@@battlestarcollectica7106 One of the very few Bond girls who was expensive, especially for her work. Hardly cared much for her acting skills tho... but she was just a beauty to look at.
@@steveellis7174 The reason BG was cancelled, was when the execs asked for a show like Star Wars, they didn't know how much it was going to cost. This was a time when TV was still made on a shoestring.
Her death probably made the show better than if she had stayed the whole series. The show needed major tragedy and the fact that she was such a loved character all the more made her death show how high the stakes were and it made Apollo a much darker character.
It worked to give the show stakes, but it was really sad. She and Apollo had just got together, got married, and we thought they'd be raising Boxey between fighting the Cylons. Unfortunately, Boxey lost his mother.
For the last couple of years, I've been working with Jane Seymour on a TV show called "Harry Wild". Hard to believe that 40 years ago, I was a kid watching her on Battlestar Galactica.
Battlestar Galactica was the very first film my Dad took me to see in the 1978 Christmas holidays a month after I turned six (Star Wars was the second film I got to see).
@@tempest411 I live in New Zealand which is geographically remote and back then it took a long time for new movies to reach here also it could've still been showing a year afterwards given that it was very, VERY popular.
What I remember was BSG was shown in SensoRound. The technology for surround sound was coming, it was a third track of audio with deliberately overdone bass - we now call it subwoofer - for when things got blowy-uppy. It was actually pretty cool. Empire Strikes Back had it too. Big honkin Klipsch "W" bass horns lined up in front of the screen.
Wow! I never heard the whole story of Serina’s death before! Only that she was originally supposed to die but “they bought here back for another episode because people loved her”. Thanks for sharing the rest of the story. Another great episode analysis! Thank you!! Love these videos. There’s really no one else doing this with OBSG.
Serina had the best hair of any woman in the ragtag fleet. Her death certainly seemed unfair to Boxey, who had just lost his real parents, not to mention his pet, entire culture, and planet. I think her death was extremely detrimental to the character of Boxey from a writing perspective as it must have become very difficult afterwards to use the role which had been inserted to connect with kids, who were living comfortably at home watching TV with their very much alive parents and had not experienced despair or loss, as intended. Robin, from the 60's Batman show, had also experienced the off-screen loss of his parents just like Boxey, but imagine if Alfred had died on screen in front of Robin in the third or fourth episode. On the other hand, BSG always walked a thin line between apocalyptical space Mad Max dystopian survival and happy go lucky Buck Rogers future action fun.
I read Seymour was dissapointed her character wasn't more like the newswoman played by Jane Fonda in THE CHINA SYNDROME, which was how it was originally described to her. She also felt her best acting moments ended up being lost when the subplot about her illness was cut, which left her looking dewey-eyed in her scenes with Apollo, without the original explaination that she was secretly aware she was dying.
apart from disagreeing on her looks compared to Seymour Her acting was also the worst of all actors on the set, including that of a monkey playing a robot
When I was younger, I always wondered why John Fink, Paul McGann and Eddie Byrne got such high billing in BSG78, Alien 3, and Star Wars *respectively.* Then DVDs were invented and we got to watch the deleted scenes! The actors' work was finally revealed. When Serina's scenes were cut, Dr Payne's (John Fink's) went with them! "Launch When Ready!" 🚀
Where was McGann? I remember a very young Ed Begley Jr. and Brit Alex Hyde-White. Wait....I'm thinking now. Was McGann the young viper pilot shot down in Gun on Ice Planet Zero. They mostly give higher billing to speaking parts . Why am I asking you? I gotta look this up.
When serina died. It gave the audience the idea that anyone could die. It's was very bold for a series at that time. If the series was given the chance to develop as it should have, her death would've helped develop Apollo as a father and warrior.
Dumb is not knowing the difference between being contracted to a tv series then asking to leave, and agreeing to do limited role for the tv series that she had not originally signed up to do in the first place. Did you actually watch the video? There is a big difference between a 20-22 episode TV Series which if renewed means returning the following year, and 3 episode mini-series in terms of what is involved. She had done TV Series before, She had a role in The Onedin Line a successful British TV Series which she had left to do Live and Let Die. So she knew the rigours of weekly TV series shoots and didn't want to be involved with the week in week out shooting requirements.. The original Captain Janeway in Voyager, Geneviève Bujold quit after a day and half of shooting as she found it difficult to deal with the daily shoot requirements and the shows production team found she was struggling with the work. Not really till Dr Quinn in the 1990's that see her sign up for a recurring TV series role, her career does have TV roles but rarely as a week in, week out recurring character. Mainly either 1 off episodes or as a part time role such as she had in Smallville which recurs for a limited number of episodes. Whilst she is now in Harry Wild as full time recurring role, being an Irish TV Series as opposed to American then is only between 6-8 episodes per season, so not the same timescales for the shoot that a 20-22 TV Series would entail. Patrick Stewart is also well known for his initial lack of interest in taking the role of Jean Luc Picard in Star Trek: Next Generation, basically taking it because his agent said whilst was a 6 year contract the show wouldn't last.
@@battlestarcollectica7106 Yeah, women can be extremely stupid. Look at Tasha Yar demanding to leave Star Trek. The grass is always greener, though at least Jane had real talent and had a great career. Also, Women shit on SciFi and do not respect it, so there is that.
