Ben, thanks for the reply, just what I was looking for. I live in the USA and usually keep my setting at 30fps and 1/60th. Hope you get back to traveling soon. The thrill of filming never ends. I am booked on a three week trip to Antarctica in October '21, just hopping they don't cancel due to Covid. Bob
Sorry for the slow reply. It's a wooden camera 19mm bridge plate with ~600mm steel rails (Some people use carbon fibre to save weight). Arri LS9 lens support and long Arri dovetail.
You don’t need this type of kit to film wildlife. You can film on pretty much any stills camera and lens. I don’t own this kit, but get to use it when it’s rented for work.
Ben, love your videos. I have been videoing wildlife and nature for years. However, I started with DSLR's and switched to camcorders. I now shoot with the Canon XF705 which allows me to shot 120 at 1080. When you are not shooting in slow motion what is your preferred shutter speed and frame rate. And yes, I know your live in PAL land. I really enjoy your enthusiasm. I'm 72 and still have the same thrill as I did when I was filming with Super 8mm film back in the 1970's, only now it is a hell of a lot cheaper. Stay safe, Bob
Hi Bob, glad you like the videos! Mostly when we film wildlife “on speed” we use 30fps and 1/60th but then convert that to 25fps to give a little extra magic. It’s barely noticeable, but does add something. So for NTSC I’d probably got to about 36-40fps for a similar effect. There’s something very exciting about being out with wild animals, although im glad I’m not working with film. I don’t think my bank balance would be able to cope!
@@BenTutton Ben, thanks for the reply, just what I was looking for. Hope you get back to traveling soon. I am booked on a three week trip to Antarctica in October '21, just hopping they don't cancel due to Covid. Bob
@@BenTutton thanks for the great video Ben! Subscribed !! When you shoot at 30 FPS then slow it down to 25 fps, does the audio sync as well or is there a noticeable delay let’s say a bird chirping for example ? Thanks again!
8:32 which model is that matte box? seems so easy to attach it to the large diameter front of the lens, without having to attach the matte box to rods. i need one
I was wondering this too! It looks magnetic, the way it just snaps on and off. Are you mounting it on the rails, or am I close with the magnets? If it's not on rails, I take it it's solid enough to take the additional weight of a filter, too?
Wow, thats quite some stuff. Generally not seen on UA-cam, Thanks for sharing. Not that I can afford this but heard these camera have considerable boot time. How this is manage in case of wildlife where every second matters and action can start anytime. You keep this thing power on all the wait time?. Looking forward to more content like this,. especially filming experiences and tips for upcoming talents..thanks
Hey Kiran, the Red takes fooooorrrrreeeeeevvvvveeerrrr to boot up! We now use 2 small batteries (bebop v98s) which can be hot swapped to keep the camera powered on,which is a lifesaver.
Im currently in my third year of college and really want to pursue photography as a future career. I'm extremely passionate about wildlife/landscape photography and was wondering how you were able to afford/become a wildlife photographer. I am looking forward to more of your videos and your experiences! Absolutely incredible to have such gear and it would be an absolute dream to have that gear someday❤️ Super excited for more content!
Hi Aashi, I don’t own this kit, it’s owned by a production company. I started with really quite basic kit. A Canon 7D and 100-400mm lens which I bought before I became a cameraman. I saved up with money from my previous job and started to make films on that.
@@BenTutton that's amazing! I use a canon sl2 with a 75-300mm lens for now, and trying to make the most of it. Thank you for replying it means a lot! I can't wait for more of your videos!
thanks a lot for sharing your gear!! 10:45 where do you mount the Cine 30 HD + the tripod legs on the fstop shinn? is it on the side, or do you just carry it on your shoulder? are the straps on the Shinn strong enough to hold such a heavy tripod? When using the Cine 30 HD with those tripod legs, up to what focal length of the 50-1000mm are you able to shoot without any wobble/vibrations? Do you think the Sachtler video 18 S2 is good enough to avoid wobble/vibrations when using a Sony 200=600mm lens + Sony fs5m2?
