How he rode in this yrs tour reminded me of 97 when Virenque ride up some mtn out the saddle pretty much all the way, that day it took me 8hrs to do 100mls...
Exactly. Any time it’s mentioned that Pogacar is most likely dopping, his fan boys go into attack mode. But the idea that Pogacar doesn’t dope is highly unlikely if not absurd. His team is known to employ infamous doping experts. The truth is probably that Pogacar is the best doper in cycling history. People like to think that Lance Armstrong was caught, so that was the end of doping. But that is incredibly naive.
I was a former sports journalist in Ireland, football, triathlon and cycling were my sports. Whatever TP is on I can't say, but on something he definitely is. Look at his team, his coaches, the managers (Gianetti etc) smashing records without losing sweat, hardly trying, 70kls break aways and whistling to the finish. Remember this, I was once in the Oakley safehouse during the Sydney Olympics, I sat in on a conversation when a tall, languid 24 year old wearing ridiculous Oakley eyewwear, said, i kid you not "Anyone caught doping shouldn't be anywhere near the sport" straight as you like, that lad was a certain David Miller.
@@reginaldscot165unfortunately Reg it won't be me who will eventually expose UAE Podgcar et al (Vinnegaard/Evenopoel) I knew Lance was on the juice in the early noughties, I also had a long conversation with a certain countryman, Paul Kimmage. I haven't spoken to Paul in a long time but I'm sure he's equally depressed by this current iteration of cyclists. I remember a colleague said to me this, "Marcus, remember this, the technology changes, sure the science changes, most importantly the human being doesn't change, they'll always find a way to game the system"
There remains so many ex-pros from the Armstrong doping era that are still in team management and leadership in today's peleton, which makes me question the integrity of the sport.
I host a local ride every Saturday. I believe we have dopers even on club rides. There are several riders that show a meteoric rise in performance that as a coach I know is tied to being on the ‘juice’. These are riders who were regularly dropped and within weeks are now suddenly trading the pace. Natural progress takes years, not weeks. I say nothing, but it’s clear. It’s their funeral, because the risks are clear, plus once you stop, the effects are gone. So you’ve got to do it forever, to put on your show.
@Lacking_something Steroids, testosterone, cortisone etc, can all be purchased illegally. Steroids for example are used under medical supervision to control inflammation and even then, come with risks to the immune system and must be used carefully. Our muscles are inflamed after hard workouts and require time to recover. Using steroids to speed recovery is risky because you can injure joints, ligaments etc. by not allowing the body to heal naturally. They also alter moods and promote aggressive behaviors. I doubt if everything they do is fully known. So using drugs originally intended to deal with specific medical issues in a non medical situation simply to promote faster recovery enhances your ability to train more or handle more load, but at the risk of cancer, and many other side effects. Considering that these drugs have risks even when used medically, the risks outside of a medical need are far more. One of my football heroes Lyle Alzado died of a rare brain cancer at 43 years of age, caused by steroid use. www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-15-sp-2197-story.html They are banned because if they were allowed to be used freely and openly, we would have more deaths, like in the case of 25 year old cyclists dying from heart attacks because EPO which is used medically to increase red blood cells in those that need them, when used by healthy individuals increase the concentration of the blood, and causes the heart to stop when they're asleep. This is the reason The Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI), for example, imposes a 15-day suspension from racing on any male athlete found to have an HCT above 50% and hemoglobin concentration above 17 grams per deciliter (g/dL).
@@Veloharmony nah. Last week i averaged 150w in a 35km local route. Today i did 185w. This means in 3years i would be averaging 1410w. Im telling you its possible!
I was in my peak pro cycling fandom in the early 2000s when all that dirt came out. It is entertaining to hear the verbatim arguments about how pro sports are "clean" today echo through the youtube comments sections just like they did in the cycling forums of 2005 or 2006... I remember Betsy Andreau jumping into the convo on a cycling forum I participated in on a regular basis! Over the years my opinion changed from outrage at being scammed to maybe more of a bigger picture view: Why do fans need to believe a fantasy and super hero narrative about guys riding bikes? Sports is entertainment. The guys in the tour are basically stuntmen in a live action spectacle. Does it matter that they're juiced? Regardless, it's better to just go for a ride than watch pros do it.
@@reginaldscot165 sure, but durianrider will say or do anything for attention. Anything but admit he's not elite level in cycling and never could have been.
@@jono1457-qd9ft totally. the number of people that listen to that zero is sad. thousands of videos about the same topic, the halcyon days of cycling, rim brakes, weight. and on and on..
It doesn't surprise me that pros are doping - normal guys that will do anything to get a better physique dope - never mind when winning, lively hood, and fame are on the line. The part that shocks me are the people that can't even entertain the idea that it could be happening in their heads - these are the worst types of people and they're who I actually hate. I don't even hate the people who are doping - I hate the people that actively try to distort very possible, or blatantly correct assumptions about reality of whatever matter it is. These are the people that would argue that water doesn't get you wet. - That up is actually down, and you're just poorly educated on the matter / jealous.
Yes, they make up a significant part of the population, they are sheep and useful idiots. They take experimental jabs without asking questions and they give away their rights and freedoms because a politician told them it was for the best. 🙄
I didn't have time to watch the whole video, so sorry if you covered this. But the notion that "they all did it" and so it was just cheaters competing against cheaters is not exactly true. I've known a few riders who were just below pro level who, had they cheated, might have been pro riders. They're the real victims of cheating. You'll never know their names because they were cheated out of an opportunity for fame and fortune.
Right this is what so satanically evil about dopers - they steal another persons dream,another persons life, and go on oprah and say I am sorry- The only they get right. They are sorry. Sorry ass excuses for a human being.
Sports is meant to look for the best athletes not for the most moral people. If doping is the norm then just do it like everyone else and stop acting like victims, realize that's part of the game.
If they choose not to use drugs it’s their choice, and they shouldn’t complain because riding bicycle and competing is still good for their health and building character, so they still win out of it even if they don’t become pro elite cyclists.
Thank you for this! I am old enough to remember when people thought Lance was clean too, and I make many of the points you make in arguments. Also, I am pretty sure he had positives for epo that were buried by the UCI until after it all blew up. Riders have been doping since before any of us were born. All pro sports are the same.
I spoke to a South African cyclist who moved to Europe to ply his trade there...after his first year the manager said to him he did fine but if he wants to go places he'll need to get on the juice. As a result he came back to South Africa, as he did not want to.
Plenty of similar stories. Someone needs to tell the youngsters with aspirations that they will have to make the same choice if they reach pro level or your career will be short
Only if we get to the point where riders are dying like the Belgiums whose blood was turning into oatmeal. I used to think the doping post-Lance was limited to more passive (recovery type) style drugs or methods. But Pojacar to me, the way he rides is clearly something that is physiologically transforming his on-bike performance.
As a German I refused to like Lance. What is that American doing in Europe? Then came stage 15 in the tour 2003. When Lance stood up he didn't even look at the guy. Then his chain failed and he almost crashed again. But all of that didn't prevent him from winning the stage and the tour. Since then I'm a fan. And I knew he was doping all the way. Lance took the tour really seriously. Much more serious than anyone before him. He had no off-season. Every night of sleep and every meal mattered to him. He actually rode the course beforehand. He and his team took note of obstacles and the road surface and gradients etc. Team Sky later pretended it was them who came up with that stuff.
I lived in Austin, TX, during all of the Lance era. The whole town was enthralled with LA, especially after he came back to win his TdF's after coming back from cancer. The Tour was fun to watch during that time - of course, it was also phenomenal to watch it during the Greg Lemond winning streak, but the coverage was much less back then. A caveat with Armstrong is , he really, in his later career, only invested in the Tour de France, rarely doing any classics or other grand tours. I truly believe he would have gotten away with his wins if he had retired after winning five. He committed hubris by going for six and seven, after no other multiple Tour winner in the past, including Eddy M., had ever exceeded five TdF wins.
Hambini probably left that rock there! You sound like Cycling Highlights... which is ok with me 😂. Seriously though, it would not surprise me in the least if the juice was all pervasive. Would actually make sense...fast = selling new bikes every year = big old sponsorship loveliness and moolah.
To be fair, Arnold Schwarzenegger admitted to have used steroids. That being said, back then they used laughably little compared to today's bodybuilder. That's why he looked relatively normal (just very strong) compared to the big bellies of today. But I agree with you. I am sure that most people are on doping, but I assume they are probably on way lower doses than back in the 90ies and 00. I could see that a time trials winner or winner of single day race who never gets far in a tour is clean, but that is more hope than something I would bet on. If you are driving competitively on a tour, you have to be on something. Not necessarily for the max power or endurance (but that helps for sure), but for the regeneration alone.