Over the years I had seen or heard several rumors about why Jane Seymour quit "Galactica," most of which did not make sense. Although this doesn't really delve much into her reasons why she did not want to commit to a series, I do have a suspicion about something, a theory based on at least one established fact. The narrator said that she was loved by all the actors on the set, which was likely, after all, Aquarian natures do have a demeanor like gravity...but the unspoken truth was none loved her more than Richard Hatch, who had a real-world crush on her (he admitted to that in an interview a few years before his death). I suspect that had to make for a very awkward situation for her, presuming she did not feel the same way. After all, how can one expect to act out a romantic relationship with another character when the actor of that character has a real-world thing for one...? Although she's never spoken of it, I would not be surprised if that had at least been a contributing factor to her decision to quit. Naturally, back in the '70s, there was no such thing as "MeToo" or special-victim advocacy to put Hatch on a leash, so the only way to escape his obsession was to sever ties with the series. I don't doubt that it didn't break her heart at the time; after all, she still considered herself a *British* star, not American; that would change later, after successes like "Somewhere In Time" and "East Of Eden" made it clear to her that her best outlets for success were *American* movies and TV shows.
You have given me something new to think about. I did not know that Richard Hatch had a thing for her. I always assumed that she wanted to be a movie star and that BSG would have gotten in the way of that. I would really love to interview and ask her!!
I just watched Hatch in his failure-to-launch career buster 'Party Line'. The way he chewed up the scenery makes me think he's a guy who wouldn't readily take no for an answer
Serina's death was a very powerful scene that benefited the show. The actress was never going to agree to being a recurring character anyway, so nothing was lost.
You’re right but it would have been interesting story wise if she had stayed. We also would not have gotten Sheba (who basically was Serena’s replacement) .
I recall watching a TV show a long time ago where they interviewed Jane Seymour or told about her. She mentioned that she faced difficulties landing jobs during that period because the studios thought she was too beautiful. They were all interested in her, but once they saw just how stunning she was…
@battlestarcollectica7106 I haven't really ran across anything that backs that story up, but I remember it because they were talking about BSG at the time. It's like the news story back then about the kid that killed him self because they canceled BSG it was only recently I seen somebody else remembered that story. (See The Minneapolis Star Minneapolis, Minnesota • Wed, Aug 29, 1979)
I still hurts me every time I watch her death scene. I really like Jane Seymour. I wish she would have stayed on the series. Richard Hatch and Jane Seymour had wonderful chemistry together.
Jane's performance was excellent, of course, but I think every time Noah appeared in a scene that is even subtly emotional (in any production), he really shined. I was impressed with him even as a kid. I believed everything he acted. The kid was a master -- as much as Henry Thomas in E.T. was. These kids were masters at ...uh...being kids. Thanks for this Collectica!
BSG really had some good talent! Just imagine if the show had been renewed. The actors were just starting to feel comfortable with their characters when the show got the axe. 😡
In the extended pilot Serina was diagnosed with radiation poisoning and only had a few weeks of life. This was filmed but then edited out. You may find it in You Tube
Jane Seymour was one of my favorite actresses. And l really liked her" Serina" character and was sad when she was killed off. I didn't think it ruined Battlestar Galactica. Didn't Ann Lockhart's mother June Lockhart. starred in another classic Sci fi show Lost in Space.🤔
@battlestarcollectica7106 But doesn't that make her a Hypocrite? If Jane had stayed on Battlestar Galactica the show might have lasted more than one season!!!!!!!!
She signed up for a mini-series. When It turned into a weekly series she didn't want to continue. So she was in the 3 hour pilot and the following 2 part Lost Planet of the Gods and left. The same thing happened with Fx supervisor John Dykstra, he signed on for a mini-series and didn't like that his TV fx were being shown on the Big Screen with the two pilot came out as a movie so universal whipped up their own fx studio with motion control equipment called Universal Hartland to do everything beginning with their, in production, 3d story 'The Gun on Ice Planet Zero.😊😊😊 At least that the way I remember it.
“Gravitas”?! That’s one way of putting it. Whatever you call it, Jane Seymour was worth every penny they could throw at her and more!!! 😉 Yes, Serbia’s death did give BSG78 a sense of stakes and heart the ultimately served it better in the long run. Especially making Apollo a single Dad raising his stepson relying on help from many of his Blue Squadron pilots.
They had a good number of beautiful actresses on the show and Jane stood out big time. though I need to see if I have this sifi mag (one of those companies that was around for a short time), there is an interview of Seymore claiming she was getting these deaths threats through phone calls and that made her quit (unless I'm thinking it wrong from another sifi rag?)
I think it hurt it. Instead we got Anne Lockhart as Sheba who became the replacement for Serina and she just wasn’t as good. However Universal could not afford to pay Seymore for the entire series which was already the most expensive TV show ever produced.
@@battlestarcollectica7106 While Maren Jensen (A sadly under-rated actress) was good as Athena I think that Jane Seymour would've made a good Athena too.
Were the Kaylons of the show Orville based on the Cylons? "ylon" is not a common suffix for words and both are races of robots who were once slaves and want to destroy humanity (Cylons ONLY wanted to destroy humanity but Kaylons wanted to destroy all biological life which of course INCLUDED humanity).
@@battlestarcollectica7106 I love that the Orville is part comedy and silly and corny on purpose but despite the comic relief and silliness it still has some very deep and important and thought provoking stories rivaling Star Trek in that area. The show was the perfect balance between serious stories and social issues and silly comedy. But I am almost certain that the "Kaylons" were his version of the "Cylons" because unlike ERS or ING (I am a Scrabble player so I have an idea which suffixes are more common) "Ylon" is a very rare suffix.
