Sold my Oppo 203 after buying the Panasonic ub820. Much better HDR tone mapping and optimizer for a projector setup. Better upconversion of blurays to 4K and better bigger more dynamic soundstage. PANASONIC all day over Oppo and I was an Oppo fanboy from 83 to 203
I think its funny how the oppo owners cant believe that another UHD player could ever come out and outperform it. Its unreasonable. Technology replaces itself almost every 1.5 years. The rule of microchips is every 1.5 years the same sized microchip can perform 2x the original. So it stands to reason something that was designed years ago with older components will be superseded by new tech. I think the oppo is a great player, but it may be replaced in terms of performance in another year.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude I am like you. I just want the best performance from my theater. Whichever brand is giving the best price to performance ratio is usually going to find a place in my theater. For a long time that was Oppo but not anymore. Oppo fanboys are BLIND AND DEAF . Panasonic is the new king of UHD players. Sold my 203 for $1k, $450 more than I paid new. So I am glad for the Oppo fanboys LOL.
I don't understand the point of having all this insane and indecently expensive gear and then having a projector which produces a totally washed out picture, no contrast, crappy colors ? a 65" OLED tv is light years better.
Obviously, you have not seen a properly set up 4K projector with a 130"+ screen in a dark room. do yourself a favor before posting ignorant comments and inform yourself by actually having the experience. you will place your 65" OLED in the bedroom when you do.
Sheldon Spock i have a 1080p epson 6030 ub with dedicated 100 inch screen draggonfly with velvet 3.5inch board in a full black theater room, and i think it is better than 4k oled in term of image and color, color gradient and image smoothness.. important is there is no screen door effect, no reflection from a glass screen, no reflection on the side with the velvet. the size make it incredible picture very detailed. Also the front screen is very clean in a high end dedicated room with just the speaker and professional screen. Also the projector is full 3d thx certified ISF so the 3d is impressive especially on extra large screen. You add a top sound system dolby digital, dts as i have and it is better than the cinema cineplex. Yes there is more resolution in oled, but there is a better cinema like image on my projector that none of the oled tv can reproduce. They look not realistics, too plastics on oled tv, my projector is more cinema like, more realistics and more cinema. And the black are very good with a dynamic iris. Nothing beat it. I would never go to oled also because it is not the same as projection and there is burn in issues. You have to see one high end installation before to say otherwise.
TV"s are for commentaries and special features as far as I'm concerned, as well as series and docs. The colors even on an LED TV are brighter and nice to look at, but nothing beats watching it on a screen three times that size and the way the creators envisioned people watching it. You still get a crisp picture and accurate colors on a projector too by the way.
I enjoyed the difference in Thanos when he was lasso'd by Dr. Strange. The ropes were super sharp on the Pano. The rocks in the Saturn like planet from Avengers. So nice! Wonder if this thing can stream video well with codecs and such from a video player. Ill have to look that up before I jump in.
Thank you so much for making this. This was literally the exact thing that I was looking for. I liked and subscribed. On a side note- I’m also glad you brought up the difference between cables. I’m relatively new to home Theater stuff but I always thought that the more expensive cable options were just a scam.
I know this video is 4 years old…. But I just bought this Panasonic. I am VP of Sales and Marketing in the HDMI/Cable industry (23 years). I know the guy who designed your fiber HDMI. I have had dinner with him and his boss several times. I have never in my life heard anyone make the claim that fiber HDMI has a better picture than copper. The HDMI chipset has data correction, and can actually restore millions of errors per second. We have tested this many times. So even if one was better than the other, the chipset is designed to correct both signals so you get a pure digital signal. HDMI uses data packets and checksums to repair bad packets just like a data network.
Thanks, agreed. I also own the UB9000 (bought a 2nd one as backup now that BD players are eventually going to be hard to find). HDMI is digital (and has error correction) as you noted. It only carries DATA, unlike analog cables which transmit / carry the actual signal. With analog cables, different quality cable design and components definitely can make a big difference, unlike HDMI so long as it is rated for the right speed / HDMI standard for your video resolution (e.g. HDMI 2.1 4K @120Hz or 8K@60Hz). The only legitimate reason that some HDMI cables should cost more than others is in cases where 1) they support (and are ideally certified for) faster speeds (for 4K or 8K e.g.) and 2) when they support longer cable runs (lengths), or both. In short, as far as I am aware, so long as your specific HDMI cable is rated for the appropriate speed (to reliably support your video resolution) and supports your run (lengths over n feet can be more challenging) without dropouts / artifacts / issues with displaying your content at the selected resolution, then the actual PQ with that cable should be the same as any other HDMI cable regardless of price. Just buy a decent 48Gbps / HDMI 2.1 or 2.1b (ideally certified) HDMI cable and that should be all you need for 8K video and spending more is frankly a waste (no improvement in PQ). That said, unlike the old days (before 4K and 8K etc.,) where the very cheapest HDMI cables often worked fine, for higher resolutions, such as 8K, you will now need a 48Gbps-capable cable; however there are great deals on 8K / 48Gbps cables which have been flawless on my OLED TV with my UB9000 and they were on sale for a ridiculously good price.
Doesn't play SACD's, which is a deal buster for me. But has XLR outputs, nice. The Panasonic UBD-LX500 model plays SACD's but does not have XLR outputs. Go figure. Audiophiles want SACD's and XLR outputs which give the best sound!
I'm surprised Panasonic still doesn't support SACD. You would just assume audiophiles are not interested in high end combo players, but the crazy insane prices for used OPPO UDP-205's proves the opposite. I'd love to give Panasonic my $, but hard to do it given 4 year old used OPPO's are still better spec'ed for audio.
Great Review & differences! Still dosent WOW me to get rid of my Oppo 203, as long as Oppo service is around I believe they will stick to their word by continuing firmware updates if needed when other brands are still trying to make a better player then the 203 or even the 205...
Dude what the fuck? Why the fuck would you even THINK of replacing Oppo 203? Even though ub9000 is tiny bit better in motion clarity it's not meant to be replaced if you already have a beast blu ray. Ub9000 is meant for us people who just started building out our home theaters or for the people who are doing upgrades (like from 1080p bluray or maybe dvd). I wouldn't replace that Oppo 203 for at least 5 more years. It plays DV content wonderfully and at reference quality as well as HDR10. What more do you want? You will get better difference if you buy new TV then with current TV/projector and the ub9000. Think. :D
PS: don't get me started how fucked i am now because i don't know if any of these high end blu rays will handshake properly with my XF90 and get the dolby vision... Or i am tied to sony x700 (not that i'm bitching because that player even though is cheap AF it can still produce good enough quality image but not as much as these high end ones can).
sounds like you dont have first hand experience with one of these used in the test. Check them out yourself before going off the deep end. You never know. Maybe you may like something new
Very similar to the 800 but has full dolby vision capability. Some how its still cheaper than the 800? I dont get that. Sony pretty much gave up on the 800 when they started making the 700.
Great review!!! I’m still an OPPO fan!!! They were always ahead of the game!!! It’s just unfortunate that they decided to go a different route with the company!!! You have an excellent channel!!! ☮️🖖🏽
HDR optimizer is the main reason got the ub9000. The picture is amazing and its customization. The 820 is half price but it lacks the optimizer feature and a few others. I didnt want to believe the hype on the 9000, but after seeing it I am really amazed. Im going to buy one for sure when I get the new projector.
Great comparison. I bought an OPPO 203 in 2017. Last month, I bought a Samsung QN90C and a Q900C sound bar. I wanted to know if a 4K player was better than the OPPO. I watched the reviews on this Pansonic 9000 and the DP-UB820-K. Since they were both the same for 4K movies, I bought the UB820-K. I set this player up side by side and was surprised at how much better the DP-UB820-K looked and sounded. I went through my 4K and Bluray and DVD movies. I put the OPPO on eBay, which sold in less than 24 hours.
