That's so real -- I have a host of chronic illnesses and am very plus size, and while I actually really appreciate my body, it all comes back to an overall neutral stance on what it means to have a human body I have to laboriously keep from falling apart. I really appreciate the body positivity movement, but at the end of the day, most people I know who are very into it have a really hard time accepting that it's OK to dislike or be uncomfortable in your body -- like, _genuinely_ they will have breakdowns if they start wanting to lose weight, it's really sad. The point of the movement was _always_ the desire to resist obesity doomerism and fatphobia, but a lot of people misunderstand or misuse the term to mean that obsessive self-care routines and body worship should be the "norm." And that's a shame, because obesity has always been a societal nutrition issue fueled by corporate greed and governmental short-termism. Body positivity to me means appreciating that my body is doing the best it can and not falling for weightloss industry scams due to a feeling of hopelessness of loss of control. But ultimately that's just, like, regaining a sense of pride in what my weird genetics can achieve in terms of "normalcy," and striving for better quality of life, _even when_ that includes actively wanting to change or fix it. But apparently that's now a very neutral stance on it.
The most logical thing I've heard about this. Some people can't distinguish between self love and confidence, and actually loving every single thing about yourself. We can't, and we shouldn't, love Everything about ourselves, either physically or personality wise.
This is true for everyone. Imagine you would have to Love your Body Always. Pregnancy,.Postpartum, Teens, Sick, hungover etc. You do Not have to be "pretty" to be okay. We.are all Sometimes ugly and the majority does not make their living by their Looks, so who Cares.
Let’s also acknowledge how ozempic usage is a class issue - working class people that struggle with diabetes and obesity cannot afford the already hard to obtain medication necessary for their health, while rich celebrities can.
I work in a pharmacy in Europe and a month ago we managed to get some ozempics. One of our diabetics clients literally CRIED and bought us chocolate the next day because she finally could get her medication that she needs. And it's because rich people are using it to get thin.
I'm just starting Mounjaro, in the product label it's written it's both for diabetes and weight loss so people can go away, I'm using the product how it's registered.
European here as well: A relative of mine was on a strict diabetic medication (not ozempic/wegovy etc.) for years were it was crucial to take the medication always at the exact same time and dosage. Then the ozempic trend set in and suddenly the medication was not available anymore. For months and months. Apparently there was no alternative, so from one moment to another the strict therapy was nilled and my relative was left hanging like: "You're on your own. Happy dying" (my words). The reasoning given by the doctor was that it was linked to the ozempic craze in the US, so probably pharmaceutical companies all trying to jump on the NovoNordisk wagon. That's just crazy!
Who cares? If weight is your problem with diabetes, get therapy for your overeating and stop being a slave to a rich company that doesn't give a hoot about you.
I am a pharmacist in Italy - this summer there was a shortage of Ozempic, and from August until October we have had a deluge of desperate diabetics that were not able to access their LIFESAVING medication, left without an alternative in most cases, calling us every day to know if it was available again. It's still not available - except for a short seven days at the start of October. So whenever I hear about people using Ozempic like that I get extremely angry, because I remember all the desperate patients.
Same hear in Germany. We say to our diabetics "Please ask your Doc to Change to Something different. (If thats possible) This Trend isnt stopping tomorrow."
I feel a similar frustration when i can’t access my ADHD medication. It’s not a life-saving drug, but my quality of life is dramatically reduced when i can’t access it (usually there’s a shortage around final’s week-when i especially need it!!) i get so frustrated when people use ADHD stimulants as recreational drugs because even when my medication is available it’s still incredibly difficult to access due to it being a controlled substance. There are so many extra hoops and barriers than my other medications, so sometimes there are weeks between refills
Being fat means you have insulin resistance to a certain degree, meaning they “have” diabetes. You’re there to count pills and put them in a container. Your a glorified counter gatekeeper. You aren’t there to diagnose whether someone is insulin resistant enough to “merit” a prescription just by counting their pills or handing them a pre measured needle.
Me too. Something in me broke during the pandemic and I just don't give a shit about rich, famous assholes and whatever dumb bullshit they're up to. Their lives are so irrelevant to mine, and lord knows they don't care about me.
@@sheilaross1449exactly, they don't care about us, about world outside of their masions. I do not support or follow any celebrity or ultra rich psychopats on social media, they are done for me.
I hate how it's a trend to have a certain bodyshape, the rapid cycle between very different shapes makes it even worse.
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It’s wild and so is the fact it used to be achieved by clothing/padding, but now it’s expected to be achieved by removing or adding fat, fillers and implants 🤢
we've stopped relying on fashion and started becoming the items of fashion, people are treating themselves like puzzle pieces now instead of a whole...:/
Actresses: OMG corsets were So Bad! Misogyny!! Also actresses: let me just pop this fat in my but, this silicone in my boobs, and remove the fat on my cheeks. Oh, colossal butts are no longer trending? Ok, brb, just gonna take this stuff out really quick 💀
For the last few years, I've subscribed to the body neutrality movement; rather than "all bodies are beautiful, fat people are beautiful" it says "no one should ever have their worth judged based on their body." Those are not mutially exclusive. I don't think we're even close to that as a society tho....
I really believe the body positivity movement was intended to honor all bodies and the people who live in them without judgment, but somewhere along the line (probably the commercialization) it became "all bodies are visually appealing!" True body positivity, to me, is that the visuals of my body have nothing to do with its value-that my body is worthy no matter what it looks like. Our bodies are good, and there are no bad bodies. I hope body neutrality becomes a thing and fills this lapse from the marketed body positivity.
A part of body neutrality is also respecting health in regards of individual bodies. Try to be healthy and do things that are good for your body but respect the boundaries that exist. I have EDS. My healthy is rather different to someone elses healthy but eating clean and excersising regularly is possible (and positiv) for me. Yourself is not deteched from your body. Try to give it the care it deserves should be prioritised over beauty. Being as pain free as possible for as long as possible is far more important than the fleeting idea of beauty.
@@sachaAlex this is where I like Health at Every Size (HAES). It's the idea that no matter your size, you can do health-promoting behaviors like getting enough sleep, eating a varied diet that leaves your hunger satisfied, drinking enough water, and getting regular movement in whatever way is best for you. It leaves body size and weight completely out of the conversation and focuses on promoting healthy behavior. It's trying to reduce "fat broken arm syndrome" where a fat person comes to the doctor for something like a broken arm and is always harassed about their body size and given unhelpful and ineffective diet advice they didn't ask for.
@@palomanena22Yes and also the trend of body positivity turned into and additional pressure for people with non normative bodies to "love" their bodies which is unrealistic. It's perfectly normal to find things about your body you wish were different, and demonizing that only puts more guilt into people whose mental health is already threatened. The focus should always be about the fact that you deserve to live your life and have space and respect regardless of your body, to counteract how society tell us that we need to fit into a standard to be acceptable. We don't have to wait until we love everything about ourselves (be it because we changed everything that society tell us is wrong about it, or because we fixed and healed our body image issues) to start to live and occupy our place in the world. That is unrealistic.
