Hmm, I tried mounting my PC into the rafters in the garage, and to be honest I found the wires just got even more in the way. Maybe I just wasn't used to it.
yeah you need something that will pull any slack up and out of the way. my pc is on the floor the wires go up and tacked onto the top of my tv. i placed the dog lead in the centre of the vr space, then tacked the wires to it. this does waste some cable length. if you had a bigger room you might need to buy longer cables
you could use like one of those key chains if you wanted it to look pretty. maybe a ceiling rail too. theres a vid somewhere of a guy that did a way better job than me but he used 3d printer for all the clips and rails and bought longer cables. he used 2 dog leads to run up the extra cable slack.
Amazon has adhesive hooks (cable management) there a square shap and come with 3 pound weight holding adhesive come in Black. For 11.99 you get a set of 60 Thee best deal you will ever see as most 1pound adhesive hook are 10-20 for 1-6 I’m setting my pc on top a higher area next to my massive desk/hutch. Used ikea metal rod shelves zip tied to ikea both room metal rod swiveling towel holders to be mounted onto the hutch with extra wood support to hold more resistance. Effectively it will keep my pc from tipping over I made (2) one for the back and the front. The front has ( two of the four ) rods free to move so I can hang headsets and headphones. The front also had 3 metal trays about 4” deep and 6x6 in LxW The metal rod shelves were kitchenwear and the two support rods have square shapped Rubber stoppers on the effectively to prevent any transfer of conduction and still see my glass panel and interior of the pc with access to the front and the back. I have ikea chair foam attachable about 3ft by 5.5ft and enough to rig along the wall for 3-5” of food padding. Though it’s cost effective to get a roll of Black foam off amazon and stick with the 24” width only. Don’t go below 5” thick For $75 it’s 5x24x72 you may be able to get by with 1 or 2 if you go sideways for one wall But with plenty in my the basement I’ll use the chair attachments and put a fabric over the random color lol. By the way the is super light you can use the extra clips and some fishing line or thread to penetrate the foam and feed it threw the hooks for simple mounting with no surface damage to the wall. The foam will also be sound dampening aka proofing at the same time but 5” thick all around
In the future i'd like to see ceiling representations in the boundaries in VR. Also maybe the ability to add objects into the boundaries, so your ceiling fan can actually be visualized even if it was just a simple box. Many people have more than just a simple plain box room to play VR in, and the addition of this will really help.
I totally agree that they need to add a ceiling boundry however I don't think there's a need to add custom objects simply because you should either move the stuff out of the way or make your boundry smaller
No Reflective bits? good to know. also, the rug is a great idea, I'm thinking when I set things up ill get a fairly flat gym mat, Thanks for the help and advice
Really disappointed about having to take down mirrors and pictures. My wife is a deco freak and there are so many things on the walls...It's going to be hard enough to convince her to let me bring my gaming PC into the living room(only room big enough).
That was probably the most bullshit part of the video. VR headsets don't use LED sensors, they use Infrared light. Reflective surfaces aren't going to mess with anything.
Yeah it doesn't actually affect anything unless you are using the new htc vive 2.0 lighthouses which in that case they can be thrown of by reflective surfaces
Those tension rods are genius, I was going to buy a light stand. I ordered 4, I'm going to use two for light houses and two for my large green screen. Update: Tension rods have replaced all my tripods now. I had tripods for studio lights and now I just use tension rods for those also. Just buy what are called super clamps and you can get a studio light end that screws into them. If there is a bundle deal of them I'd consider going that route if you stream and leave things up permanently. I have 6 now and I would have saved a bit had I gone with a 6 or even 8 pack to begin with.
quick tip: anyone playing vr already on a carpet, u can get hard and flexible materials to act as the rug in this video. I have a rubbery floorboard protector for office chairs that works perfectly and is super cheap.
I would add that you can increase your space by quite a bit if you move any obstacles to the same sides/corners of the room as other obstacles. If you have furniture (or similar) in opposite corners of the room, you severely shrink your play area.
The only thing you missing is Vr cable management system. Maybe you don't need that but this is very good thing and I gives you more immersion as no cable is on your back or your foot. Get that one from KIWI system.
They're overrated in my opinion. You can't turn around without hitting the cable if you do that, which is more immersion breaking for me than having to avoid stepping on a cable.
The idea to use tension rods is something I haven't seen before - I've ordered some straight away! When you're in rented accommodation, its even harder to justify drilling into the wall
Be sure not to overextend them - it's very easy to accdientally push your ceiling up! They don't need to withstand human levels of yanking on them, just enough to not fall over .
@@MakeUseOf I decided to give the other kind of tension rods a go - the ones people use to hang lightweight curtains or netting between the window recess - so I shouldn't have to worry about putting a hole in the ceiling :D
He is using something like this www.amazon.com/FastCap-Support-System-144-Inches-3HAND5/dp/B000067S12/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1513185438&sr=1-2&keywords=Quick+Support+Rod
I'm glad the place i live has super high ceilings for some reason, especially since I'm 6'4. I couldn't touch the roof even if I jumped, not as lucky with the horizontal space though.
In the first day I almost shattered my bookshelf with glass doors, hit my foot on the couch wooden structure and almost stepped on my cat. Moved the play area a bit, the cat will have to learn to stay away when I play but everythjng else sorted out xD
Ooo. I never thought about reflection off the TV causing tracking issues. Now some of my issues kinda make sense, I thought perhaps it was the way I was standing
My vr space is pretty good except for a very low ceiling, I've gotten used to it, but when I first started using the vive I actually punched my ceiling within 20 minutes.
