this female the female will say to herself on numerous occasions "is he gonna ask me for sex yet" "guess not he must just want to be friends with me, maybe he is gay"
This whole incel thing seems to stem from the fact that it's much easier for people to connect now and women don't have to settle for whatever schmuck happens to be at the bar on a given night. If someone can't compete in that environment then it means they need to work on themselves.
@@howsjames1 True, but it can also make certain people more selective to a fault in some cases. I think it's a symptom of the paradox of choice.
For incel or no incel , : In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money , you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women. from scarface.
You know Scarface was invented by Hollywood
@@ndnrb_ Yes
“Good like ice cream?”
@@ndnrb_ oh shit really? WOOOWW
Quotes from Pedowood.
Really it should be :
You get the money, power, then the gold digging/corrupt witches infected with herpes, npc materialistic sheep creatures, sucking your energy everyday.
"Don't try. " Charles Bukowski
Wrong context.
OMG, Yoda was him all the time disguised as a puppet!?
My inspiration is my ex. I do all the things she said I couldn't or wouldn't.
That's the way to do it bro, it's the best kind of revenge
Y’all seem to be ignoring the real message here which is mainly what comes after the incel conversation. Joe Rohan is so goddamn disciplined in everything he does and he has so many side hustles that I can only imagine how happy he is. That’s a genuine superpower in my opinion
True dat
I always thought he was more of a Joe Gondor. My opinion tho
Agreed he's a major success in many different facets which makes him not only the man he is but who is amounted to become through introspection.
Finally a comment thread that gets it
FOR ROHAN!
“They have to become men” so should women be women? Can you say that also?
Unfortunately women don't need to do anything. They are considered women by virtue of having a vagina.
He's saying that incels are children and they should grow up
Yeah they should boys have to become men and girls have to become women. He’s talking about men you on some different shiit
@@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 I'm not on some different "shiit" I wanted to stress out the fact that responsibilities are in a disproportionate level put on men as burdens. Men need to do something to be men. Women just are women by the virtue of being. This is a well known phenomenon that I though would go well here.
I don’t think it necessarily gets “easier” it’s more about your motivation currently imo
Joe "I don't like that one thing someone said so I'm going to laser focus on it and ignore the rest of their argument" Rogan
If we are just talking purely incel vs getting laid no esoteric elements: “the one” or “connection” then cash is king. Other than that it’s just about the social situation or praxis you happen to be in. For example I’ve worked a boring 9-5 in a boring town and not got much action then moved to working in tourism in a fun tourist resort and got loads, it’s nothing to do with how manly I was, I was the same dude, but like most things in life it was purely the circumstances I happened to find myself... but this explanation won’t sell many books or get many views 🤣🤣🤣
It'll get a few likes and the appreciation of strangers at least
They'd have to admit the arbitrariness of women too, while both are certain of some righteousness hidden intrinsically in female nature that we must submit to for validation. Admitting appeal to vapidity and greed work better than anything kills their "real men" get righteously laid shill.
But it's REAL. And it's HONEST. Women only want that.
Really.
100% its opportunity. Working as a bartender is going to get you much more opportunities than working as a truck driver. Otherwise you have to get into hobbies and activities that provide opportunities to meet people.
You’re right - luck or circumstances is an important factor which gets easily ignored for some reason
I think what Jordan means by cultural monogamy being part of the solution to the incel problem is that monogamy locks one man to one woman so, in effect, there would be more women available for the rest of men who can pair bond with more or less the same number of women in the population and thus lower the number of incels. This does NOT mean that incels don't have to get their shit together regardless, it just mathematically makes it more viable to pair bond if the top 10% of men aren't hogging all the women which is something that is resolved through monogamy.
Female incels are a thing too. top 10% chads aren't cruising for 4's when 8's are available.
no they aren't. even a fat disgusting horrible stupid no money having woman can find some thirsty beta who will pamper her pussy. women don't even have to try to get laid, their main problem is sifting through all their offers of getting laid.
look at tinder for example, even the most average chick has to sift through a bunch of matches meanwhile the average guy gets his heart racing when he finally matches with a girl just to find out she was a bot.
you ever think it's more your shitty attitude and rude vindictive remarks that make you a beta, and not because you lack muscles, money, or women?
