Dinosaur Precon Upgrade Guide | “Veloci-Ramp-Tor” | Lost Caverns of Ixalan | The Command Zone 572
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Show Notes:
Look, Lost Caverns of Ixalan is a cool set, but we all know what you’re really here for: DINOSAURS! You’re in luck because it’s time for our upgrade guide for the new Veloci-Ramp-Tor white, green and red precon. We’ll bring you 10 cards to add some teeth to the deck, and 10 cards you should excavate to make sure you stomp your opponents into extinction at your next game night. All for under $50!
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:03:29 - "Veloci-Ramp-Tor" Precon Upgrade
00:04:51 - Pantlaza, Sun-Favored
00:06:45 - Wayta, Trainer Prodigy
00:09:03 - Deck Stats
00:16:47 - Who Should You Run as the Commander?
00:20:11 - Reprint Value
00:24:27 - Notable Reprints
00:31:16 - Best Cards in the Deck
00:36:08 - Upgrade Goals
00:39:32 - Cards to Add
00:57:16 - Cards to Take Out
01:06:05 - How the Deck Plays?
01:09:42 - To the Listeners
01:11:58 - Jordan and "Killers of the Flower Moon"
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This is the precon I pre-ordered and also the very first magic cards I will have and I am *extremely* hyped for it
Great choice for a first deck 👌
Yes, great choice! Magic can be a expensive hobby to get into; especially if your planning on making decks from scratch
@@kaderussell7193 I have already found that out lol, I am already working on a couple of decks from scratch that are having to come together *very* slowly
I'm new also, started beginning of the year. It gets expensive quick but you'll love it. I would also recommend the merfolk deck and the food and fellowship deck from Lord of the rings. Food and fellowship can go hard AF especially after some inexpensive tweaks
How do you love it so far? I'm wanting to get into magic and dinos have always interested me. This commander deck seems to speak to me for entry
I am without a shadow of a doubt, getting this precon because, I love Jurassic Park.
I preordered this commander deck already before watching this video.
Same
Same
Same here!
Shadow of Doubt wouldn't be legal in the deck anyways.
Original Ixalan got me into magic cause Dinosaurs.
Now all these years later, on the verge of card game burnout, life... finds a way.
its was 6 years ago? i hear "all these years later" and think youre talking at least 10 lol.
I'm excited to build another dinosaur deck that is different than my Ghishath. Great suggestions for the upgrades. Would love to see a full upgrade for the deck rather than just ten cards. Either way, great video!
My highest recommendation is Lurking Predators. One of my favorite cards and can build insane advantage in a creature based deck!
Yeah that's a cool addition and we definitely considered it! You really have to make sure your dino count is as high as possible there though.
@@JordanPridgen creature count has to be super high for sure! Love your work on the channel, man!
@@coveredenbeez324 throw it in! Give it a shot!
@@coveredenbeez324 with Pantlaza on the battlefield it's just bonkerssss
So excited to get my precon tomorrow! Already got all my adds and sleeves ready. Just need to get some new cards from the set too.
I have been a Gishath player since it came out, and dinosaurs are THE reason I still play magic. I was literally on my way to my LGS to sell my collection when Gishath got announced. I am very much building this deck. And Huatli. And Wayta. I may also be eyeing the Indoraptor... I like dinosaurs
Dinos were legit my 1st deck I ever made, still love my gishath but I have neglected upgrading it so I'm super excited about this set and precon!
I'd like 2 see ur gishath list. I've been playing him the same time. I've gotten mine tuned where 3rd turn gish is swinging with doublestrike or double dmg. IT brings fear wherever it goes
@@joshj1351 That sounds...bad? Like what is it a billion pieces of fast mana? Where are all the dinosaurs. Whats the point if youre not slamming mega huge dinosaurs.
Had to order this one as I’m getting into MTG, and have always loved Dinosaurs. I’ve bought some upgrades for the deck to add in once it comes too. I love how the Commander looks!
Hope you have fun :)
Upgrade guide: Buy Gishath
Surprised they hadn't said that one he's really good
Step two: Make it your commander.
I got really lucky, he was in my booster when bought my pirate deck.
@@ZClaireVoyanceZthey did just at the end of
I picked up the 10 cards you suggested for this precon and I won my first 3 games of Commander last night!!!
From where? There mostly out of stock everywhere I look
@@brianl4137 I bought most of them from card kingdom and then the 2 that I couldn’t get from there I got from TCG player
I think a very interesting card in this deck is Cream of the Crop. Since your creatures are generally quite big and you often get two for ones on your Dinos, it gives you a ton of card selection and can allow you to heavily stack your deck to get the best stuff off your discovers.
