2023 Sportsman XP1000 v CFMOTO Overland 1000 v Outlander 1000R| The PROBLEM w/PREMIUM!
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- In this video, we take a look at the 2023 Premium Model Lineups from the companies who make large displacement ATVs; Polaris Sportsman XP1000 Ultimate Trail, CFMOTO Overland 1000 and CanAm's Renegade + Outlander XT-P and XXC.
Clips in this video to check out:
ATVonDemand's Test of the 2019 CanAm Outlander 1000R XT-P:
• 2019 Can Am Outlander ...
ATVonDemand's Shootout of the Renegade vs Outlander:
• Can Am Renegade 1000R ...
Robertson's Powers & Sports CLUB BRP WALK AROUND OF THE 2023 CAN-AM OUTLANDER 1000
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That last statement was so true…at these prices no wonder we keep seeing more CFMOTOS.
#bringbackbasemodels
No doubt! When I picked up my new KingQuad 750 I eyeballed the Overland 1000 closely and you get ALOTTT of features for thousands less than a “ low end” version from the big 2. Im just also sick of dealers adding their own accessories to mark the price up on all their inventory .
@@joekearney Part of the reason I bought my CF, tired of the mark up and b.s. from these dealers.
@@rzl07375 How is it performing so far? How many miles and hours on it? What kind of riding do you do?
@@Jil1A Only a few hundred miles so far. Performs great, I mostly trailride, no deep mud riding. Mines a 600 so not a bigger model but I like it a lot.
@@rzl07375 It’s very frustrating man. Oh let’s add these hand guards and tires they’re worth 1500$ .
The CF Moto's are coming on strong in our area, I went to the dealer to look at them and they do look like they are real players now. Polaris and Can Am are riding the wave of people spending like crazy, they are both good machines just got so darn pricey.
CF Moto pretty popular here too.... I can relate to the Polaris and Can Am riding the wave. I couldn't even get the Polaris salesman to get up from his desk to show me the machine, he just told me the price and sat back like - take it or leave it.
I went to a CF Moto dealer just to poke around and it was a massive difference, they dang near tore the machine down to show me everything from where the battery was to how hard it was to get at the top end for valve adjust.
You get what you pay for
I picked up a new Rubicon few years back. Not deluxe but eps and dct. It's a good quad. Climbs amazingly and easily does 80+ mph. Ok, maybe I exaggerated the speed....by a lot. It's actually SAF but I still love it.
Excellent breakdown and I couldn't agree more about the canam lineup. Polaris has forgotten about the average joe riders, CFMoto is picking them up quick. Canam is slaying the highend market.
I think Polaris stands to lose the most significant chunk of the market to cfmoto.. But yeah, CanAm makes stuff for the folks who want ultra performance.. You can tell they still have a voice or two in their boardroom that is a true enthusiast.... That's a dying art..
Really great presentation! You make a lot of solid good points here about the OEMs making customization choices for these top-end units based on the lowest bidder. Seems to be the reality in a lot of cases 🤔✌👊💥
Thanks DT!!! We just miss base model options! But nowadays, even when dealers have base models, the dealership will add a bunch of bolt-ons and upcharge.. We're seeing that on ATVs and ADV bikes a lot down here..
Agreed Sir!
I own a 2019 800 CF Moto, a 2021 600 CF Moto and a 1997 Polaris Sportsman 500. You get lots of bang for your buck with CF Moto.
Thanks again for another ATV focused video. I think another factor is if your spending 16k on an atv your getting damn close to side by side prices. Gone are the days when I bought a new Sportsman 500 in the early 2000’s for 6k and had a bike that realistically could go anywhere and do anything on the trails. Polaris doesn’t build atv’s like that anymore. Heck I remember questioning the build quality of it then. In my opinion the new 570’s won’t last like the old 500’s. This premium price grab is killing the atv sport. Personally I’ve never been as comfortable in a UTV as I am on something like Flying Brian’s new grizzly. Keep the videos coming. CF Moto is going to be in the top 3 of the sales numbers if the trend continues soon.
You're 100% correct! Polaris ATV quality peaked with the Sportsman 500.. Just 4-5years ago you could get a 570 sub 6k easily.. Their quality has gone down and their prices have gone up.. The Ultimate Trail XP1000 should cost 2k less than an Outlander XT-P because they aren't even in the same ballpark
the thing that turns me off from the bigger cf motos is that 2up configuration not everybody needs it or wants it and they dont have a normal 4 wheeler in those sizes only up to the 600
Agree 100%
As a CF Moto owner I agree, time for a one seat 800 and 1000. But I will say the extended chassis on the 2 seaters is so smooth.
My personal opinion, I've never regretted having the 2-up. If someone wants to come along to try offroading, or run someone up the road, or any other of the dozens of scenarios I've had. You can always do it safely.
Add the fact that at least 50% of ATV'S I see on the trails are 1ups with those sketchy trunks that add a seat. Not safe at all and a whole load of ugly guaranteed to add some grandpa styling to your ride.