@@catsbyondrepair Stop being a blind fanboy. You sound like an Apple fanboy that says BEATS headphones are the best. 😂😂😂 P.s. Learn the difference between THEIR and THEY'RE.
Jason Sullivan the oppo udp-203 was $650 when it came out and the video processors in the 203 and 205 are the same so wouldn’t make a difference to have the 205 from the video side of it . Now if you were talking about audio then you would have a point as the 203 and 205 are quite different.
That Home Theater Dude correction the 203 has been $1500 used the 205 is upwards of $3k used , but yeah the prices have soared since they’ve closed shop.
@@Audiofreak71 personally I have only seen the prices that I mentioned. Either way dollar for current dollar comparison I like the panasonic for the money. I cant justify paying over 1000 for something thats used when i can get newer tech for cheaper. Thats just me. Im sure plenty of people have different logic though
That Home Theater Dude I agree with you there , I wouldn’t pay those ridiculous prices either even though they are excellent players , I own an oppo 105d as well as the 203 and paid retail from oppo , there’s no way of o didn’t have these already would I pay tHat much over retail regardless how great they are . But with that said I won’t part with my Oppo’s until they don’t work anymore , there that good to me .
There are some features that still keeps OPPO in the game. For example for HDR to SDR conversion, on OPPO you can actually choose the target luminance of the tone mapping. On Panasonic it will be done at 350 nits, for basic luminance projector, but that can still be too much for a lot of projectors. Furthermore the OPPO has an HDMI In which allows you to use it as a video processor for HDR for all your devices (you can tone mapp the streaming content), and also you get to use all it's other video processing options for those devices. Also OPPO has the option to choose as default resolution the ,,source output'' if you want to to the uspcalling on your display. Some dislays , for example Epson 4k projectos and other 4k shiters are doing better with upscalling done directly in the display rathar than sending an upscalled 4k signal to them. OPPO, with a third party software can also be used as a digital player for all your files. Panasonic can't really do that. You can play some of the digital files on Panasonic but you won't have lossless sound, you will have only lossy which is useless in a home cinema. The only thing that Panasonic does much better is HDR tonemapping for HDR displays and that is really a very important feature, but unfortunately it can be used only for UHD discs and nothing else. Also as I have already said, if you want HDR to SDR you will still get minimum 350 nit, which can also be too much.
This is basically a "rebadge" of the OPPO 205 with a few changes. But the drive-circuit board layout, and the remote are basically the same. Only one USB on back, no DVD AUDIO or SACD, a different menu, but as far as the most important features, the same.
im not so sure. If it were then they would have left in the premium stuff like the sacd. they could have just picked up the casing from the same company that oppo was using because they had them laying around after the fall of oppo. im almost certain the guts are all different. i could be wrong though
What camera? What settings? What color space? What frame rate?You can't make comparisons with frame blending and motion blur if your test equipment is not setup to do this.
I noticed that you’re utilizing both hdmi outputs. Is it better this way or can someone utilize just the audio/video hdmi out to a receiver then from the receiver to the tv? Advantages vs disadvantages of using both hdmi outputs. THx
Using Panasonic 820 with JVC 2000 from Zach. JVC rep Chris told me to use JVC frame adapt firmware for HDR. Set Pana to projector & not use HDR mapping
Hi, I'm undecided between PANASONIC DP-UB9000 and OPPO UDP-203. The main use is the reproduction of 4K movies in MKV or ISO, always in native resolution without compression. Which one do you recommend for this? I play with a Sony 4K XW-5000 laser projector. Thanks in advance for the answer.
Both damn good players only problem with oppo is that guys selling them think they are worth way more than they actually are. So they make the decision easy for me. Panasonic it is!
Can you explain how the 7.1 would hook up to an amplifier, i don't understand sorry there dose not seem to be enough red and white outputs to connect, what is the single red labelled R and single White R thanks
It’s no doubt the THX optimisations that can’t be altered that make it look better. Similar to putting a THX Blu-ray in a player over a regular Blu-ray, while the differences a subtle, I’m not sure many will change their oppos out. Personally, I would, just based on the fact that oppo are dead in the water. I wouldn’t purchase something that’s not going to last very long. This is an ideal alternative. I still need some videos of the pioneer UDP-LX800 from somewhere before I buy. It would be between the UB900 and the pioneer for me. But the price difference is HUGE. do you find and audio latency issues using two different hdmi cables for audio and video? My UD7007 can split audio and video. But there was always a delay until I used identical hdmi cables.
I guess i'm gonna use my PC then. It has the UB9000 sharpness but the blades at 5:26 look like the OPPO. What settings where used for the camera on both shots? Does the OPPO has some motion blur settings or something ?
I can check. They were both filmed in 4k 24fps all camera settings were the same, position was the same and white balance was locked. The only thing that changed was unplugging hdmi from oppo and plugging it into the panasonic. Disk was swapped over at the same time.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude so the right image the camera might be perfectly in sync, and the left camera can be out of sync, capturing half of the prev and next frame, resulting in a blurry image (and ghosting) when you view them in your edition software.
@@Quetzalcoatl0 Good point, but if that were the case then why would the result be exactly the same if both changed scenes. You think that if you are swapping scenes and ff or rrw that that would show a difference in syncing. Both were captured in the same manner. I get the skeptical nature. i dont like seeing somethings too. I just passed on what I saw to you guys. I tried to do as good of a job comparing the two with as few variables as possible. Its not perfect by a long shot. But this is what I have to show for it.
My Blu-ray player only supports one external HDD up to 4TB. Will a splitter cable (with multiple USB 3.0 ports) be enough to make the player's menu recognize two 4TB HDDs, even though the player will obviously only be able to read one of them?
Man, if this had SACD and DVD-Audio it'd be a one box solution. As it stands, a fantastic video disc player that needs a friend to enjoy some high res offerings.
Trying to figure how to program the TV control buttons on the 9000 remote to work with my Sony A9G. Maybe the Panasonic remote doesn’t work with a Sony Tv or is there a way to program the remote?
Hello, excellent review. It´s been great to see the diferences between the panasonic vs oppo. I would like to ask you the posibility of comparing the panasonic ub9000 vs Pioneer lx500 Thanke you very much
I’m confused about the 820 vs 1000 in regards to audio. If you are passing it via hdmi to your receiver you aren’t taking advantage of the 1000’s dac. My Anthem MRX720 doesnt have a subwoofer in for the 1000 out so i guess I should get the 820?
ok few question if you get 4k optic cable and run that straight to your tv and the other hdmi cable goes to your receiver would that make for a better picture quality and surround sound.? and second you recon the ub9000 will put out better sound like playing 4k movie disc than the ub820.?
The picture is better no doubt but that is were it ends I would not swap my Oppo 203 for it, but as you can’t get oppo now it’s the next best thing on the market at this time
For 1000$, this Pana should be knocking on the door of the Oppo 205, not the Oppo 203 really. But even as old as it is, the Oppo 203 is toe to toe with this new Panasonic. I did not concentrate everywhere. But at 4:44, look at the tombstone; the Oppo shows the dirt on it much more clearly than the Pana. At 4:39, look at the gun, the hand holding the gun; everything, is sharper on the Oppo image and its details are faded on the Panasonic image. You claim at that the Panasonic is the winner for sharpness but the opposite is true in many stills. Look at 5:03 the right half of the image: you will see the Oppo is much sharper whereas the Panasonic is dull. Look again at 5:06 ; pause and compare the details of the leaves and trees on the Oppo shot versus the Panasonic and tell me which has sharper cuts and details. This Panasonic can’t even best a middle-tier Oppo from years ago, so this Panasonic is overpriced, plain and simple. And I grew up a Panasonic fanboy.
Great review man, I'm looking for a replacement for my old oppo, I rip my UHDs as backup in 1:1 rips in UHD folder structure form, just curious if this can play ripped UHD folder structure?
