Notably with Myrim and Roaming Throne, ward is a triggered ability so each copy of roaming throne will make opponents pay multiple times to get past ward.
Exactly - playing the Throne with Miirym on the board will already give you 2 more Thrones for a total of 3. Now ward triggers 3 additional times when Miirym or a Throne gets targeted aka making them pay 8 mana to not get their spell/ability countered.... At this point a boardwipe is needed or its basically over already.
Roaming throne just seems like a no brainer. Get lucky in opening hand. Play Myrim. Get 2 thrones. Now everything u do for the rest of the game is tripled. 3 copies of all dragons and most dragons that you would run in that deck have attack triggered abilities.
Added roaming throne to the merfolk deck and it became nuts. Once it was out I created a 36/36 by turn 3 or 4. Plus there were just two creatures with wards on them and it made the board untouchable.
Ojer Taq - I plan to have it in my deck that has Vishgraz, the Doomhive in it. If I have Far Traveler or Teleportation Circle out (I also have Anointed Procession and Doubling Season in this deck) then at end step I blink Vishgraz and get 9 mites with toxic 1. Sure, there are board wipes or give everything a -1/-1 that can take them out, but I've got multiple ways to make a lot of toxic tokens. Best case and I have Ojer Taq and 2 doublers out then I blink for 15 mites. I get that it takes a turn to fully benefit, but it's going in every white token deck I have. It's not always going to be able to be dealt with, and if it gets killed, it the tokens remain, then I'm easily attacking with 3 and getting it back. OR... in my planeswalker party deck. Many planeswalkers make tokens. I can put this out with 4 planeswalkers and 3 are probably going to make 1 token. Pop them all off and I've got 9 tokens in 1 turn.
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"We are just not gonna give him vampires. And also, we are going to attack him. Just like with an Esper Sentinel or Rhystic Study." That's bold to say after a Game Knights where Jimmy just drew 35 cards off of a Rhytic Study.
The difference is you have the choice. Tap my artifact or not. When playing playing against Rhystic Study you have the option of not playing the card you want or play it. There is a huge difference in the impact. You can still play the spell which gives you the artifact, they just enter tapped.
Ojer taq , considering the grand scheme, staples in nicely into 2 of my favorite decks… Ratadrabik…even at 6 mana, by that stage you will almost always have a sac outlet and Rata online … Vishgraz… any blinking takes place with those two in play…it’s time to call the Orkin man..!😅
Matzalantli went straight into my Tayam deck. It plays a lot of permanents, mills, can be picked with Tayam, and the colourless mana is great for activating it. Dracosaur and Roaming Throne easily found spots in Miirym. Great set!
Rise of the witch-king is another great reanimation card that returns any permanent if you sac a creature to it plus your opponents will be potentially sacrificing a creature as well. Only cost one more than squirming emergence and doesn’t have the fathomless descent restriction
Can confirm, roaming throne is a little silly in yuriko if opponents don't feel like removing it.... Through the ward.... And the counterspell in my hand.... And the faithful guardianship in my hand....
Also I just realised that The Myriad Pools is a cast trigger, so on cast you can turn your land into blightsteel even if the blightsteel you tried to cast got countered. That seems pretty good actually.
Unwinding clock does not work with the millennium calendar, as it says "during your untap step", I was thinking to use this with Clara Oswald who "REALLY' likes time counters.
Cards that “don’t do anything when you play them” are still good most people just play them wrong like if you have end step, upkeep, or battle phase triggers, they go off immediately.
Played with pit of offerings last night, held it in my hand for a while and it done pretty well, exiled 3 cards from players and those cards would've helped them if they got them back again
I think you’re underrating Matzalantli pretty heavily. I’m usually happy to play it on 3 and just loot for awhile. I play it in Ellie and Alan and Meren, neither of which I’m doing hardcore self-mill, and it’s drawing me several cards and furthering my game plan the whole time. Put of offerings has been underwhelming. It’s not mana fixing, it’s graveyard hate with upside. I ended up exiling my own jarad in meren last night. Talk about feels bad.
Not sure Elf is a "for sure no" with Lathriel as your commander, Doubles her combat damage trigger, rhys the exiled, dwynen, marwyn, wolverine riders, warmaster, lys alana, gala greeters, poison tip, nissa resurgent animist, etc. Several staples so not sure why its a for sure a no go, its seems definitely enough value for consideration. In a lot of cases , just boosting a repeatable commander trigger is worth the add.
I used Zoyawa's Justice on a Nuturing Bristleback (CMC 7) before blockers were declared to try to get my small creatures in and win the game. My opponent shuffled it back and allowed me to cut and he discovered the same Nuturing Bristleback which is a 5/5 that also creates a 3/3. SMH during the pre-release.
RE Roaming Throne: In Minn, you're not naming Illusion, you're naming Wizard, and getting both doubled tokens and doubled put-into-play abilities. It's a counter doubler in Denry. And in Liara...Oh, Liara. 1 mana to cast, double impulse draw, 6 mana discount.