And Mirri’s Guile, Sensei’ Hisoka’s Divining Top, with a splash of Kindred Summons or Door of Destiny to round up the win!
First precon I've been excited about since the LOTR decks. Def picking this one up!
I feel like OG Ghalta and Gigantosaurus are pretty decent adds. Giga is a little hard to cast, but with the ramp in the deck you can get pretty good fixing and then it's a 5-mana discover 10. Ghalta is arguably better because it's bigger, cheaper and it has trample. And, if it's not in the deck, Garruk's Uprising is a must add because card draw and it gives everything trample.
I've gotten lucky with the green hideaway land and casting him for free by turn 5, and I've only ever gotten him once off of 👖's etb
New Ghalta works great, too, but it got pretty expensive
Savage Order might be my favorite add for this deck because of the ability to cheat Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant out, thus allowing me to then put all other creatures in my hand out for free. Especially with Esper Sentinel, Thought Vessel, Reliquary Tower, & more card draw to stack up hella creatures in the hand first.
Wayta looks like such a fun card to build around
Great commander and super for Alta. With her you can easy crack eggs. 💯💯🆒
I am unreasonably excited for this deck!!!!
Super excited for the new set!
I’m calling him Pants, and then I’m gonna put Boots on Pants.
Cutting runic armasaur is a mistake. Its 3 mana for discover 5 off the commander and will draw you cards off fetch lands at a minimum
I hope they do upgrades for the blood rites deck, too! That’s the one I’m super excited for!
Just wondering why you guys went with Elemental Bond over Garruk's Uprising? Same cost, only 4 cards in the deck trigger Ele but not Garruk AND it gives your big boys Trample ... AND it will usually draw a card when entering the battlefield itself.
Good question. Maybe flavor. The art looks like it may contain a dino?
Elemental Bond is even $5... compared to the $1of garruk's uprising
More than likely because it will trigger on another 10 cards. That being said, I would add both.
Problably bcs of the 3 creature power etb of the elemental bond instead of 4 power of the uprising. I will try with both 😂😅
Garruk’s Uprising also goes well with Quartzwood Crasher (as we saw on GK).
@@mthlay15 Lol Garruk's uprising has several dinos on it depending on the version you get. I'm guessing they went with elemental bond because it triggers off of all of the 3/3 dino tokens the deck can make. I still like Garruk's uprising more though.
Again : nice job !
This upgrade guide is very entertaining, even for "old" players.
In your budget upgraded, you noticed the interaction between sneak attack and ephemerate. Even though ephemerate is strong because it's an instant, there is a stronger and cheaper card that blinks all those dinosaures way more often : Nahiri's resolve. "just sayin' ! " ;)
I think the point of Ephermerate is to blink on your turns to trigger Pantlaza twice on your turn. Nahiri doesn't seem that good tbh
I saw 1 announced JP card would be in this deck and instantly pre-ordered.
Probably also getting the Naga one, both just seem right up my alley, in both flavour and playstyle
I know it's a bit of a hit or miss with the deck only having 32 creatures, but I will absolutely suggest adding Lurking Predators. The more creatures you have in your deck the more effective it is, and it WILL trigger even if it's the only thing you cast all turn. Every single spell an enemy casts is a chance for you to drop a free dinosaur onto the battlefield, and with Pantlaza wanting ETB to happen, it will trigger off of every creature you can cheat out with this enchantment.
Can't wait for you to go over the pirate deck!!⚓️
Dinosaaaaurs. I pre-ordered this deck immediately
To be honest I'm was really hoping that you'd choose Pantlaza since I really want him to be my commander but a lot of people rating and upgrading this deck chose Wayta ^^ Which is honestly the more interesting choice mechanically speaking but for my first dinosaur deck I also want to have a dinosaur as my commander! So grateful for the vid and adding some blink / etb-trigger cards!
This is a great pre-con in all aspects.
I disagree with cutting Lifecrafters Beastiary at the least. This card is consistently getting added in any creature deck with green. Especially in this deck, I think the free upkeep scry is being severely underrated
But love the video and the flow between you two is very easy to listen to. Thank you for your hard work ❤
Am I weird for thinking that life crafters bestiary is almost perfect for the deck since it scrys to possibly help setup the top card for pantlaza and in a deck where I am casting huge dinosaurs and probably only one a turn for the first half of the game I think that spending any extra green to draw cards is perfectly fine.
