I feel your pain. My go to tool has always been an impact screwdriver on those stubborn screws. They're pretty cheap and you just whack the handle with the driver and it rotates the screw slightly on impact, and usually breaks them loose. You can set them to rotate counter-clockwise or clockwise. The problem is. You need to use them before the screwhead gets stripped. And be sure to ise the right bit. Most of those screws are a #2 Phillips and impacts will have a #1 and #2 Phillips and a couple of flat bits also. Sometimes it helps to hose the screws down with penetrating oil first. Great job on the vice grip and screw extractor advice. Excellent plans B and C. Allen head bolts. Good job. 2 beers up!
@@TulsaMotoClub If the impact screwdriver doesnt work it just takes a few seconds to drill out each screw, just use a bit that is about the same size or slightly smaller than the diameter of the shank of the screw.
I know this is an older video, but Japanese bikes tend to use JIS screws and it's best to use JIS screwdrivers on them, not Phillips. That's why you see so many messed up screw heads on Japanese bikes. Best brand of JIS drivers is Vessel in my opinion - they even make a screw driver with a light duty built in impact driver. Get a couple of JIS screw drivers (#2 is most common) and you will not regret it.
There is such a thing as japanese standard phillips head-like screw drivers. The angles are sharper on them. There is a set with green handles you can buy.
Hey that's good to know! I'll have to pick some up. Japanese bikes seem to be what I end up working on. Either way most screws on this engine were totally thrashed.
So those of you that are saying “impact driver” I agree, but tbh I have this exact engine, and all the engine working tools you could ask for, after fudging with a couple of the philips head bolts with the inpact drill (both electric and pneumatic) After that I tried the actual impact driver, and the heaviest philips bit on it, no go, I ended up welding hex head bolts onto the heads of those and using the impact drill to get them off no problem. Between the heat and the added grip it seemed to loosen them up. If you don’t have a wire welder and you are working on old engines then please just go buy a cheap one and safety equipment, those screw extractors are only good for woodworking, I have never had any luck with them in any mechanical project.
Sometimes i put vise grips on a screw driver and lean all my weight on the screwdriver as i use other hand to rotate it with leverage from vice grips . ( i actuaully use a hex shaft phillips and put a wrench on it ) , little tricks you pick up on .
Those screws are a pain in the BUTT!!! Mine gave me trouble too. I did the same thing as you did, cutting slots in the head and use a flat bit. I hooked it up to an impact and turned the pressure waaaaaay down and backed them out with short bursts. Subscribed, and looking forward to the rest of the build! Till then I'm going to check out your other vids!
Get some blaster penetrating oil for the future projects. Hit it and let it sit for a few hours and if the head is stripping because its old, use a piece of bicycle intertube between it and the screwdriver, that will help it grip without stripping more.
Oh man you need to buy some proper tools, firstly an impact driver you strike wit a hammer not the electric type, the hammered type pushes the bit in to the screw as it turns, and the screws are not philips or pozidrive, they are JIS ( japanese industrial standard) and you need the correct bits or you strip the heads, and using pliers to undo the cam cover?..use a socket, if you carried on in this vain I'd be astounded if you ever actually rebuilt it, it was too painfull to watch, i wouldn't be suprised at all if you smashed the pistons out with a hammer next, please dont set such a bad example, that little bike deserves a bit of respect.
Appreciate the advice. Yeah I have ratchets but those bolts were stripped too and all the screws were pretty messed up at the start. The whole bike was in super poor shape when I got it. But I have since picked up an impact screwdriver and the Japanese screwdrivers are on the way! No way I would take a hammer to the pistons though. I'm new to all this sure but I'm not a total idiot. Lol.
Could really do with part 2 I've got a cd200 engine in bits and need a reference as the manual is quite poo 💩 need a full tear down or full rebuild video.. Help a brother out 😁
I hate to admit it but it's still in pieces! I have mainly been distracted with working on the SR. I'm actually meeting with another builder soon and we plan on building it together and then giving it away!!!
I just found your channel. Watching them through in order. I like that you share the not so easy moments with the projects too. As I do my own build I know there are moments where you bang your head against a wall. Keep up the great content.
Do you plan on replacing the old screws with some allen hex socket screws for ease of removal? That is what I did with any part of my bike that had the stubborn phillips heads and they work great. Im looking forward to the finished product!
Tulsa Moto Club I know Home Depot carries them here in Ga. But I'm pretty sure any hardware store. I fortunately have tons of them in the shop I work in. Just bring a small part with you to try out the threads or check the manual for the thread pitches.
I just googled a set on sbay for your CM200 Twinstar engine for stainless Allen head bolts for $17.50.m.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-Steel-Allen-Bolt-Set-Honda-CM200T-CM200-Twinstar-1980-1982-/192345647072
No offense, but you're making the job harder than it needs to be. If you dont have a impact driver, use a torch to heat up the screws, spray it with penetration oil, then take the the screwdriver and set it in the screw and hit the end of the screwdriver with a heavy hammer. This should shock the screw and apply force. Try this a few times before resorting to cutting the screw
Dude seriously.. I have built 17 of these parallel motors. From crank bearings to tappet cover bolts. My first motor is still running strong. My dad is a aviation grade tool and dye maker taught me everything I know. I disassemble that same motor in the time your video is long. Btw I cringed like fuck with the removal of those fly wheel cover bolts.. had to comment.