I just rest the tripod on top of the bag normally. You could definitely strap it to the side of the bag though. The f-stop would take it. The Cine30 is ok up all the way up to 1000 but you just have to be careful. Especially if it’s windy.The video 18 will be fine for the 200-600 I think.
Exactly the type of video I was looking for, already new about the Canon 50 1000 but was wondering about the cinema camera type as well even though it matters much less for picture quality since I am guessing something like the FX6 would come close but no 8k future proofing but overall curious about what pros do to get such crisp footage of wildlife. Suscribed
Pretty much any camera 4K and above will give really nice, crisp footage. (The CN20 comes in PL and EF mounts, so most cameras can be adapted to take one - Ive used an a7s2 on the back of this lens! The only real reason to film in 8k is because the shelf life of the footage in a library will be longer. And also Japan broadcast in 8k, so if they are a co producer they’ll probably want delivery in 8k.
*Nice piece of Kit mate ! 👍👀. I'm wondering what the maximum resolving power of the Canon 20x50 Cine-Servo actually is ? I'm seeing and hearing 4K, but that's far from enough if you're slapping it on an 8K resolution capable camera, and what about using it with the URSA Mini Pro 12K ? Does this lens have enough natural resolving power for 12K image acquisition ? Most wildlife Cinematographers are shooting with this lens on an Arri Alexa Mini, which is a 4K camera, so it should great, and it does look great, but what happens if you put it on the higher image resolving sensors ?*
Primes are used, but rarely. They’re much trickier to use than the zoom lenses. The ability to zoom out makes finding an animal so much easier and faster, therefore you’re not missing action as much. The other thing is that really you’re not struggling with subject isolation on the 50-1000 even at ~f11. The length of the lens really helps in that regard, especially if animals are close! The long lens primes I’ve used are usually for filming at night. Generally the 400mm f2.8 on the canon ME20
How often do you feel concerned about safety? I mean walking/driving around probably hunders of miles from nearest police station with 100k worth of stuff in backpack
I don't generally feel concerned about safety. Although I was recently on a shoot that had the camera stolen at the airport. Out and about though I don't really think about it - I think stills photography kit is much more likely to be stolen as i's probably easier to sell. Hopefully not too many thieves out in the wilderness though!
The lens is powered through the PL mount on the RED. You also get lens focal length and focus depth info in the EVF which is nice. You can power the lens off a Dtap for cameras without a powered mount - I’ve used this solution on the Phantom Flex which works well, although you obviously don’t get the lens info.
@@BenTutton Haha glad I saw this, I wasn't sure if the RED top plate was flush or not. I still have one of my old wooden camera top plates that I had shaved back to fit the revolva before they made a revolva version.
I didn't mean to mislead anyone. That's what was in my backpack! In my most recent video I've talked about camera ownership in the wildlife filmmaking industry.
what would yo u recommend to start in the wildlife docu world I've been doing wildlife photography for a lot of years now and I dream of filming for National bbc etc what would be the first step of getting into this industry ? Nolan
I'm planning on making a video all about the money side of things. You can earn a reasonable amount, but it's definitely not a job you do if you want to get rich! In terms of starting, there's many ways in. (everyon'e s journey into the business is different) I think if you have access to interesting animals and stories, the technology to film them well is fairly easy to get your hands on. Make a film, then go and promote yourself to producers, and share everything online. I think most producers would rather have someone who has practical field experience rather than a lot of theoretical knowledge.
I’ve never powered the CN20 when it’s on the RED, so yeah, the mount is fine. The lens power cable just plugs into itself. I have had a faulty Mount once, which was really annoying - No servo!
Looking at the CN20 description it appears to be S35 max, not full-frame 8k. I'm wondering if this is dated marketing material from Canon. How does the CN20 perform at 8k on that camera in your experience and can I assume it would perform in a similar manner on a V-Raptor?
Yeah, it's only S35, although you get better FF coverage with the 1.5 extender in on full frame. It stands up at 8K on the Helium, but I've not used it on the v-raptor yet...
