OK, I've owned the SAF Lock for just over a month now and here's my initial review: 1) Shoulda named it "Ludicrous!" or "Absurd!" It's laughably large. Impressively heavy. It dwarfs any other typical bike lock out there (Squire padlocks and Almax chains aside). I pictured it next to my Kryptonite NY Fug and K4 mini for perspective. But that said, it fits in a pannier and can be carried if you need to. 2) I've only used it as a "carry along" lock except one day I was riding past a destination I planned to visit the next day, so I locked it up there over night. I missed it! It's heavy and affects bike handling, but not any more than a visit to the grocery store for supplies. 3) Entering the keyway is a bit challenging. Hard to find "blind" by feel with the key tip. I'm very experienced with all manner of locks & keys and have no problem using most keys "blind." Well, this one is hard if you don't orient the key the proper direction. And the proper direction is not parallel with or perpendicular to the plane of the lock. It's at a strange angle and I still haven't become accustomed to where that is. This is a minor inconvenience. 4) Sticky on and off. They put two dimples of rubber on the shackle tips to give you a solid "clunk" when the crossbar has fully closed. Sometimes it's harder to close, given the balancing act between the heavy shackle and crossbar. 5) Ease of locking the bike: - First off, my traditional NY Fug locking option was out right off the bat: through the rear wheel in between the stays to a post (locks custom painted frame and Chris King rear wheel in one shot). Shackle's WAY too big for any traditionally-spoked wheel. Would work with a paired spoke wheel like Rolf, et al though. - Second, I DO NOT lock via the top tube. Too easy to cut the frame. I feel Altor's advertisements with the lock casually hanging on the top tube invites frame cutting. Just my observation and opinion. - Third, for my old horizontal top tube Crack-N-Fail frame, the SAF lock will not pass through the head tube as I originally hoped. Top and down tubes are too close to give the SAF Lock clearance. This will be true for anyone riding small(er) bikes or those with top and down tubes really close where they meet the head tube. This bummed me out because I advocate for head tube locking for added security (two tubes to cut, cables & stuff in the way). - Fourth, I've chosen the seat tube as my chosen frame tube to lock. For two reasons: first, it's virtually vertical and that makes locking straight across horizontally to a parking meter or bike rack easier. Angles quickly use up the lock's inner area and limits locking options. And the second, more important reason, is that the seat tube is harder to cut. It has another tube within it - the seat post. I actually went out of my way and ordered a extra-long 375mm post for my bike to act as a reinforcement (I wanted a black one anyway, so this was my perfect justification). - Fifth, It also occurred to me that the seat tube can be additionally reinforced two ways: One, you could add something within your seat post to prevent angle grinder attack. A steel rod? Aluminum rod? A length of old chain? (Sure, they might rattle around, but that's easily fixed with an old inner tube or plastic tubing.) Yes, this adds weight, but for some of us, it's worth it. Two, I'm thinking of bolting on a piece of 1/8" or 1/4" titanium stock (or even 90-degree angled stock) to my seat tube water bottle bosses as an additional (and visual) way to deter thieves considering cutting my frame. A length that would fit between the down tube at the BB and the top tube at the seat cluster would fully protect the seat tube and act as a good deterrent. It would sit parallel to the entire seat tube and fit under the Altor. 6) I'm glad to say the Altor fits around the "reinforced" parking meter poles that were popular a decade or two ago in some urban areas. The old mini locks often didn't fit the diameter. 7) Since I was no longer able to secure my rear wheel with my u-lock anymore, I realized I needed to incorporate a longer cable leash for both wheels now (in addition to using secure skewers). However, the loop on most cables is not nearly large enough for the Altor SAF. BUT, have no fear! Just use one loop end as a slipknot and bend a section of the cable tightly and run it though the loop. You now can secure one end of your cable after slip-knotting it through your front wheel! (So glad I thought of that and wasn't too dense at the moment of lock-up.) A neighbor on ND just had his secure garage broken into and his Kryptonite NY chain easily cut through and his bike stolen. And this is within a context of non-stop reports of burglary and bicycle theft. It's out of control, folks! So spend some time on bicycle (and home) security. If you're like me and own custom, irreplaceable bikes that mean a LOT to you, spend some dough, time and thought on safeguarding your valuable toys. I'm considering a Ring doorbell in my garage so if that thing tells me there's motion, I KNOW my garage security (beefy) has been breached!!! So, I hope this review helps. Since I'm not currently commuting to a regular location daily, I am not using the Altor SAF Lock as the manufacturer intends. When I do resume this, I will DEFINITELY use this lock as my #1. But I live in a really high theft area (SF Bay Area) and I have always taken bike security seriously. (One of my recurring stress dreams is bike theft. Every time!) I managed a campus bike shop that at the time in the 80's vied for the #1 worst theft location in the US with NY on a regular basis. And it's now WORSE than back then, thanks to powerful angle grinders.
Thanks Eric, We designed the SAF Lock for 5 inch (125mm) grinder because it is the most common size of battery powered angle grinder and the easiest to carry. That is why we designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to this size. You can not put a bigger grinding wheel on most 5 inch grinders safely, even if you take the guard off because the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM than a typical 5 inch angle grinder. Yes, portable grinders bigger than 5 inches do exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are harder to carry. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts every bike lock except for the SAF Lock. A thief with an angle grinder is more likely to move on to an easier target than buy a bigger grinder just to cut one lock.
Actually it would be interesting to see how it fares against a Sawzall (reciprocating saw) with a carbide blade on it like the Diablo Steel Demon. I kinda bet it would cut through easier than the angle grinder and still doable to carry around
Cutting deep enough is not the issue. You can make V cuts to remove the bulk as if you were felling a tree with a felling axe, then cut through the shackle. Lock companies need to spend more time thinking of ways to bypass locks than to bypass thieves. Maybe consider boron carbide, cubic boron nitride coatings or filling a small compartment surrounding the shackle with a solid sticky substance to foul the grinder, something that can't be drained prior to being cut.
@@based_demo I bought the lock, so I'll be seeing if you can lock your tires up with it. I think you can though. It seems to be enough room. It really depends on what you lock it to though. Biggest issue I see with this lock is having something to lock it to in the most non-bike-friendly places. It's like "Sweet, I got this awesome lock!" "Now where the hell do I put it? A friggin street sign?"
@@alexandergeorgiev2631 the lock is awesome! Has some drawbacks though. Biggest one is that you must find the ideal rack to lock your bike. This can be quite a search. Biggest plus other than security is that the lock will keep your bike taughtly secured to the rack and no one will be able to move it or knock it down really which is great if you also use a disk alarm lock like I do. So the way they recommend to use the lock is if you are a commuter that goes into an office or some building, keep the lock there. It’s got great rubber shielding for the elements. I personally don’t do this but rather keep in the workplace. I do keep it outside all the time when at home though. They recommend another lock to use for someone who is running errands and is going place to place as this lock will add on weight and is rather bulky. I just invest in locks overtime so this isn’t my only one but I’m very satisfied. I could post a review soon since I’ve had it for a while. Another thing to think about is if you get the lock, it’s obviously useable on other more expensive bikes so this lock and a folding lock as well as a disk alarm will be like the only ones you’ll need. Never know when a sweet deal will pop on a bike and this will be more than adequate for any higher end bike.