My overland does the same thing as the outlander and renegades I ride with but more comfort to me even being I'm on 32's
@@seeyouonthetrails maybe with the people you ride with. And I'm not saying your riding easy or that it's not a good choice for some. But here is a reason you don't see a CF Moto doing full throttle skeg.
What it can't do, tow as much as a Honda 520, KQ 500, or many other smaller ATV's, and not to mention a these tow 50% more and a Polaris or Can-Am can do 60% more. The CfM 1000 can't even handle moving my 2 ATV trailer around the yard.
Lastly a CF Moto will never out throttle any 850-1000 Polaris or Can-Am. Possibly even a KQ750.
This video took some work to make. Top shelf information as usual, gents. I like the audio in this video. Great work, as usual 👊🏻😎🇺🇸🇨🇦
Thank you brother!
CF MOTO... I don't know how much power is needed on a 1000 ATV, but the CF MOTO Overland will pull a 7x14 cargo trailer with a riding lawnmower in it and will pull a zero turn out of a ditch😁. As far as speed , I don't know how fast it will go, but I got it to 65 mph with plenty throttle left, and for me on an Off-road vehicle, knowing it will go highway speeds on dirt is good enough for me. I use the CFM to move my trailers around the yard mainly, then it goes back into the garage. When one buys a cfmoto , they will give you a free ATV course. You will have to take your ATV to the ATV park where they hold the classes. I'm not into racing the ATV, but I know it will get the work done if one put it to work like I do. The luggage racks came with my cf1000 but the Rear Seat I had to purchase separately at the time of purchase. I need to get some videos up of it.
Sounds like you're happy with it! That's great! I agree it's plenty of power, but i added the difference in the video so everyone understands a 1000cc sticker doesn't have the same power implications..
@@DirtObseXXion For sure. I'm not familiar with what the other ATVs can and will do, I just thought I'd share my buying experience of a $9k CF MOTO. Indeed I understood your mentioning of everything. The 9k price of the 1000cc and the 5k price on the 600cc was the reason I bought both at the end of the day, other than the fact on the show room floor the CF Motos just looked better in my opinion. There was another ATV that looked like a space bug(It was a renegade or Polaris sportsman) that I wanted but 24k for an ATV ?? No thanks I'll take 2 of the cf Motos please. So yep you are probably right about why you are seeing more cf Motos on the trails these days. Thanks for the vids as always👍
Cf motor is going to get more popular just because of the price difference. Not alot of people are willing to pay that extra 5k. Its offroad vehicle not a car.
yup, that was me!
You definitely hit the nail on the head. While I'm not one to uber customize my machines, I still like having the option to do so and not have to pay a frankly outrageous price for a four wheeler. I have been looking very seriously at the CFmoto 1000 overland since I don't need to have the top end speed and don't do very much super technical or deep mud riding. For the price, it's just hard to look past.
Right on.. We just picked up a Grizzly 700 and King Quad 750 so we can do a thorough comparison. I like big single cylinder power for trail riding..
The prices of ATV's and SxS are absolutely nuts. I know a few people that sold their ATV's recently when the prices on the used market were really high and they have migrated out of ATVing completely, with the complaint that it's just too expensive.
It is outta control, that's for sure..
I love my CForce 500
Love your atv reviews PLEASE keep putting out atv reviews
Thank you! Will do!
My Dad bought a used 2020 CFMOTO CForce 600 Touring, the two place model. While I have little experience riding ATVs, this machine is well put together (paint marks on bolts to visually ensure they're not coming loose), with well fitting body panels and a nice running engine. And the long wheelbase ride? Oh so cush!
I've put my name on a waiting list for a Can-Am Outlander 850 Max XT (two seater again) and look forward to receiving it someday. I wanted the 2-Cylinder engine for smoother running and by ordering the LWB Max I know it should provide a very nice ride as well.
(Why the Can-Am? A lot of nostalgic and emotional memory. I rode Ski-Doo Elans and Olympics when I was a kid. Maybe I'll call my Can-Am "the Ski-Doo". And I'm aware the Can-Am Outlanders get pretty good reviews.)
Hey guys love the channel and the content ! Just bought a CF Moto 1000 overland in Ohio. All the footage you guys use of the Cforce 1000 is the Canadian model. The U.S. model has different storage and doesn't come with a 2 up seat. I'd love to see you wring out a cforce 1000 and get your honest opinion. I'm impressed with mine so far. That being said it is new and we will see how it shakes out. I was the only one of my riding buddies willing to be the guinea pig on a big Moto.
Thank you!! I knew we were using Canadian footage but I didn't realize the storage was different.. I checked one out at a local dealership in Louisville.. Things a behemoth! Keep us posted on how it does! And I'd love to check it out if you're ever in KY!
