ATHLEAN-X FAKE WEIGHTS PART 1: Why Lying About Lifts in the Fitness Industry Should be Unacceptable
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- The more influence you have, the greater your duty is to conduct yourself with integrity and honesty. As the biggest fitness channel, Athlean-X can and should do better. Jeff Cavaliere lying about the weights that he is lifting to an impressionable young audience to sell programs is a cash-grab of the lowest sort.
One of the things that appeals to me about the gym is that it's the same for everyone. 45lbs is 45lbs. Jeff Cavaliere should not get an exception because he is lean, or because he works out in his own gym, or because he has millions of followers. It's the opposite. He has an even greater obligation towards the truth than the average person.
I disagree with Greg Doucette. It's not OK. This isn't the same as a photo shoot in a magazine. Again, honesty matters. Integrity matters. Claiming to be stronger than you are cheapens the accomplishments of those who did it the right way. EDIT: Greg has clarified his position, he didn't get the whole story, and now says it's wrong...lotta drama there.
I don't hate Jeff. We went to the same school, we share a lot of similar views on lifting, and I'm sure we'd get along great if we ever met. I still follow him and he still brings a lot of value on his channel. But I am vehemently opposed to fake weights when done in a way to deceive others for financial gain.
It's sad that Jeff Cavaliere felt the need to use fake weights, and it says a lot about the pressure that a lot of influencers must feel to be lean, look good and be strong. I hope that he admits it and everyone can have an open and honest discussion about why it happened and why perfection should not be demanded of someone just because they have a lot of followers or subscribers. He's a lean dude who has generally good prehab advice...I don't know why I felt the need to do this in the first place.
For those of you who say, "he's just demonstrating the movement!" well...he can do that with just 60kg, why use fake plates at all? So many times people say to me "Athlean-X, his training is great, he's over 40, and lean, and strong as hell". It's a lie to get people to buy, buy, buy. He's projecting a false image, using styrofoam rather than iron.
If you want to debate things, that's fine, just a few things:
1) Watch the Curlean-X video below. I hope we can agree that he very obviously used fake plates.
2) Don't bring up subscriber counts, it makes you look silly. Do you let millionaires get away with murder, as well? Address the facts, bootlicking numbers is not useful and appears to be quite herdlike.
3) Don't be a d*ck! :) （fine, a little is OK, if you really must)
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Used to look up to him not anymore
Same. Was one of my first influences on UA-cam when I started lifting. Makes it that much sadder. Not heartbreaking. But just...sad.
Guys you don’t have 100% proof _and_ more to the point you haven’t even let the man himself speak yet and defend himself. It’s a good job you don’t work in a court. At least hear him out before you crucify him.
@@johnjohntv1195 isn't it obvious the 'heavy' weights he using for reps can be on the records man! If the weights were really that heavy the weights would have bounced off the ground or rack or whatever, but somehow he can move the weights with ease, for reps! Even strongman would find the weights relatively difficult
Johnjohntv oh look a loyal simp lol
@@johnjohntv1195 watch the video.
If you can't do 10x10 with 80% of your 1 rep max and 1 minute rest, you're just not working hard bro. /s
Oh snap why didn't I think of that! /s :)
1min 🤣
Then it turns out Jesse is stronger than Jeff..😂😂😂
Hahahha that would be hilarious. The student surpasses the master.
@@GVS at this point I wouldn't doubt it.😂😂
Yess Jesse is. Athlean X can't even squat/deadlift shit but Jesse can pull big weight
There was a short video of Jesse deadlifting 445 I believe
wouldnt be suprised since jeff is getting older
Love your quora, nice to see you getting attention here.
Thanks. UA-cam is definitely a MUCH bigger pond!
I was beginner doing Athlean X and the first thing I did was that 3 reps at 90% and rest 30 seconds. I couldn’t get two rounds out of it and the high score challenge was like 8+ rounds. I honestly thought I sucked hard but now I realize how impossible it was
I second that his programs are insanely punishing and probably not optimal but I saw insane gains as well as work capacity following Athlean Xero.
Man you had me on board until you said that an RPG wielding velociraptor riding a shark is harmless
Damn, I knew that would backfire!
I must say Geoffrey, I've actually seen a raptor on the back of a shark shooting a rocket launcher before. It was just as insane as watching Jeff Cavaliere pin press 315 REAL pounds. Subbed, my dude. Curlean-x brought me here.
It's the last boss in a post-apocalyptic video game. Just watched your video as well dude. Keep fighting the good fight!
@@GVS😂 Thanks man, I really appreciate your approach. It's so damn hard to find people who are actually real in this thing we call youtube fitness.
Just discovered your channel from Quora, good stuff man and thanks for sharing in Everything Exercise!
My pleasure!!
Good job.
I'm glad people are finally calling Jeff out for his dishonesty.
Me too. I think it's honestly strange, in hindsight, how long it took.
@Laurel and Hardy but he could not lift those weights ever...it's not about takes, it's selling a lie. If you are comfortable with someone lying to you to sell programs, then fine.
