@The Sigma Freak I agree. I have since grown tired of Doucette. I once found him funny and informative but can't watch his channel anymore. Completely over hearing about his stupid cookbook
I was never into Jeff. It's annoying to have someone tell you that every workout you've ever learned is wrong and killing your gains. And everything he shows you is a better option. Gtfoh!! How is it that this guy supposedly know more about fitness than anyone else who has done it throughout history? It's annoying!
It's needlessly complicated. Honestly. The basics don't sell but they are THE BASICS for a reason, because they are better than all this circus bullshit most of the time. Sprinkle in the occasional weird movement for fun and variety but don't make it the bread and butter. That's just asking for a lack of progress.
i'm pretty sure Jeff got jacked with the conventional movements, like bench press, curls, extensions, pull downs, rows, pull ups, squats, deadlifts, yet he preaches that all these don't work because these videos sell
Jeff just commented on Greg Doucette's latest video saying he'll take a drug test for him, completely ignoring the fake weight plate scandal. Drug test doesn't prove anything cause drug tested athletes get around those all the time. I wanna see Jeff take on Alec Enkiri's deadlift challenge but I seriously doubt he will.
Saw that. Greg is in Canada and won't be able to fly anyway. It's just shifting the focus from the fake weights to fake/natural status. And yes, drug test means absolutely nothing, anyway. They both know that.
Greg Doucette finally came to his senses and made another video openly criticizing Jeff. To my surprise, Jeff himself commented on Greg's latest video. I've never seen him do that before...
I have to say... Finding out that your max bench was 115 kgs a year ago makes me more confortable with my 90 kgs max for 3 reps. I prefer honesty and the good information you provide. A "good" physique like Jeff's (not really, even without knowing he used fake weights, he looked skinny and weak) doesn't make me stay watching a channel. I think your advice is really helping me out
Now he's only 99.3% right :) I watched it, and it makes sense. His explanation rings true given his wording from his first video-he just never saw the part where Jeff said that he was lifting the 500lbs or 315lbs.
Yes, I watched his video as mine uploaded. China internet+VPN is SLOW, most of my videos take 20-60 minutes to upload and I was too lazy to stop and rerecord. I agree with his new stance.
@@curlean-x4443 Jeff seems to be deflecting in this answer. He doesn't mention the fake weights. He addresses the drug allegations only. If he was really serious, he'd do the deadlift challenge with Alec Enkiri. That is inspiring too. Would he let Enkiri travel to him too? We know now for certain that Jeff at least knows who Alec Enkiri is. He is featured with name and images in Greg's video. Keep that in mind. He can no longer claim he was not aware of it.
@@GVS I think it takes character to speak up, especially when Jeff has such a huge following. I am very disappointed in some of the other influencers that I used to follow. They would not hesitate to lash out at other youtubers who gave crap advice but when this happened to Jeff, they gave excuses and turned a blind eye. 👎🏼
Now THIS is a video I can RESPECT! (And YAY Skyrim) Mate you're so level headed it's hugely refreshing, some of the SHIT I have heard from people trying to defend him is genuinely infuriating to listen to. Man I'm only half way through the video and just can't not be saying how much respect I have for you and I have subscribed because of this, we need people like you.
Oh and yes you nailed it - the way he's handled it is absolutely disgusting and it's what has made me lose ALL respect for him and he NEEDS exposing, he's an unscrupulous person who is dangerous to listen to. But hey, he's POPULAR and uses lots of jargon so MUST BE GOOD RIGHT!?? I see the people defending him as either unscrupulous, morons, or victims
Thanks for the kind words. I think this stuff needs to be called out more and it's honestly mind-boggling how many people just accepted this scammy bullshit.
Honestly though I think channels like yours serve an important niche in the community. I needed to sift through all the bullshit - the external (industry’s aesthetic fetish) and internal (my own vanity) to eventually find channels like yours with real no-frills solid information. Honestly it took me years to get here. Although I’d like for channels like yours to be more accessible to the public, there was a lot of self-development that I had to go through to get here and looking back I think there’s merit in the journey. Finally-developing-a-strength-base-after-years-of-dumbass-pump-training-for-aesthetics crew checking in
Congrats on finding the channel. It couldn't have been easy, I've been averaging just a few hundred views per video. UA-cam is...a hard platform to succeed on compared to some others, it's very saturated, mostly by BS.
Credit where credit's due. Greg has gone back and changed his verdict on Jeff and called him a liar, and rightly so. I still don't think Greg is the best guy around, but I do respect him not being so low so as to suck up to Jeff just because he's the biggest fitness youtuber.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield I think people just jumped the gun on Greg simply because of how he responded I think. Greg’s just the type of guy who won’t care about a topic unless he is interested in it apparently.
Must say, I read your posts on Quora. It is a good thing that you are fighting a good fight outside of UA-cam, especially when you have a pretty substantial outreach there.
Yes, it's important where ever I have a platform, especially as I don't have a large reach here on UA-cam. The world deserves better, and he deserves to know that lying is wrong.
The ‘’x’’ in the name I’m pretty sure comes from the beginning where he was really trying to compete with P90x , believe or not. The bar is pretty low from the get go, lol.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield It’s not on the site anymore but back then when I was an idiot following his stuff I saw that. Kinda comparing his system and saying it’s better than P90x. Jees.
That's just how the algorithm-or perhaps humanity-works. Videos with this kind of content get 5-10x the "normal" number of views. Of course, I also have dozens of other videos about lifting, diet, etc...so there's a pretty decent balance.
He used fake weights because he markets himself as all things to all people. He's a salesman. He's an expert in selling programs and products to gullible beginners, not so much in turning people into athletes.
I'm a very lean guy like Jeff is I cant bulk up but I commented on a video of him struggling with the 100lb dumbells. I made a comment saying that I was surprised he was struggling with them and that I can do 100s for a good 7-8 reps and I only weigh 152lbs. People in the comments were saying I was a liar and they were saying my form was probably bad when I did them. I didnt think 100lbs was such a big deal??
"I made a comment saying that I was surprised he was struggling with them" It's a cult. You cannot criticize the cult leader. That was your mistake. Go on his most recent Instagram post for evidence of the insane amount of sheep that follow him. Nice lifting, by the way. 100lbs isn't crazy, but it's solid weight.
I have literally never seen him run. I'm not saying that footage doesn't exist, but in many years of watching him I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM RUN. How athletic is THAT????
Yeah not to mention Jesse has had the pretty shitty gains for supposedly training hard and eating a lot for 2 years straight. You’d think he be a bit bigger and stronger after all that time even with supposedly “terrible genetics”. I did Jeff’s programs for 2 years and just recently switched over to one of Jeff Nippard’s programs and it’s night and day. I’ve only been doing it for 2 weeks and I’ve been able to add 5 lbs onto ALL of my lifts each week (my all time PR for the squat is 185 for 8 - never tested my 1RM, yeah I was never really strong, but who cares). Because of COVID and gyms being closed since March, I’m pretty detrained, but the fact that I’m seeing such good progress already after doing Cavaliere’s programs for 2 whole years (and working my ass off at them) makes me think they’re complete shit.
I am new and it really doesn’t matter to me whether weights are fake or not. I can’t tell what they’re supposed to weigh just by looking at them, I would have to read the numbers. 🤷♂️
A 115 Kg bench is no joke actually. It's sad that there's so much fake content on the internet making people believe that 115 kilos is a light weight or something. The max I've reached on the bench is 100 Kg for 3 reps and it felt like I was being crushed to death even though I was strong enough to do it without assistance. That day humbled me and proved how skewed the perspective of people about heavy weights actually are. Honestly, if you can move your own or a bit more than your own bodyweight in compound lifts, you are strong; stronger than quite a bit of the general population!