Agreed, yes you are right he admitted it. But what I heard is (like the Rock) he said “oh yes I did some drugs in the very early days but I stopped that years ago.” 😉
Not to judge any point you provide. But even if no one is doping, i cant find myself to care anything about bike races. I ride bike for myself and to maintain fitness, not someone somewhere riding with a group or something. p.s. i dont even join the local club ride or race
Large scale farmers and ranchers use steroids and growth hormones to speed up the animal and plant production .I also see this as effectively speeding up the natural aging process.When you spoke of Lance Armstrong it reminded me of how he's not aged well at all . Connect the dots my friends.
Your theory seems to make sense but actually the reverse is fact. Because aging is a process of muscle loss metabolism slowing fat spreading through out the body and numerous other things doping reverses the aging process. The reversal is not significant enough to stop aging but it does not speed it up and as we all know the other problems associated with doping are like rolling the dice to see if one will get to older age.
@@michaelroberts1420 Factory farm chickens mature in about 2/3 the time of a natural free range . That's accelerating the ageing process to me ,not reversing. Armstrong was doping at a industrial scale and also stressing his system at a rate that normal recovery was impossible.Sure it's obvious regular exercise and maybe small doses pharmaceuticals might slow ageing but guys like Armstrong , Arnold and Sylvester took it way to far and they all aged badly.
horner won the vuelta using 44cm handlebars and suffering from bronchitis; eventually the usada placed some restrictions on those asthma medications. he won the tour de whiterock as a training session, which led a local rider to call it quits on his pro career.
As always very good content. Could you please make a video about the width of tires in road cycling, because in one of recent interviews Tadej Pogačar answering questions said that they ride faster because nowadays they use wider tires and use lower pressure…
Any athlete who wants to reach the pinnacle of a professional sport understands that doping is an absolute necessity. The fans of other sports - NFL, NBA, EPL, tennis, running, swimming, etc - don't care about doping, they just enjoy the spectacle. Why do cycling fans seem to be the only sports fans so invested in the "cleanliness" of their heroes? Having said that, I do enjoy listening to the naive try to explain how aerodynamics seatposts, wide tires, and other marginal gain can more than account for the fact that contemporary riders are absolutely obliterating the performances of the stars of the doping era.
Cycling is also the world’s hardest sport! Can we really expect them not to dope? 🤔 Ha ha yes those gullible people are very entertaining! The kind of people the pharmaceutical industry really loves! 😆 💉 💊
@@reginaldscot165 Whether or not cycling is the hardest sport is probably debatable, but there why would there be any less doping in other sports even if it was true? Much more money in other sports.
I am 60 years old and getting older just trying to keep up with the cyclists in my club rides. I used to race crits in America. I started to old and was to fat but I liked riding in the peloton. I started racing at 48 years old!! I never doped. I simply didn't know where to get the drugs or who to buy them from. I never wanted to know anyway. I wasn't competitive just having fun. Now I wonder is that 40 year old guy that is dropping me in my local club ride doping? ARG!!! I have no chance!!
I don’t want to, but I have to agree, “unvelibable” performances make more money, everyone wants to see the freak ones, and it apply to any sport, some are more obvios than others, you would not belive the athlets in the Olympia weekend are clean, right?
Wait until they start testing for SGF-1000 and theres also some new EPO like substances recently developed for kidney dialysis patients with a half life of less than 4hrs. Theres also literally 100+ known proven stimulants that are not on the WADA list. It'll take them 8-10 years to develop an assay for the new juice. In the meantime watch the rediculous performances next year. Theres a new arms race currently underway.
No drugs nowadays, its the disc rotors, see those cut-outs they generate an air flow which acts like a tubocharger and speeds up the wheels. The really expensive rotors for the very best riders have even developed into generating more speed uphill!!
Great video and I agree with you. Off topic question - there's is a humming that your mic picks up when you're at speed, is that the road noise coming through the titanium frame? Not being negative, it's just interesting. Thanks!
I'm not saying there's no doping in sport, but you're going to have to provide more than your limited anecdotal evidence from 20 years ago and speculation about the current state of play if you want to build a convincing argument.
Experience with real top level athletes + the experience of other people who tell me the same story + the importance of money in sports + what my eyes see + logic. That’s all I got, it’s not like I can grab TP by the ear and get him to fess up! 😆 But yes it’s not an argument that would stand up in a court of law. It’s just my UA-cam level opinion. 😁👍🏻
@@reginaldscot165 hi Reg - so, I have no idea who is or who isn't doping. But here's 2 of my many thoughts/observations/issues:- - if 'everyone's doping' then that means everyone is doing it so it's a level playing field yes? So an argument that singles out individuals, teams or national squads is irrelevant? Just struggling to follow your logic that favours the GB squad, or xxx team - another observation about this whole travesty is that the users are cheaters, cheaters are liars. How can we trust what liars are saying? If your anecdotes are correct (not questioning your integrity) then is problem is as broad as it is deep, and it affects ALL levels of ALL sports, not just the top level of cycling. As cyclists let's not beat ourselves up about a widespread, global, situation...
@@reginaldscot165 Exactly, what you're babling about won't hold in court, hence hearsay. It's easy to have opinions without factual evidence presented.
First of all, one should not mistake a few plausible-sounding ideas for proof-at least not if one wishes to avoid sinking into the mire of conspiracy theories. However, the continued prevalence of doping in sports shows that health and ethical concerns often weigh less heavily for many athletes than the pressure to succeed and secure financial stability. To protect the athlets’ health doping tests in cycling have been introduced after Tom Simpson died during the Tour in 1967. Nowadays there are good reasons why pro cyclists may consider using performance enhancing drugs: high performance pressure, financial and professional incentives, social pressure in the teams, … The question remains why on earth would an amateur cyclist take the risks when none of the aforementioned reasons apply to him? Ego, or are they just incredibly stupid?
Great comment. Tommy died of alcoholism and class A drugs. 😅 I guess vodka can be performance enhancing but it’s a double edged sword, I remember (but only barely) a very enjoyable night with a Ukrainian girl as evidence of that fact. 😆 As for conspiracy, I do love a good one. 🙂
@reginaldscot165 But I feel a bit broken. I mean I simply did not think about that and so you assume it is just progress in training and diet science thats driving the sport. Just watched Controversial Cyclist like recomended and yes, the curtain of silence is co obvious... Guess one just simply has to stop paying attention to racing results, power figures and KOMs of leading athlets. One just has to... ride your bike... ;)
Hit the nail on the head, i will also say mark cavendish 35th stage win was done on PEDS. Two days before he was being sick and was dropped by his own team, couldnt hold pace and looked absolutely wrecked. He had no form all season, was off the pace the whole year. Then suddenly wins a stage out of nowhere, then retires from cycling. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know he was on PEDS will the UCI ever admit that no. Will willier a struggling bike brand benefit yes, will Cavendish get his dream yes. Does cycling win, No. And the cycle continues......
Yes I’ve seen plenty of miraculous comebacks in the pro tour, guys who the day before were struggling to make time and then the next day go flying past…
In New Zealand there is Rugby and Rugby League. The government doesn't give a fuck about Rugby League and the New Zealand team lose all the time but the government does care about the All Blacks and they hardly ever lose. Whats suspicious is in games against say Japan the Japanese are holding out until the last twenty minutes of the game. Also there are plenty of Samoan players in the All Blacks but Samoa has zero chance of winning anything big. I firmly believe the All Blacks are on a government sanctioned programme. Possibly EPO because they do "altitude training" .
Thank you Kindly. ❤️I think the clips were tastefully done in this video and some of it was added weight to the argument. Showing that many of my claims are backed up be other people. 😁👍🏻
There's another channel of a guy who cuts grass verges. He often stops in mid sentence when his mower starts making an incongruous racket as if it were in great distress. Eventually he finds the cause and chucks it back over his shoulder while examining the rotor blades. Shaking his head in consternation he tells the viewers "you wouldn't believe how many times I've had to make repairs to this rig on account of these ruddy rock throwing idiots." Except he didn't say ruddy.
With all the money at stake, it is completely logical that every team does what it can to get an edge. We do this is other industries all the time. I recall the antics of NASCAR teams to get a tiny bit of extra HP with a slight change under the hood. Its not cheating unless you get caught. And in cycling, even the science that goes into the food they are eating is likely involved.
About Brunei, Iam surprised of how clean it is on the roads you show. I am surprised I dont see other riders, but more so I dont see mopeds, small motorbikes, and hardly a person on the roads! It cant be like that everywhere?
