Do you drink alcohol? As I got older I found that alcohol caused me to experience rebound insomnia. I'd get to sleep, but wake up within two to three hours and not be able to fall back asleep. I quit drinking and the problem went away. I wasn't an alcoholic and only drank moderately and occasionally before quitting, so it wasn't hard for me. I know alcoholics who quit cold turkey after years of drinking and had seizures, so you may need to be medicated in an inpatient program if you've been a daily drinker for years. Alcohol withdrawal can actually kill you.
Im totally the opposite, if i drank alcohol i could have a full 8 or 9 hours sleep, i quit alcohol about 4 or 5 month's ago, never been a heavy heavy drinker, now i am sober. A good nights sleep for me is 2 hours of sleep, it absolutely sucks. It almost makes me want to start drinking again! 🤬🤬@dizzyspinner648
Thanks for the info. I just turned 60. Melatonin does nothing for me. Benadryl has a bad reaction and makes my heart race. Doxylamine is the only thing that helps. I just take 3/4 of a pill at night, and I skip at least a couple nights a week to try to not build it up in my system. Nothing works perfectly though. You would think there would be something better by now.
Kirkland Signature Allergy Medicine 25 mg., 600 Minitabs for under $8. It has Diphenhydramine HCl 25mg, the same as Benadryl. I currently use Costco's Sleep Aid. I was told by the pharmacist that you don't have to increase the dosage if you regularly use it.
You're looking so much beautiful with pretty black dress and you give us best information about sleep meds very well. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS & YOUR FAMILY TOO.
Benadryl should not be taken unless you need it for an alergic reaction it puts up the pressure in your eye and if not controlled that can cause loss of eyesight.
Doctor- I'm glad you mentioned lifestyle changes. If you need to walk or exercise more, do it! If sleeping problems persist see your doctor. If you need Rx sleepers for a while, then use them according to your doctor's instructions. I hate taking drugs for their side-effects. Take drugs that were designed for your pathology- not drugs that were designed for something else (like allergies) that have a side effect that seems to help but causes unwanted changes in your body. Sweet dreams.
THC oil. [RSO..Rick Scott Oil ] 1 drop the size of a grain of rice under the tongue before bed. Allows for a cozy sleep and no next day grogginess. Try it. You'll like it! 👍
yes it is, pain relief and sleep aid. It is a more direct from mother earth product than anything out of a lab and anything can be abused, it is up to each to choose......no msg, no high fructose corn syrup, as little as possible of canned for and NO boxed garbage keeps my medicine chest empty, Shalom@@Ginger-s1z
so is asprin, a judicious application of any drug is essential and people think off the shelf stuff is safe and it is just not so....too much milk is bad....again, i am 70 and there are no drugs in my medicine cabinet.....all my meds are in the form of teas, herbs and medicinal mushrooms@@Drh1953
The best way to fall asleep. Get the room cold by turning down the air conditioner have enough cover on the bed to stay warm buy an electric fan turn it on high turn all the lights off so the room will be totally dark then you will sleep like a baby.
The more natural way to get more sleep and, it help build bone strength= Magnesium Glycinate: This type of magnesium helps calm and relax your body naturally, this type of magnesium is better absorbed in the body. It costs slightly more but, it's worth it. If you take in a complete liquid complete mineral balance with Coral Calcium too, it will help shut down your system at night and, keeps you from getting Osteoporosis. How simple is that? I'm not a doctor either, just a fit 61 year old male that wants people improve thier quality of life without putting toxins in your body.
Also, if you have Restless Leg Syndrome like many people do, stay away from anti-histamines as it will trigger it and keep you up all night. Best to just get a prescription for Ambien from your doctor and cut into 3rds
@@monarene44 What do you mean by ‘your brain is still asleep’?? And, Ambien is not very addictive. It’s a schedule IV drug. It has a very LOW addiction rate. Yes, it’s addictive. But no more than alcohol, IMHO. Just don’t abuse it.
@@dr.OgataSerizawa Low addiction is still addiction. I took Ambien every night for 4 years and your brain can go to sleep in the day. It happened to me and it’s in the literature. I’m pretty sure Tiger Woods had taken Ambien the night before his car verved off into the ravine that morning a few years ago.