My problem with him using fake weights is it’s false advertising, programming someone to get to a 500 deadlift takes a ton of knowledge and experience. If your faking lifts like that it calls in to question everything you present as a proper method for achieving strength.
The longer Jeff delays an apology, the less likely he will recover from this scandal. Personally, I think it might already be too late since he made that dumbass post going after Doucette.
I'm not sure, actually. These things tend to blow over...people IN the industry won't forget. But those out of it? The Curlean-X video has ~100k views...Jeff has 10 MILLION subs. That's just 1% of his subs, meaning that there's just no way that any kind of meaningful amount of his subscriber base has seen it. There are other videos, and the Greg thing is gonna get a LOT of exposure, but honestly...he'll be fine. He's a millionaire. He'll still get millions of views. I still get people defending him on EVERY post I make on any platform that mentions it.
@@trevbarlow9719 Yes, they have only watched Jeff and thus only trust him. He appeals to the mainstream VERY well. So they probably won't even ever see the video. I'm betting he'll hunker down and wait, or maybe make a parody with a 10 plate bench or something.
@@GVS Judging by some of Jeff's videos, he appears to have a large Indian and middle eastern following. It could be that many or most of his subs come from either countries which are non-English speaking, and are less likely to scope out critiques of the guy. BTW, him first coming clean *then* doing a massive 10 plate lift parody would be a way back into our hearts.
Gregg said that he didn't care if he was only using them to show proper form, once some one pointed out to him that he was also claiming to be able to lift for fake weight gregg changed his opinion
By the time I'm writing this comment I have like 1 year experience in lifting weights, so basically a newbie. I remember I used to follow Jeff's channel and it seemed legit, until I got to this whole fake weights affair. I wasn't a subscriber, but just watched some of his videos now and then showing form. After this scandal, for me Jeff has lost all credibility. Logic being, since I'm not knowledgeable about those subjects, how can I know when he's right and when he's lying? I'm just following other channels now (mainly Sean N). Also, I remember that I actually tried some of his controversial indications in the gym and it seemed really bad and borderline dangerous (especially breathing out before squatting with heavy weights). It felt so uncomfortable and unsafe that I was confused and looked for other sources of info, so this is how I found the whole fake weights scandal and everything.
Frankly, out of pretty much everyone that voiced something on this whole debacle you've been the only one that I've felt made the best presentations on the fake weight, bad advices, etc. stuff. Scott's been pretty laid back, Doucette's just like Keemstar, PBF, EDDF and others just seem to go for the 'drama' path, fun to watch but not useful or uplifting in anyway at the end of the day. Damn shame that almost everyone seems to want to capitalize the views instead of the few that are really interested in making YT fitness a better place
They are a lot bigger than me. They've been around a lot longer. They don't want any beef with big channels, and they probably have a lot of subscriber overlap with Jeff's sheep-like following. I personally do not care. I have less to lose and thus prefer to simply share my thoughts. Doucette did a 180, by the way. Check his recent videos. Gained a lot of respect for him.
@@GVS yeah, checked that vid, kind of funny that happened almost at the same time keemstar made an apology video (completely unrelated though) but I rather check on Mike Israetel than Doucette, some time ago they did have a discussion meditated by Omar, interesting discussion although a bit weird.
@@GVS Ahhh, were you also left with the impression that Mike kinda tried (would say he was successful to a certain degree) to rip Doucette apart? Although at the expense of looking kind of a dick, Recall that the comment section on that vid was fun to read up but so convoluted
@@GVS BTW finally Greg doucette has opened up and has made a video bashing athlean x. He goes on to say now I think jeff is not natural. If he can lie about the weight he can lie about his natural status ua-cam.com/video/5hI8kb7I4Ds/v-deo.html
Not necessarily. But both are very common. There ARE people who have millions of subs who are great-Jeff Nippard and Jeremy Ethier come to mind. They don't take steroids, nor do they use fake weights, they just have excellent information, production value and physiques.
You touched on it, but plain and simple he did it for $. He makes huge bank on YT, I'm interested to see if he'll address it because the issue is everywhere. Ironically he's probably seen an uptick in views with all the controversy. Thanks for your content, I started following you on Quora.
Funny that you mentioned that Athlean Anabolix program. Just found out that his "intensity" technique to create strength and muscle in that program is called Triple X Set. I believe you talked about it in one of your videos, but it gets crazier than what you thought lol. Basically, you get 90% of 1RM and with a timer, or phone in front of you, you start it and do 3 reps. When you're done, look at the timer and rest till it gets to 30 seconds, then do another 3 reps until it hits 60 seconds, and so forth until you can only do one rep. Again, it's 3 reps every 30 second and whatever time you have left after you finish is your rest time till it hits another 30 seconds. That is ONE Triple X set.
Yes, so I've heard. Just a silly protocol, for many people 90% IS their 3 rep max...once! Whoever wrote that clearly doesn't know DICK about programming, strength training, or...anything, really. That fact that THE BIGGEST UA-camR is writing shit like that and people are paying for it because they think he used that to develop his fake fucking strength really pisses me off. It's dogshit.
@@GVS Yup that type of shit programming can get you hurt. The irony I'd say, but people still say that the programs work, but work in what? In getting lean? Because that works with any program as long as you adhere to it and are disciplined with nutrition. However, most of these people already spent money on his programs which makes them be attached to them.
@@GVS I don't think Jeff understands what a rep max is. He has you in one video doing a 5RM, 10RM and 25RM IN THE SAME WORKOUT. You can't max out mutiple times in the same workout, that defeats the whole purpose and goes against the definiton of a max.
That is just one of the ridiculous protocols. Athlean NXT has a high level of fitness quackery that it seems like it came out of a comic book. Decay sets, doubling sets, ascending ISO sets, "3rd-degree burn workouts", productive rep overload, MP30 sets, MT60 sets, and MM90 sets. His Athlean Breakout program has new protocols called plyo eccentrics and forced eccentrics. I search all of these on the internet and got nothing. No reprints, research papers or scientific literature of any kind.
I honestly was disappointed when I found out about the fake weights on Jeff’s deadlift maybe even dumbfounded and would never condone it however ATHLEAN X is number 1 for good reason - s and not a stroke of luck
I don't know the exact names, I got sent bits and pieces. Some sounded hilariously bad. Like...do a set of 3 with 90%, and keep doing that every 30 seconds (not 30 seconds rest, ON the 30 seconds, so :30, 1:00, 1:30, 2:00, 2:30, the set time is still counted!) until you die. Ridiculous protocol. Needless to say, I have not purchased one of his programs. They're more expensive than MY custom ones!
@@GVS Lol me neither 😂... I kinda lost respect for him knowing he used fake plates but yeah I'll continue watching his channel but won't ever believe a word he says rather I'll cross-check everything and confirm for myself🤷🏻♂️
There was one workout he recommended in a UA-cam video called “How many reps to build muscle (BODYWEIGHT EXERCISES)”, which struck me as pretty excessive, having given it a go. Basically, it consists of taking the bodyweight exercise of your choice and doing one set to failure. You then take the number of reps you managed, and multiply it by somewhere between 3 (basic) and 10 (extreme), which is your target for the workout. You try to reach that number in as few sets as possible, with a maximum of 90 seconds rest between sets. I tried it with pullups, which I’m pretty decent at (I can do 20 on a good day), but even getting to the 3x was a struggle, since going to failure on the first set had left me pretty shot, and I needed far more than 90 seconds rest. Doing a workout of 200 pullups total would have taken me all day. At the time, I wanted to try it, since I trusted that Jeff knew what he was talking about, but now I’m a lot more sceptical. Would be interested in your opinion, Geoff.