100% correct. I spend 6 days per week at a CF dealer and have ridden 2 Overlands so far and those storage boxes are gigantic. Don't need them, or that back support that fills out the stretched chassis. A single seat so I can throw my leg over the rack and not drag it on the seat is all I would need. Nice ride and decent power that has the potential for more after the warranty is up. I'm not in the market right now because I'm supporting a collection of 6 Honda and Yamaha 3 wheelers and another 6 4wd atvs, hence the 2 jobs.
I'm buying a Yamaha grizzly, however I think what the ATV market has become as more BS than a Bull in a BS show.... Actually that's what it has become. Remember I am getting a Yamaha grizzly however I prefer gear on gear because I like that option to select gears and have a little bit of fun ripping on trails or cruising around. The side-by-side market and the ATV market has absolutely been screwed, As far as options and price points. I love you guys as show keep up the good work and thank you for all your reviews.
Thank you! And congratulations on grabbing a new machine! I feel ya on the gear on gear, that's our preference too..
Great video guys. Yea these prices are getting crazy and to just cut out the base units is ludicrous to me I rather get a base and customize it myself though aftermarket retail and while doing it when I’m ready to do it. Y’all take care bro
Exactly! Thanks AJ, always good to hear from you!
2022 can-am 1000xxc outlander, rolled 3rd hr.. I raced solid axle 5 years so I was always a solid axle sport atv.
Great video guys like always. On pumping videos for us that ATV enthusiasts. Can you do a review and the all new 2022 redesign artic cat alterra 600 black hills edition
I wish we could but we'd have too buy one, and I'd never buy Alterra personally..
Well that’s all I needed to about the alterra. I trust you guys
I just passed $25,000 in my 63 1/2 wheelbase Sportsman xp 1000 added $$4,000 just this week new front gear case with super ATV Aluminum roller cage and custom made steel pinion cover ,Highlifer transmission and RJWC exhaust got to test it out today and it insane.
So you get what you pay for and my money is on the Sportsman xp 1000 . I haven't been see the Cfmoto on the Trails but a local dealer is selling the crap out of them so I don't know were they are going but they aren't going on the Black Trails I ride on.
Quite a build! The RJWC stuff looks awesome..
Purchased a 21 Cforce 600 2 up and very happy with it. Price of 6k for whats been a solid machine so far is a big bang for the minimal price tag. Plus CF Moto offers upgraded equipment on the base models you would pay extra for with other brands.
Hahaha poor guy🤦♂️ enjoy your chinese machine.
Oh stop, ur so ignorant u have no clue
Out of curiosity where are you all located, I'm taking a vacation in a few months and I was wandering if you would be ok if I stopped by and did some riding with you all. I would like to do a couple upgrades and if you want to do the build and a before and after review I would be stoked!
Central KY near Elizabethtown.. That would be fun!
Great video as usual. Have you guys ever heard of TGB? They too make a 1000cc quad with an MSRP around 12k. I'd love to hear your thoughts on them, I can't find any user reviews on TGB from the US.
Yes I've heard of them but I've never seen one in the US.. Argo ATVs are actually re-branded TGBs.. I talked about them a little in the 1000cc ATV video from last year..
@@DirtObseXXion wow! I had no idea Argos were rebranded TGBs. I'm curious about them since I have a dealer close to me. The biggest attraction at first to them is the dealer only charges tax, no freight or doc fees that double the price of the quad.
Just bought a new 2022 CFMoto 1000 Overland for $9,948.00 OTD...very nice machine.
I have own most of the ORV brands except Kawasaki, Canam and CFMoto. I keep finding myself gravitating back to Polaris. Since 2011 I have owned 5 different Polaris models and put 1,000s of miles on them and have never had any issues. I currently own 2 Atvs and 1 SXS. At today's ORV prices I will not be buying new anymore and if I do it will be something like the CFMoto after my current ones are completely beat into the ground!
I'm glad you have had good luck with the quads.. We've had 2 xp1000s and had a ton of issues.. But I hear you on the prices!
Sold my Polaris and bought 2 CFMotos...800xc and 1000 Overland...both machines are awesome.
Man that red and white Outty 1k looks SWEET!
That being said I couldn’t agree more about the forced options because for a couple years or so now I’ve been preaching against dealers no longer selling factory machines from their inventory ! The place we bought our kids Honda recons , my sportsman 1000, and my X3 SxS adds something to every machine and jacks the price up more! They won’t sell a stock machine . Like wtf , so I Trade my modded machine in and my mods don’t add any value because , “ your tastes may not match any potential customers tastes , BUT our accessory tastes are what you need and justify us asking an additional 1500$ for those tires and hand guards “!
90% of the accessories especially the tires are awful. Just sell people a factory machine ! ALOT of dealers are doing this now trying to make up cash revenue for lower inventory issues.
Also yea those “ bumpers” on my Polaris premium 1k could be bent just about with hand strength . And I’ll add if I ever step back into the horsepower game it’d be an XT Outlander 1k hands down . Can am a price increases weren’t near as bad as Polaris’s IMO.
