Who Does Klei Balance For?
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
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00:00 Intro
01:18 Willow
04:17 Wolfgang
07:31 WX-78
09:22 Thoughts on characters
12:10 Return Of Them
15:08 Reap what you sow
17:35 What's the deal with updates?
18:54 Side note
20:11 Outro
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I totally agree with them answering a lot of our feedback. Like in a sea of "omg this is so rad" some people just wanted to have the sawhorse earlier and deadass 2 betas later now you can get the chair blueprint before activating the rifts and that's incredible. They literally took our "oh this is cool but a bit awkward" and fixed the awkward! so many companies and dev teams just ignore players actively screaming and complaining and klei literally fixed it 2 hotfixes in! that is so good! they responded and adapted to our like nitpicky grumbing!
honestly I love klei they're the best. sometimes they in a silly goofy mood (pre rework willow and og fire wormwood) but aside from those times they're awesome.
and they fix their silly goofy mechanics.
for this I will forgive you for making Webber look bad in half the animations /j
There seem to be some errors and glitchiness in the video, especially around the RoT part, it feels like there are chunks missing
It might have been a rendering error, while I was rendering the video it stuttered quite a bit, so it might have messed up a bit sorry 😞
The thing I also liked is how they separated out endgame from beginner level with the lunar events and bosses and stuff like that being optional challenges while still retaining lots of the difficult parts to either punish players or push them to get better like the giants and it never feels like you're being pusher harder than you should
“I hate furries lol but if I was a furry I’d be the coolest one and my fursona would be awesome and my paws would be cute :3 fuck all that shit tho.” -JustExo
Wa?
I feel like the Wolfgang update definitely wasn't just to nerf a dominant character; although he was arguably the best character pre-rework asides from maybe Wickerbottom, the rework buffed a few things about Wolfgang that helped the more experienced players, most notably the buff to his damage by keeping it to a flat x2 while mighty. The removal of his speed boost in my opinion was a really good change for a lot of the other characters as it prevented Wolfgang from being incredibly overcentralising and outclassing other characters who used speed (especially early game speed) or fast travel to get a niche in viability.
I also really liked the WX rework for the simple reason that reworked WX was simply more powerful than the prework version, with the exception of Overcharge WX, which was incredibly powerful but also virtually impossible to get solo: spreading out WX's power across solo and teams really made it feel more consistently powerful and less overpowered in a team.
klei is doing just about as well as they can. every new update feels substantial to everyone in some way. us experienced players certainly have no right to complain, with the huge amounts of end game content weve been getting. and i think that same content can work towards motivating newer players to get to get good and get to the late game.
I will say this. I have only recently picked up DST and in 1.5 - 2 weeks I've already sunk in 60+ hours (with postgrad study and part time, I've really had to sacrifice sleep to play it). It's incredibly well balanced in so many ways. I want you guys to think not just about the playable characters but the overworld and cave items, the economy, enemy mobs, boss monsters, etc. as well. Every item has so much intent and usefulness to it. The learning curve as well. And I know previously Wickerbottom, Wolfgang, etc were broken, but they've been nerfed. And when trying to figure out which character to choose, I've always felt each character has a very distinct gameplay loop and power balance. The characters are well balanced even in terms of combinations of multiple characters.
TL;DR I just succ some Klei Dev phallus.
Iim a Wx main
And man i love the rework he got
And the character youre playing it feels like a robot
All the circuits are useful
But EXCEPT FOR 1
electrical circuit
Its supose to give you crowd control in exchange for hp
But thats a mechanic in itself since it requires you to get hit in order to get value
Witch its ridiculous
I would actually change it to give 10 electrical damage to your attacks
Up to a maximum of 30
Like a spear deals 34
And you plug 3 of them
Then you will deal 34 +45(due to the 0. 5 electrical damage)
79 damage
The drawback of this damage is that you will lose in other utilities like spped and night vision and you need a charged voltgoat
I had a stroke
The electrical circuit feels more like a failsafe to not get stunlocked by a bunch of spiders
If you manage to get into a situation like that
rodan's bar theme im so shocked someone know this
i feel that most updates dont really cater to either side and focuses on making the game easier to play, not easier in difficulty but the game most certainly feels better to play than how it used to be. i dont think outdated mechanics need to be part of the "uncompromising" part of the game like it seems most people on the forums think.
I think Wolfgang having that ABSURD damage output gated behind more than just "have tons of food" which is basically not an issue for experienced players. Meaning there is almost no reason to play other characters. Wigfrid for example.