I'm with you on this! Kudos to you for speaking up! I highly regard your opinions on weightlifting. Got to know you over on Quora from quite your beginning there. Just bought your book a week ago and I must say, it's one of the best out there. Keep up your good work! Greetings from Switzerland Andreia Smith (Quora)
2:13 "I don't know why the X is there. Does anyone know why the X is there?" I got curious. Short answer: “X-Factor.” Long answer: 'As for the “X”. Again, for those who know Cavaliere or have been fortunate enough to be trained by him, you just know that his workouts and creativity bring that “extra something” to the table that other programs and trainers fall short in delivering. This truly is his fitness “X-Factor”. It’s his innate ability to be able to reach deep down into his clients will…to turn off the impulse to say “I quit” and instead turn on the desire to say “I Can”.' Yadda yadda yadda. athleanx.com/about-the-program
Good video. I think you go a little bit too hard on the Fitness industry though. Not everyone is crap from the top videos. For example, I really like the videos of Scott Herman and his videos are usually the first to be listed for most exercises. Also there are many other good channels out there you just gotta have some awareness to pick the information that's worth to listen for.
That's the trouble, without a fair amount of knowledge it's REALLY hard for people to tell who is legit or just using their abs and talking big to get at their wallet. I can always tell. But I couldn't always...always tell.
Biggest bench I ever did was 120 kilos. Probably much less now. I don't even care how much I lift anymore. The most important thing is keeping fit and healthy. Take V-shred as an example. He's a complete idiot, gives horrendous advice but has a ton of subs/followers! Just because he's lean and has abs. 🤦♂️
Everything seems pretty stable. Though the official numbers are obviously way off (as they are in every country) life is basically back to normal+facemasks mode.
His programs are there on torrents, and not gonna lie, they are kind of bag of mix, some ideas are good some are downright horrible and some are just not effective. He is good at naming shit though, that might explain "X" haha Come on, 40+ under 180 pounds, he would be lucky to lift twice his body weight with 8-10% body fat levels. Even if he took TRT, it would be not easy to pull that off.
No doubt. Can get anything on torrents. And yes, when you are shredded, as a natural, you get weak. Like...really weak. To be shredded ALL YEAR...I think it's likely he's on TRT yes. And ALSO fake weights, lol. So he actually probably did both.
My favorite part in your vid at 9:15.. 😆.. 💪🏻 Geoff, i noticed that no one in your gym wear masks and apparently no safe distancing in place too. Here in Singapore, gyms are still closed. In your opinion, what precaution should one take when returning back to the gym since there is still a risk of virus? I would like to go back to the gym as soon as it is opened but am also worried about putting my family members at risk. Thanks in advice for your advice.
If you live with someone at risk (~70+ or with respiratory issue) I'd consider not going at all, if there are still local cases. Otherwise, no problem in going. Just wash your hands a lot. But yes...SZ is basically back to normal.
@@GVS thanks dude! Like you, i hate bw exercises and really hope to get back into the gym. Might try to go in those unearthly hours to avoid the peak hours crowd.
You just named a HUGE fact that people dont seem to recognize. Many people, especially in the fitness business are plain stupid. What hurts me the most is that some of them are educated. I just cant understand why. jeff claims to have studied all those things he mentioned and out of the blue deadlifts with a round back, makes a program squatting 10 reps for 10 sets at 70% to 80% max and then curls 60kg as if he can curl as much as ct fletcher. but honestly, speaking as an upcoming pro powerlifter, how much you lift doesnt show 'fitness', it shows strength. i have to admit, after a 5 year experience in powerlifting, fitness is not for everyone, strength is not for everyone, and looking good is not for everyone. i firmly believe, jeff does not have any fitness crediblity other than his followers and subscribers. no coach with common sense can make such stupid programs. fitness is indeed a way of life. exercise keeps people young but it does within a horrible way; you just have to sweat. im telling you, some people just dont want to sweat. a proper fitness gym shouldnt have air conditioning, because exercise is not a luxury. the term 'functional' is what ecourages people to work out nowadays, not exercise its self. good, smart and wisely chosen vocabulary is what wins, not the actual product.
Well said. "i firmly believe, jeff does not have any fitness crediblity other than his followers and subscribers. no coach with common sense can make such stupid programs" 100% agree. He's betrayed his utter lack of strength training many times, and yet people still act like he's a "guru", probably because that's what he markets himself as.
Hey Geoffrey The one thing about this im having a hard time getting, is how do any of you guys KNOW its fake weights? I went ahead and tried max deadlifting for the first time last week just to see where i was, and i did 210kgs(462lbs) and i dont do weight lifting (gymnast tho). So why wouldnt Jeff, a fitness pro be able to do 15kgs more than me? We are approx same height and weight. I just dont get it. Would love to hear any thoughts on this, because quite frankly I dont find 495lbs to be that impressive when I can nearly do it
@@GVS okay, a bit more sold to the idea that they are fake. but it still doesnt make any sense to me, why the deadlift in particular is so controversial. Is 495lbs really that impressive? Why shouldnt he be able to do it, when i nearly can? Thx for the reply btw, appreciated.
@@johanlilja3292 "Is 495lbs really that impressive?" Never. The need to fake any of his videos never existed. This is yet another internet witch hunt. The stupid is out in force once again. Don't get sucked in.
Hi Geoffrey, listen even if I agree with you on the fake weights, i don't really agree on you attacking him for his knowledge, i am also a personal trainer and i check a lots of other youtubers but i think his content is a bit more superior, so if you want to go after him for the fake weights am with you but don't act like the he doesn't know what his doing .i haven't checked his program but i do use some of his exercises even on my clients and have worked very effectively .
Much of it is good. But don't act like it's 100% good. He's told people to breathe out before squats. If you're a personal trainer you know that's really, really bad advice, right? And it can easily get someone hurt, right?
@@GVS Thank you for your reply, haven't seen that video but if he did yea that is bad, maybe it not 100% all good but you acted like his just a really bad influencer and put him in that bad part of UA-cam that gives bad advice, you tried to make it seem like it just a 6 pack and that not it , Jeff Cavaliere MSPT, CSCS served as both the Head Physical Therapist and Assistant Strength Coach for the New York Mets during the National League East Championship 2006, 2007 and 2008, if you are a personal trainer you would agree that's a dream job for any personal trainer and you can't get a job like that just having a 6 pack .
@@littlemee1831 TONS of sports PTs and other trainers get jobs just because of who they know, actually. Just because someone has worked with professional teams doesn't mean they are competent when it comes to strength training. Credentials also mean very little, I've seem people with TONS of letters after their name who didn't know shit! Again, look at what he SAYS. Recommending 10x10 on squats with 70-80% 1RM with 1 minute rest? It's blatantly horrible advice, and he's done this a lot. Watch him for entertainment or abs, but not for strength training. PT is also fine, but get a second opinion on whatever he says, don't take his word as gospel or you risk becoming a sheep.
@@GVS Thanks for the reply , i do respect your opinion but i have another, don't worry am not following everything his saying for example i dont think he is the best nutritionist out there and him as other youtubers have flaws , but i just think hi has less than others .