Jeaysus!!! Get a JIS screwdriver and an impact driver. Posidrive type drivers will not fit the se Japanese heads. Dremel???? FFS!!!! Barbarian at work.
@@TulsaMotoClub Very true very true. Just didn't see you use it! just broke into my 81 twinstar and thankfully the impact was able to get them all for me!
Well I didnt have the impact at the time of making the video. And most of the screws were already trashed and the others I could get out or I just made them worse. I hated having to cut them all out but I had planned to replace them anyway. Picked up the impact the following payday! :) Would love to see your project! Find me on Facebook and share some pics!
A. I wouldnt call my self a mechanic. B. I dont think the tools a person owns can make them a good or bad mechanic. Tools just assist the knowledge in the building process. I'm all about building people up and encouraging them. So maybe instead of trying to belittle someone you can encourage them. We all start somewhere man. If you would like to order me and impact driver just message me and I'll give you a shipping address.
Two words. impact driver.
Dude tell me about it! I need one bad! If you got an extra just send it my way! :)
Pb. Blaster.
I feel your pain. My go to tool has always been an impact screwdriver on those stubborn screws. They're pretty cheap and you just whack the handle with the driver and it rotates the screw slightly on impact, and usually breaks them loose. You can set them to rotate counter-clockwise or clockwise. The problem is. You need to use them before the screwhead gets stripped. And be sure to ise the right bit. Most of those screws are a #2 Phillips and impacts will have a #1 and #2 Phillips and a couple of flat bits also. Sometimes it helps to hose the screws down with penetrating oil first.
Great job on the vice grip and screw extractor advice. Excellent plans B and C. Allen head bolts. Good job. 2 beers up!
Thanks mate! An impact driver is on the tool wishlist!
@@TulsaMotoClub If the impact screwdriver doesnt work it just takes a few seconds to drill out each screw, just use a bit that is about the same size or slightly smaller than the diameter of the shank of the screw.
@@michaeldodt9793 I tried drilling them out but I was not very good at that at the time
I know this is an older video, but Japanese bikes tend to use JIS screws and it's best to use JIS screwdrivers on them, not Phillips. That's why you see so many messed up screw heads on Japanese bikes. Best brand of JIS drivers is Vessel in my opinion - they even make a screw driver with a light duty built in impact driver. Get a couple of JIS screw drivers (#2 is most common) and you will not regret it.
You're so right. Ive already picked up some vessels actually!
There is such a thing as japanese standard phillips head-like screw drivers. The angles are sharper on them. There is a set with green handles you can buy.
Hey that's good to know! I'll have to pick some up. Japanese bikes seem to be what I end up working on. Either way most screws on this engine were totally thrashed.
Yes!! JIS tip is what I believe they are called. $20 on Amazon.
New CM200T owner here. Thanks for the video!
So those of you that are saying “impact driver” I agree, but tbh I have this exact engine, and all the engine working tools you could ask for, after fudging with a couple of the philips head bolts with the inpact drill (both electric and pneumatic)
After that I tried the actual impact driver, and the heaviest philips bit on it, no go, I ended up welding hex head bolts onto the heads of those and using the impact drill to get them off no problem. Between the heat and the added grip it seemed to loosen them up.
If you don’t have a wire welder and you are working on old engines then please just go buy a cheap one and safety equipment, those screw extractors are only good for woodworking, I have never had any luck with them in any mechanical project.
Sometimes i put vise grips on a screw driver and lean all my weight on the screwdriver as i use other hand to rotate it with leverage from vice grips . ( i actuaully use a hex shaft phillips and put a wrench on it ) , little tricks you pick up on .
Those screws are a pain in the BUTT!!! Mine gave me trouble too. I did the same thing as you did, cutting slots in the head and use a flat bit. I hooked it up to an impact and turned the pressure waaaaaay down and backed them out with short bursts. Subscribed, and looking forward to the rest of the build! Till then I'm going to check out your other vids!
Thanks!! I just discovered your channel earlier today! I subscribed!
Wish I had an impact wrench or an air compressor for that matter. One can dream!
Get some blaster penetrating oil for the future projects. Hit it and let it sit for a few hours and if the head is stripping because its old, use a piece of bicycle intertube between it and the screwdriver, that will help it grip without stripping more.
yeah i need the oil for sure. i tried the tube trick and tried it with duct tape. no success though.
Oh man you need to buy some proper tools, firstly an impact driver you strike wit a hammer not the electric type, the hammered type pushes the bit in to the screw as it turns, and the screws are not philips or pozidrive, they are JIS ( japanese industrial standard) and you need the correct bits or you strip the heads, and using pliers to undo the cam cover?..use a socket, if you carried on in this vain I'd be astounded if you ever actually rebuilt it, it was too painfull to watch, i wouldn't be suprised at all if you smashed the pistons out with a hammer next, please dont set such a bad example, that little bike deserves a bit of respect.
