Yeah but a barter system and a currency system aren't the same. Currency implies that there's a standard medium of trade, whereas I see these items as being more like "I'll trade you ten dozen candles for two pairs of shoes." I'm simply stating that the title is technically incorrect.
Actually I believe the best thing to get to be "rich" in a post apocalyptic world is medicine. Specifically antibiotics and painkillers. People may not need them currently, but will want them for future injuries.
While all of the listed items will increase in relative value it is very unlikely that any of them would actually be used as a currency though it is possible that a complete breakdown of the concept of currency would follow an apocalypse for something to be adopted as a currency it has to be almost universally accepted by everyone as inherently valuable. If we look historically this has always meant shiny rocks of one form or another. The basis for a currency needs to be not too common or too rare so it appears to have value without causing an inconvenience of weight, which is one of the main reason for currency in the first place. What you have listed would be better classified as trade goods rather then currency. Currency also needs clear denominations to allow the merchant to make change. How do you make change of a child or a pair of shoes? The worst suggestion has to be the child it does not fulfill any of the basic requirements of currency, they are heavy, not universally accepted, undurable and it is hard to make change from one. On top of that it needs to be fed and will eventually grow up and inevitably loose all value. The rest could conceivably be used as the backing of a currency in the same way that gold has been used historically but really children as a currency?
Stuff like clean water or bullets won’t be a currency because you use it but sure you can trade with it but trading and currency are 2 different things
Most of the items on this list would fall under the trading category considering use. You use sugar, honey, salt, candles, alcohol, and seeds... so for this list that leaves shoes, knives and children, but children would have to be classified as perishable, because they are only children for so long... so now were down to shoes and knives... I think your premise or the video is wrong...I tend to agree with you.
Currencies are traded just as goods are traded. The issue is portability. As water constitutes most of our bodies and we are constantly expelling it, we can only really carry as much as we need, and we depend on constant replenishment. The laws of physics and biology dictate that it can never be a useful currency.
No cigarettes? I'm no smoker, but there are various times in history when money became unavailable or worthless and cigarettes took over. Hyperinflation, POW camps, things like that.
I agree with a few of these but shoes and knives will be laying all over the place in an apocalyptic scenario, I feel bullets would be important, just because anyone that ever played a first person shooter game may be able to fire the gun, pressing bullets and packing shot loads is not something everyone knows how to do or has the equipment for.
Sugar and Salt make sense. But with many of the others you're overlooking a key requirement of currency: to be easily portable. Perhaps sewing kits, arrow heads, flint & steel would be useful trade items... But don't kid yourselves thinking you'll be carrying several entire bee hives around with you.
STUPID ME! Here I've spent all my money on guns and ammunition, and EVERYONE ELSE spent ALL their money on these valuable commodities! Hmm....Wait a minute...
+matt THORNE Because you and i and everyone else are so use to the advantages of modern medicine its hard to actually believe that without it, disease, sickness and infection would spread rapidly as no one would have the tools to treat any medical issues.
I could just imagine some semi-government taking charge of salt fields and warehouses and issuing paper "salt certificates" denominated in pounds of salt that each bill can be exchanged for.
In the top five should be lifesaving drugs... and the know-how to make them. Insulin, penicillin, morphine, novocaine and anesthetics like propofol will be as necessary as salt and alcohol. Someone with the knowledge to produce them from raw goods will become one of the most cherished members of any community!
@@danielsurvivor1372 A pharmacist would possibly know how to compound them. I'd put my life on the line for someone with medical know-how BECAUSE it's comparatively rare... and the person with that knowledge is more valuable than gold!
+Sean Ng hmm..batteries are not so important..maybe brick or someting?cause you can build alot of things like create a base from an old house or something.
You only missed one and a very big one at that - clean water. In a post apocalyptic world clean water (germ free, heavy metal free and non-radioactive) would be considered liquid gold or more likely platinum. Anyone who has a large supply of clean water and can defend it will be rich.
Ammunition really should be number one on the list. Without many working ammunition production facilities, but an ample supply of working firearms, supply of the product would be extremely low, and demand would be outrageous. This means that if you have a working firearm, and ammunition for it not only do you have an extreme advantage in martial power, but you also have an important commodity.
It probably wouldn't be a problem in America for a long long while. Somewhere between 8-15 billion rounds are sold in America every year. Reloading would be a thing as well. Even after commercial stocks of smokeless and black powder being exhausted home made powder would be a thing.
As an early teen, I made candles , made homemade "guns" from raw ingredients,and also bootlegged hard alcohol with my homemade still. As a kid, me and my friends built a hut in the woods that had a wood burning stove, a 12 volt electric system which powered lights and stereo system. Eventually, we even ended up with a homemade gas generator. All of this was done with stuff we scrounged -up out of junk. Kids today have NO imagination. A kids life today extends only to what they see on their I-pad or android tablet.
Also salt is important medically if say the world becomes more desert like you need the salt to restore nutrients and minerals lost in sweat. Whats more is medically say someone needs a blood transfusion a saline solution could keep the individual alive a bit longer while you try to get someone to provide blood for them
#4 ~ Basically you need Heirloom seeds, not Hybrid seeds. You left out ammo. A laughable oversight. We get it, you hate guns and you hate ammo. But personal hatred/fear doesn't change the fact that live rounds will easily trounce nearly everything mentioned on this list. Reality does not care about your personal bias.
well, this list is geared more towards a greatest perceived value for an item due to its intrinsic usefulness, utilitarian nature or versatility in what it's capable of being used for. guns and ammunition have a very specific and very narrow scope of usefulness outside a set number of roles. outside being used to kill or possibly as a fire-making tool guns and ammo are pretty much useless. ammo also eventually runs out and modern guns are reliant on many small, precision parts that will eventually need replacing. there are simply more efficient tools that can do the same jobs with greater versatility and without the rather stringent limitations. a bullet can only kill a rabbit. a knife can kill it, field dress it, skin it, joint it and slice it up on your plate and a knife never needs reloading.