As someone who grew up as a fat teen in the 2000s, seeing bodies like mine in movies was amazing. And the body positivity movement did amazing things for my self-confidence. That being said, I tried ozempic. I hated it. Then, because of a health scare, I had gastric bypass surgery. And as I got thinner, I noticed how the whole world started treating me differently. I do not begrudge these celebrities for losing weight for themselves. I don't like that some are pushing a semi "thin is the only way to be beautiful" narrative. And that's also on us a society. We glorify the skinny. Yes, being obese is unhealthy, but so is being underweight. And, as I've had to say to many people when they say "don't say you were fat, you were beautiful," being fat and being beautiful are not mutually exclusive. I can be, and was, both.
I've always been super skinny, from nothing but genetics. And I really agree with you. I cannot say that I think that your weight (generally, unless unhealthy and that goes both ways) impacts your beauty. There's been fat women who I've found really really beautiful to the point where I was intimidated by them. But then they'd make shitty comments about themselves in front of me (and sometimes even mention me looking how I do) as if they owe society some sort of guilt? They don't. They really don't and it makes me so fucking sad that women are always lied to. If your too much of ANYTHING than societ hates you. But society is subjective, so it's never good enough. I wish we could all take a step back from this shit. But I doubt our society will.
The flip side of Ozempic is that for some people it’s an irreplaceable tool. I struggled with eating disorders and binge eating, emotional eating, etc. I tried working with a nutritionist, working with a trainer, working with my doctor. Ozempic is the first thing that has actually helped me. I was about 6 hours into my first dose when the “food noise” shut off. It’s actually helping me heal my relationship with food, because for the first time in my life I’m not obsessing over it. I’m using a very low dose, and I’ve lost 30 lbs over about 6 months. After the first month I asked my doctor if this is how most people go through life experiencing food. Diet culture is dangerous, and misuse of this drug is definitely a concern, but it’s important to remember that for many people it’s an invaluable tool.
I think this is less a flipside and more what it's meant for. For people who struggle with food noise to the point that their health is negatively affected. For people who need to lose weight and just can't, as Karolina said. I'm really glad it helps you 💜
Same! I use a compound version through my Doctor to treat my insulin resistance. I'm on a low dose as well. I am 100% with you on the food noise. I am an emotional eater and have a bit of BD on top of my ADHD, so that's a fun combo. I also had the realization that "this" must be what it is like to live without constantly thinking about food. I am 38 and have always struggled with the food noise and binging when I was anxious. Now that it is gone I am able to resist food triggers. I am able to rationalize my emotions and use movement instead of food when I feel anxious/stressed. It is really helping me establish a better relationship with food. My hormones have also balanced. It's remarkable how a low dose of this medication has helped my body function normally for the first time. This journey is less about just losing weight for me. It's about getting my body in balance for the first time. Many people in my family are diabetic and I was on my way there as well. The weight loss is nice, but it's only about .5 lb a week. I'm not on a fast track to getting skinny, and I'm not going to on this low dose anyway, but, I am building muscle and better long term habits, and I think that is pretty great!
We need to start with ozempic is NOT prescribed for weight loss! I can’t believe how many people still believe this!! Wegovy, Zepbound & Saxenda are the medications prescribed for weight loss. They have higher doses of the weight loss medication and none of the diabetes medication in them. People who aren’t diabetic shouldn’t take a diabetes medication! This isn’t DIET CULTURE! They don’t just pass out these meds! You need to be obese or have comorbidities! These medications are ALSO good for HEART DISEASE!! But god forbid someone is a healthy weight, treats heart disease, improves an obesity related condition…it’s obviously just vanity!!! 🤡
as an asexual on wegovy it honestly dulls food noise so much it feels like im ace for food now. i still make sure to eat as healthily as i can so don't worry
In my opinion the body positivity movement never really took off to begin with. The only types of bodies outside the norm that really resonated with the general public included people who still had a waist, still had curves in the right spots, had conventionally attractive faces, and depending on what region you were in were the right race or ethnicity. Now that ozempic is pretty accessible people can drop the pretense they had about being body positive and go back to the ideal they’ve pushed all along. Bonus points that “heroin chic” bodies are back in style because these groups were tired of being overlooked back when being “slim thick” was in
100% agree! I wish clothes more than bodies were in fashion, but clothes as we do them now are accessories to bodies rather than the primary fashionable thing themselves. Sure, clothes still go (rapidly) in and out of fashion, but they're cut according to the body type that's all the rage at the moment
Came here to say something similar, but you hit the nail right on the head! At best, mainstream culture reluctantly put on a facade that it was "okay with" an extremely watered-down, "corporate-friendly" version of body positivity. One that doesn't challenge any of the industries that profit from it. But as soon as one of those industries offered """a cure,""" we flew right back to square 1 while still patting ourselves on the back because "at least we're doing better than we were in the 2000s." Are we really?
I worked for a large clothing company ' one of the biggest in the world as a designer ' we had a research group tracking male and female ques for physical attraction, it was so opposite to so called ' body positivity 😂 they shut down the research 😅 because it's pretty simple ' humans are wired to find healthy body ratios as attractive, so no matter what we are told to think or what's kind we simply are wired that way (apart from those few who are not. The data lost forever 😂
Right. I am a bottom heavy person with thick boned legs that are never gonna be skinny, even when I weighed less than I do now. Am I thankful that big booties are in? Yes. Am I uncomfortable that the only reason they're in seems to be in a sexual way? Yes. But still, my round face/double chin isn't in, my chubbier arms aren't in, my belly isn't in. The Instagram girls with skinny upper bodies, long legs, and bigger butts are in. There's no winning. It's pick and choose. I'm told I need to lose weight.
There's another scary side of this trend. My brother has diabetes 2 and uses this drug for managing his illness. We're Polish but we live in UK. Recently he told me that some old friend contacted him asking if there's any chance he could buy and send her this drug, as she's also diabetic but apparently there's such a shortage that she struggles to find any in apothecaries. She went a long length to prove to him that she's not weight loss obsessed but indeed in need of the drug.
Have your brother look into keto/carnivore diets and how they can reverse type 2 diabetes with no medication. Dr Ken Berry (on youtube) has many videos on this.
@@mikelezcurra810 yes. He's actually on a very good way of loosing weight which makes my heart sing. He got seriously into paying attention to what he eats and low carbs kind of almost keto helps him a lot.
@@mikelezcurra810 Hey buddy, please stop posting this under a bunch of comments. People with diabetes need to work with their healthcare providers, and telling them to follow a UA-cam doctor is extremely dangerous. Diabetes is potentially deadly and needs to be managed carefully and individually.
Rebel Wilson was also trying to lose weight and get healthier to improve her fertility. She has PCOS and she wanted to have children. Screw the executives that were mad at her for that.