Another fun bit is Jane Seymour was offered the role of Admiral Cain in the reboot before Michelle Forbes was cast. Ironically that character would also die before the series was concluded.
@@battlestarcollectica7106 Ture i wish some one and do a fan cut of the three hour premiere (hint hint) and see what that would have been like. Specifically that Colonial Hymn that was filmed and where is was placed in the show. The third act does get a bit sloppy and forces the planet to explode in a very stuid way. I wonder if Sid Sheinberg had a hand in that. Make it more like a Star Wars ending.
I haven't heard the story of Killing Serina. I wasn't into the actors as much as the mecha. Honestly, I never liked killing off major characters. I like my fantasy to have happy endings. Real life is hard enough, my enjoyment in these shows is to escape reality. As I'm sure goes for most of us. But the thought occurs to me that if she stayed with BSG, there would have been a good chance it would have lasted longer. But alas...
@@battlestarcollectica7106 The sounds of executives cringing would have been defining. "Let's have her give up the warrior thing, put her in a stewardess outfit." "...and make her a waitress on the Rising Star". :)
Because being a regular in a scifi show is your last paycheck this side of infomercials. Especially one as bad as that. Sorry, we hated it growing up, we turned on Speed Racer or Star Trek reruns on UHF. The reboot is fantastic. I'm sorry but Lloyd Bridges' line "I'll bring her up to lightspeed even if I have to burn off half my fuel" was unwatchable
Sorry tha didn't t do it.. henry from mash when he was killed off that hit me hard.. and inwalking dead ep grandpa met grossum death i never could watch the show after that ..
I suppose the song that alien musical trio were singing "It's Love" was foreshadowing for Apollo _"It don't matter where you go. It don't matter what you do. There's something always after you... Its LOVE!"_ It had a sinister tone to it implying it may end badly and it certainly did for him.
Apollo lost his brother, his mom and then his wife. I suppose it was fitting to the fact that they were a hunted people. He was a sympathetic character because as a single father he was raising their next generation which gave him something to fight for.
The original 1978 comic adapted the scenes that implied she had been diagnosed, and was leaving Boxey to Apollo. I have the original novel -not read it in years. Media back then, based on the script before the final film edit. (Like the early scenes with Biggs in Star Wars, edited) This confused me, when I was 9 years! Yet, when the DVD and later Blu' were released, good to see the film sections, that "this" was the plan. Yes, I had a youth-crush (and later) for Jane S'. the ending of Planet of the Gods still hits had on viewing. I do not recall reading that she had this reaction, just that she didn't want to do a full TV series.
In the book her name was Lyra. The rays that the Cylons were using emitted a radiation that was harmful to humans and poisoned the food supply. Lyra was dying from radiation poisoning. She played the role sick. On blu rays in the outtakes you see how she originally played the character and you also see her go and die alone.
@@pskopsyke Later editions of the comic, new Art and dialogue was added to conform to the TV/Movie version -different to the original 1978 comic,...which I still have.
It’s funny because the comics adaptation followed the original story line and I remember being so confused as to why it was so different from what I watched on TV. Also, the drawings and color were just awful in the comic.
I have always believed that the loss of Jane Seymour's character DID hurt the series. First, the series was supposed to be about family as much as anything. Starbuck was supposed to be the womanizer. However, it always felt like the series had planned on Apollo being a 'family man' and with the death of Serina, it was like they really didn't know what to do with him and Boxey. There were some not so great attempts at love interests for Apollo, but they never worked, and there wasn't a lot for Boxey to do. Had Seymour stayed, they could have leaned more into the romance between the two and the family aspect. In addition, I think that her presence would have affected both the ratings, and influenced the powers that be in the network to keep the show on the air for at least another season. It wasn't a matter of the show being bad without her. It was GREAT... but she left a hole that they never fixed, and of course, the show would have been that much better with her.
I think Lost Planet of the Gods showed off her talents more so then the pilot. Would have been interesting to see how a married couple would have fit in every week.
@battlestarcollectica7106 Absolutely agree. I might not have appreciated it watching back then as a 10 year old, but I'd be very interested in seeing it nowadays. Funnily enough I actually watched Lost Planet Of The Gods just on Tuesday.
Ah well. An actor's careerist stratagems in the hopes of becoming a movie star are fascinating and ironic. In the end, she had to go back to television.
The irony is, Lost Planet of the Gods was a two part episode so Serina's death actually happens at the end of the third episode. Universal strikes again!
@@battlestarcollectica7106 my actual hope was that they would have atleast reprised the character, and they kind of did in Razor, but that's be speaking hypothetical with not even mentioning a daughter of Cain, Though the main girl in Razor could be seen as her deciple from a certain lense, but yet again if that was a thing they still cut that character off at the legs Maybe in new deleopments they may get around to her. Who knows.
Jane Seymour is still beautiful and has aged well but she was seriously hot in her prime.
Millions of us had crushes on her. Have you ever seen her in Sinbad & the Eye of the Tiger? Wow!!
@@battlestarcollectica7106 One of the very few Bond girls who was expensive, especially for her work. Hardly cared much for her acting skills tho... but she was just a beauty to look at.
@@battlestarcollectica7106 I hear that!
Maybe because she was Touched By An Angel!
She is a Beauty for the Ages. She is such a talented, beautiful actress. Always wishing her the Best
Thank you for calling her an actress and not an actor like how she was described in the video.