In a word, yes. He has occasionally decent advice, he runs ads, he has abs, he's very confident and glib, he has a private gym with great lighting and, well...fake plates. And, most importantly...he was EARLY. He's been at this a decade+. Sometimes being EARLY is important...he's reinvested his financial gains into ads (you've probably seen them) and used clickbait overhyped BS since day one.
He was at the right place, at the right time... that's it. Do you remember "sixpackshortcuts"?? There were tons of "OG" fitness channels back then, with not much competition, and tons of followers... The guy got lucky, that's it. He was just smarter than the other ones, and got his connection in professional sport that gave him (false) credibility. He had the face and the body. He would NEVER have 10M today if he was called out for his BS videos 6-8 years ago. But at the time, there was no discussion about "fake weights", it was relatively new on youtube. Serious lifters didn't have a big following, or even a presence on youtube.
I feel like you kinda just have to use discernment because you can tell some things are bs and not to take anyone's info 100 percent of the time the same way when you do research for a paper in college you don't cite just one source primarily so you kinda have to learn to sift through what's good and what's not and draw conclusions. Jeffs videos didn't apply much to me after I began weight training because i searched and found other programs and learned a little on programming for strength training and some excercises didn't make sense for me to do since it didn't seem applicable to my goals so gradually just didn't watch his stuff for some years.
After I started to upload this one actually, haha. Saw it on my feed and was like....shit...already recorded it. I was confused at his original stance, and his new video clears things up, seems a lot more like himself.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield well to be fair it was a QnA video, where sometimes he just answer a straight to the point question with straight to the point answers
The gym you’ve been training at in your latest videos looks so weird. Is it like in the middle of a mall or something? Lol, never seen anything like it.
You know? I first got into fitness because of Jeff Cavaliere, and I love his videos. Used to think he told the truth always, but I realize he's not as honest as I thought. However, I must recognise that Jeff is good at getting you abs. Specially when it comes to working out at home, which is what I do, so, I won't hate on him, will keep to watch his videos every now and then, but I'll certainly start watching your channel more, and Jeff Nippard's. Fuck Jeff Seid btw 😂
Coach Greg admitted he wiffed it and he just came out and changed his stance.
Yea just saw that. Agree with his new stance. Makes a lot more sense.
@Jadd Cavalberry Agree!
He's only right 99.3% of the time! There's going to be a mistake now and again
@The Sigma Freak I agree. I have since grown tired of Doucette. I once found him funny and informative but can't watch his channel anymore. Completely over hearing about his stupid cookbook
@@livecool.diecool this 100 percent aged well :D you guys caught on early. Def 5 head move laddies
I was never into Jeff. It's annoying to have someone tell you that every workout you've ever learned is wrong and killing your gains. And everything he shows you is a better option. Gtfoh!! How is it that this guy supposedly know more about fitness than anyone else who has done it throughout history? It's annoying!
It's needlessly complicated. Honestly. The basics don't sell but they are THE BASICS for a reason, because they are better than all this circus bullshit most of the time. Sprinkle in the occasional weird movement for fun and variety but don't make it the bread and butter. That's just asking for a lack of progress.
You mean a standing cross body cable pull DOESN’T build more lat muscle than pull ups???
i'm pretty sure Jeff got jacked with the conventional movements, like bench press, curls, extensions, pull downs, rows, pull ups, squats, deadlifts, yet he preaches that all these don't work because these videos sell
You're goddamn right. I'd rather follow your content, 115kg bench included, than the content of a proven liar like Cavaliere. Well done.
Thanks :) And hopefully it won't be 115kg for too much longer
@Ali Uyar ONE
Appreciate your content and dedication toward the fitness industry Geoff. Keep a good job, bringing the real TRUTH to fitness. 💪
Thanks man! I highly doubt I'll be able to change anything just myself, but I'll never stop fighting.
Jeff just commented on Greg Doucette's latest video saying he'll take a drug test for him, completely ignoring the fake weight plate scandal. Drug test doesn't prove anything cause drug tested athletes get around those all the time. I wanna see Jeff take on Alec Enkiri's deadlift challenge but I seriously doubt he will.
Saw that. Greg is in Canada and won't be able to fly anyway. It's just shifting the focus from the fake weights to fake/natural status. And yes, drug test means absolutely nothing, anyway. They both know that.
and he deleted his comment. LOL
He deleted his comment lol... there was 500 (maxed out) response, and 4.2k likes on it
Greg Doucette finally came to his senses and made another video openly criticizing Jeff. To my surprise, Jeff himself commented on Greg's latest video. I've never seen him do that before...
Saw that. Some truly, truly epic amounts of popcorn are needed for me to deal with this.
@@GVS hope it's smartpop as the good Doc prescribes and not skinny pop
I think he just finally delve into more researching it since people jump to their own conclusions about what he thinks personally
I have to say... Finding out that your max bench was 115 kgs a year ago makes me more confortable with my 90 kgs max for 3 reps. I prefer honesty and the good information you provide. A "good" physique like Jeff's (not really, even without knowing he used fake weights, he looked skinny and weak) doesn't make me stay watching a channel. I think your advice is really helping me out
Greg put up a video today after he realized the extent of the deception. He admitted his was definitely mistaken.
Now he's only 99.3% right :)
I watched it, and it makes sense. His explanation rings true given his wording from his first video-he just never saw the part where Jeff said that he was lifting the 500lbs or 315lbs.
Lol glad he was able to admit. This situation is crazy
Eventually Greg called him out, apparently (?) he was too lazy last time to do a proper research no the topic. Interesting how things unfold :)
Yes, I watched his video as mine uploaded. China internet+VPN is SLOW, most of my videos take 20-60 minutes to upload and I was too lazy to stop and rerecord. I agree with his new stance.
@@GVS what VPN are you using and what's your internet speed rated at? I might be able to help you set up a faster one.
Jeff responded: imgur.com/gallery/822ILsA
@@curlean-x4443 really?
@@curlean-x4443 Jeff seems to be deflecting in this answer. He doesn't mention the fake weights. He addresses the drug allegations only. If he was really serious, he'd do the deadlift challenge with Alec Enkiri. That is inspiring too. Would he let Enkiri travel to him too?
We know now for certain that Jeff at least knows who Alec Enkiri is. He is featured with name and images in Greg's video. Keep that in mind. He can no longer claim he was not aware of it.
Your passion for fitness and truth is commendable. Keep up the good work Geoffrey 👍👍
Thanks! I wasn't sure if I wanted to kick this dead horse again, but I think it's important.
@@GVS
I think it takes character to speak up, especially when Jeff has such a huge following. I am very disappointed in some of the other influencers that I used to follow. They would not hesitate to lash out at other youtubers who gave crap advice but when this happened to Jeff, they gave excuses and turned a blind eye. 👎🏼
Passion is killing your gains!!!! Lol
Now THIS is a video I can RESPECT! (And YAY Skyrim) Mate you're so level headed it's hugely refreshing, some of the SHIT I have heard from people trying to defend him is genuinely infuriating to listen to. Man I'm only half way through the video and just can't not be saying how much respect I have for you and I have subscribed because of this, we need people like you.
Oh and yes you nailed it - the way he's handled it is absolutely disgusting and it's what has made me lose ALL respect for him and he NEEDS exposing, he's an unscrupulous person who is dangerous to listen to. But hey, he's POPULAR and uses lots of jargon so MUST BE GOOD RIGHT!??