No oppo killer , i have a 5 bay 12 terabyte each nas hard drive and the oppo plays all my rip mkv 4k ultra hd movies with atmos , the pansonic , does not play 4k mkv files, and my sony projector projector has anamorphic lense and oppo has that stretch feature were is you can take a letter box screen and make it full screen without losing any of the picture , the oppo will also play A BDMV 4k or bluray file i have on my hardrive so those are 3 cons, For a thousand by bucks why wouldn't they have these features.
Thanks I didn't even mention all my DVD audio and super CD files , that the OPPO plays that the Panasonic doesn't I not trading that in for a miner bust in picture quality.
There's zero colour difference between them. The only thing is the Panasonic is slightly sharper, but very slightly. Unless you stop at each frame and compare it, you wouldn't notice the difference.
This is a small video representation. I only did short clips to avoid copyright. Video compression from uploading can have ab effect too. In person the differences were very apparent. Either ways both are premium UHD players and both will be great. Do you need to throw your oppo in the trash? Nope. If you have to have the newest and greatest then panasonic is the way to go. If we like it or not the oppo updates will be becoming far fewer very soon. Pros and cons to both really
Then for you dolby vision and hdr10 is the same thing. Every improvement matters, when you add all the improvements from every source it may become significant. Dont expect too much differences on this things as its only a matter of processing
@@marianogigahertz9212 not true. hdr 10 is standard hdr. dolby vision goes up to 12 bit. They had to one up everyone else. Most dislays are still playing catch up to get to dolby vision standards. Its becoming more prominent on the 2019 models
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Not related at all with what I said. But dolby vision is a minor improvement compared to hdr10. You have to stop the frames to see the differences in really dark or light situations. If this guy says that the slighter sharper or small improvement is useless, then he will think the same of dolby vision Now, will dolby vision be noticiable in the future with 12bit panels? Who knows, but still, not related to what i said
I watched a really good video by techno dad. He compared the ub9000 and its younger brother (the 820) which is 500 less. They're was literally no difference in picture quality. Don't take my word for it go do your own homework
No sir. You can turn it on and off on still scenes on a tv and still see a difference. I would say on a tv you would notice more of a difference than a projector. I wish I had a good 4k tv to show off that feature, but mine is old tech and probably wouldnt show the difference as intended.
Ryan Holtkamp he’s just trying to promote the UB9000. It’s partly how he gets paid.LOL. I’m getting the UB820 for £350 and I will enjoy the hdr optimiser that this guy in the video claims it does not have😂😂😂
Do you know if The Panasonic can transport dolby atmos and DTS HD and even uncompressed surround throughout The optical of coaxial output? Some players can do that?
Awesome video. What are the advantages of connecting your fiber hdmi from your audio/video out to your receiver and projector over connecting one HDMI to your receiver?
Zero middle man. The least amount of connection changes optimizes the video. We dont know the results from going through the AVR. It says full 4k passthrough, but for the sake of the test I wanted as little variables as possible. Thats why I used one cable direct from source to display
Is it capable of Dolby Atoms and DTS:X because there is a very limited info available for Panasonic UB9000 and i checked the Value Electronics website and as much info available online but i couldnt find anything. I like it and i am thinking of buying it since OPPO 203 is not available at the regular price anymore. BTW Great video
I'll keep my Oppo really the side by side is more 50:50. Some look better on the Pana & some look better on the Oppo. But at $999 the Pana better be good at Everything. Plus, the lag time should not be a issue. Smh, the packaging on the Pana is a Joke compared to the Oppo. Oppo comes double boxed and in a nice bag at half the price.
Peppers. the panasonic came double boxed. I didnt show the first box. Used price on the oppo is more than the panasonic 9000 brand new this is regardless of its original price. Picture quality was noticeably better on the panasonic and I even had two oppo owners say that. I get that not all the diiferences will translate over the internet. The oppo is a great player, but there will be a time where another company will make something that surpasses it. Thanks for watching
I would want the Oppo and Panasonic side by side in a VE Shootout with a calibrator involved before making a determination. Looking carefully on a MacBook Pro with retina, i find the Oppo to be too bright in most scenes. Don't know if it's a setting or something else with the processing.
Wait WHAT how have I never heard of a fiber optic HDMI cable? What it the benefit over let's say 8K 60hz HDMI? If anyone can explain it would be greatly appreciated. I just ordered the UB9000 and now I'm really curious about this..
Great review! 4K player reviews are few and far between so I appreciate it. I’ll start with, I’m no audio/video expert. So I gave my left arm for a 8k Monoprice fiber hdmi for my Dennon AVR-X3700H and Sony A8H eARC pass through. When I opened the package I was like wtf because It was a directional cable? I tried it anyway, but it was not performing nearly as good as Zeskit Cinema Plus. I’m like, I guess it is only directional. So I connected it to my Apple TV4K to my Denon’s 2.1 8k input. I didn’t really see any difference in quality so I returned the cable. I just now realized Denon has been having problems with there 2.1 8k input so now I’m wondering if that it was the problem was? I don’t think so because I was only putting a 4K signal through it, but idk. Anyway just thought I’d mention that. Cool story bro. I liked the part in the middle the best.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Honestly, I wish that Oppo would pay attention to what's happening and realize that there is still a market and demand for their products and start producing their products again. But, until then everyone after them is chasing a high.
my Oppo 105, at the USB port, it won't display some of the chinese character of the song name. All I get is a square. I wonder if this Panasonic fixes it
REALLY upset that a superb player like this Panasonic doesn't have zoom control, like all the Oppos do. But those Oppo dopes omitted allowing you to move and center the zoomed image on the screen. My JVC XV-NA70BK DVD player from 2004 can do that with ease. Zoom controls allow more intimate control over content and really adds to the fun. The least Panasonic should do for a player at this price is to add this feature via a firmware, but they probably wouldn't do so even if they could.
I had to send my OPPO 203 in for service and I bought the Panasonic UB9000 as a back-up. I will run that OPPO until it fails and can no longer be serviced. The Panasonic is wonderful player but they definitely did not apply any logic to their on screen menus.
I owned both Panasonic players and returned the 9000 It didn’t make sense for me to use the xlRs I use both Hdmi outputs one for video one for hi def audio
i didnt check per say. From my understanding the audio out goes to your AVR and has the same capabilities as normal. I didnt get to keep the 9000 for a long time so I didnt get to try everything I wanted
At 4:52 "...it seems like Panasonic is the winner for overall sharpness..." - excuse me but where do you see that. Although those pictures are not exactly the same, but I can't see any winner and the difference is very slight. I can see that tiny difference just I can't decide which one is better, maybe 4k is not enough to show the differences. And those stills are not synced, look at the orange spots on the screen, they are in different position. Same syncing problem again at 5:40 actually you show different frames the Panasonic is ahead one frame the Oppo is late, and you compare different frames. Look at the little finger of that sitting guy, its in different position. You could have chosen a similar situation but with a winning Oppo, if the frames could be different. I have no Oppo neither Panasonic (I have Sony) so I'm totally unbiased, but you are not, obviously if you compare such frames. Only a blind can't take notice of the moving arm on that Oppo's frame. I think maybe the 5:12 helicopter scene should have ringed the bell, you watch differently synced videos, differently synced to your camera I mean. Something is fishy for sure.
excuse you? why you talk like this. I said it because of what I say and explained throughout the video. thats why i said it was better on sharpness. Neither of these are bad units. Its just a comparison. Also, im guessing by the tone you own an oppo
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude No Dude I don't own Oppo, I own Sony UBP-X800M2 . I've never seen the above devices in real life. I have no idea which one is better or worse. I just criticized your comparison method, but still Panasonic could be better (or worse) than Oppo, at least by me, I don't care. You really can't see that you compared different frames at 5:40 ? Oppo's frame is blurred because of motion, of course Pana's frame is significantly sharper. You captured in different moment. You forgot to answer my statement, but you don't like my tone instead :)))
I get you. they are solid players. The best benefit is to have the 9000 with a brand new tv w dolby vision or hdr10+. In my case it doesnt really make sense to upgrade with the current projector..... But i really want one now
Oppo also has an HD optimizer and I did not see you mention that. It is also twice the price of the Oppo 203 at the time of it's release. I think that I will stick with my Oppo
Hi guys! There is no general blu ray customer service, so I figured maybe you could help me. I kinda know my way around tech stuff, incl. blu ray systems etc. I purchased recently a sony ubp-x 700 UHD player, and hooked it up to an avr (that supports 4K pass-through) and than to a 4K projector. Everything is HDCCP 2.2 bla bla. Now. When I enter the uhd player' s menu, the projector receives a 3840x2160 p signal. But, when I play 4K blu ray discs (real 4K discs either with native 4k or 4K master) the resolution is only 1080p. There is no such thing in settings, as disc output resolution whatsoever. Please help me!