Elliotte Rodriguez I know he does. I've seen his other vids. on youtube. I called him out on his raging ignorance of putting basic hollowpoint ammunition on his top 10 list of the most horribly destructive weapons ever created. The title was something along those lines. It wasn't just ignorance about them. It was blind, raging ignorance that bordered on hysteria. So, yes there's a clear bias on this channel. A blatant one. As for KorradoXan, he has a point..... But saying that guns and ammo are only useful for a very specific bit of use is like saying food is only useful for a very specific use. But that use is shocking vital! Same with guns and ammunition. Defense against people when they're worst, most base instincts come out due to hunger and lack of resources. They'll kill each other over a can of literal SPAM. And then there's hunting. And no you can't hunt a rabbit with a knife. They won't stand still and let you walk up to them and stab them.
Sorry Drunken Whaler, but for some odd reason, your latest comment is not showing up here; but only in my notifications, and not fully. I'll respond to what was visible. Food is not going to be the first priority if looting and mobs have taken to the streets. First priority will be a weapon. Doesn't have to be a gun. Honestly, I prefer a large canister of pepper-spray the size of a car's fire extinguisher but half capacity. So, a pretty large canister overall. Great for crowd control. Next would be transportation out of the city. Very important. Food would come later as yes, it's possible to go 3 weeks without it before death sets in. But, you'd be too weak to do much of anything past the first week. Still, that's days to go at the initial outbreak. Honestly, it's all about pre-planning. All of it. From getting weapons training before it becomes needed, to outfitting one's vehicle properly, to getting to a safe and secure (hopefully obscure) location. Stockpile food now, at that location. Fortify it. As far as eating plants go.... Having survival training, I can tell you that it's a myth that one can live off of wild edibles. You need a degree in the study of plants before even considering eating them. Many plants have poisonous twins that look just like the edible variety. Even with edible plants, some parts of the very same plant can be poisonous while other parts are edible. You need to know not just each part, but be able to I.D. the plant at different stages of growth. Some plants which are perfectly fine to eat when young, become poisonous just a few months later when older. Every year, people die because they mis-I.D. a plant, take a bite, get sick, and then die. It's no joke. Forget years, unless you've spent decades in the wild; identifying plants. Don't even think about chowing down on them.
I think he didn't put those on the list, as well as tabacco/morphine/anti-biotics mentioned later in this thread, since they are both articles that rquire a larger infrastructure to produce, and so are not readily scalable to a regrowing economy. If you take not, the higher the list goes the less infrastructure is needed to produce the object.
Depending on your location access to fresh water and territory that provides control over large amounts of it would be useful. In addition to drink the water it is useful for farming, industry transport and fishing.
What about bullets? Of all the Currency used in post apocalyptic games. I think Metro had it right. Bullets can be used to defend take and hunt. They are also small and durable enough to be horded. Only game that truly made me worry that I am spending to much "currency"
well, the problem is you don't know if they work until you've fired them. They could be wet, someone could have removed the gun powder, removed some of the gun powder or the gun powder could have gotten old. Shooting these bullets could be dangerous and the whole rifle could blow up in your face
Gabriel Yoo I understand your point but at least it is a Item that should always be important for survival. Now take fallout. they have way more problems, It's much easier to counterfeit and I am sure that in that universe if you are supper isolated like they are having a bunch of caps on you instead of something that serves a purpose outside of the shop.Having a 1000 caps on you will mean your always noisy and will be attracting bandits and predators. While even thou 100 bullets would also make allot of noise you will also remind the bandits that you will survive longer in a long fire fight. And Metro did cover the fact that you have massive verity of bullets with different worth. From the crap bullets that might blow up in your face or be duds to the sweet military grade ammo that you could be hundred percent sure will not just fire but put a nice hole in even the strongest of opponents. I really liked how the game made you always think about how you are using your bullets all the time.
Brian southparkstudio Yeah but it's ridiculous how much bullets it takes to kill people and even then most difficulties gives the bullets 0 weight so I hold on amo more then I hold on to caps even in that game.
Well, bottle caps wouldn't really be worth anything. On the other hand, if I had a few cows and no bullets, if you had a lot of bullets and no meat, I would gladly exchange a cow for about five AK magazines for my Norinco Type 56.
Most people are still just thinking in the short term. Like yarn and textiles? Clothes wear out. And how tf do I spin cotton or wool into yarn without electricity. Also, medications? They expire. Why the heck would would I need your 15 yr old Tylenol? I guess what I want to know is how do I, a 28 yr old, live til I'm 60 in a post apoccolyptic world? Everything I see and read is just about the first few weeks and years. I'm learning and stocking up. Hopefully won't die within the first 3/4 years. Now, what? Any helpful links would be appreciated
You can make clothes without electricity . At the end of 28 days later the chick was sewing that huge banner together with a foot pedal operated sewing machine. You just have to know how lol
Everything on this list are tradeable COMMODITIES not currencies. Fiat cash and coin would be king early on after a grid down scenario and though prices would initially spike due to fear and speculation expect dramatic DEflation after folks realize how little m1 and m2 money supply there really is. Est $2800 per person total. Bullion coins would be next copper pennies nickels. Silver dimes quarters dollars.
Cigarettes? Check out what happened in post WW2 Germany when the financial system had a bit of a bomb induced collapse... Easy to store (unlike sugar), easy to seperate into smaller units (cartons, packets, loose cigarettes, butts). Light to transport. ALWAYS will be people who will give up their last tin of beans for one more puff.
Some other replacements for gold would be: silver due to its health benefits (e.g. drop a silver coin in your milk for its antibacterial benefits), trade craft services, bullets (not necessarily to be used; analogous to cigarettes traded in prison), and fuel of various sorts especially for the very robust and versatile diesel engines. I disagree with children. People in very poor countries and regions tend to reproduce a lot, so trading children doesn't seem to make sense due to their invaluable nature. Child bearing becomes more dangerous, but it will still continue. And, especially for extreme circumstances during an apocalypse, children will become a liability.
