Penn Slammer 5600 Live Liner worst reel to service or repair ever
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- This video shows how to that the Penn Slammer 5600L apart and service. It has a detailed explanation of how the bait feeder trip mechanism is assembled. It is a nightmare to figure out if the springs have shot out during disassembly and you are trying to reassemble it.
I have been servicing fishing reels for over 20 years and am sharing my experiences here. If you enjoy the video, please like it and subscribe.
Questions? Comments? I reply to all.
Thank you for viewing - Dennis
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Hi Dennis,
Watched this video and it gave me the courage to take apart my Penn 4600l. My reel did not automatically go from live liner to drag mode. The problem - no mechanism to disengage live lining. Almost left it as is and manually changed modes. But the engineer in me would not let it be. Bought the parts and took apart "the beast." It was tricky but putting the piece "trip arm" (for tauto-ripping the eccentric) first and then getting the eccentric spring (very frustrating) in position with the eccentric in the hole of the housing cover, made the eccentric-eccentric spring- and trip arm-housing cover assembly "stable." With that in a stable setting, I attached the trip arm spring to the eccentric. I have not found a good video on youtube for this and am not ready to take mine apart to make one. I ended up with the sequence described by trial and error, mostly error. Anyway, I thought I would share. I do not plan fro to it again. That part makes this reel, and the 460l, 560l and 5600l, A rea.l reel challenge to service because if the stable assembly of cover to trip arm comes apart during service, one will need enormous patience and perseverance.
Thanks for all your videos. I am a self-proclaimed, but now fairly experienced, personal reel servicer. As you said somewhere in one of your videos, if you find a reel you like stick with it. BUT as you also said, one will end up with several more than one of the given reel. My corollary is if you change your favorite reel multiple times, as I have, you end up with a lot of reels!
Thanks again.
Tom
This one also gives Dennis a job! The drag is down and has parts that spoil easy! The worst is when the plastic that holds the brake discs gets dry!
Dennis thanks for teaching me to work on my fishing reel I learned a lot even though bought I don’t have the tools I worked on my sportfisher 5100 reel and I took it apart and it was because of you thanks again.
You are welcome. Thank you for the kind words and for watching - Dennis
I wouldn’t have one of these reels! It is unbelievably complicated. This one really showed your skill and patience!
There is a reason most service shops don't work on bait feeder reels!
2nd Chance Tackle I totally understand.
Thanks for posting this one! Just picked up a "bag lot" of gear that included one of these reels. I remembered you had a video of this one that you really didn't like, and now I know why! The one I picked up seems to be working as it should, but needs some cleaning. See what I get into tomorrow when I take it apart. I'm planning on using a large clear garbage bag... I see what you mean about the LiveLiner drag having little to no effect. On this one I picked up, fully loose rear drag to fully on, there is very little difference in the drag amount applied. With maximum drag applied through the liveliner, there is only 1 or 2 pounds of drag. I wonder what it is supposed to be? Now I've taken it all apart, cleaned it up and put it all back together. The liveliner drag is only slightly stronger, so now maybe 2-3 pounds. The way I see it, it isn't supposed to be much drag anyway, just enough to hold the bait in place against some current. It might be enough now to do that but only just barely.
Thanks - I am not sure on the max drag for the rear. It is not supposed to lock down the reel, like the top drag. It is just varying degrees of tension to control the line out - Dennis
Once again the benefits of your experience will make other lives easier. I will continue a much happier life without ever owning or working on a bait feeder. Now, I wonder if Tackle Advisors has ever torn down and reassembled a bait feeder.
Thanks Chris. The bait feeders have their place and when they are working, they provide an advantage to live lining and chunk drift fishing. The two drag system does add a level of complexity and when they break, they are indeed a nightmare to fix - best wishes - Dennis
Way to stick with it Dennis. Merry Christmas and thanks for all the info this year.