Talking bout closeups vs wide shots, do you usually use just one camera to do it all? Or would you have one to capture a fixed close-up of say a nest and other camera to follow the target and do general wide angles simultaneously? And yes that's a beast of a rig :)
Depends what you’re trying to film, how much time you’ve got and how likely the action will happen more than once. I’ve been on shoots with 2x camera operators. One for the wide, and one for the close up shot so you can cover the action. This is especially useful if it’s “once in a lifetime” behaviour. You can’t really film both at once on one tripod because the framing on the wide won’t be good, and also you won’t have anyone ato focus the 2nd camera so need 2x operators Sometimes we’ll rig a second camera as a nest cam (I’ve done it with beavers before too) Generally though it’s just one camera and lens and you use it to film both the tight shots and the wides as the action happens. The ability to zoom makes this process much faster.
@@BenTutton yeah I might need a b-cam for nest with my eagle-project. It can take good 2 or 3 hours and nothing happening around the nest and I get distracted to film a random roe-deer or whatnot. Naturally the action takes place around the nest exactly on that moment...
This is a great video! I have a friend that owns this set up and it baffles me to think of the investment for such a career. Im trying to break into the industry and keep telling myself I need to be patient with gear and really just try to use what I can and let production rent vs wanting to try to invest. Whats your thoughts on owning. Will this bring on more hires?
Hi Steven, cheers for the comment. I don’t own this kit, it’s owned by production, and can’t really imagine making the investment in such an expensive kit unless I had a large enough project I knew would pay for the loan. Most UK wildlife production companies now own at least a few of these kits, and so even if you have your own it’s hard to rent the kit to the production, as it’s cheaper for them to take their kit! I think really the only thing worth owning is specialist kit (I.e. underwater) and peripherals to make your life easier! I’d you’re still trying to break in, then I’d say carry on with the kit you’ve got to hand. If you can film well on that, then it’ll be easy(ish!) on a kit like this! Hope that helps!
@@BenTutton great suggestion! Thanks! I'll try my best with the kit I've got. Do you sell a lot of stock? This would make kit requirements a little different eh?
Love this Ben, great stuff. I've been wanting a Shinn for ages haha. Love the 400,000 bees fact 😂 so good. Looking forward to seeing it in action!
You could literally fit a kitchen sink in the shinn! It's a bit pricey mind!
Ben, thanks for the reply, just what I was looking for. I live in the USA and usually keep my setting at 30fps and 1/60th. Hope you get back to traveling soon. The thrill of filming never ends. I am booked on a three week trip to Antarctica in October '21, just hopping they don't cancel due to Covid. Bob
Fingers crossed you get to go on your trip. It’s somewhere I’ve always wanted to visit.
Those are some fun lookin' toys!
Yep, great fun to film with!
I have the same gear. Its really nice.
Talking about the leatherman.
Love my leatherman! I’ve actually got a new accessory for it that I’m going to make a video about soon!
How does this video with arguably the best Lens Canon has every released only have 640 views after 7 months?!?!!
Epic lens that 50-1000!
Yeah, it's an absolute beast!
How do I get into this job field, I like making documentaries and films right now, but i love blue planet and those netflix shows!
Absolutely crazy lens
Bloody beast! Need beers after lockdown Ben 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Epic mate! What a kit!
Hey mate. Great video! May I know what's your rail set up. What models? Thanks.
Sorry for the slow reply. It's a wooden camera 19mm bridge plate with ~600mm steel rails (Some people use carbon fibre to save weight). Arri LS9 lens support and long Arri dovetail.
hi ben thanks for doing this video I am a wildlife cameraman from India and I have seen this set up and I have used it one or two times too
This is nuts. How am I ever gonna get there?
You don’t need this type of kit to film wildlife. You can film on pretty much any stills camera and lens.
I don’t own this kit, but get to use it when it’s rented for work.