@@GVS you realise he trains other athletes, people if not him will use those weights.
@Laurel and Hardy "Of course you’re gonna have to use fake weights for multiple take videos."
Can you name three other UA-camrs who also use fake weights in their videos?
I see GV popping those delts like packing wrapper, looking forward to the next vid!
Coming soon!
Where can I find that photo of the velociraptor with a rocket launcher riding a shark?😂
Google is gonna be more effective than me on this one! I'm a coach not an artist!
In your gallery after u screenshot it
100% agreed. What Jeff has done puts his whole credibility into question for me, curlean-x has already put a lot of other things into question about Jeff. Marketing yourself as the ultimate fitness person and then making such easily detectable (targeted at beginners who don't know better) lies is really bad behaviour imo. I used to think he had at least some good information about injury prevention or rehab, but how can he be trusted now?!
Greg casually said in another video that Athlean-X programs are not good irr, not that he is the ultimate source either tbh
His programs suck, from what ex-clients of his and current clients of mine have said. Just not well thought out at all.
Sets with 90% every 30 seconds till you fail?? #facepalm
@@GVS thank you for making these videos, you are gonna get a lot of hate, but tricking people who don't know better is really shameful...
I never saw his programs because they are really expensive and not really my thing, but his information in nutrition goes from outdated to cringe
Could you make a video about the exercises he said are dangerous? I used to believe him on those topics but I don't think I do anymore
In his ax-1 program he had us do different exercises each week. Which is not thaaat bad, but as a beginner in the gym it made me not progressive overload for a while.
@@GVS check out Alec Enkiris video on Jeff's video where he advised you to 10 sets of 10 squats with 70-80% of your 1RM. Absolute joke. Noone in the world could even get past the third set. Alec is an elite level powerlifter and he couldn't finish the third set himself and I don't think he was even using 70%
@@joebloggs6922 I've also done a video on Jeff, check my channel. It's an absurd workout and reveals that Athlean-X Knows NOTHING about programming.
Great points! I've never trusted Jeff on his programming or his strength tips. I follow him mostly for his technique and form tutorials (the one about bracing was stupidly wrong though) . I'm a bit disappointed in him but it's good that he's not my only source of information. Thanks for bringing up this topic :)
That bracing one is SO cringe. Just an excuse to flex his abs under perfect lighting...but given his 10m followers, he's absolutely herniated some teenagers discs with that one. Just. Dead. Wrong.
Makes you wonder how wrong he is about other stuff...and the more I look, the more I find.
@@GVS 2020 is sucking so hard right now! :D
@@originalsingh it really is man
@@GVS False conclusion, my friend.
To herniate a disc through poor squat technique requires a significant amount of weight on the bar.
Something tells me anyone who takes Jeff's squat advice seriously wouldn't be lifting a lot of weight in the first place ergo no injury!
@@AnindyaMahajan that's false. You can herniate your back without massive weights. Bruce Lee did a good morning with 135lbs and messed himself up for life.
And considering his ten million followers, SOME are going to be reasonably strong, so your conclusion is still wrong.
Yup it kinda hit me hard knowing Jeff has used fake plates (I still want to not believe it but evidence is irrefutable). Shit hits hard sometimes 😅
Makes you question other stuff as well. Highly doubt he's natural either. Probably on at least TRT too.
The amount of people in denial or defending him are what really bother me.
@@mahoobarc1439 Agree. It's the majority of his fanbase, and that's a lotta people.
@@GVS Definitely ain't natural.
@@GVS He can't be natty being absolutely shredded all year round, putting more muscle every year while keeping in the 6-7% body fat range with 45 years old. No chance in hell.
Dude I stumbled on this old video, holy shit is your physique looking way better now. Progress is 10/10!
Having some lady walking on a treadmill right behind me while benching would freak me out. Mostly because of my insecurities but also because I would just be thinking about why that lady is chasing me
Bench harder than last time!
Great content! Best I’ve seen
Great video man. Clear, honest, and courageous. As another new person in the youtube fitness scene myself I certainly understand the pressure that can feel like you should do whatever it takes to succeed. But if "succeeding" means lying to people about what I can do with my body, I'd rather get a day job. To me the crime is actually less about misleading people in order to earn money, and more just about the trust people place on us to provide guidance and clarity. If we lie, we're not just misleading them with their pocketbooks, but also with the choices they make with their bodies, health, and diet. Really appreciate this video. Subscribing and look forward to seeing more of your stuff. Keep it up man, we need more people on UA-cam who care more about integrity than subscriber counts
The pressure to be strong, lean, aesthetic is sizeable. I feel it more and more. This results in either fake weights or fake naturals. I'm not sure if there is a good solution for the industry.
Appreciate your support and kind words!