@ please, let us see the “uglier” Brunei, that is, if there is such a thing. At least more populated areas, such as the marketplace, or “favelas”. Thanks
The only really dirty place are those occupied by foreign workers from Bangladeshi… they act like they are at home and throw all their rubbish in the street… but I’m not sure why anyone would want to see that? 🤔
Spot on, I can't believe anyone would defend the uci over Lance or the athletes. The organizations are the corrupt ones. I guess it's easier for them to believe the lies.
I kind of agree with your first statement. But I also think there is a reason to talk about it. I mean, you can’t change the weather but people always talk about it. 😅
It's time to Drain the swamp in cycling 😂😂😂 Everyone is bored of Pogi and his huge wins and dominance. Old man Cav won his last race ever 😂😂. This guy struggled to win a race 5 years ago that last for 10 years of his career, and now at 38 years old he can't stop winning 😮😂 Expect to see Cav coming out of retirement very soon 😂 Magic beans don't you know 😮
If he’s smart (and he’s definitely not, he’s one of the lowest IQ cyclists I’ve ever heard speak) he will stay retired and do some other job. Their is no advantage in getting greedy at this stage.
@@reginaldscot165Cry baby Cav defo got special magic beans treatments, and also the race organisers paying the sprinters to let Cav win. Human doping, mechanic doping & money doping. 😂😂😂
Of course there is peds in professional sports for the reasons you outlined, money makes the world go round. Team/personal achievement and national prestige are at stake. Anyone who thinks otherwise is like an ostrich with their head in the sand😅 If people at club level are taking peds that is another matter,at least they have a choice. There is no drug that does not have a detrimental side effect and for longevity most are best avoided. It is most likely LA had cancer from his long term use of peds and or blood transfusions etc etc.
The incentive structure being as you say... makes it too enticing to find a way to cheat. So i've been left thinking, is there any field of human competitive endeavour which is fundamentally cheating free, or where cheating is definitely detected and punished at least eventually and which has retrospective justice? Even chess tournaments, they're using wireless buttplugs to cheat, they have advice made by teams with powerful computers getting buzzed into their arse. What were to happen if one were to just allow doping? This can't be quite without negative consequences either. Will young aspiring athletes start dropping like flies because they didn't take care, weren't medically controlled as they are experimenting on their bodies? Would the substances grow ever more potent and more hazardous?
@sunburntknees2904 Lance is a giant A hole, but how hard he can push himself is admirable. No one looks up to a person who isn't the winner, especially the youth. Lance's tenacity and self confidence is something anyone can admire
The difference between the former American cyclist who doped to win and other dopers (including Pantani) is that he also was a horrible person and treated other people very badly. And on top of that he also cheated with other things like filling is frame with ice to make it heavier at the start line. No respect, no glory.
I never heard that ice story, but don’t they weigh the bikes before and after? I believe they do now. Would the UCI guy weighing the bikes not notice the water dripping from the frosty ice cold frame? 😅 Sounds like a apocryphal story to me, one might even say “anecdotal.” ☺️
I was asking myself if I’d be happy to watch the cycling if they were slower. And to be honest I would, in fact if people bonked a bit more and actually looked tired I’d enjoy it more.
Lance Armstrong won all those races officially, because I think they had to give them all to the 17th place runner up before they could find someone who was drug free.
I personally find the pain killer abuse most worrying. Most top riders have no emotions on their face while literally pushing 500 watts up a climb. (check their strava) That takes some serious pain killer doses on regular bases. Blood doping and some testosteron is almost healthy compared to that. These guys will 100% have liver issues in 20 years time. But its ok, they wont be sponsorship worthy anyway by then. So lets not even worry about that :)))
What’s wrong with that statement? “If” everyone IS cheating then the playing field is completely level! If all 100 cyclists turn up on a motorcycle 🏍️ then it’s a fair race. They are all on motorcycles! Also define cheating? Is having a better training system cheating? Is having a better diet? Is having access to better sports drinks and supplements cheating? What about being born with better genetics? What about being on a richer team that has better equipment? What if you have all of that going for you and the other competitors don’t… are you cheating? It’s an interesting question I often ponder. It’s an individual choice. But to give an example. You agree for some honourable reason to fight someone to the death in hand to hand combat. (The reason can be anything you like, something serious like he has your family hostage.) Anyway, you agree to fight with no weapon at a particular place and time. An hour before the fight you hear from a friend that your opponent is planning to bring a gun so he can shoot you dead before you have a chance to do anything. Now, do you stick to your moral code and just turn up and get shot? Well done, you are a good (and very dead) person who failed to achieve their objective. You see unless you have the mentality of a professional sportsman, a winner’s mentality you can’t understand the choices they make. Also, if everyone is doing it, like the vast majority as I believe, then you have 3 choices: 1) Try to expose everyone. But that will fail and you will lose your job probably. As I said the race organisers aren’t even on your side, that much is obvious. 2) quit the sport. Congratulations, you are a man who dedicated the best years of his life to a career you just quit and now you are unemployed. 3) dope and stand a chance of gaining the things you worked very hard your entire life for.
@@reginaldscot165 "Is having a better training system cheating? Is having a better diet? Is having access to better sports drinks and supplements cheating? What about being born with better genetics? What about being on a richer team that has better equipment?" No. No. No. No. No.
@reginaldscot165 Lance was the goat 🐐, but these younger cyclist nowadays are just so 🔥 👌. I like Remco evenepoel , once he learns how to do mountains , he will be very close to winning TDF.
It’s not just the pros either You know how basically everyone who goes to the gym is juicing just to look good? Why would you think your weekend warriors aren’t also doing the same? I’ve seen guys who were at the back on a group ride where you’d have to stop and wait for them to catch up, become super strong within a year and be nabbing KOMs
Of course there is doping in pro cycling and most other sports at a high level (and now even on amateur level), but to say that the majority of the pro peloton is doping is a claim that needs to be proven by cold hard facts. And just to remind everyone that you are to be presumed as innocent until proven guilty - not the other way round.
The fact is they all cross the finish line at about the same time in a race up mountains at 40kph that last 2 weeks. Normal humans can’t do that and look a bit tired by the end of it. Most of them by the last day of the TDF look fresh as flowers.
You say that there is so much money in cycling that they won’t catch dopers. What?! Compared to football, formula, ice hockey, golf, NFL, baseball, NBA to mention a few the money in cycling is peanuts.
You are kind of proving my point. How often do you hear of doping scandals the size of the one in the TDF in say American football? Almost never and I bet my life savings that the majority of American football players are chock-full of Roids!
I too used to think that there's no way Armstrong would put that garbage into his body after recovering from cancer. However, i have no respect for him. Apparently he went to great lengths to destroy the career's of other riders that accused him of being a drug cheat. In all likelihood he wouldn't have won anything without drug assistance. But for me a cheat iis a cheat. Then of course you have to consider the long term consequences to your health. I remember the East German female sprinter's of the 70's. One, Marita Koch used to win the 400m with a 20-30m margin. Sure you get a medal etc. But. You know it wasn't really you.
I hate people who like to always have the higher moral ground like you. Clearly almost everyone doping back than and most sports are not clean even the olympic back then and now and you act like Armstrong is the worst cheating athletes in history. how can it be ca cheating when everyone else doing the same thing?
That’s an easy one to answer. Many gifted athletes that should succeed don’t and can’t elevate. Others are break rules, taking their place. This is called cheating.
Firstly when you say dominated did you see the same kind of performance? Or do you mean they won races? Second, obviously all the cyclists in the TDF are the best cyclists in the world. They are all up against the best cyclists in the world. When they were racing as kids they were the best cyclists in the world at their age up against the average cyclist. Do you understand the difference here? Now they need drugs because the races are harder, incredibly hard and the competition is the best in the world.
@@reginaldscot165 Dominant means they usually compete with older riders and still are able to win races. In the category of children 2-4 difference age means a huge difference in performance. If a 13-year-old can compete against 16-year-old competitors at the national championship, it can be assumed that he will be among the best as an adult. Applications such as Strava also help in the search for talent. That was the case for Vingegaard, who as an amateur made a KOM on a hill where professionals train. The training has also changed. As someone said, "Todays traing kills everything nice on cycling." No group rides. Everyone has their own training plan and trains alone. And higher speed during the race is really not evidence of doping. Just remember how racing was 20 years ago. It was boring. The riders had many race days, but mostly they just cycled, not raced. Merckx had in average 80 big races per year + lot of small because of sponsors(maximum 195 in single year). Todays average is about 50 race days per year.
You're 40? You don't look 40 at all! You seem younger than that by a fair amount of years... But aside from that, yeah, I think they're still doping to this day, one way or another.