I agree, for me their logic seemed super backwards. They said it's better if you're playing cheaper creatures, but if you're paying an additional mana from 2 to 3, that's a 50% increase, whereas it's much lower percentage wise for bigger creatures.
Also, if you're playing cheap creatures, you have a high chance of double or even triple spelling, which means you're very good at using all your mana to cast an additional creature, so paying the tax even once probably slows you down by a spell. If you're slamming big creatures, there are going to be a ton of turns where you play a 7 drop on 8 or 9 lands and have nothing else to do. In those circumstances, you'd love a way to spend that last bit of mana to keep your tires spinning, and you lose basically no tempo for doing so.
@@bennettpalmer1741 my thoughts exactly.
Preach
I don’t think you are, I love it here.
Yup SAME
I love that you guys do a bang for your buck section now. One thing that could be cool would be divide the reprint value by the number of the reprints plus basic lands. This would be more favorable to sets like Lord of the Rings and Dr. Who, and less so to sets like commander masters.
I’ve thought the same thing. Set specific basics are pretty different than “regular” basic reprints for me.
Gonna reiterate just in case that you do not have to play the cards you discover, so it literally makes it card draw with upside. This also means you don't have to develop the board when you don't want to, for example, if you're expecting a board wipe (or even got one in your hand already). I know, I know, free value is hard to turn down, but I do think this mechanic is more skill-testing than people give it credit for.
Jordan now needs some pants lava pants to go with his shirt
One major upgrade I found was Passionate Archaeologist. Hitting someone for extra damage whenever you discover is sweet
Pricey, but definitely helpful.
i feel the art for rythm of the wild is for the ravnica remastered set and they premptivly used the new art
I've been calling it Pants Llama all week and I will not stop
This feels great to play right out the box just add some blinks and you open up more avenues to build right after a board wipe
Please go back to adding the “splurge” option for cards
4:04 It's funny you mention that. I'm gonna throw down some Dino knowledge on ya! The Velociraptors from
Jurassic Park were modeled after Utahraptors and Deinonychus. Which were that big.
Take a shot every time Jordan says Pantlaza wrong. 😂❤
No thanks, I want to live!
Definitely getting this deck, but building it around Wayta. Fightharmonicon sounds like so much fun.
Do you think that Deck can be strong? I find it really interesting, but after reading a lot of enraged cards i dont know if they will be really good. But i never played a deck like that so i dont know.
@Moekules once you expand your search beyond cards that say "enrage" you find some much more interesting options.
I'm happy to see you guys are using a higher budget for upgrades ♡
my immediate thought with this deck was add in all of the enrage dinos, a couple of the "everything gets +0/+1' enchantments, maybe a couple of the 0cmc toughness equipment, a pyrohemia, swap the commander, then just add and tweak from there.
the double enrage effects and being able to force them so easily seems too good to pass up. and she's a 1/5... she was born to bonk dinos with her stick.
I am new to Commander with a little of bit Magic play on line but I am pre-ordering this deck!
Really excited about this deck because dinos are sweet. One of the guys in my pod had a Gishath that i played and played against and it was always underwhelming because it got removed 80% of the time before triggering. There's probably some protection or haste enablers that could make it more impactful but in general I think that is kinda just the card design/balance. This is to me seems more reliable value and less threatening as soon as it hits the board so you hopefully get more triggers
I dream of casting Gishath with Lightning Greaves ready to equip.
here in Europe, these precons have different prices, the dinosaur precon and the vampire precon cost more than the merfolk precon and the pirate decks do, in fact, this dinosaur deck costs a lot more than the others. such a shame.
I just checked the website of a LGS in Texas, they are selling these for 49.99$. Are you sure the retail is 40 $? But at least they are all going for the same price though.
since you added monster manual, you might as well add the Elvish Piper as the 11th card if you are gonna add more than 10. just take out a land, you have 39 which is too many in my opinion. I did 15 out, 15 in, my extra additions are: Skyshroud claim, instead of cultivate, nature's lore, instead of drover of the mighty, elvish piper for dinosaur egg, ghalta, primal hunger for 1 plains and last, I did Chromatic lantern for Progenitor's Icon, they are both 3 mana and the lantern is more useful and last, because Gishath is cheap in Europe, I added him instead of adding "Invasion of Ikoria" like you suggested. they are both big dinosaurs.