@@GVS Indeed it's a rather unhealthy cycle, with trainers and "influencers" feeling more and more pressure to only show themselves with six-pack gleaming in perfect lighting, leading to people having unrealistic/unhealthy expectations of themselves, and of course then also of us, which only perpetuates the B.S. and continues the cycle. I think the best solution is just for as many of us as possible to be honest about our actual relationship to our bodies and health, so share more honestly about our challenges, and of course to make videos like this one you made here, holding each other accountable to the standards of honesty and transparency that are necessary for us to all grow healthier and stronger together without the pressure to look like a magazine photo all the time or to impress others with our stats. In other words.... keep it up!
As someone thats gotten to a 500+ deadlift its annoying as fuck and jeff takes away from people when he lies about the weight you can lift.. especially when your that “influential”
Nice Work!
And yes...it cheapens it. It's a shitty thing to do on his part, amplified by his huge following.
How is a Velociraptor with a rocketlauncher riding a white shark harmless? That's pretty dangerous.
We both know it doesn't have the manual dexterity to operate the shark or the weapon. They would all fall into the water, where the shark would swim away and the raptor would drown and the rocket launcher would sink to the bottom of the ocean.
The fitness industry is quite deceptive
Incredibly so. I'm honestly sometimes ashamed to be working in it.
His Athlean XX for women videos show just how much Jeff cares about his audience. It's insulting.
Yea there's just NO WAY he doesn't know a lot of the stuff he is saying is bullshit. No freaking way. He's not stupid, and thus the only other explanation is that he's wiping his arse with his audience.
Let’s go Geoff, 11k views, you made it!! For real though, I’m so glad you’re getting more attention on here..
Just one video :)
But yes, it's nice getting a bit more success. Hopefully can keep the momentum
This is game changing information for many.
Your channel on Quora brought me here. I enjoy reading your posts , really good stuff. 👍🏽
P.S. Great vid too, i'm totally with you!
Thanks for the support brother!
Thanks for the vid man 👍
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for being honest and real, keep it up 👍. Btw, do you have any recommendations for gym in China?
Somewhere close and convenient. A big chain may be better, small places sometimes close down and you'll be out a year's membership.
I love your content. Some of your videos of you doing exercises your form isn't the most crisp though. Those neutral grip pulldowns looked a little sloppy
Thanks for the video!
Glad you liked it :)
Glad these Jeff videos are coming out now. I think a lot of us have felt guilt and pressure for not doing the millions of little workouts he suggests in every video thinking I'm going to hurt myself one day for not doing some random jumping, balancing hoopla with bands that Jeff says we all need to do....Ain't no one got time fo dat.
The basics are boring and don't get a lot of views...but they're important and should be the focus, always.
I was feeling so guilty of not doing Face Pulls... not anymore. Finally I'm released
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Thank you for your input. Using fake weights is disgusting, childish behavior. In addition to using fake weights, Jeff is obviously lying about his "natural" status. He is an insecure little man who is deeply insecure about the way he looks.
From what I've seen, that's a LOT of "all year shredded" people.
"You take 90% of your max and you do 3-5 reps... then you rest 30 seconds and you do it again... then again... and again" -- I don't think Lasha Talakhadze used that protocol to snatch 220 kilos and clean & jerk 264 in last year's Worlds!
I may be able to deadlift 4 or 5 reps at my 90% on a good day, but there is no fucking way I am repeating this in the same session, not even after 10 minutes' rest! This is the most stupid protocol I have ever heard of and it pains me to know that some people are actually following this advice. It is not only bad, it is dangerous.
_"This is the most stupid protocol I have ever heard of and it pains me to know that some people are actually following this advice. It is not only bad, it is dangerous."_
100% agree!
No doubt people have gotten hurt with this idiocy. When I see this type of stuff from THE BIGGEST FITNESS UA-camR it's really sad and disappointing, and it makes me more than a little angry. It's clear he's not thinking and has never actually trained anyone with protocols like this.
@@GVS The truth is any good lifter/coach with a training log can do much better. All the athlete needs is to write down what he/she is doing and how his/her body is reacting to it after a while. Common sense will always trump fads.
Were you keeping count on how many times you said okay? Lol Good vid
Probably a lot!
the segment at 8:40 got me to subscribe. "you can either be lean or strong. You can't be both." That is my first time hearing that.
In the past 50 years, all around the world, there's been a culture that's been cemented in around recognized wheels: 45's, 44's, 55's, 35's, 33's, 25's, 22's, etc... we all remember the first time we (insert lift) our first 135/225/315... being disingenuous to this is either naïve or deceptive; either way... no Bueno... in a very non-chalant way, it minimalizes those milestones that we've all worked so hard for...
Agree and well said. It's a social contract. A bro contract. And he broke it, and no one seems to care. That's the weird thing.
Can you rate calisthenics UA-camrs next?
FitnessFAQS, Gabo Saturno, Tom Merrick, Calisthenics Movement, etc
I'd like to see that very much
Sure can add them to the list (which is like 50 people lol)
Great content you are representing......where I can find your book sweat online ?........thank you
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0838D5K8X (But use local amazon store).