I love the ep its an interesting conversation on the Card Ojer Taq, and I agree with the assessment, but Josh ended it stating its over priced, most of the doublers are over $40, and the other new one is the only other one below $30, this card is getting slotted in because people cant financially afford the doublers, and the slots are not better filled with other cards right?
How would myriad pools and a card like nyxbloom ancient work? Since myriad pools would produce triple mana, couldn’t you use the mana for multiple spells and get multiple permanents to become a copy of those spells?
Permission / Denied Target spell gains "this spell can't be countered" / counter target noncreature spell Maybe that's a way to make it modal? Either you can protect a permanent while it's on the stack, or you can protect the permanent after it lands. No idea what the mana cost for those modes would be though. W/U? W1/U?
There it was! In the card kingdom promo "you need 37 lands"! Jimmy, Josh, were you listening???? You BOTH ran 35 lands in the last game knights! You lack discipline 😤
I need to play Redemption Choir in my Leinore Deck. It hits 60% of the deck cmc wise including lands, lifelink is nice for desperate times, Sun Titan is to expensive and to non-human for the deck and since Leinore has Coven herself, i don´t care about this requirment on Redemption Choir.
You don't get priority during the untap step, so you can't cast any spells or activate any abilities. (Unless an effect lets you, but I don't recall any effects doing that.)
As a small point of fact, Bronzebeak Foragers is actually the card that you and Prof played your game of chicken with at 20 minutes into the episode, Kitesail Larcenist is the card Jimmy used to protect his commander from his own Toxic Deluge at 1:18 minutes into the episode. Though both work similarly
I’m surprised you didn’t mention at all that ojer taq’s ability only applies to creature tokens. to me, that’s the biggest issue of the card. not the cost or lack of protection. it’s comboing with smothering tithe and academy manufacturer and those types of cards that make token doublers so powerful. being limited to creature tokens is by far its biggest issue.
The problem with "Roaming Throne" is that it goes into way too many decks. So, every game you see one or more of this same card and it's an obnoxious card. :/ Also, it does too much and is even a decent beater for not that much mana and easy to cast.
Dracosaur fits into a neat little niche where it either gets instantly removed pulling hate away from your real threats, or it sticks around long enough to pull in a crazy amount of value over time.
Man… your take on Ojer Taq was just depressing. This isn’t an attack on you guys just an assessment of the state of casual play. I am a kitchen table player mostly, and your sentiment is pretty similar to what I see at my local shop. This kinda thing really makes me feel like casual is dying. I remember days of playing 6 mana do nothings that catapulted me to victory next turn and this card is perfect for that. Like why do I want my games to be over once someone gets 8 mana? I know the game has to end and I don’t begrudge that. For me though the proper time feels more like turns 9-12 rather than turns 5-8. The format seems to get faster and faster by the day. Where would this card have to sit to be exciting? At 4 mana? Like you guys have to give your opinion and I respect that but it doesn’t mean I’m not going to lament this downward spiral magic has been in for years. To be clear the days of paying 6 mana for a 4/4 with flying were both boring and tedious. I don’t want to go back to that. But 6 mana for a 6/6 token trippler seems fair. Where like Bonehoard Dracosaur should probably have been a 3/3. The ability on average making you either 1 treasure or a 3/1 token body both of which are worth about 1 mana, as well as impulse drawing you 2 cards which is also worth 1 mana, put that on a 3/3 body with two keywords which I value at between 3 and 4 mana and that card is perfect. Bloodletter of Aclazotz is perfect as 2/4 body with one keyword worth about 3 mana, but also has an ability that contextually doubles the effectiveness of itself and other cards which is worth at least 2 maybe 3 mana, discounted by 1 because it has three pips in it’s cost, makes it just about perfect. Could cost 2, black, black, black but there is a fair debate to be had there.
Ojer Taq fits really well in Atla Palani. 3 eggs can represent almost 18+ mana in value if all your creatures 6cmc or greater. I tend to find this best because that’s the investment for Atla (4 cast + 2 tap)
11:05 When I was a kid we had a similar “escape from a room with no windows or doors” word puzzle thing. Ours involved a table though. He’s trapped in a room, with no windows or doors, or exits of any sort. Just a table and you. How did he get out? He looked around and saw. He used the saw to cut the table in half. Two half’s makes a whole. He crawled out of the hole, and ran away.
For Ojer Taq, i absolutely intend to put one in my Council of Four deck, in a turn cycle i can make up to 12 2/2 Knights, only potentially needing to spend two mana on my turn to make 3
I like Pit of Offerings in a five color deck actually. Exiling one multi-colored from a single graveyard is pretty do-able and makes this a guildgate. Hitting any three mono-colored cards makes it on par with seaside citadel. I see it as a (worse) version of Exotic Orchard.
Love Ojer Taq but agreed that it's a 'win more'. Feels amazing when you get it to go off but if you can get it to go off you we're almost certainly on the cusp of victory anyway.