I got served up an ad from that scammer, China Cycling, during this video. He’s acting as a shill for some company called Magene. I won’t be buying their products
@ done it once needing to ride back from the coast to London tired sore and feeling really rough Was my fastest time But would never take them regularly only emergency Not good for the organs
Then why hadn't they got caught yet despite so muhc testing nowadays versus during the time of Lance Armstrong. Vloggers like this just makes assumptions without proof to contradict actual testing of top athletes. Don't discount the fact that there are genarational talents like the LBJ, MJ's and Michael Phelps of the sport.
Lance was the most tested athlete in history, like 600 times and never caught. My video explains why the cyclists of today don’t get caught. It’s almost like you didn’t watch it and just made a comment. 🤔
@@reginaldscot165 The way lance was tested and how they do it now is different. You don't factor that as well. Better watch GCN's video to widen your limited and obvious biased perspective without actual proof, just your words.
Prove it then.. But until then it is all bs, as if we haven't seen any outlier in other sports, Usain Bolt? Phelps? Messi? Ronaldo? Lin Dan, Lee Chong Wei? Are these super athletes in their respective sports all cheating?
Prove they aren’t cheating then! You see how redundant your comment is right? It’s like asking someone to prove the existence of God. Until he comes down from Heaven and slaps you in your face some people won’t believe. There is evidence for the riders doping, I spoke about it in the video but you can’t prove anything until someone admits it because the testing doesn’t work, or they aren’t really trying to catch them. Try to use your brain and stop getting offended because I’m pointing the obvious facts. And as for other athletes, yes they probably are using something, yes they are very talented but that doesn’t mean they don’t also dope. They will use different drugs depending on the type of sport, even F1 drivers use drugs.
@reginaldscot165 so using your logic everyone is a liar until someone prove otherwise? I'll one up you, you are an moron unless you can prove otherwise huh? That's your logic right? Just because dedicated people can do extraordinary stuff that simple folks like you and me can't doesn't mean they are cheating, yes you are ordinary, unless you can prove otherwise, that's according to you.
@@reginaldscot165 according to your logic, eyeryone is a liar until proven otherwise huh? Then that includes your whole video... Just because dedicated people can do extraordinary things doesn't mean they are cheating, just because ordinary people can't do it, doesn't mean exceptional people can't, and yes you are ordinary.
Pog is definitely on the juice. The way he sprints away uphill at the end a long stage is the same thing lance did.
While barely sweating or breathing too hard. It's obvious.
Fact. and he still can't beat Armstrong at his prime with inferior bike and less effective doping. smh
@@santiagobenitesbut aren't drugs supposed to 'enhance' metabolism?🤡
Yes the way he makes summit finishes look easy is very telling.
How he rode in this yrs tour reminded me of 97 when Virenque ride up some mtn out the saddle pretty much all the way, that day it took me 8hrs to do 100mls...
UCI has no interest in busting the golden goose 🦆
That’s my theory anyway. 🤷🏻♂️
I feel the polite thing to do is just state what any reasonably intelligent person knows -they are ALL on dope.
Exactly. Any time it’s mentioned that Pogacar is most likely dopping, his fan boys go into attack mode. But the idea that Pogacar doesn’t dope is highly unlikely if not absurd.
His team is known to employ infamous doping experts. The truth is probably that Pogacar is the best doper in cycling history. People like to think that Lance Armstrong was caught, so that was the end of doping. But that is incredibly naive.
@@Cyclist-o6eI liked Pog when he had bad days, blew up, bonked......but this year was an absolute Armstrong-esque demonstration. Day in day out.
Your absolutely right buts that's a duck...😊
I was a former sports journalist in Ireland, football, triathlon and cycling were my sports. Whatever TP is on I can't say, but on something he definitely is. Look at his team, his coaches, the managers (Gianetti etc) smashing records without losing sweat, hardly trying, 70kls break aways and whistling to the finish. Remember this, I was once in the Oakley safehouse during the Sydney Olympics, I sat in on a conversation when a tall, languid 24 year old wearing ridiculous Oakley eyewwear, said, i kid you not "Anyone caught doping shouldn't be anywhere near the sport" straight as you like, that lad was a certain David Miller.
Getting “caught doping” is the thing he had issue with, not doping! 😂
You should do a journalistic exposé on TP? Would make a fascinating book? 🙂
@@reginaldscot165unfortunately Reg it won't be me who will eventually expose UAE Podgcar et al (Vinnegaard/Evenopoel) I knew Lance was on the juice in the early noughties, I also had a long conversation with a certain countryman, Paul Kimmage. I haven't spoken to Paul in a long time but I'm sure he's equally depressed by this current iteration of cyclists. I remember a colleague said to me this, "Marcus, remember this, the technology changes, sure the science changes, most importantly the human being doesn't change, they'll always find a way to game the system"
There remains so many ex-pros from the Armstrong doping era that are still in team management and leadership in today's peleton, which makes me question the integrity of the sport.
That’s very true.
I agree that those people do not belong there and should be banned for life.
I host a local ride every Saturday. I believe we have dopers even on club rides. There are several riders that show a meteoric rise in performance that as a coach I know is tied to being on the ‘juice’. These are riders who were regularly dropped and within weeks are now suddenly trading the pace. Natural progress takes years, not weeks. I say nothing, but it’s clear. It’s their funeral, because the risks are clear, plus once you stop, the effects are gone. So you’ve got to do it forever, to put on your show.
@@Veloharmony same here. Vets who slowed to a crawl mid forties suddenly in their 50s going better than ever and faster than 10 years ago 🤣
they sometimes develop problems in the joints which have not had enough time to strengthen compared to the muscle groups.
When I first joined a club in my youth I was dropped and left behind the first few times. With work I got better, but I never got really good. 🙂🤷🏻♂️
@Lacking_something Steroids, testosterone, cortisone etc, can all be purchased illegally. Steroids for example are used under medical supervision to control inflammation and even then, come with risks to the immune system and must be used carefully. Our muscles are inflamed after hard workouts and require time to recover. Using steroids to speed recovery is risky because you can injure joints, ligaments etc. by not allowing the body to heal naturally. They also alter moods and promote aggressive behaviors. I doubt if everything they do is fully known. So using drugs originally intended to deal with specific medical issues in a non medical situation simply to promote faster recovery enhances your ability to train more or handle more load, but at the risk of cancer, and many other side effects. Considering that these drugs have risks even when used medically, the risks outside of a medical need are far more. One of my football heroes Lyle Alzado died of a rare brain cancer at 43 years of age, caused by steroid use. www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-15-sp-2197-story.html They are banned because if they were allowed to be used freely and openly, we would have more deaths, like in the case of 25 year old cyclists dying from heart attacks because EPO which is used medically to increase red blood cells in those that need them, when used by healthy individuals increase the concentration of the blood, and causes the heart to stop when they're asleep. This is the reason The Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI), for example, imposes a 15-day suspension from racing on any male athlete found to have an HCT above 50% and hemoglobin concentration above 17 grams per deciliter (g/dL).
@@Veloharmony nah. Last week i averaged 150w in a 35km local route. Today i did 185w. This means in 3years i would be averaging 1410w. Im telling you its possible!
There's no doping. It's all heat training!
And aero socks
It’s 35 C outside, how come I’m not fast? 😂
@@reginaldscot165 it’s the humidity🤣🤣
Reginald, youre forgetting the altitude training mate 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was in my peak pro cycling fandom in the early 2000s when all that dirt came out. It is entertaining to hear the verbatim arguments about how pro sports are "clean" today echo through the youtube comments sections just like they did in the cycling forums of 2005 or 2006... I remember Betsy Andreau jumping into the convo on a cycling forum I participated in on a regular basis! Over the years my opinion changed from outrage at being scammed to maybe more of a bigger picture view: Why do fans need to believe a fantasy and super hero narrative about guys riding bikes? Sports is entertainment. The guys in the tour are basically stuntmen in a live action spectacle. Does it matter that they're juiced? Regardless, it's better to just go for a ride than watch pros do it.
This is the best comment so far I think. 👍🏻
It’s true and durianrider has been saying this for years . Drugs are still in sports
Definitely, you’d be mad to think otherwise. 🙂
@@reginaldscot165 sure, but durianrider will say or do anything for attention. Anything but admit he's not elite level in cycling and never could have been.
@@jono1457-qd9ft totally. the number of people that listen to that zero is sad. thousands of videos about the same topic, the halcyon days of cycling, rim brakes, weight. and on and on..
It doesn't surprise me that pros are doping - normal guys that will do anything to get a better physique dope - never mind when winning, lively hood, and fame are on the line.