@@monarene44- yep, I agree. My sister used to take it and gave me one to try. She would eat loads of candy and buy stuff online and not remember doing it. I lit a candle being on ambien once and burned a huge hole in the table of my hotel room. I only took it when I was in bed except this one time, I decided to take a bath. It hit me and I was doing stupid things and passed out. It can be very dangerous.
What about that Ashwagandha right at eye level in front of you? I am experimenting with YT black screen brown noise, fan noice, light rain, train noises. Have fallen asleep with earbuds in, probably not good. 🤓🤭🤥😂. P.S. You are in the right field and have a very calming way of speaking. 👍
I always found if melatonin didn’t work, I’d drink a small amount of brandy before going to bed. However, now I take immunosuppressive medication for a kidney transplant so I shouldn’t drink before bed - I’m back to the melatonin which works sometimes but not all the time. I’ve also used falling rain videos on UA-cam and found they actually work the best!
Um, yes you should really try to avoid taking more than a few mg of melatonin (I don't have a degree so feel free to take anything I have to say with a grain of salt) at a time, for most people you only produce about 1-2 mg naturally to promote the sleep-wake cycles
I first used a whole pill (25 mg) of doxylamine but it kept me groggy for most of the next day. Then I tried a 1/2 pill. Still too much. Then I tried 1/4 pill and it was still too much. Finally, I took a 1/8 of a pill and it was perfect.
Got hooked on Unisom…long time taking it…not good for the heart (antihistamines specifically old generation). I knew the potential risk but got hooked till one day I stopped. They help - just be careful cause they can mess with the heart.
My DO suggested Valerian supplement (vs tea) and it is the most effective natural sleep aid I've ever used. I tried melatonin but it gave me nightmares.
I'm 50 melatonin and things like Unisom do not work for me at all. Unisom only makes me feel sleeping and yucky when I get up and part way through the day. I have not tried Benadryl.
I take the Equate brand and it takes forever to kick in and when I wake up I feel hungover. I'd rather have Xanax because it acts fast and I feel refreshed when I wake up. Only problem is I can't find a doctor to prescribe it for me.
Great job. I’m have several advanced degrees, one on biology, a Ph.d and J.D.. As I was listening to this, I began to recognize there was serious analysis and sound advice going on here. Then… I read… you know about what the heck you speak. Great job, Dr.. This was an informative and useful post. Thank you. Really.
What about older men with prostate issues taking melatonin? I've heard this is "not good" to take either with this specific population and health issue.Your thoughts.
OK I am 41 since I was 15. I was struggled to fall asleep and stay asleep. I cannot remember the last time I got actual natural rim sleep. And I can take up to 10 mg of melatonin before I feel sleepy. What do you suggest someone like me should take. And when I had surgery last the anesthesiologist told me he gave me enough medication to put a horse down. Because I kept waking up during surgery.
I’m allergic to Tylenol and Benadryl makes me crawly and restless. Melatonin does nothing except keep me awake. It’s all a bunch of crap. I do better not sleeping rather than taking any drug. What DOES help is a high protein dinner, magnesium, and a glass of red wine.
fellow insomiacs: follow the Andrew Huberman Lab protocol for sleep (google it or find the podcast episode, trust me). Benadryl is a great sleep aid, but if you have insomnia for more than a month, id try other supplements (approved by your doctor). Its easy to need more and more benadryl, in my experience (and its kind of habit forming). I have my best luck with magnesium powder. good luck!!
Magnesium glycinate- Is it the best one for sleep or is mag citrate? I don't have a problem going to sleep but sometimes waking up at 3am and can't get back to sleep. Also is there any laxative affect with either? Would try natural remedies before any synthetic drug.
not a doctor...but from my understnading, mag glycinate is most recommended for sleep. citrate is def more a laxative. however some people experience laxative effects with any magnesium type. Sensitivity to it varies person to person, so always start small and play with the dose if you can. talk to your doctor as well. @@gayle9428
@@emmcee476 I take one as needed and use the generic brand. I maybe have to use it twice a week. I have heard that others take it more often. I take it when I know I have to get a decent sleep that night and then when I have not had a good sleep for several nights.
Kalium Phosphoricum 6X/biochemic tablets and there are more than dozens of medicine present to address such situation and have found it very useful in insomnia and related symptoms but strictly recommend it using a proper guidance from a homoeopathic physician first
Thank you for this information. My problem isn't falling asleep, it's staying asleep.