It has 5.0 stars. Is 7.99. Definitely worth it. :)
Respect for having the balls to call out THE JEFF. He trained the mets 🤯😮😮 the mphukin mets! Lmao he's fake, lies about his stats, about his lifts, constantly makes bait thumbnails, talks crap about good exercises and offers shitty exercises instead
One of his titles was "The deadlift is killing your gains", and in the video he's like "The deadlift is GREAT!!!"
Not THAT is how you clickbait.
@@GVS he's lucky his fanboys are gay for him, man. If anyone else did that they would get plenty of hate. And he has millions of subs ffs, he doesn't need clickbait!
@@FIGHTTIMEprod that's the thing...all this fake weight stuff...even back then he had hundreds of thousands if not millions of subs
Around 9:50 I see you doing an underhan bench press. I haven't seen this before, is there a reason why you use it? I'm interested if it makes lifting easier on the wrists because my wrists are pathetic and fragile.
Might actually be harder on the wrists. It's easier on the shoulders, though. For wrists, I'd use dumbbells. They can rotate freely so should cause less stress, once they are in position at least. Machines might be a good call as well.
You bring up some great points. When I was starting out I would look at all of Jeff’s videos and he was like the perfect role model. He has a body that you want to spend years of your life training for and he was incredibly strong as well. When I was a beginner I figured he got that strong because he’s been training for over 10 years so I just imagined he built that strength over time, using the techniques that he teaches in his videos. The more I trained the more confused and discouraged I would become. Training his way was exhausting, I found it really difficult to move up in weight but didn’t think much of it because I trusted the philosophy. Now that I’ve been training for 3 years and have been around the UA-cam spectrum the main guy that I love listening to is Greg Doucette. You can hear his honesty and experience in each of his videos plus he speaks to me like a kindergartener which helps. Anyways it would be cool to see you make a video on Greg Doucette. Keep up the UA-cam grind and I hope something comes out of it for you.
I did make a video on Greg, but you might not like it as there are some major things I disagree with him on, mostly his style of video and calling my friend's GF a whale/pig. But his info is generally good.
Greg is DEFINITELY a HUGE upgrade from Cavaliere, though.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield is there someone you would recommend? I’m just hoping to simply my training in a that makes since for me. Once someone starts bringing out too much scientific information I feel overwhelmed by the thought of having to research their information in order to justify listening To them.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield I’ll check out your Greg video now
@@lmamelrotmg8007 Check out this link: www.google.com/amp/s/thefitness.wiki/muscle-building-101/%3famp
It'll tell you everything a beginner needs to know as well as provide programmes (I like GZCLP the best).
For lifting tutorials Alan Thrall is really solid.
Good luck.
@@lmamelrotmg8007 I recommend eric bugenhagen
Hello! New sub here, found you from Quora.
Can you recommend any bodyweight/calisthenics exercises to train the biceps?
Xie xie ni
Sure, chinups, pullups, inverted rows. Very hard to isolate the biceps, and no real need to. You can do inverted bicep curls but rows are just better.
You can do some isolation work with rings
Good vid, thanks for calling him out. Btw, what is benefit of using underhand grip in bench press., saw you are using this grip?
Yes, reverse grip bench press. My book goes into more detail, but it works more upper chest and is easier on the shoulders. I prefer it for 10-15 reps per set, after the main, heavier work.
I think Greg knuckols has a article on his website
@@roymustang.595 yup. and he's REALLY good at it.
@@GVS The book is great Geoff - thanks. I've been recommending SWEAT: Special workouts - without reservation.
@@grgoss1 Awesome, thanks so much!
damn your channel really is growing man
Yup. It's hard at the start but gets easier as you go
amen brother!!
6:06 I'm sorry. In which Universe, raptors riding sharks wielding rocket launchers considered "harmless"? I come across one while walking down the street, I'm dead.
They don't have the knowledge to realize it's a weapon or the dexterity score to manipulate it.
Rest safe, my friend.
I always wondered how that small dude could lift more than most bigger guys. I got my answer... FRAUD!
The only weird thing is how it took FIVE YEARS for him to be called out on it!
You keep saying "his videos" (plural), but what OTHER video of Athlean-X's is he claiming to lift a certain heavy weight?
Check the Curlean-X channel. There are several instances.
Hey Geoff your quads are looking good :)
Thanks, they're a weak point though. can't squat heavy yet as no power rack.
Is adding heavier weights on the barbell after adding lighter weights a bad practice?
If I observe your workout sequence 1 setof bench press, neutral pull ups, dumbell rows and you repeated the cycle. Correct? Does it make any difference if I complete all sets of my bench first then neutral pull ups ans so on?
It's not really bad practice but people don't like it, still. Only time it might have an effect is if you put a LOT of lighter weights first then heavier ones later, and it's a deadlift, so it effects the bend of the bar. But that's only in extreme circumstances.
Sort of, I bounce back and forth in between push/press and pull/row movements. So I don't do rows and pulls back to back. Sometimes the footage is not in perfect order. It's not needed, but saves a significant amount of time. But you can do all bench then all pulldowns, etc. Not a big deal.