Merry Christmas Brad (thanks for the card too!). Best wishes for a great New Year - Dennis
This reel has one of those oh darn pieces you always tell us about lol had a similar situation when I took the spring clip off the drag stack it got caught in my mother's lace curtains found it a year later now I hold my finger there matter how easy it looks to remove
Lessons learned and yes, the parts usually show up somewhere later. I've found few I don't remember losing, so they have laid low for some time!
Hi Dennis,
Thanks to your vid I was able to install this trip Lever and tiny spring to a 5600L which must of been an earlier version cause it didn’t have one installed. Just a manual flip. It wasn’t terrible however I handled it like a brain surgeon lol. Definitely have to be careful working on these reels. Thanks again for the great vid !
Glad it helped and thanks for watching - please stay tuned for more to come - Dennis
I feel your pain with that spring Dennis the first time I worked on one I popped the top off and off it went.(About the same time my forehead started to sweat)After probably about 30mins I finally find it then it took me another 30-45mins to put it back in.
I always like to think how they put them together in the factory and how the factory floor must be littered with the springs that shot out! Thanks Shannon - Dennis
I've found that the threads in the plastic knob tend to fill up with corrosion and make adjustment of the bait runner drag difficult or limit the range of adjustment. In the video you didn't clean that out and it may have been the problem. Whe you take the rear drag apart, screw the metal insert out of the knob and clean it well. It may take some penetrating oil and some back and forth to work it out. Then put a coat of grease on the threads before reassembling to keep it from happening again.
It's worth a try. Thanks for the tip - Dennis
Ill second the knob stiffning up
I found always leave the reel level after washing so water drains out
You very good I have the bigger reel off this tipe 760 slammer live liner hard reels to work on lots off parts 😊
They. are more difficult than most. Thanks
It's me again. This time it's a 560LL for another friend. I am not the first to open this one. Somebody apparently replaced the main gear with one for a regular spinner which does not have the posts for the trip gizmo. I think will have to say "I tried." Do you care to work on another one?
I can. Please send me a note to 2ndchancetackle@gmail.com - Dennis
Stretch the spring on the bottom drag my friend 😊
If anyone is wondering what the difference is between marine grease and mechanical grease is that there is no lead in marine grease. Salt reacts with lead.
I haven't done one on the 349, but you can follow the one on the Senator 6/0 here ua-cam.com/video/6XTchxCg8Mw/v-deo.html The 349 reel with the single free spool eccentric is essentially the 6/0 Senator with a narrow frame. I will add the 349 to my request list and do a video the next time one is in the shop. Thank you for asking - Dennis
What do you think of the 460L live liner? I have one and enjoy it but need to know more from a pro!
I do not like the bait feeder setup in the Slammer reels. The Fierce LL is a much simpler design from a service standpoint. Both are good reels, but the Slammer is much more difficult to service - Dennis
I dont think any reel manufacturer has made an efficient bait runner reel. Thanks for the tips! Happy New Year Dennis
Some are easier than others, but they can get complicated. I don't like the Penn designs. Shimano and Okuma are better, but they are not simple. These are Frankinreels where you have two drag systems and an override to let one or the other work. Great idea, but poor execution by many of the manufacturers. The more features, the more things to break, and break they do!
Thanks
Dennis
Damn I got this reel, and it’s my lucky reel...this reel always catches, even if nobody is catching, but this reel will always at least pull out one keeper, also got a lot of my pb’s.
It's a nice reel, just a terror to work on the bait feeder mechanism - Best wishes - Dennis
Never had a baitrunner reel completely lock down drag in baitrunner mode. Might as well just use the front drag if you want it locked down.
The reels I have see in lockdown mode usually involved a broken part due to over tightening the rear drag. You are correct, they are not full lock down. Why would they be if the purpose is to let line out? Thanks - Dennis
Dennis, is the Liveliner feature (bait feeder mode) supposed to disengage when you crank the reel handle? I have a 4600L where the liveliner feature works; however, it will not disengage when I crank the handle. I have to manually reset it. As you know, I have a Shimano Baitrunner that is about 30 years old and works like a charm. Your answer is greatly appreciated.
