Anime scaling be like: "The Japanese version of Episode 160 says Cell has infinite power and is a 'God of Destruction' in the title card, therefore Cell must be GoD level in his perfect form!"
Yeah, we shouldn't take what's stated in the anime as more reliable than what is literally shown. The anime will say abbreviated versions of what is said in the manga or things to make the situation seem more dire. We should always go back to the original source for the absolute correct answer for these types of questions even if Toriyama said that he considers the anime another legitimate version (of course he would, why would he want to put down the work that others have put into his own series). And in the original manga, it is very clear that Buuhan is stronger than kid buu.
Unfortunately I've seen some scalers try to use that "infinite power" quote to massively wank DBZ unironically. As if Toriyama actually intended Cell to be infinitely strong and for everyone afterwards to be higher dimensional entities.
@@aguythatsit.7725ur not this dumb irl i refuse to believe that…wtf do u mean a zenkai boost…zenkai boost from what bruh??? they didnt almost die at any point during the buuhan fight…they were no where near close to death and vegeta was already dead what fuckin zenkai boost would they have got..plz tell me
@@G8Dz1LL4 when kid buu when to the afterlife before he started beating up every he literally looked at krillain and the others. Also when goku and vegeta raised thier powers kid buu stopped what he was doing and left the afterlife not to mention that when kid buu fought goku and vegeta kid buu was dancing and laughing at them. So no he's not mindless kid buu knows what he's doing
I genuienly dont believe how anyone can believe kid buu is stronger than buuhan The video is really good though and I love how the anime can genuinely give people the misconception that kid buu is stronger than buuhan
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@HavokUnbound and later this is stated. DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@SuperKamiGuruu soo despite common sense we'll just go with one of the many dbz translation errors to back up the argument.. even tho in anime kid buu has always been relative to ssj3 goku... The same goku that refused to fight super buu and had to fuse to fight him but hey.. what do I know lol
@@SuperKamiGuruu I'll go with what's shown over what's stated.. the dbz anime states kid buu is the strongest even tho in anime that's not what's presented to us
My take is this. It's blatant that Buuhan is the strongest in the manga like was said here, nothing really contradicts this since statements saying Kid Buu is the strongest Buu are filler only. So no argument in that. As for the anime, we do get statements of Kid Buu being the strongest Buu etc. However we also still get statements from Buutenks just like in the manga that he is the strongest Buu ever, clearly referring to his past forms which he has as a reference, which would include Kid Buu, which directly contradicts the filler statements that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. People will often claim Kid Buu or Buuhan are the strongest based on these statements as the main argument. So how do we reconcile this and make both true? We could say the filler statements are only referring to the pure Buu forms, or Buu in general as a whole to eliminate the inconsistency making Buutenks stronger than Kid Buu like he claims, but still having Kid Buu be the strongest pure Buu form, since the absorptions can be considered external power ups. That way it satisfies both statements. Also the Gohan and Gotenks battle in Buu is screwy scaling wise. They literally have base Goku fight Gohan, then he has to power up to SSJ and they still fight closely anyway, implying Gohan was not using his full power from the start. Also Piccolos SBC literally defeats SSJ3 Gotenks which makes no sense power scaling wise if they are the same power as the originals. So I don't feel using that set of interactions to seriously scale their power is viable given the multiple massive inconsistencies in them. Also worth noting is personally I take OG manga>Anime when inconsistency arise like this, so I'd go with AT original scale of Buutenks>Kid Buu. Also Koyama has said more than once he feels that Buuhan is the strongest, even when shown the Kid Buu screen caps for what that's worth. There are some guides or secondary summaries that side either way with both, but they are secondary sources that don't hold as much weight as the actual manga and anime, so more like foot notes, and neither side is blatantly favored in every source anyway. Overall I'd say Buuhan and Buutenks are above Kid Buu in anime and manga, although anime has a few contradictory filler statements that at least have to put him above pure Super Buu if we try to keep all the statements consistent.
DBZ Manga and DBZ KAI Anime are Not 2 separate continuities. They are one. For example DB Super & DBZ Anime & DBZ Battle Of Gods Canon Movie are all 3 separate continuities. Meaning, similar or near identical battles take place, but not always in the same exact location. In the movie they at capsule corp, in the manga and anime they are on a boat. When Saiyan God Goku fights Lord Beerus. In DBZ Manga & DBZ KAI Anime both take place all the same location. All fights are versus the same villains in the exact time. The only difference is the anime gives far more detail and greater depth to the story. Concept ideas Toriyama would’ve put in the Manga if he had more time. This is why Akira Toriyama stated DBZ Manga & DBZ KAI Anime are Synonymous to each other. Which literally means they are One. And should be regarded as One. The Manga is 1st, The Bible If you will. The Anime 2nd, example upon the Manga. Yet and still. They are both canon bcuz Toriyama stated they are Synonymous. The word synonymous means the Manga DBZ & The Anime DBZ Kai are One. That also means all filler in Kai is canon bcuz non of it deviates from the story. The opposite is true of Old School DBZ Anime, which is why it is no longer canon. That’s why it is impossible to say Buuhan is The Strongest In The Manga, and Kid Buu is The Strongest in The Anime. Complete contradiction that comes from a complete misunderstanding of what took place in real time. Doin that is like sayin on paper (manga) 2+2 = 4. But in real life (anime) 2+2 = 5. That is gettin it wrong on purpose bcuz u don’t want the two correlations to reach the same conclusion, make the same connection. That is fallacy, that is wrong. In both Manga DBZ & DBZ KAI, The Storytelling perspective, the journey and the conclusion is The Same. Any desperation is from fans false interpretation and misunderstanding. 1) Super Buu (SSJ3 Gotenks Absorbed) & Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed) are The Strongest Versions of Super Buu. 2) SSJ3 Goku was heavily suppressed vs Fat Buu. Nowhere near his Maximum Power Level. Goku promised Fat Buu, he would bring forth a Fighter Stronger than himself. Which is true, to a degree. SSJ3 Gotenks Maximum Power Level is equal to Super Buu. Makin SSJ3 Gotenks Stronger than a Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku. If SSJ3 Goku were not heavily suppressed, he’d be Stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks bare minimum. 3) Both Goku & Gohan are Massively, Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than Super Buu (Piccolo Absorbed). We know this bcuz prior to this moment. Super Buu (SSJ3 Gotenks Absorbed) was Massively, Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than both Goku & Gohan. Both Goku & Gohan fought Buutenks. Goku put up a much better fight than Gohan did. Both were outclassed, where Gohan was mudstomped, Goku could at least hold his own, somewhat. This is tellin us sonethin right here. Remember Gohan > Super Buu. Goku & Gohan > Super Buu + Piccolo. Buutenks > Goku & Gohan. What’s more, this was originally Gohan’s fight. Goku interfered in both Manga DBZ & The Anime DBZ KAI. The only reason why Goku interfered in Gohan vs Buutenks is bcuz Gohan was about to be killed by Buutenks. Goku stepped in, thus takin over the fight. At this moment, Buutenks is smiling and confident. Everybody knows Buutenks holds the major advantage over SSJ3 Goku in this moment. SSJ3 Goku is still suppressed, but not heavily suppressed. We know this bcuz Goku neva revealed his Maximum Power Level until he fought Kid Buu. That is somethin The Old School Kung Fu Martial Arts Masters do. Take note. Goku knows both he and Gohan are at a huge disadvantage. Therefore he seeks to fuse with his Son to gain the Overwhelming advantage over Buutenks. Buutenks is Supremely Confident, when Goku & Gohan are worried. Goku only had confidence bcuz he was about to fuse with Gohan. When Gohan lost the Potarra Earring, Goku got scared. Then something unexpected happened. Buutenks reverted to Super Buu + Piccolo > Super Buu. Notice how Super Buu + The added Power Level & Intellect of Piccolo instantly became worried vs Goku. Remember, Goku is his opponent now. Buutenks was supremely confident when he was vs SSJ3 Goku. Both in the manga and anime, bcuz Goku interfered, saving Gohan’s life. Now that Buutenks reverted into Super Buu + Piccolo, a much Stronger version than Super Buu w/o any absorption. Super Buu + Piccolo is now extremely terrified of Goku, SSJ3 Goku now. Gohan was still scared & confused cuz he had no idea what was goin on. Goku stating in the Manga that “Gohan can handle you now” does show Gohan regained the advantage in the fight. Even though Goku Neva says “I’m Stronger than u now too.” He does not have to. Why? Bcuz the context that conveys this is Goku & Super Buu + Piccolo’s changed facial expressions. Goku went from being the scared one, when Buutenks, happy, mind u, about to attack SSJ3 Goku. Switched to Buutenks mid attack upon Goku, revert to Super Buu + Piccolo. Now Super Buu (Piccolo Absorbed) is angry and upset, while Goku is now happy, smiling overjoyed and confident expression on his face. These facial expressions say it all. Goku’s facial expression says I’m far Stronger than u now. I don’t need to interfere o Gohan’s behalf, bcuz now Gohan is far stronger than u too. I can let Gohan handle it from here, bcuz I’m stepping back now. Boom, there it is. Also, Akira Toriyama b4 his transition. “It was the use of ki that allowed Goku (Not Gohan) to Be The Strongest In The Universe.” I added the (Not Gohan) part in the quote, to showcase that quote is connected to Goku alone, in exclusive connection to The Buu Arc. 4) Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe in The Frieza Arc. Gohan Is The Strongest In The Universe In The Cell Arc. Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe in The Buu Arc. Any fan stating Gohan is The Strongest in The Buu arc is speakin a complete contradiction against Toriyama’s most famous quote referencing Goku as “The Strongest In The Universe.” During The Buu Arc. This not complicated, it’s just disingenuous fans make it complicated. 5) Furthermore in both The Manga DBZ & The Anime DBZ KAI.. Goku stated they needed The Potara Fusion just to beat Kid Buu. Goku & Vegeta went from being Overconfident in their 1st estimation of Kid Buu. Til after they fought him. Then learned a secret. Kid Buu was Absurdly Heavily Suppressing his Immense Power Level. This secret it the key to why Kid Buu is so OP. Super Buu also suppressed his power level all the way down to 1 or 0, to escape being killed by Gohan. 6) Vegito was needed to defeat Buutenks & Buuhan. Goku specifically stated, Vegito was needed to beat Kid Buu. This means Kid Buu, Buuhan & Buutenks are relative bcuz all 3 can only be defeated by Vegito or SSJ Vegito. Bcuz Kid Buu is the Strongest, Stronger than Buuhan, Vegito is weaker than Kid Buu, and would need to go Super Saiyan just to beat Kid Buu. 7) Kid Buu fought SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Fat Buu, Mr. Satan. All of these Z fighters are at vastly different levels of Power. Goku Being The Strongest of them all by far. Vegeta even refused to bring Gohan & SSJ3 Gotenks. Why? Bcuz Goku was The Strongest of The 3. If Goku couldn’t beat Kid Buu, none of them could. He was simply far too Powerful. Gohan even had dialogue in both the manga & anime that if his father lost to Kid Buu, The entire Universe would be destroyed. That’s admission that Goku is Stronger than him. And the final nail in the coffin. Goku gathered “ki” energy from all the Z fighters, including Gohan. Goku stated that was nowhere enough “ki” energy to destroy Kid Buu. That meant the Spirit Bomb at the moment was far weaker than Kid Buu. Goku needed all the energy in The Universe just reach a power level far Stronger than Kid Buu. Kid Buu was able to push back The Strongest Spirit Bomb ever created. Kid Buu Being The Strongest and The Original Majin Buu, Goku made sure he was reincarnated to fight him again one day. Goku only spares or makes special requests for The Strongest. Dragon Ball Z Battle Of Gods reiterated Goku Being The Strongest In The Universe during The Buu Arc. The Super Manga revealed a secret that Kid Buu had Divine Ki within him. Makin him far more powerful, than how OP he already was.