I see the people defending him as either unscrupulous, morons, or victims
Thanks for the kind words. I think this stuff needs to be called out more and it's honestly mind-boggling how many people just accepted this scammy bullshit.
Honestly though I think channels like yours serve an important niche in the community. I needed to sift through all the bullshit - the external (industry’s aesthetic fetish) and internal (my own vanity) to eventually find channels like yours with real no-frills solid information. Honestly it took me years to get here. Although I’d like for channels like yours to be more accessible to the public, there was a lot of self-development that I had to go through to get here and looking back I think there’s merit in the journey.
Finally-developing-a-strength-base-after-years-of-dumbass-pump-training-for-aesthetics crew checking in
Congrats on finding the channel. It couldn't have been easy, I've been averaging just a few hundred views per video. UA-cam is...a hard platform to succeed on compared to some others, it's very saturated, mostly by BS.
X is just to make it cooler to make the title pop out. Like spelling extreme like this X- TREME
Thanks for the X-planation :)
Mad respect...not because the video on jeff but because you train your speech, which is a skill i always slept on.
I definitely still need to work on it!
Its incredible how engaging you are with your supporters I dont see this that much on other fitness channels.
I literally answer every comment hahaha. Or at least 95%+
Credit where credit's due. Greg has gone back and changed his verdict on Jeff and called him a liar, and rightly so. I still don't think Greg is the best guy around, but I do respect him not being so low so as to suck up to Jeff just because he's the biggest fitness youtuber.
Same. My respect for Greg has grown since I made my video on him. This help solidify that.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield I think people just jumped the gun on Greg simply because of how he responded I think. Greg’s just the type of guy who won’t care about a topic unless he is interested in it apparently.
@@GVS you see jeffs reply😱😱🤣🤣
@@anynamez7048 yup. and the response video by Greg just now
Still waiting for the FOOD series!
That is a BIG project!
Must say, I read your posts on Quora. It is a good thing that you are fighting a good fight outside of UA-cam, especially when you have a pretty substantial outreach there.
Yes, it's important where ever I have a platform, especially as I don't have a large reach here on UA-cam. The world deserves better, and he deserves to know that lying is wrong.
Such an honest and transparent accounting esp on the pressures of UA-cam industry
I agree w you. Earn it and earn your integrity
The ‘’x’’ in the name I’m pretty sure comes from the beginning where he was really trying to compete with P90x , believe or not. The bar is pretty low from the get go, lol.
Bhahaha...oh man. If that's true that's hilarious.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield It’s not on the site anymore but back then when I was an idiot following his stuff I saw that.
Kinda comparing his system and saying it’s better than P90x. Jees.
Love it. Nice video my guy. You've earned a sub.
Welcome to the channel!
“But until that day it is not mine to claim” so well said.
Hopefully it will be one day!
Literally every channel: "I didn't want to make this video"
But them views, bro, gotta chase that hype.
That's just how the algorithm-or perhaps humanity-works. Videos with this kind of content get 5-10x the "normal" number of views. Of course, I also have dozens of other videos about lifting, diet, etc...so there's a pretty decent balance.
He used fake weights because he markets himself as all things to all people. He's a salesman. He's an expert in selling programs and products to gullible beginners, not so much in turning people into athletes.
I know this video is now partially outdated, but still thanks for the opinion: I agree absolutely with everything!
Times change quickly, yup!
"present yourself and I'll finish you off" ... that made me laugh 👍
My bench press sucks too relative to how strong I look. But w/e, at least I look good, I should be grateful for what I have.
Ha ha sex part was hilarious🤣🤣
Marketing is important!
This is why I follow watch your videos. Keep up the good work.
4:23 sounding like a South park Canadian
I'm a very lean guy like Jeff is I cant bulk up but I commented on a video of him struggling with the 100lb dumbells. I made a comment saying that I was surprised he was struggling with them and that I can do 100s for a good 7-8 reps and I only weigh 152lbs. People in the comments were saying I was a liar and they were saying my form was probably bad when I did them. I didnt think 100lbs was such a big deal??
"I made a comment saying that I was surprised he was struggling with them"
It's a cult. You cannot criticize the cult leader. That was your mistake. Go on his most recent Instagram post for evidence of the insane amount of sheep that follow him.
Nice lifting, by the way. 100lbs isn't crazy, but it's solid weight.
Has anyone else noticed that Jeff Cavalier doesn't even look like an athlete himself? He mostly looks like a little stick-legged steroid user.
I have literally never seen him run. I'm not saying that footage doesn't exist, but in many years of watching him I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM RUN. How athletic is THAT????
@@GVS one of his early videos shows him sprinting when they talk about running. I've seen the same clip in several videos but only that one.
When Jeff had Jesse do the new army fitness test, Jesse didn't even do the run lol. Jesse just guessed what time he would do.
Yeah not to mention Jesse has had the pretty shitty gains for supposedly training hard and eating a lot for 2 years straight. You’d think he be a bit bigger and stronger after all that time even with supposedly “terrible genetics”. I did Jeff’s programs for 2 years and just recently switched over to one of Jeff Nippard’s programs and it’s night and day. I’ve only been doing it for 2 weeks and I’ve been able to add 5 lbs onto ALL of my lifts each week (my all time PR for the squat is 185 for 8 - never tested my 1RM, yeah I was never really strong, but who cares). Because of COVID and gyms being closed since March, I’m pretty detrained, but the fact that I’m seeing such good progress already after doing Cavaliere’s programs for 2 whole years (and working my ass off at them) makes me think they’re complete shit.
Facepulls twice in this particular video? Well done, sir!
Seemed fitting given the subject matter.
Keep up the hard work new video every day or two!
Feel like I've reached a breakthrough! It's very motivating!
@@GVS yea it's expected since the amount of hard work you put in!
I am new and it really doesn’t matter to me whether weights are fake or not. I can’t tell what they’re supposed to weigh just by looking at them, I would have to read the numbers. 🤷♂️
I bet Alan Roberts is pissed at Coach Greg now lol.
HAHAHAHA Who cares man
No doubt.
A 115 Kg bench is no joke actually. It's sad that there's so much fake content on the internet making people believe that 115 kilos is a light weight or something. The max I've reached on the bench is 100 Kg for 3 reps and it felt like I was being crushed to death even though I was strong enough to do it without assistance. That day humbled me and proved how skewed the perspective of people about heavy weights actually are. Honestly, if you can move your own or a bit more than your own bodyweight in compound lifts, you are strong; stronger than quite a bit of the general population!
Yes, perspective is everything!
My problem with him using fake weights is it’s false advertising, programming someone to get to a 500 deadlift takes a ton of knowledge and experience. If your faking lifts like that it calls in to question everything you present as a proper method for achieving strength.
Yes, how can anyone trust his word again? And the longer he is silent, the more his integrity degrades.
And he did it many times over the years, not on 500lbs deadlift, but other lifts.
Hi Geoffrey my name is Jon, I just discovered your channel, I enjoy your insightful discussions immensely!
Glad to hear that!
The longer Jeff delays an apology, the less likely he will recover from this scandal. Personally, I think it might already be too late since he made that dumbass post going after Doucette.
I'm not sure, actually. These things tend to blow over...people IN the industry won't forget. But those out of it? The Curlean-X video has ~100k views...Jeff has 10 MILLION subs. That's just 1% of his subs, meaning that there's just no way that any kind of meaningful amount of his subscriber base has seen it. There are other videos, and the Greg thing is gonna get a LOT of exposure, but honestly...he'll be fine. He's a millionaire. He'll still get millions of views.
