The Best Combat Movement Guide (The Fundamentals)

[@0Metatron]

Thanks for giving me some actual tangible training ideas that I can use to improve my flying and fighting.
Sometimes training can be a bit vague when there is no target to aim for besides “just getting better” so this really helps

[@Jaikanatar]

Thank you. Came here because I'm in a weird interim of not understanding combat meta/objective, but being able to at least evade or pursue. My fights often end up stalemates and I get flamed hard in chat. (This has happened like 8 times lol)

[@Caolboy]

Love this, this is legit the kind of combat theory I'd imagine you'd have to apply in zero-g warzones: Strafing and making unpredictable patterns that try to force your opponent into a position where the broadside of their ship is facing you allowing you the highest chance of hitting their craft because of the surface area and raining death from above or below. This legit looks so intense I almost want this to become an eSport lol. Thanks for the vid!

[@HollowlegJake]

Appreciate how short/straight forward these are!

[@PantherKen]

Finally got a Gladius and began these techniques. Thank you for these basic skills, my Ace, @Johnathan Winters! * gives a crisp Zeon salute *

[@denismikhalkin8764]

Cheers Johnathan, was looking for a tutorial like that for a while. Helped me improve my defensive flying significantly, thanks a lot!

[@theklap7070]

I’m definitely going to work on this. I’m TERRIBLE at PvE in ship battles. Granted I just started a few days ago I expect better out of myself.

[@JohnathanWinters]

Put in the work and you'll get there, this game has a high skill ceiling. You can get to a very strong PvE level with only a week of playing. But the ceiling for PVP is high.

[@martinreckziegel8372]

Would you mind sharing your axis setup? My muscle memory is now with roll on right stick X, pitch on right Y, strage left/right/fwd/bck on left stick. Yaw on RS twist. Also have pedals which i would need to use for strafe up/down. So much to handle as i come from a flight sim world 😄 thanl you!!

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@martinreckziegel8372 I plan on making a video on why but in the mean time trus. There is a valid reason with for it, and has to do with overloading your aiming hand.
Right Hand: X-Pitch | Y-Yaw | Z-None
Left Hand: X-Strafe L/R | Y-Strafe U/D | Z-Strafe-Roll
Pedals: Foward/Back

[@michamaverick]

@@JohnathanWinters yeah, I was thinking something like that, and here again my "problem" arises: I am playing with a gamepad (no way to change to dual sticks as I play in my living room in front of my TV with no desktop), so I only have four axes (two sticks) available (left: Y-forward/back, X-roll -- right: X-pitch, Y-yaw). the other two axes I can only get while pressing a modifier button and that gives me X-up/down, Y-left/right on right stick. But as you can see, that makes it impossible to f.e strafe right and yaw left to stay on target. Only way to orbit a target (asteroid) for me is doing that decoupled and use the momentum. I am not too bad in doing so, but ofc that fails in atmospheric fights. Thinking about adding pedals (I have T3PA, but in my case they do not help), like TFRPs and putting roll and forward/back thrusters on it. Opinions?
EDIT: ah forgot: these are great videos! finally some videos which didactilly explain what to do and give exercises, kudos!
subscribed and joined discord, if you are in need of help while making videos, don't hesitate to ask me

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@michamaverick I would do
Left and Right Trigger Roll
Left and Right Bumber Foward/Back
Left stick Strafes
Right stick Pitch/Yaw
D pad for Power Managment
Click Down on left stick for Boost
Click Down on right stick for Cycle DeCouple
Select for Docking Request
Start for Scanner Ping
Buttons for Chaff/Flare/Target Forward/Target Unlock
Or you can make pause or select a modifier key to increase your inputs.

[@DecoyTango]

Your videos are great and really useful - thanks. One pedantic point: speed is a scalar not a vector - velocity is the vector (velocity being speed and direction).

[@billywashere6965]

Excellent video. I'm going to give this a test and practice these movements around the asteroid. This is all really great advice.

[@damaddmann]

Thank you for this a lot of people who are really smart and advance don’t know how to break things down very good job thank you

[@yakyuk337]

Great video! Thanks, Im just getting started.