I honestly really hate that she is so type-casted as a funny fat person... yes, she is fantastic in those roles. She has great comedic timing and wasn't self-conscious about her body. But she is also a genuinely good actor. I was blown away by her performance in Pain And Gain. She is capable of a wide variety of acting roles, and it sucks that she could barely get cast for anything else while fat.
@@mrpurple11hi, it seems that her management team gave her pushback on losing weight because the majority of her jobs/roles rely on Rebel being the "fat, funny girl" character. so changing her body shape makes her ineligible for the work she was previously doing
I was about to ask about how it affects people with PCOS. Due to insulin resistance and other metabolic issues with the endocrine system weight loss is almost impossible for most ppl with PCOS I’m one of them….
The body positivity movement never even existed imo. If you were fat you had to be fat in the ‘right’ way, the hourglass way, to be treated with any respect or admiration (I am not saying fat in anyway to comment on anyone’s body, just in the context of the video!) Most of the celebrities Karolina showed in this video were hourglass fat for example. Even if your body was large, we still had to be able to see your jawline and cheekbones or your defined curvy waist for you to be pretty. And how positive can a movement be when it’s based on selling you either teas to make you skinny or plus size workout wear? All body positivity ever did was serve as yet another method to sell shit to women by subtly influencing your perception of your own bodily form. It’s a very, very sad situation.
About plus size workout wear : first of all, this shit is more comfortable than usual clothing and fuck being uncomfortable just to be fashionable in the eyes of other people. Second, do you know you are allowed to want to do sports for the fun of it (like dancing or hiking) ? You need appropriate clothing to move freely. If you happen to be plus-size, what are you going to wear if there's no plus-size clothing available ? I still don't find appropriate sport clothing readily available for my body shape so when a brand is making good shit I buy it. Physical exercize doesn't have to be weight-loss level to make you feel good (and that's coming from someone who usually hates sports because it's painful but has recently discovered one that makes her just feel nice during and afterwards).
This comment should have more likes. Absolutely agree. I noticed this too and remember thinking, damn I don't even fit in with this new "fat acceptance" because when I gain weight I'm not perfectly hourglass shaped like these plus sized models. And it just makes my face look huge. 😂
Dear Karolina, I am 55 years of age. Which is old, but I am mentioning it because in my lifetime I have seen so many changes in preference of womens bodies, through movies and advertisement. Dior silhouette, Marilyn Monroe, Twiggy, curvy 90's models, Kate Moss, Heroin chic (scary). Rizzo (also scary). All over the place. Never like real, everage women. Changing body image every five years is crazy, unreal. Also, just through living a womans body changes, from girl to young woman, maybe from woman to mother, from young woman to middle age woman to older woman. Change, change, change. Happens naturally.
Beautifully put! The expectation seems to be that one achieves the "perfect" looking age/size and then figures out a way to stay like eternally. Our bodies naturally change constantly.
55 is not old imo. More so middle aged. I don't consider people to be "old" until 65+ And imo "elderly" isn't until like 80. I guess it depends on the person as some age quicker than others, but as an example my dad's gf is 71 and she has such a youthfulness about her. She does Not even seem "old" to me. She's fit, active, happy and lively. I already felt this way about age, but meeting and getting to know her really drove this home for me. Anyway, I'm 36 and I do not consider you old in my book. Just saying. ❤😅
Another aspect of how easy it is for any fat celebrity to lose weight within a short period of time, is the fact that they can almost immediately get a new wardrobe for their new size. I remember when my wife lost a lot of weight before we had our son, and she struggled to find clothes she liked, because she didn't have time or the money to go shopping and replace everything. So for months she just wore baggy clothes that she no longer felt comfortable in. Then when she gained weight after our son was born it was the same process again but worse, because finding larger sizes is always much more difficult.
@@dominika3762 You still need time and money to buy in second hand shops...even more time, because it's harder to find something you like there. And when you find piece you like, it's just in one size, it's very unlikely for a piece to be twice in one second hand shop in different sizes... Not saying it's impossible, yes, you can save some money here and find very cool pieces, I also try to shop in second hands sometimes...but it's not that easy, you know.... Also most people hope to stay in one size and not have to have so much clothes
Remember our bodies are always going to fight to get back to thier neutral place and that looks different for all and changes with time and things like child birth, mental health, etc. Hopefully your wife kept her bigger clothes, and if she loses weight keeps them stored cause unless you're always highly restricting or on these meds for life the weight will return if it's not where your body needs to be
@dominika3762 Nothing above a size 22 in any 2nd hand shops in my country. Larger size people here tend to hoard several sizes of clothing and never donate them. In case they loose or gain weight.
Not me being not skinny enough during the size 0 craze in the 2000, being too skinny during the BBL era, and now being again too fat for the new 'trend'....thankfully I'm in my 30s now and I started to care less and less about what the trend is..and this is the advice I'd give anyone, just do you, don't listen to idiot tiktoks or celebrities trying to sell you things so they can go from millionaires to billionaires!
My favorite thing about getting older has definitely been the lack of f**ks about trends, be it fashion, makeup, or bodies. Finally, at 42, I feel some peace. Sure, it’d be cool to be the size 2 I briefly was in my late 20s, but I just dgaf about that stress anymore lol
Do you recognise that it isn't men telling you to be that size? It's women telling other women. How i know it's not men? Because there are many men who are into obese women and men who are into anorexic women. How i know it's women? They are the ones promoting it on social media, photos, ads, "I'm so obsessed with this" type of videos. Not a single man is telling all women "okay girls, it's 2024 now. Time to get ultra obese."
@@thegreenmanofnorwich this 100%. I'm 40, gained some weight over my 30s for various reasons, and despite this, I feel so much more comfortable with my body and how I look than I did when I was in the vicinity of any sort of "ideal" body shape. The way I see it, at my size and age, I'm never going to be whatever culture has decided is "hot" anyway, so I can just like whatever shape I am with no pressure.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich I came on here just to mention that being 40 sheds more fucks! I didn't really give a crap about celebrities for much of my adult life...Though, I've been watching a Sci Fi showfrom the early 00s (Farscape) and the very thin actresses wearing some of those low-rise bottoms with cropped top outfits is reminding me of the trauma I had in that time because I didn't look good in those "hot" outfits.
In past historical eras, you could create the desirable body shape with corsets and padding. Today, we diet, squat, cut and inject our way towards the ever shifting goalpost of what's considered 'trendy'. Fuck this, honestly.
It became acceptable for women to wear bikinis in public, and now there's no corsets or padding to hide behind 😂 Honestly though, back when everyone was talking about having a "hot girl summer", I was like nah sisters its a pandemic, who has energy for this? I decided to have a hairy feminist summer instead, and I'm never going back.
I think that "what is considered trendy" became much, much more broad and diverse than it was ever during the last 2 centuries, if not more than that. If you see just 1 type of what's trendy - exit your information bubble. Algorithms on social media and alike can shove you into one niche and dramatically skew your perception. Or just don't do social media, that's also an option.