@@alexandergeorgiev2631 also unless your tube is tiny (like road bike tiny or the rack is small) you aren’t, unfortunately, going to be able to lock your wheel in addition to the frame... that was also kinda disappointing. Honestly, if this lock is out your price range, you’ll do fine with a really good quality folding lock as well as a good quality U lock.
Hi Heron, Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. Cutting the bike rack, would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock. This is why they use angle grinders to cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock resists attack, making your bike the hardest bike to steal and an unlikely target next to bikes with less secure locks.
@@altorlocks 1. cutting a bike rack wouldn't take that much longer and 2. Who the fuck is going to carry that monstrosity around with them? If the bike is really that valuable then a sawzall will do the trick real nice.
Nothing is "thief proof" and I can remove this lock with no talent in less than 30 sec (and no, I won't tell you how I can do.... but if someone @ Altor is interested, let me know)
Still waiting to see this go against a porta-band. Don’t think that alloy is going to bother a band saw. Would be a question if you could get it deep enough, and if you designed it so that both sides must be cut.
@@dripz167 No, you don’t. Milwaukee makes a really nice one. Ryobi and Dewalt also make them. Run for quite a while on a single battery under full load. The point is, cordless tools are a game changer in destructive vectors against security products. And if you’re doing a video on this type of attack, it would make sense to try different tools. Between the drills, chop saws, band saws, die grinders (BosnianBill has a good video on those), and other tools, the threat is greater than ever. I would also point out, you don’t see a lot of criminals with pick sets either, but the public (and many locksporters) seem fascinated with the idea of a criminal picking locks. CDPL. Criminals don’t pick locks.
I think the thought process here is that thieves aren't expecting to run into the hardest to steal bikes carrying an assortment of tools rather they are looking for easy prey. So, this lock probably isn't going to be very resistant to everything out there. Which is why taking your bike inside at night (if possible), using an assortment of locks, locking the bike up in plain sight, and not locking in the same place EVERY single time in addition to using this lock; isn't going to make it worthwhile for an average bike thief when there's easier prey.
Only thing that’s making me question how secure this really is, and something that I think LPL noticed in his video on this lock, is “great, the shackle’s basically impossible to cut - how grinder resistant is the parts of the lock that _aren’t_ the shackle?”
@@nolategame6367 if you’re just trying to break the lock, you don’t need to take out the key way - you just need to damage enough of the parts of the lock that hold the shackle to the rest of the lock to allow you to slip the bike out of the lock. And as far as I can tell, the lock body looks like it’s made of plastic, maybe with some internal metal reinforcement. Rather than the massive band of steel and aluminum that comprises the shackle.
Just placed my order. Looking forward to receiving it. Thanks for addressing the scourge of angle grinder attacks. If you at Altor are smart, you'll start selling u-lock retrofit sleeves for the hundreds of millions of u-locks already in service. You'd make a killing! I realize the aluminum outer sleeve is welded in place on the SAF lock. I'm sure there's an alternative way to secure the sleeve on an existing lock. I assume you have already patented your shackle-cover design and are employing this strategy. Unfortunately, you will sell very few $300 locks of this size. But for those of us who already own quality locks, upgrading them to thwart angle grinders would be the smartest move. If you can offer an aftermarket u-lock upgrade for around $90, I expect you'll sell millions. If not, you would be losing a major opportunity to sell a lot of units AND improve bicycle security for so many people. PS I should add that I'm kinda disappointed to see all of your marketing material showing bikes simply locked by the top tube, making for easy access for attack. Although most thieves won't cut frame tubes, it is a VERY easy work-around for someone parting out bikes. You you should be sure to show the Altor SAF locked through the bicycle's head tube. With the thicker frame material and, more importantly, the (usually) metal steer tube underneath, and four cables in the way, cutting through the bike becomes far less likely, improving security significantly.
Hey Dude On Bike, Thanks for purchasing one of our SAF Locks! We appreciate you taking the time to share your feedback with us. With input from consumers like you, we are able to innovate and adapt our locking technology to best meet your bike security needs. When we were first concepting the SAF Lock, the idea of an upgrade or “retrofit” design for existing locks was on the table. However, given the variety of shapes, sizes, and designs of U-locks on the market, the concept was deemed not feasible. You are correct in saying that locking up around the head tube provides advantages to the overall security. As you said, “parting out” bikes is uncommon, and unfortunately a lock cannot do much to stop a determined thief who is willing to make less money and lose their getaway vehicle, risking being caught carrying or pushing a cut bike. Our philosophy is to make the thief move on to an easier target.
@@altorlocks thanks for getting back to me. I appreciate it. I've been interested in the lock arena for over 30 years. I helped Bad Bones with a little product testing. I worked with my local campus police department and even National Bike Registry. I've beefed up many locks over the years to thwart leverage, bolt cutters, hammers and almost everything else. However, the damn angle grinder has proven a very serious adversary. I'm bummed the four Krypt. NY Fahgeddabouts I now own are not worth even the good deal I bought 'em for. We all love our powerful cordless tools (I just picked up a Milwaukee M12 Fuel drill/impact set and boy is it nice). But the downside has made formerly impenetrable locks very vulnerable. Such a shame. So your lock comes as a refreshing solution to the current scourge. However, I'm pretty sure my wife's gonna divorce me when I unpackage my SAF lock tonight and she finds out the price (probably shoulda asked first). But at the same time, she knows I'm a lock fanatic, so she can't claim ignorance! Plus, my fanatic attention to theft prevention means that we've avoided bike theft for 30 years since I lost my beloved 84 mountain bike... Not to tempt fate, but staying one step ahead and being smart seems to have paid off so far. Anyway, thanks again and I'll let you know my thoughts after using it for a while.
So if the lock is that hard to cut through, that's only part of the equation. The lock has to go around something. And nine out of ten times that lock goes around something that is easier to cut than the lock itself. So why not just cut the thin cheap pipe that the bike is locked to, and take both the lock and bike home to remove the lock at your own pace instead of in a hurry.
the pipes where u put your bike is made out of steel and cant be bent easily because of how thick and strong it is. thats why they cut the locks,not the fcking steel bars the bikes are attached to
The real vulnerability is the bicycle frame tube in the first place. You can handsaw through a top tube in seconds and not break a sweat, especially carbon. Granted, high-end bikes have high-end frames that are desirable to thieves. But so are the wheels and components. If your bike's nice enough, some thieves will be willing to sacrifice the frame for the parts, which would suck. But there's a solution to just locking the top tube: lock through the head tube and use locking bolts on your stem and bars. Cutting through the head tube and steer tube makes sacrificing the frame a much harder endeavor.
Riding with a dangling 6 kg lock around will be interesting. But can't you just shave of layers of the lock outer body at the curved part. When done enough the inner core should be exposed enough. Will take some more time though.