Do you drink alcohol? As I got older I found that alcohol caused me to experience rebound insomnia. I'd get to sleep, but wake up within two to three hours and not be able to fall back asleep. I quit drinking and the problem went away. I wasn't an alcoholic and only drank moderately and occasionally before quitting, so it wasn't hard for me. I know alcoholics who quit cold turkey after years of drinking and had seizures, so you may need to be medicated in an inpatient program if you've been a daily drinker for years. Alcohol withdrawal can actually kill you.
Same..
Valerian and Gaba is best for staying asleep imo
Im totally the opposite, if i drank alcohol i could have a full 8 or 9 hours sleep, i quit alcohol about 4 or 5 month's ago, never been a heavy heavy drinker, now i am sober. A good nights sleep for me is 2 hours of sleep, it absolutely sucks. It almost makes me want to start drinking again! 🤬🤬@dizzyspinner648
I didn’t know I had a neurological disorder until I had a Sleep Study. My Sleep Specialist was able to proscribe an appropriate therapy.
Doxylamine usually works for me. I take it every night. If I lose sleep I get depressed and paranoid, so I have to be able to sleep.
I have been taking one every night for 10 years. Kirkland brand at Costco is almost 200 pills for less than 10 bucks
@@Spiderman-tg9kehalf pill works for me but I feel too groggy the next day
@jmm1817 I don't get groggy like with Sominex fortunately
@@Spiderman-tg9ke amazing how potent those little tiny things are
@jmm1817 Yes and after 10 years I have built up no tolerance one still does it
Thanks for the info. I just turned 60. Melatonin does nothing for me. Benadryl has a bad reaction and makes my heart race. Doxylamine is the only thing that helps. I just take 3/4 of a pill at night, and I skip at least a couple nights a week to try to not build it up in my system. Nothing works perfectly though. You would think there would be something better by now.
Try Valerian root. 500 mg. No problem the next day.
Marijuana works after about a few times smoking
Try Quetiapin. Low dose.
Who in the hell takes three quarters of a pill😂😂😂😂😂
@@hectorelmexican4014 I do, dude, since it works best for me. Get a life.
Really important information for us older adults. Thank you
Hylands product for sleep is good and gentle. It was off the market for a while but I saw an ad for it recently. Love their stuff.
Very interesting. Thank you, Dr. Christy.
Benadryl worsen dementia for older adults. I would stay away from long term usage.
Kirkland Signature Allergy Medicine 25 mg., 600 Minitabs for under $8. It has Diphenhydramine HCl 25mg, the same as Benadryl. I currently use Costco's Sleep Aid. I was told by the pharmacist that you don't have to increase the dosage if you regularly use it.
Melatonin never worked for me..
Yes for me. Too can you tell me what helped !?
You're looking so much beautiful with pretty black dress and you give us best information about sleep meds very well. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS & YOUR FAMILY TOO.
Benadryl should not be taken unless you need it for an alergic reaction it puts up the pressure in your eye and if not controlled that can cause loss of eyesight.
I like magnesium. Which many people are difficent in.
What a likeable person!
Thank you for watching!
My wife tried everything... The only thing that helped was Alteril. A blend of L-tryptophan, valerian, melatonin, and chamomile.
Never heard of it, have to try it.
Doctor- I'm glad you mentioned lifestyle changes. If you need to walk or exercise more, do it! If sleeping problems persist see your doctor. If you need Rx sleepers for a while, then use them according to your doctor's instructions. I hate taking drugs for their side-effects. Take drugs that were designed for your pathology- not drugs that were designed for something else (like allergies) that have a side effect that seems to help but causes unwanted changes in your body. Sweet dreams.
THC oil. [RSO..Rick Scott Oil ] 1 drop the size of a grain of rice under the tongue before bed. Allows for a cozy sleep and no next day grogginess. Try it. You'll like it! 👍
Where can I order the THC oil please?
@Deej496 trying to respond to you. Where do you get the THC oil?
I can't speak to the others BUT it even says on the box DO NOT take for long periods of time, it can be addictive just as all the others can.
One hot cup water,one chamomile tea bag,teaspoon of raw honey..juice from 1/4 of a lemon..1/8 TSP ginger...mix well..drink hr before bed. ...cheers
Thank you for the qualifier to try non-med sleep hygiene practices.