I have a den where I keep my workout equipment but it quite large and an open middle area to play. And thankfully im short so the ceiling fan is not even an issue
im using a WMR headset so i dont need to worry about cameras or a perfect square or reflections. my VR room is awful though because its a small bed room. i keep hitting my window (luckily its a category 5 hurricane rated window so its difficult to break it) my play space is literally an L shape
Mine is a small rectangle, currently working on making everything small and compact, legit thinking of doing what the Japanese do in their Tatami rooms.
Lol the light bulb thing almost looked so deliberate. But I get that feeling. I tried drawing in VRchat with a pen and shoved my hand into the spinning blades of my ceiling fan. It hair line fractured my pinky. I'm sure I looked dumb just punching my hand straight into the fan.
I have a tv protector. Controller protective guards which are amasing. A mat in the middle of the room. Steams app turn signal to show the centre of the room, where the ceiling is and to stop your cable tangling up and locomotive vr for walking without moving by using your arms walking motion to navigate. I know there is a piece of software in production that uses you joging on the spot to move around called RIP (run in posistion) and is downloaded with a lil help from google.
I'm moving in a couple days and my room has a pretty low ceiling, I can touch the ceiling by extending my arm like 3/4 of what I can reach to, it's only gonna get worse too cause I'm supposed to be 6'1 or taller and I'm 5'10 right now😭😭😭
You really do need a room designated for VR. Crucial to have zero glare and least amount of obstructions for space and deflection. I tried it in similar living room. The tracking was never right. I went from the Oculus, Mixed Reality, HTC Vive, and the Index. Ended up ridding of VR. Awesome exp but hassle with out a proper space.
this is really helpfull. i will remember this video when i'm gonna move in the future so i will be able to creat a better VR room then what i have right now
Too expensive and not really viable yet. The big kickstarters I knew of pulled out of the home market entirely and concentrate now on arcades, probably because they realised their product cost too much.
I've seen a simpler "treadmill" that has a smooth floor you wear socks on, a belt holds you in place and your feet just slide so you feel like you're walking.
I put my Vive up and bought the Samsung Odyssey Plus and got rid of the lighthouses. One big thing is I can now use my full room instead of half of it like with my Vive. It said the Vive was good up to 5m (16ft) but from what I have seen it only goes a maximum of 2.5m x 2.5m (8ft). I can now do my maximum room of 5m x 5m (16ft x 16ft). Only bad thing with the Odyssey is the cable length I had to buy 2m extensions to get the full area of the room.
@@MakeUseOf How do you get the whole room? It makes a set boundary in the middle of the room and will not go any bigger than that 2.5m x 2.5m area. I called Vive and they told me that the boundary is the maximum area for tracking even with the wireless. They said I would have to buy the new lighthouses 2.0 to get a bigger area.
It sounds like you set it up as "standing only" when going through steamvr room setup. Choose the option for "room scale" and you can trace your own boundaries. Vive support reps are notorious idiots, sadly.
Supposedly under Room Setup there is an Advanced option that lets you set up larger boundaries. I've heard people claim much larger play areas than 2.5 x 2.5 meters
Thank you! The tip about covering up the TV is very helpful. I have a low profile light, but with a lot of glass parts and if it wasn't in this video, it will never had occurred to me to cover it up
the main problem is finding an outlet to plug in the wire connectors for the base. It's not like I can just take a random wall outlet and move it where I want to move it.
It was recommended by the manual not to have the IR not further than 5 meters from each other. Is it the wide angle that makes yours look further apart from each other or did you put them further away from each other than the 5 meter and it's working well?
Might be the camera - the playspace is 3x4m, so the basestations are pretty much 5m away from each other. You can use the sync cable to push that further though.
oh... that's how you can do bigger rooms. I thought it was only for troubleshooting solution. Thnx. My walls are all shiny acrylic, I'm glad it still works. I'm not sure if it's my body blocking the view or if it's the walls. Rarely it is a bit next to me, after a few swings the controllerhand is next to me again
i use my sync myself , my ceilings are 10 feet and i have my lighthouses 16 feet apart , i thing that's like 4 ish meters apart. no issues thus far and i directly mounted them to the ceiling.
My lighthouses are 6.7 meters apart and it works fine most of the time... I do use the sync cable but it worked without it also. I have two vices and we play in the same room, with just two light houses
you could actually use those tension rods horizontally (from wall to wall) that way you can just slide the lighthouse for better position in case it is needed.
@@Kino_Cartoon UK Link: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000CRDD6Y?slotNum=0&linkCode=g12&imprToken=niXw1NNFSFQzPW04QzllgA&creativeASIN=B000CRDD6Y&tag=mak044-21 - I'm afraid I don't know the equivalent US term for them. Used in the construction industry to hold ceiling / mantle up while working on support structures.