@@jordanglasper1064 Holy Jesus I don't think many are gonna read all that lol. Goku faring "better" against Buutenks is pretty simple. Goku likes to fight. He likes to fight even when his opponent is a lot stronger. Gohan was stronger, but still rusty and his brother and basically nephew and then his mentor all his life were just absorbed. He seemed more shook about that than anything else Anyway, Gohan is stronger. If it bothers you that I'm not gonna read one of the longest YT comments I've read in the 18 years I've been on youtube, sorry not sorry lol. I mean you just called Mr. Satan a "Z fighter" lmao what. Please log off from the internet for a little while because I think you're confusing yourself and anyone who attempts to read this comment. Also, DBZ Battle of Gods makes no such mention of Goku being the strongest in the universe in the Buu arc? You're remembering wrong, or watched it in some strange dub based on your grammar. All that was said is that Goku was there to take care of every threat, which wasn't really true to begin with considering Gohan was the one to beat Cell, everyone chipped in to defeat Vegeta but technically Gohan won at the end luck or not. And Trunks beat Frieza, at least in the timeline the series is focused on. Also, Vegeta was the one who WANTED to bring the boys there in the first place before Earth blew up. It was simply his idea after that to use the genki dama; to have Earth fight for itself for once. Goku assumed when Vegeta had an idea that it was to bring the boys, since he'd wanted to grab them to begin with, not Mr. Satan or Dende. You're headcannoning pretty hard here my guy, because as I said, it's literally never said that he was the strongest in the Buu Saga in Battle of Gods, and you're automatically assuming what Vegeta is thinking lol. He survived several deadly attacks just as SSJ2. And he was getting pretty much as badly beaten up by Fat Buu. That would indicate that Kid Buu's power level is closer to Fat Buu's. I mean after all, even Goku who could go SSJ3 thought Super Buu, who Gohan was destroying, was too much for the efforts of himself. Did you completely forget that or what? I mean jeez... that's not just anime filler dialogue either. It's like 70% of the fandom for Dragon Ball are people that just pull things out of your ass like you have repeatedly in this overly long comment that most people aren't even going to give a serious attempt at commenting on lol. You wrote a lot of nothing, and at any rate my comment is enough to disprove basically everything you said. Most importantly, Buu SPECIFICALLY chose to absorb Gohan because he was the biggest threat there and easy to catch off guard. Goku doesn't keep his guard up well either; having the wisdom of Piccolo who knows from experience would help. So, it wouldn't have taken that much to just make him turn around and then start getting absorbed. Buu was crafty and would've done whatever he could to become not just stronger, but the *strongest*
10:04 Toriyama also had no refutes to the interviewer saying that Kid Goku was the most powerful character even though we know he was wasn't. When we look at Toriyama's response, he is just saying that he likes to make small characters strong, not that Kid Buu was the strongest form of Buu.
@@Purple_23184 Look how dumb, loud and wrong you are. Mr. Popo and Kami were stronger than Kid Goku. Someone who paid attention to the story and has good reading comprehension would know that.
It is ridiculous to even think otherwise . Buuhan slams every other version of himself . Heck normal Super Buu would clap Kid Buu , Buutenks and Buuhan are just way overkill .
Fans think that but the evidence says kud buu just depends on what you value more If you value fan belief buuhan If you care about on screen evidence kid buu
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkratoscreen evidence? You mean the mistranslation that can easily be checked? Like even screen wise goku got his a handheld to him by buuhan and then he can fight kid buu? So buuhan>goku, kid buu
Buuhan is generally considered stronger than Kid Buu. His power level, intelligence, and absorption abilities make him superior in a one-on-one fight. While Kid Buu is certainly dangerous due to his chaotic and relentless nature, Buuhan’s sheer strength, strategic mind, and versatile abilities would likely lead him to victory. Unless Kid Buu can exploit some form of unpredictability or take advantage of a mistake from Buuhan, the fight would go in Buuhan’s favor.
Sorry bro but there is no way in hell super Saiyan 3 Goku is stronger than buuhan let alone vegito that makes no sense how can he go from being weaker than buutenks who is weaker than buuhan who is weaker than base vegito this makes no sense kid Buu is weaker than buutenks it's not even close the only thing I will give kid Buu is he more dangerous and unpredictable since he has no personality.
You guys don’t understand what’s goin on, that’s why most of u are confused. Goku was never Stronger than Buutenks, Buuhan nor Kid Buu. All 3 are relative, in power level. Kid Buu is The Strongest of The 3. Just like when it comes to SSJ3 Goku, Base Form Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks.. Goku is The Strongest of the 3. We know Kid Buu is The Strongest of the 3 Majin Buu bcuz Kid Buu has statements and feats to back up his immense power. 1) Everybody always forgets, Goku stated “We need The Potara Fusion just to beat Kid Buu.” Both in The Manga & The Anime. All the while, Kid Buu was nerfed from using 100% of his Max Power Level bcuz Fat Buu inside, was limiting him from gaining access to his 100%. Also, Kid Buu kept himself heavily suppressed to fight SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Mr. Satan lol.. and Fat Buu. 2) With Fat Buu nerfing him from goin 100%, SSJ3 Goku fighting a nerfed Kid Buu, Goku states “Yoooo we need the Potara just to beat a Kid Buu, who is nowhere near full power.” Meaning Kid Buu’s heavily suppresed and nerfed 75% on top of that from Fat Buu restricting his 100%, Kid Buu’s 75% is already Stronger than Buutenks & Buuhan. We know this bcuz Goku said he needs to fuse with Vegeta, just to beat a heavily suppressed & nerfed Kid Buu. That means Kid Buu suppressed & Nerfed from Fat a Buu within.. is already at Elite Fusion Level Power. Why? It would take SSJ Vegito just to beat him. Why do I say this. Base Form Vegito is Massively Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than Buuhan. Kid Buu is far Stronger, still. Vegito would need to transform into an SSJ just beat Kid Buu. He’s not gonna need the entire 50x multiplier. Perhaps a 5x increase or a 10x increase from his Base. But Vegito would def need SSJ, even if it is a suppressed form, to not only contend with Kid Buu, but to gain the definitive advantage. Many fans often forget, power level suppression. Kid Buu loves to fight so much, he will suppress himself to at or around the power level of his opponent just to have a good fight. And also to prove he is far stronger than them. His power level neva drops, unless he fight anotha Majin Buu. And even then, goes back up to 100%. Therefore when the Z fighters hit their limit, their power levels get weaker. All of em. If Vegito in his base form, or even in his SSJ form, played too much with Kid Buu, he would lose. Bcuz Kid Buu had the greatest regeneration and his power level neva gets weaker. While, his insane rage boost could temporarily make him far stronger than SSJ Vegito. Every single Z fighter underestimated every version of Majin Buu. It nearly cost them, the entire universe. Is Super Saiyan 3 Goku Stronger than Buutenks, Buuhan & Kid Buu? Hell naw. Kid Buu suppressed himself weaker than Fat Buu when he first emerged. Shoutout to power level suppression. We know this to be true bcuz SSJ Vegeta deflected a “ki” blast. Kid Buu increased his power level far beyond Fat Buu. Then laughed & launched this 2nd “ki” blast at the planet. Many fans try to say, well SSJ2 Vegeta survived Kid Buu, so that’s that. Kid Buu again heavily suppressed himself to test Vegeta’s Strength. He loves to fight. And will suppress himself close to or just above any opponents power level, to showcase he is The Strongest. Super Saiyan 3 Goku is The Strongest out of Base Form Gohan & SSJ3 Gotenks. Just as Kid Buu is The Strongest out of Buutenks & Buuhan. This is why both Manga DBZ & Anime DBZ KAI referred to Goku vs Kid Buu as Battle of The Strongest. Kid Buu constantly kept himself suppressed throughout the fight with Goku. When Goku powered up to his Maximum Power Level as a Super Saiyan 3. Kid Buu Powered up even higher than Goku just to prove he was still Stronger than him. This was done with a quiet power up. Similar to the way Frieza did on Namek when he powered up to 50% of his Max. The difference is Kid Buu is a such a league of his own when it comes to power. There is no outward detection of him powering up bcuz he can power up instantly. This is a callback to Goku vs The Ginyu Force. Goku powered up so fast, not even their advanced scouters could detect an increase at all. The Buu Arc is full of Easter eggs to The Frieza & Cell Arc. But too many fans are blinded by their hatred to see clearly. I’m not sayin u are, but it is true for too many fans. “It Was The Use Of Ki That Allowed Goku To Become The Strongest In The Universe.” - Akira Toriyama. This quote was in reference to Goku in The Buu Arc. Dragon Ball Super Anime, & DBZ Movie 14 Battle Of Gods Reiterated Goku as The Strongest In The Universe during The Buu Arc. The amount of evidence is overwhelming. But biased fans see what they want to, instead of what genuinely is.
@@jordanglasper1064 trust me I do understand but still kid Buu is not on super Buu level sorry but no and super Saiyan 3 Goku stronger than gotenks I don't know about that what I know is ultimate Gohan is stronger than super Saiyan 3 Goku
@@jordanglasper1064 kid buu was not suppressed. fat buu only held kidbuu back from hurting Mr.Satan. Goku never said they need the Potaro. they were infact offered the Potaro and he turned it down. ssj3 goku is actually weaker than gotenks and mystic form Gohan (im assuming you thought that was base form because why bring up base form) i dont understand how anyone can argue that buu somehow got STRONGER by taking away those that he absorbed to get STRONGER. i can only understand the fat supreme kia as he was trying to hold back buu and make him weaker and kinder. and to put the final nail in this coffin, Goku would have beaten kid buu as a ssj3 if it wasnt for 1 thing, he was alive. goku trained in ssj3 in a deadbody which ki was so much different but ssj3 is very ki taxing and it not only drained him faster than he thought, he couldnt hit max strength.
@@sinoxolombovane5455 In both Manga & Anime Super Buu Buu, then transforms into Buff Buu, Buff Buu transforms into Kid Buu. Kid Buu’s power level was higher than both Buff Buu & Super Buu. Immediately after emerging, Kid Buu suppressed his power level weaker than Kid Buu. SSJ Vegeta deflected the 1st attack. Kid Buu “Powered up” an even Stronger attack, Beyond Fat Buu Level. This is a key indicator of “ki” energy suppression. This is reminiscent of Piccolo suppressing his “ki” energy when Frieza & King Cold landed on Earth, in The start of The Cell Arc. Kid Buu fought SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Mr. Satan & Fat Buu. All of em at different power levels. Yet and still.. Kid Buu fought them in a way that made them look like they all had a chance at beating him. Except for Mr. Satan, that was funny. This is power level suppression. Again, Dragon Ball Super states Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe During The Buu Arc. Uses Kid Buu Life & Death as a reference point to facilitate Goku Being The Strongest. Gohan states it. Vegeta states it. This is followed by Dragon Ball Super reiterating Goku as a the Strongest by Master Roshi in DB Super episode 90 titled “Goku vs Gohan” Master Roshi stated Goku has claimed the Mantle of Power. Gohan seeks to reclaim that mantle. Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe in The Frieza Arc. Gohan Is The Strongest In The Universe In The Cell Arc. Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe In The Buu Arc. So again, Master Roshi’s words reiterates Goku Being The Strongest since the Buu Arc, and how Gohan seeks to re-claim the Mantle of Power Goku has held for several years now. The Battle of Gods hierarchy is 1) SSJ3 Goku. 2) Gohan. 3) SSJ3 Gotenks. 4) SSJ2 Vegeta. This is the identical Hierarchy of Power In The Buu Arc. This is the reason why in B.O.G. Again, Master Roshi mentions Vegeta surpassed SSJ3 Goku. Bcuz That is The Strongest Being In The Universe, dating back to The Buu Arc. If it were Gohan, they would’ve mentioned that. Funny enough they neva did. They are well aware of power scaling,
@@SSGFlare yes he is, he is A LOT stronger than Goku who could keep up with Kid Buu, the same goku who would have been absolutely DEMOLISHED without fusion against Buuhan
@@ADioSimpthey flat out say in the mangas that during his transformation to kid buu from super buu that he is getting stronger not to mention that flat out say that kid buu got weaker from absorbing the Kai’s meaning any form of him after kid buu is automatically weaker including buuhan and buutenks yal like it’s scary how many of yal don’t have reading comprehension like yal just read shit and don’t understand what you reading it’s actually scary
@@ADioSimp literally in the anime it was stated that the clones of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo inside of Buu was just as strong as the real ones, and Goku managed to keep up with that Gohan in his base form
For the anime side, I still recall Koyama, the scenarist of the movies and multiple episodes of Z also acknowledging that Buuhan was the strongest Buu. Take that as you want but he was one of the people that did adapt the manga so his word has massive value to me.
@@blabla-fw9ix Statements and Feats are usually equal. Feats can contradict statements, and statements can contradict feats. But, the sheer amount of statements of Kid Buu being the strongest simply overwhelms any contradictions. It’s an outlier, and Kid Buu is the quantity. Kid Buu dogwalks Midhan, debate me
I think Vegeta was just referring to Goku and Kid Buu's power being in a different league compared to himself. It coincides with him accepting the fact that Goku was "better" than him. Even though that speech comes a little later.
There are a whole lot of logical leaps that you're making to make that argument. I get that Ss3 goku got stronger from his first appearance, but nowhere does it state that he surpassed Super Vegito. Never. Just because Vegeta is saying "their energy is a whole other level" doesn't mean they surpassed Vegito. In fact, it was implied that he was referring to himself in comparison to Goku and Buu. Especially since the entire fight was about Vegeta giving props to Goku for being number 1 definitively amongst the warriors he's seen. Let me remind you, Vegeta didn't see Gohan after his awakening. He didn't even have a body when he initially died, so he couldn't sense ki in otherworld. Not to mention, throughout the entire Buu saga Vegeta had a sub low opinion of Gohan. Every scan and data book had also mentioned that Super Vegito was the strongest warrior to ever exist. I don't see how one could argue Super Sayain 2 Goku being above that, just because Vegeta is shocked by how strong Goku is.
That Majin Buu, when Fat Buu was removed, his power began to increase instead of decrease, and this is confirmed by Shin later, he even says that he is the most powerful when he already witnessed Buuhan and Buutenks
@@MostPowerfulMajinBuu yeah when fat Buu became evil Buu and then he became super buu his power did go up. But buuhan is not weaker than kid buu. Goku stated he stood no chance against buuhan, it took fusion to be able to beat him, it did not take fusion to beat kid buu.