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Also, I have connected a pc via Hdmi to the avr (avr is running the same long hdmi to the projector) and there has been a perfect 4K connection...
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Thank you my man! It turned out, that the avr does not support 4K pass-through, even though it is advertised that way. (H/K AVR 171s)
Where KIller Fich HDR Optimiser "on" Panasonic !?It was necessary to turn on and demonstrate the HDR Optimizer function, which changes the light, tones, colors, method methodically, due to the HCX processor, for the better realistic side.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude It was necessary to turn on and demonstrate the HDR Optimizer function, which changes the light, tones, colors, method methodically, due to the HCX processor, for the better realistic side.
Video performance is some of the best out there. If you think your player just plays whats on the disk you may be missing out if you dont check it out on a premium UHD player. Im not saying buying a premium UHD is necessary, It is a luxury for sure. The extra cost is worth it I think If you are getting an upgrade in picture quality. I dont doubt your setup is primo and looks great. I just got to experience this panasonic in my house for a few days. It was a huge jump from my sony UHD
4.4.4 is still a compressed color grading format, if only it were possible to run the full RGB spectrum!!! Ycbcr can send 4:4:4. Ycbcr is a a signal format different from RGB and meant to be more efficient. Ycbcr has Luma (brightness) information separate from chroma (color) which allows the subsampling of the latter (4:2:2 and 4:2:0) for more bandwidth but when you use 4:4:4 its virtually identical with RGB. Conversions between the two may cause some slight color inaccuracies but the measured differences are so small that they are almost in the margin of error domain. Definetly not invisible to the human eye
Yes Sir. Thats usually the case, but the epson 5040 that was used in this video isnt capable of 4.4.4. in 4k/60 or even 24 . If you set the setting to 4k/60 the projector plays in SDR. The epson only does HDR in 4k/24fps in 4.2.0. Thats why i went with the lower setting.
I wanted to remove any chance of interferance of a true a/b comparison. We plan on redoing the video routing it through the AVRs for pass through. Im guessing there will be a difference, but thats the skeptic in me.
Sold my Oppo 203 after buying the Panasonic ub820. Much better HDR tone mapping and optimizer for a projector setup. Better upconversion of blurays to 4K and better bigger more dynamic soundstage. PANASONIC all day over Oppo and I was an Oppo fanboy from 83 to 203
I think its funny how the oppo owners cant believe that another UHD player could ever come out and outperform it. Its unreasonable. Technology replaces itself almost every 1.5 years. The rule of microchips is every 1.5 years the same sized microchip can perform 2x the original. So it stands to reason something that was designed years ago with older components will be superseded by new tech. I think the oppo is a great player, but it may be replaced in terms of performance in another year.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude I am like you. I just want the best performance from my theater. Whichever brand is giving the best price to performance ratio is usually going to find a place in my theater. For a long time that was Oppo but not anymore. Oppo fanboys are BLIND AND DEAF . Panasonic is the new king of UHD players. Sold my 203 for $1k, $450 more than I paid new. So I am glad for the Oppo fanboys LOL.
Oppo will play any file you can throw at it, Panasonic not.
@@Stingers64 The only issue is though you will be playing that file with a slightly worse picture quality
I don't understand the point of having all this insane and indecently expensive gear and then having a projector which produces a totally washed out picture, no contrast, crappy colors ? a 65" OLED tv is light years better.
Obviously, you have not seen a properly set up 4K projector with a 130"+ screen in a dark room. do yourself a favor before posting ignorant comments and inform yourself by actually having the experience. you will place your 65" OLED in the bedroom when you do.
Sheldon Spock i have a 1080p epson 6030 ub with dedicated 100 inch screen draggonfly with velvet 3.5inch board in a full black theater room, and i think it is better than 4k oled in term of image and color, color gradient and image smoothness.. important is there is no screen door effect, no reflection from a glass screen, no reflection on the side with the velvet. the size make it incredible picture very detailed. Also the front screen is very clean in a high end dedicated room with just the speaker and professional screen. Also the projector is full 3d thx certified ISF so the 3d is impressive especially on extra large screen. You add a top sound system dolby digital, dts as i have and it is better than the cinema cineplex. Yes there is more resolution in oled, but there is a better cinema like image on my projector that none of the oled tv can reproduce. They look not realistics, too plastics on oled tv, my projector is more cinema like, more realistics and more cinema. And the black are very good with a dynamic iris. Nothing beat it. I would never go to oled also because it is not the same as projection and there is burn in issues. You have to see one high end installation before to say otherwise.
do you have any idea how a 100''+ oled tv cost lol
TV"s are for commentaries and special features as far as I'm concerned, as well as series and docs. The colors even on an LED TV are brighter and nice to look at, but nothing beats watching it on a screen three times that size and the way the creators envisioned people watching it. You still get a crisp picture and accurate colors on a projector too by the way.
A 65 OLED is tiny and PATHETIC...grownups have real home theatre setups, not just something that resembles a computer screen! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
I enjoyed the difference in Thanos when he was lasso'd by Dr. Strange. The ropes were super sharp on the Pano. The rocks in the Saturn like planet from Avengers. So nice! Wonder if this thing can stream video well with codecs and such from a video player. Ill have to look that up before I jump in.
Thank you so much for making this. This was literally the exact thing that I was looking for. I liked and subscribed.
On a side note- I’m also glad you brought up the difference between cables. I’m relatively new to home Theater stuff but I always thought that the more expensive cable options were just a scam.
I know this video is 4 years old…. But I just bought this Panasonic. I am VP of Sales and Marketing in the HDMI/Cable industry (23 years). I know the guy who designed your fiber HDMI. I have had dinner with him and his boss several times. I have never in my life heard anyone make the claim that fiber HDMI has a better picture than copper. The HDMI chipset has data correction, and can actually restore millions of errors per second. We have tested this many times. So even if one was better than the other, the chipset is designed to correct both signals so you get a pure digital signal. HDMI uses data packets and checksums to repair bad packets just like a data network.
Thanks, agreed. I also own the UB9000 (bought a 2nd one as backup now that BD players are eventually going to be hard to find).
HDMI is digital (and has error correction) as you noted. It only carries DATA, unlike analog cables which transmit / carry the actual signal. With analog cables, different quality cable design and components definitely can make a big difference, unlike HDMI so long as it is rated for the right speed / HDMI standard for your video resolution (e.g. HDMI 2.1 4K @120Hz or 8K@60Hz).
The only legitimate reason that some HDMI cables should cost more than others is in cases where 1) they support (and are ideally certified for) faster speeds (for 4K or 8K e.g.) and 2) when they support longer cable runs (lengths), or both.