Antibiotics!!! If I was a prepper, besides having the usual items available, I would specialize in stockpiling antibiotics, learning a zillion home remedies, learning to recognize healing plants, and have an antibiotics factory ready to start (10' x 10' room.) It seems like you could have: 1. Penicillin mold stored in liquid nitrogen. 2. Many bags of gel making powder. Later, you could use sterilized bread. 3. Growth chamber (solar powered or even bicycle or wood powered). With an endless supply of antibiotics, I think everyone around would protect you. You would be "the neutral guy" and have plenty of trading material. Along the same lines, I would also learn how to make home made bleach (need salt and an electric current.)
Who would have thought Books? It's actually scary how vulnerable our access to knowledge is, if you consider somehow the government shutdown of the internet or some other disruption. Where would we find information then? Books! I'm heading to the second hand book store on my way back from the candle shop. Those Zombies haven't a chance with me.
Although I really love reading ebooks on my Kindle, I realize technology becomes obsolete so quickly these days. As a result I have been collecting printed books that teach basic survival skills, so that I can teach my kids how to be self reliant for quite some time.
vlanoik A currency has a greater worth than its components, a medium of barter has worth because it has worth. A currency's worth comes from people recognizing that is has worth
Miriam Webster 1 a : circulation as a medium of exchange b : general use, acceptance, or prevalence c : the quality or state of being current : currentness2 a : something (as coins, treasury notes, and banknotes) that is in circulation as a medium of exchange b : paper money in circulation c : a common article for bartering d : a medium of verbal or intellectual expression Please note especially 2c. Also barter societies are largely a theoretical model, as historians have never found evidence of any society that was purely barter based. Most early societies that worked without a physical currency instead relied on favors as a currency.
If there is a war and mass chaos paper currency isnt worth the paper its printed on. Elements will always hold value. Especially gold and silver , infact so much that the value would sky rocket to the clouds.
Suggestion along these lines...the top 10 places to raid after the apocalypse. I'd go for food warehouses first, then garden centres and hardware stores.
You left out batteries! Common aa alkaline batteries, 9 volt batteries, 18650 batteries, etc. run everything high tek. Even solar chargers for devices will be valuable.
I'd rather have a pot, than a bunch of bottled water, all I need to do is to put the water in the pot and start a fire to get the water in the pot to a boil, therefore I have clean water.
Why would gold even have value? Aside from tech uses gold is useless to anyone out in the wastes, why lug around a shiny brick when your ass needs water and food?... I guess it would make a pretty cool paper weight
Gold is the softest metal and its one of the best electrical conductors, but obviously freshwater and food is more important and easier to find for survival
Holey opiates, Batman! Where did u get ur info? Im not challenging ur statement only curious to fact check. Wow. Whoda thunk it?! I understand they dont thrive in all environments tho. Apparently they ADORE Asscrackistan (Afghanistan). I think the ton-an-acre stats may be exclusive to certain climats.
i think they couldn't do bottle caps because due to copyright issues Bethesda's legal team is not known for being laid back and chill ya know . and bullets are not viable currency because once you use them in your firearm that's it they are useless unless you have a re loader and even then bullets are only useless as long as there is gun powder and primers which will run out eventually. hence why he said knives/blades you can always reform your knife blade bit hard to re use bullets without gun powder and primers.
The problem with books as currency is that no two would have the exact same value. In America, we only have six usable paper denominations. The range of value books could range from zero for a Harlequin romance to a precious survivalist guide. You can add jars,and maybe wine bottles, to the list. You couldn't deal in honey or alcohol without them.
Theres also: Food, Water, Ammo, guns, medicine, surgical tools, Knife sharpeners, contraceptives, feminine hygiene producs, tools, cookware, baby formula, batteries, flashlights, super glue, bleach, gasoline, and much other stuff. from my personal experience as a prepper.
I got some problems with your list; firstly, just change *HONEY* to HoneyBees, then you can include the bees wax, which can be used to make candles as well as waterproof clothing and waterproof and protect shoes, and you can also produce mead from honey, another source of alcohol... Next, I'd drop *SUGAR* from the list, it wouldn't be around for long, and honey is a healthier substitute.. It would make more sense to replace it on the list (not in the same slot) with something like NEEDLES & THREAD/FISHINGLINE, or an obvious CLEAN&FRESH WATER, maybe
For those who don't live in the socialist utopia of England (where violent crime apparently no longer exists thanks to ridiculous gun bans imposed on the English peasantry, lol), FIREARMS & AMMUNITION would be at the top of anyone's post-apocalyptic "to have" list... for many practical reasons! They are the only item which provides the best means of DEFENDING all of that other "currency" against raids by those who would love to make a quick buck at your expense, not to mention easy hunting of your food. Try going after a deer or a wild hog with a knife, TopTenz! A totally British review, pooping on firearms as totally useless items to have in a world where everyone's out for themselves. There's a reason why wars aren't fought with "knives" anymore, lol.
Here is my top 5 1. Shelter. Can't survive out in the open. 2. Water filters for clean water. 3. Hand cranked portable generators. 4. Medicine, especially penicillin and over counter stuff. 5. Tools, axes and knives.
I think people will still be using gold coins. Despite with people think the post apocalypse in one way or another will be like the old west, and back then gold was king. Heck, gold was king in any age of human society. In fact, if we found gold today from a collapsed society it would still have value. Some markets can exist without any order or systems.
Items for an apocalypse? Something for starting fires, water purifier, books, blade of some kind, fishing rod, bedding, loom, sugar, first aid kit, seeds.
Stick to the 7 G's 1: God 2: Guns 3: Gold 4: Garments 5: Grub 6: Goods 7: A Group There are many things that go under each G but it simplifies the list.