@@roarbertbearatheon8565it was not, food access was way worse for 99% percent of people. Obesity has to do with quantity of food and the calorie content, not if its healthy
"It's her body, it's fine, she's allowed to take care of herself the way she wants to" only works in one direction when people get skinny. No one ever says that about gaining weight. It's so hypocritical.
I just realized: in the decade to come, we'll see a bunch of pop culture historians/commentators talk about how the 2010s was the "body positivity" decade, and how being bigger was in. But it was never really the mainstream, it was mostly in certain media and marketing outlets and in activist circles.
I don't think so, thankfully. The instant change that started the moment ozempic became available quickly showed very clearly that these people were never "feeling beautiful fat", "choosing being fat" and "loving their fat bodies" but simply coping with outcomes of their food addiction. When an easy way to quickly lose weight appeared, they instantly took it, as it was from the beginning a no-brainer option. But they denied it so long, and called people all kinds of epithets for saying it out loud. The fact is they always wanted to look good and fit, just didn't want to give up their addiction to calories and lazy lifestyle. Maybe it's for the better that it happened. It showed how much insidiousness can hide inside these "positive" social movements, and Ozempic exposed it 100%.
@@Ritff666l-e9e I don't think the majority of people ever internalized these views, instead, the views were promoted by activists and social media influencers, and filtered into major publications (fashion and women's magazines), marketing campaigns and fashion corporations, to the point where it LOOKED like the majority believed this. It's what you might call the "polite society" norms sorta camouflaging working class norms.
As women it seems there's no way to "win" at this game. If you're too fat, you'll get shamed. If you're too skinny, you'll get shamed. If you've got big boobs, you'll get shamed. If you have small boobs, you'll get shamed. If you're too athletic, you'll get shamed. If you're too waify, you'll get shamed. And the whole system is designed this way. Because they can't sell you shit to "improve" your appearance if you believe there's nothing wrong with how you look.
Only way to "win" is to not play the game. Just be you. Do the things that you enjoy and make you feel good about yourself. Dress and do your hair & makeup however you want. Eff the people who are too insecure and crowd-following to appreciate you.
I was chatting with my colleague about this today you can't even look at something like a shampoo online without being bombarded with adverts for "improving" your looks. I don't want to improve I just want shampoo that doesn't make my scalp itch. Because making my own from coconut oil,honey and garlic is hard work and stinky.
I saw someone on Instagram state that body positivity was never actually about accepting fat bodies, but allowing skinny and midsized people to feel ok with themselves if they had a belly roll when they scrunched. And after seeing the movement’s progression, I agree. Fatness never lost its immoral connotation in society. And we’re seeing the result of that with the Ozmepic trend. I’ve leaned more into the body neutrality lately so as not to focus so much on my body. I’m someone who Wegovy could have helped medically, but insurance won’t cover it and I can’t afford the generic.
I’m with you on body neutrality all the way. I could stand to lose some weight to improve my health, but I can’t afford to buy healthy ingredients or spend time at a gym, let alone a buy a drug.
The co-opting of body positivity is undoubtedly about making straight sized people feel better about themselves BUT The movement was originally created by fat black femmes, and then was hijacked by yt people for yt supremacy and capitalism
it was about accepting fat bodies.... in fat spaces. when it got more maindtream skinny people went "but us too!" and instead of being allies and feeling more okay with themselves as a result, they inserted themsleves as the face of the movement. see: every single comment section always have that one cunt going "well i get mad fun of for being too skinny" great we're being treated like dogshit, i literally cannot care anymore about what some bony bitch has to say on the matter.
There is no generic available to buy. It’s still under patent protection. I mean, there’s still a generic name for it, the product itself is still under patent.
I've had conversations with people who seem to only accept body positivity if it is about skinny women loving their "imperfections". I hope body neutrality is the middle ground that can teach society to allow everyone to respect and appreciate their own bodies without shame or explanation. Not to mention teach society to respect and honor all bodies.
8:15 Kardashians are a really bad example of "celebrities that used to be known for... promoting body shape that were not mainstream", they were literally promoting plastic surgery, including the extremely dangerous butt implants.
yes! the kardashians are celebutantes--famous only for being famous. the only assets they have are the ones they surgically alter. it's a very damaging example for girls and young women.
Slightly OT, but am I the only person who never liked the work they had done, the way they dressed, the way they do their makeup? Kim Kardashian's colorless house? I don't wish them ill, I just don't understand why people are into that.
@@StellaWaldvogel never liked them. l always thought that they look and behave cheap and distastefull. And with time they're getting worse (ruining Marilyn iconic dress, s*x tapes with Kim, then sheit with Kanye Kardashian-West).
they used to promote having very curvy bodies, BBLs, breast implants, tummy tucks very recently they are reported to have had surgeries to “lessen” their curves now and you can look up comparison pictures of them from 2018 to now and there is a noticeable difference in their breasts/butts so…. they are absolutely contributing to the skinny trend
I'm concerned about what the long term effects of the medication will be on those taking it for cosmetic weight loss. A friend of mine was on it for a while for her diabetes. She looked fit and healthy, but it messed up her appetite so badly that it was interfering with her ability to simply enjoy dinner with her family. Just the smell of food was nauseating and she never felt like eating or cooking. She found another way to treat the diabetes, and took a nutrition class to improve the quality of what she feeds herself and her family. The weight returned quickly along with food cravings, but she doesn't miss taking the medication at all.
Food aversion from meds can be such a tough thing! I have rheumatoid arthritis (and I’m also fat) and my first rheumatologist refused to consider changing my meds when they were causing such serious loss of appetite and food aversion I’d go an entire day without eating. She actually said “well, you should lose weight which is good.” I’m lucky I was able to find a new doctor who heard my concerns and helped me find a new medication. But I’ve been fat since I was a kid. I’ve done a lot of diets and exercise regimes, I’ve never been anything other than fat, the temptation to stay on that med which ruined my appetite and made me food averse was strong.