@@marke.8668 Many of the stainless steel cycle stands near where I live were snapped off at pavement level by a bunch of kids who didn't even use tools. They look substantial, but the gauge of the stainless steel is quite thin. The old fashioned galvanised steel stands that used to be there were thicker and not vulnerable to the method of attack they'd used, but it would be quick to cut the pipe in two with a hacksaw.
then you need to spend good time cutting that lock. but if you are really conserned about losing a key how can you have so expensive bike that you need this lock?
Thats a big lock ! On construction site we use batterie circular saw with metal carbide sawblades, cuts aluminium and steel verry fast up to 2 inch deep, would that lock resist ? Or any of them really... ?
That's the thing, it only goes so deep. The lock's design is about making it so thick you can't reach through it, rather than making it so hard that it can't be cut.
We designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to the 5 inch (125mm) cutting wheel because it is the most common size used with battery-powered angle grinders and the easiest to carry. So why not remove the guard and put a larger wheel on? Even if you take the guard off, the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM. Yes, portable grinders for these larger wheels exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are much harder to carry unseen. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts any bike lock in seconds, except for the SAF Lock. Our philosophy is to make the thief move on to an easier target.
I think the mechanism of the angle grinder gets in the way before the disc protection. At least that's my guess based on watching videos of people trying to cut this lock
Hi Danny, We designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to the 5 inch (125mm) cutting wheel because it is the most common size used with battery-powered angle grinders and the easiest to carry. So why not remove the guard and put a larger wheel on? Even if you take the guard off, the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM. Yes, portable grinders for these larger wheels exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are much harder to carry unseen. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts any bike lock in seconds, except for the SAF Lock. Our philosophy is to make the thief move on to an easier target.
Hi KiLLJoY, Please send us an email ( info@altorlocks.com ) with a picture of where on your bike you'd like to lock up and we'll give you our best estimate based on the dimensions of the lock.
Definitely a impressive lock!! I feel people will just start cuttin the bike or whatever its attached to though :/ i wish people could just be decent humans n not steal lol
Hi Merica, We are glad you like the SAF Lock, A thief could cut the bike rack, but that would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock and would bring more attention to the area that they are operating in. Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. This is why they use angle grinders, they can cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock makes your bike the hardest bike to steal so that a bike thief is most likely going to steal the bike next to it with a less secure lock. We wish people would be decent humans too.
Altor Locks oh no no im sorry its hard to express the way i was meaning that via text lol Its a oddly long way ill admit of saying you guys make an insane bike lock!!
Hi Michael, A thief could cut the bike rack, but that would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock and would bring more attention to the area that they are operating in. Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. This is why they use angle grinders, they can cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock makes your bike the hardest bike to steal so that a bike thief is most likely going to steal the bike next to it with a less secure lock.
Oh found your channel. At the price point you could make the lock much slimmer lock by understanding how a diamond dresser is made this tool is use to dress a grinding wheel imagine how much destruction will it cause to the grinder disk.
El candado sera muy bueno pero el corte lo harian sobre el tubo que es hueco y no sobre el candado asi qde todas formas se llevan la bicicleta con todo y candado
One could argue that at that price, it should have an alarm, an electrical shock feature, and a GPS for tracking. Or perhaps make it simply explode if ever defeated! (a variation on Skunk Lock) Bike thief revenge fantasies...
@@altorlocks Thanks for replying. I'm not sure if this is the exact name of the bike that I got as a gift. An Evans Strong folding bike.. made by Foxter? Looks like this: facebook.com/DensBikeShop/photos/pcb.2996181417148615/2996179820482108/?type=3&source=48
Hi Psix Psix, Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. Cutting the bike rack, would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock. This is why they use angle grinders to cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock resists attack, making your bike the hardest bike to steal and an unlikely target next to bikes with less secure locks.
I have one of their folding locks and I would like to warn you not to expect anything resembling customer service if you ever need extra keys. I ordered a set of replacement keys for my old lock with the "unique" key code. $30 later I have a set of key that are nothing like my old key and they share the same key code. Customer support summary: "It is your problem". So just a word of warning - I would suggest you look elsewhere... No matter how good your lock is it is not very useful without keys...
@@kABUSE1 Mine came with 2. Regardless. If you take my money to make me a replacement set and then do not send me what I ordered then I expect either a correct set or my money back! I have learned my lesson and will not be dealing with this company ever again. And hope to help others avoid the disappointment of dealing with them either.
have you tried not losing the keys to a $300 lock? that would be my go to solution. i dont expect any company to just send out keys to people, least of all one that is aiming for high security
@@jeremymcadam7400 I will try to explain it to you like I would to a 5 year old - when I pay a company 30 dollars to send me a new set of keys and tell them the UNIQUE code to make sure it is the keys i get are the right ones. Now it would appear that is too much to ask from the people running Altor. And, sadly, it appears it is too much for you to understand as well.
@@eugenek4916 what i understand is that you lost both keys (people are saying they come with 4 so i'm willing to bet you lost all of them at the same time) and got angry at the manufacturer. i'd bet $100 you're an american over the age of 35 going by your self righteousness
A 5 inch (125mm) grinder is the most common size of battery powered angle grinder and the easiest to carry. That is why we designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to this size. You can not put a bigger grinding wheel on most 5 inch grinders safely, even if you take the guard off because the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM than a typical 5 inch angle grinder. Yes, portable grinders bigger than 5 inches do exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are harder to carry. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts every bike lock except for the SAF Lock. A thief with an angle grinder is more likely to move on to an easier target than buy a bigger grinder just to cut one lock.
A bandsaw utilizes flexible steel blades that cannot cut the hardened shackle material underneath. U-locks have thwarted bandsaws, hacksaws, etc. for decades.
Thiefs are so annoying than it's what we need in 2020 to protect our bike correctly for a long time in a large metropolitan area. Now you need to improve this with something ligther but as solid as the SAF lock.
A 5 inch (125mm) grinder is the most common size of battery powered angle grinder and the easiest to carry. That is why we designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to this size. You can not put a bigger grinding wheel on most 5 inch grinders safely, even if you take the guard off because the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM than a typical 5 inch angle grinder. Yes, portable grinders bigger than 5 inches do exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are harder to carry. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts every bike lock except for the SAF Lock. A thief with an angle grinder is more likely to move on to an easier target than buy a bigger grinder just to cut one lock.
Cut the frame. Bypass the lock entirely. The frame can be plugged and repaired. The bits and pieces are expensive enough to sell separately. About 5 seconds. Gone.
Hi Nukebommer360, A thief could cut the bike rack, but that would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock and would bring more attention to the area that they are operating in. Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. This is why they use angle grinders, they can cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock makes your bike the hardest bike to steal so that a bike thief is most likely going to steal the bike next to it with a less secure lock.