Ojer Taq I think would excel in a Kykar deck, since it can produce spirits quite easily and fuel creating even more. Besides flooding the board with access to haste enablers or something like impact tremors can quickly take over.
I'm super excited to pair Roaming Throne with The Mycotyrant. Makes tyrant bigger on ETB and doubles the amount of fungus tokens you get at the end of your turn, I'll take it!
@@MarineS0n2 correct! Roaming throne becomes a creature type when it ETBs. So theoretically if you're playing on curve: tyrant on three, throne on four (naming fungus or saproling). This gives your tyrant an extra power/toughness as another fungus or saproling has been played.
Pit of Offerings isn’t actually that bad in your opening hand because you don’t typically have a lot of one drops. You play it turn 1 and then play your two drops on turn two and it’s just a colorless land. Not great by any means but not awful. On turns 2-5 this might be bad. Then it takes you land drop and doesn’t do much if there aren’t any good targets. But equally it will sometimes snipe really important pieces from graveyard decks. And it is a land so it has some use eventually. Not exciting but good for budget and decent for grave decks where you probably will be able to make this tap for all your colors.
Zoyowa's justice in The War Doctor... targetting your own 1 CMC spell should net a few time counters. You might even get your card back... I don't play Sol Ring, but imagine tapping a sol ring to float 2, cast Zoyowa's justice, and getting your sol ring back.
Getting an Ojer Taq soon to put in my Quintorious, Loremaster deck. Just basically a nice way to create extra Spirits to sac for free instants/sorceries along with blockers/attackers. I’ve got every iteration of him too, so plenty of tokens on the same turn Ojer Taq enters the battlefield without having to pay mana.
Mondrak and Ojer Taq are in my Atla deck with a lot of worldspine wurm/coil engine creatures so they works both with the commander and the die effect of the other creatures in my deck. Ojer is also great with sneak attack as it sticks around instead of going to the graveyard. Run it with myriad creatures like the beefy 8/6 trampler and go to town
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So from the Ojer Taq conversation, that card is super good as a commander. Fill your deck with the planeswalkers that make creatures and the attacker cards that make creatures. Then you’re getting the benefit of Taq several times in the same turn.
Okay so I understand their point of view with Ojer Taq. Of course it’s not efficient to play ojer for 6 on turn 6 then say go. These double and triple effects in my mind are almost considered “win more” to me. Like you’re already doing a thing but now I’m gonna cast this and do it more. All of these doublers and triplers require a board state which (playgroup dependent) can be a bad thing or a not so bad thing. I think when evaluating cards like this, command zone is usually not so high on them because of their particular play group. This is something that would get removed fast so they have to get their value from it fast. But at your average night of commander at the LGS this type of effect wins games in casual settings when case late game with a board state. And that’s something I wish they would relate to a bit more. It’s a really good card in casual settings, but not in their playgroup.
Ojer Taq would work well in a convoke deck with ETB triggers that create tokens, and/or when paired with Wand of the Worldsoul - Divine Convocation precon is ideally/already setup for this kind of synergy.
Not even a segment on Thousand moons smithy? The 4 mana artifact that makes a Karnstruct++ on etb, then flips into a land the makes one ot those tokens (almost) every subsequent turn . That's my pick for best new card in the set. Followed closely by roaming throne.
Dauntless dismantler already shuts off the treasures made with old gnawbone that turn, regardless if they have an instant or not. Food is also very popular since the LOTR precon and even clue and map tokens. Blow m up for 1 W is pretty good. Even artifacts lands. Osgir f.i. will not be happy to see this hit the board
Liked the video a lot, thanks for posting. I do have one comment though - I think you guys are really digging to find some sort of negative to Redemption Choir. I do not think it's going to be that hard to hit coven on curve.
I think it will be rare that you want to play it on curve since you need coven active AND have something in your graveyard. So I don't think it's bad but as Josh mentioned later it might still be a t6 ish play.
I totally agree with the assessment of Ojer Taq. I pulled them, and it immediately went into my Hazezon deck. In most situations, though, it is just a "win more" type of thing.
Roaming Throne is going straight into my Volo, Guide to Monsters deck (once I find a copy of it). I might lose value by not having other triggered abilities doubled, but I feel having more copies of creatures Volo makes is worth it (eg Volo on field, cast RT and doubled from no other golems, and play any other creature like Mulldrifter - 8 cards thank you very much).
Ojer Taq is really good in a Bernard ginger sculptor deck since when your creatures die they come back as food golem artifact creature, plus they get +2/+2 and trample. You turn 1 creature into 3 tokens. From experience, it got really out of hand really fast especially when you are either cheat it out or ramp into it.
Roaming Throne is a slam dunk in N'ghathrod, being a Tribal Commander with 2 triggered abilities Both WHO and LCI had some playable horrors, slowly but surely making it out of battlecruiser with this one
I want to use Ojer Tag in exactly one deck, and that's Darien, King of Kjeldor. The fact that it only triples creatures means I don't want to use it in MOST token decks, because most of those tend to push things like Treasures or Food and this won't do anything for that. Having a third multiplier for tokens in mono white is very helpful, though.