[@AR_P71]

This video is the one everyone needs to start with. It's difficult to interpret what Avenger Juan is doing in his guides because I haven't taken the 101 course, yet. This cleared up a LOT for me.

[@voidgameplays2970]

Seen your lesson with Space Tomato and wondered to master details. Found your whole playlist very useful and continue to learn. Thank you a lot Johnathan

[@JohnathanWinters]

Thanks man, welcome =]

[@yous2244]

Love the high skill ceiling of star citizen

[@Violentic81]

Oh i thank you for that training idea. Nothing is more worth then training the handling. Especically with Hosas. As better you are, as better goes the greater the experience will go. I guess its normal for a simulation kind of

[@andrewgarza3704]

HUGE! Thank you so much man this was pivotal info. I was having such a hard time lol

[@Ian-zb3rp]

Thank you this is so what I wanted in a guide

[@chadchadelston8635]

The yeah at 3:39 had me thinking I was still in a discord call or something

[@davidfrancis2163]

This is great info and I appreciate the detail. I’m struggling though trying to manage this with speed control on a Hotas setup. Both hands are locked to the sticks and I find the hat switch in my right stick interferes with trigger control if I try strafing and turning on the same stick. A follow up vid demonstrating this with your setup would be helpful. I’m finding that using a dedicated throttle while strafing is cumbersome at best so I’m trying to find the right keybindsnand adjustments that would work efficiently.

[@SomeAssh0le]

You never say whether we're supposed to be doing these moves in coupled or decoupled, but I assume it's decoupled, but also when I tried it in decoupled I didn't have to do much to maintain orbit other then hold W which seems weird because it was so easy

[@JohnathanWinters]

You can do it in both, inputs are just different.

[@danmilkman6169]

Great content. Just went through all your Videos
Could you cover pvp flight maneuvers like corkscrews, s Turns, Wave pattern etc?

[@JohnathanWinters]

Thank you
I plan on covering a lot of subjects, but I won't be teaching exact patterns as I believe they come naturally once you understand movement.
That said, on 06/25/22, I have a video coming out that is going to be a game-changer for a lot of people.

[@CmdrCoyote]

you da man John!!

[@DHBFISN]

mad useful

[@cappedlevel3792]

very good video thanks

[@Traxtyl]

Thanks a lot ! I will definitely try what you suggest ! I have one question about the video effects : do you use any shader in the game or this is editing for the video ?

[@JohnathanWinters]

I use reshade, and only have slight increase in vibrance and saturation. With a some lighting corrections, on shadows mids and highlights.

[@trevorbelmont4633]

Should also include type of setup HOSAS HOTAS HOSAM

[@splooshnoonley5620]

Good video ty, subbed

[@sethp5552]

Legit! Where is the race track?

[@JohnathanWinters]

Arena commander.

[@efrenhernandez528]

I saw last night you were dog fighting some other players and giving them tips and tricks on where to improve. I found that cool. If you are thinking to open your own org or just looking someone to play with, my player name is Eh-Frehn.

[@Mars-1995]

I'm usually just moving up and roating my ship so i can constantly just move upwards and in the movementdirection of the enemy ship. So kind of Standard dogfight movement with reallife fighterjets.

[@beefmagigins1333]

Great video! Are you using mouse and kb or sticks? If you are using sticks I would be interested to see how you use them and their setup.

[@JohnathanWinters]

All of that is in the description, and I'm thinking of going a video like that, waiting on something to come in!

[@rossblakeney2895]

Struggling to maintain manageable speeds with SCM limiter off. End up going too fast and then losing my tight strafe orbit. Prob just sloppy overcorrections, but it's my main struggle. Tips welcome.

[@JohnathanWinters]

What controls are you using?

[@rossblakeney2895]

@@JohnathanWinters dual VKB Gladiators. twist on right is roll, twist on left is up/down strafe. Wondering if I should actually leave the SCM limiter on, since master modes is the next destination for combat. But ultimately, I need to work on fine adjustments. Not too used to sticks yet. Small corrections are my struggle.