Last Winter I lost a fair amount of weight due to depression and ADHD. I have a history of losing weight under extreme stress and anxiety, so it has happened multiple times before. But this past Winter was particularly bad. I developed such an unhealthy relationship with food that it actually angered me to feel hungry. It felt like an exhausting chore to have to figure out 3 meals a day, to prepare the foods and clean up after whatever mess it made to prepare it, and I would get frustrated with my own body when it was ‘demanding’ food. My appetite was so small that when I tried to eat during the day, it would make me physically ill. My financial situation also worsened my relationship with food. I would ignore hunger pains because I didn’t even have it in me to deal with what my body needed, or I didn’t have food enticing enough to have the ambition to make it. I went from 125lbs at 5’3” to 115lbs. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE I knew was commenting on my weight… I couldn’t even look at myself in the mirror before a shower because I could see my ribs, hip bones and collar bones so prominently. My face was a bit sunken in and my skin was pale. I would cry and cry about my appearance while desperately trying to fix my eating habits and gain the weight back. As the summer approached, I still wasn’t gaining enough weight no matter how hard I tried. Wearing a bathing suit was horrifying to me because I was afraid of my friends and family, or even strangers, looking at me sideways or asking questions. “You need to eat more” “Why are you so thin??” “What’s up with you being so skinny, I can see your ribs and everything..” “You look much thinner since I last saw you” These comments would break my heart every time. I hated the fact that I neglected my body so much in the midst of depression that it became an enormous insecurity. I couldn’t help but feel like people assumed so many horrible and blatantly incorrect reasons as to why I lost weight. Seeing celebrities all over the tv looking the way I did a handful of months ago, was even more confusing and hurtful because I would see all of the public scrutiny for how they looked. You never know what someone is going through, do not comment on people’s appearance and weight. If you’re close enough to that person, pull them aside PRIVATELY and respectfully to express your concern and figure out what exactly is going on. And for anyone going through something similar, just take baby steps to improve. Give your body the nourishment it needs, no matter how small the portion is or at what time of the day. You will overcome the darkness you’re experiencing and you are not alone in your suffering. Stay strong 🤍
@mariahlamb2983 Try making a day of it with big batch cooking and freeze it in single portions. I eat once a day at night. I am told that's not healthy, but at least I'm eating. The idea of eating during the day is a complete turn off.
When I went through a bad period with struggling to eat due to anxiety, yogurt and trail mix helped me a lot. A good source of protein and very little clean up
Please, *please,* *_PLEASE,_* if you or a loved one are taking or thinking about taking this drug PLEASE, watch their mental health _very_ closely! I almost lost a friend to this drug. Thank gawd her doctor caught on & stopped her treatment properly. BUT, _we_ didn't know this could happen. She was struggling horribly & ignoring those symptoms just to stay on the drug!? Almost like, she didn't want to believe it? Simply because it worked for so many others, "Why not me?" 😢 Plus, UA-camr's Jamie French & Celina SpookyBoo have had extremely serious mental health issues that forced them to stop this drug. Be safe, life is too short.❤❤
The side effects are NO JOKE. For one person I know, the drug resulted in constant nausea and hair loss. In that case, I just don't understand how taking this drug specifically FOR WEIGHT LOSS actually creates a net improvement in your life. Let alone the kind of crippling mental health effects you're talking about. BTW I had the same nausea-and-hair-loss reaction to migraine drug Emgality, which is a peptide antagonist. So if any of your drugs is a peptide agonist or antagonist, take a PARTICULARLY close look at potential side effects.
I'm so glad you mentioned this. I was going to comment about Celina too! It's so shocking that this drug is pushed at the moment with no mental health warnings!
@@katzea.a7880 Sure. Things started out great for like the 1st week. She list 6 lbs & felt fine. A little over a week in & her sleep was "off", she said she kept waking up for no good reason. Than, she started getting mild anxiety randomly throughout the day. And things just got worse & worse. She thought that maybe it was coffee or her laundry soap. Changed those nothing changed. Then, she stopped losing weight completely. So, she went to her doctor, didn't say a word about her symptoms, they increased her dose. She lost another 14lbs over 2 weeks. Her sleep got really bad & that's when she started having thoughts of wanting to die! She finally broken down & talked to her husband (the guy that loves her no matter what) & this shyt scared tf outta him. He begged her to stop & to go to her doctor about everything. So very thankful that he did! The doctor basically said, "Nope, this isn't right for you. Let's get you off of it & back to normal". Immediately started to wean her off of that crap. Never again!! 🤞🏻
I tend to lose weight when my health gets bad. ( both from low appetite and loss of muscle) I always get compliments about how good I look during these lows, which really drives home how much about size it is. Becouse I look sick! My skin is grey, and my hair is dry, my eyes are dull and have gunk in them. Normally, I'm what most people would consider skinny anyway. These complements come when I look underweight. Our society's idea of what is healthy is so warped.
The way people feel comfortable commenting on other people's weight is baffling. As if merely perceiving your body gives them the right to say whatever idiotic thing their brain cooked up.
I've read way too many medical neglect stories where doctors tell women to be thankful for whatever is making them lose weight instead of diagnosing them.
Have you actually weighed yourself in one of those times? Are you actually underweight or do you just assume that's the case. Because there's a difference between assuming you are underweight and you actually being at an unhealthy weight.
You literally can't change your genetics every 5 years to match the fashionable boob size,silhouette, lip shape etc,but that is what fashion demands of us. No wonder everyone is so miserable.
Yes, we should all have steady idea of what constitutes beautiful body - that of Myron Discobolus. And we all know deep down that what we need is not thin body, or fat body, but strong body, body of someone who can run 40 km, who can lift 100 kg, who can jump high, who can throw things Far away. Decathlon sportsmen and sportswomen should became THE idea for eternity.
I'm a fat person with fibromyalgia & an ED, so it's hard for to exercise enough to lose weight. I've been disappointed to see that the body positivity movement has sometimes been exclusively supporting an appreciation of larger bodies, & been critical of midsized or slimmer people playing different roles, or representing characters in cosplays, etc. Natural bodies are diverse, & we should all be able to feel comfortable however we appear, & with whatever we're going through in life. It's hard enough without judgement from people who barely know you.
It's impossible to just exercise enough to lose weight. Cyclists, pro or just sorta nuts for a hobby, can average 200 miles on a bike per week and still continue existence, because you can fuel whatever effort your body is capable of
I went carnivore to try and get rid of my rosacea without having to take the antibiotics my doctor was pushing on me, and my fibromyalgia disappeared within the first 2 weeks. My Rosacea is not 100% gone yet, but it's much more manageable now. The real surprise is that I am now completely pain free and feeling better than ever. I haven't been sick in over a year, either. My immune system actually works. Please give it a try. What have you got to lose?
Thank you for talking about this. My endocrinologist put me on Ozempic before it was trending like crazy. They focus on the weight loss, but they don't emphasize how much it trashes your digestive system. That's what it does. It shows down the natural process of your bowels so you don't feel hungry. It took me months to recover after quitting it. The end goal might be worth it to some, but for me the damage isn't worth it.
quite honestly body neutrality seems like a much less exhausting movement, i don't want to have to think about my body in a negative or positive way most days tbh
someone smart said: poor people have to learn to accept their insecurities, rich people can pay to not have them. I'm not saying rich people can't be insecure, but hell, money and free time surely do help with being able to get rid of them. too bad that in this case it's also putting people with diabetes in danger
I think it's healthier to learn to deal with insecurity in a healthy way than paying for them to go away. If nothing else, age catches up to us all and we all die. Money will always have its limits.
My body is working against me with a metabolic disorder. I had gestational diabetes, and I'm working on getting insurance to cover my meds. This would help reverse my fatty liver and prediabetes post partum. But because so many people are taking it for just weight, it's making people with issues who need the drugs have to jump through hoops to get it.