#7, Books. If books (and libraries and archives) are veritable treasure troves, you 'd better convince the policy wonks, politicians, administrators, and their enablers and sycophants, etc. that they are wrong. I know because I have been involved in the downsizings or closures of four libraries, and laid off from two library jobs.. The argument is always the same: Libraries are expensive anachronisms of a bygone era because everything is available for free on the internet, not withstanding the copyright and intellectual property laws. If you need something and your local library does not have it in-house, you can get it through interlibrary loan, you can find an acceptable, if imperfect, substitute, you can get it yourself on your own dime, or you'll do without. Like it or not, that's how policy wonks, politicians, administrators, etc. truly regard the value of traditional books, libraries, and archives. It was written in one letter of my termination and said to me in an exit interview just a few short years ago. It applies to libraries regardless of type, special, public, research/academic. Monastic orders keep their libraries and archives but they are in the business of preserving their culture. Not so to the politicians and their fellow travelers. If that isn't bad enough -- destruction of the culture -- consider this: If you disagree with those people, they'll find someway or invent someway to make you suffer especially if they have more power than you have.
What, no bottlecaps?
sadly no
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+Kyle Stamps I like bottlecaps
Gotta drink that Nuka Cola!
+NoisyBoyGaming nuka cola quantum and some salsberry steak
These aren't so much stable systems of currency as they are valuable bartering items.
I think that's the point.
Yeah but a barter system and a currency system aren't the same. Currency implies that there's a standard medium of trade, whereas I see these items as being more like "I'll trade you ten dozen candles for two pairs of shoes." I'm simply stating that the title is technically incorrect.
Actually I believe the best thing to get to be "rich" in a post apocalyptic world is medicine. Specifically antibiotics and painkillers. People may not need them currently, but will want them for future injuries.
ha! I was waiting for him to say bee hives the entire time! But he didn't mention the fact that the wax could be used to make candles!!!!!!
having been homeless I can say that pretty much all of this is true some are already invaluable resources and tradeable items among the homeless
What about the kids?
While all of the listed items will increase in relative value it is very unlikely that any of them would actually be used as a currency though it is possible that a complete breakdown of the concept of currency would follow an apocalypse for something to be adopted as a currency it has to be almost universally accepted by everyone as inherently valuable. If we look historically this has always meant shiny rocks of one form or another. The basis for a currency needs to be not too common or too rare so it appears to have value without causing an inconvenience of weight, which is one of the main reason for currency in the first place. What you have listed would be better classified as trade goods rather then currency. Currency also needs clear denominations to allow the merchant to make change. How do you make change of a child or a pair of shoes?
The worst suggestion has to be the child it does not fulfill any of the basic requirements of currency, they are heavy, not universally accepted, undurable and it is hard to make change from one. On top of that it needs to be fed and will eventually grow up and inevitably loose all value. The rest could conceivably be used as the backing of a currency in the same way that gold has been used historically but really children as a currency?
#1 currency Simon's missing beard.
Ikr... he looks like a baby. Lol
I think the glasses are nice
Try to take my kids in the end of civilization ill take your hands then id take your eyes for even attempting to take my kids as a currency
I got tons of shoes, knifes,salt, and I can make candles. I'm going to be some rich ass merchant.
Knives not knifes
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Time traveler from pre-apocalyptic 2020...
You forgot facemasks, and gas masks...
Ammo is probably the biggest one you missed. Also, antibiotics (some preppers hoard fish tank meds for this reason).
1. Clean water !
+D33Lux Yes.
Stuff like clean water or bullets won’t be a currency because you use it but sure you can trade with it but trading and currency are 2 different things
Most of the items on this list would fall under the trading category considering use. You use sugar, honey, salt, candles, alcohol, and seeds... so for this list that leaves shoes, knives and children, but children would have to be classified as perishable, because they are only children for so long... so now were down to shoes and knives... I think your premise or the video is wrong...I tend to agree with you.
Currencies are traded just as goods are traded. The issue is portability.
As water constitutes most of our bodies and we are constantly expelling it, we can only really carry as much as we need, and we depend on constant replenishment.
The laws of physics and biology dictate that it can never be a useful currency.
MrThemneboss Hardly easy to carry.
No cigarettes? I'm no smoker, but there are various times in history when money became unavailable or worthless and cigarettes took over. Hyperinflation, POW camps, things like that.
I agree with a few of these but shoes and knives will be laying all over the place in an apocalyptic scenario, I feel bullets would be important, just because anyone that ever played a first person shooter game may be able to fire the gun, pressing bullets and packing shot loads is not something everyone knows how to do or has the equipment for.
Sugar and Salt make sense. But with many of the others you're overlooking a key requirement of currency: to be easily portable.
Perhaps sewing kits, arrow heads, flint & steel would be useful trade items... But don't kid yourselves thinking you'll be carrying several entire bee hives around with you.
STUPID ME! Here I've spent all my money on guns and ammunition, and EVERYONE ELSE spent ALL their money on these valuable commodities! Hmm....Wait a minute...
Wilhelm Ernst AHAHAHA! Wily Wilhelm!!!
Seriously, you win the internet!
Liza Tanzawa your appreciation is appreciated, Texas girl.
Wilhelm Ernst no one said they wouldn't be valuable but they wouldn't work as a currency
Post Apocalyptic problems require Post Apocalyptic solutions.
Number 1 medical supplies because all disease is gonna break loose
Why
+matt THORNE
Because you and i and everyone else are so use to the advantages of modern medicine its hard to actually believe that without it, disease, sickness and infection would spread rapidly as no one would have the tools to treat any medical issues.
+General noob - Better start looking up those home-made cures....
or rob a Veterinarian clinic for antibiotics. :l
+AnƫeateƦ Or an actual doctors office.
A Piece Of Bread If those aren't the first places to be raided.
Also, honey doesnt rot or mold.
Chris Toner That's what I came here to say lol
And honey's antibacterial properties mean it can be used as a wound dressing.
@@daveogarf I heard of a woman who fell into coma because she tried to treat her wound with honey and without medicine... It didn't work.