The part that shocks me are the people that can't even entertain the idea that it could be happening in their heads - these are the worst types of people and they're who I actually hate.
I don't even hate the people who are doping - I hate the people that actively try to distort very possible, or blatantly correct assumptions about reality of whatever matter it is.
These are the people that would argue that water doesn't get you wet. - That up is actually down, and you're just poorly educated on the matter / jealous.
Yes, they make up a significant part of the population, they are sheep and useful idiots. They take experimental jabs without asking questions and they give away their rights and freedoms because a politician told them it was for the best. 🙄
I didn't have time to watch the whole video, so sorry if you covered this. But the notion that "they all did it" and so it was just cheaters competing against cheaters is not exactly true. I've known a few riders who were just below pro level who, had they cheated, might have been pro riders. They're the real victims of cheating. You'll never know their names because they were cheated out of an opportunity for fame and fortune.
There is an interesting question of morality here. Do you waste your potential and stay a nobody or do you do the drugs and get fame and fortune.
Right this is what so satanically evil about dopers - they steal another persons dream,another persons life, and go on oprah and say I am sorry- The only they get right. They are sorry. Sorry ass excuses for a human being.
@@reginaldscot165 so you believe that doping improves performance?
Sports is meant to look for the best athletes not for the most moral people. If doping is the norm then just do it like everyone else and stop acting like victims, realize that's part of the game.
If they choose not to use drugs it’s their choice, and they shouldn’t complain because riding bicycle and competing is still good for their health and building character, so they still win out of it even if they don’t become pro elite cyclists.
Thank you for this! I am old enough to remember when people thought Lance was clean too, and I make many of the points you make in arguments. Also, I am pretty sure he had positives for epo that were buried by the UCI until after it all blew up.
Riders have been doping since before any of us were born. All pro sports are the same.
I agree, it’s crazy to think it’s any different now than it was back then. 🚴
Lance was the golden goose and donated 20K or 50K ? to the UCI in Switzerlland just out of his good nature of course.
I remember read ing a cycling magazine , that mentioned that sometime between the 30’s and 40’s riders were using a mixture of cognac and strichnine
Sounds yummy! 😂
20 years ago it was high cadence going uphill.
Today it is 120 carbs per hour.
I wonder what will be the next thing found behind the curtain??
Good question. 🧐
Cycling highlights Rocks
I enjoy the content some of the time but I find I can only do it in small doses. 🙂
Just to be clear…
you can dope a donkey, but it will never run like a horse
I don’t know I’ve never tried. But it sounds like something that could be true.
I spoke to a South African cyclist who moved to Europe to ply his trade there...after his first year the manager said to him he did fine but if he wants to go places he'll need to get on the juice. As a result he came back to South Africa, as he did not want to.
I can totally believe that. 👍🏻
Plenty of similar stories. Someone needs to tell the youngsters with aspirations that they will have to make the same choice if they reach pro level or your career will be short
My friend was the same went to Belgium and was told exactly the same so he packed it in
Catching the doper is bad for the cycling business. UCI learned that from the Lance case.
Yep. My thoughts exactly.
Only if we get to the point where riders are dying like the Belgiums whose blood was turning into oatmeal.
I used to think the doping post-Lance was limited to more passive (recovery type) style drugs or methods. But Pojacar to me, the way he rides is clearly something that is physiologically transforming his on-bike performance.
As a German I refused to like Lance. What is that American doing in Europe? Then came stage 15 in the tour 2003. When Lance stood up he didn't even look at the guy. Then his chain failed and he almost crashed again. But all of that didn't prevent him from winning the stage and the tour. Since then I'm a fan. And I knew he was doping all the way.
Lance took the tour really seriously. Much more serious than anyone before him. He had no off-season. Every night of sleep and every meal mattered to him. He actually rode the course beforehand. He and his team took note of obstacles and the road surface and gradients etc. Team Sky later pretended it was them who came up with that stuff.
I lived in Austin, TX, during all of the Lance era. The whole town was enthralled with LA, especially after he came back to win his TdF's after coming back from cancer. The Tour was fun to watch during that time - of course, it was also phenomenal to watch it during the Greg Lemond winning streak, but the coverage was much less back then. A caveat with Armstrong is , he really, in his later career, only invested in the Tour de France, rarely doing any classics or other grand tours. I truly believe he would have gotten away with his wins if he had retired after winning five. He committed hubris by going for six and seven, after no other multiple Tour winner in the past, including Eddy M., had ever exceeded five TdF wins.
Good comment 👍🏻🙂
Well, I also hope you refuse to like your own Ullrich and Zabel.
Hambini probably left that rock there!
You sound like Cycling Highlights... which is ok with me 😂. Seriously though, it would not surprise me in the least if the juice was all pervasive. Would actually make sense...fast = selling new bikes every year = big old sponsorship loveliness and moolah.
A big rock 🪨 is his favourite tool. 🔨
😂
Yes it’s all about the money. 💰
Every pro sport is on the Juice of some kind. Just the odd sacrificial lamb is taken down to save face for the organisers and corporate backers.
I think so.
They are going faster now than Lance ever did.... So its kinda obvious. The funny thing is watching GCN try to say they aren't!
Yes it’s very amusing is a sad way. 🤦🏻♂️
To be fair, Arnold Schwarzenegger admitted to have used steroids. That being said, back then they used laughably little compared to today's bodybuilder. That's why he looked relatively normal (just very strong) compared to the big bellies of today.
But I agree with you. I am sure that most people are on doping, but I assume they are probably on way lower doses than back in the 90ies and 00. I could see that a time trials winner or winner of single day race who never gets far in a tour is clean, but that is more hope than something I would bet on. If you are driving competitively on a tour, you have to be on something. Not necessarily for the max power or endurance (but that helps for sure), but for the regeneration alone.
Agreed, yes you are right he admitted it. But what I heard is (like the Rock) he said “oh yes I did some drugs in the very early days but I stopped that years ago.” 😉
More Dates More Plates has a video on Arnie and the quantities weren’t the modest amounts he was letting on.
@@reginaldscot165 yeah, the Rock is something else. Bigger than he was in his 50ies now than late 20ies, but of course totally clean. yeah... sure.
Not to judge any point you provide. But even if no one is doping, i cant find myself to care anything about bike races. I ride bike for myself and to maintain fitness, not someone somewhere riding with a group or something.
p.s. i dont even join the local club ride or race
Nothing wrong with that. 👍🏻
Large scale farmers and ranchers use steroids and growth hormones to speed up the animal and plant production .I also see this as effectively speeding up the natural aging process.When you spoke of Lance Armstrong it reminded me of how he's not aged well at all . Connect the dots my friends.
Your theory seems to make sense but actually the reverse is fact. Because aging is a process of muscle loss metabolism slowing fat spreading through out the body and numerous other things doping reverses the aging process. The reversal is not significant enough to stop aging but it does not speed it up and as we all know the other problems associated with doping are like rolling the dice to see if one will get to older age.
Interesting theory 👍🏻
@@michaelroberts1420 Factory farm chickens mature in about 2/3 the time of a natural free range . That's accelerating the ageing process to me ,not reversing. Armstrong was doping at a industrial scale and also stressing his system at a rate that normal recovery was impossible.Sure it's obvious regular exercise and maybe small doses pharmaceuticals might slow ageing but guys like Armstrong , Arnold and Sylvester took it way to far and they all aged badly.
horner won the vuelta using 44cm handlebars and suffering from bronchitis; eventually the usada placed some restrictions on those asthma medications. he won the tour de whiterock as a training session, which led a local rider to call it quits on his pro career.
🤦🏻♂️ Im lost for words.
It’s about as clean as a coal shed 🤣
Agreed
There is a video here on yt of Lance coming 3rd in a triathlon when he was 16. The guy he beat into 4th couldn't believe it.
Impressive!
Even Lance was anti doping when he first turned pro
Quickly learned ‘if you can’t beat em’ ….
@@jonm8423 yep
As always very good content. Could you please make a video about the width of tires in road cycling, because in one of recent interviews Tadej Pogačar answering questions said that they ride faster because nowadays they use wider tires and use lower pressure…
Ha ha 😂
Yes I’m making a big video on that, will be like my rim v disc video. But it’s going to take a while to get it up.
Which has been proven to death. Come on!
Any athlete who wants to reach the pinnacle of a professional sport understands that doping is an absolute necessity. The fans of other sports - NFL, NBA, EPL, tennis, running, swimming, etc - don't care about doping, they just enjoy the spectacle. Why do cycling fans seem to be the only sports fans so invested in the "cleanliness" of their heroes?