I think brass's Tunel Grinder is very powerfull. its a wheel on a permanent which makes it kinda busted, as it can be flickered by eg. displacer kitten, reanimated and saced by goblin whelder effects (eg. Osgir) bounced by your Interaction-Bounce spells and recast if you have to, you also don't even have to discard your whole hand and its only for you which gets around the common wheel problem of drawing opponents into interaction.
I still can't believe that we're evaluating creatures only in value terms. A 5mv 5/5 with two keywords plus upside is nuts, specially if you consider that dino decks don't have the same level of creatures as dragon decks. Yes, impulse draw is worse than regular draw, but how many times a card that can impulse draw has given us value just by impulse drawing? If I get two treasures on upkeep I'm happy, if I get two bodies on upkeep I'm happy. I'm fine with not every ability being an etb. Also, attacking into a 3/1 is super annoying.
You don't get two of either if you exile two cards of the same kind: the ability can only create one treasure or one creature token. But you do get one of each if you exile one of each. (The thing is still great, though!)
My favourite place for roaming throne is Ziatora as it practically acts as a quadrupler for her. Sac 2 things, fling each of their damages twice, and make 12 treasures. Not many cards for 4 mana can ramp you by 12.
@Carbon3440Z Hopefully they do, I really enjoy their precon upgrades and in the video for the vampire deck reveal, Jimmy did say that the vampire precon upgrade video was coming
Roaming Throne is fantastic and will definitely goes in a lot of decks. But I believe that the swords are actually their own abilities not abilities given to the creature in question
What do you think about this set? Are you excited about it? What new cards slot in perfectly to your existing commander decks?
Spelunkin?
Roaming throne in Allies!! It also is an ally entering, which triggers them as well.
Surprise you haven't talked about the soulcleaver . That card is pretty epic with juri
I attended my first prerelease with this set, and had a blast. I got some good pulls as well.
Notably with Myrim and Roaming Throne, ward is a triggered ability so each copy of roaming throne will make opponents pay multiple times to get past ward.
so Myrim, roaming throne is totally a valid play.
Exactly - playing the Throne with Miirym on the board will already give you 2 more Thrones for a total of 3.
Now ward triggers 3 additional times when Miirym or a Throne gets targeted aka making them pay 8 mana to not get their spell/ability countered....
At this point a boardwipe is needed or its basically over already.
Roaming throne just seems like a no brainer. Get lucky in opening hand. Play Myrim. Get 2 thrones. Now everything u do for the rest of the game is tripled. 3 copies of all dragons and most dragons that you would run in that deck have attack triggered abilities.
Added roaming throne to the merfolk deck and it became nuts. Once it was out I created a 36/36 by turn 3 or 4. Plus there were just two creatures with wards on them and it made the board untouchable.
Doesn't work with markhov does it?
Sword of X and Y cycle doesn't get any benefit from Roaming Throne. The triggered abilities are on the swords themselves, not the equipped creatures.
Literally about to type this in
animate the swords with karn or something lmao
@thestarscape2446 Also doesn't work, since they trigger off the equipped creature doing something.
Ojer Taq - I plan to have it in my deck that has Vishgraz, the Doomhive in it. If I have Far Traveler or Teleportation Circle out (I also have Anointed Procession and Doubling Season in this deck) then at end step I blink Vishgraz and get 9 mites with toxic 1. Sure, there are board wipes or give everything a -1/-1 that can take them out, but I've got multiple ways to make a lot of toxic tokens. Best case and I have Ojer Taq and 2 doublers out then I blink for 15 mites. I get that it takes a turn to fully benefit, but it's going in every white token deck I have. It's not always going to be able to be dealt with, and if it gets killed, it the tokens remain, then I'm easily attacking with 3 and getting it back. OR... in my planeswalker party deck. Many planeswalkers make tokens. I can put this out with 4 planeswalkers and 3 are probably going to make 1 token. Pop them all off and I've got 9 tokens in 1 turn.
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"We are just not gonna give him vampires. And also, we are going to attack him. Just like with an Esper Sentinel or Rhystic Study."
That's bold to say after a Game Knights where Jimmy just drew 35 cards off of a Rhytic Study.
The difference is you have the choice. Tap my artifact or not. When playing playing against Rhystic Study you have the option of not playing the card you want or play it. There is a huge difference in the impact. You can still play the spell which gives you the artifact, they just enter tapped.
Ojer taq , considering the grand scheme, staples in nicely into 2 of my favorite decks…
Ratadrabik…even at 6 mana, by that stage you will almost always have a sac outlet and Rata online …
Vishgraz… any blinking takes place with those two in play…it’s time to call the Orkin man..!😅
“We’ve got a real game of thrones”
That deserved a laugh!! Rachel that was hilarious 🤣
When will you do the vampire precon
Great card analysis of Ojer Taq.