In short, as far as I am aware, so long as your specific HDMI cable is rated for the appropriate speed (to reliably support your video resolution) and supports your run (lengths over n feet can be more challenging) without dropouts / artifacts / issues with displaying your content at the selected resolution, then the actual PQ with that cable should be the same as any other HDMI cable regardless of price.
Just buy a decent 48Gbps / HDMI 2.1 or 2.1b (ideally certified) HDMI cable and that should be all you need for 8K video and spending more is frankly a waste (no improvement in PQ).
That said, unlike the old days (before 4K and 8K etc.,) where the very cheapest HDMI cables often worked fine, for higher resolutions, such as 8K, you will now need a 48Gbps-capable cable; however there are great deals on 8K / 48Gbps cables which have been flawless on my OLED TV with my UB9000 and they were on sale for a ridiculously good price.
cool man. Have you tried both yourself?
Doesn't play SACD's, which is a deal buster for me. But has XLR outputs, nice. The Panasonic UBD-LX500 model plays SACD's but does not have XLR outputs. Go figure. Audiophiles want SACD's and XLR outputs which give the best sound!
Thanks. I'm looking for a player and have SACD's.
@@SBBUK I ended up getting the Oppo.
I'm surprised Panasonic still doesn't support SACD. You would just assume audiophiles are not interested in high end combo players, but the crazy insane prices for used OPPO UDP-205's proves the opposite. I'd love to give Panasonic my $, but hard to do it given 4 year old used OPPO's are still better spec'ed for audio.
An actual audiophile would have a dedicated sacd player.
Great Review & differences!
Still dosent WOW me to get rid of my Oppo 203, as long as Oppo service is around I believe they will stick to their word by continuing firmware updates if needed when other brands are still trying to make a better player then the 203 or even the 205...
Dude what the fuck? Why the fuck would you even THINK of replacing Oppo 203? Even though ub9000 is tiny bit better in motion clarity it's not meant to be replaced if you already have a beast blu ray.
Ub9000 is meant for us people who just started building out our home theaters or for the people who are doing upgrades (like from 1080p bluray or maybe dvd). I wouldn't replace that Oppo 203 for at least 5 more years. It plays DV content wonderfully and at reference quality as well as HDR10. What more do you want? You will get better difference if you buy new TV then with current TV/projector and the ub9000.
Think. :D
PS: don't get me started how fucked i am now because i don't know if any of these high end blu rays will handshake properly with my XF90 and get the dolby vision... Or i am tied to sony x700 (not that i'm bitching because that player even though is cheap AF it can still produce good enough quality image but not as much as these high end ones can).
sounds like you dont have first hand experience with one of these used in the test. Check them out yourself before going off the deep end. You never know. Maybe you may like something new
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Did you ever look at sony X700 blu ray player?
Very similar to the 800 but has full dolby vision capability. Some how its still cheaper than the 800? I dont get that. Sony pretty much gave up on the 800 when they started making the 700.
Great review!!! I’m still an OPPO fan!!! They were always ahead of the game!!! It’s just unfortunate that they decided to go a different route with the company!!! You have an excellent channel!!! ☮️🖖🏽
Thanks buddy! I think they thought there is more money in cellphones.
bold strategy cotton, lets see if it works out for them
Thank you for actually showing us the differences. I appreciate that more than just about anything else that I can think of.
The Upscaling is so good , I bought another one for my bedroom! Outstanding player! 12:03 😊
I’m more than happy with my UB820.The picture and audio quality is a definite step above my Sony Ubpx800. The HDR implementation is just superb.
HDR optimizer is the main reason got the ub9000. The picture is amazing and its customization. The 820 is half price but it lacks the optimizer feature and a few others. I didnt want to believe the hype on the 9000, but after seeing it I am really amazed. Im going to buy one for sure when I get the new projector.
That Home Theater Dude the 820 also has the HDR optimizer, and it is great.
@@Lou14th whaaaaaaaaaaa. Dang. after all my research i missed that? Well hell yeah. save the cash then.
That Home Theater Dude For sure man, I couldn’t justify spending 500 more for the 9000. Plus Best Buy had it in stock!
Well, there you have it.
Great comparison. I bought an OPPO 203 in 2017. Last month, I bought a Samsung QN90C and a Q900C sound bar. I wanted to know if a 4K player was better than the OPPO. I watched the reviews on this Pansonic 9000 and the DP-UB820-K.
Since they were both the same for 4K movies, I bought the UB820-K. I set this player up side by side and was surprised at how much better the DP-UB820-K looked and sounded. I went through my 4K and Bluray and DVD movies. I put the OPPO on eBay, which sold in less than 24 hours.
If you want the exact same picture quality and you don’t plan on dropping your player off the roof, then go with the 820 and save yourself $500.
I think the 9000s premium appearance has its seat at the table in certain circles. 1000 US is no cheap price by anymeans either.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude 1000 for a Blu-ray player is the dumbass realm. I wouldn't pay that for a Sony even though their the best.
@@catsbyondrepair Except Sony ISN'T the best. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Sony is the best and will always be the best.
@@catsbyondrepair Stop being a blind fanboy. You sound like an Apple fanboy that says BEATS headphones are the best. 😂😂😂
P.s. Learn the difference between THEIR and THEY'RE.
Is there a big visual and sound difference between the UB820 vs UB9000?
I would like to see a comparison of the Panasonic and the Pioneer Elite UDP-LX500
James Garrison YESS. Those are the two I can’t decide on. If anyone can weigh in on that, I would greatly appreciate it.
That comparison indeed would be great
Pioneers are shit, no streaming aps...
Shouldn’t you be comparing it to the oppo 205? When the 203 was in production it cost 550$. The 9000 cost 999$.
Jason Sullivan the oppo udp-203 was $650 when it came out and the video processors in the 203 and 205 are the same so wouldn’t make a difference to have the 205 from the video side of it . Now if you were talking about audio then you would have a point as the 203 and 205 are quite different.
203s are going for 900-1200 now on the used market. Supply dropped off and prices soared. I have seen the 205 go for 1500 used.
That Home Theater Dude correction the 203 has been $1500 used the 205 is upwards of $3k used , but yeah the prices have soared since they’ve closed shop.
@@Audiofreak71 personally I have only seen the prices that I mentioned. Either way dollar for current dollar comparison I like the panasonic for the money. I cant justify paying over 1000 for something thats used when i can get newer tech for cheaper. Thats just me. Im sure plenty of people have different logic though
That Home Theater Dude I agree with you there , I wouldn’t pay those ridiculous prices either even though they are excellent players , I own an oppo 105d as well as the 203 and paid retail from oppo , there’s no way of o didn’t have these already would I pay tHat much over retail regardless how great they are . But with that said I won’t part with my Oppo’s until they don’t work anymore , there that good to me .
The UB9000 is defiantly the best player I've ever owned, amazing!
It was a huge upgrade from what Im used to. Sad I couldnt keep it. Gotta pony up and buy one if I want one
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Haha, yeah...It's not the cheapest player around, it's up there thats 4 sure :)
The 9000 player is the best one I ever owned it's amazing good picture quality and sound keep the good work up you're doing an excellent job❤❤
Can this play 3D Blu Ray discs on Passive 3D TV's?
There are some features that still keeps OPPO in the game. For example for HDR to SDR conversion, on OPPO you can actually choose the target luminance of the tone mapping. On Panasonic it will be done at 350 nits, for basic luminance projector, but that can still be too much for a lot of projectors. Furthermore the OPPO has an HDMI In which allows you to use it as a video processor for HDR for all your devices (you can tone mapp the streaming content), and also you get to use all it's other video processing options for those devices. Also OPPO has the option to choose as default resolution the ,,source output'' if you want to to the uspcalling on your display. Some dislays , for example Epson 4k projectos and other 4k shiters are doing better with upscalling done directly in the display rathar than sending an upscalled 4k signal to them.