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@rossblakeney2895 Yeah those configs could use some work, the reason you are having issues is because when ever you apply strafe you are accidentally applying forward and back.
Check my keybindings video
ua-cam.com/video/LPjRdsmljU4/v-deo.html

[@rossblakeney2895]

@@JohnathanWinters I have been thinking of pedals. Think I'll look for some deals tomorrow. Thanks for the responses!

[@ScabbyMcKniel]

Thanks a lot. Coming from purely FPS comps this is a game changer. Any guides for MNK or is it more a 'get sticks, its that fundamental' ?

[@beatworldrecords6080]

cool video. Useful.

[@kajida]

Nice job explaining everything! What sticks are you using ?

[@JohnathanWinters]

All in the discription =]

[@tropper15]

Does this also apply to medium ships like a constellation aquila or a corsair or mainly small ships? Also, flight assist off or on?

[@JohnathanWinters]

This applies to all ships. Which flight assist, coupled/decoupled?

[@tropper15]

@@JohnathanWinters yeah i meant (de)coupled lol, still have elite dangerous lingo stuck

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@tropper15 Always off imo, especially in big ships.

[@D3monSlayer77]

Great video. I am new at SC and this is the type of information that I need. Can I do this with my Avenger Titan or do you suggest a combat ship like the Gladius.

[@JohnathanWinters]

You can learn in anything but if you want to get really good at pvp, gladius is a must.

[@D3monSlayer77]

@@JohnathanWinters Thank you very much for your answer.

[@dementegg]

Can you make a review video of that Pirate Gladious? I am currently learning on a Titan. But I am looking for a second ship and I wanna go fighter instead of cargo. Maybe Load out for the Gladious in general but more centered on this ship.

[@yous2244]

How to change that speed limiter box think?

[@muramasa2643]

Thanks! Nice tutorial. Can you address coupled versus decoupled mode? Thanks!

[@chrisalexander2478]

Got my butt kicked recently. I had seen enough of your videos and others to know what the guy was doing to me but I haven't put in the work to figure out how to counter it. Got me some Virpil sticks & pedals and have been playing getting accustomed to them and to build muscle memory. I joined your discord and working on these basic skills is the next step. Maybe it wont be too long till I try to get my Bronze rating. Still work to be done though. Thanks for your videos. They are greatly appreciated.

[@JohnathanWinters]

You'll get there man, and bronze is entry, I just have to give you the role.

[@menez031]

Do you fly fps racing drones IRL?

[@yobizzyb]

if you have the speed limiter locked to a speed and you strafe up and down does it stop the rear thruster so your not going forward? can you only do this with the speed limiter off? im new to the game and have about an hour or two in pve bounties. only done a few vlrts and lrts. just bought a gladius and getting used to it all.

[@JohnathanWinters]

No, the stronger input will always overpower. So if you strafe up and forward, you'll go more forward then up.

[@ren0islegit874]

It wont let me select my arrow in arena commander to do this

[@JohnathanWinters]

Has to be a ship that you bought IRL, not in-game.

[@geod1932]

Susbscribed and thank you!
Does anyone have a beginners video recommendation for dealing with moving targets? I feel decent with JW's movement here but when I go into Swarm and the targets are moving circle strafing them like I do the asteroid just doesn't seem to work. I keep jousting them - if it wasn't for having better shields I think I would lose every match. I'm a dense guy so I need someone that will teach me like a five year old please. No worries if not. Thanks!

[@JohnathanWinters]

Al cheat, you have to manage distance agaisnt them. Learning my dancing video will help aswell.

[@geod1932]

@@JohnathanWinters Thank you. Appreciate the reply - I might be too rookie (about 15 hours in) to grasp it all. I did watch the dancing video and that helps. If you don't mind what is Al cheat? I didn't see that in your videos. Thanks again.

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@geod1932 Learn my stuff in order it makes a bit more sense, but AI get speed bonuses. They basically lock on to you regardless of how well you maneuver.