lol .. I agree, I think after watching your review, I am definitely getting the VIVE rather than Rift.. you'r absolutely right regarding "valuing my time".. I already got the PSVR for my ps4 as an entry level VR..But tbh I might wait till next year to see if there is a new version of, or even VIVE 2 hopefully! I am really looking forwards to the new controllers (if they ever decide to release them at some point).. besides hopefully next year I will be moving to a bigger house ;)
Whaaaaaaaaaaat??!!? Jesus, its like its made for hobbits, lol! Here in Sugar Land most of our ceilings are 10' high in any home made in the last 20 years or so, and often in the living room the 1.5 story house is popular, where half of the home has double height that goes all the way up to the ceiling of the second floor's ceiling, which comes out to about 22' or so, and the great room, dining room, dining nook, and kitchen are all one big area. We call that "open concept" which is the most popular, so there's really no such thing as a small room. The smallest I have, which is considered quite compact is 13x11' with a closet and shared bathroom since its just a guest bedroom. O_O My big issue is that I'm trying to use what is my "dining area" in my open concept as a VR zone, but the smallest I can make it with available wall-space is 7 meters diagonal and the HTC Vive is complaining, but still seems to work OK despite its warning protest. *shrugs*
"take down reflective surfaces" ... or get an inside out tracking system, which from all accounts (including my own personal experience), has better tracking in the first place
That's a good point, but that would involve a lot more work than just changing a light fixture. Also, the rest of our is covered in downlights, and we're constantly changing bulbs, or they flicker because they need new transformers, or... eugh. Hate them.
Oculus will only work in bright rooms as it needs to see the surrounding; Index/Vive can work in the dark if you want, but doesn't mind room lighting. Neither will work in bright sunlight. It's really just reflective surfaces you need to look out for!
I am planning on buying an htc vive and setting it up in my veranda where there are windows all around me. Will that work or do I really need to find another place to set it up?
So my room is way to small for my htc vive and my gaming desktop is in my room. With out moving my gaming desktop to the basement (which is right out side of my room) is it possible to still play my vr in the basement? Is there a longer wire I can buy??
It's possible, but may involve going through multiple cables trying to find one that works: www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4eiqda/10ft_extension_cables_after_the_breakout_box/ Essentially, you're right on the edge of what works and doesn't. Moving your PC would absolutely be the better choice!
My room is a bit bigger than your vr room and i have enough space, but my room has no where to put the trackers because my bed, desk, and closet make corners impossible. are there any ceiling attachment alternatives?
Vive or Rift? ... Rift, I would drill some holes in the stands and screw them to the ceiling. Vive comes with wall attachments, is that out of the question too? Difficult to advise without seeing an actual photo. Does the cupbaord go all the way to the ceiling, or is there space on top? Either the Oculus stands could sit on top, or a small mini-tripod for the Vive basestations.
I always wondered where those tracking mistakes came from when I got near the glass closet or the TV. Thank you. But I can't remove the ventilator on the ceiling :( it is a sturdy one but I hit it every time I try to shoot those barnacles. That's really inconvenient :/
They shouldn't, no, unless you have a Kinect hooked up - that blasts the room with IR lasers in the same way SteamVR lighthouses do, and may blind the Oculus sensors. The standard console stuff shouldn't matter, beyond being a little bit shiny and reflective...
I am really unsure about getting a vive Friday if it goes on a good enough sale. I really want it but my play space is not adequate. I have a 1.5x1.8 floor space that I could use, but a lot more air space above my bed area. But not one of my walls is suitable to place a polr so I would have to directly mount into the wall, and one of the trackers would be facing a mirror with the other on the same wall. I guess I could take it down but sont want to. My computer is way out of the way under my desk behind the bed, and my screens are far enough back to hit the desk before the screens. My roof is high enough to not reach it but I have a dangling light right in the middle. Not sure how I go about changing that. I have an LED bulb in it. Not sure how shatter resistant they are. Will the side of my bed cause me to lose tracking if I find myself leaning towards the floor where only the camera behind me would be able to see it and could end up covering it's view? And I have no way to wire manage other than to tread it under my bed. Should I buy or not? I would get WMR instead if I could get the Samsung oddysey in the UK but I can't. Also my pc has a gtx 1070 so pimax is off limits due to performance, and I may still struggle with the oddysey as a result of the higher res. I hate living in a family house.
That's tricky, but you'll absolutely need to cover or remove the mirror. The light might be annoying, even if it doesn't shatter, but changing it would require drilling into the ceiling and rewiring. If it dangles down, perhaps you could just loop the cable and tie it back to shift it up a bit.. assuming it's not too heavy. The Vive basestations are more forgiving than Oculus cameras are when it comes to tracking - in fact, you can run with just a single basestation, but woudln't be able to turn around. There may be some better ideas for basestation placement - consider posting a floor plan and picture to r/vive subreddit, they'll come up with some ideas there. Mounting the basestations isn't too tricky, you could get away with little tripods if those are more convenient, like stikcing one of top of your monitor or desk.
@@MakeUseOf thanks for your suggestions. just an update, I ordered the Oculus touch bundle this morning as it went on sale while the vive from my understanding is not. And I decided with my dodgy room layout, the rift trackers will be better bet as I can place them both on my desk and angle them through trial and error till I can get somewhat of a working experience. I won't be able to go full vr like gorn as I would likely break my wrists and controllers. At least the rift sensors are a lot easier to remove and move elsewhere whereas the vive base stations would have been screwed into the wall. I just don't like thst the rift uses usb ports. Meaning I can't put the trackers far from my system which is under by desk at the foot of my bed. And I wouldn't be able to thread a chord all around my room. It would be a pain. But I'll consider it if I have problems. My main issue is my door taking up half the play space area and I have the mirror next to that on the adjacent wall. So I can't have a wire along the floor infront of the door, and my desk goes right upto my door frame but covers half my floor space as the bed covers half my room space and desk space. And the opposite wall is a full length window with a ledge and curtains and draws underneath. And I have a freaking cupboard built into the wall taking up a third of that wallspace. The list of problems goes on. So I guess it is at most one direction standing for me till I eventually move out in a handful of years. Assuming I have money
Other than making the boundary larger, no. Try using advanced setup where you can just click in the corners of your room, if you're having trouble getting it exactly match your walls.