OPPO, with a third party software can also be used as a digital player for all your files. Panasonic can't really do that. You can play some of the digital files on Panasonic but you won't have lossless sound, you will have only lossy which is useless in a home cinema.
The only thing that Panasonic does much better is HDR tonemapping for HDR displays and that is really a very important feature, but unfortunately it can be used only for UHD discs and nothing else. Also as I have already said, if you want HDR to SDR you will still get minimum 350 nit, which can also be too much.
So with a 2009 plasma tv Hd ready, will have a problem if i buy the panasonic?I don't know how many knits is my screen.
This is basically a "rebadge" of the OPPO 205 with a few changes. But the drive-circuit board layout, and the remote are basically the same. Only one USB on back, no DVD AUDIO or SACD, a different menu, but as far as the most important features, the same.
im not so sure. If it were then they would have left in the premium stuff like the sacd. they could have just picked up the casing from the same company that oppo was using because they had them laying around after the fall of oppo. im almost certain the guts are all different. i could be wrong though
I think the Panasonic looks better more often.
What camera? What settings? What color space? What frame rate?You can't make comparisons with frame blending and motion blur if your test equipment is not setup to do this.
I noticed that you’re utilizing both hdmi outputs. Is it better this way or can someone utilize just the audio/video hdmi out to a receiver then from the receiver to the tv? Advantages vs disadvantages of using both hdmi outputs. THx
Does the buttons on the unit have a backlit feature? Also wish you'd cover the audio CD playback considering its a combo player.
Using Panasonic 820 with JVC 2000 from Zach. JVC rep Chris told me to use JVC frame adapt firmware for HDR. Set Pana to projector & not use HDR mapping
Hi, I'm undecided between PANASONIC DP-UB9000 and OPPO UDP-203. The main use is the reproduction of 4K movies in MKV or ISO, always in native resolution without compression. Which one do you recommend for this? I play with a Sony 4K XW-5000 laser projector.
Thanks in advance for the answer.
Both damn good players only problem with oppo is that guys selling them think they are worth way more than they actually are. So they make the decision easy for me. Panasonic it is!
So, should I get one of those Fiber HDMI cables for the new ASC/HDMI connectors??
send me a link to what you are talking about
Just got the 2021 Model. love it so far
Can you explain how the 7.1 would hook up to an amplifier, i don't understand sorry there dose not seem to be enough red and white outputs to connect, what is the single red labelled R and single White R thanks
Does anybody have the mod that turns this into an SACD and DVD-Audio player?
It’s no doubt the THX optimisations that can’t be altered that make it look better. Similar to putting a THX Blu-ray in a player over a regular Blu-ray, while the differences a subtle, I’m not sure many will change their oppos out. Personally, I would, just based on the fact that oppo are dead in the water. I wouldn’t purchase something that’s not going to last very long. This is an ideal alternative. I still need some videos of the pioneer UDP-LX800 from somewhere before I buy. It would be between the UB900 and the pioneer for me. But the price difference is HUGE. do you find and audio latency issues using two different hdmi cables for audio and video? My UD7007 can split audio and video. But there was always a delay until I used identical hdmi cables.
Picture looks incredible. Is there an optimized setting for plasma? lol
yes
I guess i'm gonna use my PC then. It has the UB9000 sharpness but the blades at 5:26 look like the OPPO.
What settings where used for the camera on both shots?
Does the OPPO has some motion blur settings or something ?
I can check. They were both filmed in 4k 24fps all camera settings were the same, position was the same and white balance was locked. The only thing that changed was unplugging hdmi from oppo and plugging it into the panasonic. Disk was swapped over at the same time.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude so the right image the camera might be perfectly in sync, and the left camera can be out of sync, capturing half of the prev and next frame, resulting in a blurry image (and ghosting) when you view them in your edition software.
@@Quetzalcoatl0 Good point, but if that were the case then why would the result be exactly the same if both changed scenes. You think that if you are swapping scenes and ff or rrw that that would show a difference in syncing. Both were captured in the same manner. I get the skeptical nature. i dont like seeing somethings too. I just passed on what I saw to you guys. I tried to do as good of a job comparing the two with as few variables as possible. Its not perfect by a long shot. But this is what I have to show for it.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude I mention it, because i had similar issues when filming a display, shutter speed is also really important.
Yeah I thought about that too. We used the epson 5040 projector to film the video and not a tv. Tried to make it as fair as possible.
My Blu-ray player only supports one external HDD up to 4TB. Will a splitter cable (with multiple USB 3.0 ports) be enough to make the player's menu recognize two 4TB HDDs, even though the player will obviously only be able to read one of them?
Man, if this had SACD and DVD-Audio it'd be a one box solution. As it stands, a fantastic video disc player that needs a friend to enjoy some high res offerings.
how many sacd you listen to regulary?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude I have a collection of around 30, plus DVD-Audio discs. At least once every few weeks on days off.
Panasonic is smashing the Oppo in this video, that clarity is much better.
Im glad! Some people feel attacked that I made this video. I have no dog in the fight because i dont own either player
Trying to figure how to program the TV control buttons on the 9000 remote to work with my Sony A9G. Maybe the Panasonic remote doesn’t work with a Sony Tv or is there a way to program the remote?
Hello, excellent review. It´s been great to see the diferences between the panasonic vs oppo.
I would like to ask you the posibility of comparing the panasonic ub9000 vs Pioneer lx500
Thanke you very much
Good idea. Im buying a panasonic soon and maybe i can get the pioneer sent to me to review
I’m confused about the 820 vs 1000 in regards to audio. If you are passing it via hdmi to your receiver you aren’t taking advantage of the 1000’s dac. My Anthem MRX720 doesnt have a subwoofer in for the 1000 out so i guess I should get the 820?
Hello guys, can this Blueray player be used without an amplifier?
I see that it has 7.1 speaker output
ok few question if you get 4k optic cable and run that straight to your tv and the other hdmi cable goes to your receiver would that make for a better picture quality and surround sound.? and second you recon the ub9000 will put out better sound like playing 4k movie disc than the ub820.?
The picture is better no doubt but that is were it ends I would not swap my Oppo 203 for it, but as you can’t get oppo now it’s the next best thing on the market at this time
Well put Roman!
Does it play HDR movies via USB?
Sound + image
Most modern smart TVs can already do this if you plug an external HDD into the USB port on the back.
@@Tim._.. Really?
Check if it plays DTS or DTS-HD or DTS -X
And you will find that there are almost no TVs that do this
Do you use a 2.1 hdmi cord for the audio ? I have the LG CX 65" with the LG SN11RG 7.1.4 sound bar.
For 1000$, this Pana should be knocking on the door of the Oppo 205, not the Oppo 203 really. But even as old as it is, the Oppo 203 is toe to toe with this new Panasonic.
I did not concentrate everywhere. But at 4:44, look at the tombstone; the Oppo shows the dirt on it much more clearly than the Pana.
At 4:39, look at the gun, the hand holding the gun; everything, is sharper on the Oppo image and its details are faded on the Panasonic image.
You claim at that the Panasonic is the winner for sharpness but the opposite is true in many stills.
Look at 5:03 the right half of the image: you will see the Oppo is much sharper whereas the Panasonic is dull.
Look again at 5:06 ; pause and compare the details of the leaves and trees on the Oppo shot versus the Panasonic and tell me which has sharper cuts and details.
This Panasonic can’t even best a middle-tier Oppo from years ago, so this Panasonic is overpriced, plain and simple. And I grew up a Panasonic fanboy.
Im not sure I get your 2 HDMI Cables connection ? Cant you just do one cable from 4k player to HDMI in receiver then out of receiver to tv?
Hi, yes you can as that's how I've got my 820 set up! 👍
Great review man, I'm looking for a replacement for my old oppo, I rip my UHDs as backup in 1:1 rips in UHD folder structure form, just curious if this can play ripped UHD folder structure?
Im not sure.
Oppo CAN.