Pretty straight up. Much thanks !
Drinking cammomile tea warm milk and melatonin cures my insomnia. Now only camomile tea at 6pm and warm milk at 8pm it really works i stop melatonin
I go with a couple of shots of tequila....70 years old and NO meds in my life....thank you God
My Mom drank a beer before bed and lived until 94.
Tequila is medication
yes it is, pain relief and sleep aid. It is a more direct from mother earth product than anything out of a lab and anything can be abused, it is up to each to choose......no msg, no high fructose corn syrup, as little as possible of canned for and NO boxed garbage keeps my medicine chest empty, Shalom@@Ginger-s1z
Alcohol is a serious drug.
so is asprin, a judicious application of any drug is essential and people think off the shelf stuff is safe and it is just not so....too much milk is bad....again, i am 70 and there are no drugs in my medicine cabinet.....all my meds are in the form of teas, herbs and medicinal mushrooms@@Drh1953
I used to take melatonin but now I just sniff Lavander oil. I sleep through the night.
The best way to fall asleep. Get the room cold by turning down the air conditioner have enough cover on the bed to stay warm buy an electric fan turn it on high turn all the lights off so the room will be totally dark then you will sleep like a baby.
Dr. thanks for taking the time to present this helpful sleep information 😊
Appreciate these over the counter medication PSA's
Melatonin has worked great for me. My Nurse Practitioner says I should take 10 mg as it’s also good for gut health.
The more natural way to get more sleep and, it help build bone strength= Magnesium Glycinate: This type of magnesium helps calm and relax your body naturally, this type of magnesium is better absorbed in the body. It costs slightly more but, it's worth it. If you take in a complete liquid complete mineral balance with Coral Calcium too, it will help shut down your system at night and, keeps you from getting Osteoporosis. How simple is that? I'm not a doctor either, just a fit 61 year old male that wants people improve thier quality of life without putting toxins in your body.
Doesn't work for everyone, unfortunately.
Has done nothing for me...
I should pay for such good advice. Thanks for the free but very useful information. ❤
Also, if you have Restless Leg Syndrome like many people do, stay away from anti-histamines as it will trigger it and keep you up all night. Best to just get a prescription for Ambien from your doctor and cut into 3rds
Very few doctors are going to prescribe that. It’s very addictive and your brain is still asleep even after you wake up.
@@monarene44
What do you mean by ‘your brain is still asleep’??
And, Ambien is not very addictive. It’s a schedule IV drug. It has a very LOW addiction rate.
Yes, it’s addictive. But no more than alcohol, IMHO. Just don’t abuse it.
@@dr.OgataSerizawa Low addiction is still addiction. I took Ambien every night for 4 years and your brain can go to sleep in the day. It happened to me and it’s in the literature. I’m pretty sure Tiger Woods had taken Ambien the night before his car verved off into the ravine that morning a few years ago.
@@monarene44”Brain still asleep after you wake up” what a cartoonish childish thing to say.
@@monarene44- yep, I agree. My sister used to take it and gave me one to try. She would eat loads of candy and buy stuff online and not remember doing it. I lit a candle being on ambien once and burned a huge hole in the table of my hotel room. I only took it when I was in bed except this one time, I decided to take a bath. It hit me and I was doing stupid things and passed out. It can be very dangerous.
What about that Ashwagandha right at eye level in front of you? I am experimenting with YT black screen brown noise, fan noice, light rain, train noises. Have fallen asleep with earbuds in, probably not good. 🤓🤭🤥😂. P.S. You are in the right field and have a very calming way of speaking. 👍
I always found if melatonin didn’t work, I’d drink a small amount of brandy before going to bed. However, now I take immunosuppressive medication for a kidney transplant so I shouldn’t drink before bed - I’m back to the melatonin which works sometimes but not all the time. I’ve also used falling rain videos on UA-cam and found they actually work the best!
Um, yes you should really try to avoid taking more than a few mg of melatonin (I don't have a degree so feel free to take anything I have to say with a grain of salt) at a time, for most people you only produce about 1-2 mg naturally to promote the sleep-wake cycles
I first used a whole pill (25 mg) of doxylamine but it kept me groggy for most of the next day. Then I tried a 1/2 pill. Still too much. Then I tried 1/4 pill and it was still too much. Finally, I took a 1/8 of a pill and it was perfect.
