This is How Much Quieter a Practice Kit Can Be
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Zildjian L80 + Aquarian Superpad compared with a full-on acoustic kit. How much quieter is this practice kit? Let’s find out. We’re doing a detailed comparison, cycling through several different playing volumes. We’ll measure the volume differences based on the levels recorded in Logic, and we’ll also listen to the amount of noise bleed each kit creates through the floor above. If you’re interested in creating YOUR ideal practice kit, find out how well these tools work BEFORE you fork out the cash! Whether you’re playing drums late at night, or you’re practicing in an apartment, some sort of effective quiet-practice method is a must. When you can bring your drum set noise levels down significantly, you can practice much more knowing that you’re not bothering family or neighbors.
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Your toms sound nice in this video
L80 cymbals, and Remo silent stroke heads in my drumset..Now, I can appreciate the difference of what the neighbours think about me😁🖒.
Hey Nestor, I also have the silent stokes - do you tune them just the same as standard heads?
@@andrewbell3476 Depends of what kind of rims you have. For me, they sound better with low tension instead of high. Try yourself.
That practice kit has an amazing snare
Just Jake right? almost sounds electronic. So smacky. Definitely could have uses other than just being quiet
Sounds perfect for sampling :)
8:14 this the most important comparison i think in the whole video.
great research, awesome video!
Hey Stephen! After watching your past videos on the topic a couple of months ago, I purchased the L80s and the Superpads. This solution is a blessing for late night practice. Thank you for the great info.
I've been very interested in the L80/superpad combination for awhile now, thanks for posting! Happy to see good results
This was definitely the most helpful of the videos I watched for these things. Thanks!
Awesome video. I’ve been looking into ways to quiet my kit recently and this just happened to be in my suggested videos. 👌🏼
Good work sir, really appreciated 👏
great job with this video! super helpful and informative!
This was really helpful, thanks Stephen.
Awesome job!! Thanks man for all the effort that you put in
Man just what I needed to watch 😭 I'm subscribing
Thank you for making this video!
The tambourine is like 130db alone
Dude I LOVE the kitchen sound. So boomy!
This is a fantastic comparison, extremely helpful for an apartment-dweller like me!
Very helpful, thank you!!
Excellent video. I can't thank you enough for making this gem. I've always had the luxury of an isolated drum studio. When I had to move into a smaller space, suddenly I had neighbors and noise to worry about, forcing me out of playing. I bought an electric conversion and all that jazz, but it hasn't inspired me to play as much as the real acoustic experience. It's been 3 years since I've played my acoustic kit. Quite frankly, it's depressing. This video has just given me a massive amount of hope, and I'm excited to try this out. I really would like to hear your practice mix with compression and gain applied. Is there any possible way I can get you to do that, please? Would be willing to buy you a beer for it! :D
Many thanks, Stephen. Great comparison. Appreciate the effort you went through to create this. Still on the fence whether or not we should invest in the Super Pads or the Black Holes (did watch your other video as well). Slight preference for the SPs as they seem closest to the real deal.
nice video and very helpfull too!
Great video, Steven! I was wondering what brand of drums you have and also the sizes on those drums? Toms sound sweet!
Thanks Stephen!! Such a wonderful thing to come across! Quick question, the RMS and peak numbers shown are the actual decibel levels? Thanks again!
Hey Stephen, I am a subscriber.
Thank you for taking so much time to make these very helpful videos.
I really like the sound of your quiet practice set up. I also watched your super pad Vs silent stroke Vs rtom video. I have one question. Would you consider swapping out your super pads for rtoms as these are what I'm tempted to purchase due to the rim shot and tuning capabilities..
Though I can hear the cool musicality you mentioned.. I just can't make up my mind 🤔🙄🤨😬
great video
Yo, that kitchen sound on the acoustic drums is a great room sound! Mix that in bro!