Hi The Devil, Bike thieves typically don’t use reciprocating saws or SAWZALLs because they produce a lot of vibration and require two hands to control, making them difficult to cut any bike lock, even one on a rack. SAWZALLs are best for cutting objects that are in a vise or restrained by some other means. Standard saw blades for metal dull very quickly when cutting steel that is hardened to 50HRC or harder. Carbide blades do exist for SAWZALLs, but they are still much slower than an angle grinder against hardened steel, so thieves do not use them. A thief could bring a clamp or something else to constrain the lock, but this is uncommon and would be a burden. An angle grinder can cut any bike lock faster than the SAF Lock, and it’s easier to carry than a SAWZALL.
@@altorlocks You missed the point entirely. This bike lock isn't for travel. It's for at home use hence the large size. Typical bike thieves don't steal a bike right off your property either. This lock can be forced with your foot to stay still to cut it with a sawzall. I have cut hardened steel with a sawzall. With the correct blade I could get through that lock in three minuets. The point is it can be cut off easily with the correct tool. But all that is irrelevant. The lock is going to be locked onto something way easier to cut anyway so it's pointless. Cut the bike rack. Done.
You guys should really put it to the test by documenting a real thief using an angle grinder with the help of a cctv camera. Do that then i might overlook this U-lock's ridiculous price tag Lol! But in all seriousness, you guys should for good of most bike owners.
Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. If a thief chooses to cut the bike instead, they’ve lost their getaway vehicle and now have extra welding to do. They use angle grinders to cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. A thief can NOT cut the SAF Lock so easily. Our philosophy is to make the thief move on to an easier target. Why make extra work and risk getting caught carrying or pushing a cut bike when they can just find an easier bike to steal?
Altor Locks it’s just an idea for thieves that want to break the mould and challenge themselves. Level 1: steal bike level 5: Cut bike into pieces without getting caught
Only the dumbest shitheads would cut the bike. They would rather cut the bike rack or vandalize it. If a bike frame is made of aluminium, then welding is pretty much not an option for most people, as is much harder than welding steel. They also want to sell it as fast as possible with minimum effort and fixing it takes time. They would have to remove a large chunk of the frame to remove such massive lock, which might make bike unusable. Keep in mind thieves are LAF (pronounced Lazy as F), otherwise, they would find a normal job.
Hi ZeeeBoss, A thief could cut the bike rack, but that would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock and would bring more attention to the area that they are operating in. Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. This is why they use angle grinders, they can cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock makes your bike the hardest bike to steal so that a bike thief is most likely going to steal the bike next to it with a less secure lock.
That design is over 100 years old, invented by Emil Hendriksson. The founder of Abloy. Although this lock has the second generation of Abloy core (The Profile) it still works on the same principal so it's nothing new. I wouldn't worry about it too much, the tools and knowledge required to pick this lock are scarce to say the least.
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Congratulations. The LockPickingLawyer gave you his approval for this lock. I think that is the highest recognition a lock can have
Yep. The LPL's video is what brought me here.
I had to come check the lock out for myself when he basically said nobody is gonna get through it
His desk isn't street
I agree
Needs a LPL Seal Of Safety sticker
*recommended by LPL*
I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCKS
I don't have a bike, and after the LockPicking Lawyer Video, i wanted to have a bike just to use this lock, really good work.
LPL gang! Let's go boys
OK, I've owned the SAF Lock for just over a month now and here's my initial review:
1) Shoulda named it "Ludicrous!" or "Absurd!" It's laughably large. Impressively heavy. It dwarfs any other typical bike lock out there (Squire padlocks and Almax chains aside). I pictured it next to my Kryptonite NY Fug and K4 mini for perspective. But that said, it fits in a pannier and can be carried if you need to.
2) I've only used it as a "carry along" lock except one day I was riding past a destination I planned to visit the next day, so I locked it up there over night. I missed it! It's heavy and affects bike handling, but not any more than a visit to the grocery store for supplies.
3) Entering the keyway is a bit challenging. Hard to find "blind" by feel with the key tip. I'm very experienced with all manner of locks & keys and have no problem using most keys "blind." Well, this one is hard if you don't orient the key the proper direction. And the proper direction is not parallel with or perpendicular to the plane of the lock. It's at a strange angle and I still haven't become accustomed to where that is. This is a minor inconvenience.
4) Sticky on and off. They put two dimples of rubber on the shackle tips to give you a solid "clunk" when the crossbar has fully closed. Sometimes it's harder to close, given the balancing act between the heavy shackle and crossbar.
5) Ease of locking the bike:
- First off, my traditional NY Fug locking option was out right off the bat: through the rear wheel in between the stays to a post (locks custom painted frame and Chris King rear wheel in one shot). Shackle's WAY too big for any traditionally-spoked wheel. Would work with a paired spoke wheel like Rolf, et al though.
- Second, I DO NOT lock via the top tube. Too easy to cut the frame. I feel Altor's advertisements with the lock casually hanging on the top tube invites frame cutting. Just my observation and opinion.
- Third, for my old horizontal top tube Crack-N-Fail frame, the SAF lock will not pass through the head tube as I originally hoped. Top and down tubes are too close to give the SAF Lock clearance. This will be true for anyone riding small(er) bikes or those with top and down tubes really close where they meet the head tube. This bummed me out because I advocate for head tube locking for added security (two tubes to cut, cables & stuff in the way).
- Fourth, I've chosen the seat tube as my chosen frame tube to lock. For two reasons: first, it's virtually vertical and that makes locking straight across horizontally to a parking meter or bike rack easier. Angles quickly use up the lock's inner area and limits locking options. And the second, more important reason, is that the seat tube is harder to cut. It has another tube within it - the seat post. I actually went out of my way and ordered a extra-long 375mm post for my bike to act as a reinforcement (I wanted a black one anyway, so this was my perfect justification).
- Fifth, It also occurred to me that the seat tube can be additionally reinforced two ways: One, you could add something within your seat post to prevent angle grinder attack. A steel rod? Aluminum rod? A length of old chain? (Sure, they might rattle around, but that's easily fixed with an old inner tube or plastic tubing.) Yes, this adds weight, but for some of us, it's worth it. Two, I'm thinking of bolting on a piece of 1/8" or 1/4" titanium stock (or even 90-degree angled stock) to my seat tube water bottle bosses as an additional (and visual) way to deter thieves considering cutting my frame. A length that would fit between the down tube at the BB and the top tube at the seat cluster would fully protect the seat tube and act as a good deterrent. It would sit parallel to the entire seat tube and fit under the Altor.
6) I'm glad to say the Altor fits around the "reinforced" parking meter poles that were popular a decade or two ago in some urban areas. The old mini locks often didn't fit the diameter.
7) Since I was no longer able to secure my rear wheel with my u-lock anymore, I realized I needed to incorporate a longer cable leash for both wheels now (in addition to using secure skewers). However, the loop on most cables is not nearly large enough for the Altor SAF. BUT, have no fear! Just use one loop end as a slipknot and bend a section of the cable tightly and run it though the loop. You now can secure one end of your cable after slip-knotting it through your front wheel! (So glad I thought of that and wasn't too dense at the moment of lock-up.)