Just explain me this , if Buu loses power by absorbing people and super buu unlike kid buu has some level of intelligence, then why would super buu even bother absorbing Gotenks and piccolo , heck , he absolutely shouldn't absorb mystic Gohan after absorbing piccolo , because of piccolo's intelligence added to super buu at that point , pretty awful argument
He didn’t technically LOSE power when he absorbed the kais. When he absorbed south Kai he got way stronger. When he absorbed Grand Kai, his purity and (as said in super) his lack of intelligence just before absorption altered Buu’s personality so that most of his power was subdued. He CAN use it, he just doesn’t. The reason super Buu is as strong and smart as he is is due to Evil Buu’s intelligence mixing with fat Buu’s intelligence and all that Kai power being unlocked due to Buu being MUCH more evil. Essentially double the intelligence and double the power of fat Buu
I've always seen it as personality traits. Most of the Kais aren't warriors they just have natural powers and energy. Absorbing a peace loving kai would weaken him. Buutenks although is smarter than super Buu he also gained some of those personality traits like being goofy and teasing, once he absorbed Gohan he also had some of those saiyan arrogance traits as well he could have won if he didn't allow vegeta and goku to fuse but he was having fun. Buuhan is stronger but not as ruthless due to him having a heart. Kid Buu violence was his entertainment. Like that of a child he didn't know better to toy around or hold back he just enjoyed himself. Yet was weak enough to be destroyed by the revived earth spirit bomb. If the Earth spirit bomb was enough to kill buuhan, Goku would have been able to do so while revived from otherworld, imo bc a spirit bomb draws life energy from other sources. Also if he thought a Spirit bomb was enough why would he even train the kids when he would love to fight alone
@@718NecroLeX DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
I feel like one thing people seem to forget is that even the author or creator of a story can be wrong about things they themselves say when it conflicts with pre established information
Look , your argument is not a relevant to considering that ultimate gohan on by the time of battle the gods with state to be the strongest. So No Even in Anime Kid Buu is Weaker Regardless. Regardless of anime or Manga
Buuhan is stronger, he in the video says him self, eather buuhan is steonger than kid buu because of vegito or kid buu and a weak goku are stronger than vegito and buuhan there is no in between, at the end of the day goku not vegito( fusión with all of it multiplyers) is the one that kills kid buu
Holding back the spirit bomb is the strongest feat in the manga and el manga legendario is like the only guidebook that doesn’t have kid buu as the strongest
Why is it so hard for the people to deny kid Buu is weaker than base super buu. Goku Was too scared to fight Base Super Buu.. Even. When they were inside Buu. Goku stated hr and Vegeta Would Lose Even after Freeing Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks... That's the very reason why the Vegeta was desperate enough Free Good Buu.. It's the same freaking thing and the anime and the manga. Look feelings don't matter on the subject Goku ans Vegeta Notice Kid Buu Power Was Lowered..His Powee Was High In Buff.. But it immediately shrunk with the reverted to Kid Buu Vegeta Went out of his Free Good Buu Because he knows boo would get Weaker.
I agree with you that Super Buu >> Kid Buu and its not even close . Not only do I think that Super Buu was stronger thank Kid Buu I think he was multiple times stronger , it wouldn't even be a fight , Super Buu would overpower him hard . Kid Buu is just more dangerous because he is basically just evil chaotic to the maximum with low intelligence and just more unpredictable than any other version of himself . Super Buu while not smart was not stupid and enjoyed fighting but even he knew once he sensed Gohan's energy that he was outclassed , as he even said before the fight , I can't let a power greater than my own exist .
@@Chris_HT in inside of buu goku defeated ultimate gohan in ssj state and its stated in the daizenshu that those "gohan and gotenks and piccolo" is the same strength as the real ones
@@darcko000 That’s an outlier because literally every fight we see Gohan in and statements from Goku say otherwise. It was made clear that Ultimate Gohan was above SSJ3 Goku, and also, we don’t know if that Gohan was even using Ultimate inside Buu, but even if he did, it’s not consistent enough to give that since there’s more proof saying otherwise. They ARE replicas, and it wouldn’t make sense for Gohan to even get Ultimate if Goku was THAT STRONG. Gohan Low Diffed Super Buu, if SSJ goku can beat Ultimate Gohan than it just collapses all narrative and powerscaling at that point in Z.
@@darcko000 That fight is filler, does not happen in the manga. Goku stated he couldn't even defeat Super Buu while still inside, so how he is going to clap ultimate Gohan? *Daizenshuu btw lol. You should know the Daizenshuu has been wrong about a lot of things and has scaled improperly from the start pretty much. You simply cannot scale pre Saiyan Saga characters. Tambourine being stronger than Piccolo Daimao? Yeah, no.
Wow that was a pretty phenomenal breakdown of the anime version of this fight the only thing I'll say is that the daizenshuu does in fact make the Manga version of bit more complicated . It puts buu over gohan but still a great breakdown anyway
Preach bro, you shouldv'e also mentioned that in the manga when dende is talking about uub, he literally says "its true the evil version of majin buu was the most formidable enemy goku ever faced" at the time, and other translations outright state that kid buu was the most powerful enemy goku ever faced.
Kid boo is not stronger.Because goku's power never increased that much.. It was even stated the Gohan Or Gotenks Would it be the more than powerful enough to easily kill kid Buu. Your argument falls apart to right there.
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
Each time a saiyen experienced a greater power in them ,they absorbed it and make it permanent in base.Beerus states that in bog,same happen in goku black and in top.If goku can adapt to freaking goku ki within hour then vegeto power without ki would be a piece of cake.Which is why goku fought against kid buu is way stronger than one faced against buutenks.
I don't know why people are still making the same points that have been on UA-cam for over ten years now, but I also don't know why I'm still watching a video about something I already know every possible take on.
Can someone explain how some people even argument this??? I mean where is the logic?? Akira Toriyama himself said that Ultimate Gohan is the strongest Z Warrior at the end of DBZ, stronger than SSJ3 Goku or anyone else.... and Buuhan basically absorbed ultimate gohan, not to mention gotenks and piccolo on top of that... and yet SSJ3 Goku can go toe to toe against Kid Buu even potentially defeat him, hooooow can you even claim or argument the fact that Buuhan is not faaaar stronger than Kid Buu? I seriously don't get it And I wouldn't really put much emphasis on the english anime dub, because its WAY different than the original Japanese one... it has major differences. Just because in the English version they changed the dialoge so much doesn't make it "legit".
@@kulo4912 Goku said him and Vegeta can't beat Super Buu, but Gohan destroyed Super Buu. Also in the manga WHICH WAS WRITTEN BY AKIRA himself, it is perfectly clear and stated clearly many times that Buuhan is stronger than Kid Buu, so what other proof do you guys need? English dub is notorious for very inaccurate translations of the Japanese one, even Frieza who in the Japanese dub was said to be using only 1% of his power against Goku on Namek, in some English dubs he is apparently using Half his power etc... so English dub is completely useless to determine things because its not original and many things are made up.
@@alenx5455 Honestly Buu's forms in terms of power imo would go like this : Buuhan > Buutenks > Super Buu > Kid Buu > Evil Fat Buu > Evil Buu > Good Fat Buu . I mean it really shouldn't even be a debate that by the end of the Buu saga that Gohan was the strongest non fused / absorbed character in the series . Gohan would have clapped Goku in the Buu saga with ease , so would Gotenks . Its honestly funny how outclassed Goku was let alone Vegeta . Super Buu would have clapped Goku hard . Kid Buu is touted as the most dangerous because he is just a killing machine not because of his raw destructive power . Now I will say this , it is possible or even likely that by the end of DBZ you know the 10 year time skip that Goku is likely the strongest DBZ character because he continued to train while Gohan remained a book worm and likely got weaker again similar to what happened in the Buu saga because he didn't train for 7 years .
@@blabla-fw9ix Well since DBS has now reached the end of Z portion and Gohan is now ridiculously strong again, he might still be the strongest. I mean Toriyama did call Beast Gohan the strongest character "so it's said." But commented that Orange Piccolo is on par with "Goku and co." so if Piccolo is anywhere near them, Gohan probably is a little stronger. Just doesn't have the same fight thirst or fight IQ, but he was able to out speed MUI Goku which shocked Vegeta a lot, as if nobody else besides maybe Whis was able to do that. Or he's just shocked that Gohan is that strong out of nowhere, but I mean, that was the case since the kid was 4, so I don't know why anyone's ever been surprised by that. Goku trained and fought so much from 12-18 and toddler Gohan just crying was 710. Either way, DBS is going to be a mess without Toriyama, and with a ton of retcons incoming. Bulma not seeing Goku in 5 years and looking old, when she's been using the Dragon Balls to look young AND has been in regular contact with him? And like, why would they need Uub now, of all times, when they have Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Gohan, Piccolo who are all extremely powerful? Someone with strength like Kid Buu's, that's a fart in the wind by now. It's like scaling a sperm to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Everyone got so much stronger the scale stopped working a long time ago.
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@MostPowerfulMajinBuu "Absorption powers him up except for when it doesn't that time" just isn't something i like to believe especially in dragon ball, it shouldn't be that difficult of a debate. Because Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Vs Kid Buu), obviously wouldnt beat Buuhan, i feel like people dont put the pieces together and it gets confusing. You can make the argument with Gokus spirit bomb and all, and he energy given being stronger, and every other thing, but at that point it just becomes like its stretching the argument when its easier to prove Buuhan is stronger.
@@Chris_HT And? That Goku became stronger than before because he could fight using only the Super Saiyan, a Ultimate Gohan and Super Buu, who were previously said to be at levels that not even Goku SSJ3 could reach, in addition to being weakened because they were smaller. and with the measly hundredth part of their power they did those feats, which are not contradicted because later Goku witnesses that Buu is becoming more powerful instead of weaker, then Shin corroborates the same saying that after having lost power with the absorptions He was once again the most powerful and problematic, and he says this knowing Buuhan, later Goku corroborates Shin's words and respecting the scaling, added to mentions where he is considered the most powerful warrior
@AventSir you should do a video on the most powerful beings in the entire Dragonball universe. There is some controversy over Zeno, Zalama, and to an extent the Grand Preist and Zeno’s guards with the power hierarchy.
KID BUU IS THE MOST DANGEROUS, BUUHAN IS THE STRONGEST, SUPER BUU IS STRONGER THAN KID BUU BC ITS JUST KID BUU WITH THE KAI ABSORBED THEN REARRANGED. THIS IS OBVIOUS
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@yoriobasun5706 no it only said that he was the most troublesome, and even then how can you be the most troublesome without being the most powerful? There's a reason goku and vegeta fled from kid buu in his first appearance
@@SuperKamiGuruu Yes you can be , because Kid Buu just destroyed the Earth without 0 f@cks , Super Buu enjoyed fighting and especially Buuhan , what would they gain especially with their greater intellect to just destroy everything ? They know they can do it so it is not necessary .
@@SuperKamiGuruu you be the most troublesome by not being able to be reasoned with, you cause the most trouble. And I trust the manga 100x more than the Amin for source
The owners, creators, etc., dont really give a damn who is stronger, what is true, what is not, there are so many "canons" that contradicting opinions are both technically not wrong, it wasn't all super organized to make sure that everything makes sense. At the end of the day debates are many times a clash of headcanons formed by ignoring the parts of the canon they don't like.
@@gamemastery3532 Most of what he said is "the anime said this" My guy, the anime is still an adaptation. The manga is the greater source material and more importantly, Toriyama wasn't even as involved with the anime by the time of the Buu Saga. His biggest known involvement was how the fusion characters voices would sound.
11:23 this is plot induced stupidity and anime over hyping because the anime still has all the manga statements you mentioned previously just constant illogical contradictions
The manga part is great but the anime part of this video is one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen in my whole life, it’s just logically wrong in so many aspects Also how do you explain in the anime when Goku thought that Vegeta’s idea was to revive everyone so that they could get Gohan to beat Kid Buu?
As for second question, if Gohan and Gotenks can be used to stall Kid Buu, it is not out of reach for them to attempt Fusion if things don't go their way.
You blatantly skipped over the part in the manga where goku flat out says that ssj3 is a form for when he is dead and that it drains to much ki when alive meaning whenever you see him use ssj 3 except when dead in z he isn’t ever at full power ??? Like you just yapping bruh tbh
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
Yeah let’s trust Goku the genius and Shin who’s NEVER wrong even once with this one. Also the writers of this arc couldn’t have cared less for accuracy
This shows why scaling is not a science. People like to take random statements are ironclad feats despite the fact that they directly contradict the logic of the series. But at the same time, a lot of statements are meant to be taken seriously, especially in anime where they rely a lot on exposition.