Having said that, I do enjoy listening to the naive try to explain how aerodynamics seatposts, wide tires, and other marginal gain can more than account for the fact that contemporary riders are absolutely obliterating the performances of the stars of the doping era.
Cycling is also the world’s hardest sport! Can we really expect them not to dope? 🤔
Ha ha yes those gullible people are very entertaining! The kind of people the pharmaceutical industry really loves! 😆 💉 💊
@@reginaldscot165 Whether or not cycling is the hardest sport is probably debatable, but there why would there be any less doping in other sports even if it was true? Much more money in other sports.
I am 60 years old and getting older just trying to keep up with the cyclists in my club rides. I used to race crits in America. I started to old and was to fat but I liked riding in the peloton. I started racing at 48 years old!! I never doped. I simply didn't know where to get the drugs or who to buy them from. I never wanted to know anyway. I wasn't competitive just having fun. Now I wonder is that 40 year old guy that is dropping me in my local club ride doping? ARG!!! I have no chance!!
I get the same thoughts and feelings. 🤔
I don’t want to, but I have to agree, “unvelibable” performances make more money, everyone wants to see the freak ones, and it apply to any sport, some are more obvios than others, you would not belive the athlets in the Olympia weekend are clean, right?
Of course, they’re all on something. Even if it’s just caffeine and painkillers. 😅
@ well, some painkillers, are also banned now
The title of this video is very clever! 👍🏼
Glad you think so! 😘
lance was on T after his 1996 operation, and topical corticoids were also available with a TUE.
Yes I heard similar information, can you believe I bought his book on how to train to be a successful cyclist. 😂
Drugs are a necessity in pro sports where there is big money.
Especially if the reputation and the politics of a big country is involved. 😆
Wait until they start testing for SGF-1000 and theres also some new EPO like substances recently developed for kidney dialysis patients with a half life of less than 4hrs. Theres also literally 100+ known proven stimulants that are not on the WADA list. It'll take them 8-10 years to develop an assay for the new juice. In the meantime watch the rediculous performances next year. Theres a new arms race currently underway.
Yes the arms race never stops, it just mutates. 🤔
No drugs nowadays, its the disc rotors, see those cut-outs they generate an air flow which acts like a tubocharger and speeds up the wheels. The really expensive rotors for the very best riders have even developed into generating more speed uphill!!
Well, I’m totally convinced. 🙂👍🏻
Apart from the doping part you are 100% correct.
It's a combination of better technology, genetics and special juice.
Yes. 👍🏻
Great video and I agree with you. Off topic question - there's is a humming that your mic picks up when you're at speed, is that the road noise coming through the titanium frame? Not being negative, it's just interesting. Thanks!
It’s probably my knees! 😅
I’m on the steel bike in this video, but it might be my very hard Gator skin hard shell tyres and my TPU tubes? 🤷🏻♂️
AND WE HAVE JOKE PIECES BY GCN ADMONISHING EVERYONE WHO WOULD LISTEN THAT PRO CYCLING IS CLEAN. HAHAHAHAHA! I LOVE THOSE DUDES. THEY MAKE ME LAUGH.
THEY ARE INDEED VERY FUNNY BUT WHY ARE WE SHOUTING! 😂
@@reginaldscot165 🤣🤣🤣 TOURETTS
Did you wrap your bartape reverse? Can you make a video about it.
Yes and I already did! 😁
Look down my video list for “How to wrap your tape the better (wrong) way.”
I'm not saying there's no doping in sport, but you're going to have to provide more than your limited anecdotal evidence from 20 years ago and speculation about the current state of play if you want to build a convincing argument.
Experience with real top level athletes + the experience of other people who tell me the same story + the importance of money in sports + what my eyes see + logic. That’s all I got, it’s not like I can grab TP by the ear and get him to fess up! 😆
But yes it’s not an argument that would stand up in a court of law. It’s just my UA-cam level opinion. 😁👍🏻
@@reginaldscot165 hi Reg - so, I have no idea who is or who isn't doping. But here's 2 of my many thoughts/observations/issues:-
- if 'everyone's doping' then that means everyone is doing it so it's a level playing field yes? So an argument that singles out individuals, teams or national squads is irrelevant? Just struggling to follow your logic that favours the GB squad, or xxx team
- another observation about this whole travesty is that the users are cheaters, cheaters are liars. How can we trust what liars are saying?
If your anecdotes are correct (not questioning your integrity) then is problem is as broad as it is deep, and it affects ALL levels of ALL sports, not just the top level of cycling.
As cyclists let's not beat ourselves up about a widespread, global, situation...
@@reginaldscot165 Exactly, what you're babling about won't hold in court, hence hearsay. It's easy to have opinions without factual evidence presented.
I think some of the weight loss drugs should be considered doping...
Interesting. 🤔 Where do you draw the line? Protein powder? Vitamin supplements? Isotonic sports drinks? Is it all cheating? 🤷🏻♂️
clenbuterol supposedly works for weight loss while preserving muscle mass...alberto contador.
First of all, one should not mistake a few plausible-sounding ideas for proof-at least not if one wishes to avoid sinking into the mire of conspiracy theories. However, the continued prevalence of doping in sports shows that health and ethical concerns often weigh less heavily for many athletes than the pressure to succeed and secure financial stability. To protect the athlets’ health doping tests in cycling have been introduced after Tom Simpson died during the Tour in 1967. Nowadays there are good reasons why pro cyclists may consider using performance enhancing drugs: high performance pressure, financial and professional incentives, social pressure in the teams, … The question remains why on earth would an amateur cyclist take the risks when none of the aforementioned reasons apply to him? Ego, or are they just incredibly stupid?
Great comment. Tommy died of alcoholism and class A drugs. 😅 I guess vodka can be performance enhancing but it’s a double edged sword, I remember (but only barely) a very enjoyable night with a Ukrainian girl as evidence of that fact. 😆
As for conspiracy, I do love a good one. 🙂
@ Any cyclist can confirm that the earth is not flat. 🥵
You got me convinced...
Cool. Logic and reasoning wins again! 😁
@reginaldscot165 But I feel a bit broken. I mean I simply did not think about that and so you assume it is just progress in training and diet science thats driving the sport. Just watched Controversial Cyclist like recomended and yes, the curtain of silence is co obvious... Guess one just simply has to stop paying attention to racing results, power figures and KOMs of leading athlets. One just has to... ride your bike... ;)
Nice mauve bar tape!
Ha ha, most people hate it.
Hit the nail on the head, i will also say mark cavendish 35th stage win was done on PEDS.
Two days before he was being sick and was dropped by his own team, couldnt hold pace and looked absolutely wrecked.
He had no form all season, was off the pace the whole year. Then suddenly wins a stage out of nowhere, then retires from cycling. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know he was on PEDS will the UCI ever admit that no.
Will willier a struggling bike brand benefit yes, will Cavendish get his dream yes.
Does cycling win, No.
And the cycle continues......
Yes I’ve seen plenty of miraculous comebacks in the pro tour, guys who the day before were struggling to make time and then the next day go flying past…
In New Zealand there is Rugby and Rugby League. The government doesn't give a fuck about Rugby League and the New Zealand team lose all the time but the government does care about the All Blacks and they hardly ever lose. Whats suspicious is in games against say Japan the Japanese are holding out until the last twenty minutes of the game. Also there are plenty of Samoan players in the All Blacks but Samoa has zero chance of winning anything big.
I firmly believe the All Blacks are on a government sanctioned programme. Possibly EPO because they do "altitude training" .
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit. 🤷🏻♂️
new zealand did well at the last olympics. much better than india.
So... soon they have to give back the seven Tours to Lance Armstrong... ;-)
Why not, he won them fair and square if you ask me. 😂
Will never happen.
Wells s Scott, I say a little juice never hurts😂😂 as long as the playing field is level.
Yeah, I can see that logic.
Hi reginald, what microphone and camera setup are you running in this video?
A DJI Osmo action 3 I think it’s called. But I plan to upgrade my equipment soon.
It's well known that professional body builders dope, Arnold talks about it in his recent bio pic
Yes.
Agreed. Lance is a tremendous cyclist
I think so.
Your videos, (other than the spliced in short clips), are great.
Keep it up and stay as controversial as needed.
Thanks for the truth.
Thank you Kindly. ❤️I think the clips were tastefully done in this video and some of it was added weight to the argument. Showing that many of my claims are backed up be other people. 😁👍🏻
All modern sports are based on farming, because it need a show and records. But the capabilities of the human body have long been overcome.
Agreed 👍🏻
There's another channel of a guy who cuts grass verges. He often stops in mid sentence when
his mower starts making an incongruous racket as if it were in great distress. Eventually he finds
the cause and chucks it back over his shoulder while examining the rotor blades.