Ikr i want that exact sound as a reverb plug in on ableton lol
@@senoreverything6366 ask Stephen to give you a 1 shot of his snare and then use a convolution reverb Plugin to make it into a reverb :D IR verbs are fun!
I live in a RV Park / RV ... This video is very helpful. I will have to invest in some L80'S and Super pads. I am also considering Rtom black holes
Hi there, very nice & full comparison, I love it ! I'm surprised by the high volume in your kitchen even with low volume setup. Did you tried agean silent cymbals ? Volume wise, It's half between regular cymbals and L80 : too loud for practising the most silent way in a flat, but really nice to have a more controlled sound in a house without having head exploding after 3 hits on a crash :)
I dont even play drums why am i here
because
Guylum Alfaro ow
Arent u an MMA fan lol
Same 😂
Then start it :D
Very cool comparison :-)
the loudest for the 'practice kit' is -20.3. no wonder my neighbour is complaining haha
I appreciate this video...I sold my acoustic kit back around '07 (after playing some 32 years) because I had moved to an apartment...so I bought an e-kit (which to me has a different feel than an acoustic kit)...now (through this video) I better realize going with low volume cymbals and decent head muting can put me back into the acoustic kit saddle again(!)...oh, how I love drums...
i love the sound of your drums. deep and sensitive with fat tonality. what are they? and listening to those k customs makes me want to revisit them...absolutely beautiful sound. excellent demonstration of how much a difference a low volume kit makes.
Try this... Take a regular 1/2" thick cymbal felt, attach this felt underneath your cymbal half way between the edge and bell. Attach the felt with a screw, large washer and locking nut that will fit though one of your cymbal's holes. The washer should cover about 60-70% of the felt surface, but not the whole thing. Install the screw from the top side of the cymbal, then place the felt on the screw underneath the cymbal, then the washer then the locking nut. Only tighten to finger tight to start.
What will this do? reduce vibration and lower the overall sound of the cymbal. By tightening or loosening the felt, you will change the volume of the cymbal. Tighter = quieter.
By moving the location of the felt closer to the bell or closer to the edge, this will also change the pitch or tone of the cymbal. So if you are looking to play low volume cymbals without edging, or mutes, this is a serious option. The LOCK nut is crucial as the vibration from the cymbal will work to unscrew a non-locking nut.
I was using Sabian Quiet Tone cymbals, with a rubber edge guard, and triggers. I just purchased a full set of Agean R bronze low volume cymbals, and was surprised at how loud they were. So I started experimenting, as I wanted to play the cymbals without triggers... I stumbled along the cymbal felt idea and was very pleasantly surprised at the results.
Is it just me or the silent kit sounds louder with the kitchen microphones than with the ones right next to it?
Probably cause they vibrate the floor and it acts as a bit of a resonant chamber
I like the first beat You've been playing. So I have anything more to practice 😉
This is amazing, what a difference! I love that you included the mic from your kitchen as well. Do you think the results would be the same if the drums were on the floor above rather than below?
not particularly
I was watching this at a sleepover and I had my volume down cause it was about 2:30 AM, and when the Med loud switched to the Quiet I couldn't even hear it
Not Relevant not relevant
same story
Thank you
Hi Stephan, thanks for posting this video. Really helpful for me. One question, I realized that premium brands low volume cymbals like Zildjian tends to be more effective as compared to those coming from China. Any comments on this?
Hi. Very usefull vedeo. Thanks! May I ask what was the reso head and snares(cords) of the sn drum and also the bass drum head? Thanks!
oh yeah the other stephen! subbed
Hey Stephen. Could you do a video on this stuff comparing it to other instruments. I bought silent strokes and L80s a few years ago. During my research it was tough to see just how loud they were in context to other stuff. I made a video after I bought them but you are much better equipped to make a properly educational video
Wow I need those. Would make my wife very happy. Had no idea those heads existed
I would love to see a comparison of how this sounds vs a e drum kit
Some of those beats are so good what music has drums like that? So creative
Heyyy just watched your apartment video and then clicked one and was like niiiice he gotta house
Great one man! I have the Sabian Quiet Tone’s along with the Sound Off pads and they yield results very similar to this.