Maybe you could consider looking into Carnivore. It has the same effect (literally) - with added benefits of actual nutrition. Is fast acting, doesn't require permission, can be done on a budget. Some carnivire friendly medical practitioners are Dr Ben Bikman Phd. Dr Chaffee (Nuerosurgeon) - many long form interviews here on YT. Wishing you all the best with resolving your ptoblem. Health is the most imlortant thing ❤
I feel this. I am type 2 diabetic and my physician wants me on this, but because of the alternative usage, its so hard to get it- and its gotten SO pricey that I just-- can't. So instead, my doctor has me on a combo of other pills that come with a plethora of unpleasant side effects.
In Massachusetts, if your kids are on Medicaid you get Medicaid too. If it's still like that, it might be worth relocating. The rents are super high but if you get on housing it's doable.
The brutal truth is most people don't want to be fat. It's physically uncomfortable and covers your muscles and true definition. Same gto with being too thin
Unrelated but related. I went to an onsen (public bath house - split by male/female) in Japan recently. What I took away from the experience of being around other women of all ages is that EVERYBODY LOOKS LIKE ME! Nobody has celebrity hourglass bodies - maybe like 2% of the population does. Everybody else just looks like me! I knew logically, but I didn't "know" until then - that social media and celebrity culture are damaging to body image. Honestly something in me healed, if we all just had the reality check of going to an onsen every month I feel like we'd be so much more resistant to body image issues.
I think you did a great job of describing the tension between not wanting to judge individual celebrities for their personal body decisions but still wanting to have an open conversation about how women's bodies are expected to conform to fashion trends and the effect of money on people's ability to achieve that fad body (you get popular for representing a marginalized body type->you get rich->you can now afford the fad body). I remember reading an article a few years ago discussing whether body positivity would survive the return of 90s fashion (which was super obsessed with the ultra thin heroin aesthetic). I definitely see more plus size models in commercials and the media then in the 90s but it does seem like Ozempic has further derailed the movement.
bottom line: if you're a woman in the public eye, you will be criticized for how you look no matter what you do. fat = criticized. thin = criticized. thin to fat = criticized. fat to thin = criticized. it doesn't matter! so let's all just not give a rip and take care of ourselves and our bodies how WE see fit!
This is exactly the case. My mum told me about a woman in a support group who had an abusive husband, who would constantly criticise her weight. It was a while ago she told me, so it might've been the other way round, but basically she was plus size, most likely not even that, but he shamed her, told her she was too fat and to lose weight. So she started losing weight. He then started shaming her for being too skinny. This was her wake up call, and so she told him "there must have been a point where I was just right. Why didn't you tell me?" And he blew up at her. She got out luckily, and that story is what cemented it for me that women will *always* be criticized for their body's, no matter what part of the spectrum they fall on.
There’s one thing that I’ve noticed a lot about this *new trend* is that is not only about weight, it’s heavily linked to *youth*. Hollywood doesn’t allow women to age, and what is a very common thread along actresses or musicians? They were smaller when they were younger, so by losing weight you can also comeback to be that woman you were before. To sort of stayed petrified on time. It’s honestly so sad😢
I am with everyone in the comments promoting body neutrality. Bodies are weird, constantly changing bags of flesh. We shouldn't place our own worth or that of others on whatever crazy shit that flesh bag is doing that day. The body positivity movement felt like an overcorrection for the thin obsession. We don't need everyone to be beautiful, just for people to realize that physical appearances do not define the value of a life.
"everyone is entitled to their dream body" sounds like a tagline for a dystopia where rich people buy poor people's bodies to put their consciousness in. we don't get to pick our bodies, even if you have the resources to choose your weight. idk, the whole body positivity thing isn't just about fatphobic imo, it's about pretty privilege and disability too, and honestly all sorts of bigotry that make people ashamed of who they are. personally if i were entitled to my dream body, i'd get one without chronic pain 100%.
The things is, why is there such a thing as a "dream body" in the first place, and revolving around aesthetics? As you said: a dream body is a functional one, without defects and pain. Thankfully most of us get it. Apart from that, we shouldn't be wishing for anything else "body wise" 💀
@@auricia201 i mostly agree, there's so much social pressure and history that creates these "dreams." (and most of us have functional bodies, until we don't.) I think expressive changes like dyed hair, tattoos, piercings are a bit different from dream of meeting a body standard; similarly, I think transgender relationships to dreaming of a different body are very different than what we're looking at here. But all are affected by societal pressures and the meaning ascribed to bodies that are just bodies. And hair removal is an interesting one that can be very much about meeting societal standards for bodies and gender performance, but can also affect physical comfort and things like speed swimming. I like body neutrality personally because I'm not going to love the pain. But it's my body, it is what it is, I don't want to be ashamed of it either.
@@ArtichokeHunter honestly, I never felt the need to use terms like body positivity or neutrality, and the more I know about the issue, the less inclined I feel to use those terms. Because everyone has a different concept of it, so what's the purpose of a word if it has different meanings to different people? 🤷🏻♀️ It just least to misunderstandings. Conversations like this, where each one says what they actually think and why, are much more useful. I do agree that things like dyeing hair and hair removal, and even make up are a whole different issue. We are not actually changing our body and the way it functions. And we can never be completely apart from societies' expectations, because, well, we are the society, and that's how culture works, we absorb what is around us, and that's okay, as long as it's not something actively harmful, or not harmful but done with the wrong mindset
😥I too have noticed that many fashion accounts have dropped larger sizes and stopped or limited including larger models in their campaigns, dropped them like a hot potato...inclusivity seems to have been a "trend" they were glad to be rid of
in general I'm seeing a worrying trend of corporate progressive messaging getting walked back. I know that corporate validation shouldn't be a goal, but it seems like they're predicting a pretty aggressive cultural shift to the right in the near future which is... concerning
To be fair, many indie brands I follow have also stated that it's been harder and harder to find ethical manufacturers who do plus sizes well, or even at all. Two different brands I loved shut down over the past few years mostly due to costs, but also partially because they were having trouble maintaining a consistent, high-quality plus sized line the way they'd intended.
Semiglutides have so many pretty scary side effects that too many people aren't really being adequately informed about. Taking it long term (10+ years) has not been studied. It reminds me of the 90s when fen-phen was being pushed everywhere and that turned out bad.
Absolutely. All I'm thinking is they're fucking their bodies up to ways they won't even comprehend. Losing so much weight in such a short amount of time, taking a medication that suppresses your appetite, overworking/or underworking your pancreas and liver, and going your body go through metabolic hell just to fit in a met gala dress is dangerous. I'm not even mad that these celebs want to be skinny, like alright, just do whatever, I don't care. But promoting the message of extreme and rapid weight loss similar to what extreme treatments like chemotherapy can cause just for aesthetic value is a horrible message to give to society.