Great vid.
I can say the base Outty 1k I had was a beast of a machine minus the shocks petering out over time…that may happen when you’re trying to jump with substantial man meat in the saddle!
@@flyingbriando5521 Lolol ! I’m sure yours and Chads riding style hadn’t a thing to do with it 😂
Like I mentioned a minute ago mannnnn that red and white Outty early in the can am section of the vid had me drooling . I believe if I had just gotten an outlander 1000 back when I got the sportsman 1000, I’d still have it and never made this run around and decision to go back to lower HP and Japanese quality.
I've noticed that from certain dealers too! I understand upsetting but do it after someone buys a machine, not before
@@DirtObseXXion Alottt of them do it here in Arkansas at least .
What fuel additives bro?
@Dirt ObseXXion. As always thanks for the great presentation.
I was hoping that you guys could review a couple brand that you rarely see get any real in depth reviews.
-Segway Snarler
-Any CfMoto maybe a smaller cc option?
-Arctic Cat as they’ve been trying to turn things around and just released to new 600 Mud Pro
Thanks! I'd really like to review them all but we have to buy our machines so it's tuff.. im hoping to do a smaller cfmoto but we haven't seen a Snarler in the states yet..
Loving the more atv focused vids , screw SXS’s
You said it! 🤘
As usual you are spot on. I recently made the move back to atv to avoid the loud stereo/ neon whip sxs crowd. I did however buy the sportsman 1000S, and yes it is way overpriced but I'm old and I get what I want. I went polaris because nothing else rides as smooth.
The S models are pretty cool and very capable, especially if you're riding in SXS areas! Welcome back to ATVs! 🤘
The only gripe I have is for the price of the 1000s, I feel like I should have instantly became tall, handsome, and hung. None of the listed have happened as of yet. I still remain hopeful. 😁
@@jeffh7496 If you Crack that code let me know please!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As always, great video.
The only way to expand and continue growth in any off-road market is to allow entry level purchasers to buy entry level machines (people who either don’t have a lot of money or people who have money but are buying there first ATV).
I understand that there isn’t a lot to shotgun beers about in the last few years as it’s relates to new ATV lineups but try to sprinkle in a few upbeat videos. Let’s get people pumped up…the ATV’s lineups aren’t necessarily new, but they are still awesome. Except for Polaris, who should focus on selling overpriced, unreliable razors until they file for bankruptcy in 2024.
The #1 reason the ATV market is down is the trendy SXS’s. The profit margins are bigger. Ultimately, everyone in the United States (and by the United States I mean ever state except California) Will realize that sxs’s are only really fun for the driver, take up to much space, and require massive trails that resemble an interstate. Yes, they can be fun at times and it is nice to include the family…but overall side by sides are overrated.
Good points, I'll try to keep it more positive.. It's difficult to find new and interesting topics in a market where not much changes so im just trying to keep ATVs relevant..
I do think losing base models is an issue though.. I feel like manufacturers are trying to squeeze ATV enthusiasts for everything they're worth because of the profit margin issue you mentioned.. I'd just like to see exciting AND affordable options.. CanAm has figured this out in their on-road machines.. The Ryker sells like crazy because interesting, fun, and affordable.. I wish they applied that kind of innovative effort in ATVs, but I do think they offer the best ATV lineup of anyone.. Thanks for feedback!
Here’s a good saying relating to your comment. “I’d rather be riding instead of driving” whoever gets it gets it and whoever doesn’t doesn’t
@@Jamenj1999 I've said that in previous videos
This just in…
1. The 2024 Yamaha Raptor’s are now 4 wheel drive.
2. The 2024 Yamaha Grizzly powers up to an 850.
3. The 2024 Outlander now has push button gear selection.
4. All 2024 brute forces come standard with IPT terracross tires and fly-by-wire controls.
5. All 2024 Polaris ATV’s are automatically returned and replaced with Can Am ATV’s.
6. Honda switches the Rincon to CVT.
7. The 2024 CF Moto overland comes with an electronically controlled air ride suspension.
8. Kawasaki re-releases the 2024 KFX.
@@firewoodblake1243 Lol!!LOL!!! I'd settle for a Z400 comeback! That Polaris part tho.. 🤣🤣🤣
Just bought a new 2022 Polaris XP Sportsman 1000s for $18.6k I could have order one for about a $1k less but I did not want to wait 6 months and so far, I love it
You got the S model?? Definitely nothing more capable.. We had a Scrambler S for awhile, it could do some insane stuff..
Ive noticed dealers here in the Tennessee area adding huge wheels and huge heavy tires to there atvs which for me just ruins it and keeps me from buying it since I don’t want it that way.same thing with side by sides with $10,000 or more in parts I don’t want already on it. I want to test ride and buy a base model but I’m not having any luck doing that at all. Pedestrian avoidance systems and blind spot monitoring and start stop technology is probably what they will add to them next lol can you imagine every time your ATV sees a mud hole it hits the brakes so you can’t go in it. Every time you come to a stop your engine turns off 😤😦lol thanks for your videos. I hope manufacturers don’t take things in this direction I’m just being dumb.