I still get people defending him on EVERY post I make on any platform that mentions it.
@@GVS Perhaps I'm misreading the fitness industry. It could be that the vast majority aren't so influenced by the sceptic channels.
@@trevbarlow9719 Yes, they have only watched Jeff and thus only trust him. He appeals to the mainstream VERY well. So they probably won't even ever see the video. I'm betting he'll hunker down and wait, or maybe make a parody with a 10 plate bench or something.
@@GVS Judging by some of Jeff's videos, he appears to have a large Indian and middle eastern following. It could be that many or most of his subs come from either countries which are non-English speaking, and are less likely to scope out critiques of the guy. BTW, him first coming clean *then* doing a massive 10 plate lift parody would be a way back into our hearts.
Gregg said that he didn't care if he was only using them to show proper form, once some one pointed out to him that he was also claiming to be able to lift for fake weight gregg changed his opinion
Yes, I've seen that. Makes sense.
Jeff replied to Greg addressing the fake natty issue , but he didn't said anything about fake weights .He should open a gym now.😂
I saw that. I popped some popcorn. This honestly beats any TV show on.
@@GVS it has begun my friend , the greatest revolution in yt fitness , this is the time to get together and fight for what's right and true
@@roymustang.595 together! together we stand and fight for truth and justice! (OK enough of that)
Very high quality videos! Keep going
Appreciate that!
By the time I'm writing this comment I have like 1 year experience in lifting weights, so basically a newbie. I remember I used to follow Jeff's channel and it seemed legit, until I got to this whole fake weights affair. I wasn't a subscriber, but just watched some of his videos now and then showing form. After this scandal, for me Jeff has lost all credibility. Logic being, since I'm not knowledgeable about those subjects, how can I know when he's right and when he's lying? I'm just following other channels now (mainly Sean N).
Also, I remember that I actually tried some of his controversial indications in the gym and it seemed really bad and borderline dangerous (especially breathing out before squatting with heavy weights). It felt so uncomfortable and unsafe that I was confused and looked for other sources of info, so this is how I found the whole fake weights scandal and everything.
One of the best natural bodybuilder
Seeing you workout on the background is very entertaining! 😆
Oh cool. Yea I don't like just talking to the camera, kinda boring. Better to show lifting as well.
Dude wheres your gym? I love it!
Nanshan, Shenzhen, China. Near daxin metro, about a 5min walk.
@@GVS Amazing, I love Shenzhen, did a quick tour inbetween flights! Stay safe bro
Just stumbled on your channel. I like your stuff keep it up. Subbed!
Welcome!
Frankly, out of pretty much everyone that voiced something on this whole debacle you've been the only one that I've felt made the best presentations on the fake weight, bad advices, etc. stuff.
Scott's been pretty laid back, Doucette's just like Keemstar, PBF, EDDF and others just seem to go for the 'drama' path, fun to watch but not useful or uplifting in anyway at the end of the day.
Damn shame that almost everyone seems to want to capitalize the views instead of the few that are really interested in making YT fitness a better place
They are a lot bigger than me. They've been around a lot longer. They don't want any beef with big channels, and they probably have a lot of subscriber overlap with Jeff's sheep-like following.
I personally do not care. I have less to lose and thus prefer to simply share my thoughts. Doucette did a 180, by the way. Check his recent videos. Gained a lot of respect for him.
@@GVS yeah, checked that vid, kind of funny that happened almost at the same time keemstar made an apology video (completely unrelated though) but I rather check on Mike Israetel than Doucette, some time ago they did have a discussion meditated by Omar, interesting discussion although a bit weird.
@@bloodycrow01 Yes I saw it. Both kinda appeared petty. Good publicity, though. I think both had some good points, but Mike kinda "won".
@@GVS Ahhh, were you also left with the impression that Mike kinda tried (would say he was successful to a certain degree) to rip Doucette apart? Although at the expense of looking kind of a dick,
Recall that the comment section on that vid was fun to read up but so convoluted
No one could have said it better!!! Perfect
Thanks!
@@GVS BTW finally Greg doucette has opened up and has made a video bashing athlean x. He goes on to say now I think jeff is not natural. If he can lie about the weight he can lie about his natural status
ua-cam.com/video/5hI8kb7I4Ds/v-deo.html
Pressure not an excuse. Just the universes way of testing ones character.
. . . good points, well presented, and totally true !
Thanks!
Greg Doucette managed to sit down long enough to watch Curlean-X
He must have a decent attention span, if he researches his videos for hours. He just gets hyped for his own videos.
So, in order to be a fitness influencer you have to choose between fake weights or steroids. Or both.
Not necessarily. But both are very common.
There ARE people who have millions of subs who are great-Jeff Nippard and Jeremy Ethier come to mind. They don't take steroids, nor do they use fake weights, they just have excellent information, production value and physiques.
Great vid again dude.
Thanks!
You touched on it, but plain and simple he did it for $. He makes huge bank on YT, I'm interested to see if he'll address it because the issue is everywhere. Ironically he's probably seen an uptick in views with all the controversy. Thanks for your content, I started following you on Quora.
Yes, this actually short term helps him. Long term...who knows. He'll probably weasel out of it.
Funny that you mentioned that Athlean Anabolix program. Just found out that his "intensity" technique to create strength and muscle in that program is called Triple X Set. I believe you talked about it in one of your videos, but it gets crazier than what you thought lol.
Basically, you get 90% of 1RM and with a timer, or phone in front of you, you start it and do 3 reps. When you're done, look at the timer and rest till it gets to 30 seconds, then do another 3 reps until it hits 60 seconds, and so forth until you can only do one rep. Again, it's 3 reps every 30 second and whatever time you have left after you finish is your rest time till it hits another 30 seconds. That is ONE Triple X set.
Yes, so I've heard. Just a silly protocol, for many people 90% IS their 3 rep max...once!
Whoever wrote that clearly doesn't know DICK about programming, strength training, or...anything, really. That fact that THE BIGGEST UA-camR is writing shit like that and people are paying for it because they think he used that to develop his fake fucking strength really pisses me off. It's dogshit.
@@GVS Yup that type of shit programming can get you hurt. The irony I'd say, but people still say that the programs work, but work in what? In getting lean? Because that works with any program as long as you adhere to it and are disciplined with nutrition. However, most of these people already spent money on his programs which makes them be attached to them.
@@GVS I don't think Jeff understands what a rep max is. He has you in one video doing a 5RM, 10RM and 25RM IN THE SAME WORKOUT. You can't max out mutiple times in the same workout, that defeats the whole purpose and goes against the definiton of a max.
@@joebloggs6922 he's probably never maxed...
That is just one of the ridiculous protocols. Athlean NXT has a high level of fitness quackery that it seems like it came out of a comic book. Decay sets, doubling sets, ascending ISO sets, "3rd-degree burn workouts", productive rep overload, MP30 sets, MT60 sets, and MM90 sets. His Athlean Breakout program has new protocols called plyo eccentrics and forced eccentrics. I search all of these on the internet and got nothing. No reprints, research papers or scientific literature of any kind.
I honestly was disappointed when I found out about the fake weights on Jeff’s deadlift maybe even dumbfounded and would never condone it however ATHLEAN X is number 1 for good reason - s and not a stroke of luck
Keep it up!
Thanks for the support :)
I agree w your points. He did feel pressure
I think a lot of people feel it. Sad that he did what he did.
I don’t even know or care about my max. I only know the heaviest weight I can lift for my usual reps.
That's a pretty good strategy, actually.