But it's just a stupid assumption that "the top 10%" of men are hording all the women. Give me a break! Online dating wouldnt be so widespread if that were true. Non monogamy or short term relationships obviously create MORE people available for dating. Lemme tell you, I'm 40, and all the half decent dudes are all married with kids now,so the dating pool has shrunk considerably than when I was in my 20s. Back then people were sleeping around more and not being as serious.
Some people are undateable. Both men and women. I don't know what to tell them, except maybe they should meet up and do work to be more interesting people. It's less about looks than "vibe".
Watching Joe Rogan reminds me of why I'll never amount to anything.
why is that ?
@@abramslion1 Probably because for some people it really is just fucking impossible to do anything. I've been trying to lose weight for five years, and I've only gained weight. Suicide is just some people's fate.
I was a borderline incel until I stopped playing the victim, sorted through my past trauma and started fighting my fears. In about 5-6 months I lost my virginity and now I have a girl I regularly sleep with.
All it takes is for us to get off our ass and start improving on ourselves.
true and it goes for girls as well. Girls get rejected all the time, for not all girls are the hot type most men want.
@@Daniela-pr7rz Fuckin' please. Women don't chase men at all. Fuck off with your myths.
@@smoqueed44 not all cultures are the same, so fuck off with your ignorance.
@@Daniela-pr7rz Culture lmao. Its biology. Men compete for women and women choose their men its how its always been.
@@eloelo6944Hey bro,
no,
it is not.
These incels should start a podcast
That's what they told Joe Rogan and here he is
to be fair. reality is bad and terrible. as jordan peterson puts it, we are born into tragedy
They have podcasts. Listen at your own peril
Matt Jobone if You want to listen to a bunch of pussies, there’s plenty of queefing videos around.
Joe rogan already beat em lol
Just become rich and famous, bro,its easy!
lift kettle bells and do martial arts! It will make you a man.
@@dgjdub7 Also take responsability, it will be great too
Hahahaha lmao.
Just don't be a loser lol
just travel back in time and alter your genetics bro
He just motivated me more than anyone else ever had... you do it because you do it...
Overcoming physical adversity. I like how you put that. I think it's exactly right. 👏
I disagree. It's not the first step that's the hardest. It's the fifth step. First step is a matter of making a bold declaration, "I WILL make a change!" Then... comes the second step, and it's a little harder. And then the third, the fourth... generally speaking, that's when people tend to quit, in my experience. When it's become too much like work, and the initial resolve has begun to fade, and things haven't become a new routine yet... that's the hard part. Too many people are good at taking that first step... again, and again, and again, and never quite making it up to the double digits.
Very well said.
Maybe the people doing it again and again etc. weren’t genuinely committed to taking that first step each time, and that’s why people say the first step is the hardest because it’s not just about deciding to start, it’s about deciding to start AND stay committed, like you were saying, through that 5th step and beyond.
that's only true when you have motivation involved, if you are not hyped about workout, and go workout for the first time, it's the hardest, then you know the place, your routine is a little bit better, it's more clear to you what to do etc. but I do agree, the fifth step, even if motivation is not involved is hard as fuck, it shows you that there's still much work to do and that even after let's say 5 days of studying you barely moved to your goal and the success won't just magically fall onto your lap, and you still have years and years of hard work ahead, when you realize that, accept it and still keep moving, that's when it gets a bit easier
Damn true.
So true. A
Why tf do these random political terms just get popular all of a sudden. Like I never have heard of the term incels before and now I hear the word about 10x a day.