I’m with you! Thanks for watching!
What really killed Battlestar Galactica were the ABC suits.
You are right! But there may have been one other person…🤔
@@battlestarcollectica7106 Who's the other person?
@@steveellis7174 The reason BG was cancelled, was when the execs asked for a show like Star Wars, they didn't know how much it was going to cost. This was a time when TV was still made on a shoestring.
Sci-Fi is inherently expensive because of sets, costumes and special effects. Its gotta bring in lots of views to justify the cost.
@@needparalegal Yeah. The system in place at the time wasn't prepared to handle it.
yea i personally hated the fact that they killed off Serina. but then again i was 12 and had a huge crush on Jane Seymour so...
I as well! I cried like a baby when she died!
YOU TOO?!?
I hated it too that she was killed off.
Her death probably made the show better than if she had stayed the whole series. The show needed major tragedy and the fact that she was such a loved character all the more made her death show how high the stakes were and it made Apollo a much darker character.
My crush never went away. My crush on Lynda Carter ended when she started slandering Republicans and lying for Liberals.
I don’t think Serena’s death hurt the series. If anything, it gave it some additional gravitas.
I agree but it would have been nice to have had her!
It gave the series the impact of real consequences that important characters didn’t have plot armor.
It worked to give the show stakes, but it was really sad. She and Apollo had just got together, got married, and we thought they'd be raising Boxey between fighting the Cylons. Unfortunately, Boxey lost his mother.
Yes you need some tragic deaths to raise the seriousness level.
meh I think it was a money thing, it costs way too make and they were too strapped already.
For the last couple of years, I've been working with Jane Seymour on a TV show called "Harry Wild". Hard to believe that 40 years ago, I was a kid watching her on Battlestar Galactica.
Ok, that is cool! She has had an amazing career!
Tell her we said hi!
@@Zan_Jayna Will do!!!!
Battlestar Galactica was the very first film my Dad took me to see in the 1978 Christmas holidays a month after I turned six (Star Wars was the second film I got to see).
But Star wars came out the year before. How could you have seen it after?
@@tempest411 I live in New Zealand which is geographically remote and back then it took a long time for new movies to reach here also it could've still been showing a year afterwards given that it was very, VERY popular.
Nice! Thanks for sharing that great memory!
@@nicholasmaude6906 Yes, back in those days even UK releases of many Hollywood films would take 6 months to a year to cross the Atlantic.
What I remember was BSG was shown in SensoRound. The technology for surround sound was coming, it was a third track of audio with deliberately overdone bass - we now call it subwoofer - for when things got blowy-uppy. It was actually pretty cool. Empire Strikes Back had it too. Big honkin Klipsch "W" bass horns lined up in front of the screen.
Wow! I never heard the whole story of Serina’s death before! Only that she was originally supposed to die but “they bought here back for another episode because people loved her”. Thanks for sharing the rest of the story. Another great episode analysis! Thank you!! Love these videos. There’s really no one else doing this with OBSG.
You’re welcome! I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Serina had the best hair of any woman in the ragtag fleet. Her death certainly seemed unfair to Boxey, who had just lost his real parents, not to mention his pet, entire culture, and planet. I think her death was extremely detrimental to the character of Boxey from a writing perspective as it must have become very difficult afterwards to use the role which had been inserted to connect with kids, who were living comfortably at home watching TV with their very much alive parents and had not experienced despair or loss, as intended. Robin, from the 60's Batman show, had also experienced the off-screen loss of his parents just like Boxey, but imagine if Alfred had died on screen in front of Robin in the third or fourth episode. On the other hand, BSG always walked a thin line between apocalyptical space Mad Max dystopian survival and happy go lucky Buck Rogers future action fun.
You make some very good points. BSG really was a dark show!
They should have killed off Boxey instead
Loved Jane in this show and Somewhere in Time, Dr. Quinn. Wished she had stayed in BSG. I remember being crushed when she left.
I cried when she died! I had no idea that she could have been a series regular!
I read Seymour was dissapointed her character wasn't more like the newswoman played by Jane Fonda in THE CHINA SYNDROME, which was how it was originally described to her. She also felt her best acting moments ended up being lost when the subplot about her illness was cut, which left her looking dewey-eyed in her scenes with Apollo, without the original explaination that she was secretly aware she was dying.
I think that is why she was so mad! Her best stuff ended up cut!
Sheba, Anne Lockhart was way hotter. And thanks for giving us Maren Jensen as Athena.
When you’re right, you’re right! 👍😉
Totally agree. Sheba was soo hot.
I thought Jensen was hot, and wished they had more of her.
apart from disagreeing on her looks compared to Seymour
Her acting was also the worst of all actors on the set, including that of a monkey playing a robot
More technically, she died from a Cylon blaster wound.
Your right.
I have been lucky enough to meet her twice and she is a very nice lady.
Your lucky! I don’t think she does conventions and that would be the only way I could see her in person.
My parents were mad they killed her off. They would have never guessed she killed herself off.
It’s a common story when an actor decides to leave a series thinking that they are going to be a movie star. It rarely works!
@@battlestarcollectica7106she’s been in over 100 film and television productions, it’s not like she failed as an actress!!!
When I was younger, I always wondered why John Fink, Paul McGann and Eddie Byrne got such high billing in BSG78, Alien 3, and Star Wars *respectively.* Then DVDs were invented and we got to watch the deleted scenes! The actors' work was finally revealed. When Serina's scenes were cut, Dr Payne's (John Fink's) went with them!