About that Toriyama's interview talking about "Little One being stronger", actually Toriyama doesn't say yes or even agree with the question: The question is "Characters are often stronger while being cute, like Kid Goku, and Freezer and Buu in their final form. Does it have a meaning ? Are you trying to explain kids, even if they look weaker, actually are greedy in power ?" Wich Toriyama answers "I just like going against people expectations, usualy strongest people are the bigger One, we don't expect that from Little characters. I just wanna tell a Story that makes sense while doing contradictions." The question is (if you take of all the other things around it) "The strong characters are usualy the Little ones, do you have a sense, a meaning behind that choice ?" Wich is answered "I just like creating a surprise." In fact, he doesn't necessary say that it's Always the case, but that he likes that gimmic. Also, we Can argue that the exemples used are wrong: Kid Goku wasn't the strongest, we can even argue that he've beatten Piccolo by a surprise attack while getting roasted by Mr. Popo after that, Freezer's final form is technicaly his full power one wich is not the cuttest (if we don't count "Meca Freezer") but even without it, he got "Golden" and "Black" forms wich aren't actually cute or smaller. That interview can be use to Say "He surprises audience by making his first form more powerful than expected" but not necessaraly the strongest one.
@hystor1c simply type in this scan to see if it's authentic and you'll be given the information how the interview doesn't actually officially exist anywhere. Same as this other one that I previously used to use for the case of kid buu owning buuhan. Had a whole fake website and everything full of fake interviews
@@Purple_23184 Ok so why did Goku need to fuse with Vegeta against Buuhan if he was able to fight on equal terms with kid Buu ? Make it make logical sense .
@@blabla-fw9ix uh kid buu was toying with goku first of all and he said they needed to fuse for kid buu too he didn’t fuse since goku said he wanted it to be a fair fight plus he underestimate kid buu and goku was being cocky ur arguing against the story its self Toyama and goku and the narrator said he’s the strongest buu and there’s guides saying kid buu is the strongest with toyamas statements go look them up the Kai’s even says the absorbsions weaken buu in the manga
Buuhan destroys Kid Buu with ease and that's not a exaggeration, it literally required a fusion to fight him in both the anime and manga. Also Goku didn't want to fuse most likely because he was more confident against Kid Buu otherwise he would have fused immediately like when he did against Super Buu even before he absorbed Gohan
Goku not wanting to use fusion against Kid Buu was mostly Saiyan Pride and because Kid Buu was using his own power instead of using the power of others like Super Buu was. It really depends on Anime or Manga. If going by Manga, then yes Buuhan wins... but going by Anime, then Kid Buu.
This shouldn’t even be a question. It’s Bulgar by a huge margin. Kid Buu is weaker and that’s evident by the fact that he lost every single person he had absorbed. Absorbing Gohan and the others is what made Buuhan so powerful Plus you have to consider that Buuhan needed a fusion to heat while Kid Buu was beaten by just a regular SSJ3 Goku. There is no way Goku grew enough to not only surpass the amp that Vegito had but also was able to defeat a character stronger than Buuhan
Wrong. Kid Buu Was Never Stronger. As even the source material stated that gohan is the strongest unfused individual in The Buu Saga.🤣🤣🤣..if Kid Buu was Stronger ..Buu Would Fold SS3 Goku
@@Toddles why would Toriyama not correct the guy asserting that Kid buu is the strongest character? Also Toriyama’s writing shares common through lines in each arc, the villain’s final form is their strongest one and Buu’s final form was his original one. Also if Toriyama considers the TV anime and his Manga as equal canon and one and the same, why tf would Kid Buu be weaker in one? Thats never been done ever.
Buuhan was not only my favourite villain in all of DB, but also just downright my favourite character in the entire series. He is and always will be my pick. I always use him in DB games that have him as a selectable character. Him and Cell. Love them both!
Saying Kid buu is stronger than buuhan is like saying goku is stronger than vegito 🤦🏽♂️ why can’t people understand that kid buu is the original form and buuhan is like a fusion
Because it was stated that kid buu became weaker by absorbing due to gaining a heart whatever that means so you can argue kid buu is stronger than buuhan.
@@gogeta-san4713 DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@DISCHARGE2-3👈🏾🤡 DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@SuperKamiGuruu I know about these statements but they are contradictory to what is shown , also it's very clear that the script writer didn't paid as much attention to the story
the crux of this argument is goku beats gohan and vegeta beats gotenks within superbuu if you dont have that you have the same scaling as the manga. BUUTTT death of the author applies because Gotenks Piccolo and Gohan are "as strong as normal" and yet it isnt vegeta who beats Gotenks its Piccolos SBC that wasnt even charged for more than a second, if they really were as strong as when they were alive then alive piccolo stomps superbuu. . . . . . come onnnnnnnnnn, they are clearly weaker than the real counterparts otherwise you have to say piccolo is now stronger than gotenks
what i always thought is that when buu absorbed the kais his power went down. then when he absorbed the saiyans his power increased. after getting the absorbed ripped out he reverted to when he absorbed south kai then his power rose back to kid buu power. i believe buuhan had more raw power and intellect but kid buu doesn't think just destroys, buuhan should win cuz of regen hacks and strategy.
16:52 Agreed that sources outside of the manga can be canon but the DBZ anime really isn't one of those things imo. People love to misinterpret this interview as Toriyama saying "the anime and manga are both canon to my vision!" but that's not really what he's saying. This particular interview is more along the lines of Toriyama admitting that the anime team had to create filler to pad things out and that whether you read the manga or watch the anime, you are getting the same overall story. I'm genuinely kinda confused how people came to constantly misinterpret this interview but I suspect it probably has something to do with people reading the interview with the intention of getting a specific answer out of it (in this case, that the anime has to be canon) instead of just... actually taking the interview for what it is ( an admission that people can enjoy dragon ball fully whether they are watching the anime or manga). As for the DBS anime and manga, that's kinda different. Both follow the "Toriyama outline" but Toyotaro was chosen to be Toriyama's official successor. While there is no official statement on what Toriyama would have considered "canon" or whether he thought of both of them as canon, my personal opinion is that the DBS is the "canon" storyline as Toriyama's official successor is the one primarily writing/drawing it and Toriyama personally intervened to help with some story stuff. Especially since everything after the ToP in the manga was Toyotaro's writing, with Toriyama just helping out every now and then.
In Battle Of God's Goku says that even Vegito wouldn't be able to defeat Beerus. He's referencing Vegito from the buu saga but implying that a current Vegito still isn't enough which also says that Goku NEVER reach Vegito levels at any point up to the ritual to become SSJ GOD.
Hate power-scaling convos but was a lil' curious about what the consensus was regarding if Super Buu or Kid Buu is stronger (I lean Super). Stumbled across this video instead. While Goku's comment muddies the water a bit, I feel like you really gotta ignore so much of what's happening on screen (& common sense, honestly) to even begin to believe this is a debate. Like some of these comments are wild.
I won't say that Buuhan is stronger, but what I will say is that a story that has fusions lead to weaker characters removes any reasoning for those fusions in the first place.
We just gonna forget that Kid Buu had that kaioshin who fought Moro in him? And how it’s stated in the DBS anime (which is canon) that it took a universal spirit bomb to kill kid buu. Also not to mention, you cannot tell how strong a Majin is since they’re suppressing their ki.
Can't believe we are still doing this in 2024. vro kid buu is uncontrollable and pure evil therefore he is the most 'Dangerous' form of buu. But Buuhan has the powers and abilities of every character he absorbed therefore he is the 'Strongest' form of buu
Dude He says hes the stongest majin not including kid buu, because kid buu is mindless. Remember what super buu said when vegeta was going to remove fat buu " stop or I'll cease to exist'. Not saying kid buu is stronger than buuhan though.
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Anime scaling be like: "The Japanese version of Episode 160 says Cell has infinite power and is a 'God of Destruction' in the title card, therefore Cell must be GoD level in his perfect form!"
Yeah, we shouldn't take what's stated in the anime as more reliable than what is literally shown. The anime will say abbreviated versions of what is said in the manga or things to make the situation seem more dire. We should always go back to the original source for the absolute correct answer for these types of questions even if Toriyama said that he considers the anime another legitimate version (of course he would, why would he want to put down the work that others have put into his own series). And in the original manga, it is very clear that Buuhan is stronger than kid buu.
God like and literally god are 2 different things.How they comprohend beerus if they dont even know who he is.
Dont mess with dbfans they dont read.
Unfortunately I've seen some scalers try to use that "infinite power" quote to massively wank DBZ unironically. As if Toriyama actually intended Cell to be infinitely strong and for everyone afterwards to be higher dimensional entities.
He is a GoD, thats not his job, but rather a status, since he was *destroying*
God isn't a level it's an occupation a title in Dragon Ball in general.
Not gonna lie if Goku can beat kid buu and it takes vegito to beat buuhan I don’t understand this debate 😅
Goku just got stronger
Goku and vegeta received a zenkai after fighting buuhan and got stronger
@@aguythatsit.7725yea just finished the video
@@aguythatsit.7725ur not this dumb irl i refuse to believe that…wtf do u mean a zenkai boost…zenkai boost from what bruh??? they didnt almost die at any point during the buuhan fight…they were no where near close to death and vegeta was already dead what fuckin zenkai boost would they have got..plz tell me
@@aguythatsit.7725A zenkai on par with a fusion boost? Yeah right
This isn't even a debate buuhan stomps
Word kid buu is only
Stated to be more evil not stronger people really forget about thaf
That
Kid Buu supporters arguing that Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan (SSJ3 Goku could contend with him)
Statements say kid buu
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato literally everything else disprove that if you just used basic common sense
Buuhan washes , kid buu is the most dangerous bc he's a mindless killing machine. He destroyed the earth on sight.
Kid buu is not mindless
@@ryukopoolpeacemaker228hd9what proves that he is not mindless? Unless you believe even wild animals have minds
@@G8Dz1LL4 when kid buu when to the afterlife before he started beating up every he literally looked at krillain and the others. Also when goku and vegeta raised thier powers kid buu stopped what he was doing and left the afterlife not to mention that when kid buu fought goku and vegeta kid buu was dancing and laughing at them. So no he's not mindless kid buu knows what he's doing
He also appears to have unlimited stamina, something the others don't have
Thats anime filler.. if its not from akira toriyamas manga then its not canon to the original story.
I genuienly dont believe how anyone can believe kid buu is stronger than buuhan
The video is really good though and I love how the anime can genuinely give people the misconception that kid buu is stronger than buuhan
yeah its just bias takes over.. goku wanted no business fighting super buu but was cool with fighting kid buu.. that tells you everything
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@HavokUnbound and later this is stated.
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@SuperKamiGuruu soo despite common sense we'll just go with one of the many dbz translation errors to back up the argument.. even tho in anime kid buu has always been relative to ssj3 goku... The same goku that refused to fight super buu and had to fuse to fight him but hey.. what do I know lol
@@SuperKamiGuruu I'll go with what's shown over what's stated.. the dbz anime states kid buu is the strongest even tho in anime that's not what's presented to us
My take is this. It's blatant that Buuhan is the strongest in the manga like was said here, nothing really contradicts this since statements saying Kid Buu is the strongest Buu are filler only. So no argument in that.
As for the anime, we do get statements of Kid Buu being the strongest Buu etc. However we also still get statements from Buutenks just like in the manga that he is the strongest Buu ever, clearly referring to his past forms which he has as a reference, which would include Kid Buu, which directly contradicts the filler statements that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu.
People will often claim Kid Buu or Buuhan are the strongest based on these statements as the main argument. So how do we reconcile this and make both true? We could say the filler statements are only referring to the pure Buu forms, or Buu in general as a whole to eliminate the inconsistency making Buutenks stronger than Kid Buu like he claims, but still having Kid Buu be the strongest pure Buu form, since the absorptions can be considered external power ups. That way it satisfies both statements.
Also the Gohan and Gotenks battle in Buu is screwy scaling wise. They literally have base Goku fight Gohan, then he has to power up to SSJ and they still fight closely anyway, implying Gohan was not using his full power from the start. Also Piccolos SBC literally defeats SSJ3 Gotenks which makes no sense power scaling wise if they are the same power as the originals. So I don't feel using that set of interactions to seriously scale their power is viable given the multiple massive inconsistencies in them.
Also worth noting is personally I take OG manga>Anime when inconsistency arise like this, so I'd go with AT original scale of Buutenks>Kid Buu. Also Koyama has said more than once he feels that Buuhan is the strongest, even when shown the Kid Buu screen caps for what that's worth.
There are some guides or secondary summaries that side either way with both, but they are secondary sources that don't hold as much weight as the actual manga and anime, so more like foot notes, and neither side is blatantly favored in every source anyway.
Overall I'd say Buuhan and Buutenks are above Kid Buu in anime and manga, although anime has a few contradictory filler statements that at least have to put him above pure Super Buu if we try to keep all the statements consistent.
W take
In manga spirit bomb stated to be strongest energy ever.
DBZ Manga and DBZ KAI Anime are Not 2 separate continuities. They are one.
For example DB Super & DBZ Anime & DBZ Battle Of Gods Canon Movie are all 3 separate continuities. Meaning, similar or near identical battles take place, but not always in the same exact location. In the movie they at capsule corp, in the manga and anime they are on a boat. When Saiyan God Goku fights Lord Beerus.
In DBZ Manga & DBZ KAI Anime both take place all the same location. All fights are versus the same villains in the exact time.