Lurking Predators, as suggested by someone in the comments is also super nice, maybe I'll add that later, I'll do these 15 first. my total upgrade cost is 37,39 € (39.94 $), so I have 10 left if I want to spend 50 and Lurking predators is 4.75 so yeah... gonna do that at some point, still pretty budget.
Bought this for it to be stripped and upgrade my Gishalth deck I'm so excited
Great Additions and lovly atmosphere as always! ❤ but Runic Armasaur is gread I think in this deck, potential card draw and 5 Discovering is pretty decent imo.
Some great cards to add to my Atla Palani Jurrasic Park deck
Cards to Add
-Sneak attack
-Monster Manual
-Cryptic gateway
-Ephemerate
-Invasion of Ikoria
-Greater good
-Elemental bond
-Relmwalker
-Flaming tyrannosaurus
Cards to Take Out
-Thundering Spineback
-Verdant sun's Avatar
-Bellowing Aegisaur
-Raging regisaur
-Majestic Heliopterus
-Shifting ceratops
-Runic armasaur
-Deathgorge scavenger
-Migration path
-lifecrafter's bestiary
I disagree on some of the subtractions, but neither one of us is wrong.
I’m going to have to find spots for the Bonehoard Dragon I got in the Collector booster sample pack in my Dino precon (synergy!) and the Hunting Velociraptor I had in my bundle.
Also add Etali Primal Conqueror (from the video)
Cant wait to get this deck
It does not discover for the mana value of the spell, but for that creature toughness. I missreaded the card as well!
I like how the archidekt ad makes it look like you all live in one house together lol
besides the 10 cut card suggested, what would you remove to add bonehead dracosaur and gishath?
just a fun fact, the Utahraptor was about the size of the velociraptor from J-park
I've done a little research on some good cards to run with Pantlaza as the commander to enhance the benefits for discover, or that work well with the deck. (Some may already be included from the video, the deck, or haven't released yet.)
Wayward Swordtooth $2.50+
Sneak Attack $5.00+
Thrasta. Tempest's Roar $1.00+
Elemental Bond $5.00+
Cryptic Gateway $1.00+
Pugnacious Hammerskull $0.75+
Knight of the Stampede $0.35+
Hulking Raptor $1.50+
Kinjalli's Caller $0.20+
Ghalta, Primal Hunger $2.50+
Garruk's Uprising $0.45+
Blasphemous Act $1.50+
Monster Manual $4.00+
Herald's Horn $5.00+
Swords to Plowshares $0.75+
Ghalta and Mavren $2.00+
Heroic Intervention $8.00+
Ephemerate $1.50+
Lurking Predators $5.50+
For a total price of about $50 for all 19 cards I would say it's worth it. Though I'd likely add about 10-15. I didn't have a whole lot of lower cost red dinos/cards atm since a lot of them are pricey or I didn't think of any. (I'm mainly a green player), but these are mostly $0.50-$5.00. If anyone has any good red cards to throw in please throw a comment!
I just got mine in today. Plan to do some upgrades to it. Though, I'm surprised you didn't talk about the 3rd Commander option in this deck, Zacama. I'm also surprised you left Wayta in for the upgrades. She just feels like an auto-drop to me.
I just bought this deck at $40 at my local LGS shop last night!
Ahhh I wish I would have gotten this for the preorder price! It’s only gonna go up
I tend to play more and more big creatures with cycling in tribal decks to solve bad hands/draws. Yidaro and titanoth rex might be interesting
Lazer pants is bomb I think I might have found my first pre-con/ commander deck
Ixalan is the afterlife and that's why all the dinosaurs are there
I've been playing my velociramptor deck with my own mods since it was released and i do have to say - *don't sleep on the enrage cards or their triggers* . I was fortunate to pull a Polyraptor in one my my boosters (i know this is on a budget) - you're going to want it though. If you're running bellowing aegisaur, those raptors are cloning and growing, if you're running Gishath as your commander and play verdant sun's avatar, you're going to be getting life like ted bundy on trial. Then you're swarming, ramping, so many triggers, uber life gain, even if you become a target, nobody wants to swing at you because you can block with your raptors and create more.. they'll board wipe you but you don't care, you're sitting on 80 hp and you get to deploy gishath again - or just ephemerate him out the way and get a new roster of free dinos there and then. If you simplify your goals to just hit the ground with haste and some mid-range attack power, you will get laserd down.
Runic Armasaur had me stuck discarding because I was getting cards faster than I could cast them lol.
Would you guys run Kinjali's Suncaller, Priest of the Waking Sun, Wakening Sun's Avatar and the 2 OG Huatli's, Dinosaur Knight & Warriors Poet in the deck?