"Launch When Ready!" 🚀
Thanks for that info!! I never noticed that!!
@@battlestarcollectica7106🤜🤛
Where was McGann? I remember a very young Ed Begley Jr. and Brit Alex Hyde-White. Wait....I'm thinking now. Was McGann the young viper pilot shot down in Gun on Ice Planet Zero. They mostly give higher billing to speaking parts .
Why am I asking you? I gotta look this up.
Nope. Allan Stock was Cadet Cree the pilot shot down.
McGann would have been 20ish in 78-79.
@@LesterManley-s9n You read the initial comment too quickly! 😉👍
What an absolute goddess that lady was and has been throughout her career!
You’re 100% right!!
One of the most beautiful women I had ever seen as a young boy.
Check her out in Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger!!
When serina died. It gave the audience the idea that anyone could die. It's was very bold for a series at that time. If the series was given the chance to develop as it should have, her death would've helped develop Apollo as a father and warrior.
I agree with you! GL said many times that the show was just starting to find its footing and that season two would had been a vast improvement. 😥😔
Asking to leave one of the best tv shows in history. Dumb. Like asking to get kicked off Game of Thrones.
Lol! I believe that she thought superstardom was just around the corner. I’m sure her agent was hoping for that as well!
Dumb is not knowing the difference between being contracted to a tv series then asking to leave, and agreeing to do limited role for the tv series that she had not originally signed up to do in the first place. Did you actually watch the video?
There is a big difference between a 20-22 episode TV Series which if renewed means returning the following year, and 3 episode mini-series in terms of what is involved.
She had done TV Series before, She had a role in The Onedin Line a successful British TV Series which she had left to do Live and Let Die. So she knew the rigours of weekly TV series shoots and didn't want to be involved with the week in week out shooting requirements.. The original Captain Janeway in Voyager, Geneviève Bujold quit after a day and half of shooting as she found it difficult to deal with the daily shoot requirements and the shows production team found she was struggling with the work.
Not really till Dr Quinn in the 1990's that see her sign up for a recurring TV series role, her career does have TV roles but rarely as a week in, week out recurring character. Mainly either 1 off episodes or as a part time role such as she had in Smallville which recurs for a limited number of episodes.
Whilst she is now in Harry Wild as full time recurring role, being an Irish TV Series as opposed to American then is only between 6-8 episodes per season, so not the same timescales for the shoot that a 20-22 TV Series would entail.
Patrick Stewart is also well known for his initial lack of interest in taking the role of Jean Luc Picard in Star Trek: Next Generation, basically taking it because his agent said whilst was a 6 year contract the show wouldn't last.
@@battlestarcollectica7106 Yeah, women can be extremely stupid. Look at Tasha Yar demanding to leave Star Trek. The grass is always greener, though at least Jane had real talent and had a great career. Also, Women shit on SciFi and do not respect it, so there is that.
@@battlestarcollectica7106 Actresses love death scenes so she negotiated for a good one which was a good move.
Over the years I had seen or heard several rumors about why Jane Seymour quit "Galactica," most of which did not make sense. Although this doesn't really delve much into her reasons why she did not want to commit to a series, I do have a suspicion about something, a theory based on at least one established fact. The narrator said that she was loved by all the actors on the set, which was likely, after all, Aquarian natures do have a demeanor like gravity...but the unspoken truth was none loved her more than Richard Hatch, who had a real-world crush on her (he admitted to that in an interview a few years before his death). I suspect that had to make for a very awkward situation for her, presuming she did not feel the same way. After all, how can one expect to act out a romantic relationship with another character when the actor of that character has a real-world thing for one...? Although she's never spoken of it, I would not be surprised if that had at least been a contributing factor to her decision to quit.
Naturally, back in the '70s, there was no such thing as "MeToo" or special-victim advocacy to put Hatch on a leash, so the only way to escape his obsession was to sever ties with the series. I don't doubt that it didn't break her heart at the time; after all, she still considered herself a *British* star, not American; that would change later, after successes like "Somewhere In Time" and "East Of Eden" made it clear to her that her best outlets for success were *American* movies and TV shows.
You have given me something new to think about. I did not know that Richard Hatch had a thing for her. I always assumed that she wanted to be a movie star and that BSG would have gotten in the way of that. I would really love to interview and ask her!!
I just watched Hatch in his failure-to-launch career buster 'Party Line'. The way he chewed up the scenery makes me think he's a guy who wouldn't readily take no for an answer
Serina's death was a very powerful scene that benefited the show. The actress was never going to agree to being a recurring character anyway, so nothing was lost.
You’re right but it would have been interesting story wise if she had stayed. We also would not have gotten Sheba (who basically was Serena’s replacement) .
@@battlestarcollectica7106 Sure, if she had been willing to stay it would have been a big plus for the show.
Back in the the day when "Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman" was a super hot Bond girl.
I recall watching a TV show a long time ago where they interviewed Jane Seymour or told about her. She mentioned that she faced difficulties landing jobs during that period because the studios thought she was too beautiful. They were all interested in her, but once they saw just how stunning she was…
Wow! I never heard that before!
@battlestarcollectica7106 I haven't really ran across anything that backs that story up, but I remember it because they were talking about BSG at the time. It's like the news story back then about the kid that killed him self because they canceled BSG it was only recently I seen somebody else remembered that story. (See The Minneapolis Star
Minneapolis, Minnesota • Wed, Aug 29, 1979)
Sounds like the problem hot women have - many guys don't ask them out because they figure they are already taken or will get rejected.