@@zio4590 lmao
I could just imagine some semi-government taking charge of salt fields and warehouses and issuing paper "salt certificates" denominated in pounds of salt that each bill can be exchanged for.
In the top five should be lifesaving drugs... and the know-how to make them. Insulin, penicillin, morphine, novocaine and anesthetics like propofol will be as necessary as salt and alcohol. Someone with the knowledge to produce them from raw goods will become one of the most cherished members of any community!
It would be valuable but it's probably too rare for it to be a currency.
@@danielsurvivor1372 A pharmacist would possibly know how to compound them. I'd put my life on the line for someone with medical know-how BECAUSE it's comparatively rare... and the person with that knowledge is more valuable than gold!
my list
1. clean water
2. medicine
3. canned food
4. ammo
5. gasoline
6. seeds
7. batteries
8. weapons
9. matches/lighters
10. clothes
11.sex slaves/toys
Bottle caps
+Sean Ng gas becomes worthless after like 3 months so you would wanna go with natural gas like butane or kerosene or something else.
+Sean Ng hmm..batteries are not so important..maybe brick or someting?cause you can build alot of things like create a base from an old house or something.
Sean Ng I kinda like the candles too
You only missed one and a very big one at that - clean water. In a post apocalyptic world clean water (germ free, heavy metal free and non-radioactive) would be considered liquid gold or more likely platinum. Anyone who has a large supply of clean water and can defend it will be rich.
Ammunition really should be number one on the list. Without many working ammunition production facilities, but an ample supply of working firearms, supply of the product would be extremely low, and demand would be outrageous. This means that if you have a working firearm, and ammunition for it not only do you have an extreme advantage in martial power, but you also have an important commodity.
It probably wouldn't be a problem in America for a long long while. Somewhere between 8-15 billion rounds are sold in America every year. Reloading would be a thing as well. Even after commercial stocks of smokeless and black powder being exhausted home made powder would be a thing.
Well. Off to go learn a whole bunch of stuff now! Let's learn how to make candles and alcohol!
As an early teen, I made candles , made homemade "guns" from raw ingredients,and also bootlegged hard alcohol with my homemade still. As a kid, me and my friends built a hut in the woods that had a wood burning stove, a 12 volt electric system which powered lights and stereo system. Eventually, we even ended up with a homemade gas generator. All of this was done with stuff we scrounged -up out of junk. Kids today have NO imagination. A kids life today extends only to what they see on their I-pad or android tablet.
Learn to make baby's 😁😁😁😁
wood.1
seeds.2
water.3
pick axe.4
shovle.5
bow.6
iorn.7
sword.8
fishing rod.9
nether rock.10
-How much for that bag of M&M's?
-4.78 babyes.
-You have change for 5?
-Sorry no.
-You have an axe?
that's cheap I'd easily give him 10.5 baby's
I OFFER 11!
I other one million babies
*evil laugh
matt THORNE NOOOOOOOOOO!!! That were the last M&M's in the world :-(
+Marko Miljevic babyes
Also salt is important medically if say the world becomes more desert like you need the salt to restore nutrients and minerals lost in sweat. Whats more is medically say someone needs a blood transfusion a saline solution could keep the individual alive a bit longer while you try to get someone to provide blood for them
yup, also without refrigeration you need salt for food preservation. there are also a ton of chemical applications
Along the same line of argument, alcohol can be used as a disinfectant.
I wouldn’t t expect a Brit to know this, but ammunition will be super valuable. But I’d never give someone the means to take all my other preps.
Gold would be worthless in the apocalypse
Alcohol
Tobacco/marijuana
Insulin, pain meds, really any meds
Quality clothing
Weaponry
Lighters
Batteries
Distillery
Land
Fishing gear
Needles, thread and other sewing supplies. Also, weaving equipment. Me and my loom will have you all hunting for us
#4 ~ Basically you need Heirloom seeds, not Hybrid seeds.
You left out ammo. A laughable oversight. We get it, you hate guns and you hate ammo. But personal hatred/fear doesn't change the fact that live rounds will easily trounce nearly everything mentioned on this list. Reality does not care about your personal bias.
well, this list is geared more towards a greatest perceived value for an item due to its intrinsic usefulness, utilitarian nature or versatility in what it's capable of being used for. guns and ammunition have a very specific and very narrow scope of usefulness outside a set number of roles. outside being used to kill or possibly as a fire-making tool guns and ammo are pretty much useless. ammo also eventually runs out and modern guns are reliant on many small, precision parts that will eventually need replacing. there are simply more efficient tools that can do the same jobs with greater versatility and without the rather stringent limitations.
a bullet can only kill a rabbit. a knife can kill it, field dress it, skin it, joint it and slice it up on your plate and a knife never needs reloading.
and you're presuming he has a bias
Elliotte Rodriguez
I know he does. I've seen his other vids. on youtube. I called him out on his raging ignorance of putting basic hollowpoint ammunition on his top 10 list of the most horribly destructive weapons ever created. The title was something along those lines. It wasn't just ignorance about them. It was blind, raging ignorance that bordered on hysteria. So, yes there's a clear bias on this channel. A blatant one.
As for KorradoXan, he has a point..... But saying that guns and ammo are only useful for a very specific bit of use is like saying food is only useful for a very specific use. But that use is shocking vital! Same with guns and ammunition. Defense against people when they're worst, most base instincts come out due to hunger and lack of resources. They'll kill each other over a can of literal SPAM. And then there's hunting. And no you can't hunt a rabbit with a knife. They won't stand still and let you walk up to them and stab them.
Sorry Drunken Whaler, but for some odd reason, your latest comment is not showing up here; but only in my notifications, and not fully. I'll respond to what was visible. Food is not going to be the first priority if looting and mobs have taken to the streets.