It’s great to have an outside view (and sound) of the difference it really makes.
You rock!!
did you ever try the Efnote drums? Any of them? I believe often you are not that in favour of edrums. But did get me an efnote and enjoying it a lot.
Great demo, nice job!
Great, but I think I have most important question:
What is the feeling / how you feel to playing at this silent stuff? Isn't the sound, and feeling strange? Is it still fun?
8:14 -18 dB of difference is, indeed, a huge difference!
Every -6 dB cuts the perceived volume in HALF.
So -18dB is half, of half, of half (or 12.5%) of the louder perceived volume level.
nah man, 3db is around half already
@@jjdiy 3dB is half power, but it's not half amplitude, and probably not half loudness either, which is debatably anywhere between 3 and 10dB, depending on who you ask.
But what are the noise levels in dB I couldnt read really what it said in the read square
EDIT: essentially only need to know the dB of regular kit played medium and loud :^> Thanks
How much of a difference is there in the feel of a regular drum head, compared to those Aquarian pads?
Haven't played drums in three years tutorial on how to make homemade kit💯👈
I'd recommend checking your local craigslist, FB marketplace, etc, as you'll often find decent used entry level setups for like $100. It's really, really helpful to have a kick pedal and hi-hat stand at the least (hard to home-make decent versions). Or maybe you could do like I did for the first few months I was learning: Sit on the floor with your right leg extended. Big ol' cardboard box for a bass drum that I kicked with the ball of my right foot, whacking sideways (foot raised a bit on some pillows to hit more of the center of the box). Cheap-as tambourine with some damping/wires on the head, and resting on a cardboard resonator box, to mimic a snare. More boxes for toms. And piles of metal wire shelving squares (like 1-foot square, the type you can build modular cube storage things out of) as kind of cymbal-ish sounds. I was also semi-successful making a little hi-hat "stand" that I could control the tension on by pulling down on wires with my left foot (left leg bent to make a "4" with my right leg). "Kick" and "snare" weren't bad sounding, "cymbals" definitely left something to be desired. I'm sure there are better homemade solutions if that's what you're after, but this setup served me pretty well and was fun to play and learn on until I got my first kit (full sized, with brass cymbals and some hardware, for $80 - and I sold miscellaneous extra drums/parts that came with it to make that money back right away anyway!) So yeah, buying a kit can be very inexpensive, but there are also other options, especially for the short-term or while you're waiting for a good deal to come up. Hope this was helpful!
dont even try it
just get the questlove pocket kit get their less than $300 and they sound good
Did it seem to anyone else like the direct mics were quieter than the room mics on the story above? There may have been no compression, but was the noise gate which would have had even more impact while recording the practice kit sections? Just trying to get clarification on data which could mislead a less experienced recording drummer.
For reference, what db level is 0 on your DAW?
Hi Stephen, I'm looking to muffing my drum kit, but super pads are very expensive, also Rtom, compared to remo silent stroke. Is really a big difference of quality, sound and feel? Are remo too bouncy? If I put a strip of duck tape on one side of the pad it will help to reduce the bouncy? Also, have you tested the Zildjian Gen 16 vs L80? Thank you!
He has video that compares them...searching for it.
are the low noise hat able to upgrade to have triggers to connect to an edrum module?
Creator on the Rise!
how would the practice kit compare to a full electronic kit? if you can overlook the sound quality difference, of course.
could the practice kit be hooked up to a MIDI mapper, and be used as an electronic kit?
I mean, the practice kit is _quiet_ , but it does seem to register the strikes well enough through the mics, so why not just route the signal through another device, amplify it and turn the quiet kit into a loud kit?
the thing here being, the loud kit works by means of physical strength over the instrument.
if you have a kit that muffles the impact of the physical strength (physical kit, not electronic) while still capturing a strong impact but without sound, you can turn that impact into sound, electronically, without an electronic kit per se.