Amazing video man.
Glad you liked it!
I appreciate the fact that you called this out. I am a big fan of Jeff ok
But to be honest I dont follow him anymore. Fake weights is just too big of a deal for me. I still think he should address this himself to all his fans and other fitness bloggers.
The Velociraptor is fake, in reality it would be carrying a GAU-8.
Sorry but I looked at your subscriber count.
And guess what, it’s growing pretty fast. Good job man👍
Woke up to 1300 views in 11 hours. Usually average 300. Usually get 10-30 subs. Got 60 yesterday.
The beginning is the hardest. Working so hard for just a few hundred views...so it's nice to see things blowing up a bit.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield you deserve the views
@@STEALTHIO911 thanks man. slowly but surely
Bro do use a spotter in reverse grip b.p , how do you unrack it and how to do you control it
It's just 60kg in that video so not a problem. But if using 80-90kg I'd use a power rack (the gym should have one soon and I can finally SQUAT!!!)
1000% !!! It's way past time people hold people that lie and deceive accountable. The TRUTH does and should mean everything! Remember that when you vote this November!
I think it's worth pointing out that we don't know for a fact if velociraptors did not ride sharks or had access to rocket launchers.
While we are at it, what's the benefit of reverse grip bench press?
More upper chest, easier on the shoulder joint as you can externally rotate quite a bit more.
Can I ask what you think about his dietary information ?
Seems reasonable. Nothing amazing but nothing wrong, either.
this is why jeff nippard will always be the better “jeff” in terms of fitness knowledge
But not the best Geof..
I know it’s old but re: 90x3-5 or whatever. Sometimes you will see something like 90% x 5 but it is only in % programs where it is basically built in that you should be x amt stronger by the time it is prescribed weeks into the program.
90% is like 3-4 RM territory, maybe 5 as you said (if you’re like rounding) but if % is off of 10 weeks ago and you’re at the end of a program it may be written that way because 90% at start shouldn’t be 90% now.
It’s a basic difference between say RPE programming and % - RPE allows for adjustment while % would have to anticipate it.
I also heard Jeff has a giant magnet in the ceiling (like the one in Breaking Bad)
That would be one way to do it!
Maybe he is building it now, and prepare to accept the challenge and weight the weights after that xD
The guy he trains also uses fake weights. Jeff has been training him for a long time and the dude still looks like he doesnt lift and is weak as sh.. t. Perfect proof that jeff's workouts don't work
Jesse? I've always found their relationship a bit weird.
Like...with Juji and Tom, Juji is clearly the star, but REALLY good to Tom. He links his Instagram, his puts him in the name, he REALLY and TRULY supports his friend.
Jeff basically just shits on Jesse an entire video.
He has a medical condition that prevents him from training properly, so this is a bit of a dick argument.
It's good thing people are critical towards information no matter who's the subject matter, but come on now. They're taking a piss at each other and it's clearly an act. People are starting to over-analyse everything now....
@@Vipprosal Wasn't aware of any condition. Just know that if you mention someone on Instagram and don't bother linking their account to help them grow...that's pretty shitty.
@@GVS I believe he's been in a car accident that left him with some serious neural issues if I remember correctly; it was mentioned in a video some months ago or so. But yeah, I have no idea what kind of an agreement, relationship or contract they have, so it's just speculation.
How much can Jesse actually lift?
Still waiting for Jeff to open up about this mess right now. Jeff was one of the fitness people I admired and respected. Now with all this shit going on i'm on the edge of the fence with him.
I'd stay subbed. I will. But yea...definitely anything he says is tainted, especially in the meantime before he addresses it.
He never admitted he was wrong about anything.
It is unlikely that he will ever admit his many mistakes.
Even the several atrocities from his older programs that he sort of addressed in newer videos , he never says, ‘’oh this was in x and y program, and I messed up.’’ No he doesn’t say it. AND the mistakes are still in the programs. I know, cause I used to do his programs.. unfortunately. Unless they recently decided to modify them to fix the aberrant things of course. But I doubt it.
A huge lack of transparency.
It’s sad but he has been that way for many years, stuck in flow of being popular and he’s probably at a point where he doesn’t care anymore.
By the way, you seem like a genuine down to earth honest fitness UA-camr. That’s a rare quality. I don’t train like you do, so for training purposes it’s not my thing but some of your opinion videos and comments on these situations are appreciated.
Small channels for the win. genuine people.
Thanks, and yes...this channel is quite different from his. Similar name. Different values.
"he’s probably at a point where he doesn’t care anymore"
Likely this, though perhaps now he regrets it.
"Do as I say not as I do", Brad Castleberry just refilled his popcorn ...."and away we go! Tick tock Mr. Wick"🍿🍿🍿🥤
Fake weights are the ultimate ego lift
@@GVS I am more concerned with the triad of defense attorneys admitting to the acceptance of " a little white lie" while crucified others for the same thing. I never watched Jeff for his strength.
check out the "Pumpchasers" review.