[@geod1932]

​@@JohnathanWinters Ah, got you - that makes sense! Will do with your videos in the process now. They are excellent; you and Avenger_One = top. One last question, and no worries if not.
I am learning de-coupled with no speed limiter from the start. While I recognize it will take longer this way, without flight control holding my hand. This is what I am thinking - my daughter, learning to swim, didn't use floaties, which was tough/scary initially, but now she is a master swimmer. While the friends with floaties had a terrible time letting the floaties go and never (so far) matured to be that good at swimming.
Is this similar, or would you recommend everyone learn with coupled and limiter on instead of jumping in without those nets?

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@geod1932hehe, thanksvman. It doesn't matter, practice which ever way you find more enjoyable :)

[@sq2209]

Hey I notice on your ship ui there’s 0 jagged lines I have everytning on max graphics but in ships I still get jagged lines on the edges of the ship hud? Is it just resolution needs to be higher or do you use any specific nvidia control panel options?

[@JohnathanWinters]

Bug, something with latest patch. Delete your shaders in the Appdata Folder to fix.

[@soulslasher7890]

i'm using this to get good at starfield ship combat lol

[@JohnathanWinters]

haha, you'll be so disappointed. Starfield ship combat makes me sad.

[@soulslasher7890]

​@@JohnathanWinters yeahhh, not a very high skill ceiling or engaging, is it? still fun to fuck around with weird ship designs tho.

[@JohnathanWinters]

Si =P@@soulslasher7890

[@Apollo_White]

Would you recommend flight sticks or just key board and mouse

[@JohnathanWinters]

Dual sticks.

[@Apollo_White]

@@JohnathanWinters thank bro will buy me a pair

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@Apollo_White Np check my controls vid, before you do.

[@chrow8649]

I got a anvil arrow and it is kinda impossible to reproduce with it. It is so slow, how are you so quick? Great Content you got my sub. I guess the Majority dosn´t have the ships to pratice this :/ we are 10 times slower.

[@JohnathanWinters]

Do you have your speed limiter on? Arrow is a very fast ship.

[@chrow8649]

@@JohnathanWinters I have no speed limiter on. I think the problem is that your ship stays perfect in the blue bar kinda, when i do that i am almost all the time in the red to get that speed that you have.

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@chrow8649 give me an exact time in the video so I get a better idea.

[@Acro163]

How do you make your limiter not a full box? like in 0:40

[@michamaverick]

it's un unbound keybinding under "Flight - Movement" called "Speed Limiter On/Off (Hold / Toggle)", bind it to a key of your choice to easily toggle in fight

[@bartcusters4315]

I rly dont get it...sorry im a noob. My strafe buttons make me strafe waaay more slow then i see on this video. How do u strafe so fast?
(flying buccaneer)

[@AncientBastard]

Would be a better guide if you would explain how to do it.
Edit: Never mind, i am training it for about 2 hours and i get better than i ever was. :)

[@JohnathanWinters]

Explain what exactly?

[@AncientBastard]

@@JohnathanWinters Can you please make another video in wich you show and explain how to engage in a dogfight and how to utilize this strafing best? Thanx for the awsome video!

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@AncientBastard Lot of steps to cover, but this Sunday I have a video coming out that explains how to strafe for combat correctly.

[@AncientBastard]

@@JohnathanWinters Thanx mate! Keep up the work!

[@JohnathanWinters]

@@AncientBastard Np, video went live today btw.

[@malcman]

ROFL. Best combat movement guide for johnathan is running away at full speed when you loose an engage. lolol

[@DenLe222]

I dont get how to do it. You show what to do, but dont tell how. What buttons I have to press? Sorry not helpful at all. Same with your other videos. Dont tell what to do, tell HOW!

[@joshuaburt1997]

Well, to strafe left; what button do you use to strafe left? To go up, what’s your button to go up? To go left and up, what’s your button for left and what’s your button for up?

[@ohnegative9526]

Hopeless. He gives detailed explanations, can't hold your hand the whole way. Get out and practice.

[@mike_d_melb_music_fan5229]

Sorry, but if you can't work out something as basic as the strafe buttons....😒🫣

[@Minecarftable]

Yeah the instructions are clear I think they just need a terminology lesson