IDK, I'm just impressed by the mechanics of it.
Nighthawk it sounds like you’re just talking about triggers + mesh heads. Affordable and decent solution.
Question: are you above or below the kitchen?
What if you mixed the kitchen room mic with the actual drums? I think it would sound pretty fat
Wow. How to silence the toms, snare and bass drum. Thanks
Cheers
Hey Stephen, can you compare the L80s with the Sabian Quiet Tone cymbals?
I have both ride & hats, the L80 sounds "better" to me, less harsh sounding that the quiet tones. Big plus for quiet tone ride is the bell sound which is much more defined/loud that on the L80 20" ride, but except that, I'll go for L80. If you look for better sounding cymbals (but really louder than L80), check Agean natural R / Jazz R series on drumtec channel for example !
@@philipPF thanks for the reply! That's very good info, thanks man
Hit those drums man! I waited for the "super loud" bit to see what it would be like in a rock setting, but you're still not playing very loud😭
But did you make a video on his to practice on a 1960s apartment
Your channel is very underestimated
Sam GW no, underestimated. UA-cam underestimated the view count, and put it to what it assumed.
guys pls help what do I know the intro music from
Amazing, 3½ times quieter!
I understand the acoustic sound some want but I feel electric drum kit might be the way to go (sound really nice and some have mesh heads for bounce) if you want quiet and you don’t have to deal with tuning and can get different sounds also can wear headphones but if you really want a real acoustic sound then yah practice kits are good.
Adam pazaz I have one. You still need to have dampening underneath for the high hat pedal and kick drum because there still is that stomping sound.
I have learned a few things, but chief among them all is that I play way too loud.
6:36 If my downstairs neighbor did that, I'd go down, knock on his door and personally beat his ASS! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣🥁🎶🎵🎶
Can you play low noise cymbals on an loud acoustic set?
I do. I also use k hh bottom lv hh top works great
No practice tambourine?? 😁
chad really be playing drums
Would the quiet set be a good way to use acoustic drums in a live setting where a full unadulterated set would overwhelm the room?
Try it.
What's the cymbals you are using?
Zildjian custom dark
Should try rtom
Still surprised that kitchen mic picked up some sound from the silent kit. It didn't sound that loud
Probably just because the floor soaks up some of the sound. 🤔
Why don't they produce the superpads any longer?
shame those dB readings are pretty irrelevant.. would have loved to see an actual dB meter in the room
yes
Blend the kitchen and main mics!!!
You loud is much quieter than my quiet....HIT THE DRUMS!!!!
at low volumes the hi end is loudest and at hi volumes the low end is loudest because science.
who else thinks a room mic in room above drums should be used on recordings?🍻
If you squint just a little, it looks like a disembodied head and arms playing the drums:-D
Woah how much money have you invested into drumming?
lol...the sound of the quiet drum set can even make you sleep.
Loud is more like normal medium
Uh. The low volume cymbals sound awkward. Don’t like them. I use silent sticks instead...
Im just amazed how long is your neck was
Alvarez TV was? What happened to his neck after this?
Could just turn your snares off and get probably no noticeable sound
That dude is all neck
I don't like snare sound of that silentstroke.
I just buy one of those noise canceling headphones construction workers have.
Problem solved
they only remove around 8 dB or smth
It's the fox! r/woooosh
this intro is wayyy too fast
sorry i made your likes uneven :P
Just buy an electric kit...
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I have a pretty nice electric kit, not the best, but nice. I would still way rather have this set up. Its a more realistic feel for practicing, e-drums have limited set up preference options, and unless you can afford all mesh heads they're still very loud to the other people in your home.
Troy Komanac and imagine having nice dynamics
Or keep your acoustic kit. Buy quiet cymbals and pads or just all pads and save a bunch of money and space