The only difference is the anime gives far more detail and greater depth to the story. Concept ideas Toriyama would’ve put in the Manga if he had more time. This is why Akira Toriyama stated DBZ Manga & DBZ KAI Anime are Synonymous to each other. Which literally means they are One. And should be regarded as One. The Manga is 1st, The Bible If you will. The Anime 2nd, example upon the Manga. Yet and still. They are both canon bcuz Toriyama stated they are Synonymous. The word synonymous means the Manga DBZ & The Anime DBZ Kai are One. That also means all filler in Kai is canon bcuz non of it deviates from the story. The opposite is true of Old School DBZ Anime, which is why it is no longer canon.
That’s why it is impossible to say Buuhan is The Strongest In The Manga, and Kid Buu is The Strongest in The Anime. Complete contradiction that comes from a complete misunderstanding of what took place in real time. Doin that is like sayin on paper (manga) 2+2 = 4. But in real life (anime) 2+2 = 5. That is gettin it wrong on purpose bcuz u don’t want the two correlations to reach the same conclusion, make the same connection. That is fallacy, that is wrong.
In both Manga DBZ & DBZ KAI, The Storytelling perspective, the journey and the conclusion is The Same. Any desperation is from fans false interpretation and misunderstanding.
1) Super Buu (SSJ3 Gotenks Absorbed) & Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed) are The Strongest Versions of Super Buu.
2) SSJ3 Goku was heavily suppressed vs Fat Buu. Nowhere near his Maximum Power Level. Goku promised Fat Buu, he would bring forth a Fighter Stronger than himself. Which is true, to a degree. SSJ3 Gotenks Maximum Power Level is equal to Super Buu. Makin SSJ3 Gotenks Stronger than a Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku. If SSJ3 Goku were not heavily suppressed, he’d be Stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks bare minimum.
3) Both Goku & Gohan are Massively, Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than Super Buu (Piccolo Absorbed). We know this bcuz prior to this moment. Super Buu (SSJ3 Gotenks Absorbed) was Massively, Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than both Goku & Gohan. Both Goku & Gohan fought Buutenks. Goku put up a much better fight than Gohan did. Both were outclassed, where Gohan was mudstomped, Goku could at least hold his own, somewhat. This is tellin us sonethin right here.
Remember Gohan > Super Buu. Goku & Gohan > Super Buu + Piccolo. Buutenks > Goku & Gohan. What’s more, this was originally Gohan’s fight. Goku interfered in both Manga DBZ & The Anime DBZ KAI. The only reason why Goku interfered in Gohan vs Buutenks is bcuz Gohan was about to be killed by Buutenks. Goku stepped in, thus takin over the fight. At this moment, Buutenks is smiling and confident. Everybody knows Buutenks holds the major advantage over SSJ3 Goku in this moment. SSJ3 Goku is still suppressed, but not heavily suppressed. We know this bcuz Goku neva revealed his Maximum Power Level until he fought Kid Buu. That is somethin The Old School Kung Fu Martial Arts Masters do. Take note.
Goku knows both he and Gohan are at a huge disadvantage. Therefore he seeks to fuse with his Son to gain the Overwhelming advantage over Buutenks. Buutenks is Supremely Confident, when Goku & Gohan are worried. Goku only had confidence bcuz he was about to fuse with Gohan. When Gohan lost the Potarra Earring, Goku got scared. Then something unexpected happened. Buutenks reverted to Super Buu + Piccolo > Super Buu. Notice how Super Buu + The added Power Level & Intellect of Piccolo instantly became worried vs Goku. Remember, Goku is his opponent now. Buutenks was supremely confident when he was vs SSJ3 Goku. Both in the manga and anime, bcuz Goku interfered, saving Gohan’s life. Now that Buutenks reverted into Super Buu + Piccolo, a much Stronger version than Super Buu w/o any absorption. Super Buu + Piccolo is now extremely terrified of Goku, SSJ3 Goku now. Gohan was still scared & confused cuz he had no idea what was goin on.
Goku stating in the Manga that “Gohan can handle you now” does show Gohan regained the advantage in the fight. Even though Goku Neva says “I’m Stronger than u now too.” He does not have to. Why? Bcuz the context that conveys this is Goku & Super Buu + Piccolo’s changed facial expressions. Goku went from being the scared one, when Buutenks, happy, mind u, about to attack SSJ3 Goku. Switched to Buutenks mid attack upon Goku, revert to Super Buu + Piccolo. Now Super Buu (Piccolo Absorbed) is angry and upset, while Goku is now happy, smiling overjoyed and confident expression on his face. These facial expressions say it all. Goku’s facial expression says I’m far Stronger than u now. I don’t need to interfere o Gohan’s behalf, bcuz now Gohan is far stronger than u too. I can let Gohan handle it from here, bcuz I’m stepping back now. Boom, there it is.
Also, Akira Toriyama b4 his transition. “It was the use of ki that allowed Goku (Not Gohan) to Be The Strongest In The Universe.” I added the (Not Gohan) part in the quote, to showcase that quote is connected to Goku alone, in exclusive connection to The Buu Arc.
4) Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe in The Frieza Arc. Gohan Is The Strongest In The Universe In The Cell Arc. Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe in The Buu Arc. Any fan stating Gohan is The Strongest in The Buu arc is speakin a complete contradiction against Toriyama’s most famous quote referencing Goku as “The Strongest In The Universe.” During The Buu Arc. This not complicated, it’s just disingenuous fans make it complicated.
5) Furthermore in both The Manga DBZ & The Anime DBZ KAI.. Goku stated they needed The Potara Fusion just to beat Kid Buu. Goku & Vegeta went from being Overconfident in their 1st estimation of Kid Buu. Til after they fought him. Then learned a secret. Kid Buu was Absurdly Heavily Suppressing his Immense Power Level. This secret it the key to why Kid Buu is so OP. Super Buu also suppressed his power level all the way down to 1 or 0, to escape being killed by Gohan.
6) Vegito was needed to defeat Buutenks & Buuhan. Goku specifically stated, Vegito was needed to beat Kid Buu. This means Kid Buu, Buuhan & Buutenks are relative bcuz all 3 can only be defeated by Vegito or SSJ Vegito. Bcuz Kid Buu is the Strongest, Stronger than Buuhan, Vegito is weaker than Kid Buu, and would need to go Super Saiyan just to beat Kid Buu.
7) Kid Buu fought SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Fat Buu, Mr. Satan. All of these Z fighters are at vastly different levels of Power. Goku Being The Strongest of them all by far. Vegeta even refused to bring Gohan & SSJ3 Gotenks. Why? Bcuz Goku was The Strongest of The 3. If Goku couldn’t beat Kid Buu, none of them could. He was simply far too Powerful. Gohan even had dialogue in both the manga & anime that if his father lost to Kid Buu, The entire Universe would be destroyed. That’s admission that Goku is Stronger than him. And the final nail in the coffin. Goku gathered “ki” energy from all the Z fighters, including Gohan. Goku stated that was nowhere enough “ki” energy to destroy Kid Buu. That meant the Spirit Bomb at the moment was far weaker than Kid Buu. Goku needed all the energy in The Universe just reach a power level far Stronger than Kid Buu. Kid Buu was able to push back The Strongest Spirit Bomb ever created. Kid Buu Being The Strongest and The Original Majin Buu, Goku made sure he was reincarnated to fight him again one day. Goku only spares or makes special requests for The Strongest.
Dragon Ball Z Battle Of Gods reiterated Goku Being The Strongest In The Universe during The Buu Arc. The Super Manga revealed a secret that Kid Buu had Divine Ki within him. Makin him far more powerful, than how OP he already was.
@@jordanglasper1064 Holy Jesus I don't think many are gonna read all that lol. Goku faring "better" against Buutenks is pretty simple. Goku likes to fight. He likes to fight even when his opponent is a lot stronger. Gohan was stronger, but still rusty and his brother and basically nephew and then his mentor all his life were just absorbed. He seemed more shook about that than anything else
Anyway, Gohan is stronger. If it bothers you that I'm not gonna read one of the longest YT comments I've read in the 18 years I've been on youtube, sorry not sorry lol. I mean you just called Mr. Satan a "Z fighter" lmao what. Please log off from the internet for a little while because I think you're confusing yourself and anyone who attempts to read this comment.
Also, DBZ Battle of Gods makes no such mention of Goku being the strongest in the universe in the Buu arc? You're remembering wrong, or watched it in some strange dub based on your grammar. All that was said is that Goku was there to take care of every threat, which wasn't really true to begin with considering Gohan was the one to beat Cell, everyone chipped in to defeat Vegeta but technically Gohan won at the end luck or not. And Trunks beat Frieza, at least in the timeline the series is focused on.
Also, Vegeta was the one who WANTED to bring the boys there in the first place before Earth blew up. It was simply his idea after that to use the genki dama; to have Earth fight for itself for once. Goku assumed when Vegeta had an idea that it was to bring the boys, since he'd wanted to grab them to begin with, not Mr. Satan or Dende. You're headcannoning pretty hard here my guy, because as I said, it's literally never said that he was the strongest in the Buu Saga in Battle of Gods, and you're automatically assuming what Vegeta is thinking lol.
He survived several deadly attacks just as SSJ2. And he was getting pretty much as badly beaten up by Fat Buu. That would indicate that Kid Buu's power level is closer to Fat Buu's. I mean after all, even Goku who could go SSJ3 thought Super Buu, who Gohan was destroying, was too much for the efforts of himself. Did you completely forget that or what? I mean jeez... that's not just anime filler dialogue either.
It's like 70% of the fandom for Dragon Ball are people that just pull things out of your ass like you have repeatedly in this overly long comment that most people aren't even going to give a serious attempt at commenting on lol. You wrote a lot of nothing, and at any rate my comment is enough to disprove basically everything you said.
Most importantly, Buu SPECIFICALLY chose to absorb Gohan because he was the biggest threat there and easy to catch off guard. Goku doesn't keep his guard up well either; having the wisdom of Piccolo who knows from experience would help. So, it wouldn't have taken that much to just make him turn around and then start getting absorbed. Buu was crafty and would've done whatever he could to become not just stronger, but the *strongest*
@@jordanglasper1064
The original DBZ anime and Kai are the exact same thing. Kai is just a hyphenated recut, re-edit, and remaster of DBZ.
I really don’t understand this comparison since even Super Buu with no absorption is already stronger than Kid Buu
10:04 Toriyama also had no refutes to the interviewer saying that Kid Goku was the most powerful character even though we know he was wasn't. When we look at Toriyama's response, he is just saying that he likes to make small characters strong, not that Kid Buu was the strongest form of Buu.
so u don’t know how to read? He’s the strongest in the end of the of db 🤦♂️ kid buu the strongest buu
Who wasn’t Kid Goku stronger than ?
@@kaienglish271 all of og db at the end of the series I mean it’s common sense at the this point that other people don’t put that together
@@Purple_23184 Look how dumb, loud and wrong you are. Mr. Popo and Kami were stronger than Kid Goku. Someone who paid attention to the story and has good reading comprehension would know that.
@@kaienglish271 Mr. Popo and Kami. Don’t listen to the idiot that responded to you and me.
buhan is the strongest buu…the fact that this is still even a debate shows the iq of the average dragon ball fan
It is ridiculous to even think otherwise . Buuhan slams every other version of himself . Heck normal Super Buu would clap Kid Buu , Buutenks and Buuhan are just way overkill .
Fans think that but the evidence says kud buu just depends on what you value more
If you value fan belief buuhan
If you care about on screen evidence kid buu
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkratowhat evidience?
Goku statement kid buu is strongest.@@Authenticnerd123
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkratoscreen evidence? You mean the mistranslation that can easily be checked? Like even screen wise goku got his a handheld to him by buuhan and then he can fight kid buu?
So buuhan>goku, kid buu
Buuhan is generally considered stronger than Kid Buu. His power level, intelligence, and absorption abilities make him superior in a one-on-one fight. While Kid Buu is certainly dangerous due to his chaotic and relentless nature, Buuhan’s sheer strength, strategic mind, and versatile abilities would likely lead him to victory. Unless Kid Buu can exploit some form of unpredictability or take advantage of a mistake from Buuhan, the fight would go in Buuhan’s favor.
Sorry bro but there is no way in hell super Saiyan 3 Goku is stronger than buuhan let alone vegito that makes no sense how can he go from being weaker than buutenks who is weaker than buuhan who is weaker than base vegito this makes no sense kid Buu is weaker than buutenks it's not even close the only thing I will give kid Buu is he more dangerous and unpredictable since he has no personality.
Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu as well .
You guys don’t understand what’s goin on, that’s why most of u are confused. Goku was never Stronger than Buutenks, Buuhan nor Kid Buu. All 3 are relative, in power level. Kid Buu is The Strongest of The 3. Just like when it comes to SSJ3 Goku, Base Form Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks.. Goku is The Strongest of the 3.
We know Kid Buu is The Strongest of the 3 Majin Buu bcuz Kid Buu has statements and feats to back up his immense power.
1) Everybody always forgets, Goku stated “We need The Potara Fusion just to beat Kid Buu.” Both in The Manga & The Anime. All the while, Kid Buu was nerfed from using 100% of his Max Power Level bcuz Fat Buu inside, was limiting him from gaining access to his 100%. Also, Kid Buu kept himself heavily suppressed to fight SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Mr. Satan lol.. and Fat Buu.