Hey man. Great video. Do you live in China ?
Yup. Shenzhen.
@@GVS LOL. Looks familiar. I am from shenzhen too.
@@godpig3943 oh cool. what district?
@@GVSI live in fu tian, bao an. Moved to LA about 5 years ago to get high school degree. Now I am a junior at UCI. I went back to China occasionally but the gym sucks. It doesn't have a dead life plate form, has little machine, and limited dumbbells. Also, it is crowded as hell LOL. Do you have any recommendations ?
He must get a lot of Chinese girls and the Chinese men are always pissed at him lol.
The number of followers (if any) someone has is irrelevant. True honesty is what you do when no one is watching. Jeff's as dishonest as all the fake natty's. I have more respect for a steroid cheater that admits it like Rich Piana.
Agree 100%
As a athlean x fan(well maybe former fan) exposing the fake plates was the good as it shows that nobody is perfect and people need to look out more and analyize information and videos better before completely trusting that information, video and person giving it
Agree! People need to QUESTION influencers and fitness UA-camrs. Even me! Most people don't use their brains. I didn't for a long time. We need to DOUBT what we hear and be convinced by logic, reasoning and facts, not fake plates and abs.
I gotta admit this has opened my eyes as an athlean x fan. I still stand by his physical therapy and rehab /injury prevention videos but I gotta admit I haven't watched any of his workout videos ever since he advised to breathe out before you squat
@@joebloggs6922 his programming understanding is feeble. A lot of bro science passed off as real science.
I have been going on every big fitness youtuber and writing this comment
I am having a hard time believing all the big guys are actually favouring him!! Giving unbelievable explanation, that weights dont matter and his channel is more about technique and form !
I have a been following jeff from years and a very big fan of his work
The channel has nothing to with number of plates on the bar. But I still feel there was no reason to lie and create an illusion of being a stronger person.
This will still be considered as cheating. Somewhere or the other if even one person was impressed with the amount of weight he was lifting and subscribed to his channel it is unethical.
To put it very simply if a teacher has a degree in physics and he is excellent at his job and teaching physics. All students respect him. Somewhere back in time he had mentioned that he has a degree in chemistry as well. Which kind of impressed some people. Now if the students are told he is lying and he never had a degree in chemistry, wouldn't that be a breach of trust even though he never taught chemistry.
The students may still keep taking knowledge from him but they will never respect the teacher again like the way they used to.
Agree. Though...I'm not a big UA-camr :)
damn, those are some huge ass 5 kg plates, I thought you were lifting much more before you said it was 80 kg
It's interesting what his king's guard gonna do. IIRC Alan Roberts makes stupid excuses (civil unrest tho) to not discuss it, Pure Bullfit (channel's name should haunt him now) blocks any mention about it and SSS is just silent but doesn't block mentioning it, or he's slow at it. Are they going to ignore it till it dies down or address it eventually?
Yes, I find the entire dynamic fascinating. Just...enthralling, really. Because they know. They must know. It's so obvious. But they also don't know how their king is going to respond, so they are just waiting, I bet.
@@GVS Yeah, and the smartest thing for Jeff is probably just ignore it. It depends on how much it's going to blow up really. I'm glad that people are picking it up for good reasons, like you. Btw, I found your channel via Curlean-X and I think I'm gonna stay for good, no bs content :)
@@marcinmichalski9950 Thanks man. Welcome! Feel free to suggest video ideas, you seem like you know a lot about fitness!
@@GVS Thanks, I'll think about.
News from the front (lol): SSS kind of acknowledged it, but not really. He regurgitates the excuse that it was for demonstration purposes and it would be fine with a disclaimer. Oh, and he purges the comment section banning anyone pointing out that it's not the case. Oh well...
@@marcinmichalski9950 That's sad. But sort of expected. He's the ultimate fanboi, I'm not even sure if he even lifts.
I have just one question, ARE THOSE 24KG DUMBBELLS???
If they say 24kg they are 24kg, yes.
@@GVS Damn that is impressive, to me at least. I have problems lifting half that weight lols.
Geoffrey what do you think of Clarence Kennedy
Total beast. They should bottle his CNS and sell it as a preworkout.
There should be a collective lawsuit against AthleanX. A lot of people fell victim to his ridiculous programs - got hurt or/and abandoned training forever.
I agree that Its ok to use fake plates for photo shoots/ movies , but Jeff using it to get more people to believe in his program should be addressed for sure. He is at the top, and my guess is he will never address this issue. However, there should be consequences. Also what is the exercise you did at 9:33 ?
Reverse grip bench press. I go more into it in my book, but basically, it works more upper chest and is easier on the shoulder joints. Harder to unrack, though. Use a power rack if going heavy (under 10 reps or so)
DISCLAIMER: I KNOW THIS IS OLD
I think the reason no one calls him out, is because why does it matter? If his science is correct and he is genuinely showing good form, why is him lifting a fake weight to show the exercise a problem? Seems like you are reaching for something to pull the guy down. He doesn't flaunt the amount of weight he lifts to make himself out to be some super strong tough guy, he just is displaying exercises.