Matzalantli went straight into my Tayam deck. It plays a lot of permanents, mills, can be picked with Tayam, and the colourless mana is great for activating it.
Dracosaur and Roaming Throne easily found spots in Miirym.
Great set!
Rise of the witch-king is another great reanimation card that returns any permanent if you sac a creature to it plus your opponents will be potentially sacrificing a creature as well. Only cost one more than squirming emergence and doesn’t have the fathomless descent restriction
Can confirm, roaming throne is a little silly in yuriko if opponents don't feel like removing it.... Through the ward.... And the counterspell in my hand.... And the faithful guardianship in my hand....
Also I just realised that The Myriad Pools is a cast trigger, so on cast you can turn your land into blightsteel even if the blightsteel you tried to cast got countered. That seems pretty good actually.
Unwinding clock does not work with the millennium calendar, as it says "during your untap step", I was thinking to use this with Clara Oswald who "REALLY' likes time counters.
Cards that “don’t do anything when you play them” are still good most people just play them wrong like if you have end step, upkeep, or battle phase triggers, they go off immediately.
Played with pit of offerings last night, held it in my hand for a while and it done pretty well, exiled 3 cards from players and those cards would've helped them if they got them back again
"With our play group, we will agree to not give them vampires. It's like rhystic study" while every game whoever plays study draws like 10 cards. 😂
I think you’re underrating Matzalantli pretty heavily. I’m usually happy to play it on 3 and just loot for awhile. I play it in Ellie and Alan and Meren, neither of which I’m doing hardcore self-mill, and it’s drawing me several cards and furthering my game plan the whole time.
Put of offerings has been underwhelming. It’s not mana fixing, it’s graveyard hate with upside. I ended up exiling my own jarad in meren last night. Talk about feels bad.
Surprised no one mentioned Roaming Throne and Cascade. The First Sliver says yes please
26:02 Dauntless wipes artifacts with EXACTLY MV X
Not sure Elf is a "for sure no" with Lathriel as your commander, Doubles her combat damage trigger, rhys the exiled, dwynen, marwyn, wolverine riders, warmaster, lys alana, gala greeters, poison tip, nissa resurgent animist, etc. Several staples so not sure why its a for sure a no go, its seems definitely enough value for consideration. In a lot of cases , just boosting a repeatable commander trigger is worth the add.
I used Zoyawa's Justice on a Nuturing Bristleback (CMC 7) before blockers were declared to try to get my small creatures in and win the game. My opponent shuffled it back and allowed me to cut and he discovered the same Nuturing Bristleback which is a 5/5 that also creates a 3/3. SMH during the pre-release.
RE Roaming Throne: In Minn, you're not naming Illusion, you're naming Wizard, and getting both doubled tokens and doubled put-into-play abilities. It's a counter doubler in Denry. And in Liara...Oh, Liara. 1 mana to cast, double impulse draw, 6 mana discount.
I love the ep
its an interesting conversation on the Card Ojer Taq, and I agree with the assessment, but Josh ended it stating its over priced, most of the doublers are over $40, and the other new one is the only other one below $30, this card is getting slotted in because people cant financially afford the doublers, and the slots are not better filled with other cards right?
How would myriad pools and a card like nyxbloom ancient work? Since myriad pools would produce triple mana, couldn’t you use the mana for multiple spells and get multiple permanents to become a copy of those spells?
Important note, Contest of Claws works on your own creatures.
Roaming Throne and Illustrious Wanderglyph are just PERFECT for Urza, Chief Artificer
Correct me if I’m wrong but “sword of X and X”s don’t work with Roaming throne because they don’t give the ability to the creature.
You're right!
Permission / Denied
Target spell gains "this spell can't be countered" / counter target noncreature spell
Maybe that's a way to make it modal? Either you can protect a permanent while it's on the stack, or you can protect the permanent after it lands.
No idea what the mana cost for those modes would be though. W/U? W1/U?
The way you make it work both ways as they say on the video is by saying "counter _up to_ one target spell".
Roaming Throne plus Volo go VROOOOOOM....
Would bloodletter work with mishra on gaining life?
I can't wait to put, cosmic serpent and roaming throne together
I think that Kitesail Larcenist is extremely pushed.
New Card in Ravnica Remastered: Tripling Season for 2 and a green 😂
There it was! In the card kingdom promo "you need 37 lands"! Jimmy, Josh, were you listening???? You BOTH ran 35 lands in the last game knights! You lack discipline 😤
Solphim mayhem dominus is red bloodletter
isnt Tisharnas Tidebinder a janky way of getting around hexproof or shroud aswel?
Yeah, that works.
Roaming throne is insane in sam and frodo
Thought the sam thing!
Gonna add it to my food-deck real quick then :D
But josh and Rachel ojer taq is so fun though!