Step 1 have a big room i suppose. Got that but then, the floor is way too cluttered with crap for me to move around myself. I suppose i cannot hit anything on the floor really hard so i don't really mind that. Playing super hot is pretty bad tho
I want to mount a tv in my Vr room so people in the room can watch what I’m doing but like you said it’s not a great idea, any other way for me to do it?
I mean, depends on how big your room is really. If you can use the sofa to split off one half, such that it's VR playspace, sofa, then TV on the far end, that would work. I just wouldn't risk a TV anywhere in the actual playspace, or near the boundaries of it. Otherwise, put them in a different room and cast to it. Steam Link lets you view remotely: www.theverge.com/2019/4/3/18286931/steam-games-stream-how-to-valve-link-anywhere-in-home-streaming . Or Quest 2 you can cast to a suitable Chromecast device or the Oculus app.
I might be misunderstanding, but if the bed is in the middle of the room..... it'll be in the way, yeh. Can you shove the bed off to one side and clear at least a 1.5m square area? That would allow you full 360 tracking, if not roomscale.
The second room is my setup. Sucks, but that's what I have. I've hit my fingers and controllers so many times and it's painful. Even drew blood a couple times.
Something like a "tripod ball clamp articulated" should find you one locally - www.amazon.co.uk/Universial-Ballhead-Articulated-Conversion-Cameras/dp/B08FWXXZ54/
www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Hot-Selling-Wifi-Ceiling-Light-Free-Shipping-RGBW-Smart-LED-Lamp-shade-wifi-Control-LED/32437916303.html - you can almost certianly find cheaper if you dont need a remote control coloured LED one though!
lmao your "bad room" is basically my whole setup
Not everyone is spoiled for room choices like the guy in the vid.... :(
My room is like half the size
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@@TheOfficialJP my room is too big
@@knyt0 Same
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I never thought of how sunlight could dmg my headset through the lenses.
Good tip!
the best thing i did was putting a retractable dog lead on the ceiling and hook the cables up to it. no more tangling wires
Hmm, I tried mounting my PC into the rafters in the garage, and to be honest I found the wires just got even more in the way. Maybe I just wasn't used to it.
yeah you need something that will pull any slack up and out of the way. my pc is on the floor the wires go up and tacked onto the top of my tv. i placed the dog lead in the centre of the vr space, then tacked the wires to it.
this does waste some cable length. if you had a bigger room you might need to buy longer cables
you could use like one of those key chains if you wanted it to look pretty. maybe a ceiling rail too.
theres a vid somewhere of a guy that did a way better job than me but he used 3d printer for all the clips and rails and bought longer cables. he used 2 dog leads to run up the extra cable slack.
I thought you said “retractable dog”for a second
Amazon has adhesive hooks (cable management) there a square shap and come with 3 pound weight holding adhesive come in Black.
For 11.99 you get a set of 60
Thee best deal you will ever see as most 1pound adhesive hook are 10-20 for 1-6
I’m setting my pc on top a higher area next to my massive desk/hutch. Used ikea metal rod shelves zip tied to ikea both room metal rod swiveling towel holders to be mounted onto the hutch with extra wood support to hold more resistance. Effectively it will keep my pc from tipping over I made (2) one for the back and the front.
The front has ( two of the four ) rods free to move so I can hang headsets and headphones. The front also had 3 metal trays about 4” deep and 6x6 in LxW
The metal rod shelves were kitchenwear and the two support rods have square shapped Rubber stoppers on the effectively to prevent any transfer of conduction and still see my glass panel and interior of the pc with access to the front and the back.
I have ikea chair foam attachable about 3ft by 5.5ft and enough to rig along the wall for 3-5” of food padding.
Though it’s cost effective to get a roll of Black foam off amazon and stick with the 24” width only. Don’t go below 5” thick
For $75 it’s 5x24x72 you may be able to get by with 1 or 2 if you go sideways for one wall
But with plenty in my the basement I’ll use the chair attachments and put a fabric over the random color lol. By the way the is super light you can use the extra clips and some fishing line or thread to penetrate the foam and feed it threw the hooks for simple mounting with no surface damage to the wall.
The foam will also be sound dampening aka proofing at the same time but 5” thick all around
In the future i'd like to see ceiling representations in the boundaries in VR. Also maybe the ability to add objects into the boundaries, so your ceiling fan can actually be visualized even if it was just a simple box. Many people have more than just a simple plain box room to play VR in, and the addition of this will really help.
I totally agree that they need to add a ceiling boundry however I don't think there's a need to add custom objects simply because you should either move the stuff out of the way or make your boundry smaller
Jokes on you: I’m 4 foot 10
Cool and all but I forgot the most important step.
*To buy one*
lmao your not the only one xD lol
BADUMM TZZZ...
same here
A year later into your comment, I actually went to save up and buy an Oculus Rift S. It is epic!
Tension rods are an interesting concept. Might try that myself since I was thinking of getting tripods and didn’t consider the stability factor.