Wigfrid is better playing in a team while Wolfgang shines on solo playing
4:00 the music lines up with the tree chooping :)
Love the Unity and Discord tie in
I'm gonna be honest I dislike how often I'm mighty as Wolfgang. Like I wanna be wimpy and I wanna be hunger efficient when I don't need to attack. But I also want to be able to still do stuff like mine and chop trees without 4 trees falling and I hear, "I AM MIGHTY" and I'm at 145 mightiness. Yes I know keep my hunger low and he'll drain faster but I wanna keep my hunger full at like all times cuz it stresses me out when it's lower than 3/4ths. Also I know I'm the only person who feels this way but just idk I wish I had an option to play as pre buffed rework wolfgang.
hello, pretty good vid, wantd to warn you, you have some bizzare cuts in the return of them: im making this at 13:38 but there was at least one more
Yeah, it was a rendering error, my pc had troubles during the process unfortunately 😕
I doubt it'll be anytime soon since they recently got a quality of life update but i hope wortox gets a skill tree soon souls are almost worthless for anything besides cross map teleporting and when i play him i basically always have a full stack of souls on me since i almost never use them.
I assume the cuts are intentional to remove unnecessary tangents...
Klei and Ghostship games my beloved.
If anything were to happen to you I would breakdown.
I agree with you, regarding willow.
Is there any speculation on who gets a skill tree on dst ? 🤺
the theme of the first skill tree spotlight was firewood, so obviously the next them will be lighting fires (so probably willow, walter, warly)
also in the new beta there's a comment in walter's code talking about saving values for 'higher tier ammo'
I'm hoping for willow and winnona but idk I could see them taking another chunk (assuming the 3 at-a-time pattern isn't just for this last one)
Winona needs one
Well, the dev team of a game being envolved and listening to the community is a pretty common thing among indie games, so it's nothing special really
And also they were pretty explict with the new "setting the stage" update note that this year is 100% focused on improving for both noobs and veterans so at least now we know exactly what they are aiming for❤
I dunno, I'm pretty cynical about this, I see Klei as balancing for their pocketbook before any kind of player, it hardly seems to matter what kind of players are impacted it just brings focus back on the game, which brings people back in to get hooked by the skin drops or MTX again, engagement over gameplay.
@9:15 you mention Mob interaction, not entirely sure what you're thinking in that regard but I do find that the non character updates and additions to DST over the solo game are heavily lacking. Most new mobs are isolated in remote biomes with little diversity in the biome, and or next to no interaction between mobs, Saladmanders for example only seem to interact with other saladmanders, and occasionally other mobs but only when bloomed, and besides being a weird and inefficient way to get dragonfruit they don't have much going on to them.
There's not as much getting rock lobsters to beat up giants, or luring hounds into a herd of beefalo, those sorts of mob interactions in the design philosophy of most of the DST specific additions, not that you couldn't arrange certain things like spawning tree guards in a boss arena or something but its often far more effort and not as organic solutions as the original games ecosystem style of design. Sure I see plenty of people suggest hiring or setting up a ton of bunny hutches near queen bee but the amount you need to build up is just kind of absurd and doesn't address the problems with that boss's design. Like sure I said rock lobsters for giants but one rock lobster goes a lot farther and requires less effort to setup and isn't a response to otherwise bad design its just a convenience to let them go to town on Deerclops or Bearger where spamming Bunnymen on queen bee is a response to how stacked against you her mechanics and health total are.
I dunno, I'm kind of sick of discussing Queen Bee though as she's easily the most in need of a rework as far as bosses go but the overall sentiment of anyone I've had respond to my posts is that i should just switch to Maxwell or setup a bunny man farm or this that and the other thing and not even entertain the idea that a rework wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, and its not just QB alot of little things seem to set off the DST community as though the idea of change is offensive.
I do quite love the reap what you sow update, and I wish they could justify bringing it back to the solo game, there's not much that technically should stop them from doing so.
Amogus
I hate insects lol but if I was a bug I'd be the coolest one and my bugsona would be awesome and my mandibles would be cute :3 fuck all that shit tho
So true...
when you look at a lot of the older updates, id say klei spends more time creating content for experienced players. look at bosses like toadstool, crab king, ancient guardian, celestial champ. most new players have no idea they even exist. and toadstools drops are laughably useless, he just gives you stuff to make your base look cool (which i like) and to kill any of those bosses, you need access to multiple diff. late game items, like weather pains. and warly as whole is for experienced players too. he incentivises you to sit at base and farm, which is already a big noob trap. you need experience to know how/what to farm effectively, and to do all that while still getting other things done. and wurt needs to go sailing just to get merm king up, and youre also dealing with healing issues, so you need to farm some kind of healing item to stay alive at all(wormwood too) updates like moon quay, isnt for noobs, neither are the moon storms, or all that shadow gear stuff that i know nothing about. id say klei makes an overwhelming about of content for their loyalists, but still make it fun for noobs with characters like webber, wendy, wicker, all with abilities that can make fighting easier
Klei balances for deerclops. Lets be honest. Willow would get wrecked by him, wolfgang would destroy him. C H A N G E M Y M I N D
hey, so long as you dont starve.
I like your content a lot but why does almost every sentence you speak sound like a question?
You draw out the last word in your sentences, making it sound like adding a question mark.
I don't want to be rude, just wanted to point it out.
Here's an example if you don't know what I'm talking about:
8:28 "WX is definetly a better character all things _considered_ ?"
8:50 "The changes definetly helped alliviate _that_ ?"
9:00 "His health, sanity and _hunger_ ? by scanning some basic _mobs_ ?"
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Amogus