Yes - the The Penn Reel should perform the same as your Shimano. Flip the switch to go into LL mode and crank the handle to reset the to top drag operation - Something is amiss inside if you have to reset this one manually. Possibly a broken spring - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle Dennis, I'm going to give Penn a chance to fix or replace it. It's a shame that my 30 year old BaitRunner holds up better than my 15 year old LiveLiner. If Penn can't help me, I'll check in with you. I know these reels can be a hassle to work on. Thank you for your response. Always appreciate your in depth knowledge and experience. Steve
Check out the older Shimano baitrunner they're a nightmare
I don't think so. I don't like the post clips that hold the axle shaft on but the rest of the reel is straight forward. That's just my opinion. Thanks for the note - Dennis
Tsg reel service does a complete tear down on these reels 760 slammer live liner
Thanks
Thank you for showing us a reel to avoid! lol
Yeah. These are not easy to service! I did this one to show how to rest the springs, because there is no one out there that can tell you how to do it, including Penn service techs who won't return calls - Thanks - Dennis
Hey Dennis do you offer used parts for sale? I'm looking for a spool tension knob for my pinnacle lp100 bait caster. Thx for your videos was able to get my abu Garcia ambassadeur working again with your help. Thx for your time
Wesley - you are out of luck on anything Pinnacle regarding parts. These reels were job lots made by other manufacturers. No parts were stocked and there is no contact information for the Pinnacle company. You were told to take it back to the retailer that sold it to you for an exchange if it was broken during the warranty period.
If you need a part, you can check EBAY or look for a salvage parts reel. Sorry - Dennis
Spinfisher 8500 live liner or 9500 standard is better to buy plz reply.
Depends what you are fishing for and how you fish. If you are live lining or drifting chunks, then the bait feeder may be better. I prefer the standard. Less moving parts is a better formula for less things to break. - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle thank you.
As fate would have it I have to work on a Spinfisher V 4500LL for a friend. It needs a new main gear because of stripped threads. I cannot get the halves of the live liner switch apart so that I can pull off the side plate. There is a tiny screw that is seized tight. Got any suggestions?
That is going to be problematic Chris. Is it the top screw or the bottom one on the trip lever?
I would soak both with a penetrating oil like WD40 or Liquid wrench and let it sit for 10-15 minutes before attempting again. You have a better chance with the top screw than the bottom one because the top goes into plastic, but the bottom one goes into the metal lever inside the reel.
If all else fails, you can clip or break the top off and then replace the affected parts after yogurt the case apart. The replacement parts are available at mystic-arts.com. Good Luck! I hope this helps - Dennis
It's the tiny top screw, not one that goes into the frame.. And, I have soaked it with Nuts Off for a day or so. I think I will try heating the screw head with a hot soldering iron along with a prayer. Overall, I have to say in general that the newer Chinese-made Penns have a lot of basic design flaws starting with fine threaded screws versus the older designs. I will follow up with a report on how things go.
Success with screw removal! Question: Should the live liner switch be up or down when the side plate comes off? I'm trying to minimize the risk of having a spring flying (inside a plastic bag.) I'd prefer to not have to figure out how to reset a friggin' mystery spring.
The best way is to keep the trip lever arm on the one side with the screw in securing that part of the assembly. The lever should be in the off position when you go to remove the case. - Dennis
My friend's Penn Live Liner has a happy ending lives to fish again thanks to you. Main gear replaced. No springs shot into the next dimension. The mechanism works. THE END
Can I send my reel to you to put back together??
yes - please contact me through my email 2ndchancetackle@gmail.com - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle ok thanks
I just can't see were the spring goes for the on and off switch h for the live lining
Watch the video at the 7:30 or so mark. I am not sure if that is the one you are referring to but it shows the one that is problematic
good looking parts inside, gust too many of them
Yup - not an easy project with all of those parts!