@@allthatsheiz it wasn't even made into a drug until 2012. It wasn't until 2017 when it was approved for diabetics. Perhaps you are thinking about 1990 when the glp 1 enzyme was isolated from gila monster venom. It took many more years to create something to mimic the effects of the venom.
My philosophy is: make the best of what you’ve got. Wear clothes that make you feel your best. Eat foods that make you feel great. Get in exercise that you love. If you really want to follow trends, use makeup, not surgery. A lot of these things have health effects that we haven’t fully uncovered yet because normal, healthy people were never studied. Prioritize your health, prioritize your well being so you’ll have mobility and quality of life into your old age. Be around people who love and appreciate you for who you are, and be the kind of person who can reciprocate that. Go for your dreams so you don’t have regrets in life, and let that inspire and propel you forward. And those things will give you a glow, they’ll give you an inner peace, a confidence, a deep sense of internal safety, that will support your health and your beauty and your longevity.
I'm so exhausted from this. Just treat people with respect...regardless of size, regardless of choices, regardless of habits. Why is that so difficult? If you don't know someone, don't talk to them or about their body (even if you do know them, its probably still not your business). The end.
Yes!!! Obesity isn’t a moral issue. Whether genetics caused obesity or donuts caused obesity, it doesn’t matter for anyone else. You’re not hurting anyone else by being a larger person.
@@laurenconrad1799 Are wealthy people not harming anyone by excessively consuming whatever they want? I hope you don't think they have any moral issues. But no, we live in a society. Overconsumption of our limited resources, burdening our healthcare and welfare systems... is harmful.
@@laurenconrad1799well you can have the same excuse for anorexia. But there are plenty of girls looking at Eugenia Coonie, and want to look the same. Everything you do is affecting other people. There’s no such as thing as “as long as I’m not harming anyone” you live in a society. Where people learn from each other, especially the children and the youth, are like sponges.
@@laurenconrad1799That’s really this issue. People are pussies regarding people they don’t find attractive living their lives without caring. Whether it be weight, height, personal style, race, etc. Like “how dare you not care I find you ugly?”
Nah we can’t because we’re “lying” if we do 😂 we can’t even wear a bra without being told we’re “misleading” men. It’s all about men, don’t forget, we exist for them (heavy fucking sarcasm).
@llamasugar5478 nah let's put on a sack apply some nice lipstick and call it a day. Marilyn Monroe looked pretty cute in her version of the potato sack trend 😁
This summer a friend told me her mum got prescribed Ozempic because she was worried that she started gaining a little weight after menopause (btw she was quite underweight before menopause and just a little less skinny after)... I'm Czech, I thought it was an American thing. But no. She got full insurance cover for a weightloss drug not to fight obesity but to stay underweight. I give up.
That’s horrifying. It shouldn’t have even been prescribed, like, my boyfriend and niece have both been shamed by health professionals for being underweight, and also shamed by people who aren’t health professionals for eating too much food. They’re both fine but I really hope that there was some actual indicator like diabetes and she didn’t trick the system somehow to get it.
That honestly doesn’t surprise me. I had basically an opposite experience, I was naturally thin (I wasn’t allowed to donate blood because of it) when I suddenly lost a lot of weight due to illness. I tried everything I could think of to gain weight and just couldn’t so eventually I went to my Dr. I was told to eat “healthy fats” and reduce my caffeine intake… I was already doing way more than that. I needed actual help and they wouldn’t give it to me, if they wouldn’t help someone like me gain weight I don’t know who they’d be willing to help 😢 The worst part was that about 1/3 of the people I spoke to complimented my weight loss. I could’ve died and I looked like it but I was constantly being told that I looked so “healthy”
17:33 yes!! This feels like a follow up to your video awhile ago, and it was so inspiring bc it was like yeah these trends just keep changing! For profit!
- Obesity is a chronic illness. Diabetes as well. - Losing weight is very hard to achieve and avoid getting the weight lost back is even harder because on a diet you lose more muscles than fat (most of the time). - Whether we talk about dieting, using ozempic or get surgery : it's medical not esthetical. If you do it for your looks, let me tell you that you are not ready for the side-effects and consequences. - I had to choose between two bad choices for myself, finding the least bad was my goal. It was either I remained fat and was sick, infertile and discriminate OR mutilate myself and face exhaustion, deficiency, drastic changes and a lifelong treatment (quite expensive but less expensive than for a diabetes or cancer or damaged knees/back). - People using ozempic are facing intense side-effects, let me tell you. The only thing is : take care of yourself, choose wisely and your decision is only up to you. Don't let anyone tell you what is best for you, don't look up on others, it's their decision but you can choose otherwise because, again, obesity is a chronic illness, eating disorders are a big deal to understand, to fix and to prevent and finally, we are talking about health (but also about potential death). Celebrities are more in trouble than we are, their way of living should not be taken as something to follow. We don't know what is going on and they can't tell people "Mind you business" or truly believe that their appearance isn't crucial not to say vital for them.
I'm also pregnant (2nd time) and watching everyone around me go through rapid weight loss while I gain is crazy. I know I have to gain weight for the baby to be healthy but ugh. Just wanted to send you some love because it's kind of a weird "trend" to watch while pregnant.
Fuck those who are pressuring you to do that. Being pregnant is a weird and formidable feat of the body. Timing its return to pre-pregnancy state after having a baby is foolish, it is biology not magic. You can't force your adipous cells to die instantly and your body muscles to rearrange themselves on a schedule based on body fashion… You'll have 2 whole people to care about : your baby and yourself.
Two time Mama here. It takes about two years to start feeling normal again. Your kid becomes the perfect workout partner because they keep gaining weight and give you more resistance training haha. My second is 2 1/2 and that wild boy loves to be picked up and used as a weight. Walking, eating enough protein and trying to get enough sleep is all good stuff postpartum. What an exciting time in your life! I wish I could shrink my boys back down and do the newborn phase again. They are so precious. Every phase is good though.
@@r.u.entertained1849it means she has two different diseases that make it difficult for her to lose weight, and thus has a legitimate reason to use Ozempic, which you could have learned through a Google search if you weren’t lazy
@r.u.entertained1849 Both PCOS and endometriosis heavily affect a woman's ability to maintain a healthy weight. The hormonal imbalance is also part of it.
I also have PCOS and I am so so tired of it.Tired of not being able to get the cloths that look nice because it's not in my size, tired of trying every weightloss suggestion under the sun, ect. I don't want to be skinny by any means, I just want to tone back a bit to how I was before the pandemic. Though I do not condone the people using it specifically for cosmetic appeal.