Shaking his head in consternation he tells the viewers "you wouldn't believe how many
times I've had to make repairs to this rig on account of these ruddy rock throwing
idiots." Except he didn't say ruddy.
Ha ha, so he’s throwing them in the road and I’m throwing them back? 😂 I use plastic cables in my grass cutter. 🙂
why do they have speed bumps out in those rural areas?
Good question! Because the people who plan the roads here in Brunei are as stupid as they are in the UK. 😅
They're doing Lance times on slower disc brake bikes, make it make sense
I can’t! 😅 Not without. 👉🏻 💉
And GCN tells me to just chug beet juice....😂 I did my research. It's EPO. 😅
Ha ha ha 😅
As long as they leave out the “asshole” “mafioso” drug effect, it is ok
I see.
With all the money at stake, it is completely logical that every team does what it can to get an edge. We do this is other industries all the time. I recall the antics of NASCAR teams to get a tiny bit of extra HP with a slight change under the hood. Its not cheating unless you get caught. And in cycling, even the science that goes into the food they are eating is likely involved.
Agreed 👍🏻
About Brunei, Iam surprised of how clean it is on the roads you show. I am surprised I dont see other riders, but more so I dont see mopeds, small motorbikes, and hardly a person on the roads! It cant be like that everywhere?
Basically it is. Everyone drives, nobody walks and the few that cycle only cycle on certain roads… that I normally avoid.
@ please, let us see the “uglier” Brunei, that is, if there is such a thing. At least more populated areas, such as the marketplace, or “favelas”. Thanks
The only really dirty place are those occupied by foreign workers from Bangladeshi… they act like they are at home and throw all their rubbish in the street… but I’m not sure why anyone would want to see that? 🤔
Spot on, I can't believe anyone would defend the uci over Lance or the athletes. The organizations are the corrupt ones. I guess it's easier for them to believe the lies.
So true, sweet comforting lies.
This could be interesting.
Could be, but I wouldn’t hold your breath or anything. 😆
Like all sports.
You’re only as good as your last race , or event.
Interesting video. Looking forward to seeing your next
video .
All the best!
@@reginaldscot165 I can’t see how you can ride 200 kilometres and not be out of breath, have tired legs that you’ll want to rest or have a sore arse.
If everyone is doping, then everything balances out.. the best cyclist talent-wise still wins.. Nothing to talk about here…
I kind of agree with your first statement. But I also think there is a reason to talk about it. I mean, you can’t change the weather but people always talk about it. 😅
Ulrich was one of the First popular victims. He said: Everybody is doing it…
A victim? He cheated from A to Z.
@@hausmeister8336 Oh yes, that poor 'victim' who cheated his way to a TDF win. 🙄
Yup, even monkeys and elephants take drugs. 😅
It's time to Drain the swamp in cycling 😂😂😂 Everyone is bored of Pogi and his huge wins and dominance. Old man Cav won his last race ever 😂😂. This guy struggled to win a race 5 years ago that last for 10 years of his career, and now at 38 years old he can't stop winning 😮😂 Expect to see Cav coming out of retirement very soon 😂 Magic beans don't you know 😮
If he’s smart (and he’s definitely not, he’s one of the lowest IQ cyclists I’ve ever heard speak) he will stay retired and do some other job. Their is no advantage in getting greedy at this stage.
@@reginaldscot165Cry baby Cav defo got special magic beans treatments, and also the race organisers paying the sprinters to let Cav win. Human doping, mechanic doping & money doping. 😂😂😂
Of course there is peds in professional sports for the reasons you outlined,
money makes the world go round.
Team/personal achievement and national prestige are at stake.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is like an ostrich with their head in the sand😅
If people at club level are taking peds that is another matter,at least they have a choice.
There is no drug that does not have a detrimental side effect and for longevity most are best avoided.
It is most likely LA had cancer from his long term use of peds and or blood transfusions etc etc.
Yes, yes and yes. 👍🏻
The incentive structure being as you say... makes it too enticing to find a way to cheat.
So i've been left thinking, is there any field of human competitive endeavour which is fundamentally cheating free, or where cheating is definitely detected and punished at least eventually and which has retrospective justice?
Even chess tournaments, they're using wireless buttplugs to cheat, they have advice made by teams with powerful computers getting buzzed into their arse.
What were to happen if one were to just allow doping? This can't be quite without negative consequences either. Will young aspiring athletes start dropping like flies because they didn't take care, weren't medically controlled as they are experimenting on their bodies? Would the substances grow ever more potent and more hazardous?
Interesting points. I must admit I have seen a few chess masters sitting in very constipated positions during matches. 😆
yes
Lance the GOAT 🐐
One of for sure.
@reginaldscot165 When everyone has access, then it's fair game.
A great example to the youth!
@sunburntknees2904 Lance is a giant A hole, but how hard he can push himself is admirable. No one looks up to a person who isn't the winner, especially the youth. Lance's tenacity and self confidence is something anyone can admire
@@Livitt351 You can't speak for everybody. There's absolutely nothing that I admire about giant A-holes in any way whatsoever.
The difference between the former American cyclist who doped to win and other dopers (including Pantani) is that he also was a horrible person and treated other people very badly. And on top of that he also cheated with other things like filling is frame with ice to make it heavier at the start line. No respect, no glory.
I never heard that ice story, but don’t they weigh the bikes before and after? I believe they do now. Would the UCI guy weighing the bikes not notice the water dripping from the frosty ice cold frame? 😅
Sounds like a apocryphal story to me, one might even say “anecdotal.” ☺️
@@reginaldscot165 Absolutely anecdotal but coming from one his fellow pro riders.
we all want to see the superhuman performance, but aren't ready to see how it is done...
I was asking myself if I’d be happy to watch the cycling if they were slower. And to be honest I would, in fact if people bonked a bit more and actually looked tired I’d enjoy it more.
Yeah it is great to see people put it all out
Lance Armstrong won all those races officially, because I think they had to give them all to the 17th place runner up before they could find someone who was drug free.
Ha ha, and how did they find the clean cyclist when their testing didn’t work to find the dirty ones? 😅
No he didn’t.
I personally find the pain killer abuse most worrying. Most top riders have no emotions on their face while literally pushing 500 watts up a climb. (check their strava) That takes some serious pain killer doses on regular bases. Blood doping and some testosteron is almost healthy compared to that. These guys will 100% have liver issues in 20 years time. But its ok, they wont be sponsorship worthy anyway by then. So lets not even worry about that :)))
Tragic.
To say that it is ok to cheat when everyone else is cheating is just so disappointing. Really disappointing. And everyone doesn’t dope.
What’s wrong with that statement? “If” everyone IS cheating then the playing field is completely level! If all 100 cyclists turn up on a motorcycle 🏍️ then it’s a fair race. They are all on motorcycles!
Also define cheating? Is having a better training system cheating? Is having a better diet? Is having access to better sports drinks and supplements cheating? What about being born with better genetics? What about being on a richer team that has better equipment?
What if you have all of that going for you and the other competitors don’t… are you cheating? It’s an interesting question I often ponder.
It’s an individual choice.
But to give an example.
You agree for some honourable reason to fight someone to the death in hand to hand combat. (The reason can be anything you like, something serious like he has your family hostage.)
Anyway, you agree to fight with no weapon at a particular place and time. An hour before the fight you hear from a friend that your opponent is planning to bring a gun so he can shoot you dead before you have a chance to do anything.
Now, do you stick to your moral code and just turn up and get shot? Well done, you are a good (and very dead) person who failed to achieve their objective.
You see unless you have the mentality of a professional sportsman, a winner’s mentality you can’t understand the choices they make.
Also, if everyone is doing it, like the vast majority as I believe, then you have 3 choices:
1) Try to expose everyone. But that will fail and you will lose your job probably. As I said the race organisers aren’t even on your side, that much is obvious.
2) quit the sport. Congratulations, you are a man who dedicated the best years of his life to a career you just quit and now you are unemployed.
3) dope and stand a chance of gaining the things you worked very hard your entire life for.
@@reginaldscot165 "Is having a better training system cheating? Is having a better diet? Is having access to better sports drinks and supplements cheating? What about being born with better genetics? What about being on a richer team that has better equipment?"
No. No. No. No. No.
Bradley Wiggins. That is the chap 👦 he was referring to.
You think? 😄
@reginaldscot165 Lance was the goat 🐐, but these younger cyclist nowadays are just so 🔥 👌. I like Remco evenepoel , once he learns how to do mountains , he will be very close to winning TDF.