Video starts at 5:45
I need to play Redemption Choir in my Leinore Deck. It hits 60% of the deck cmc wise including lands, lifelink is nice for desperate times, Sun Titan is to expensive and to non-human for the deck and since Leinore has Coven herself, i don´t care about this requirment on Redemption Choir.
Roaming throne with soul caldron ?
Nooo.... I need to see Vampires upgrade please make it!!!
Ayyyy im early! This set looks super strong!
Wanderglyph is going in Gingerbread and Alibou for me
Ultra Magnus
Can u untap stuff for calendar to work cuz card reads during untap step
No, but you can untap the calendar itself to activate its ability multiple times each turn.
You don't get priority during the untap step, so you can't cast any spells or activate any abilities. (Unless an effect lets you, but I don't recall any effects doing that.)
Millennium Calendar seems like a card that was printed solely because Gavin Verhey wanted to hear Rachel read it out loud.
Roaming Throne, goes straight into my Ayula deck. Beastmode.
Roaming throne is insane in about every deck...
As a small point of fact, Bronzebeak Foragers is actually the card that you and Prof played your game of chicken with at 20 minutes into the episode, Kitesail Larcenist is the card Jimmy used to protect his commander from his own Toxic Deluge at 1:18 minutes into the episode. Though both work similarly
I’m surprised you didn’t mention at all that ojer taq’s ability only applies to creature tokens. to me, that’s the biggest issue of the card. not the cost or lack of protection. it’s comboing with smothering tithe and academy manufacturer and those types of cards that make token doublers so powerful. being limited to creature tokens is by far its biggest issue.
The problem with "Roaming Throne" is that it goes into way too many decks. So, every game you see one or more of this same card and it's an obnoxious card. :/
Also, it does too much and is even a decent beater for not that much mana and easy to cast.
Dracosaur fits into a neat little niche where it either gets instantly removed pulling hate away from your real threats, or it sticks around long enough to pull in a crazy amount of value over time.
How is that a niche? That's just the definition of a bomb.
I hate that it does nothing the turn it drops, most tables will remove it before you get advantage which could be good or bad I guess
I still love that card. He's a beefy flyer with first strike. That gives you 3/1 dinosaur tokens, treasures, and impulse draws. What's not to like???
Dauntless Dismantler - 25:35 Not X or less.. it's X only. So pick a value for X and only those MV get popped.
Came here to say this 😂
Ojer Taq does have its flaws, but it's also half the price of anointed procession 🤔
Man… your take on Ojer Taq was just depressing. This isn’t an attack on you guys just an assessment of the state of casual play. I am a kitchen table player mostly, and your sentiment is pretty similar to what I see at my local shop. This kinda thing really makes me feel like casual is dying. I remember days of playing 6 mana do nothings that catapulted me to victory next turn and this card is perfect for that. Like why do I want my games to be over once someone gets 8 mana? I know the game has to end and I don’t begrudge that. For me though the proper time feels more like turns 9-12 rather than turns 5-8. The format seems to get faster and faster by the day. Where would this card have to sit to be exciting? At 4 mana?
Like you guys have to give your opinion and I respect that but it doesn’t mean I’m not going to lament this downward spiral magic has been in for years. To be clear the days of paying 6 mana for a 4/4 with flying were both boring and tedious. I don’t want to go back to that. But 6 mana for a 6/6 token trippler seems fair. Where like Bonehoard Dracosaur should probably have been a 3/3. The ability on average making you either 1 treasure or a 3/1 token body both of which are worth about 1 mana, as well as impulse drawing you 2 cards which is also worth 1 mana, put that on a 3/3 body with two keywords which I value at between 3 and 4 mana and that card is perfect. Bloodletter of Aclazotz is perfect as 2/4 body with one keyword worth about 3 mana, but also has an ability that contextually doubles the effectiveness of itself and other cards which is worth at least 2 maybe 3 mana, discounted by 1 because it has three pips in it’s cost, makes it just about perfect. Could cost 2, black, black, black but there is a fair debate to be had there.
Ojer Taq fits really well in Atla Palani.
3 eggs can represent almost 18+ mana in value if all your creatures 6cmc or greater.
I tend to find this best because that’s the investment for Atla (4 cast + 2 tap)
its even better when you think about the fact that Ojer Taq will most likely be cheated into play via an egg negating the downside of the CMC
11:05 When I was a kid we had a similar “escape from a room with no windows or doors” word puzzle thing. Ours involved a table though.
He’s trapped in a room, with no windows or doors, or exits of any sort. Just a table and you. How did he get out?
He looked around and saw. He used the saw to cut the table in half. Two half’s makes a whole. He crawled out of the hole, and ran away.
One of my favourites from this set is the Roaming Throne. Going into about 5 of my decks. Such a good and versatile card.
Probably the best tribal card ever
When is the vampire precon upgrade??
Roaming Throne goes crazy hard in Volo, Guide to Monsters. Suddenly, you get 4x creatures from all future creatures spells.
Maybe too hard...