That 1/8 of a pill must be the size of a pinhead.
How do you cut in an eighths?
I take 1/4 of a dox and that will generally work for me. An eighth is a pretty tiny chunk.
Good stuff. Thanks!!!
Clonidine is also excellent. Quetiapin in low doses too. ❤❤❤
Melatonin gives people total nightmares. Benadryl enlarges mens prostates. I say get more exercise and ease up on the caffeine.
Mel. No nightmares. So, wrong.
You’d say that? Who asked you
I get nightmares from melatonin
I get no nightmares but I have woke up with an erection.
@WestShoreMan that doesnt help with real chronic insomnia.
Thank you for this post greatly appreciated.
Got hooked on Unisom…long time taking it…not good for the heart (antihistamines specifically old generation). I knew the potential risk but got hooked till one day I stopped. They help - just be careful cause they can mess with the heart.
What about time released melatonin? Doesn't that help you stay asleep longer?
You may laugh but a peanut and jelly sandwich works for me.
Sleep aid. This label works for me! Been using this for years. Plus it’s only 6.99 for two 90tabs.
My DO suggested Valerian supplement (vs tea) and it is the most effective natural sleep aid I've ever used. I tried melatonin but it gave me nightmares.
It gave me nightmares too. It made me feel in the morning like I was inside a coffin.
@@monarene44melatonin made me dizzy and caused headache. I use valerian root capsules.
I'm 50 melatonin and things like Unisom do not work for me at all. Unisom only makes me feel sleeping and yucky when I get up and part way through the day. I have not tried Benadryl.
Actually for me 30 to 45 minutes works best when taking melatonin, if longer it doesn’t work at all.
I take the Equate brand and it takes forever to kick in and when I wake up I feel hungover. I'd rather have Xanax because it acts fast and I feel refreshed when I wake up. Only problem is I can't find a doctor to prescribe it for me.
Nice to know how you "feel" about these products, but what do actual studies have to say about them? That is what matters.
How about CBD gummies with >3% THC?
Thank you Doctor.
Excellent.
It’s hit or miss with me, sometimes I get the hyper effects.
kirkland sleep aid give me the crawlies cant stop scrashing
Great job. I’m have several advanced degrees, one on biology, a Ph.d and J.D.. As I was listening to this, I began to recognize there was serious analysis and sound advice going on here.
Then… I read… you know about what the heck you speak.
Great job, Dr..
This was an informative and useful post.
Thank you.
Really.
Oh..
Subscribed.
Thank you so much! I appreciate it.
The dreams I get on melatonin are vivid.
I have noticed the same thing about Lavender oil.
I get nightmares with melatonin and feel like I’m in a coffin.
@@monarene44 I don't usually have bad dreams but my normal dreams (after I have sniffed Laventure oil from a bottle) are vivid and quite memorable.
It gives me no dream memories. I have them just can't recall any.
You were standing right next to another sleep medication, namely Sleep3, but didn't discuss it. What are your thoughts on that medication?
What about older men with prostate issues taking melatonin? I've heard this is "not good" to take either with this specific population and health issue.Your thoughts.
Magnesium.
OK I am 41 since I was 15. I was struggled to fall asleep and stay asleep. I cannot remember the last time I got actual natural rim sleep. And I can take up to 10 mg of melatonin before I feel sleepy. What do you suggest someone like me should take. And when I had surgery last the anesthesiologist told me he gave me enough medication to put a horse down. Because I kept waking up during surgery.
In Nigeria they combine Benadryl with paracetamol or Ibuprofen
Sominex is Benedryl
And is usually cheaper than Benadryl.
Hello DR. 👍👍👍👍👍 Good information 💯💯💯
250 to 500 mg magnesium. A cup of cat nip tea will put u out.
Thanks. No melatonin. I can fall asleep, but I wake up every hour.
Magnesium
Diphenhydramine is often cheaper when sold as an antihistamine
Zzzquil is diphenhydramine 50 mg. That’s what I use when needed.
Best OTC sleep aid - Budweiser
Basically nothing works😢
For occasional use nothing works as well for me as Nyquil Cold and Flu. I'm out for 8 hours.
Magnesium. L-Threonate or Bysglycinate.