You're not the first person to say that about dealerships.. That definitely sucks!
My problem is availability. I ordered a 2022 1000 XTP 11 months ago and still don't have it. Incredibly frustrating waiting a year for a four wheeler.
That's awful! We hear that from a lot of folks too..
Love this channel
Thank you!
Tell me about it! Prices in Canada here are insane! I'm looking at a Kodiak 700 EPS SE and with no accessories it comes out to just under $16k!! Went and looked at one of the used ones near me and it had water in the damn oil!
That's a crazy price! I'm glad you checked the oil on that used one.. A lot of guys get excited and forget to do a solid once over..
@@DirtObseXXion Yea, it's really pushing me to want to buy new, I want to ride on the weekends, not work on my bike lol
Tough for Can-Am and Polaris to compete with the Chinese on pricing....but I agree that there should still be base model 1-Liters from Can-Am anf Polaris.
I have the money to go buy the baddest sxs on the market right now but I’d still rather my XXC 1000r renegade bc I like to ride not drive
Good rant.
Lol! Thanks Q!
As for premium quads ........or any quads and the prices of them a buyer has to know what type of rider they really are .
I am on my 16th quad and it's a cf Moto Overland 1000 and as for it's price it's alot of money but far better purchase than a new sled of the same coin for 3 weeks of patchy weather seasonal riding .
Compare the Overland to the other quads (apples n oranges argument)
The Overland does not make clicking, clacking or squeeking noises while riding like the can ams do .
The Overland gets 218 kms to a tank of fuel , clicker shocks , bead lock wheels and it's comfortable waaaay comfortable all kinds of accessories as well .
True lock 4x4 is spot on and a necessity, not like can am spin tire visco lock or all wheels sometimes drive from Polaris
The engine is smooth and predictable linked up with CV tech clutching
I really like the cf Moto I am happy with my purchase, I usually ride around 100 km when I go out and it does a great job
So yes I do agree , there is an issue with "premium quads" drop the price and let the buyer stack on the extras when they are ready to modify.
But I also know that it's not just the word premium that erks ppl
it's the quality of all the machines that the manufacturer is sending out the door . Suzuki steering , can am noises , Polaris reliability, arctic cat bland brand , kawi 2005 - 2023 unchanged , Honda 24 HP , Yamaha well ,......if Yamaha came out with a two up I would be a Yamaha customer still .
Thanks for the videos and thanks for your time
Such a great comment, thanks for sharing your experience! I 100% agree that it's the customer who has to be honest with themselves about their needs..
The front end whining bothers me on the overland
Am interested how the cf moto x1000 2023 gona look
Hey guys, love your vids. You are so so lucky over there. I’m in Australia and we can’t even get a Polaris anymore. I have a 2019 sportsman 570 and wanted to move up to the 850 or 1000, but due to our new roll over laws, Polaris and heaps of others have pulled out of the market. Not bitching at you for bitching, but yeah just bitching in general. We should be so lucky.
I heard about that, it's crazy!!! Come to the US and ride with us before we adopt those stupid nanny state laws too!!!
@@DirtObseXXion That’s the plan Hopefully within the next 2 years and fill a shipping container of them to send back home to myself 👍🏻👍🏻
So what are roll over laws? Right to sue if someone rolls over?
@@nickmcnellis3937 The government has made new laws that all atv’s must be fitted with a roll over bar that helps protect the rider from being crushed in the advent of a roll over, even on private land. And they must be factory fitted. So Polaris and some others just pulled out of the market instead of changing the design. It’s a shame, but I do understand it, with Australia being such a small market compared to the States. Wish they had of though. 🥲🥲
I couldn’t agree more with the whole price point view. The machines are way to expensive nowadays…
Great video. Lots of info crammed into less than ten mins. I’m saving for a hunter edition 570 outlander. $15,000 CDN. 😐
Wow! For a 570... Thank you!!!
@@DirtObseXXion
Yup that’s with all the taxes and extra fees. + a multi month wait from what I’ve heard.
Not even seeing manufacturers rebates anymore…greedy manufacturers
It's true... They don't offer them when they don't need them to clear out old stock..
Amen brother well said
I harp on the pricing as much as anyone, but to be fair, top dog machines in the 90s were 400s and 500s and ran $6500. Even the Griz 600 retailed for that when it dropped in 1998. That's about the equivalent of $12,000 today
Fair point, but really all I was trying to say is that taking away base model options is what sucks...
@@DirtObseXXion they sure do make you pay for the Liter class, but they still have value in the 850s starting just north of $10k.