YES! Love Roaming Throne in Volo but the math makes my head hurt lmao... Especially with multiple Volo's and multiple thrones on board
For Ojer Taq, i absolutely intend to put one in my Council of Four deck, in a turn cycle i can make up to 12 2/2 Knights, only potentially needing to spend two mana on my turn to make 3
I like Pit of Offerings in a five color deck actually. Exiling one multi-colored from a single graveyard is pretty do-able and makes this a guildgate. Hitting any three mono-colored cards makes it on par with seaside citadel. I see it as a (worse) version of Exotic Orchard.
Love Ojer Taq but agreed that it's a 'win more'. Feels amazing when you get it to go off but if you can get it to go off you we're almost certainly on the cusp of victory anyway.
One deck I know for certain that loves Ojer Taq is my Ratadrabik deck. Tripling up the copied legendary tokens is crazy.
Make a game night vid bro
Ojer Taq I think would excel in a Kykar deck, since it can produce spirits quite easily and fuel creating even more. Besides flooding the board with access to haste enablers or something like impact tremors can quickly take over.
I'm super excited to pair Roaming Throne with The Mycotyrant. Makes tyrant bigger on ETB and doubles the amount of fungus tokens you get at the end of your turn, I'll take it!
As a note- Tyrant’s power/toughness scaling are not an ETB, it’s continuously checked based on your board. The endstep trigger is great though!
@@MarineS0n2 correct! Roaming throne becomes a creature type when it ETBs. So theoretically if you're playing on curve: tyrant on three, throne on four (naming fungus or saproling). This gives your tyrant an extra power/toughness as another fungus or saproling has been played.
Pit of Offerings isn’t actually that bad in your opening hand because you don’t typically have a lot of one drops. You play it turn 1 and then play your two drops on turn two and it’s just a colorless land. Not great by any means but not awful. On turns 2-5 this might be bad. Then it takes you land drop and doesn’t do much if there aren’t any good targets. But equally it will sometimes snipe really important pieces from graveyard decks. And it is a land so it has some use eventually. Not exciting but good for budget and decent for grave decks where you probably will be able to make this tap for all your colors.
Zoyowa's justice in The War Doctor... targetting your own 1 CMC spell should net a few time counters.
You might even get your card back... I don't play Sol Ring, but imagine tapping a sol ring to float 2, cast Zoyowa's justice, and getting your sol ring back.
Getting an Ojer Taq soon to put in my Quintorious, Loremaster deck. Just basically a nice way to create extra Spirits to sac for free instants/sorceries along with blockers/attackers. I’ve got every iteration of him too, so plenty of tokens on the same turn Ojer Taq enters the battlefield without having to pay mana.
Bonehoard Dracosaur gives me a third worthwhile dragon to cheat out with Magda in Prosper
Mondrak and Ojer Taq are in my Atla deck with a lot of worldspine wurm/coil engine creatures so they works both with the commander and the die effect of the other creatures in my deck. Ojer is also great with sneak attack as it sticks around instead of going to the graveyard. Run it with myriad creatures like the beefy 8/6 trampler and go to town
Did I just hear JLK said "it was at 74 that means it's uh 128"? Is that him being sarcastic? Anyway I'm always a fan even though I no longer play magic. Too busy at work. Love from the Philippines 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
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So from the Ojer Taq conversation, that card is super good as a commander. Fill your deck with the planeswalkers that make creatures and the attacker cards that make creatures. Then you’re getting the benefit of Taq several times in the same turn.
Okay so I understand their point of view with Ojer Taq. Of course it’s not efficient to play ojer for 6 on turn 6 then say go. These double and triple effects in my mind are almost considered “win more” to me. Like you’re already doing a thing but now I’m gonna cast this and do it more. All of these doublers and triplers require a board state which (playgroup dependent) can be a bad thing or a not so bad thing. I think when evaluating cards like this, command zone is usually not so high on them because of their particular play group. This is something that would get removed fast so they have to get their value from it fast. But at your average night of commander at the LGS this type of effect wins games in casual settings when case late game with a board state. And that’s something I wish they would relate to a bit more. It’s a really good card in casual settings, but not in their playgroup.
Ojer Taq would work well in a convoke deck with ETB triggers that create tokens, and/or when paired with Wand of the Worldsoul - Divine Convocation precon is ideally/already setup for this kind of synergy.
Not even a segment on Thousand moons smithy? The 4 mana artifact that makes a Karnstruct++ on etb, then flips into a land the makes one ot those tokens (almost) every subsequent turn . That's my pick for best new card in the set. Followed closely by roaming throne.
Ya that’s one of my favorite cards from the set!
Smithy is a phenomenal card and a must have in Artifacts matter decks.
Dauntless dismantler already shuts off the treasures made with old gnawbone that turn, regardless if they have an instant or not. Food is also very popular since the LOTR precon and even clue and map tokens. Blow m up for 1 W is pretty good. Even artifacts lands. Osgir f.i. will not be happy to see this hit the board
Liked the video a lot, thanks for posting. I do have one comment though - I think you guys are really digging to find some sort of negative to Redemption Choir. I do not think it's going to be that hard to hit coven on curve.