2) With Fat Buu nerfing him from goin 100%, SSJ3 Goku fighting a nerfed Kid Buu, Goku states “Yoooo we need the Potara just to beat a Kid Buu, who is nowhere near full power.”
Meaning Kid Buu’s heavily suppresed and nerfed 75% on top of that from Fat Buu restricting his 100%, Kid Buu’s 75% is already Stronger than Buutenks & Buuhan. We know this bcuz Goku said he needs to fuse with Vegeta, just to beat a heavily suppressed & nerfed Kid Buu.
That means Kid Buu suppressed & Nerfed from Fat a Buu within.. is already at Elite Fusion Level Power. Why? It would take SSJ Vegito just to beat him. Why do I say this.
Base Form Vegito is Massively Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than Buuhan. Kid Buu is far Stronger, still. Vegito would need to transform into an SSJ just beat Kid Buu. He’s not gonna need the entire 50x multiplier. Perhaps a 5x increase or a 10x increase from his Base. But Vegito would def need SSJ, even if it is a suppressed form, to not only contend with Kid Buu, but to gain the definitive advantage.
Many fans often forget, power level suppression. Kid Buu loves to fight so much, he will suppress himself to at or around the power level of his opponent just to have a good fight. And also to prove he is far stronger than them. His power level neva drops, unless he fight anotha Majin Buu. And even then, goes back up to 100%. Therefore when the Z fighters hit their limit, their power levels get weaker. All of em.
If Vegito in his base form, or even in his SSJ form, played too much with Kid Buu, he would lose. Bcuz Kid Buu had the greatest regeneration and his power level neva gets weaker. While, his insane rage boost could temporarily make him far stronger than SSJ Vegito.
Every single Z fighter underestimated every version of Majin Buu. It nearly cost them, the entire universe.
Is Super Saiyan 3 Goku Stronger than Buutenks, Buuhan & Kid Buu? Hell naw. Kid Buu suppressed himself weaker than Fat Buu when he first emerged. Shoutout to power level suppression. We know this to be true bcuz SSJ Vegeta deflected a “ki” blast. Kid Buu increased his power level far beyond Fat Buu. Then laughed & launched this 2nd “ki” blast at the planet.
Many fans try to say, well SSJ2 Vegeta survived Kid Buu, so that’s that. Kid Buu again heavily suppressed himself to test Vegeta’s Strength. He loves to fight. And will suppress himself close to or just above any opponents power level, to showcase he is The Strongest.
Super Saiyan 3 Goku is The Strongest out of Base Form Gohan & SSJ3 Gotenks. Just as Kid Buu is The Strongest out of Buutenks & Buuhan. This is why both Manga DBZ & Anime DBZ KAI referred to Goku vs Kid Buu as Battle of The Strongest. Kid Buu constantly kept himself suppressed throughout the fight with Goku. When Goku powered up to his Maximum Power Level as a Super Saiyan 3. Kid Buu Powered up even higher than Goku just to prove he was still Stronger than him. This was done with a quiet power up. Similar to the way Frieza did on Namek when he powered up to 50% of his Max. The difference is Kid Buu is a such a league of his own when it comes to power. There is no outward detection of him powering up bcuz he can power up instantly. This is a callback to Goku vs The Ginyu Force. Goku powered up so fast, not even their advanced scouters could detect an increase at all. The Buu Arc is full of Easter eggs to The Frieza & Cell Arc. But too many fans are blinded by their hatred to see clearly. I’m not sayin u are, but it is true for too many fans.
“It Was The Use Of Ki That Allowed Goku To Become The Strongest In The Universe.” - Akira Toriyama. This quote was in reference to Goku in The Buu Arc. Dragon Ball Super Anime, & DBZ Movie 14 Battle Of Gods Reiterated Goku as The Strongest In The Universe during The Buu Arc. The amount of evidence is overwhelming. But biased fans see what they want to, instead of what genuinely is.
@@jordanglasper1064 trust me I do understand but still kid Buu is not on super Buu level sorry but no and super Saiyan 3 Goku stronger than gotenks I don't know about that what I know is ultimate Gohan is stronger than super Saiyan 3 Goku
@@jordanglasper1064 kid buu was not suppressed. fat buu only held kidbuu back from hurting Mr.Satan. Goku never said they need the Potaro. they were infact offered the Potaro and he turned it down. ssj3 goku is actually weaker than gotenks and mystic form Gohan (im assuming you thought that was base form because why bring up base form) i dont understand how anyone can argue that buu somehow got STRONGER by taking away those that he absorbed to get STRONGER. i can only understand the fat supreme kia as he was trying to hold back buu and make him weaker and kinder. and to put the final nail in this coffin, Goku would have beaten kid buu as a ssj3 if it wasnt for 1 thing, he was alive. goku trained in ssj3 in a deadbody which ki was so much different but ssj3 is very ki taxing and it not only drained him faster than he thought, he couldnt hit max strength.
@@sinoxolombovane5455 In both Manga & Anime Super Buu Buu, then transforms into Buff Buu, Buff Buu transforms into Kid Buu. Kid Buu’s power level was higher than both Buff Buu & Super Buu.
Immediately after emerging, Kid Buu suppressed his power level weaker than Kid Buu. SSJ Vegeta deflected the 1st attack. Kid Buu “Powered up” an even Stronger attack, Beyond Fat Buu Level. This is a key indicator of “ki” energy suppression. This is reminiscent of Piccolo suppressing his “ki” energy when Frieza & King Cold landed on Earth, in The start of The Cell Arc.
Kid Buu fought SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Mr. Satan & Fat Buu. All of em at different power levels. Yet and still.. Kid Buu fought them in a way that made them look like they all had a chance at beating him. Except for Mr. Satan, that was funny. This is power level suppression.
Again, Dragon Ball Super states Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe During The Buu Arc. Uses Kid Buu Life & Death as a reference point to facilitate Goku Being The Strongest.
Gohan states it. Vegeta states it. This is followed by Dragon Ball Super reiterating Goku as a the Strongest by Master Roshi in DB Super episode 90 titled “Goku vs Gohan” Master Roshi stated Goku has claimed the Mantle of Power. Gohan seeks to reclaim that mantle. Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe in The Frieza Arc. Gohan Is The Strongest In The Universe In The Cell Arc. Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe In The Buu Arc. So again, Master Roshi’s words reiterates Goku Being The Strongest since the Buu Arc, and how Gohan seeks to re-claim the Mantle of Power Goku has held for several years now.
The Battle of Gods hierarchy is 1) SSJ3 Goku. 2) Gohan. 3) SSJ3 Gotenks. 4) SSJ2 Vegeta. This is the identical Hierarchy of Power In The Buu Arc. This is the reason why in B.O.G. Again, Master Roshi mentions Vegeta surpassed SSJ3 Goku. Bcuz That is The Strongest Being In The Universe, dating back to The Buu Arc. If it were Gohan, they would’ve mentioned that. Funny enough they neva did. They are well aware of power scaling,
Scaling this is super simple
Buuhan>Gohan>Kid Buu
No its just wrong in manga and Anime
Gohan isn’t stronger than kid buu
@@SSGFlare yes he is, he is A LOT stronger than Goku who could keep up with Kid Buu, the same goku who would have been absolutely DEMOLISHED without fusion against Buuhan
@@ADioSimpthey flat out say in the mangas that during his transformation to kid buu from super buu that he is getting stronger not to mention that flat out say that kid buu got weaker from absorbing the Kai’s meaning any form of him after kid buu is automatically weaker including buuhan and buutenks yal like it’s scary how many of yal don’t have reading comprehension like yal just read shit and don’t understand what you reading it’s actually scary
@@ADioSimp literally in the anime it was stated that the clones of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo inside of Buu was just as strong as the real ones, and Goku managed to keep up with that Gohan in his base form
For the anime side, I still recall Koyama, the scenarist of the movies and multiple episodes of Z also acknowledging that Buuhan was the strongest Buu. Take that as you want but he was one of the people that did adapt the manga so his word has massive value to me.
He later said his statements were not approved by toriyama and when asked again said he thinks kid buu is the strongest
@@kulo4912 koyama said dat because he was getting death threats
@@SilencedDoesStuff oh idk about that I just saw his statement where he took it back under his original post of calling buuhan the strongest
@@SilencedDoesStuff Or he changed his mind? Do you think he wouldn’t have gotten threats if he said Kid Boo first?
@@SilencedDoesStuffprove it. 😂
I been telling people you don’t know what you’re talking about so thanks for making this video.
To even think this is even a topic for a debate is literal insanity . Super Buu would clap Kid Buu , Buuhan is just overkill on mega steroids .
@@blabla-fw9ix facts this debate is stupidity tbh
This guy is taking things out of context or just lying. Kid Buu > Buuhan
@@GokeezyTheSaiyan Based on feats absolutely not , in fact not even remotely close .
@@blabla-fw9ix Statements and Feats are usually equal.
Feats can contradict statements, and statements can contradict feats.
But, the sheer amount of statements of Kid Buu being the strongest simply overwhelms any contradictions. It’s an outlier, and Kid Buu is the quantity.
Kid Buu dogwalks Midhan, debate me
Buuhan is straight up just stronger why is this a debate?
I think Vegeta was just referring to Goku and Kid Buu's power being in a different league compared to himself. It coincides with him accepting the fact that Goku was "better" than him. Even though that speech comes a little later.
Never heard anyone call it Buucolo. That’s hilarious 😂
There are a whole lot of logical leaps that you're making to make that argument. I get that Ss3 goku got stronger from his first appearance, but nowhere does it state that he surpassed Super Vegito. Never. Just because Vegeta is saying "their energy is a whole other level" doesn't mean they surpassed Vegito. In fact, it was implied that he was referring to himself in comparison to Goku and Buu. Especially since the entire fight was about Vegeta giving props to Goku for being number 1 definitively amongst the warriors he's seen. Let me remind you, Vegeta didn't see Gohan after his awakening. He didn't even have a body when he initially died, so he couldn't sense ki in otherworld. Not to mention, throughout the entire Buu saga Vegeta had a sub low opinion of Gohan. Every scan and data book had also mentioned that Super Vegito was the strongest warrior to ever exist. I don't see how one could argue Super Sayain 2 Goku being above that, just because Vegeta is shocked by how strong Goku is.
Vegeta was seeing the fight from the otherworld and was only brought forth when Gohan was failing against Buutenks.
@@UniversalPvphe didn’t watch everything
tbh when vegeta called goku the number 1 in the universe gohan and gotenks were dead, so I guess he isn't wrong
How is this still a debate?
Of course is buuhan
Kid Buu*
Kid Buu slams him, debate me
@@GokeezyTheSaiyanby your logic Goku ssj3 > super vegito? I hope this is a joke
@@GokeezyTheSaiyanGoku couldn't beat superBuu but was nearly a match for Kid Buu. Evil Buu separated from Good Buu = Kid Buu Buuhan>Kid Buu.
That's honestly the best way to put it. Glad I watched this video
Who would win? Majin with just Majin power or Majin with the same Majin power combined with Gohan, piccolo,goten and trunks
Apparently according to this guy take on the anime majin with just majin power😂
@@Smile-op1nr yeah,who else's power did kid buu have
That Majin Buu, when Fat Buu was removed, his power began to increase instead of decrease, and this is confirmed by Shin later, he even says that he is the most powerful when he already witnessed Buuhan and Buutenks
@@MostPowerfulMajinBuu yeah when fat Buu became evil Buu and then he became super buu his power did go up. But buuhan is not weaker than kid buu.
Goku stated he stood no chance against buuhan, it took fusion to be able to beat him, it did not take fusion to beat kid buu.
@@CoreySaielloyet you claim is contradicted by Shin’s statement
Normal Super Buu beats Kid Buu, much less Buuhan
Kid buu >>> super buu.
@@lololololol58.3 dawg no 💀
@@TheOneNamedSlick101 yes
Goku was afraid of Super buu but not kid buu.
Super buu>kid buu
@@lololololol58.3 Goku was sure he could beat Kid Buu, he never wanted to fight Super Buu
Just explain me this , if Buu loses power by absorbing people and super buu unlike kid buu has some level of intelligence, then why would super buu even bother absorbing Gotenks and piccolo , heck , he absolutely shouldn't absorb mystic Gohan after absorbing piccolo , because of piccolo's intelligence added to super buu at that point , pretty awful argument
He didn’t technically LOSE power when he absorbed the kais. When he absorbed south Kai he got way stronger. When he absorbed Grand Kai, his purity and (as said in super) his lack of intelligence just before absorption altered Buu’s personality so that most of his power was subdued. He CAN use it, he just doesn’t.
The reason super Buu is as strong and smart as he is is due to Evil Buu’s intelligence mixing with fat Buu’s intelligence and all that Kai power being unlocked due to Buu being MUCH more evil. Essentially double the intelligence and double the power of fat Buu
@@t5hammer871he lost power from absorbing the kais. Seems he permanently absorbed south kai into his being, unlike the fat one
I've always seen it as personality traits. Most of the Kais aren't warriors they just have natural powers and energy. Absorbing a peace loving kai would weaken him. Buutenks although is smarter than super Buu he also gained some of those personality traits like being goofy and teasing, once he absorbed Gohan he also had some of those saiyan arrogance traits as well he could have won if he didn't allow vegeta and goku to fuse but he was having fun. Buuhan is stronger but not as ruthless due to him having a heart. Kid Buu violence was his entertainment. Like that of a child he didn't know better to toy around or hold back he just enjoyed himself. Yet was weak enough to be destroyed by the revived earth spirit bomb. If the Earth spirit bomb was enough to kill buuhan, Goku would have been able to do so while revived from otherworld, imo bc a spirit bomb draws life energy from other sources. Also if he thought a Spirit bomb was enough why would he even train the kids when he would love to fight alone
@@718NecroLeX DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@SuperKamiGuruu kid buu the goat either way
Great video! This debate will never end.