He's a bodybuilder, he cares mainly how he looks. He will never be as strong as a powerlifter, but that's fine bcz he's a bbd
Does not excuse fake weights. He should also not call himself a "strength coach" in every video.
Just out of curiosity, which programs did you check out of his? 😂😬
I don't know the exact names, I got sent bits and pieces. Some sounded hilariously bad. Like...do a set of 3 with 90%, and keep doing that every 30 seconds (not 30 seconds rest, ON the 30 seconds, so :30, 1:00, 1:30, 2:00, 2:30, the set time is still counted!) until you die. Ridiculous protocol.
Needless to say, I have not purchased one of his programs. They're more expensive than MY custom ones!
@@GVS Lol me neither 😂... I kinda lost respect for him knowing he used fake plates but yeah I'll continue watching his channel but won't ever believe a word he says rather I'll cross-check everything and confirm for myself🤷🏻♂️
There was one workout he recommended in a UA-cam video called “How many reps to build muscle (BODYWEIGHT EXERCISES)”, which struck me as pretty excessive, having given it a go.
Basically, it consists of taking the bodyweight exercise of your choice and doing one set to failure. You then take the number of reps you managed, and multiply it by somewhere between 3 (basic) and 10 (extreme), which is your target for the workout. You try to reach that number in as few sets as possible, with a maximum of 90 seconds rest between sets. I tried it with pullups, which I’m pretty decent at (I can do 20 on a good day), but even getting to the 3x was a struggle, since going to failure on the first set had left me pretty shot, and I needed far more than 90 seconds rest. Doing a workout of 200 pullups total would have taken me all day.
At the time, I wanted to try it, since I trusted that Jeff knew what he was talking about, but now I’m a lot more sceptical. Would be interested in your opinion, Geoff.
@@KorKhan89 if you really go to failure that's tough, yea. 600 pushups, here I come!
Tbh I hate his guts..... He even hates the concept of plank
Nothing wrong with planks!
I'm with you on this! Kudos to you for speaking up!
I highly regard your opinions on weightlifting. Got to know you over on Quora from quite your beginning there.
Just bought your book a week ago and I must say, it's one of the best out there.
Keep up your good work!
Greetings from Switzerland
Andreia Smith (Quora)
Awesome, enjoy the book and I appreciate your support!
2:13 "I don't know why the X is there. Does anyone know why the X is there?"
I got curious. Short answer: “X-Factor.”
Long answer: 'As for the “X”. Again, for those who know Cavaliere or have been fortunate enough to be trained by him, you just know that his workouts and creativity bring that “extra something” to the table that other programs and trainers fall short in delivering. This truly is his fitness “X-Factor”. It’s his innate ability to be able to reach deep down into his clients will…to turn off the impulse to say “I quit” and instead turn on the desire to say “I Can”.' Yadda yadda yadda.
athleanx.com/about-the-program
Well there you go. Thanks for doing the research!
EXACTLY 🙏 already subscribed
Welcome!
Good video. I think you go a little bit too hard on the Fitness industry though. Not everyone is crap from the top videos. For example, I really like the videos of Scott Herman and his videos are usually the first to be listed for most exercises. Also there are many other good channels out there you just gotta have some awareness to pick the information that's worth to listen for.
That's the trouble, without a fair amount of knowledge it's REALLY hard for people to tell who is legit or just using their abs and talking big to get at their wallet. I can always tell. But I couldn't always...always tell.
Biggest bench I ever did was 120 kilos. Probably much less now. I don't even care how much I lift anymore. The most important thing is keeping fit and healthy. Take V-shred as an example. He's a complete idiot, gives horrendous advice but has a ton of subs/followers! Just because he's lean and has abs. 🤦♂️
Yup. It can be discouraging seeing content like that thrive.
Pressure of making more and more money, period.
More money, more problems.
To be fair, 115 kg is not bad number tho
It's OK. Just far below the "male fitness person" standard.
Look those fucking arms man and shoulders too
did everyone there get over the corona now?
Everything seems pretty stable. Though the official numbers are obviously way off (as they are in every country) life is basically back to normal+facemasks mode.
The "X" stands for the X shape muscle that your back has to have. Like what jeff has
Ah, that could be it. Though that's usually V shape, X shape requires legs and I'm not sure if he has those.
@@GVS nah i dont think its the legs man, jeff is so ripped that his back muscles form an X
@@legenwait-for-itdary9524 I'm just saying that in bodybuilding terms, an "X-frame" is typically big quads as well as wide lats.
I dont buy anything over the internet not from anybody.No not even Jeff.
Not even....Jeff Bezos?
I love how you use kilos
His programs are there on torrents, and not gonna lie, they are kind of bag of mix, some ideas are good some are downright horrible and some are just not effective. He is good at naming shit though, that might explain "X" haha
Come on, 40+ under 180 pounds, he would be lucky to lift twice his body weight with 8-10% body fat levels. Even if he took TRT, it would be not easy to pull that off.
No doubt. Can get anything on torrents.
And yes, when you are shredded, as a natural, you get weak. Like...really weak. To be shredded ALL YEAR...I think it's likely he's on TRT yes. And ALSO fake weights, lol. So he actually probably did both.
My favorite part in your vid at 9:15.. 😆.. 💪🏻
Geoff, i noticed that no one in your gym wear masks and apparently no safe distancing in place too. Here in Singapore, gyms are still closed. In your opinion, what precaution should one take when returning back to the gym since there is still a risk of virus? I would like to go back to the gym as soon as it is opened but am also worried about putting my family members at risk. Thanks in advice for your advice.
If you live with someone at risk (~70+ or with respiratory issue) I'd consider not going at all, if there are still local cases. Otherwise, no problem in going. Just wash your hands a lot. But yes...SZ is basically back to normal.
@@GVS thanks dude!
Like you, i hate bw exercises and really hope to get back into the gym. Might try to go in those unearthly hours to avoid the peak hours crowd.
@@nicklee9575 Yea I didn't mind them for a few weeks, but after that...just boring.
You just named a HUGE fact that people dont seem to recognize. Many people, especially in the fitness business are plain stupid. What hurts me the most is that some of them are educated. I just cant understand why. jeff claims to have studied all those things he mentioned and out of the blue deadlifts with a round back, makes a program squatting 10 reps for 10 sets at 70% to 80% max and then curls 60kg as if he can curl as much as ct fletcher. but honestly, speaking as an upcoming pro powerlifter, how much you lift doesnt show 'fitness', it shows strength. i have to admit, after a 5 year experience in powerlifting, fitness is not for everyone, strength is not for everyone, and looking good is not for everyone. i firmly believe, jeff does not have any fitness crediblity other than his followers and subscribers. no coach with common sense can make such stupid programs. fitness is indeed a way of life. exercise keeps people young but it does within a horrible way; you just have to sweat. im telling you, some people just dont want to sweat. a proper fitness gym shouldnt have air conditioning, because exercise is not a luxury. the term 'functional' is what ecourages people to work out nowadays, not exercise its self. good, smart and wisely chosen vocabulary is what wins, not the actual product.
Well said.
"i firmly believe, jeff does not have any fitness crediblity other than his followers and subscribers. no coach with common sense can make such stupid programs"
100% agree. He's betrayed his utter lack of strength training many times, and yet people still act like he's a "guru", probably because that's what he markets himself as.