"He doesn't flaunt the amount of weight he lifts"
Except he does. 90% of the comments were praising him for his strength...of lifting the fake weights. That's the issue. It's not the fake weights. It's the obvious deception and manipulation of the audience.
@@GVS - I don’t think he’s deceiving anyone. And I think saying that 90% of the comments are praising his strength is a logical fallacy, unless you have some evidence to back that claim.
I watch a lot of his videos, and I mean a LOT. Not once have I seen a video of him attempting to show just how strong he is. All I’ve seen him doing is explaining exercises and the science behind why they work.
I think if he were the type of guy to say, “oh look at how strong I am, I can do very heavy lifts” in his videos, then sure, I would agree he’s being deceptive.
@@CraZeKllutchy go look at the original video, that's all I'll say. The one by curlean-x as well.
He said the numbers, which were straight up lies. It wasn't just leaving it to the dumbass audience to assume 5 plates was 495 and 3 plates was 315lbs, he straight up lied through his teeth about it. THAT is the issue, not the actual plates. It's the content of his character, not the styrofoam bullshit he was lifting.
@@GVS - I'm just not sure we can judge his character based off of a lie about weights, that mind you he doesn't even flaunt. It's not like he's telling his audience "See how much weight I'm lifting? You can lift this much weight too if you do exactly what I'm doing".
Again, do you consistently watch his videos like I do? Because I'm sure that if you did, you would find that he almost never talks about the amounts of weight you could possibly lift, and is more so trying to help people better understand how to properly conduct different types of exercises.
Here's the thing, without even purchasing his programs, Jeff's YT videos helped me lose weight like I never had before. I feel like that should speak more to what his character is like, rather than just nitpicking borderline trivial things like how much weight he does vs doesn't lift.
I'll go watch the Curlean-X video and get back to you.
Plus after this he lifted lighter weights than he did with fake weights to show he can actually lift and his form breaks down and the bar bends. So he pretty much confirmed he used fake weights without ever actually addressing it.
Like you said he didn't just lift it he said it's x amount. Using fake weights or lighter weights makes sense when you have multiple takes amd angles to get but don't lie amd say it's x amount when it's obviously not.
I used to be an Athlean fan... not any more.
Me too.
If he felt the need to be stronger he should train more instead of faking it. Using fake weights to gain money off of others is not respect worthy.
100% agree. Just because it's a demonstration doesn't mean it's OK to lie!
I agree with 99% of what you said, good points. But, don't ego lift. Only bench press was done with strict form, your other lifts in the video, particularly close grip cable pulldown are with very bad form.
I often use cheated reps. This isn't a form tutorial.
This is why I got respect for Jeremy Ethier… he’s a stick man with pretty good arms but has a huge following. No one expects much from him.. Besides good editing and useful tips here and there.
Definitely don't watch my recent vids on him lol
@@GVS yeah he is pretty silly at times but it’s kind of what I expect and good editing. 😜 Have you reviewed “Muscle Monsters”?
@@wakawaka1976 haven't reviewed them, no
wait so he got buff by lifting fake weights?
I never said he doesn't use real weights sometimes. Just that he has used fake weights on camera. Try to keep up, oh big brained one.
This is such a dead horse that is draining so much money and energy from the UA-cam system. If you buy Athlean because of the poundage in the demo, you should buy some other program made by a body builder, not a professional sports trainer.
i think he does know how to program and he just wants clients to get the "burn out effect" so they can tell others what crazy workout their doing and how hard it is. and when ppl ear that they think its a good and effective program.
That's a stretch. Possible, but...I mean that might be even worse of him, if that's true.
@@GVS it is worse, but think about it for a sec. Is it possible he dosnt know about rest times between sets? He got a few vids about it to..
Probably why he has so many videos on recovery and pain, no wonder, after doing his program good luck having a functioning body. I thought he was supposed to help people not constantly rehabilitate them.
It's like the US food and medical system, you get people fat, then they get diseases, and give them medicine.
Get people hurt with silly, overly agressive protocols, then be there with some rehab and prehab.
2:36 totally makes sense, even in the scientific community flawed papers come out *all* the time, a few go viral, like that study that showed vaccines were linked to autism, or that ted talk about how power-posing makes you more confident
Yea I still have friends tell/ask me about the power posing one. Lies run faster than the truth.
Wait the power posing one is not true? Source?
Can you name some examples of when lying is the greatest good? Not trying to troll but genuinely curious.
I can think of a rather convoluted example.
Consider a happy family where the child got mixed up with another child at birth. You are the only one who knows the truth. Would you risk breaking up the family by telling them the truth? I personally wouldn't. I suppose you could think of plenty other such examples.
The evil blackguard rides up to you, his black horses' nostrils flaring. "Where did the young woman go?" he asks.