First priority will be a weapon. Doesn't have to be a gun. Honestly, I prefer a large canister of pepper-spray the size of a car's fire extinguisher but half capacity. So, a pretty large canister overall. Great for crowd control. Next would be transportation out of the city. Very important. Food would come later as yes, it's possible to go 3 weeks without it before death sets in. But, you'd be too weak to do much of anything past the first week. Still, that's days to go at the initial outbreak.
Honestly, it's all about pre-planning. All of it. From getting weapons training before it becomes needed, to outfitting one's vehicle properly, to getting to a safe and secure (hopefully obscure) location. Stockpile food now, at that location. Fortify it.
As far as eating plants go.... Having survival training, I can tell you that it's a myth that one can live off of wild edibles. You need a degree in the study of plants before even considering eating them. Many plants have poisonous twins that look just like the edible variety. Even with edible plants, some parts of the very same plant can be poisonous while other parts are edible. You need to know not just each part, but be able to I.D. the plant at different stages of growth.
Some plants which are perfectly fine to eat when young, become poisonous just a few months later when older. Every year, people die because they mis-I.D. a plant, take a bite, get sick, and then die. It's no joke. Forget years, unless you've spent decades in the wild; identifying plants. Don't even think about chowing down on them.
It's almost like everyone is susceptible.
ammo and oil?
And gas/fuel
Those were good choices but you forgot 3 biggies- tobacco, morphine, anti biotics
good point
I think he didn't put those on the list, as well as tabacco/morphine/anti-biotics mentioned later in this thread, since they are both articles that rquire a larger infrastructure to produce, and so are not readily scalable to a regrowing economy. If you take not, the higher the list goes the less infrastructure is needed to produce the object.
Depending on your location access to fresh water and territory that provides control over large amounts of it would be useful. In addition to drink the water it is useful for farming, industry transport and fishing.
Actually my biggest argument for the guns vs knifes is knifes don't run out of bullets
What about bullets? Of all the Currency used in post apocalyptic games. I think Metro had it right. Bullets can be used to defend take and hunt. They are also small and durable enough to be horded. Only game that truly made me worry that I am spending to much "currency"
well, the problem is you don't know if they work until you've fired them. They could be wet, someone could have removed the gun powder, removed some of the gun powder or the gun powder could have gotten old. Shooting these bullets could be dangerous and the whole rifle could blow up in your face
Gabriel Yoo I understand your point but at least it is a Item that should always be important for survival. Now take fallout. they have way more problems, It's much easier to counterfeit and I am sure that in that universe if you are supper isolated like they are having a bunch of caps on you instead of something that serves a purpose outside of the shop.Having a 1000 caps on you will mean your always noisy and will be attracting bandits and predators. While even thou 100 bullets would also make allot of noise you will also remind the bandits that you will survive longer in a long fire fight. And Metro did cover the fact that you have massive verity of bullets with different worth. From the crap bullets that might blow up in your face or be duds to the sweet military grade ammo that you could be hundred percent sure will not just fire but put a nice hole in even the strongest of opponents. I really liked how the game made you always think about how you are using your bullets all the time.
those require a large mechanized assembly process and organizing that in a world of chaos is too unlikely.
not in fallout they seem to have a hell of alot of ammo
Brian southparkstudio Yeah but it's ridiculous how much bullets it takes to kill people and even then most difficulties gives the bullets 0 weight so I hold on amo more then I hold on to caps even in that game.
no bullets or bottle caps?
im dissapoint
+alex cracan I was also rooting for bottle caps....
Well, bottle caps wouldn't really be worth anything. On the other hand, if I had a few cows and no bullets, if you had a lot of bullets and no meat, I would gladly exchange a cow for about five AK magazines for my Norinco Type 56.
+Joshua Bottlecaps are a reference to the Fallout series. Bottlecaps have for some reason become the currency of norm.
Yes, I know, I love Fallout, but 7.62X39 ammunition makes more sense than bottle caps, like in the game Metro : 2033 and Metro : Lastlight.
Theres no such thing as an akm 47. Either akm or 47 :)
And what about bottle caps?
Why would bottlecaps be a valid currency in a Post Apocalyptic setting? They have virtually no use, unless you can smelt them into weapons.
Nolan Stidham It's a joke, referring to certain games and movies where bottle caps are used as currency.
Most people are still just thinking in the short term. Like yarn and textiles? Clothes wear out. And how tf do I spin cotton or wool into yarn without electricity. Also, medications? They expire. Why the heck would would I need your 15 yr old Tylenol?
I guess what I want to know is how do I, a 28 yr old, live til I'm 60 in a post apoccolyptic world? Everything I see and read is just about the first few weeks and years. I'm learning and stocking up. Hopefully won't die within the first 3/4 years. Now, what?
Any helpful links would be appreciated
You can make clothes without electricity . At the end of 28 days later the chick was sewing that huge banner together with a foot pedal operated sewing machine. You just have to know how lol
what? Human blood isnt one of them? great now what do i do with the 250 gallons of human blood I ............i mean .....red koolaid ive acquired?
Wow, look who drank the Koolaid.
+Liono liony Only useful if you have the energy to keep it refrigerated.
YOU FORGOT CLEAN WATER.
if you have water you probably wont trade it , but you will have to protect it , see guns an bullets .
Childrens are a burden.
But free labour!
Jimmy Hanley or free dinner.
Jimmy Hanley and children are entertainment!
Everything on this list are tradeable COMMODITIES not currencies. Fiat cash and coin would be king early on after a grid down scenario and though prices would initially spike due to fear and speculation expect dramatic DEflation after folks realize how little m1 and m2 money supply there really is. Est $2800 per person total. Bullion coins would be next copper pennies nickels. Silver dimes quarters dollars.
Cigarettes? Check out what happened in post WW2 Germany when the financial system had a bit of a bomb induced collapse... Easy to store (unlike sugar), easy to seperate into smaller units (cartons, packets, loose cigarettes, butts). Light to transport. ALWAYS will be people who will give up their last tin of beans for one more puff.
worth his weight in salt is an actual saying as soldiers used to get paid in salt
Some other replacements for gold would be: silver due to its health benefits (e.g. drop a silver coin in your milk for its antibacterial benefits), trade craft services, bullets (not necessarily to be used; analogous to cigarettes traded in prison), and fuel of various sorts especially for the very robust and versatile diesel engines.