ATVing as a whole has changed so much in the last 10 years..moving towards profits over customer appreciation and there are so many newbies being drawn in just cus their neighbor has one and they wanna keep up with the Jones's...just like everybody having those ugly ass 2 ft wide speakers on there rack...blasting music....its all about hey look at me look at me, instead of actually enjoying the sport for what it is.. motor noise and slip ons is what I listen for...not blaring rap music...smh lots douches bags infiltrating and rutting out great trail systems
Very true! I want to hear awesome exhaust notes not country rap!
Good breakdown, the Canam does sound superior to the others. But most people are on a budget and simply want to get outdoors and enjoy the day.
Very true! That's exactly why I included the Overland.. It's the perfect machine for some folks but it's also to put it in proper perspective..
If you want to enjoy the outdoors and ride don’t buy a cfmoto worst of the worst if your on a budget buy a used Honda it will treat you better 100% guaranteed
@@DirtObseXXion I don't agree. A friend of mine has over 7500 miles on his Cforce 800. He loves it and never had an issue. Just regular maintenance. I know many high miles Cmoto owners who are quite happy. People who have opinions are the one that haven't had a cfmoto long or at all. So their opinion isn't of true experience. I have 5000 kms on my Zforce, rode all types of terrain and no issues. But then I'm not a rider that beats the hell out of it. Then again it doesn't matter what brand you have, you beat it up, it will break.
BTW I like all brands, they don't pay me to put one above the other.
Let's just have fun and enjoy the outdoors. That's all that matters
@@richardlovato8980 Too funny. Let's hear your CFMOTO experience. Here's mine. It's the red one pictured to the left. 4300 trouble free miles. It's 1 of 3 I currently own....and the 6th I've owned in 5 years. The only money I ever wasted on a CFMOTO...was purchasing extended warranties that I never had to use. Let's hear your CFMOTO experience. Ready....set....go.
Base outlander isn't gone.
Go into the build configuration on the website. Click the engine options and it'll change it.
The base 1000 is gone...
@@DirtObseXXion I stand corrected. The 1000 is available from the XT package and up.
@@jam79car Not that big a deal with the CanAm's because like I mentioned, their premium editions are pretty sweet.. I don't think the xp1000 Ultimate Trail is nearly as good as the Outlander XT-P at the same price. But really I'm just trying to make ATV focused content in a market that doesn't roll out many new machines. So in order to do that sometimes I'm over analyzing any little lineup change. But hopefully it's entertaining at least..
@@DirtObseXXion it absolutely is entertaining. A lot of other channels have moved into the sxs market. I enjoy install, reviews, and ride videos.
Not enough ATV content now.
Additionally, some channels are specific types of riding. Ostacruiser videos are hours and hours of the same thing. Gets monotonous.
@@jam79car I'm glad to hear it! That's why I don't like to do ride videos.. We try to stay focused on different machines and the market instead of trying to make it about us..
recently purchased 22 Grizz SE…tax, etc., fully extended warranty, $13k out the door. Love the quad and I think worth it, although $13k for a 700 is still bonkers. To spend $17-$20k on a quad is even that much more rediculous. They are approaching, if not surpassing some viable side by side prices with these “ultra” premium versions.
We love the Grizzly but those prices are just crazy..
This is why I went used, and I know it’s a risk but if you know what you are looking for you can come out saving 5-10k. I got a max 1000 outlander for 7500 and it’s been nothing but good to me only had 600 miles when I got it so I’m more than happy
That's not bad. I paid that for my 2016 Grizzly 708 eps. Before I left the dealership I upgraded to the 2" tow receiver and alloy rim and a inch taller and wider tires. 13k grand total is what I paid. I had nothing but problems my first 3 years with that machine. Currently own a 21 Cfmoto Cforce 800xc. So far it's been reliable.
Nice!
Thanks Rick!
Here in Canada a new outlander 1000 max limited costs 23k with taxes and the ever growing fees. Absolutely absurd. Well above the difference in currency. I'm financially comfortable but unless I had f you type money, I would never drop that kind of money on an atv. There is nothing there to justify the cost. I even battled with myself over whether I wanted to spend just over half as much for my rubicon 520. Sure it's way slower, but it will run for 30 years and it doesn't spend half the summer in the shop because it doesn't break something every time I take it out lol
For 2000 bucks I could add on all sorts of good stuff and arguably end up with a fat better trail machine.
Honestly if I could give that thing 5 more horses it would be the perfect atv to me. It's just a hair low on power. It was a good improvement over my old 2018 500 deluxe, but could still use just a bit more.
That is a crazy price.. Yeah that Honda makes for a good trail rig for sure.. Ive spent a good bit of time on them..
Love the CAN AM….but I ended up going CFMOTO …at 5k (plus) less. I just couldn’t justify spending 15-16 plus for what you get. Yeah, I’ll go CFMOTO …CAN AM and Polaris can kiss it ….Way too proud of their products.
Polaris is definitely screwing people a little with their wheelers but their snowmobile pricing and options are still pretty good. Where they get you is the $400 price tag on storage bags for your sled lol.
Dang!!! I use cheap pvc bags on my ADV bike.. Wild heart dry bags..