The ending of Lost planet of the Gods part 2 still makes me tear up to this day.
I cried big time! Still packs an emotional punch today!
I still hurts me every time I watch her death scene. I really like Jane Seymour. I wish she would have stayed on the series. Richard Hatch and Jane Seymour had wonderful chemistry together.
I agree with you 100%!! Thanks for watching!
Aha another genius choice by the higher ups. Hehe these stories are turning BSG into a comedy show! Thanks for the video.
We are lucky that we got some really good episodes! Very chaotic production!!
Jane's performance was excellent, of course, but I think every time Noah appeared in a scene that is even subtly emotional (in any production), he really shined. I was impressed with him even as a kid. I believed everything he acted. The kid was a master -- as much as Henry Thomas in E.T. was. These kids were masters at ...uh...being kids. Thanks for this Collectica!
BSG really had some good talent! Just imagine if the show had been renewed. The actors were just starting to feel comfortable with their characters when the show got the axe. 😡
I think Anne Lockhart’s Sheba character was better anyway. She was a much stronger personality that fit the other pilots characters better.
Sheba was going to play a much bigger role in season 2. I think we would all be impressed with her character had it happened!
Lord Vader and his Master are real like El Puerco was real. I am a Jedi.
Very cool!!’
In the extended pilot Serina was diagnosed with radiation poisoning and only had a few weeks of life. This was filmed but then edited out. You may find it in You Tube
Thanks for the info!!
This is the best thing I ever saw.
Thanks for watching!
Wow, I didn't know about that at all. 👌
"I want more money"
Soetimes you have to roll the hard six
Your right! It’s all about the 💰💰💰💰
A good reminder of how silly Cattlecar Boredom really was.
The reboot was only marginally better.
Jane Seymour was one of my favorite actresses. And l really liked her" Serina" character and was sad when she was killed off. I didn't think it ruined Battlestar Galactica. Didn't Ann Lockhart's mother June Lockhart. starred in another classic Sci fi show Lost in Space.🤔
Very cool! Thanks for that info!!
Jane Seymour, Erin Grey and Lynda Carter were my all time adolescent crushes. I watched Battlestar exclusively because of her.
I’m with you!! I had a crush on all three!
Throw in Carrie Fisher and we’ve got them all.
One of the most beautiful women ever. To this day.
Very classy lady then and today! Thanks for watching!
I like the character of Serina and Jane Seymour. However, Jane was right to want her character to die. It really furthered the story.
It made for a great episode. Fans still come up to her and mention that death scene!
In her youth she was one of the most beautiful women in the workd!
Still very beautiful today!
Jane is a phenomenon 😂❤
Yes, I still have a crush on her!
She was the best actor in the series.
GL hinted that a few times. She was amazing in Lost Planet of the Gods.
as almost every boy of my generation, OMG massive teenage crush on her
I know! She just had it going!!
If Jane didn't want to be in a Television show, why did she take the starring role on Dr. QUINN MEDICINE WOMAN?
Good question.
I think at that point in her career things had changed for her.
@battlestarcollectica7106 But doesn't that make her a Hypocrite? If Jane had stayed on Battlestar Galactica the show might have lasted more than one season!!!!!!!!
They tried to get her for the reboot to play Cain and her answer was not polite.
I did not know that! Thanks for the info!!
Jane is still a beautiful woman!
She signed up for a mini-series. When It turned into a weekly series she didn't want to continue. So she was in the 3 hour pilot and the following 2 part Lost Planet of the Gods and left.
The same thing happened with Fx supervisor John Dykstra, he signed on for a mini-series and didn't like that his TV fx were being shown on the Big Screen with the two pilot came out as a movie so universal whipped up their own fx studio with motion control equipment called Universal Hartland to do everything beginning with their, in production, 3d story 'The Gun on Ice Planet Zero.😊😊😊
At least that the way I remember it.
Very interesting stuff! I never knew why John Dykstra left the show. Thanks for the info!!
Jealous spiteful George Lucas probably bribed her to drop the show.
“Gravitas”?! That’s one way of putting it. Whatever you call it, Jane Seymour was worth every penny they could throw at her and more!!! 😉 Yes, Serbia’s death did give BSG78 a sense of stakes and heart the ultimately served it better in the long run. Especially making Apollo a single Dad raising his stepson relying on help from many of his Blue Squadron pilots.
I think the show really lost something when she left. I would have been interesting to see a married couple on the Galactica trying to raise a son.
And now she shills beauty cream at 2:00a.m. Don't think she's acted in anything since Dr. Quinn.🙄
I did not know that! Wow!
They had a good number of beautiful actresses on the show and Jane stood out big time. though I need to see if I have this sifi mag (one of those companies that was around for a short time), there is an interview of Seymore claiming she was getting these deaths threats through phone calls and that made her quit (unless I'm thinking it wrong from another sifi rag?)
😳😳😳😳I’ve never that story! Need to investigate!!
@@battlestarcollectica7106 I'm looking for the mag now, let you know! maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure I read it that way.
I think it hurt it. Instead we got Anne Lockhart as Sheba who became the replacement for Serina and she just wasn’t as good. However Universal could not afford to pay Seymore for the entire series which was already the most expensive TV show ever produced.
They did offer her the world. Most likely we would have seen another actor “dropped” to make up for the cost.
Anne Lockhart was wonderful 😊
I don't think that killing off Serena hurt the show but I would've liked to have seen her character continue on.