Ben, love your videos. I have been videoing wildlife and nature for years. However, I started with DSLR's and switched to camcorders. I now shoot with the Canon XF705 which allows me to shot 120 at 1080. When you are not shooting in slow motion what is your preferred shutter speed and frame rate. And yes, I know your live in PAL land. I really enjoy your enthusiasm. I'm 72 and still have the same thrill as I did when I was filming with Super 8mm film back in the 1970's, only now it is a hell of a lot cheaper. Stay safe, Bob
Hi Bob, glad you like the videos!
Mostly when we film wildlife “on speed” we use 30fps and 1/60th but then convert that to 25fps to give a little extra magic. It’s barely noticeable, but does add something. So for NTSC I’d probably got to about 36-40fps for a similar effect.
There’s something very exciting about being out with wild animals, although im glad I’m not working with film. I don’t think my bank balance would be able to cope!
@@BenTutton Ben, thanks for the reply, just what I was looking for. Hope you get back to traveling soon. I am booked on a three week trip to Antarctica in October '21, just hopping they don't cancel due to Covid. Bob
@@BenTutton thanks for the great video Ben! Subscribed !! When you shoot at 30 FPS then slow it down to 25 fps, does the audio sync as well or is there a noticeable delay let’s say a bird chirping for example ? Thanks again!
8:32 which model is that matte box? seems so easy to attach it to the large diameter front of the lens, without having to attach the matte box to rods. i need one
Hi Beni, it’s an Arri lmb-5. Really easy to attach!
I was wondering this too! It looks magnetic, the way it just snaps on and off. Are you mounting it on the rails, or am I close with the magnets? If it's not on rails, I take it it's solid enough to take the additional weight of a filter, too?
Ben, why did you stop making videos can we see your more content like on field using your gears or anything but keep uploading man
Love it
Wow, thats quite some stuff. Generally not seen on UA-cam, Thanks for sharing. Not that I can afford this but heard these camera have considerable boot time. How this is manage in case of wildlife where every second matters and action can start anytime. You keep this thing power on all the wait time?. Looking forward to more content like this,. especially filming experiences and tips for upcoming talents..thanks
Hey Kiran, the Red takes fooooorrrrreeeeeevvvvveeerrrr to boot up! We now use 2 small batteries (bebop v98s) which can be hot swapped to keep the camera powered on,which is a lifesaver.
It can be very frustrating if something amazing is happening and the camera is taking ages to load though. 😬😫
@@BenTutton thats good to know. Thanks for the information, always wondered about this. 👍
Ben ! You are on the UA-cam train! :D
Love the beast count :D.
All aboard the UA-cam train - woo woo!
Im currently in my third year of college and really want to pursue photography as a future career. I'm extremely passionate about wildlife/landscape photography and was wondering how you were able to afford/become a wildlife photographer. I am looking forward to more of your videos and your experiences! Absolutely incredible to have such gear and it would be an absolute dream to have that gear someday❤️ Super excited for more content!
Hi Aashi, I don’t own this kit, it’s owned by a production company.
I started with really quite basic kit. A Canon 7D and 100-400mm lens which I bought before I became a cameraman. I saved up with money from my previous job and started to make films on that.
@@BenTutton that's amazing! I use a canon sl2 with a 75-300mm lens for now, and trying to make the most of it. Thank you for replying it means a lot! I can't wait for more of your videos!
thanks a lot for sharing your gear!!
10:45 where do you mount the Cine 30 HD + the tripod legs on the fstop shinn? is it on the side, or do you just carry it on your shoulder? are the straps on the Shinn strong enough to hold such a heavy tripod?
When using the Cine 30 HD with those tripod legs, up to what focal length of the 50-1000mm are you able to shoot without any wobble/vibrations?
Do you think the Sachtler video 18 S2 is good enough to avoid wobble/vibrations when using a Sony 200=600mm lens + Sony fs5m2?
I just rest the tripod on top of the bag normally. You could definitely strap it to the side of the bag though. The f-stop would take it.
The Cine30 is ok up all the way up to 1000 but you just have to be careful. Especially if it’s windy.The video 18 will be fine for the 200-600 I think.