My first commander deck ever was call for backup so I love nia
I love Dino’s so this is going to be awesome now they just need to do a shark deck there is not enough sharks out there
I enjoyed this upgrade. I would try to find a way to add Lurking Predators & Garruk's Uprising
The reprints are insane. I had to check 3/4 different sources because I could not believe they printed Akroma's Will in to it.
Bronzebeak might be my favorite card from this set and i might just get a bunch of them as just general white removal cause that life gain send to graveyard second mode seems like such a good insurance policy to prevent people from killing it cause if your holding up mana anyways you can make sure they dont get there thing back out of spite
Savage Order might be my favorite add for this deck because of the ability to cheat Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant out, thus allowing me to then put all other creatures in my hand out for free. Especially with Esper Sentinel, Thought Vessel, Reliquary Tower, & more card draw to stack up hella creatures in the hand first.
“Painharmonicon” oh you cheeky buddy.
I won a game with Chandras ignition because both my opponents were at 12 or less and I had Galta and Mavren out 😊
Preordered this as soon as they announced a dino procon for $35 and now it's creeping up to $70. Glad I locked it in when I did.
Same bro, I got it early because I told my friend who likes Dragons; "You know what's cooler than Dragons?... Dinosaurs!!! 🤣"
(They don't know what's coming to em)
WRAMPINnnn ! 🤘🦁🤘
What has been overlooked here is that you legit came up with a better name on the first try... Ty-Ramp-Osauras Wreck is LIT
Rekt*
Put in Dinosaurs On A Spaceship just for the funnies!!! LMAO!
Wow thats a lot of value
The Dinosaurs from Space also synergizes with this deck as well. Cast it from suspend for 5 total dinos to trigger Pantslava.
My highest recommendation is Nahiri's Resolve. Buffs, gives Haste and can blink your dinos. Burning Sun's Avatar can deal ETB damage again and can activate Pantlaza's Discover for 6. I know Pantlaza only works once for turn, but you can blink it to do it again!
Good catch.
So many sets so close to each other, so many good cards slipping through cracks.
Well if you have a Gishath deck already you basically only need the new cards and reprints you don't have. (and you can switch between pantlaza and gishath for dinosaur tribal.)
oh and upgrades you absolutely missed "Trapjaw Tyrant" that's a enrage "Reclaimation sage"
Silverclad ferociouidons is a very scary thing to block and let through.
Polyraptor.. the only reason thats not in the deck is Marauding raptor since that can cause a draw. but theres a fix with "Wrathful raptors" which is a win con with this draw combo
but the one upgrade missed bar none thats a absolute necessity is "Forerunner of the empire" it puts a dinosaur ontop of the deck then the next dino coming out could cheat it out.
most of those cards aren't in the video because they're just too expensive. Polyraptor alone is upwards of $26 with most of the others sitting above $10 a piece.
My Dino deck had 38 land and 39 Dinos. So this deck didn't surprise me in this deck
Shifting Ceratops I do like playing. Because there isn't too many reach or flying dinos
Wayta could also work with Vrondiss and Wrathful Red Dragon!
4 words. DINOSAURS IN A SPACESHIP
If i would add gishath, together with the other recommended 10 cards, which other card should i take out?
I personally don't like sion of calamity. It would be a lot better with trample. I'd personally use the sailback from March of the machine instead or the sail dinosaur from aftermath
$40 my ass. Aadon and everyone else is like 88 bucks 😢
Best advice. Take your gishath deck and strip the precon for parts.
Best precon name confirmed.
grothama loves this deck
I love wayta. I also really like the vampire precon. And i need a fallout precon... im feeling the product fatigue but im still excited about it all!
Tribal Dinos!
What's the power level before and after upgrades plus I think I'd add gurruks uprising just because
That bush had a dinosaur in it 🤣 😂😂😂😂😂
Josh reading his imaginary watch, 17:57
I know the meme of "2020 green cards" but in what world is a 4mv 4/5 an overcosted creature?
Me: Excited to buy Flaming Tyrannosaurus for $1.50 after watching this video.
Flaming Tyrannosaurus: You sure about that?
How come this was taken down and reposted a few days later? Did you all add stuff?
Does anybody else just not have the mental capacity to read a novel for every card?
Crazy how fast the prices change
So... you included Elemental bond at 7 dollars to draw cards, but not garruk's uprising at 17 cent to draw cards and give trample?
Garruk's uprising is great too, Elemental bond just hits a couple more things in the deck.