I feel like one thing people seem to forget is that even the author or creator of a story can be wrong about things they themselves say when it conflicts with pre established information
Especially when we're talking about the man who forgot SSJ2 existed😂
Hell by toriyamas Logic ssj2 doesnt exist , the Dude forgets s Lot Like lunch
I think in both the anime and the manga that it's made clear that Buuhan is the strongest form of Majin Buu.
Look , your argument is not a relevant to considering that ultimate gohan on by the time of battle the gods with state to be the strongest.
So No Even in Anime Kid Buu is Weaker Regardless. Regardless of anime or Manga
Ultimate gohan was never stated to be the strongest in bog if anything he would be weaker since he would have stopped training
Please show where that’s stated
@@lololololol58.3And the battle of god's material he is stated to be the strongest. Stop ignoring truth
@@elpopman2055 can you show me the scan?
buuhan is the strongest buu in anime and manga
We are still having this discussion even tho it’s already confirmed who is the strongest
Buuhan is stronger, he in the video says him self, eather buuhan is steonger than kid buu because of vegito or kid buu and a weak goku are stronger than vegito and buuhan there is no in between, at the end of the day goku not vegito( fusión with all of it multiplyers) is the one that kills kid buu
8:48 old kai literally saying the SOULS plural kid buu ate tamed him.
Holding back the spirit bomb is the strongest feat in the manga and el manga legendario is like the only guidebook that doesn’t have kid buu as the strongest
Why is it so hard for the people to deny kid Buu is weaker than base super buu. Goku Was too scared to fight Base Super Buu.. Even.
When they were inside Buu. Goku stated hr and Vegeta Would Lose Even after Freeing Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks... That's the very reason why the Vegeta was desperate enough Free Good Buu.. It's the same freaking thing and the anime and the manga. Look feelings don't matter on the subject Goku ans Vegeta Notice Kid Buu Power Was Lowered..His Powee Was High In Buff.. But it immediately shrunk with the reverted to Kid Buu
Vegeta Went out of his Free Good Buu Because he knows boo would get Weaker.
Kid buu is stated to be a transformation of super buu
Kid buu > super buu
Wouldn’t goku be weaker when ever super buu showed up then by the time kid buu showed up goku would be stronger
@@Purple_23184 yeah
bc Goku said and Akira said Kid buu>>
I agree with you that Super Buu >> Kid Buu and its not even close . Not only do I think that Super Buu was stronger thank Kid Buu I think he was multiple times stronger , it wouldn't even be a fight , Super Buu would overpower him hard . Kid Buu is just more dangerous because he is basically just evil chaotic to the maximum with low intelligence and just more unpredictable than any other version of himself . Super Buu while not smart was not stupid and enjoyed fighting but even he knew once he sensed Gohan's energy that he was outclassed , as he even said before the fight , I can't let a power greater than my own exist .
Using the Falcouner score?? Subscribed
ever heard of zenkai boost? bro really think that ssj 3 goku vs kid buu is the same as ssj 3 goku first appearence
There’s no way a zenkai boost can surpass a fusion amp. That would be absurd and basically could make Goku beat any opponent just by losing once
With this logic you probably think SSJ3 > Ultimate Gohan 💀
@@Chris_HT in inside of buu goku defeated ultimate gohan in ssj state and its stated in the daizenshu that those "gohan and gotenks and piccolo" is the same strength as the real ones
@@darcko000 That’s an outlier because literally every fight we see Gohan in and statements from Goku say otherwise.
It was made clear that Ultimate Gohan was above SSJ3 Goku, and also, we don’t know if that Gohan was even using Ultimate inside Buu, but even if he did, it’s not consistent enough to give that since there’s more proof saying otherwise.
They ARE replicas, and it wouldn’t make sense for Gohan to even get Ultimate if Goku was THAT STRONG.
Gohan Low Diffed Super Buu, if SSJ goku can beat Ultimate Gohan than it just collapses all narrative and powerscaling at that point in Z.
@@darcko000 That fight is filler, does not happen in the manga. Goku stated he couldn't even defeat Super Buu while still inside, so how he is going to clap ultimate Gohan? *Daizenshuu btw lol. You should know the Daizenshuu has been wrong about a lot of things and has scaled improperly from the start pretty much. You simply cannot scale pre Saiyan Saga characters. Tambourine being stronger than Piccolo Daimao? Yeah, no.
Wow that was a pretty phenomenal breakdown of the anime version of this fight the only thing I'll say is that the daizenshuu does in fact make the Manga version of bit more complicated . It puts buu over gohan but still a great breakdown anyway
The battle between two murderous Chewing bubblegums
Preach bro, you shouldv'e also mentioned that in the manga when dende is talking about uub, he literally says "its true the evil version of majin buu was the most formidable enemy goku ever faced" at the time, and other translations outright state that kid buu was the most powerful enemy goku ever faced.
Nahh your takes are usually good but that was one of the weirdest and weakest arguments for kid buu being the strongest
I can't believe this is still a debate. I remember people on forums debating about this back in 2002 when I was in middle school!
Kid boo is not stronger.Because goku's power never increased that much.. It was even stated the Gohan Or Gotenks Would it be the more than powerful enough to easily kill kid Buu. Your argument falls apart to right there.
😭 where was that ever stated
@@YoungLáwdxStated before they fought Buu, but both Goku and Vegeta say otherwise
Bro 🙏😭
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
That’s not ever stated lol
Please do “raditz vs captain ginyu” next !
Seriously who thinks buuhan vs kidbuu is even a debate ?
Some stupid dragon ball fans thinks that because super buu can one shot kid buu let alone buuhan
Each time a saiyen experienced a greater power in them ,they absorbed it and make it permanent in base.Beerus states that in bog,same happen in goku black and in top.If goku can adapt to freaking goku ki within hour then vegeto power without ki would be a piece of cake.Which is why goku fought against kid buu is way stronger than one faced against buutenks.
Holy headcannon.
I don't know why people are still making the same points that have been on UA-cam for over ten years now, but I also don't know why I'm still watching a video about something I already know every possible take on.
Can someone explain how some people even argument this??? I mean where is the logic?? Akira Toriyama himself said that Ultimate Gohan is the strongest Z Warrior at the end of DBZ, stronger than SSJ3 Goku or anyone else.... and Buuhan basically absorbed ultimate gohan, not to mention gotenks and piccolo on top of that... and yet SSJ3 Goku can go toe to toe against Kid Buu even potentially defeat him, hooooow can you even claim or argument the fact that Buuhan is not faaaar stronger than Kid Buu? I seriously don't get it
And I wouldn't really put much emphasis on the english anime dub, because its WAY different than the original Japanese one... it has major differences. Just because in the English version they changed the dialoge so much doesn't make it "legit".
Toriyama never said that about gohan
@@kulo4912 Goku said him and Vegeta can't beat Super Buu, but Gohan destroyed Super Buu. Also in the manga WHICH WAS WRITTEN BY AKIRA himself, it is perfectly clear and stated clearly many times that Buuhan is stronger than Kid Buu, so what other proof do you guys need?
English dub is notorious for very inaccurate translations of the Japanese one, even Frieza who in the Japanese dub was said to be using only 1% of his power against Goku on Namek, in some English dubs he is apparently using Half his power etc... so English dub is completely useless to determine things because its not original and many things are made up.
@@alenx5455 kid buu being stated the strongest was all in Japanese not just dub
@@alenx5455 Honestly Buu's forms in terms of power imo would go like this : Buuhan > Buutenks > Super Buu > Kid Buu > Evil Fat Buu > Evil Buu > Good Fat Buu .
I mean it really shouldn't even be a debate that by the end of the Buu saga that Gohan was the strongest non fused / absorbed character in the series . Gohan would have clapped Goku in the Buu saga with ease , so would Gotenks . Its honestly funny how outclassed Goku was let alone Vegeta . Super Buu would have clapped Goku hard .
Kid Buu is touted as the most dangerous because he is just a killing machine not because of his raw destructive power .
Now I will say this , it is possible or even likely that by the end of DBZ you know the 10 year time skip that Goku is likely the strongest DBZ character because he continued to train while Gohan remained a book worm and likely got weaker again similar to what happened in the Buu saga because he didn't train for 7 years .
@@blabla-fw9ix Well since DBS has now reached the end of Z portion and Gohan is now ridiculously strong again, he might still be the strongest. I mean Toriyama did call Beast Gohan the strongest character "so it's said." But commented that Orange Piccolo is on par with "Goku and co." so if Piccolo is anywhere near them, Gohan probably is a little stronger.
Just doesn't have the same fight thirst or fight IQ, but he was able to out speed MUI Goku which shocked Vegeta a lot, as if nobody else besides maybe Whis was able to do that. Or he's just shocked that Gohan is that strong out of nowhere, but I mean, that was the case since the kid was 4, so I don't know why anyone's ever been surprised by that. Goku trained and fought so much from 12-18 and toddler Gohan just crying was 710.
Either way, DBS is going to be a mess without Toriyama, and with a ton of retcons incoming. Bulma not seeing Goku in 5 years and looking old, when she's been using the Dragon Balls to look young AND has been in regular contact with him? And like, why would they need Uub now, of all times, when they have Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Gohan, Piccolo who are all extremely powerful? Someone with strength like Kid Buu's, that's a fart in the wind by now.
It's like scaling a sperm to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Everyone got so much stronger the scale stopped working a long time ago.
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ Episode 278
20min59sec mark
Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!"
Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
Dawg just made the worst take in history did Brodie forget how powerscaling works💀
Actually he did it well, it's just that your criteria like that of other buuhan is garbage
@@MostPowerfulMajinBuu "Absorption powers him up except for when it doesn't that time" just isn't something i like to believe especially in dragon ball, it shouldn't be that difficult of a debate.
Because Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Vs Kid Buu), obviously wouldnt beat Buuhan, i feel like people dont put the pieces together and it gets confusing. You can make the argument with Gokus spirit bomb and all, and he energy given being stronger, and every other thing, but at that point it just becomes like its stretching the argument when its easier to prove Buuhan is stronger.
Super buu pfp lmao you definitely aren’t biased
@@Chris_HT And? That Goku became stronger than before because he could fight using only the Super Saiyan, a Ultimate Gohan and Super Buu, who were previously said to be at levels that not even Goku SSJ3 could reach, in addition to being weakened because they were smaller. and with the measly hundredth part of their power they did those feats, which are not contradicted because later Goku witnesses that Buu is becoming more powerful instead of weaker, then Shin corroborates the same saying that after having lost power with the absorptions He was once again the most powerful and problematic, and he says this knowing Buuhan, later Goku corroborates Shin's words and respecting the scaling, added to mentions where he is considered the most powerful warrior
@@MostPowerfulMajinBuu Nvm chat Kid Buu is stronger i was slow!
@AventSir you should do a video on the most powerful beings in the entire Dragonball universe. There is some controversy over Zeno, Zalama, and to an extent the Grand Preist and Zeno’s guards with the power hierarchy.
KID BUU IS THE MOST DANGEROUS, BUUHAN IS THE STRONGEST, SUPER BUU IS STRONGER THAN KID BUU BC ITS JUST KID BUU WITH THE KAI ABSORBED THEN REARRANGED. THIS IS OBVIOUS
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@SuperKamiGuruu in the manga he said kid buu is the most dangerous and wild not strongest
@yoriobasun5706 no it only said that he was the most troublesome, and even then how can you be the most troublesome without being the most powerful? There's a reason goku and vegeta fled from kid buu in his first appearance
@@SuperKamiGuruu Yes you can be , because Kid Buu just destroyed the Earth without 0 f@cks , Super Buu enjoyed fighting and especially Buuhan , what would they gain especially with their greater intellect to just destroy everything ? They know they can do it so it is not necessary .
@@SuperKamiGuruu you be the most troublesome by not being able to be reasoned with, you cause the most trouble. And I trust the manga 100x more than the Amin for source
Dawg this argument is never going to die 😂
In the manga didn’t goku admit he was over cocky and they should’ve used the earrings to beat kid buu
It doesn't matter ssj3 level Goku could go toe to toe with Kid Buu
The owners, creators, etc., dont really give a damn who is stronger, what is true, what is not, there are so many "canons" that contradicting opinions are both technically not wrong, it wasn't all super organized to make sure that everything makes sense. At the end of the day debates are many times a clash of headcanons formed by ignoring the parts of the canon they don't like.
This video spent a lot of time explaining nothing towards the backend
Its still Buuhan for both
No you just going ignore what is said
@@gamemastery3532 Most of what he said is "the anime said this"
My guy, the anime is still an adaptation. The manga is the greater source material and more importantly, Toriyama wasn't even as involved with the anime by the time of the Buu Saga. His biggest known involvement was how the fusion characters voices would sound.