Panasonic CAN'T.
Hello, where can you buy the Panasonic?
No oppo killer , i have a 5 bay 12 terabyte each nas hard drive and the oppo plays all my rip mkv 4k ultra hd movies with atmos , the pansonic , does not play 4k mkv files, and my sony projector projector has anamorphic lense and oppo has that stretch feature were is you can take a letter box screen and make it full screen without losing any of the picture , the oppo will also play A BDMV 4k or bluray file i have on my hardrive so those are 3 cons, For a thousand by bucks why wouldn't they have these features.
You are so spot on
Thanks I didn't even mention all my DVD audio and super CD files , that the OPPO plays that the Panasonic doesn't I not trading that in for a miner bust in picture quality.
Michael Foster Is it 203 or 205? Does your oppo play UHD Blu-Ray BDMV from its folder structure?
Hi yes my Oppo 203 can play 4K Atmos from my hard drive
I hope this is was you wanted to know
There's zero colour difference between them. The only thing is the Panasonic is slightly sharper, but very slightly. Unless you stop at each frame and compare it, you wouldn't notice the difference.
This is a small video representation. I only did short clips to avoid copyright. Video compression from uploading can have ab effect too. In person the differences were very apparent. Either ways both are premium UHD players and both will be great. Do you need to throw your oppo in the trash? Nope. If you have to have the newest and greatest then panasonic is the way to go. If we like it or not the oppo updates will be becoming far fewer very soon. Pros and cons to both really
Then for you dolby vision and hdr10 is the same thing. Every improvement matters, when you add all the improvements from every source it may become significant. Dont expect too much differences on this things as its only a matter of processing
@@marianogigahertz9212 not true. hdr 10 is standard hdr. dolby vision goes up to 12 bit. They had to one up everyone else. Most dislays are still playing catch up to get to dolby vision standards. Its becoming more prominent on the 2019 models
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Not related at all with what I said. But dolby vision is a minor improvement compared to hdr10. You have to stop the frames to see the differences in really dark or light situations.
If this guy says that the slighter sharper or small improvement is useless, then he will think the same of dolby vision
Now, will dolby vision be noticiable in the future with 12bit panels? Who knows, but still, not related to what i said
I watched a really good video by techno dad. He compared the ub9000 and its younger brother (the 820) which is 500 less. They're was literally no difference in picture quality. Don't take my word for it go do your own homework
I disagree. The HDR optimizer isnt on the 820.
That Home Theater Dude isn’t the hdr optimizers really only beneficial for projectors?
No sir. You can turn it on and off on still scenes on a tv and still see a difference. I would say on a tv you would notice more of a difference than a projector. I wish I had a good 4k tv to show off that feature, but mine is old tech and probably wouldnt show the difference as intended.
HDR optimizer is on the 820, i own one myself and use it all the time.@@ThatHomeTheaterDude
Ryan Holtkamp he’s just trying to promote the UB9000. It’s partly how he gets paid.LOL. I’m getting the UB820 for £350 and I will enjoy the hdr optimiser that this guy in the video claims it does not have😂😂😂
Do you know if The Panasonic can transport dolby atmos and DTS HD and even uncompressed surround throughout The optical of coaxial output? Some players can do that?
I dont know of anyone who does that currently.
I'm starting to think my monitor is shit. The only time I saw a difference was on wade's decapitated head and 8:15 😢
So i use HDMI Audio/Video to Receiver and HDMI eArc from the receiver to the projector. is this wrong? :o
Thanks great video can't wait to get one
Dude.............. you have some serious BASS in your setup :)
where?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude I meant the SVS sub. You just had to get the meanest version they have :)
I hope your neighbors are no issues hehehe
hi there is it possible to use 4k/60p(4:4:4) output on a projector that supports it thanks...
Earned a sub.+like! Love it! Please review the Sony ubp x700 Sony 4k player was it. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you!
One thing the UB9000 doesn’t do better is support many video file formats. This is where Oppo shines!!!
Great video!!!
To some people that doesnt matter. But yes you are right
Most people don't play nor use those video files anyway, so that wouldn't be a deciding factor in getting the Panasonic.
Just out of curiosity how come u don’t run your hdmi cable right to your receiver, and then to the projector? Thanks
i could, but for the test i used a direct feed to the pj
His audio setup must sound amazing!
Hi,I'm in Ghana and I have Panasonic UB9000 but unfortunately, my remote control is missing, how and where can I get one,please?
from panasonic
Awesome video. What are the advantages of connecting your fiber hdmi from your audio/video out to your receiver and projector over connecting one HDMI to your receiver?
Zero middle man. The least amount of connection changes optimizes the video. We dont know the results from going through the AVR. It says full 4k passthrough, but for the sake of the test I wanted as little variables as possible. Thats why I used one cable direct from source to display
do either play downloaded content at 24p? It seems there is no device that does this properly...
stop pirating movies then. problem solved
Is it capable of Dolby Atoms and DTS:X because there is a very limited info available for Panasonic UB9000 and i checked the Value Electronics website and as much info available online but i couldnt find anything. I like it and i am thinking of buying it since OPPO 203 is not available at the regular price anymore. BTW Great video
yes sir. Both formats are supported. This plays whats on rhe disk so it really depends on your AVR to play the native file from what I understand
Great video love the comparison videos from the oppo
does panasonic have a NO REGION for bluray/dvd. and can it play SACD.
nope
I'll keep my Oppo really the side by side is more 50:50. Some look better on the Pana & some look better on the Oppo. But at $999 the Pana better be good at Everything. Plus, the lag time should not be a issue. Smh, the packaging on the Pana is a Joke compared to the Oppo. Oppo comes double boxed and in a nice bag at half the price.
Peppers. the panasonic came double boxed. I didnt show the first box. Used price on the oppo is more than the panasonic 9000 brand new this is regardless of its original price. Picture quality was noticeably better on the panasonic and I even had two oppo owners say that. I get that not all the diiferences will translate over the internet. The oppo is a great player, but there will be a time where another company will make something that surpasses it. Thanks for watching
I would want the Oppo and Panasonic side by side in a VE Shootout with a calibrator involved before making a determination. Looking carefully on a MacBook Pro with retina, i find the Oppo to be too bright in most scenes. Don't know if it's a setting or something else with the processing.
A Calibrated Oppo wins. Dude is making coin on this. I call BS.
Why didn’t you just run the fiber hdmi through the monitor out on the receiver receiver?
i wanted a straight shot. 4k pass through does not mean lossless
Why chose the oppo 203 ($500) to be compared to the Panasonic ($999) instead of the oppo 205 ($1200)? Can I compare a Camaro with a 911?
Do the panasonic players play media files like MKV and BDMV also ?
Wait WHAT how have I never heard of a fiber optic HDMI cable? What it the benefit over let's say 8K 60hz HDMI?
If anyone can explain it would be greatly appreciated. I just ordered the UB9000 and now I'm really curious about this..
Great review! 4K player reviews are few and far between so I appreciate it.
I’ll start with, I’m no audio/video expert. So I gave my left arm for a 8k Monoprice fiber hdmi for my Dennon AVR-X3700H and Sony A8H eARC pass through. When I opened the package I was like wtf because It was a directional cable? I tried it anyway, but it was not performing nearly as good as Zeskit Cinema Plus. I’m like, I guess it is only directional. So I connected it to my Apple TV4K to my Denon’s 2.1 8k input. I didn’t really see any difference in quality so I returned the cable. I just now realized Denon has been having problems with there 2.1 8k input so now I’m wondering if that it was the problem was? I don’t think so because I was only putting a 4K signal through it, but idk. Anyway just thought I’d mention that. Cool story bro. I liked the part in the middle the best.
Thanks man
The real question is it double the price better.
Double the price? Used oppos are going for 900-1200 used right now.
I think that's a testament to the Oppo wouldn't you think?