Will you be covering Phyzer creating new viruses so that they can sell more vaccines?
Probably not haha
CDC is a vaccine selling company. They have NO authority. They should not even exist.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
IMFAHO..... :)
@jaxel45
It’s Pfizer. Not Phyzer.
(I wonder who YOU voted for in 2020……and 2016.)
I’m an older adult and tried melatonin… 5 mg and I slept for 2 days straight😩
I take 1 low dose aspirin (81mg) at bedtime. It works great.
Magnesium works for me.
Forgot Dramamine…. That’s good too.
I’m allergic to Tylenol and Benadryl makes me crawly and restless. Melatonin does nothing except keep me awake. It’s all a bunch of crap. I do better not sleeping rather than taking any drug. What DOES help is a high protein dinner, magnesium, and a glass of red wine.
Zzzquil is diphenhydramine 50 mg. That’s what I use when needed.
Did you look at the ingredients in Natrol Melatonin? It has Maltodextrin in it!!! Unhealthy for us.
fellow insomiacs: follow the Andrew Huberman Lab protocol for sleep (google it or find the podcast episode, trust me). Benadryl is a great sleep aid, but if you have insomnia for more than a month, id try other supplements (approved by your doctor). Its easy to need more and more benadryl, in my experience (and its kind of habit forming). I have my best luck with magnesium powder. good luck!!
okay, I've started taking my mag glycinate at night also I take ashwaganda....
Magnesium glycinate- Is it the best one for sleep or is mag citrate? I don't have a problem going to sleep but sometimes waking up at 3am and can't get back to sleep. Also is there any laxative affect with either? Would try natural remedies before any synthetic drug.
not a doctor...but from my understnading, mag glycinate is most recommended for sleep. citrate is def more a laxative. however some people experience laxative effects with any magnesium type. Sensitivity to it varies person to person, so always start small and play with the dose if you can. talk to your doctor as well. @@gayle9428
@@gayle9428gycinate. They say but doesn’t always help me.
What about melatonin 5% topical cream
melatonin ok to crush into food?
I don't know of ANY "pills" that can be crushed into food. You can get slow dissolving tablets that taste like berries or sugary gummies.
@@steveludwig4200 any meltonin pills or any pills at all?
@@killpop8255 I've never seen any pills rec. to "crush" but there well may be some...
My son is 25 and autistic. Nothing seems to be working.
Shouldn't doctors say I know or I don't know instead of I feel like.
I take half a Benedryl and I usually get to sleep for at least 7 hours. No side effects😅
You take it every night? Is it true it may be connected to dementia at an older age?
Straight phyc meds are best
How about these sleep aids affecting kidneys….?🤷♂️
What about gaba and l theanine for sleep?
Gaba did nothing for me
Gaba did nothing for me. I take zzzquil which has Diphenhydramine 50mg, and it works great for me.
None they dont work
At 77 melatonin doesn't work. Benadryl does. I take it a couple of hours before I go to sleep. Use it on occasion.
About how often do you take it?
@@emmcee476 I take one as needed and use the generic brand. I maybe have to use it twice a week. I have heard that others take it more often. I take it when I know I have to get a decent sleep that night and then when I have not had a good sleep for several nights.
"just masking the real problem"
Kalium Phosphoricum 6X/biochemic tablets and there are more than dozens of medicine present to address such situation and have found it very useful in insomnia and related symptoms but strictly recommend it using a proper guidance from a homoeopathic physician first
How are your boys doing after the shot?
To whom are you directing your inquiry???
How about you exercise and hard work?
What a Lazy answer to pretend everyone else is just lazy.
That is arrogant. So the millions of people struggling with insomnia do not have any hard work to do, nor exercise?
Hot cocoa puts me out like a rufie.
I could snuggle with Dr Christy and it would easily cure my sleep issues!
Who needs sleep meds? A couple shots of Jack or a good long work day and I
2 maybe 17 shots of your favorite liquor or 4-5 4lokos should do the job.
Breathing exercises help me get to sleep, but when I wake up later on, it is sometimes hard to go back to sleep.
Where does HBP play a role in these meds?
Tryptophan over Melatonin.
Kozey Terrace
Her own tea 🍵☕ and trees and soil and trees and water and water and tea coffee and maybe talk about it DR