A neighbor on ND just had his secure garage broken into and his Kryptonite NY chain easily cut through and his bike stolen. And this is within a context of non-stop reports of burglary and bicycle theft. It's out of control, folks! So spend some time on bicycle (and home) security. If you're like me and own custom, irreplaceable bikes that mean a LOT to you, spend some dough, time and thought on safeguarding your valuable toys. I'm considering a Ring doorbell in my garage so if that thing tells me there's motion, I KNOW my garage security (beefy) has been breached!!!
So, I hope this review helps. Since I'm not currently commuting to a regular location daily, I am not using the Altor SAF Lock as the manufacturer intends. When I do resume this, I will DEFINITELY use this lock as my #1. But I live in a really high theft area (SF Bay Area) and I have always taken bike security seriously. (One of my recurring stress dreams is bike theft. Every time!) I managed a campus bike shop that at the time in the 80's vied for the #1 worst theft location in the US with NY on a regular basis. And it's now WORSE than back then, thanks to powerful angle grinders.
I feel like I read a post on r/HobbyDrama :) nice review
You should make a video and let me know. I couldn't tell if i should buy this lock or not. I would think they will cut whatever ur locked to anyways.
When your lock is more expensive than the bike, so instead of the thief cutting the lock, they cut the bike instead 🤣
And then weld it back together.
So much for "countering the [lol, "evolution"] of bike thefts.
After LPL video, this lock will be selling like toilet paper!
not at 300$
“Time to get a bigger angle grinder” just kidding, wonderful product!
not really, they already make 7 in cordless versions.
Thanks Eric,
We designed the SAF Lock for 5 inch (125mm) grinder because it is the most common size of battery powered angle grinder and the easiest to carry. That is why we designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to this size. You can not put a bigger grinding wheel on most 5 inch grinders safely, even if you take the guard off because the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM than a typical 5 inch angle grinder. Yes, portable grinders bigger than 5 inches do exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are harder to carry. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts every bike lock except for the SAF Lock. A thief with an angle grinder is more likely to move on to an easier target than buy a bigger grinder just to cut one lock.
Altor Locks Brilliant design!
@@altorlocks *strongman with good sneaking skills comes along* _takes larger angle grinder with him_ where's my bike?!
Actually it would be interesting to see how it fares against a Sawzall (reciprocating saw) with a carbide blade on it like the Diablo Steel Demon. I kinda bet it would cut through easier than the angle grinder and still doable to carry around
I approve of this lock. It's clear to see a lot of work went into this, a lot of theory and a lot of testing. Well done!
Cutting deep enough is not the issue. You can make V cuts to remove the bulk as if you were felling a tree with a felling axe, then cut through the shackle. Lock companies need to spend more time thinking of ways to bypass locks than to bypass thieves. Maybe consider boron carbide, cubic boron nitride coatings or filling a small compartment surrounding the shackle with a solid sticky substance to foul the grinder, something that can't be drained prior to being cut.
Pressurised Mustard or Cyanide gas applied in the same principal as the Skunk Lock.
Awesome product. A bit limited use considering its size and weight, but still a great attempt to solve the problem. Bravo.
I was expecting some clever use of a composite material... instead you've just made it so chuffing thick that a regular 5" disc isn't big enough!
They went with so thicc cant cut but also cant lock tires lock XD
@@based_demo I bought the lock, so I'll be seeing if you can lock your tires up with it. I think you can though. It seems to be enough room. It really depends on what you lock it to though. Biggest issue I see with this lock is having something to lock it to in the most non-bike-friendly places. It's like "Sweet, I got this awesome lock!" "Now where the hell do I put it? A friggin street sign?"
@@ShiftingCloudsYT how has the lock been?
@@alexandergeorgiev2631 the lock is awesome! Has some drawbacks though. Biggest one is that you must find the ideal rack to lock your bike. This can be quite a search. Biggest plus other than security is that the lock will keep your bike taughtly secured to the rack and no one will be able to move it or knock it down really which is great if you also use a disk alarm lock like I do. So the way they recommend to use the lock is if you are a commuter that goes into an office or some building, keep the lock there. It’s got great rubber shielding for the elements. I personally don’t do this but rather keep in the workplace. I do keep it outside all the time when at home though. They recommend another lock to use for someone who is running errands and is going place to place as this lock will add on weight and is rather bulky. I just invest in locks overtime so this isn’t my only one but I’m very satisfied. I could post a review soon since I’ve had it for a while. Another thing to think about is if you get the lock, it’s obviously useable on other more expensive bikes so this lock and a folding lock as well as a disk alarm will be like the only ones you’ll need. Never know when a sweet deal will pop on a bike and this will be more than adequate for any higher end bike.
@@alexandergeorgiev2631 also unless your tube is tiny (like road bike tiny or the rack is small) you aren’t, unfortunately, going to be able to lock your wheel in addition to the frame... that was also kinda disappointing. Honestly, if this lock is out your price range, you’ll do fine with a really good quality folding lock as well as a good quality U lock.
Have you thought of filling the inside with those nylon strands in chainsaw chaps the immediately gum up rotating motors?
What if the thief cuts the pole instead of the lock?
Or the bike, just out of frustration.
Hi Heron,
Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. Cutting the bike rack, would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock. This is why they use angle grinders to cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock resists attack, making your bike the hardest bike to steal and an unlikely target next to bikes with less secure locks.
@@altorlocks So if you want to be really sure, place a decoy bike next to your actual bike?
@@altorlocks If cutting the pole isn't a concern, why don't you demonstrate the futility of it?
@@altorlocks 1. cutting a bike rack wouldn't take that much longer and 2. Who the fuck is going to carry that monstrosity around with them? If the bike is really that valuable then a sawzall will do the trick real nice.
LPL brought me here. Definitely buying one.
Probably the only lock that is truly virtually thief proof
Nothing is "thief proof" and I can remove this lock with no talent in less than 30 sec (and no, I won't tell you how I can do.... but if someone @ Altor is interested, let me know)
@@Bazuzeus well, you should make a video on it mr 30 sec guy xD
good for us and good for the company.
thank you so much for the development!
Still waiting to see this go against a porta-band. Don’t think that alloy is going to bother a band saw. Would be a question if you could get it deep enough, and if you designed it so that both sides must be cut.
Don’t see too many thieves with a (portable) band saw
@@dripz167 No, you don’t. Milwaukee makes a really nice one. Ryobi and Dewalt also make them. Run for quite a while on a single battery under full load.
The point is, cordless tools are a game changer in destructive vectors against security products. And if you’re doing a video on this type of attack, it would make sense to try different tools. Between the drills, chop saws, band saws, die grinders (BosnianBill has a good video on those), and other tools, the threat is greater than ever.
I would also point out, you don’t see a lot of criminals with pick sets either, but the public (and many locksporters) seem fascinated with the idea of a criminal picking locks. CDPL. Criminals don’t pick locks.
Wouldn't a Sawzall chew right though the shackle? A Sawzall is about the same size as an angle grinder and isn't limited by circumferance.
Wouldn't it be easier to drill the core/ cut not trough shackle, but body of the lock?