Same goes for the term identity politics
It was an internet subculture term for a long time that suddenly appeared in a New York Times or Atlantic article recently which then provokes a bunch of imitation articles and gets it in the normal mainstream conversation. Of course it gets equated with the article definition which is a little different than the original meaning. For example incel now means not just someone who can't get laid but someone who is a misogynist and potential school shooter. Originally it just meant an involuntary celibate AKA someone who can't get laid and doesn't have a choice in the matter
It was a convenient term to use as a boogieman after a shooting.
Reparian ` because normies just discovered a group of weirdos that have been online for ages
Incel = pathetic loser
"Enforced monogamy" doesn't actually mean what it sounds like. It doesnt mean forcing people to get married. There's a lot of confusion on this. It means societal pressure to live monogamously rather than a polyamorous lifestyle.
Such a sexually liberated term, “Enforced monogamy.” “marriage is oppressive cuz i don’t want to be chained to my poor decisions but still want to take half my man’s money without having to deal with kids.”
What happens when all men learn martial arts and only the best among them get laid? I doubt the green belts get laid when you got a bunch of black belt guys walking about. On an individual level it's still great advice I just don't think it's gonna even out the spread of sexual encounters (unless difference in skill is lesser).
well this is the problem with right wing thinking, ironically promoted by people like jordan peterson. it says you just need to be successful, it promotes a dog eat dog world and then says just be the dog that eats not the dog thats eaten.
by necessity for every dog who eats theres a dog who gets eaten, maybe 10,000s who get eaten. its musical chairs, when the music stops there are less chairs than there are people who are trying to sit in them. the reality is that this sort of 'just get good lel' culture of right wing thinking is promoted and understood by people at the top of the food chain, most of whom got their by unfair advantage, to people who dont understand it at the bottom of the food chain because they need their support for a system that maintains and increased their unfair advantage.
@@necaacen Never seen anyone put it into words so eloquently. This is exactly right. And I'm in disbelief that even smart guys like jordan peterson cant see the fault in that logic. There will always be men who get the short end of the stick. His idea for enforced monogamy actually makes sense though and its the only solution to the current dating crisis in the west
What Joe leaves out, is that it's a very slow and gradual process to get to his level. Once you get fitter, it gets easier. He's lying if if says it's the same as when he first started.
Yeah, he was just pulling out that David Goggins guy's talking points cuz it sounded good when he was a guest.
Sometimes a rebuild helps. Rebuilding requires patience.
There is a saying...
"Those who have, get."
You dont gotta get on his level to find fullness in life though
Yeah, it takes hard work. And the women that you lust after, they work hard at it too.
It takes hard work to stay in great shape. So a woman who loves cross-fit isn't gonna be attracted to the overweight guy who loves Japanese animation and online video games
If a beautiful woman rejects a guy who's a dud, then she's labeled as "stuck up and shallow"......you do realize that there are women who are deemed unattractive, right? Those women lust after guys who are out of their league as well
All you can do is work hard to make yourself the person you want to be
Joe- “I did martial arts therefore every kid should and they’ll turn out just like me” Rogan. 😂😂😂 dudes letting all that TRT go to his head
Yet he simply did not say that. Misquoting someone is for jr. high school kids and it's really pathetic. It's pure weakness.
testosterone is helluva drug
How stupid do you have to be to misunderstand what he said.
Martial arts do help people in many ways, it's a common known fact.
The responsibilities that come with a dedicated relationship are difficult and in order to amount to such a task and do it well, you must in fact become a proper and true man.
That’s what Jordan meant, in my mind, about socially encouraged monogamy. Also the discipline of finding one partner to dedicate themselves too being encouraged from a cultural, and societal level also adds onto the building of mature mindsets for men.
Joe is intelligent and I respect him but what Jordan said makes absolute perfect sense. Instead of
“They just need to become men,”
Joe agrees with Jordan, but Jordan actually brings a solution that was just a bit complex where Joe didn’t fully receive it I don’t think when he first heard it.
yes! Joe literally made Jordan's argument without realizing it. Why strawman him like that Joe? Me no like
@@mrmanju6989 exactly
100% agree. Work on yourself, every day again. Develop a set of skills, become useful.