I disagree with children. People in very poor countries and regions tend to reproduce a lot, so trading children doesn't seem to make sense due to their invaluable nature. Child bearing becomes more dangerous, but it will still continue. And, especially for extreme circumstances during an apocalypse, children will become a liability.
These are all valuable things for the apocalypse but their not really currencies, like I ain’t buying a Lambo with a load of nikes
DORITOS!!!! If civilization collapses and nobody is making Doritos any more, those with stockpiles will be KINGS... or dead.
Where would you place COFFEE ? Somewhere between Sugar and Alcohol maybe ?
I like the metro series idea om currency post apocalypse. They use bullets. Ammunition. As currency
If shoes are currency, then I'll just go to the Holocaust museum and rename it a bank💯
We are all excited for apocalypse , because there is no women's right 😏
i think clean water is the greatest neccesity. All in all very informative.
wrong, history shows again and again that gold and silver will return as real money.
Antibiotics!!! If I was a prepper, besides having the usual items available, I would specialize in stockpiling antibiotics, learning a zillion home remedies, learning to recognize healing plants, and have an antibiotics factory ready to start (10' x 10' room.) It seems like you could have:
1. Penicillin mold stored in liquid nitrogen.
2. Many bags of gel making powder. Later, you could use sterilized bread.
3. Growth chamber (solar powered or even bicycle or wood powered).
With an endless supply of antibiotics, I think everyone around would protect you. You would be "the neutral guy" and have plenty of trading material.
Along the same lines, I would also learn how to make home made bleach (need salt and an electric current.)
Please dont think like this.
For the most part I agree with your top 10 post-apocalyptic items here, however I would have coffee on the list.
Guns, Ammo, Gasoline, Propane, Cigarettes, Batteries, Soap, Amateur Radios or Walkie-Talkies, Marijuana, Opiates, Pharmaceuticals, Butane Lighters, Multi-Tools, Fishing Gear, Duct Tape, Razor Blades.
The skills to produce 2 or 3 of any of those things is far more valuable than any one of them.
Who would have thought Books?
It's actually scary how vulnerable our access to knowledge is, if you consider somehow the government shutdown of the internet or some other disruption. Where would we find information then? Books! I'm heading to the second hand book store on my way back from the candle shop. Those Zombies haven't a chance with me.
Although I really love reading ebooks on my Kindle, I realize technology becomes obsolete so quickly these days. As a result I have been collecting printed books that teach basic survival skills, so that I can teach my kids how to be self reliant for quite some time.
Molotov candle cocktail .
Anybody wanna trade some mixtapes?
+Michael Hinds Aye!!
I'll trade you my ironically made mixtape of Taylor Swift and Kanye West songs for your baby please . . .
Michael Hinds You got a deal!
the mixtape is so hot it will keep you warm at night
+Michael Hinds I raise you 3 double tailed cats and an my jar of masterpieces.
What about Toilet Paper and Cigarettes?
this must be the hipsters guide where is the list for reeal people?
it's not about what you need to survive so this seems plausible
But non of these are currency, these are all mediums of barter
The purpose of currency is to facilitate trade (barter)
vlanoik A currency has a greater worth than its components, a medium of barter has worth because it has worth. A currency's worth comes from people recognizing that is has worth
Miriam Webster
1 a : circulation as a medium of exchange b : general use, acceptance, or prevalence c : the quality or state of being current : currentness2 a : something (as coins, treasury notes, and banknotes) that is in circulation as a medium of exchange b : paper money in circulation c : a common article for bartering d : a medium of verbal or intellectual expression
Please note especially 2c. Also barter societies are largely a theoretical model, as historians have never found evidence of any society that was purely barter based. Most early societies that worked without a physical currency instead relied on favors as a currency.
If there is a war and mass chaos paper currency isnt worth the paper its printed on. Elements will always hold value. Especially gold and silver , infact so much that the value would sky rocket to the clouds.
Zac Roebuck isn't currency basically barter, with a representative chit?
Suggestion along these lines...the top 10 places to raid after the apocalypse. I'd go for food warehouses first, then garden centres and hardware stores.
Yeah those are good spots. I also would think about sport equipment stores. Tons of protein, clothes, guns, ammo, melee/anti-stab armor.
BeastinlosersHD Good call
Hit the pharmacy fools!
You do not want to trade ammo so that it can be used against you
You left out batteries! Common aa alkaline batteries, 9 volt batteries, 18650 batteries, etc. run everything high tek. Even solar chargers for devices will be valuable.
How about ammunition or bottled water?
I'd rather have a pot, than a bunch of bottled water, all I need to do is to put the water in the pot and start a fire to get the water in the pot to a boil, therefore I have clean water.
+Kyle Stamps I'm just gonna drown my enemies in honey.
+Some Random Name
If it's factory bottled and sealed, it should be fine.
+ReadySetBlow1 sadly you can't boil out radiation (if that's the apocalypse that has occurred)
+NarcassisticGamer there are ways to get radiation of water as the water itself isn't radioactive but things inside of it
Why would gold even have value? Aside from tech uses gold is useless to anyone out in the wastes, why lug around a shiny brick when your ass needs water and food?... I guess it would make a pretty cool paper weight
Gold is the softest metal and its one of the best electrical conductors, but obviously freshwater and food is more important and easier to find for survival
If you dont have Ammo all of the following things mentioned will disappear very quickly from your possession
Wow, I'm surprised tp wasn't on here.
Damn you called that one.
whatabout zippos? And hell, why not ammo?
Watching this with Brexit on the horizon
And number 0, Papaver Somniferum, Opium Poppy! Yes you read correctly, Opium Poppy. With a yeild of approximately 1 ton per acre you do the math.