Rode CF Moto Overland 1000 for weekend in August 2022. I was in Arkansas with an air temperature of 98 degrees. Engine heat was excessive a deal breaker for me. Right leg gets so hot its uncomfortable to ride. Also, engine braking free wheels when throttle released. Another deal breaker for me. Other wise the machine seemed OK. The suspension is soft when the machine is pressed...could be adjusted out. I own a Can Am Outlander 1000 XTP and rode back to back with the Moto. There is a great deal of difference in these two machines. I am just an average rider with 20 years of ownership experience.
Great input thanks! In our experience, heat is an issue on the big CanAms as well.. Have you added or programmer to fix the heat issue, or was the CFMOTO noticeably that much worse?
@@DirtObseXXion I have not done anything to the Can Am...the heat on the CF was that much worse! Really did not like the engine braking as well...down hill off camber is difficult to modulate. Both me and my riding buddy thought engine heat was really excessive.
@@jonfelty6063 I agree, have an 800xc my right leg gets HOT. the right shock reservoir gets too hot to touch after a while as well.
I took the plastics off our Cf motos and heat wrapped everything under there, It was a HUGE difference in heat. Then I opened the clutch cover, removed the primary and ripped the stupid one way bearing out. Engine braking fixed, and Heat fixed. All very cheap to do.
Details on one east bearing removal
I am considering a cfmoto overland to go along with my Rubicon.
Yeah I’m picking my cf moto up this week. Can’t wait
@Jason Richard . That's awesome. Where about do you live? Great to hear about updates.
I’m in Texas! I
@Jason Richard . Texas!? Man, you can't overland in Texas...too many fences! Lol. Gotta come a bit further west!
@@matthewhoopes4440 right! Hahaha! I’m going to use it mostly for trail and work around the heavily wooded small property’s we own. I would love to take it on a trip.
Who would put that much money into a quad? That’s pretty crazy!
I need to rethink the influences in my life..
The 15k+ keeps me from ever buying one. The raptor was 12 otd so the 15 is more like 18. Thats what my turbo s velocity was listed for new. The value is just not there for me.
Iv got a brand new, well 2021 kodiak 700, base model, got it for 7800 out the door, then added about 2500 in upgrades...and it's still reliable as hell...and hauls ass as much if not more than a grizz will...and I'll bet money it will be running strong still 5 years from now, hell maybe 10...but I'd bet money you will never find a used can am 5+ years from now that's priced reasonable and still running reliably....just not in the same ball park...so why pay so much for something that's gonna grenade in a single digit amount of years
I think CanAms are pretty solid, the Rotax motor is awesome.. But you're right, the Kodiak will last 20years if you treat it right..
Cool thing about the 1000 Overland is for a few hundred bucks you can get an ecu tune that puts the power right in the ballpark with the other 2 and your still getting premium features for thousands less. But those Outlanders are sick.
That is cool! The Outlanders are definitely sick tho.. That XXC 🤘
@@DirtObseXXion The XXC is ridiculous, love it. But don't love the price, so probably end up with another CF Moto lol.
you can get a base 850 can am, so if you car about it that much you can easily close that HP gap
True, but with the same mods on the 1000 you'd get that much more 🤷♂️
Meh, at that point whats 10 HP, how fast are you honestly going on the trails anyways, i get your point but i think they have to many options as is LOL love the content though keep on keeing on 👌
@@19craig93 No that's fair too.. I'm a single thumper fan.. 1000s are too much, but I gotta make a video about something since there's never new wheelers to talk about :)
@@DirtObseXXion would love to see you do some collaborations with other off roading channels 🤟
@@19craig93 That would be cool.. I started a 2nd channel to do more vlog type stuff like that.. I kinda want to keep this channel focused on atv reviews and the atv market.. We may do some ride videos, XC Race vlogs, and adventure bikes on the other channel..
Ask Honda to make a 2up and watch that explosion on the trails every weekend.
Ask Honda for more displacement and watch that explosion on the trails every weekend….
I'm hesitant to watch this video in full considering my 2022 sportsman xp 1000 hunter edition just got dropped off a couple weeks ago 😆
You should be good! Our honest opinion is that it's a solid ATV as long as you ride it like 570.. If you push it, you'll find it's limitations. Biggest issue we had was with the oneway bearing in the clutch. It will seize up and not want to shift. Bushings and bearings wear out quickly so keep an eye on loosening suspension components (arms shocks hubs). The steering also tends to loosen at the upper bushing and lower steering post. We've had two, both had those issues. My front diff blew pretty early on and the fuel pump quit. The motor is phenomenal and so is the transmission.. I only mention those items because it was our personal experience and can help you with trouble shooting should you ever encounter an issue. I hope you enjoy it, for all it's faults it's still a fun machine!