I think that if she continued on we might not have gotten Sheba.
@@battlestarcollectica7106 While Maren Jensen (A sadly under-rated actress) was good as Athena I think that Jane Seymour would've made a good Athena too.
Yeah.. Braless in the movie didnt hurt either...
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Noticed that aspect, later in life on DVD/Blu. 🙃
Fascinating story. Thanks!
I’m glad you enjoyed it!
One of the most beautiful women to ever walk this earth.
I agree with you 100%!!
Maren Jensen was hotter than Jane Seymour
I can’t disagree! 😉
so there's an unaired, unseen, different original first episode? are fans screaming to see it?
Yes there is but as far as I know it’s never been released to the public.
@@battlestarcollectica7106 - what a shame.
Were the Kaylons of the show Orville based on the Cylons? "ylon" is not a common suffix for words and both are races of robots who were once slaves and want to destroy humanity (Cylons ONLY wanted to destroy humanity but Kaylons wanted to destroy all biological life which of course INCLUDED humanity).
I’m embarrassed to say that I have not watched that show (yet!). Will look into it because I know Seth McFarlane liked BSG!
@@battlestarcollectica7106 I love that the Orville is part comedy and silly and corny on purpose but despite the comic relief and silliness it still has some very deep and important and thought provoking stories rivaling Star Trek in that area. The show was the perfect balance between serious stories and social issues and silly comedy.
But I am almost certain that the "Kaylons" were his version of the "Cylons" because unlike ERS or ING (I am a Scrabble player so I have an idea which suffixes are more common) "Ylon" is a very rare suffix.
Another fun bit is Jane Seymour was offered the role of Admiral Cain in the reboot before Michelle Forbes was cast. Ironically that character would also die before the series was concluded.
I did not know that!! Would have been very interesting!!
Yes its mentioned on the Jane Seymour section of the BSG Fandom page and I agree.
Some where out there is a lot of footage of BSG that has been edited out. Anyone might have a clue to where they are?
I believe a lot of it is on UA-cam. Not all but much of it.
@@battlestarcollectica7106 Ture i wish some one and do a fan cut of the three hour premiere (hint hint) and see what that would have been like. Specifically that Colonial Hymn that was filmed and where is was placed in the show. The third act does get a bit sloppy and forces the planet to explode in a very stuid way. I wonder if Sid Sheinberg had a hand in that. Make it more like a Star Wars ending.
The female version of Harrison Ford wanted Han Solo dead.
Lol! Look how that turned out! 😂🤣😂🤣
I dont know about the series but it hurt me
I agree!!
Great job using the word gravitas twice in one video.
It’s my new favorite word! 😉
@@battlestarcollectica7106 😆
I haven't heard the story of Killing Serina. I wasn't into the actors as much as the mecha. Honestly, I never liked killing off major characters. I like my fantasy to have happy endings. Real life is hard enough, my enjoyment in these shows is to escape reality. As I'm sure goes for most of us.
But the thought occurs to me that if she stayed with BSG, there would have been a good chance it would have lasted longer. But alas...
I agree. I think have a married couple starring on the show would have been very interesting!
@@battlestarcollectica7106 The sounds of executives cringing would have been defining. "Let's have her give up the warrior thing, put her in a stewardess outfit."
"...and make her a waitress on the Rising Star". :)
No, it didnt
It would have been interesting to see a married couple on the Galactica. Some good stories there!
Even if she was payed twice the amount it probably wasn't as much as some of the male stars. :D
I agree! Richard Hatch was paid the most but Dirk became the break out star!
Because being a regular in a scifi show is your last paycheck this side of infomercials. Especially one as bad as that. Sorry, we hated it growing up, we turned on Speed Racer or Star Trek reruns on UHF. The reboot is fantastic. I'm sorry but Lloyd Bridges' line "I'll bring her up to lightspeed even if I have to burn off half my fuel" was unwatchable
Lol! It really was sci-fi fantasy at its best!
I could add a smarmy Buck Rogers sidekick joke by Eddy Murphy......
I guess at the time Jane "seen more" of battlestar galactica then she wanted to? 😂
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Sorry tha didn't t do it.. henry from mash when he was killed off that hit me hard.. and inwalking dead ep grandpa met grossum death i never could watch the show after that ..
It’s amazing how stuff like this stays with us!!
She never went anywhere she was a prima donna
It’s the same old Hollywood story! Things never turn out the way some actors think it will!
I suppose the song that alien musical trio were singing "It's Love" was foreshadowing for Apollo _"It don't matter where you go. It don't matter what you do. There's something always after you... Its LOVE!"_
It had a sinister tone to it implying it may end badly and it certainly did for him.
Very interesting. You may be right!
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA RULES.
The real one, that is.
I’m with you!! 😉
jane is one of the prettiest ladies ever! love her in live and let die!
I agree with you! She was HOT in that movie!!
Apollo lost his brother, his mom and then his wife. I suppose it was fitting to the fact that they were a hunted people. He was a sympathetic character because as a single father he was raising their next generation which gave him something to fight for.
I always felt bad for Apollo. GL did as well and planned a more optimistic story arc for the character had the series been renewed.
When I was young I didn't realize that this character was really dead. Wow, now that you told me that...
I wish she would have been a regular. She really did improve the series!