You got it all wrong: the only thing team doctors are doing is "preparazione"... not doping 😛😛😛
Makes sense. 🤔
You don't put 4 minutes on Pantanis PR on bread, water, and aero wheels Lol😂😂😂
Try telling that to some people. 🙄👍🏻
Tell us something we don't know!!
Some people don’t know, some people refuse to believe… 😄
@reginaldscot165 that's a good point "refuse to believe" 😂
Tour de Pharmacy 😂
That may be the best cycling documentary ever made 😀.
It wasn’t very funny, but it had its moments. 😁
So you don't know anything about the subject, but you decided to do a long video about it?🤔
So knowing professional athletes who take drugs to win is “knowing nothing about the subject.” 🤔
He does know a lot. And in that secret dirty “business” even impossible to know more. He provided some facts and arguments for our thoughts.
What he knows is clearly qualified in the narrative of the video. Don't whinge, make your own videos, see how well yours stand up.
Not more, new ones I think.
Only they know? 🤷🏻♂️
It’s not just the pros either
You know how basically everyone who goes to the gym is juicing just to look good?
Why would you think your weekend warriors aren’t also doing the same?
I’ve seen guys who were at the back on a group ride where you’d have to stop and wait for them to catch up, become super strong within a year and be nabbing KOMs
Yes I always wondered how many people I know are on the juice.
Of course there is doping in pro cycling and most other sports at a high level (and now even on amateur level), but to say that the majority of the pro peloton is doping is a claim that needs to be proven by cold hard facts. And just to remind everyone that you are to be presumed as innocent until proven guilty - not the other way round.
The fact is they all cross the finish line at about the same time in a race up mountains at 40kph that last 2 weeks.
Normal humans can’t do that and look a bit tired by the end of it. Most of them by the last day of the TDF look fresh as flowers.
@@reginaldscot165 And you could also say a similar thing about all other top athletes in all sports. Are they really all doped?
this is why we watch sports! are we not entertained!
Well, it’s not the only reason for me, I’d be very happy with watching normal people doing the TDF. 😅
I have the feeling that all is simply set up.
Could be… like WWE.
25:54 im doing too on corner
I can’t help enjoying myself. 😅
What are you on about? Today's carbohydrate gels are obviously better than EPO..
Facts! 🤪
You say that there is so much money in cycling that they won’t catch dopers. What?! Compared to football, formula, ice hockey, golf, NFL, baseball, NBA to mention a few the money in cycling is peanuts.
You are kind of proving my point. How often do you hear of doping scandals the size of the one in the TDF in say American football? Almost never and I bet my life savings that the majority of American football players are chock-full of Roids!
@@reginaldscot165 You don´t know too much about doping testing in American sports I see?
I too used to think that there's no way Armstrong would put that garbage into his body after recovering from cancer. However, i have no respect for him. Apparently he went to great lengths to destroy the career's of other riders that accused him of being a drug cheat. In all likelihood he wouldn't have won anything without drug assistance. But for me a cheat iis a cheat. Then of course you have to consider the long term consequences to your health. I remember the East German female sprinter's of the 70's. One, Marita Koch used to win the 400m with a 20-30m margin. Sure you get a medal etc. But. You know it wasn't really you.
Good comment. 🙂👍🏻
So many consider Lance a hero. It's unreal how people lose all morals.
@@DanTuber Or just didn't have any in the first place.
I hate people who like to always have the higher moral ground like you. Clearly almost everyone doping back than and most sports are not clean even the olympic back then and now and you act like Armstrong is the worst cheating athletes in history. how can it be ca cheating when everyone else doing the same thing?
That’s an easy one to answer. Many gifted athletes that should succeed don’t and can’t elevate. Others are break rules, taking their place. This is called cheating.
Several of these riders already dominated in the children's categories. So they were on drugs like 10-14 year old children?
Firstly when you say dominated did you see the same kind of performance? Or do you mean they won races?
Second, obviously all the cyclists in the TDF are the best cyclists in the world. They are all up against the best cyclists in the world. When they were racing as kids they were the best cyclists in the world at their age up against the average cyclist. Do you understand the difference here? Now they need drugs because the races are harder, incredibly hard and the competition is the best in the world.
@@reginaldscot165 Dominant means they usually compete with older riders and still are able to win races. In the category of children 2-4 difference age means a huge difference in performance. If a 13-year-old can compete against 16-year-old competitors at the national championship, it can be assumed that he will be among the best as an adult.
Applications such as Strava also help in the search for talent. That was the case for Vingegaard, who as an amateur made a KOM on a hill where professionals train.
The training has also changed. As someone said, "Todays traing kills everything nice on cycling." No group rides. Everyone has their own training plan and trains alone.
And higher speed during the race is really not evidence of doping. Just remember how racing was 20 years ago. It was boring. The riders had many race days, but mostly they just cycled, not raced. Merckx had in average 80 big races per year + lot of small because of sponsors(maximum 195 in single year). Todays average is about 50 race days per year.
Drugs there are, but illegal ones?
What do you mean by “illegal?” As the drugs they use are not necessarily illegal. 🙂
But are you not entertained?
I’d be entertained if they weren’t on drugs, it would be nice to see people react like I do when I go up a steep hill. 😅
You're 40? You don't look 40 at all! You seem younger than that by a fair amount of years...
But aside from that, yeah, I think they're still doping to this day, one way or another.
Thank you, I wish I was younger! 😅
Might be genetic? Or cycling? Or my diet? 🤷🏻♂️
@@reginaldscot165 Cycling sure as hell does help, but the other two do play an important role :) (by a biologist's opinion XD)
He’s clearly doping…
I got served up an ad from that scammer, China Cycling, during this video. He’s acting as a shill for some company called Magene. I won’t be buying their products
I feel sorry for you. Having to see that guys face can put you off your breakfast! And his shilling will give you a headache! 😂
@@reginaldscot165Wow! That was low. Expect better from a man like you tbh. Really disappointing.
Fine but show proof or stfu.
If you want proof go ride the TDF clean! Or STFU. 🤪
The first day would be his last...@@reginaldscot165
Couple of paracetamol before a ride will even help you perform
Yes I have actually tried that, but it worked well the first time and the second I got a stomach ache. 😂
@ done it once needing to ride back from the coast to London tired sore and feeling really rough
Was my fastest time
But would never take them regularly only emergency
Not good for the organs
Professional athletes are not normal people drugs or not.
Well yes by their very nature they are not the norm.
Then why hadn't they got caught yet despite so muhc testing nowadays versus during the time of Lance Armstrong. Vloggers like this just makes assumptions without proof to contradict actual testing of top athletes. Don't discount the fact that there are genarational talents like the LBJ, MJ's and Michael Phelps of the sport.
Lance was the most tested athlete in history, like 600 times and never caught. My video explains why the cyclists of today don’t get caught. It’s almost like you didn’t watch it and just made a comment. 🤔
@@reginaldscot165 The way lance was tested and how they do it now is different. You don't factor that as well. Better watch GCN's video to widen your limited and obvious biased perspective without actual proof, just your words.
Somebody...sure. Unless you present any evidence the only purpose of this video is to gain some clicks.
Whatever you say buddy.
@reginaldscot165 whatever you and your somebody say.
Prove it then.. But until then it is all bs, as if we haven't seen any outlier in other sports, Usain Bolt? Phelps? Messi? Ronaldo? Lin Dan, Lee Chong Wei? Are these super athletes in their respective sports all cheating?
Prove they aren’t cheating then! You see how redundant your comment is right? It’s like asking someone to prove the existence of God. Until he comes down from Heaven and slaps you in your face some people won’t believe.
There is evidence for the riders doping, I spoke about it in the video but you can’t prove anything until someone admits it because the testing doesn’t work, or they aren’t really trying to catch them.
Try to use your brain and stop getting offended because I’m pointing the obvious facts.
And as for other athletes, yes they probably are using something, yes they are very talented but that doesn’t mean they don’t also dope. They will use different drugs depending on the type of sport, even F1 drivers use drugs.
@reginaldscot165 so using your logic everyone is a liar until someone prove otherwise? I'll one up you, you are an moron unless you can prove otherwise huh? That's your logic right? Just because dedicated people can do extraordinary stuff that simple folks like you and me can't doesn't mean they are cheating, yes you are ordinary, unless you can prove otherwise, that's according to you.
And there are SO many more names you can add on that list.
@@reginaldscot165You are guilty until proven innocent… or wait a minute 🤔
@@reginaldscot165 according to your logic, eyeryone is a liar until proven otherwise huh? Then that includes your whole video... Just because dedicated people can do extraordinary things doesn't mean they are cheating, just because ordinary people can't do it, doesn't mean exceptional people can't, and yes you are ordinary.