@@DirtObseXXion Thanks for the tips! Been watching your videos for a long time, this is my first foray into the big bores (been on sportsman 500/550/570s all my life). Certainly in love with the power and the smoothness of the whole experience so far, but that can be easy on a new ride. Fingers crossed I'll be able to keep it around for the long haul, I had heard about some common issues with the fuel pump. For $16k I sure hope it lasts a while haha
Scratch that - literally dropped off the day this video was released. Talk about rough timing!
Sticker Shock.
I'm on board that can am provides better components in their 1000 compared to polaris, but how can you criticize polaris for including led lights in their sportsman, and then praise can am for doing the same?
The comparable cost increase.. You get far more from the CanAm.. LED lights should be standard equipment on a premium machine, not a key feature
The solution: buying a used Atv for a fraction of the price that you can customize and do whatever you want with for under half the price.
Solid advice!
For me Polaris is my first choice, my only choice.
Awesome! We all like different flavors, nothing wrong with that!
Same here 👍I have had good luck with all of mine.
This might sound funny but if I don't own a 4x4 4 door nice gas/diesel truck for the price range of these new four wheelers, I will never buy one. They are literally in the used truck market price range now
Very true..
Who are really choosing ATV's over side by sides for that kind of money anymore? I agree they should have a base model 1000, thats all I want, a lot of this is inflated covid pricing which applied to nearly everything, will it ever come down? hard to say, used ATV's are still super overpriced.
Sxs every year new innovations
Dirt bikes same
Even Harley Davidson is bringing new bikes out
But if your wanting new innovations in the atv industry good luck
Same ol same old every year
Raptor 700 basically same since introduced
New colors new wheels big prices
Sorry we own a rzr 1000 You just set there
I’ll ride a dirt bike or atv any day
But I’ve been riding all my life
Why can’t we get some new technology in the atv industry
As much as a renegade 1000 costs you can get into a sxs for example
Why wouldn’t you get the sxs over the atv at the costs they are getting to
Your paying for yesterday’s technology today
I’ve been saying this for years
Just glad that yamaha still offers sport quads
Polaris the scrambler and can am the renegade
When I’m not able to ride dirt bikes and atvs aggressive then I’ll get in to sxs more
But I ain’t dead yet
But I’m tired of waiting on the atv industry
I’m teaching my son now on a dirt bike and atv
Just hope there’s something for him to ride when he’s older besides sxs
Great comment! Completely fair points.. Hopefully we see something new eventually!
Does CF Moto still use KTM engines? KTM makes great motorcycles.
CFMOTO didn't use KTM engines, but they do manufacture the 790 for KTM (so it'sthe other way around).. Has nothing to do with the ATV motors unfortunately.. Just the motorcycles.. CFMOTO uses that motor in their 800 class motorcycles
I don't understand why someone would follow the swindle of cfmoto polishing up a turd like they make and saying it's competitive with real machines
Just curious? Why do you say that. I had a 800xc that was awesome and never broke down. I’m upgrading to the 1000 now. Cheers!
@@jasonrichard6286 because we got a brand new one not too long ago and it's the worst piece of machinery I've ever seen in my life
Man! So sorry. Is the dealer working on making it right for you?
@@jasonrichard6286 I told the old man to get rid of it
Sounds like you are a bit sour with Polaris, maybe I’m hearing it wrong.....
We've had terrible luck with Polaris but I was going for honest not sour.. I love the ProStar engine but I think Polaris as a company has gotten away from the core group of enthusiasts who broke away from Textron in the 60s to make cool machines, into a cheapest bidder spreadsheet and boardroom company.. I don't think the Ultimate Trail XP1000 is worth the price compared to the Outlander XT-P.. I also think their ATV quality has tanked in the last few years.. It peaked with the OG Sportsman 500..
@@DirtObseXXion I hear ya, if I get back into the Atv game again, not sure what I’ll be driving. Maybe a SXS? I’ll have to research your previous videos on those. That has been by far my favourite video from you guys.
@@scottmcclenaghan3236 Nooooooo!!! LOL! My next buy is a KingQuad...
polaris might have good motors it's just everything else fucks up on em
@@knightimusprime25 This ⬆️
Lol. Painted springs
I wouldn’t buy a cfmoto. A 1000c cfmoto can’t even keep up with a 850 outlander
I expect that's true but it's probably a good machine for some folks..
You should watch real talk power sports channel
@@jakemccann2790 I have. I’ve rode cfmoto and they feel sluggish compared to other brands. Also he’s paid to sell them
So what if he is paid , check out the video of the Overland doing wheelies, if you want more power, it can be obtained
@@jakemccann2790 is doing wheelies supposed to prove anything? The cfmoto are slower,period. Also buy one and try to sell it, you’ll loose your ass on trade in value
im going to get a cf moto today, im tired of seeing a 17k dollar canam 1000 when i can get exactly what i want with cf for 10k the 850 can am outlander xt has no storage its base
Did you get one? Grabbing my cfmoto this week!
Which one are you talking about?
I can't see buying any of these high priced toys, just way to costly
premium edition meaning more plastic lol