The original 1978 comic adapted the scenes that implied she had been diagnosed, and was leaving Boxey to Apollo. I have the original novel -not read it in years. Media back then, based on the script before the final film edit. (Like the early scenes with Biggs in Star Wars, edited) This confused me, when I was 9 years! Yet, when the DVD and later Blu' were released, good to see the film sections, that "this" was the plan. Yes, I had a youth-crush (and later) for Jane S'. the ending of Planet of the Gods still hits had on viewing. I do not recall reading that she had this reaction, just that she didn't want to do a full TV series.
Thanks for all that great info!!
In the book her name was Lyra. The rays that the Cylons were using emitted a radiation that was harmful to humans and poisoned the food supply. Lyra was dying from radiation poisoning. She played the role sick. On blu rays in the outtakes you see how she originally played the character and you also see her go and die alone.
@@pskopsyke Later editions of the comic, new Art and dialogue was added to conform to the TV/Movie version -different to the original 1978 comic,...which I still have.
It’s funny because the comics adaptation followed the original story line and I remember being so confused as to why it was so different from what I watched on TV. Also, the drawings and color were just awful in the comic.
The comic was based on an early version of BSG. Universal drove Marvel crazy with their script changes!
@@battlestarcollectica7106 I remember that Marvel actually said something about it when readers complained.
Man, you need a better microphone.
I know! My studio is very low tech (corner of my garage!
Jesus. Jane Seymour. Jesus.
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I have always believed that the loss of Jane Seymour's character DID hurt the series. First, the series was supposed to be about family as much as anything. Starbuck was supposed to be the womanizer. However, it always felt like the series had planned on Apollo being a 'family man' and with the death of Serina, it was like they really didn't know what to do with him and Boxey. There were some not so great attempts at love interests for Apollo, but they never worked, and there wasn't a lot for Boxey to do. Had Seymour stayed, they could have leaned more into the romance between the two and the family aspect. In addition, I think that her presence would have affected both the ratings, and influenced the powers that be in the network to keep the show on the air for at least another season. It wasn't a matter of the show being bad without her. It was GREAT... but she left a hole that they never fixed, and of course, the show would have been that much better with her.
I agree with you! It would have been very interesting to see a married couple on the Galactica. A lot of story possibilities!
They had plenty to draw on without her, she was average.
I think she had a lot of potential.
She was colonel Wilma Deering of battle star Galactica
At least Wilma lived to fight another day! 😂
*Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
I just realized who my sister looks like I knew she looked like someone.
Wow!! Very cool!
Such a shame Serina was killed off.
I agree! It would have been very interesting to have a married couple as part of the cast. Some great stories could have been told!
To be honest I never thought she was that great. Don't get me wrong I liked her, but she definitely wasn't a stand out in the show to me.
I honestly had more of a crush on Anne Lockhart when I was a kid
I think Lost Planet of the Gods showed off her talents more so then the pilot. Would have been interesting to see how a married couple would have fit in every week.
@battlestarcollectica7106 Absolutely agree. I might not have appreciated it watching back then as a 10 year old, but I'd be very interested in seeing it nowadays.
Funnily enough I actually watched Lost Planet Of The Gods just on Tuesday.
I watched her on the Onedin Line British TV series. I think this was her breakthrough role. She was great in this series.
It paid to have a beautiful face.
I had a real crush on her for years! Still an amazing beauty!
@@battlestarcollectica7106 Same!
A long time ago 😮
Yup! It’s been a long time!
I think she should have stayed on the show until she got a movie deal like most people nowadays do they do a TV stent until she's good in movies....
I agree!
Why didn't they bring her back as a time travelling angel in Galactica 1980. To bring some gravitas.
She was becoming a movie star and had no desire (at this point in her career) to go back to network tv.
Ultimately the show needed a new Princess Leia and got one in Anne Lockhart.
Your right! I never thought of it that way before!
Ah well. An actor's careerist stratagems in the hopes of becoming a movie star are fascinating and ironic. In the end, she had to go back to television.
I never thought of that! Your right!!
The irony is, Lost Planet of the Gods was a two part episode so Serina's death actually happens at the end of the third episode. Universal strikes again!
Wow! I did not know that!!
I bet she didn’t know that it was a two parter. Sneaky.
I actually like sheeba more, but that's just me. she had more story to her.
Sheba’s role was going to be much bigger in season 2. Unfortunately, we were all robbed!
@@battlestarcollectica7106 my actual hope was that they would have atleast reprised the character, and they kind of did in Razor, but that's be speaking hypothetical with not even mentioning a daughter of Cain, Though the main girl in Razor could be seen as her deciple from a certain lense, but yet again if that was a thing they still cut that character off at the legs
Maybe in new deleopments they may get around to her. Who knows.
They should have kept her i was bummed they didn't
I agree! Thanks for watching!
Jane is one of the most beautiful actresses of all time! Why would she stick around for BG, she was on the rise!
She wanted to be a movie star. Who could blame her!
@battlestarcollectica7106 Was this movie after James Bond or around same time she was Sinbad and The Eye of the Tiger?
Serenas death while sad did not affect the series
It would have been interesting, script wise, to have a married couple as part of the show.
at lerast she stuck with dr Quinn but damn she was great on Galactica,Anne Lockhart as Sheba did fine work but too butch.
I think it would have been interesting to have a married couple as part of the main cast. Would have opened up a lot of story possibilities!
@@battlestarcollectica7106 i THINK SO
Absolutely not butch. Anne Lockhart was excellent as Sheba! A strong woman does not equal butch!!
Anne was not "butch"
Great to learn. Very well done.
Thanks for watching!