Just a few minutes earlier, a young woman had ran past, then dove into a pile of straw nearby, where she still is. You know if you reveal that information, she'll be beaten, tortured and eventually forced to marry the evil king.
What do you do?
@@GVS well I had in mind realistic daily examples lol, not really convoluted random, fanatical situations that only happen in the abstract like you are saying. Again, not trying to troll, just funny when you say lying can be the greatest good in a video about fitness and UA-cam influencers, that's the type of example you had in mind and the type you expected your audience to conjure up. While we are playing games, we can keep down the abstract and say maybe she's a witch? Maybe she just murdered the Royal family and deserves to be caught? Then lying would have a horrible consequence.
Love your channel and content btw lol.
@@TommyGunzzz oh, that's fair enough. Let's say...hmmmm that's harder...I'd say from a CONSUMER perspective, the vast majority of the time, the "influencer" should be honest. But from an INFLUENCER perspective, clearly, often honesty is not the action that gets selected. I think this innate difference is what causes a lot of friction in the industry, often smoothed over with marketing, editing, fancy words, fake science, shiny objects, etc
Didn't think 2020 could get any worse 🤕😔😢
I'd say that it can't get any worse from here, but...who knows.
I think the best thing Jeff can do is show us his real 1 rep max on Squat, Bench and Dead. Though he should be able to 1 Rep max 500lb on dead, that isn't that much so he probably wasn't lying too much on that one.
Well we'll never know. I wouldn't be surprised if his max was below 400 on deadlift and below 250 on bench.
@@GVS that would be disappointing, after 6 months of training and 4 of deadlift I hit a 180 Kg Dead, my bench is weak though only got to 80kg x 5 before I got bursitus.
That comment didn't age well lol
One thing is that video is pretty old too... I honestly believed the weights were real even tho the plates looked dodgy just because I had faith in his channel
Think a lot of people did that. He's been doing it for years.
I can tell you as someone with a fair amount of experience with heavy barbell lifts , he is NOT benching 315.
You learn with time what a real heavy lift looks like.
@@HPKazan The lack of tightness is the biggest, in my view. He's not even arching or bracing or straining, it just shoots up.
What do you think now that he can barely deadlift 440
@@nihilistlemon1995 I dont watch his channel anymore. You can find a lot of good workout info and ideas in smaller channels.
No lie is good. What lie would be a good lie??
amen to that
Glad you agree!
When you said honesty was your middle name, I looked and saw it said Verity. Like holy crap, that means truth!
Yup. It literally is part of me. That's not the reason that the bullshit in the industry pisses me off, but perhaps it's shaped my thoughts to have more integrity than the average person in the fitness industry...not that that's saying much!
You earned new follower haha
Welcome to my channel! Feel free to suggest video ideas or give feedback. I'm somewhat new to all this!
@@GVS Keep doing real exercise video, most of us don't really understand lot of "science" behind it. We just want to do this for 50-60min per day, majority of your audience is going to be from that category.
Then throw in couple of natty or not, catch a fake weight guy, give commentary on some important shit in fitness industry and maybe have guests and do occasional podcasts. Like spice on top of fish/chicken.
Important thing to know is that this is going to take lot of time to grow, unless you are hot chick.
@@gambet0007 looks like I'll need to call my plastic surgeon, that sounds like a lot of work.
@@GVS Haha, for YT girls its usually worth it.lmao
Well said! I for one would not take fitness advice from Donald Trump or Justin Bieber... Yet they are popular, so therefor they are right? Think you blew that argument right out of the water! 👊👊
Good point...social clout is way overrated!
Are in somewhere in Asia?
China
The guy in the video lifting is training REALLY hard!
Do you think being around 85kg 15%bodyfat and being Strong (5plate deadlift, 4plate squat, 3plate bench all 1repmax) for someone that is 172cm(5'8) naturally achievable?
No way you can be 15% 1.72 85kg natural
Flaviu Ciugudean what about 70 kg
@@lmamelrotmg8007 that is izi
I mean you can but you need very very good genetics ,top genetics
Yes, but not everyone. Certainly possible though.
A lot of what is not believable is HOW he is moving the weights, for reps, without specific training, when quite shredded.
I steered away from Jeff's videos after how dogmatic he would be about some things and dogmatism usually just steers me the opposite direction especially with his thoughts on OHP and he isn't a strength coach.
Moderation doesn't "sell". A lot of my videos don't take a LOVE or HATE stance and thus they won't be as popular....but they're far more accurate.
@@GVS I understand. I don't love or hate Jeff I lost interest and other strength training channels on UA-cam had more info on programming to offer.
Jeff's fanboys are the most pathetic
I'm inclined to agree, after interacting with several of them. They provide no arguments or substance whatsoever, it's like arguing with a wall. A wall that says "fuck you, you have fewer subs than my king".
Dickriders*
I was a huge fan of him for like 7 or 8 years. Not anymore
Hark! - Batman's fanboys are worse.
@@Magneticlaw Batman has more real lifts than Jeff