Appreciate the advice. Yeah I have ratchets but those bolts were stripped too and all the screws were pretty messed up at the start. The whole bike was in super poor shape when I got it. But I have since picked up an impact screwdriver and the Japanese screwdrivers are on the way!
No way I would take a hammer to the pistons though. I'm new to all this sure but I'm not a total idiot. Lol.
1:10 what are you doing?
Was it stripped?
EDIT: IMPACT DRIVER MY DUDE!
dude i know! i need one pretty badly haha!
Seriously. Work smarter not harder.
Could really do with part 2 I've got a cd200 engine in bits and need a reference as the manual is quite poo 💩 need a full tear down or full rebuild video.. Help a brother out 😁
In the works bud!
What happen to this build? Part 2?
I hate to admit it but it's still in pieces! I have mainly been distracted with working on the SR. I'm actually meeting with another builder soon and we plan on building it together and then giving it away!!!
I just found your channel. Watching them through in order. I like that you share the not so easy moments with the projects too. As I do my own build I know there are moments where you bang your head against a wall. Keep up the great content.
Hey man! Thank you so much! Glad you found the channel!!!! Where ya from?
Tulsa Moto Club outside of Raleigh/Durham.
Tulsa Moto Club here’s the link to my channel I’ve began for the project. ua-cam.com/channels/IoTKazjQwBnavZMot0RkVg.html
Do you plan on replacing the old screws with some allen hex socket screws for ease of removal? That is what I did with any part of my bike that had the stubborn phillips heads and they work great. Im looking forward to the finished product!
Yes! Thats the plan on every build from now on. Where did you get your screws?
Tulsa Moto Club I know Home Depot carries them here in Ga. But I'm pretty sure any hardware store. I fortunately have tons of them in the shop I work in. Just bring a small part with you to try out the threads or check the manual for the thread pitches.
I just googled a set on sbay for your CM200 Twinstar engine for stainless Allen head bolts for $17.50.m.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-Steel-Allen-Bolt-Set-Honda-CM200T-CM200-Twinstar-1980-1982-/192345647072
Please show me how to do a valve adjustment, plus by the sound, my cam chain may be loose. I have not opened it yet
JIS bits on impact driver are the better tool of choice.
Safety glasses..on the forehead..lots of critics in these comments. Thanks for making a video
How else am I supposed to protect my forehead?
Im waiting to see what happens next.bcuz i have the same engine that u have(cd125)
No offense, but you're making the job harder than it needs to be. If you dont have a impact driver, use a torch to heat up the screws, spray it with penetration oil, then take the the screwdriver and set it in the screw and hit the end of the screwdriver with a heavy hammer. This should shock the screw and apply force. Try this a few times before resorting to cutting the screw
Stuck screws. Impact Driver and hammer. Or cordless drill on low torque setting. No cutting.
Wish those were options at the time. I picked up an impact screwdriver since then
is it possible to find spare parts with you
Not a lot. What are you looking for
Oh i get it now , getting screwed hahaha .
commenting on my own video! Im cool.
before opening old rusty screws, tapp the screw driver moderately hard with a hammer or something
before twisting
Are you using a Phillip's or JIS screwdriver?
It was a Phillip's. I actually still need to pick up some JIS screwdriver. Regardless all the screws I ended up cutting out were already stripped
This govornor CDI ignition timing???
i cant find any link to part 2 :(
Buenas noches puedes compartir el manuel de la moto honda cm200
Dude seriously.. I have built 17 of these parallel motors. From crank bearings to tappet cover bolts. My first motor is still running strong. My dad is a aviation grade tool and dye maker taught me everything I know. I disassemble that same motor in the time your video is long. Btw I cringed like fuck with the removal of those fly wheel cover bolts.. had to comment.
Dope dude! Hopefully I can get as fast as you someday! Keep up the good work man.👍
Try the right sized screwdriver next time
that you will not experience if you have a knock screwdriver..
Jeaysus!!! Get a JIS screwdriver and an impact driver. Posidrive type drivers will not fit the se Japanese heads. Dremel???? FFS!!!! Barbarian at work.
WTF is this guy doing. WOW!
That was painful watching you butcher all those screws. Get a manual impact.
Oh I picked one up friend. Real fast. However an impact wont do anything if the screws are so stripped that there is no bite left.
@@TulsaMotoClub Very true very true. Just didn't see you use it! just broke into my 81 twinstar and thankfully the impact was able to get them all for me!
Well I didnt have the impact at the time of making the video. And most of the screws were already trashed and the others I could get out or I just made them worse. I hated having to cut them all out but I had planned to replace them anyway. Picked up the impact the following payday! :)
Would love to see your project! Find me on Facebook and share some pics!
@olneymaryland77
you dont have it a impact tool bad mechanic!
A. I wouldnt call my self a mechanic.
B. I dont think the tools a person owns can make them a good or bad mechanic.
Tools just assist the knowledge in the building process.
I'm all about building people up and encouraging them. So maybe instead of trying to belittle someone you can encourage them. We all start somewhere man.
If you would like to order me and impact driver just message me and I'll give you a shipping address.