No Reflective bits? good to know. also, the rug is a great idea, I'm thinking when I set things up ill get a fairly flat gym mat, Thanks for the help and advice
recreate your own room and then u dont have tio worry about that
Really disappointed about having to take down mirrors and pictures. My wife is a deco freak and there are so many things on the walls...It's going to be hard enough to convince her to let me bring my gaming PC into the living room(only room big enough).
Yeh, you really need a dedicated room. How about moving the living room? Or perhaps a garage?
I have a Rift and don’t think things on the walls throw it too much so try it first or experiment with sensor positioning.
Results vary. I have a mirror one side of the room and a 50 inch plasma on the other. No problems.
That was probably the most bullshit part of the video. VR headsets don't use LED sensors, they use Infrared light. Reflective surfaces aren't going to mess with anything.
Yeah it doesn't actually affect anything unless you are using the new htc vive 2.0 lighthouses which in that case they can be thrown of by reflective surfaces
OMG 2:16 THANK YOU thought my base station were broken then when I hear you mention picture frames I knew that was exactly my problem all along.
Those tension rods are genius, I was going to buy a light stand. I ordered 4, I'm going to use two for light houses and two for my large green screen.
Update: Tension rods have replaced all my tripods now. I had tripods for studio lights and now I just use tension rods for those also. Just buy what are called super clamps and you can get a studio light end that screws into them. If there is a bundle deal of them I'd consider going that route if you stream and leave things up permanently. I have 6 now and I would have saved a bit had I gone with a 6 or even 8 pack to begin with.
quick tip: anyone playing vr already on a carpet, u can get hard and flexible materials to act as the rug in this video. I have a rubbery floorboard protector for office chairs that works perfectly and is super cheap.
Tension rods are a great idea!
I use mic stands, they easily extend past 6 feet and are a lot easier to transport and move if I need to move my pc downstairs for example.
Thank you for the great video on VR setup. I am getting a RUG! That was the best tip :)
I would add that you can increase your space by quite a bit if you move any obstacles to the same sides/corners of the room as other obstacles. If you have furniture (or similar) in opposite corners of the room, you severely shrink your play area.
the tension rod tip really helped me, thanks!
The only thing you missing is Vr cable management system. Maybe you don't need that but this is very good thing and I gives you more immersion as no cable is on your back or your foot. Get that one from KIWI system.
They're overrated in my opinion. You can't turn around without hitting the cable if you do that, which is more immersion breaking for me than having to avoid stepping on a cable.
The idea to use tension rods is something I haven't seen before - I've ordered some straight away! When you're in rented accommodation, its even harder to justify drilling into the wall
Be sure not to overextend them - it's very easy to accdientally push your ceiling up! They don't need to withstand human levels of yanking on them, just enough to not fall over .
@@MakeUseOf I decided to give the other kind of tension rods a go - the ones people use to hang lightweight curtains or netting between the window recess - so I shouldn't have to worry about putting a hole in the ceiling :D
Hmm, not sure I'd trust a $100 basestation to those flimsy things though...
6:00 is that Alex's bedroom from a clockwork orange?
have you got a link for the tension rods and the clamp adaptors?
He is using something like this www.amazon.com/FastCap-Support-System-144-Inches-3HAND5/dp/B000067S12/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1513185438&sr=1-2&keywords=Quick+Support+Rod
Thanks for this video. I needed a quick overview like this
I'm glad the place i live has super high ceilings for some reason, especially since I'm 6'4. I couldn't touch the roof even if I jumped, not as lucky with the horizontal space though.
In the first day I almost shattered my bookshelf with glass doors, hit my foot on the couch wooden structure and almost stepped on my cat. Moved the play area a bit, the cat will have to learn to stay away when I play but everythjng else sorted out xD
Ooo. I never thought about reflection off the TV causing tracking issues. Now some of my issues kinda make sense, I thought perhaps it was the way I was standing
My vr space is pretty good except for a very low ceiling, I've gotten used to it, but when I first started using the vive I actually punched my ceiling within 20 minutes.
This was wonderful info for a complete modern VR beginner such as myself. Thank you. Well done.
I have a den where I keep my workout equipment but it quite large and an open middle area to play. And thankfully im short so the ceiling fan is not even an issue
Not bad. I have mine setup in my basement with 9 foot ceilings. I turn off my lights and i noticed tracking differences as well.
For better or worse?
I have that rug but in a runner, nice
im using a WMR headset so i dont need to worry about cameras or a perfect square or reflections. my VR room is awful though because its a small bed room. i keep hitting my window (luckily its a category 5 hurricane rated window so its difficult to break it) my play space is literally an L shape
literally me lmao
At least you can get WMR in your country....
Mine is a small rectangle, currently working on making everything small and compact, legit thinking of doing what the Japanese do in their Tatami rooms.
Lol the light bulb thing almost looked so deliberate. But I get that feeling. I tried drawing in VRchat with a pen and shoved my hand into the spinning blades of my ceiling fan. It hair line fractured my pinky. I'm sure I looked dumb just punching my hand straight into the fan.
I have a tv protector. Controller protective guards which are amasing. A mat in the middle of the room. Steams app turn signal to show the centre of the room, where the ceiling is and to stop your cable tangling up and locomotive vr for walking without moving by using your arms walking motion to navigate. I know there is a piece of software in production that uses you joging on the spot to move around called RIP (run in posistion) and is downloaded with a lil help from google.
You should add some sound isolation foam padding to the walls, so if you still run into the wall you won't get a broken wrist or wall.