I hope someone tries it
I think the thought process here is that thieves aren't expecting to run into the hardest to steal bikes carrying an assortment of tools rather they are looking for easy prey. So, this lock probably isn't going to be very resistant to everything out there. Which is why taking your bike inside at night (if possible), using an assortment of locks, locking the bike up in plain sight, and not locking in the same place EVERY single time in addition to using this lock; isn't going to make it worthwhile for an average bike thief when there's easier prey.
Only thing that’s making me question how secure this really is, and something that I think LPL noticed in his video on this lock, is “great, the shackle’s basically impossible to cut - how grinder resistant is the parts of the lock that _aren’t_ the shackle?”
Well the body looks even thicker, and the keyway is pretty far in the frame so... Probably just as futile an endeavour
@@nolategame6367 if you’re just trying to break the lock, you don’t need to take out the key way - you just need to damage enough of the parts of the lock that hold the shackle to the rest of the lock to allow you to slip the bike out of the lock. And as far as I can tell, the lock body looks like it’s made of plastic, maybe with some internal metal reinforcement. Rather than the massive band of steel and aluminum that comprises the shackle.
Just placed my order. Looking forward to receiving it. Thanks for addressing the scourge of angle grinder attacks.
If you at Altor are smart, you'll start selling u-lock retrofit sleeves for the hundreds of millions of u-locks already in service. You'd make a killing! I realize the aluminum outer sleeve is welded in place on the SAF lock. I'm sure there's an alternative way to secure the sleeve on an existing lock. I assume you have already patented your shackle-cover design and are employing this strategy.
Unfortunately, you will sell very few $300 locks of this size. But for those of us who already own quality locks, upgrading them to thwart angle grinders would be the smartest move. If you can offer an aftermarket u-lock upgrade for around $90, I expect you'll sell millions.
If not, you would be losing a major opportunity to sell a lot of units AND improve bicycle security for so many people.
PS I should add that I'm kinda disappointed to see all of your marketing material showing bikes simply locked by the top tube, making for easy access for attack. Although most thieves won't cut frame tubes, it is a VERY easy work-around for someone parting out bikes. You you should be sure to show the Altor SAF locked through the bicycle's head tube. With the thicker frame material and, more importantly, the (usually) metal steer tube underneath, and four cables in the way, cutting through the bike becomes far less likely, improving security significantly.
Hey Dude On Bike,
Thanks for purchasing one of our SAF Locks! We appreciate you taking the time to share your feedback with us. With input from consumers like you, we are able to innovate and adapt our locking technology to best meet your bike security needs.
When we were first concepting the SAF Lock, the idea of an upgrade or “retrofit” design for existing locks was on the table. However, given the variety of shapes, sizes, and designs of U-locks on the market, the concept was deemed not feasible.
You are correct in saying that locking up around the head tube provides advantages to the overall security. As you said, “parting out” bikes is uncommon, and unfortunately a lock cannot do much to stop a determined thief who is willing to make less money and lose their getaway vehicle, risking being caught carrying or pushing a cut bike. Our philosophy is to make the thief move on to an easier target.
@@altorlocks thanks for getting back to me. I appreciate it. I've been interested in the lock arena for over 30 years. I helped Bad Bones with a little product testing. I worked with my local campus police department and even National Bike Registry. I've beefed up many locks over the years to thwart leverage, bolt cutters, hammers and almost everything else. However, the damn angle grinder has proven a very serious adversary. I'm bummed the four Krypt. NY Fahgeddabouts I now own are not worth even the good deal I bought 'em for. We all love our powerful cordless tools (I just picked up a Milwaukee M12 Fuel drill/impact set and boy is it nice). But the downside has made formerly impenetrable locks very vulnerable. Such a shame.
So your lock comes as a refreshing solution to the current scourge. However, I'm pretty sure my wife's gonna divorce me when I unpackage my SAF lock tonight and she finds out the price (probably shoulda asked first). But at the same time, she knows I'm a lock fanatic, so she can't claim ignorance! Plus, my fanatic attention to theft prevention means that we've avoided bike theft for 30 years since I lost my beloved 84 mountain bike... Not to tempt fate, but staying one step ahead and being smart seems to have paid off so far.
Anyway, thanks again and I'll let you know my thoughts after using it for a while.
@@dudeonbike800 We're definitely lock fanatics too! We look forward to hearing about your experience using your new SAF Lock.
Question. Couldn’t you cut the plastic off with a razor blade then separate the 2 aluminum pieces then cut the middle part and be done with?
Bigger diameter grinder disk, and more time, and thief is off with the goodies (but another target is likely easier)
Seems like the aluminium wall is way thinner from the inside, but would an angle grinder fit?
So if the lock is that hard to cut through, that's only part of the equation. The lock has to go around something. And nine out of ten times that lock goes around something that is easier to cut than the lock itself. So why not just cut the thin cheap pipe that the bike is locked to, and take both the lock and bike home to remove the lock at your own pace instead of in a hurry.
the pipes where u put your bike is made out of steel and cant be bent easily because of how thick and strong it is. thats why they cut the locks,not the fcking steel bars the bikes are attached to
@@marke.8668 Because using your brain is WRONG!!! heh It is soft steel pipe and you can cut it in no time(twice)...
The real vulnerability is the bicycle frame tube in the first place. You can handsaw through a top tube in seconds and not break a sweat, especially carbon. Granted, high-end bikes have high-end frames that are desirable to thieves. But so are the wheels and components. If your bike's nice enough, some thieves will be willing to sacrifice the frame for the parts, which would suck.
But there's a solution to just locking the top tube: lock through the head tube and use locking bolts on your stem and bars. Cutting through the head tube and steer tube makes sacrificing the frame a much harder endeavor.
Riding with a dangling 6 kg lock around will be interesting. But can't you just shave of layers of the lock outer body at the curved part. When done enough the inner core should be exposed enough. Will take some more time though.
@@marke.8668 Many of the stainless steel cycle stands near where I live were snapped off at pavement level by a bunch of kids who didn't even use tools. They look substantial, but the gauge of the stainless steel is quite thin. The old fashioned galvanised steel stands that used to be there were thicker and not vulnerable to the method of attack they'd used, but it would be quick to cut the pipe in two with a hacksaw.
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@Altorlocks can you use these with moped wheels?
How do I buy the carry bag for the SAF2516?
Is the core grinder-proof tho? You know... the part where the you insert the key... Not the "U" shape part
I’d be terrified of owning a lock THAT resistant to physical attack and picking. What if I lose the key?
then you need to spend good time cutting that lock. but if you are really conserned about losing a key how can you have so expensive bike that you need this lock?
Could just get a spare key, and it’s not a traveling lock , so the key should be at your home or the office
Thats a big lock ! On construction site we use batterie circular saw with metal carbide sawblades, cuts aluminium and steel verry fast up to 2 inch deep, would that lock resist ? Or any of them really... ?
That's the thing, it only goes so deep. The lock's design is about making it so thick you can't reach through it, rather than making it so hard that it can't be cut.
It protects against grinder docs/blades put to 5inches. So if I throw a 6 or 7 inch blade on my grinder, then it’ll cut straight through it?
We designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to the 5 inch (125mm) cutting wheel because it is the most common size used with battery-powered angle grinders and the easiest to carry. So why not remove the guard and put a larger wheel on? Even if you take the guard off, the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM. Yes, portable grinders for these larger wheels exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are much harder to carry unseen. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts any bike lock in seconds, except for the SAF Lock. Our philosophy is to make the thief move on to an easier target.
what about if the thief uses a larger diameter disk by removing the distk protection.... will be cut in minutes... or i m wrong?
I think the mechanism of the angle grinder gets in the way before the disc protection. At least that's my guess based on watching videos of people trying to cut this lock
Hi Danny,
We designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to the 5 inch (125mm) cutting wheel because it is the most common size used with battery-powered angle grinders and the easiest to carry. So why not remove the guard and put a larger wheel on? Even if you take the guard off, the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM. Yes, portable grinders for these larger wheels exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are much harder to carry unseen. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts any bike lock in seconds, except for the SAF Lock. Our philosophy is to make the thief move on to an easier target.
The lock has to be made Portable or what's the use ????
So they will not cut the lock but rail, clever. BTW how do you prevent lock to be drilled out?
1st and maybe second disc rotates freely so all it would do is keep spinning and getting you nowhere.
does this fit in the rear triangle of the bike around the rear wheel?
Hi KiLLJoY,
Please send us an email ( info@altorlocks.com ) with a picture of where on your bike you'd like to lock up and we'll give you our best estimate based on the dimensions of the lock.
Where can i buy this in belgium
Hi lamalordddd,
For more information on international buying options, please email us at info@altorlocks.com or visit altorlocks.com.
Altor Locks thanks
Definitely a impressive lock!!
I feel people will just start cuttin the bike or whatever its attached to though :/ i wish people could just be decent humans n not steal lol
Hi Merica,
We are glad you like the SAF Lock,
A thief could cut the bike rack, but that would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock and would bring more attention to the area that they are operating in. Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. This is why they use angle grinders, they can cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock makes your bike the hardest bike to steal so that a bike thief is most likely going to steal the bike next to it with a less secure lock.
We wish people would be decent humans too.
Altor Locks oh no no im sorry its hard to express the way i was meaning that via text lol
Its a oddly long way ill admit of saying you guys make an insane bike lock!!
Cutting the bike would make it useless
TouchMyMoo maybe if you dont know how to do weld with either steel or aluminum then yes but a couple thousand dollar bike people may try idk lol
@Brian Kalfinos i highly doubt a rando street thief knows how to weld
Any way to put this on a motorcycle?
Fill those gaps with ink under pressure to mark any arse who tries to cut in
i need this lock
I need one of these on my keychain.
Ordering now*
What prevents them from just cutting the bike rack its attached to?
It would be probably easier
Hi Michael,
A thief could cut the bike rack, but that would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock and would bring more attention to the area that they are operating in. Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. This is why they use angle grinders, they can cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock makes your bike the hardest bike to steal so that a bike thief is most likely going to steal the bike next to it with a less secure lock.
What about battery powered sawzalls?
steel probably too hard for them, and would take longer
Wouldn't it be better to cut straight up the middle?
Woah... what is with the nauseating stabilization on this video. It's hurting my eyes! Whew..
Great lock though! Awesome idea and great execution!
Oh found your channel. At the price point you could make the lock much slimmer lock by understanding how a diamond dresser is made this tool is use to dress a grinding wheel imagine how much destruction will it cause to the grinder disk.
Music used please?
El candado sera muy bueno pero el corte lo harian sobre el tubo que es hueco y no sobre el candado asi qde todas formas se llevan la bicicleta con todo y candado
I think get a small hole saw and drill the key core out is easier then cutting
Why no alarm on it?
One could argue that at that price, it should have an alarm, an electrical shock feature, and a GPS for tracking. Or perhaps make it simply explode if ever defeated! (a variation on Skunk Lock)
Bike thief revenge fantasies...
@@dudeonbike800 Mustard gas, White Phosphorus, pressurized hydrochloric acid, cyanide gas, Organic Mercury, Chlorine Trifluoride, Shredded Gympie Gympie leaves.
OH YEAH!
Will this work with a folding bike?
It depends on the bike. Did you have a particular model of folding bike in mind?
@@altorlocks Thanks for replying. I'm not sure if this is the exact name of the bike that I got as a gift. An Evans Strong folding bike.. made by Foxter? Looks like this:
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@@rxorz The SAF lock should fit around the frame of this bike when it is not folded. It will depend on the bike rack and the positioning of the bike.
Doesn't matter i would think if the bike locking "station" you're using can be cut through more easily....
Add rubber in it.... Amazing smoke when using a grinder ;)
Нужно пилить трубу, к которой пристёгнут замок/ you have to saw an iron pipe that has a lock on it.
Give us reactive armor lock. Explosive defense systems is where it's at. That thing is thicc enough to hold explosives.
bring this stuff to europe!!
Il suffit de meuler le poteau sur lequel il est attaché non ? Personne y a pensé ?
проще пильнуть трубу к которой он пристегнут и забрать транспорт в месте с замком.))
Ну тупые! они же видят замок, значит надо пилить замок)))
Пилить трубу уже вандализм, посодют на бутылку
Hi Psix Psix,
Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. Cutting the bike rack, would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock. This is why they use angle grinders to cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock resists attack, making your bike the hardest bike to steal and an unlikely target next to bikes with less secure locks.
At a price of about 300 USD this lock was stolen from my bike!
I have one of their folding locks and I would like to warn you not to expect anything resembling customer service if you ever need extra keys. I ordered a set of replacement keys for my old lock with the "unique" key code. $30 later I have a set of key that are nothing like my old key and they share the same key code. Customer support summary: "It is your problem". So just a word of warning - I would suggest you look elsewhere... No matter how good your lock is it is not very useful without keys...
The SAF comes with 4 matching keys. If you manage to lose all of them, you deserve to suffer.
@@kABUSE1 Mine came with 2. Regardless. If you take my money to make me a replacement set and then do not send me what I ordered then I expect either a correct set or my money back! I have learned my lesson and will not be dealing with this company ever again. And hope to help others avoid the disappointment of dealing with them either.
have you tried not losing the keys to a $300 lock? that would be my go to solution. i dont expect any company to just send out keys to people, least of all one that is aiming for high security
@@jeremymcadam7400 I will try to explain it to you like I would to a 5 year old - when I pay a company 30 dollars to send me a new set of keys and tell them the UNIQUE code to make sure it is the keys i get are the right ones. Now it would appear that is too much to ask from the people running Altor. And, sadly, it appears it is too much for you to understand as well.
@@eugenek4916 what i understand is that you lost both keys (people are saying they come with 4 so i'm willing to bet you lost all of them at the same time) and got angry at the manufacturer. i'd bet $100 you're an american over the age of 35 going by your self righteousness
In the words of LPL
saf= strong as fuck
It's huge and probably heavy. Better to use hard alloys to slow down cutting with titanium core.
If only makita didn't make a 7 in angle grinder.