I think it will be rare that you want to play it on curve since you need coven active AND have something in your graveyard.
So I don't think it's bad but as Josh mentioned later it might still be a t6 ish play.
I totally agree with the assessment of Ojer Taq. I pulled them, and it immediately went into my Hazezon deck. In most situations, though, it is just a "win more" type of thing.
Roaming Throne is going straight into my Volo, Guide to Monsters deck (once I find a copy of it). I might lose value by not having other triggered abilities doubled, but I feel having more copies of creatures Volo makes is worth it (eg Volo on field, cast RT and doubled from no other golems, and play any other creature like Mulldrifter - 8 cards thank you very much).
I've had a couple games with my Oloro deck where The Millennium Calendar wouldn't have killed me. Great episode guys, thanks for the deep dive!
Anything that makes you not lose life prevents the kill, anyway, even if your life total isn't that high. (For instance, Teferi's Protection works.)
Ojer Taq is really good in a Bernard ginger sculptor deck since when your creatures die they come back as food golem artifact creature, plus they get +2/+2 and trample. You turn 1 creature into 3 tokens. From experience, it got really out of hand really fast especially when you are either cheat it out or ramp into it.
Ya I think it’s great with brenard. Just wait to play it until you have a free sac outlet and just triple your board state
I had it out and played Steve, it was nice to get 4 lands at instant speed @@daneburke6592 😆
I'm actually excited to play my Ojer Taq deck. Im using Graaz as a token finisher. It will be glorious, and yes.... I pulled mine.
Roaming Throne is a slam dunk in N'ghathrod, being a Tribal Commander with 2 triggered abilities
Both WHO and LCI had some playable horrors, slowly but surely making it out of battlecruiser with this one
Roaming Throne goes into my Tivit, Seller of Secrets deck. That is insane value.
Love Roaming Throne for Orvar on wizards. Not only do I get extra Orvar triggers, but all my other wizards get their triggers doubled. Super strong.
the tidebinder works well too. multiple token copies for on board repeatable stifles that just shut off multiple targets by having multiple bodies
I want to use Ojer Tag in exactly one deck, and that's Darien, King of Kjeldor. The fact that it only triples creatures means I don't want to use it in MOST token decks, because most of those tend to push things like Treasures or Food and this won't do anything for that. Having a third multiplier for tokens in mono white is very helpful, though.
Roaming throne was almost printed to go right into the new Hakbal deck
I think brass's Tunel Grinder is very powerfull. its a wheel on a permanent which makes it kinda busted, as it can be flickered by eg. displacer kitten, reanimated and saced by goblin whelder effects (eg. Osgir) bounced by your Interaction-Bounce spells and recast if you have to, you also don't even have to discard your whole hand and its only for you which gets around the common wheel problem of drawing opponents into interaction.
Roaming Throne is perfect for Captain N'ghathrod. On curve, becomes a horror and and doubles the trigger
I still can't believe that we're evaluating creatures only in value terms. A 5mv 5/5 with two keywords plus upside is nuts, specially if you consider that dino decks don't have the same level of creatures as dragon decks. Yes, impulse draw is worse than regular draw, but how many times a card that can impulse draw has given us value just by impulse drawing? If I get two treasures on upkeep I'm happy, if I get two bodies on upkeep I'm happy. I'm fine with not every ability being an etb.
Also, attacking into a 3/1 is super annoying.
You don't get two of either if you exile two cards of the same kind: the ability can only create one treasure or one creature token. But you do get one of each if you exile one of each. (The thing is still great, though!)
@@therealax6 missed that, thanks!
I think Roaming throne will be a home run in prosper the tome bound
My favourite place for roaming throne is Ziatora as it practically acts as a quadrupler for her. Sac 2 things, fling each of their damages twice, and make 12 treasures. Not many cards for 4 mana can ramp you by 12.
Wait so no precon upgrade for vampires?😢
I only have checked their videos 5 times today for the precon upgrade😅
Hope they still bring it out.
@Carbon3440Z Hopefully they do, I really enjoy their precon upgrades and in the video for the vampire deck reveal, Jimmy did say that the vampire precon upgrade video was coming
I want Roaming Throne for my Miirym deck
I’m putting ojer taq in myrel soldiers, seems good for creating tokens on attack
Yep, Adeline as well.
Roaming Throne is fantastic and will definitely goes in a lot of decks. But I believe that the swords are actually their own abilities not abilities given to the creature in question
Dauntless dissmantler doesnt say x or less. It says with mana value x. Thats way worse
I'm not sure it's worse. You can blow up your opponents' treasures for 1 mana without destroying your artifacts.
Bloodletter is going in my Timothar deck. Very powerful and a Vampire! Another combo Vampire for Blood Tribute besides Vito is awesome.