I like the idea, I just wonder how I'd explain having a room with padded walls!
Those tension rods are an interesting idea.
thank god i'm short and my ceiling is at least a meter and a half above my head
I was already wondering whether he's a giant or living in a hobbit hole ;)
I'm moving in a couple days and my room has a pretty low ceiling, I can touch the ceiling by extending my arm like 3/4 of what I can reach to, it's only gonna get worse too cause I'm supposed to be 6'1 or taller and I'm 5'10 right now😭😭😭
You really do need a room designated for VR. Crucial to have zero glare and least amount of obstructions for space and deflection. I tried it in similar living room. The tracking was never right. I went from the Oculus, Mixed Reality, HTC Vive, and the Index. Ended up ridding of VR. Awesome exp but hassle with out a proper space.
this is really helpfull. i will remember this video when i'm gonna move in the future so i will be able to creat a better VR room then what i have right now
How about using one of those VR Threadmills?
Too expensive and not really viable yet. The big kickstarters I knew of pulled out of the home market entirely and concentrate now on arcades, probably because they realised their product cost too much.
yea, we need one that will actually release. none are available that I know of.
The omni platforms will be amazing once they're 1. reasonably priced for late technology and 2. supported by all titles. neither mark is hit yet.
I've seen a simpler "treadmill" that has a smooth floor you wear socks on, a belt holds you in place and your feet just slide so you feel like you're walking.
thanks very useful, didn't know that reflective surfaces confuse the base stations
Wow I learned so much from this video.
Dude. Never mind the sun burning your hmd. That wallpaper burned out my retinas. 😂 nice informative vid. Thanks.
It is quite horrendous. Haven't had time to redecorate yet!
MakeUseOf I feel your pain. So far it's taken me about 18 months to do the hallway. 😂
I put my Vive up and bought the Samsung Odyssey Plus and got rid of the lighthouses. One big thing is I can now use my full room instead of half of it like with my Vive. It said the Vive was good up to 5m (16ft) but from what I have seen it only goes a maximum of 2.5m x 2.5m (8ft). I can now do my maximum room of 5m x 5m (16ft x 16ft). Only bad thing with the Odyssey is the cable length I had to buy 2m extensions to get the full area of the room.
Vive could have easily done the whole room, and you'd have the option of wireless. Still, glad you've got something you're happy with now! ;)
@@MakeUseOf How do you get the whole room? It makes a set boundary in the middle of the room and will not go any bigger than that 2.5m x 2.5m area. I called Vive and they told me that the boundary is the maximum area for tracking even with the wireless. They said I would have to buy the new lighthouses 2.0 to get a bigger area.
It sounds like you set it up as "standing only" when going through steamvr room setup. Choose the option for "room scale" and you can trace your own boundaries. Vive support reps are notorious idiots, sadly.
Supposedly under Room Setup there is an Advanced option that lets you set up larger boundaries. I've heard people claim much larger play areas than 2.5 x 2.5 meters
i recommend a vr treadmill if you are out of budget, i dont hv one but i think it will surely help
I mean, if you have $100k to drop on one, sure, why not?
Thank you! The tip about covering up the TV is very helpful. I have a low profile light, but with a lot of glass parts and if it wasn't in this video, it will never had occurred to me to cover it up
Very nice video, congrats.
the main problem is finding an outlet to plug in the wire connectors for the base. It's not like I can just take a random wall outlet and move it where I want to move it.
Extension cables for power are easy though - USB, not so easy.
It was recommended by the manual not to have the IR not further than 5 meters from each other. Is it the wide angle that makes yours look further apart from each other or did you put them further away from each other than the 5 meter and it's working well?
Might be the camera - the playspace is 3x4m, so the basestations are pretty much 5m away from each other. You can use the sync cable to push that further though.
oh... that's how you can do bigger rooms. I thought it was only for troubleshooting solution. Thnx.
My walls are all shiny acrylic, I'm glad it still works. I'm not sure if it's my body blocking the view or if it's the walls. Rarely it is a bit next to me, after a few swings the controllerhand is next to me again
i use my sync myself , my ceilings are 10 feet and i have my lighthouses 16 feet apart , i thing that's like 4 ish meters apart. no issues thus far and i directly mounted them to the ceiling.
My lighthouses are 6.7 meters apart and it works fine most of the time... I do use the sync cable but it worked without it also. I have two vices and we play in the same room, with just two light houses
Perfect room
Remove all furniture
Remove ceiling fan
Youre welcome
I just saved you 8 minutes
you could actually use those tension rods horizontally (from wall to wall) that way you can just slide the lighthouse for better position in case it is needed.
In a small room, maybe, mine don't stretch to 4m.
@@MakeUseOf
Wherever do bought it the tension rods 🤔? I can find good ones.
@@Kino_Cartoon UK Link: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000CRDD6Y?slotNum=0&linkCode=g12&imprToken=niXw1NNFSFQzPW04QzllgA&creativeASIN=B000CRDD6Y&tag=mak044-21 - I'm afraid I don't know the equivalent US term for them. Used in the construction industry to hold ceiling / mantle up while working on support structures.