Exactly the type of video I was looking for, already new about the Canon 50 1000 but was wondering about the cinema camera type as well even though it matters much less for picture quality since I am guessing something like the FX6 would come close but no 8k future proofing but overall curious about what pros do to get such crisp footage of wildlife. Suscribed
Pretty much any camera 4K and above will give really nice, crisp footage. (The CN20 comes in PL and EF mounts, so most cameras can be adapted to take one - Ive used an a7s2 on the back of this lens!
The only real reason to film in 8k is because the shelf life of the footage in a library will be longer. And also Japan broadcast in 8k, so if they are a co producer they’ll probably want delivery in 8k.
Beast!! We enjoyed this a lot Ben :)
Cheers guys! It really is a beast!
*Nice piece of Kit mate ! 👍👀. I'm wondering what the maximum resolving power of the Canon 20x50 Cine-Servo actually is ? I'm seeing and hearing 4K, but that's far from enough if you're slapping it on an 8K resolution capable camera, and what about using it with the URSA Mini Pro 12K ? Does this lens have enough natural resolving power for 12K image acquisition ? Most wildlife Cinematographers are shooting with this lens on an Arri Alexa Mini, which is a 4K camera, so it should great, and it does look great, but what happens if you put it on the higher image resolving sensors ?*
I've not used it on a 12K camera so I'm not sure. but it's used at 8K a fair bit and seems to hold up nicely.
Loved this! Super cool to get some insight. How often do you see the 600mm primes used instead? Say for subject isolation
New Sub btw! going to binge watch all your videos in my process of trying to make this a reality for myself
Primes are used, but rarely. They’re much trickier to use than the zoom lenses. The ability to zoom out makes finding an animal so much easier and faster, therefore you’re not missing action as much.
The other thing is that really you’re not struggling with subject isolation on the 50-1000 even at ~f11. The length of the lens really helps in that regard, especially if animals are close!
The long lens primes I’ve used are usually for filming at night. Generally the 400mm f2.8 on the canon ME20
@@BenTutton thanks for the info! I have a 150-600 zoom so I'll just stick to that! I was debating try to save for a big prime haha
How often do you feel concerned about safety? I mean walking/driving around probably hunders of miles from nearest police station with 100k worth of stuff in backpack
I don't generally feel concerned about safety. Although I was recently on a shoot that had the camera stolen at the airport.
Out and about though I don't really think about it - I think stills photography kit is much more likely to be stolen as i's probably easier to sell. Hopefully not too many thieves out in the wilderness though!
Ben, How is the servo on the lens powered? Through the RED Helium’s pl-mount or D-tap?
The lens is powered through the PL mount on the RED. You also get lens focal length and focus depth info in the EVF which is nice.
You can power the lens off a Dtap for cameras without a powered mount - I’ve used this solution on the Phantom Flex which works well, although you obviously don’t get the lens info.
Great video mate! Love the shaved top plate, I'm assuming that's so you can put a revolva on?
Yep, that’s so the Revolva fits on. I remember the first shoot I took one on and couldn’t use it because of the top plate - nightmare!
@@BenTutton Haha glad I saw this, I wasn't sure if the RED top plate was flush or not. I still have one of my old wooden camera top plates that I had shaved back to fit the revolva before they made a revolva version.
Did you just forget to mention This isn't your equipment , you just merely rent it from Films@95
I didn't mean to mislead anyone. That's what was in my backpack! In my most recent video I've talked about camera ownership in the wildlife filmmaking industry.
what would yo u recommend to start in the wildlife docu world I've been doing wildlife photography for a lot of years now and I dream of filming for National bbc etc what would be the first step of getting into this industry ?
Nolan
How much can one earn as a wildlife videographer? How does one start? Showreel first to producers? Or just have a UA-cam account and try and get hits?
I'm planning on making a video all about the money side of things. You can earn a reasonable amount, but it's definitely not a job you do if you want to get rich!
In terms of starting, there's many ways in. (everyon'e s journey into the business is different) I think if you have access to interesting animals and stories, the technology to film them well is fairly easy to get your hands on. Make a film, then go and promote yourself to producers, and share everything online. I think most producers would rather have someone who has practical field experience rather than a lot of theoretical knowledge.