@SGCentral OK and it's stil Anime more popular and many people didn't read manga
Why is it still a debate?
11:23 this is plot induced stupidity and anime over hyping because the anime still has all the manga statements you mentioned previously
just constant illogical contradictions
Facts are still facts, it's been known that the Buu saga isn't the best written ever of the DBZ sagas
Anime is pretty consistent
@@kulo4912 do you mean inconsistent?
@@xXSonTJXx no why
@@kulo4912 I thought you made a typo
Anyway like my original post stated
I disagree
Wouldn’t the filler just be non canon?
I'm tallying your takes bro first cabba > SSJ4 Gogeta, now Kid buu > Buuhan. Hoping for a 3rd next video lol
Nice video 100% agree
Manga: Super Buu
Anime: Kid Buu
The manga part is great but the anime part of this video is one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen in my whole life, it’s just logically wrong in so many aspects
Also how do you explain in the anime when Goku thought that Vegeta’s idea was to revive everyone so that they could get Gohan to beat Kid Buu?
He asked for gohan and gotenks to help in the fight he never said beat and why would he need both of them if gohan should be enough
Do you assume people get random powerups in Super? DBZ anime had similar problems.
As for second question, if Gohan and Gotenks can be used to stall Kid Buu, it is not out of reach for them to attempt Fusion if things don't go their way.
You blatantly skipped over the part in the manga where goku flat out says that ssj3 is a form for when he is dead and that it drains to much ki when alive meaning whenever you see him use ssj 3 except when dead in z he isn’t ever at full power ??? Like you just yapping bruh tbh
Why would kid buu suppress himself when he has no reason to
So he can toy with goku
@@gamemastery3532 why, he destroyed the earth without a second thought he obviously doesn’t care to hold himself back just to have fun
@@Chilickhe hit mr Satan in the face even after he spit fat buu out
@@kulo4912 yeah it’s a gag it’s the same reason cell knocks satan so hard he hit a mountain and still survived
@@Chilick not really kid buu just holds back
Lovin the db content
Get ready for the hate comments lol people take this debate very seriously
day 3 of asking for beast gohan vs ultra ego vegeta also amazing video again
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
Yeah let’s trust Goku the genius and Shin who’s NEVER wrong even once with this one. Also the writers of this arc couldn’t have cared less for accuracy
@@Immitis-ct7ic goku and shin are apparently only ever right when it benefits your narrative I see
This shows why scaling is not a science. People like to take random statements are ironclad feats despite the fact that they directly contradict the logic of the series. But at the same time, a lot of statements are meant to be taken seriously, especially in anime where they rely a lot on exposition.
About that Toriyama's interview talking about "Little One being stronger", actually Toriyama doesn't say yes or even agree with the question:
The question is "Characters are often stronger while being cute, like Kid Goku, and Freezer and Buu in their final form. Does it have a meaning ? Are you trying to explain kids, even if they look weaker, actually are greedy in power ?" Wich Toriyama answers "I just like going against people expectations, usualy strongest people are the bigger One, we don't expect that from Little characters. I just wanna tell a Story that makes sense while doing contradictions."
The question is (if you take of all the other things around it) "The strong characters are usualy the Little ones, do you have a sense, a meaning behind that choice ?" Wich is answered "I just like creating a surprise." In fact, he doesn't necessary say that it's Always the case, but that he likes that gimmic.
Also, we Can argue that the exemples used are wrong: Kid Goku wasn't the strongest, we can even argue that he've beatten Piccolo by a surprise attack while getting roasted by Mr. Popo after that, Freezer's final form is technicaly his full power one wich is not the cuttest (if we don't count "Meca Freezer") but even without it, he got "Golden" and "Black" forms wich aren't actually cute or smaller.
That interview can be use to Say "He surprises audience by making his first form more powerful than expected" but not necessaraly the strongest one.
16:33 this is a fake scan
you might have to show me this cus i don't recall it being fake
@hystor1c simply type in this scan to see if it's authentic and you'll be given the information how the interview doesn't actually officially exist anywhere. Same as this other one that I previously used to use for the case of kid buu owning buuhan. Had a whole fake website and everything full of fake interviews
@hystor1c just look up the legitimacy of the scan like I did, I used to use it a lot too.
No buu knew about kid Buu except kid Buu
Buutenks is also more powerful than kid buu.
No 💀
Of course he is even Super Buu is . Kid Buu is so outclassed he really feels like a kid at the adults table .
@@blabla-fw9ix literally stated that he’s the strongest but ok then
@@Purple_23184 Ok so why did Goku need to fuse with Vegeta against Buuhan if he was able to fight on equal terms with kid Buu ? Make it make logical sense .
@@blabla-fw9ix uh kid buu was toying with goku first of all and he said they needed to fuse for kid buu too he didn’t fuse since goku said he wanted it to be a fair fight plus he underestimate kid buu and goku was being cocky ur arguing against the story its self Toyama and goku and the narrator said he’s the strongest buu and there’s guides saying kid buu is the strongest with toyamas statements go look them up the Kai’s even says the absorbsions weaken buu in the manga
Buuhan destroys Kid Buu with ease and that's not a exaggeration, it literally required a fusion to fight him in both the anime and manga. Also Goku didn't want to fuse most likely because he was more confident against Kid Buu otherwise he would have fused immediately like when he did against Super Buu even before he absorbed Gohan
Goku not wanting to use fusion against Kid Buu was mostly Saiyan Pride and because Kid Buu was using his own power instead of using the power of others like Super Buu was.
It really depends on Anime or Manga. If going by Manga, then yes Buuhan wins... but going by Anime, then Kid Buu.
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The fact Buu+piccolo is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, literally shows how Buuhan is stronger
Buuhan, any opinion otherwise is just wrong
This shouldn’t even be a question. It’s Bulgar by a huge margin. Kid Buu is weaker and that’s evident by the fact that he lost every single person he had absorbed. Absorbing Gohan and the others is what made Buuhan so powerful
Plus you have to consider that Buuhan needed a fusion to heat while Kid Buu was beaten by just a regular SSJ3 Goku. There is no way Goku grew enough to not only surpass the amp that Vegito had but also was able to defeat a character stronger than Buuhan
13:39 I dont ever remember seeing a scratch on Vegito tho. Vegito even had to hit himself when Buu was inside him and that didnt budge him either
Kid Buu (strongest in anime)
Buuhan (strongest in manga)
This guy gets it
Wrong. Kid Buu Was Never Stronger. As even the source material stated that gohan is the strongest unfused individual in The Buu Saga.🤣🤣🤣..if Kid Buu was Stronger ..Buu Would Fold SS3 Goku
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@@elpopman2055 Base Goku = Ultimate Gohan. 🤨
@@martinvalenzuelah.1527me when I don’t fucking read
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Kid buu is stronger in both.
no he ain’t
@@Toddles why would Toriyama not correct the guy asserting that Kid buu is the strongest character? Also Toriyama’s writing shares common through lines in each arc, the villain’s final form is their strongest one and Buu’s final form was his original one.
Also if Toriyama considers the TV anime and his Manga as equal canon and one and the same, why tf would Kid Buu be weaker in one? Thats never been done ever.
Omg stop yapping. This is like saying semi perfect is stronger than perfect cell goofy.
XY / Y = X. XY is super buu, Y is fat buu, Y is kid buu
@@JammyRocket75 it’s actually not because semi perfect isn’t his final form
Buuhan was not only my favourite villain in all of DB, but also just downright my favourite character in the entire series. He is and always will be my pick. I always use him in DB games that have him as a selectable character. Him and Cell. Love them both!
This isn't even a debate kid buu stomps, high diff to mid diff
It is debate tho
In the anime maybe in the manga buuhan slams
@@Vader255 the anime is canon,in volume 7 of dragon book z it is stated that kid buu is the strongest
@@Vader255 it is also stated that buuhan = ssj3 goku
@@Vader255 in the v jump
Saying Kid buu is stronger than buuhan is like saying goku is stronger than vegito 🤦🏽♂️ why can’t people understand that kid buu is the original form and buuhan is like a fusion
Because it was stated that kid buu became weaker by absorbing due to gaining a heart whatever that means so you can argue kid buu is stronger than buuhan.
Kidbuu is the strongest majin and always will be get over it.😂
u have zero argument to base this claim after and are simply using bias to make a dumb judgement as that
Try not to use the 😂 emoji as your source in an argument
challenge: impossible
L of the century 💀
We all know the saying, finish it for me:
"Don't fuck with Dragon Ball fans..."
no ONE finished for blud 😭🙏
Kid boo is strongest than super boo gohan
Absolutely not
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@@gogeta-san4713
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@DISCHARGE2-3👈🏾🤡
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@SuperKamiGuruu I know about these statements but they are contradictory to what is shown , also it's very clear that the script writer didn't paid as much attention to the story
Ah this is a Classic discussion *opens Popcorn*
the crux of this argument is goku beats gohan and vegeta beats gotenks within superbuu if you dont have that you have the same scaling as the manga. BUUTTT death of the author applies because Gotenks Piccolo and Gohan are "as strong as normal" and yet it isnt vegeta who beats Gotenks its Piccolos SBC that wasnt even charged for more than a second, if they really were as strong as when they were alive then alive piccolo stomps superbuu. . . . . . come onnnnnnnnnn, they are clearly weaker than the real counterparts otherwise you have to say piccolo is now stronger than gotenks
Okay this topic is so played out. Buuhan is a fusion of course he beats Kid Buu. But Kid Buu is stronger than Base Super Buu
what i always thought is that when buu absorbed the kais his power went down. then when he absorbed the saiyans his power increased. after getting the absorbed ripped out he reverted to when he absorbed south kai then his power rose back to kid buu power. i believe buuhan had more raw power and intellect but kid buu doesn't think just destroys, buuhan should win cuz of regen hacks and strategy.
13:20 "Goku is stronger than Gohan at this point in time", that's a good one 🤣
16:52 Agreed that sources outside of the manga can be canon but the DBZ anime really isn't one of those things imo. People love to misinterpret this interview as Toriyama saying "the anime and manga are both canon to my vision!" but that's not really what he's saying. This particular interview is more along the lines of Toriyama admitting that the anime team had to create filler to pad things out and that whether you read the manga or watch the anime, you are getting the same overall story. I'm genuinely kinda confused how people came to constantly misinterpret this interview but I suspect it probably has something to do with people reading the interview with the intention of getting a specific answer out of it (in this case, that the anime has to be canon) instead of just... actually taking the interview for what it is ( an admission that people can enjoy dragon ball fully whether they are watching the anime or manga).
As for the DBS anime and manga, that's kinda different. Both follow the "Toriyama outline" but Toyotaro was chosen to be Toriyama's official successor. While there is no official statement on what Toriyama would have considered "canon" or whether he thought of both of them as canon, my personal opinion is that the DBS is the "canon" storyline as Toriyama's official successor is the one primarily writing/drawing it and Toriyama personally intervened to help with some story stuff. Especially since everything after the ToP in the manga was Toyotaro's writing, with Toriyama just helping out every now and then.
In Battle Of God's Goku says that even Vegito wouldn't be able to defeat Beerus. He's referencing Vegito from the buu saga but implying that a current Vegito still isn't enough which also says that Goku NEVER reach Vegito levels at any point up to the ritual to become SSJ GOD.
Hate power-scaling convos but was a lil' curious about what the consensus was regarding if Super Buu or Kid Buu is stronger (I lean Super). Stumbled across this video instead. While Goku's comment muddies the water a bit, I feel like you really gotta ignore so much of what's happening on screen (& common sense, honestly) to even begin to believe this is a debate. Like some of these comments are wild.
I won't say that Buuhan is stronger, but what I will say is that a story that has fusions lead to weaker characters removes any reasoning for those fusions in the first place.
Gohan was stated by Toriyama to be the strongest unfused character in DBZ, only being surpassed by Buutenks, Buuhan and Vegito
That has not been stated once like ever not by toriyama guidebooks anime or manga
We just gonna forget that Kid Buu had that kaioshin who fought Moro in him? And how it’s stated in the DBS anime (which is canon) that it took a universal spirit bomb to kill kid buu.
Also not to mention, you cannot tell how strong a Majin is since they’re suppressing their ki.
Can't believe we are still doing this in 2024. vro kid buu is uncontrollable and pure evil therefore he is the most 'Dangerous' form of buu. But Buuhan has the powers and abilities of every character he absorbed therefore he is the 'Strongest' form of buu
Dude He says hes the stongest majin not including kid buu, because kid buu is mindless. Remember what super buu said when vegeta was going to remove fat buu " stop or I'll cease to exist'. Not saying kid buu is stronger than buuhan though.
How I see it!
dabura = 3 billion
fat buu = 10 billion
good buu = 8 billion
evil buu = 12 billion
super buu = 20 billion
buucolo = 21 billion
buutenks = 45.6 billion
buuhan = 51.8 billion
kid buu = 23 billion
south supreme kai = 6.8 billion
grand supreme kai = 6.2 billion
1:46 goku only says this because he'd rather his son, the next generation, be the one to defeat the new threat.