Nice Video pal.. In Britain many houses have living room that are even smaller that your room ;)
I am in Britain, but yeh, this is our largest room. This must be the average size broom cupboard for most Americans ;)
lol .. I agree, I think after watching your review, I am definitely getting the VIVE rather than Rift.. you'r absolutely right regarding "valuing my time".. I already got the PSVR for my ps4 as an entry level VR..But tbh I might wait till next year to see if there is a new version of, or even VIVE 2 hopefully! I am really looking forwards to the new controllers (if they ever decide to release them at some point).. besides hopefully next year I will be moving to a bigger house ;)
Whaaaaaaaaaaat??!!? Jesus, its like its made for hobbits, lol! Here in Sugar Land most of our ceilings are 10' high in any home made in the last 20 years or so, and often in the living room the 1.5 story house is popular, where half of the home has double height that goes all the way up to the ceiling of the second floor's ceiling, which comes out to about 22' or so, and the great room, dining room, dining nook, and kitchen are all one big area. We call that "open concept" which is the most popular, so there's really no such thing as a small room. The smallest I have, which is considered quite compact is 13x11' with a closet and shared bathroom since its just a guest bedroom. O_O
My big issue is that I'm trying to use what is my "dining area" in my open concept as a VR zone, but the smallest I can make it with available wall-space is 7 meters diagonal and the HTC Vive is complaining, but still seems to work OK despite its warning protest. *shrugs*
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"take down reflective surfaces"
... or get an inside out tracking system, which from all accounts (including my own personal experience), has better tracking in the first place
Technically, the Lighthouse system is inside-out, but that's beside the point. Both have their pros and cons.
Why didn't you install downlights instead of getting a low profile light? You could have gained a few inches more headroom.
That's a good point, but that would involve a lot more work than just changing a light fixture. Also, the rest of our is covered in downlights, and we're constantly changing bulbs, or they flicker because they need new transformers, or... eugh. Hate them.
I just bought 56 of them for my new house, lucky I bought a couple of hundred spare bulbs.
Absolutely love the rug idea!
Also: you can use an IKEA Regolit standing lamp as wire support for the VR headset.
Best VR video ive watched yet. Great advice. Thank you!
Very useful thank you 👏👏
I can elbow the ceiling if i tiptoe so forget about hitting the lights
That's a rare and very informative video
I can’t even stick my arms out fully with Pugh going through my area
I want a garage sized space
I want a full-on Holodeck!
I was wondering if it was ok to use vr in a bright room like light from the ceiling from light bulbs
Oculus will only work in bright rooms as it needs to see the surrounding; Index/Vive can work in the dark if you want, but doesn't mind room lighting. Neither will work in bright sunlight. It's really just reflective surfaces you need to look out for!
what about wallpapers and posters? do those confuse the system the same way glass and mirrors do?
Not in my experience, no. I suppose ultra-refective foil wallpaper and that sort of thing could in theory, but normal posters and wallpapers wouldn't.
Where can i get tension rods like that? i need strong ones for a heavy canvas tent and having polls that can shrink and fit in a car would be amazing!
I'm afraid I'm not sure what they're called in the US: www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-88237-Quick-Action-Telescopic/dp/B000MPRJRK/
Wow, this is so helpful. THANK YOU!
great video thanks!
I’m lucky to be short enough to have to try really hard to touch a ceiling fan, but will this stay....
I am planning on buying an htc vive and setting it up in my veranda where there are windows all around me. Will that work or do I really need to find another place to set it up?
The rug is a really good idea!
What about shiny waxed tile floor as a possible reflection surface. how much would that influence the tracking?
Hmm, good question. As long as it's not glass or an actual mirror, you should be alright. Might be best to put a rug down anyway though.
clear, simple, helpful... ty!
all the ceilings in my house are still touchable when standing so i guess i cant really avoid that.
jesus... you live in a hobbit house or what?
Good luck finding a room that size with a UK new build house good tips cheers thankyou
So my room is way to small for my htc vive and my gaming desktop is in my room. With out moving my gaming desktop to the basement (which is right out side of my room) is it possible to still play my vr in the basement? Is there a longer wire I can buy??
It's possible, but may involve going through multiple cables trying to find one that works: www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4eiqda/10ft_extension_cables_after_the_breakout_box/
Essentially, you're right on the edge of what works and doesn't. Moving your PC would absolutely be the better choice!
This really helped thanks
Thank you! very informative and useful tips!
My room is a bit bigger than your vr room and i have enough space, but my room has no where to put the trackers because my bed, desk, and closet make corners impossible. are there any ceiling attachment alternatives?
Vive or Rift? ... Rift, I would drill some holes in the stands and screw them to the ceiling. Vive comes with wall attachments, is that out of the question too? Difficult to advise without seeing an actual photo. Does the cupbaord go all the way to the ceiling, or is there space on top? Either the Oculus stands could sit on top, or a small mini-tripod for the Vive basestations.
Woah, some really good ideas I didn't even consider! Thanks!
I always wondered where those tracking mistakes came from when I got near the glass closet or the TV. Thank you. But I can't remove the ventilator on the ceiling :( it is a sturdy one but I hit it every time I try to shoot those barnacles. That's really inconvenient :/
Do game consoles affect tracking? I have 4 across the room, my trackers can probably see some of them.