A 5 inch (125mm) grinder is the most common size of battery powered angle grinder and the easiest to carry. That is why we designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to this size. You can not put a bigger grinding wheel on most 5 inch grinders safely, even if you take the guard off because the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM than a typical 5 inch angle grinder. Yes, portable grinders bigger than 5 inches do exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are harder to carry. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts every bike lock except for the SAF Lock. A thief with an angle grinder is more likely to move on to an easier target than buy a bigger grinder just to cut one lock.
Take the fn guard off and cut from the inside out and it will open or even better a cordless bandsaw which is even quieter than a grinder
A bandsaw utilizes flexible steel blades that cannot cut the hardened shackle material underneath. U-locks have thwarted bandsaws, hacksaws, etc. for decades.
If it wasnt 1000$ canadian dollars on amazon I would get one in a heartbeat.
its easier to grind that pole where the lock is than the lock.
1. take off safety angle of a grinder 2. put bigger disc 3. cut the lock
make a 50kg lock and 4 mechanisms in it which would need technically 4 keys at once if one key would be out all of the mechanism wont work
what does F*** stand for?
Idk... SAFe?
FACK
Now, lets see the chain that fits this lock's shackle..LOL
now thieves doesnt cut the lock. they cut the beam that the lock is attached
That's a giant lock 🔐
Thiefs are so annoying than it's what we need in 2020 to protect our bike correctly for a long time in a large metropolitan area.
Now you need to improve this with something ligther but as solid as the SAF lock.
I would cut the pole rather than the lock.
The Dominican in my neighborhood will open it in 10 seconds.
The Lock Picking Loyer made a video about your lock!
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Prevents up to 5" blades... So they can just buy a bigger blade?
A 5 inch (125mm) grinder is the most common size of battery powered angle grinder and the easiest to carry. That is why we designed the SAF Lock to be resistant to this size. You can not put a bigger grinding wheel on most 5 inch grinders safely, even if you take the guard off because the bigger wheels are rated for a lower RPM than a typical 5 inch angle grinder. Yes, portable grinders bigger than 5 inches do exist, but they are not used by bike thieves because they are harder to carry. Currently, a 5 inch grinder cuts every bike lock except for the SAF Lock. A thief with an angle grinder is more likely to move on to an easier target than buy a bigger grinder just to cut one lock.
In New York they'll cut your bike just to be spiteful, then take your bike for parts.
Lol..just watched another video where this kid cut through this lock...with a 4.5 angle grinder!
Cut the bike, steal the lock
try grinding the bottem part.
When you steal the lock
The solution to this lock is no lock park it inside and you'll never have to lock the stupid bike again that's how you do it in 2019 and 2020
Cut the frame.
Bypass the lock entirely.
The frame can be plugged and repaired.
The bits and pieces are expensive enough to sell separately.
About 5 seconds.
Gone.
At this point they would just cut the bike rack lmao
Hi Nukebommer360,
A thief could cut the bike rack, but that would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock and would bring more attention to the area that they are operating in. Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. This is why they use angle grinders, they can cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock makes your bike the hardest bike to steal so that a bike thief is most likely going to steal the bike next to it with a less secure lock.
Altor Locks I am just saying that it’s so good that cutting the lock isn’t even an option lol :)
Better not to lose the keys ;)
at some point itd just be easier to cut the bike rack
RECIPROCATING SAW. Check mate.
Hi The Devil,
Bike thieves typically don’t use reciprocating saws or SAWZALLs because they produce a lot of vibration and require two hands to control, making them difficult to cut any bike lock, even one on a rack. SAWZALLs are best for cutting objects that are in a vise or restrained by some other means. Standard saw blades for metal dull very quickly when cutting steel that is hardened to 50HRC or harder. Carbide blades do exist for SAWZALLs, but they are still much slower than an angle grinder against hardened steel, so thieves do not use them. A thief could bring a clamp or something else to constrain the lock, but this is uncommon and would be a burden. An angle grinder can cut any bike lock faster than the SAF Lock, and it’s easier to carry than a SAWZALL.
@@altorlocks You missed the point entirely. This bike lock isn't for travel. It's for at home use hence the large size. Typical bike thieves don't steal a bike right off your property either. This lock can be forced with your foot to stay still to cut it with a sawzall. I have cut hardened steel with a sawzall. With the correct blade I could get through that lock in three minuets. The point is it can be cut off easily with the correct tool. But all that is irrelevant. The lock is going to be locked onto something way easier to cut anyway so it's pointless. Cut the bike rack. Done.
Lock costs 10x what I paid for my bike :D
You got a bike for like $30?
@@jackmanning1117 Yup. Was used, old and just a standard bike.
@@DONK8008 wow, nice find!
You guys should really put it to the test by documenting a real thief using an angle grinder with the help of a cctv camera. Do that then i might overlook this U-lock's ridiculous price tag Lol! But in all seriousness, you guys should for good of most bike owners.
Just cut a piece out of the bike frame and weld it back on when you get home, if you have an angle grinder you should have access to a welding machine
that destroysthe value of the bike
Hun if you grind the welds down and repaint it then it will look good as new
Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. If a thief chooses to cut the bike instead, they’ve lost their getaway vehicle and now have extra welding to do. They use angle grinders to cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. A thief can NOT cut the SAF Lock so easily. Our philosophy is to make the thief move on to an easier target. Why make extra work and risk getting caught carrying or pushing a cut bike when they can just find an easier bike to steal?
Altor Locks it’s just an idea for thieves that want to break the mould and challenge themselves.
Level 1: steal bike
level 5: Cut bike into pieces without getting caught
Only the dumbest shitheads would cut the bike. They would rather cut the bike rack or vandalize it. If a bike frame is made of aluminium, then welding is pretty much not an option for most people, as is much harder than welding steel. They also want to sell it as fast as possible with minimum effort and fixing it takes time. They would have to remove a large chunk of the frame to remove such massive lock, which might make bike unusable. Keep in mind thieves are LAF (pronounced Lazy as F), otherwise, they would find a normal job.
bro, if i want the bike that bad im just gonna cut the rack.
Its literally easier to cut the bike rack than the lock
Ok but what about the wheels of the bike? better get a chain lock
Will be easier to cut the thing the bike and lock is attached to...
Hi ZeeeBoss,
A thief could cut the bike rack, but that would take longer than cutting any bike lock that is not a SAF Lock and would bring more attention to the area that they are operating in. Thieves are looking for the easiest opportunity to steal a bike and not get caught. This is why they use angle grinders, they can cut a bike lock in seconds and be gone. The SAF Lock makes your bike the hardest bike to steal so that a bike thief is most likely going to steal the bike next to it with a less secure lock.
@@altorlocks true
This lock cost twice more my bike...
Im not sure showcasing how your lock mechanism works is a good idea
That design is over 100 years old, invented by Emil Hendriksson. The founder of Abloy. Although this lock has the second generation of Abloy core (The Profile) it still works on the same principal so it's nothing new. I wouldn't worry about it too much, the tools and knowledge required to pick this lock are scarce to say the least.
all you have have to do is throw a 6-inch disc on the angle grinder.
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