Does the CN20 get enough power via the red's mount or would you recommend powering the servo box using a dtap cable?
I’ve never powered the CN20 when it’s on the RED, so yeah, the mount is fine. The lens power cable just plugs into itself.
I have had a faulty Mount once, which was really annoying - No servo!
Looking at the CN20 description it appears to be S35 max, not full-frame 8k. I'm wondering if this is dated marketing material from Canon. How does the CN20 perform at 8k on that camera in your experience and can I assume it would perform in a similar manner on a V-Raptor?
Yeah, it's only S35, although you get better FF coverage with the 1.5 extender in on full frame.
It stands up at 8K on the Helium, but I've not used it on the v-raptor yet...
Whats your passion ISO?
I heard that if you go too high it’s grainy. So ISO 1
Yesss dude
Wait... WE'RE meant to be doing the focus? I've just been pointing the thing at animals, I thought it was on auto. Uh oh.
@@OllyJelleyWildlife Did you press the big red button too? You've got to press the red button when you see an animal.
@@BenTutton Oh god. I am in BIG trouble.
Great tutorial ,thanks a lot .Helps young WL documentary camera person.we use Blackmagic with 600 prime.All the best.
Great video! Is the 50-1000 wheater sealed?
Cheers! Ive had it out in the rain a fair bit and never had any problems, but I'll always try and keep it dry!
Talking bout closeups vs wide shots, do you usually use just one camera to do it all? Or would you have one to capture a fixed close-up of say a nest and other camera to follow the target and do general wide angles simultaneously? And yes that's a beast of a rig :)
Depends what you’re trying to film, how much time you’ve got and how likely the action will happen more than once.
I’ve been on shoots with 2x camera operators. One for the wide, and one for the close up shot so you can cover the action. This is especially useful if it’s “once in a lifetime” behaviour.
You can’t really film both at once on one tripod because the framing on the wide won’t be good, and also you won’t have anyone ato focus the 2nd camera so need 2x operators
Sometimes we’ll rig a second camera as a nest cam (I’ve done it with beavers
before too)
Generally though it’s just one camera and lens and you use it to film both the tight shots and the wides as the action happens. The ability to zoom makes this process much faster.
@@BenTutton yeah I might need a b-cam for nest with my eagle-project. It can take good 2 or 3 hours and nothing happening around the nest and I get distracted to film a random roe-deer or whatnot. Naturally the action takes place around the nest exactly on that moment...
@@tatuparssinen That's wildlife filmmaking! So easy to get distracted! The action always happens when you're filming something else!
70k. Right?
Yeah, the lens is ~$70k 🤯
and now in 2023 it's worth maybe 15,000
The Red? Yeah they’re definitely not as valuable now the raptor is out. Still amazing cameras!
The lens is still very expensive though!
This is a great video! I have a friend that owns this set up and it baffles me to think of the investment for such a career. Im trying to break into the industry and keep telling myself I need to be patient with gear and really just try to use what I can and let production rent vs wanting to try to invest. Whats your thoughts on owning. Will this bring on more hires?
Hi Steven, cheers for the comment.
I don’t own this kit, it’s owned by production, and can’t really imagine making the investment in such an expensive kit unless I had a large enough project I knew would pay for the loan.
Most UK wildlife production companies now own at least a few of these kits, and so even if you have your own it’s hard to rent the kit to the production, as it’s cheaper for them to take their kit!
I think really the only thing worth owning is specialist kit (I.e. underwater) and peripherals to make your life easier!
I’d you’re still trying to break in, then I’d say carry on with the kit you’ve got to hand. If you can film well on that, then it’ll be easy(ish!) on a kit like this!
Hope that helps!
@@BenTutton great suggestion! Thanks! I'll try my best with the kit I've got. Do you sell a lot of stock? This would make kit requirements a little different eh?
How much does the entire kit translates into dollars
Approximately $130,000 USD or maybe even more!
@@BenTutton Can you please do a video on camera stabilizers you use during the production