They shouldn't, no, unless you have a Kinect hooked up - that blasts the room with IR lasers in the same way SteamVR lighthouses do, and may blind the Oculus sensors. The standard console stuff shouldn't matter, beyond being a little bit shiny and reflective...
great tips.. thanks .. will keep this in mind when I set my Valve Index in a couple of months ;)
Where did you bought the transion rod? I can't a fitting one 🤔
I am really unsure about getting a vive Friday if it goes on a good enough sale. I really want it but my play space is not adequate. I have a 1.5x1.8 floor space that I could use, but a lot more air space above my bed area. But not one of my walls is suitable to place a polr so I would have to directly mount into the wall, and one of the trackers would be facing a mirror with the other on the same wall. I guess I could take it down but sont want to. My computer is way out of the way under my desk behind the bed, and my screens are far enough back to hit the desk before the screens. My roof is high enough to not reach it but I have a dangling light right in the middle. Not sure how I go about changing that. I have an LED bulb in it. Not sure how shatter resistant they are.
Will the side of my bed cause me to lose tracking if I find myself leaning towards the floor where only the camera behind me would be able to see it and could end up covering it's view? And I have no way to wire manage other than to tread it under my bed. Should I buy or not? I would get WMR instead if I could get the Samsung oddysey in the UK but I can't. Also my pc has a gtx 1070 so pimax is off limits due to performance, and I may still struggle with the oddysey as a result of the higher res. I hate living in a family house.
That's tricky, but you'll absolutely need to cover or remove the mirror. The light might be annoying, even if it doesn't shatter, but changing it would require drilling into the ceiling and rewiring. If it dangles down, perhaps you could just loop the cable and tie it back to shift it up a bit.. assuming it's not too heavy. The Vive basestations are more forgiving than Oculus cameras are when it comes to tracking - in fact, you can run with just a single basestation, but woudln't be able to turn around. There may be some better ideas for basestation placement - consider posting a floor plan and picture to r/vive subreddit, they'll come up with some ideas there. Mounting the basestations isn't too tricky, you could get away with little tripods if those are more convenient, like stikcing one of top of your monitor or desk.
@@MakeUseOf thanks for your suggestions.
just an update, I ordered the Oculus touch bundle this morning as it went on sale while the vive from my understanding is not. And I decided with my dodgy room layout, the rift trackers will be better bet as I can place them both on my desk and angle them through trial and error till I can get somewhat of a working experience. I won't be able to go full vr like gorn as I would likely break my wrists and controllers. At least the rift sensors are a lot easier to remove and move elsewhere whereas the vive base stations would have been screwed into the wall. I just don't like thst the rift uses usb ports. Meaning I can't put the trackers far from my system which is under by desk at the foot of my bed. And I wouldn't be able to thread a chord all around my room. It would be a pain. But I'll consider it if I have problems. My main issue is my door taking up half the play space area and I have the mirror next to that on the adjacent wall. So I can't have a wire along the floor infront of the door, and my desk goes right upto my door frame but covers half my floor space as the bed covers half my room space and desk space. And the opposite wall is a full length window with a ledge and curtains and draws underneath. And I have a freaking cupboard built into the wall taking up a third of that wallspace. The list of problems goes on. So I guess it is at most one direction standing for me till I eventually move out in a handful of years. Assuming I have money
is there a way to change the sensitivity of the boundaries? i sometimes find that they show up too early and is sometimes irritating in the game
Other than making the boundary larger, no. Try using advanced setup where you can just click in the corners of your room, if you're having trouble getting it exactly match your walls.
You did a very good job
Thanks
Step 1 have a big room i suppose. Got that but then, the floor is way too cluttered with crap for me to move around myself. I suppose i cannot hit anything on the floor really hard so i don't really mind that. Playing super hot is pretty bad tho
Have you considered investing in some storage furniture!?
Great tips!
Well atleast if there’s an earthquake his vr rooms roof isn’t going to collapse
What is the bank there? A body force feedback device???
I want to mount a tv in my Vr room so people in the room can watch what I’m doing but like you said it’s not a great idea, any other way for me to do it?
I mean, depends on how big your room is really. If you can use the sofa to split off one half, such that it's VR playspace, sofa, then TV on the far end, that would work. I just wouldn't risk a TV anywhere in the actual playspace, or near the boundaries of it. Otherwise, put them in a different room and cast to it. Steam Link lets you view remotely: www.theverge.com/2019/4/3/18286931/steam-games-stream-how-to-valve-link-anywhere-in-home-streaming . Or Quest 2 you can cast to a suitable Chromecast device or the Oculus app.
@@MakeUseOf thank you 🙏🏻
what about the reflections that you get from a window when it is dark outside, will this fuck up tracking on the vive?
i have my room setup with my left most wall is where my pc is and there is a bed between me and my rightmost wall. will the bed screw up the tracking?
I might be misunderstanding, but if the bed is in the middle of the room..... it'll be in the way, yeh. Can you shove the bed off to one side and clear at least a 1.5m square area? That would allow you full 360 tracking, if not roomscale.
Great video!
5:40 That edit xD
My crappy room be like: 5:49
The second room is my setup. Sucks, but that's what I have. I've hit my fingers and controllers so many times and it's painful. Even drew blood a couple times.
How tall are you?
185cm.
Does anybody know where to find thins thing mounted to the tension rod?
Something like a "tripod ball clamp articulated" should find you one locally - www.amazon.co.uk/Universial-Ballhead-Articulated-Conversion-Cameras/dp/B08FWXXZ54/
your wife playing vr is badass
do u have a link for that ceiling light. i want to buy it
www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Hot-Selling-Wifi-Ceiling-Light-Free-Shipping-RGBW-Smart-LED-Lamp-shade-wifi-Control-LED/32437916303.html - you can almost certianly find cheaper if you dont need a remote control coloured LED one though!