I couda survived the apocalypse but I got high , now a zombies eating my brains an I know why cus I got high cus I got high cus I got high .
Holey opiates, Batman! Where did u get ur info? Im not challenging ur statement only curious to fact check. Wow. Whoda thunk it?! I understand they dont thrive in all environments tho. Apparently they ADORE Asscrackistan (Afghanistan). I think the ton-an-acre stats may be exclusive to certain climats.
Bullets don't work as MOST valuable because 200 45-ACP rounds are useless when all you have is a 9mm pistol. Zero value.
You forgot tampons
.22lr ammunition
Drinking water. Gasoline. Bullets. Weapons. Bandages.
I think these are more important then any of the last 3.
i think they couldn't do bottle caps because due to copyright issues Bethesda's legal team is not known for being laid back and chill ya know . and bullets are not viable currency because once you use them in your firearm that's it they are useless unless you have a re loader and even then bullets are only useless as long as there is gun powder and primers which will run out eventually. hence why he said knives/blades you can always reform your knife blade bit hard to re use bullets without gun powder and primers.
jacks are worth more than bottle caps
Gotta say this was a pretty logical, on the mark vid.
Go salt!!!! I knew it. Jerky and booze. And you need some form of sugar for the booze. Thanks Simon I absolutely love this channel.
I agree with salt, but I'll mostly be looking for toilet paper, chocolate, water, and Tylenol.
The problem with books as currency is that no two would have the exact same value. In America, we only have six usable paper denominations. The range of value books could range from zero for a Harlequin romance to a precious survivalist guide. You can add jars,and maybe wine bottles, to the list. You couldn't deal in honey or alcohol without them.
Knives don't run out of bullets. bows and arrows are second.
and can be resharpened.
true. but when you run out of bullets a gun becomes a fancy club. that's my point.
what happens when you run out of powder?
that's what bows are for.
He wont need to hunt a deer when knives beat guns that have no ammo.
Gold, silver, other precious metals and precious and semi-precious gem stones are only real wealth that exists.
Why would you waste your brain on Alcohol- don't you need to be on the top of your game all the time in an Apocalypse world?
Theres also: Food, Water, Ammo, guns, medicine, surgical tools, Knife sharpeners, contraceptives, feminine hygiene producs, tools, cookware, baby formula, batteries, flashlights, super glue, bleach, gasoline, and much other stuff. from my personal experience as a prepper.
my list
1. Drugs
2. Booze
3. Slaves
4. Medicine
5. Food
6. Weapons
7. Books
8. Seeds
9. Shoes
10. Porn
I highly recommend the novel Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alas,_Babylon
Really? Not engineers, energy, animals, or guns with ammunition?
I got some problems with your list; firstly, just change *HONEY* to HoneyBees, then you can include the bees wax, which can be used to make candles as well as waterproof clothing and waterproof and protect shoes, and you can also produce mead from honey, another source of alcohol... Next, I'd drop *SUGAR* from the list, it wouldn't be around for long, and honey is a healthier substitute.. It would make more sense to replace it on the list (not in the same slot) with something like NEEDLES & THREAD/FISHINGLINE, or an obvious CLEAN&FRESH WATER, maybe
For those who don't live in the socialist utopia of England (where violent crime apparently no longer exists thanks to ridiculous gun bans imposed on the English peasantry, lol), FIREARMS & AMMUNITION would be at the top of anyone's post-apocalyptic "to have" list... for many practical reasons!
They are the only item which provides the best means of DEFENDING all of that other "currency" against raids by those who would love to make a quick buck at your expense, not to mention easy hunting of your food. Try going after a deer or a wild hog with a knife, TopTenz! A totally British review, pooping on firearms as totally useless items to have in a world where everyone's out for themselves. There's a reason why wars aren't fought with "knives" anymore, lol.
Food, water, clothing, shelter, weapons, medical supplies, simple tools and materials, transportation (car, bike, etc)
Here is my top 5
1. Shelter. Can't survive out in the open.
2. Water filters for clean water.
3. Hand cranked portable generators.
4. Medicine, especially penicillin and over counter stuff.
5. Tools, axes and knives.
Number 11: Justin Bieber Collectors Edition
I think people will still be using gold coins. Despite with people think the post apocalypse in one way or another will be like the old west, and back then gold was king. Heck, gold was king in any age of human society. In fact, if we found gold today from a collapsed society it would still have value. Some markets can exist without any order or systems.
Items for an apocalypse? Something for starting fires, water purifier, books, blade of some kind, fishing rod, bedding, loom, sugar, first aid kit, seeds.
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water purification devices or tablets. antibiotics, pain killing drugs, but most importantly knowledge... with the right knowhow anything is possible.
Stick to the 7 G's
1: God
2: Guns
3: Gold
4: Garments
5: Grub
6: Goods
7: A Group
There are many things that go under each G but it simplifies the list.
#7, Books.
If books (and libraries and archives) are veritable treasure troves, you 'd better convince the policy wonks, politicians, administrators, and their enablers and sycophants, etc. that they are wrong. I know because I have been involved in the downsizings or closures of four libraries, and laid off from two library jobs.. The argument is always the same:
Libraries are expensive anachronisms of a bygone era because everything is available for free on the internet, not withstanding the copyright and intellectual property laws. If you need something and your local library does not have it in-house, you can get it through interlibrary loan, you can find an acceptable, if imperfect, substitute, you can get it yourself on your own dime, or you'll do without.
Like it or not, that's how policy wonks, politicians, administrators, etc. truly regard the value of traditional books, libraries, and archives. It was written in one letter of my termination and said to me in an exit interview just a few short years ago. It applies to libraries regardless of type, special, public, research/academic.
Monastic orders keep their libraries and archives but they are in the business of preserving their culture. Not so to the politicians and their fellow travelers. If that isn't bad enough -- destruction of the culture -- consider this: If you disagree with those people, they'll find someway or invent someway to make you suffer especially if they have more power than you have.