And he's clearly comparing it to the original price of 549.00 at the time of their production.
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Honestly, I wish that Oppo would pay attention to what's happening and realize that there is still a market and demand for their products and start producing their products again. But, until then everyone after them is chasing a high.
isaacsykes3 I agree!
my Oppo 105, at the USB port, it won't display some of the chinese character of the song name. All I get is a square. I wonder if this Panasonic fixes it
REALLY upset that a superb player like this Panasonic doesn't have zoom control, like all the Oppos do. But those Oppo dopes omitted allowing you to move and center the zoomed image on the screen. My JVC XV-NA70BK DVD player from 2004 can do that with ease. Zoom controls allow more intimate control over content and really adds to the fun. The least Panasonic should do for a player at this price is to add this feature via a firmware, but they probably wouldn't do so even if they could.
I had to send my OPPO 203 in for service and I bought the Panasonic UB9000 as a back-up. I will run that OPPO until it fails and can no longer be serviced. The Panasonic is wonderful player but they definitely did not apply any logic to their on screen menus.
I owned both Panasonic players and returned the 9000
It didn’t make sense for me to use the xlRs
I use both Hdmi outputs one for video one for hi def audio
You CLEARLY have no concept of what good 2 channel sound quality is like...
Do you not get full surround sound if you do not use the audio out only HDMI port?
i didnt check per say. From my understanding the audio out goes to your AVR and has the same capabilities as normal. I didnt get to keep the 9000 for a long time so I didnt get to try everything I wanted
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Ok thanks! Glad you got to review what you did! I know it can be time consuming to try and hit everything. Good stuff man!
Do you have any other players that you recommend that are a little bit more affordable.
PlayStation 5.
Good luck.
Great video, I bought a lg ubk90 4K player I like it quite a bit got it for $199 at best buy
good deal man!
At 4:52 "...it seems like Panasonic is the winner for overall sharpness..." - excuse me but where do you see that. Although those pictures are not exactly the same, but I can't see any winner and the difference is very slight. I can see that tiny difference just I can't decide which one is better, maybe 4k is not enough to show the differences. And those stills are not synced, look at the orange spots on the screen, they are in different position.
Same syncing problem again at 5:40 actually you show different frames the Panasonic is ahead one frame the Oppo is late, and you compare different frames. Look at the little finger of that sitting guy, its in different position. You could have chosen a similar situation but with a winning Oppo, if the frames could be different.
I have no Oppo neither Panasonic (I have Sony) so I'm totally unbiased, but you are not, obviously if you compare such frames. Only a blind can't take notice of the moving arm on that Oppo's frame.
I think maybe the 5:12 helicopter scene should have ringed the bell, you watch differently synced videos, differently synced to your camera I mean.
Something is fishy for sure.
excuse you? why you talk like this. I said it because of what I say and explained throughout the video. thats why i said it was better on sharpness. Neither of these are bad units. Its just a comparison. Also, im guessing by the tone you own an oppo
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude No Dude I don't own Oppo, I own Sony UBP-X800M2 . I've never seen the above devices in real life. I have no idea which one is better or worse. I just criticized your comparison method, but still Panasonic could be better (or worse) than Oppo, at least by me, I don't care.
You really can't see that you compared different frames at 5:40 ? Oppo's frame is blurred because of motion, of course Pana's frame is significantly sharper. You captured in different moment. You forgot to answer my statement, but you don't like my tone instead :)))
Great video. I’ll stick with my Oppo for a while.
I get you. they are solid players. The best benefit is to have the 9000 with a brand new tv w dolby vision or hdr10+. In my case it doesnt really make sense to upgrade with the current projector..... But i really want one now
Oppo also has an HD optimizer and I did not see you mention that. It is also twice the price of the Oppo 203 at the time of it's release. I think that I will stick with my Oppo
It has optimization settings but not the optimizer feature. The panasonic has both
Hi guys! There is no general blu ray customer service, so I figured maybe you could help me. I kinda know my way around tech stuff, incl. blu ray systems etc. I purchased recently a sony ubp-x 700 UHD player, and hooked it up to an avr (that supports 4K pass-through) and than to a 4K projector. Everything is HDCCP 2.2 bla bla. Now. When I enter the uhd player' s menu, the projector receives a 3840x2160 p signal. But, when I play 4K blu ray discs (real 4K discs either with native 4k or 4K master) the resolution is only 1080p. There is no such thing in settings, as disc output resolution whatsoever. Please help me!
what cables are you running and how long are they?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Hdmi 2.0, supports 4K 60Hz and HDCP 2.2. The cable is 33 feet (10 metres) long.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Also, I have connected a pc via Hdmi to the avr (avr is running the same long hdmi to the projector) and there has been a perfect 4K connection...
try a different cable. The extra length could be an issue. Some devices may or may not have problems with the 4k handshake and some do.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Thank you my man! It turned out, that the avr does not support 4K pass-through, even though it is advertised that way. (H/K AVR 171s)
can you do a review on the pioneer elite 4k blu ray player?
i dont know anyone that can send one out. I may be able to buy one for a review
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude I want to buy one but i would like to see a review for it first
i think the youthman did a review..... if you like him check it out :)
Why is dolby vision off.
Where KIller Fich HDR Optimiser "on" Panasonic !?It was necessary to turn on and demonstrate the HDR Optimizer function, which changes the light, tones, colors, method methodically, due to the HCX processor, for the better realistic side.
heh?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude It was necessary to turn on and demonstrate the HDR Optimizer function, which changes the light, tones, colors, method methodically, due to the HCX processor, for the better realistic side.
Awesome review. I doubt anyone buying this uses the remote that comes with players, most have Harmonys or similar.
Yeah I should have mentioned that. I use harmony too. Good input
So, what is this for? My blue ray player and 75 inch Sammy don't miss squat. I can by this but why? help?
Video performance is some of the best out there. If you think your player just plays whats on the disk you may be missing out if you dont check it out on a premium UHD player. Im not saying buying a premium UHD is necessary, It is a luxury for sure. The extra cost is worth it I think If you are getting an upgrade in picture quality. I dont doubt your setup is primo and looks great. I just got to experience this panasonic in my house for a few days. It was a huge jump from my sony UHD
Does it have analog out put for stereo play.
Yes
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude does oppo 203 have analog ports. If it doesn't can I modify
I like the oppo better. Great video
Panasonic all the way I had the oppo 203
Does all blu ray player support basic 7.1 surround ?
Yes.
How much better is the Panasonic watching 4K disc‘s over the Xbox one X?
lots. you get hdr auto tone mapping. it really improves the HDR
Great video. Great breakdown
Love the Panasonic ub9000.
probably should change that resolution output to 4k/60p (4:4:4) to get higher chroma subsampling and the full color accuracy.
4.4.4 is still a compressed color grading format, if only it were possible to run the full RGB spectrum!!! Ycbcr can send 4:4:4. Ycbcr is a a signal format different from RGB and meant to be more efficient. Ycbcr has Luma (brightness) information separate from chroma (color) which allows the subsampling of the latter (4:2:2 and 4:2:0) for more bandwidth but when you use 4:4:4 its virtually identical with RGB. Conversions between the two may cause some slight color inaccuracies but the measured differences are so small that they are almost in the margin of error domain. Definetly not invisible to the human eye
Yes Sir. Thats usually the case, but the epson 5040 that was used in this video isnt capable of 4.4.4. in 4k/60 or even 24 . If you set the setting to 4k/60 the projector plays in SDR. The epson only does HDR in 4k/24fps in 4.2.0. Thats why i went with the lower setting.
Why are you running 2 hdmi cable outs? Why dont you just send it to the AVR only?
I wanted to remove any chance of interferance of a true a/b comparison. We plan on redoing the video routing it through the AVRs for pass through. Im guessing there will be a difference, but thats the skeptic in me.