Hey Geoffrey
The one thing about this im having a hard time getting, is how do any of you guys KNOW its fake weights? I went ahead and tried max deadlifting for the first time last week just to see where i was, and i did 210kgs(462lbs) and i dont do weight lifting (gymnast tho). So why wouldnt Jeff, a fitness pro be able to do 15kgs more than me? We are approx same height and weight. I just dont get it.
Would love to hear any thoughts on this, because quite frankly I dont find 495lbs to be that impressive when I can nearly do it
ua-cam.com/video/VDWoHOaupcc/v-deo.html
That should clear that question up.
@@GVS okay, a bit more sold to the idea that they are fake. but it still doesnt make any sense to me, why the deadlift in particular is so controversial. Is 495lbs really that impressive? Why shouldnt he be able to do it, when i nearly can?
Thx for the reply btw, appreciated.
@@johanlilja3292 because you have a gift, my son. (Really, that's very good weight untrained)
@@johanlilja3292 "Is 495lbs really that impressive?" Never. The need to fake any of his videos never existed. This is yet another internet witch hunt. The stupid is out in force once again. Don't get sucked in.
@@Steven-ze2zk This is another result of the coronavirus keeping us inside all day. Cabin fever has made us nuts.
Vshred posted a new video and guess what the guy has matured ..I'm look into his eyes
V-shred...is one of those people shit on but isn't THAT bad. I mean, he's been wrong, and it's mostly marketing, but there's far worse.
Lean, natty, strong. You can only be 2 of those at once
You mean if you are natty you can only be lean or strong but not both
@@aumurphy That's exactly what I said lol
@@adriandragomir106 no. You listed three and said you can be two. That means you can be lean and strong.
@@aumurphy yeah in which case you're not natty
@@aumurphy in which case you're not natty
How long have you been training
About 6 years with weights, and 10 years before that running.
lol SPEECH level 100 is easy just keep selling the potions you make for which you collect ingredients from the nature. You get your ALCHEMY 100 too.
#lifehack
Hi Geoffrey, listen even if I agree with you on the fake weights, i don't really agree on you attacking him for his knowledge, i am also a personal trainer and i check a lots of other youtubers but i think his content is a bit more superior, so if you want to go after him for the fake weights am with you but don't act like the he doesn't know what his doing .i haven't checked his program but i do use some of his exercises even on my clients and have worked very effectively .
Much of it is good. But don't act like it's 100% good. He's told people to breathe out before squats. If you're a personal trainer you know that's really, really bad advice, right? And it can easily get someone hurt, right?
@@GVS Thank you for your reply, haven't seen that video but if he did yea that is bad, maybe it not 100% all good but you acted like his just a really bad influencer and put him in that bad part of UA-cam that gives bad advice, you tried to make it seem like it just a 6 pack and that not it , Jeff Cavaliere MSPT, CSCS served as both the Head Physical Therapist and Assistant Strength Coach for the New York Mets during the National League East Championship 2006, 2007 and 2008, if you are a personal trainer you would agree that's a dream job for any personal trainer and you can't get a job like that just having a 6 pack .
I would really appreciate if you would respond at what i said about Jeff , i would like to your thought on this , Thanks.
@@littlemee1831 TONS of sports PTs and other trainers get jobs just because of who they know, actually. Just because someone has worked with professional teams doesn't mean they are competent when it comes to strength training. Credentials also mean very little, I've seem people with TONS of letters after their name who didn't know shit! Again, look at what he SAYS. Recommending 10x10 on squats with 70-80% 1RM with 1 minute rest? It's blatantly horrible advice, and he's done this a lot. Watch him for entertainment or abs, but not for strength training. PT is also fine, but get a second opinion on whatever he says, don't take his word as gospel or you risk becoming a sheep.
@@GVS Thanks for the reply , i do respect your opinion but i have another, don't worry am not following everything his saying for example i dont think he is the best nutritionist out there and him as other youtubers have flaws , but i just think hi has less than others .
Hey man what country are you in?
China
Glad to see you taking a page outta Dr Greg's playbook by calling viewers stupid 🤣🤣
Not MY viewers! And surely not my SUBSCRIBERS!
Jeff is a liar , f dat
Yes. Proven. It's sad.
check out the "Pumpchasers" review.
The X is for... Xtrong?
X-wing fighter
Are you somewhere in Asia?
Shenzhen, China
Why do you think Athlean X has millions of followers despite giving out bad workout advice? Are people really that foolish?
In a word, yes. He has occasionally decent advice, he runs ads, he has abs, he's very confident and glib, he has a private gym with great lighting and, well...fake plates. And, most importantly...he was EARLY. He's been at this a decade+. Sometimes being EARLY is important...he's reinvested his financial gains into ads (you've probably seen them) and used clickbait overhyped BS since day one.
He was at the right place, at the right time... that's it.
Do you remember "sixpackshortcuts"?? There were tons of "OG" fitness channels back then, with not much competition, and tons of followers...
The guy got lucky, that's it. He was just smarter than the other ones, and got his connection in professional sport that gave him (false) credibility.
He had the face and the body. He would NEVER have 10M today if he was called out for his BS videos 6-8 years ago.
But at the time, there was no discussion about "fake weights", it was relatively new on youtube. Serious lifters didn't have a big following, or even a presence on youtube.
Nice video. In China? or Taiwan?
Shenzhen, China
I feel like you kinda just have to use discernment because you can tell some things are bs and not to take anyone's info 100 percent of the time the same way when you do research for a paper in college you don't cite just one source primarily so you kinda have to learn to sift through what's good and what's not and draw conclusions. Jeffs videos didn't apply much to me after I began weight training because i searched and found other programs and learned a little on programming for strength training and some excercises didn't make sense for me to do since it didn't seem applicable to my goals so gradually just didn't watch his stuff for some years.
Multiple sources are definitely a necessity, yes.
And Greg just called him out just hours before u posted this
After I started to upload this one actually, haha. Saw it on my feed and was like....shit...already recorded it. I was confused at his original stance, and his new video clears things up, seems a lot more like himself.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield well to be fair it was a QnA video, where sometimes he just answer a straight to the point question with straight to the point answers
X as is : x man, project x, x factor.. x is cool for a while. Dont know where ot came frome, but its a thing.
Remember there was a movie "triple X" a few years ago. Different times, I guess.
@@GVS lol its the same x but when a few of the get together they get funky
@@shinpaws1014 one x is cool, a few is porn.
@@GVS ill keep that in mind next time i pick a movie for me n my girl ; )
LOL I lost it at the X part
Yeah that’s exactly what I think too. Marketing baby, sex sells.
Yup, that, as well as drama...
The gym you’ve been training at in your latest videos looks so weird. Is it like in the middle of a mall or something? Lol, never seen anything like it.
Been here two months hahaha. It's half indoor half outdoor. Definitely rare.
Kinda awesome to train with a (what I’m guessing is) skyscraper in the background doe
@@unomacaron1076 yea, except when it gets super windy. Or rainy. And the barbells rust. But...it's pretty good, yea.
You know? I first got into fitness because of Jeff Cavaliere, and I love his videos. Used to think he told the truth always, but I realize he's not as honest as I thought. However, I must recognise that Jeff is good at getting you abs. Specially when it comes to working out at home, which is what I do, so, I won't hate on him, will keep to watch his videos every now and then, but I'll certainly start watching your channel more, and Jeff Nippard's. Fuck Jeff Seid btw 😂
Yea Seid is total trash. Cavaliere is mixed. Definitely at least some good content there.
@@GVS Funny thing is, I'm the dude that commented on one of your IG posts over one or two months ago. You called me a fanboy 😂. But yeah, kinda was.