@@r.u.entertained1849 if you are referring to what ‘a healthy weight’ really means: fat is endocrinologically active tissue, and having a large amount of fatty tissue can strongly influence diseases like PCOS. A healthy weight might vary a bit between individuals, but generally means endocrinologically balanced, and at level where weight doesn’t impede physical capabilities
I feel like body positivity ended up becoming a type of toxic positivity. Because people who do lose weight end up getting shamed for it like "you were supposed to stay fat for the rest of us!" The message of body positivity should simply be that whatever weight you are at, it's okay to still love yourself. It's also OK to *want* to change. The biggest issue in our culture is the shaming of women (and men too) for being fat. You shouldnt have to hate yourself because of your weight. But, it's also okay to want to change since obesity does increase many health risks and a lower body weight can bring about more confidence in one's appearance. Body positivity should simply be about reducing the shame people feel about their bodies, not turning people into "traitors" for losing weight.
Thank you, my thoughts exactly. I feel like the "body positivity movement" doesn't really acknowledge the several risks that are involved with being massively overweight to the detriment of your own health. It's not fatphobic to speak out about certain issues that go hand in hand with obesity, idk. It always kinda rubbed me the wrong way, even back when I was only slightly above what could be called "average weight" for my size and age. Like, why do we have to be so hard on people trying or wanting to actively lose weight?
Body positivity wasn’t originally about weight, it was about things you couldn’t change about yourself. Like disabilities, deformities, scars. But early on it was taken over by plus size women and they became the forefront of the movement. Then it just got real crazy from there. Plus size people obviously have the right to feel body confident, there’s no debate there, but they should’ve never been the face of the movement bc you can change your weight. Whether on purpose or not, healthy or not, it can change. While there’s no drug that can cure an amputation, there’s no exercise plan that’ll get rid of scars, there’s no diet that’ll grow extra fingers. There is no “fix” to those things like there is when it comes to weight. And the focus was still on beauty which was also its downfall. Not everyone is beautiful and that’s okay, that’s not the most important thing about them. Trying to gaslight people into toxic positivity was only ever going to end badly
@sleepygrle6738 no body positivity always included weight & a lot of people are "obese" because of disability. There are some risks with obesity but the risks are frequently to do with co occurring issues like being sedentary or eating less balanced meals. You can be fat and healthy if you are active & eat well, its not fatness itself but the other things that can go with it. Its about there being no moral value to your body
@@sleepygrle6738 "it was taken over by plus size women" and "then it just got real crazy" is enough to indicate how you really feel here... the body positivity movement has always been about "plus size women". see the fat acceptance movement of the 1960s(tied closely to 2nd wave feminism), and even further, Victorian dress reformists(first wave). these movements center women's bodies and their size and shape.
I think something to remember also is that fatphobia isnt just mean comments- its systemic. Its medical bias, its job discrimination, its seats too small & safety equipment not made for you and this all ties in with racism, sexism, and classism- who is associated with fatness, who is allowed to be fat and who isn't, who has access to the time, energy, and money to have a healthy lifestyle? I can't blame anyone for opting out of that, especially as a celebrity where your appearance is currency but it doesn't solve the underlying problems. Body positivity doesn't really either, it can help someone accept themselves and have an improved well-being but its more focused on an individual attitude "you look great girl, love yourself" rather than making changes to the institutions. One thing that it did change which was helpful was representation, we actuslly see a variety of body types in ads, tv, movies, etc and plus size clothing has improved. I think the underlying issues need to be addressed or weight will continue to be a stand in for judging peoples class and morality rather than just how they exist in space.
beyond its necessity as a diabetes medication, as a fat person i'm so sad to watch the body positivity movement die. it has its issues, mainly a lot of pushing being "hot", but leaving behind the heroin chic look of the 2000's was such a huge step in unlearning fatphobia. i'm so tired of society viewing me as worthless lol also: watching these celebrities & influencers lose a crazy amount of weight in a short amount of time is giving actual diabetic people standards that won't be achieved. my mom has been on a similar med for almost 2 years and she's lost maybe 15 lbs. because it works differently on people who actually need it to balance their sugar levels!!
Mainly the reason diabetes don't lose weight is because of the dose. The diabetic does is a small dose and the weight loss dose is double or triple that amount. If your mom needs to lose weight for health reasons, her doctor can prescribe her higher doses
See this is exactly the reason it's dying, you're so desperate to exclude skinny people because their existence or them being perceived as attractive makes you insecure. There are many people who are naturally skinny or """""heroin chic"""""". No one will ever find gluttony attractive, glas that people are being honest again, but remember they always thought the same even throughout the body ""positivity""" movement
@@VolzotranI’m ngl I feel for Poles or just most Eastern Europe if I can speak for others here in terms of tragic backstories like this is a literal famine driven Velen side quest of an origin story bro who’s mom wrote all this 😭😭
@@VolzotranOh screw off. Can we stop treating skinny shaming like it’s equal to fat phobia? That’s like the most privileged person in the world thinking their problems are equal to that of a poor person. Or a white person complaining about spice jokes while black people get shot by police being stopped at a red light. Fat phobia makes doctors overlook and mistreat patients and them dying. There’s an actual risk in fat phobia.
It wouldnt be dying if people in the movement werent feeding into the 400 pound lifestyle constantly and attacking anyone who thought differently (tess holiday for example 😬)
I don't think it will ever be applicable to the entertainment industry (sadly) but that's exactly the reason why body neutrality seems like a much more balanced alternative - then again, with the current 'trends' it's hard to imagine that taking off any more than it already has. Great video!
I am excited to hear Karolina’s take on this. Ozempic has been a life-saver for me in a very literal sense because I was unable to lose weight on my own due to a combination of genetics and antidepressants permanently changing my metabolism. So I think it’s really important to remember that it can be hugely helpful for people who genuinely can benefit from it for their health. ❤
I'm on the same boat with medications, since i started taking various neuroleptics my body changed drasticaly, and I'm struggling to fight the side effects of those drugs and get my balance back. I was taking ozempic for some time but it didn't work for me, the price is too high, availability too low (people must go to another cities to get this or even to another country cause it's unavailable) and the side effects were too serious for me to continue. I hate when people are like "ozempic is cheating and cutting corners", no it isn't. Fist of all obesity is a medical condition and ozempic (and similar stuff) is a medicine, second the side effects are realy awful for many people, so it's not just taking a shot and going on with your day. It's still a fight, fight for your health, and still once you stop taking the drug you can gain weight again, so it still requires a lot of work to stay on your track.
no worries if not, but do you have any more info on antidepressants changing metabolism? i've been on some kind of antidepressants for ~11 years now and have trouble losing weight, but everyone i've spoken to including doctors acts like it's basically just a willpower problem.
Googling "antidepressants metabolism" brings up a lot of sites saying that weight gain is a symptom of a lot of antidepressants. Apparently it is unknown exactly why they lead to weight gain, some cases are likely people who didn't eat much when depressed being able to eat again while one theory for others is that the effect on serotonin might slow down metabolism and/or cause a craving for carbohydrates. Apparently some antidepressants tend to cause more weight gain than others, and some are associated with weight loss. If you search "medical news today 319527" (the number seems to be the article number, can't post links in UA-cam comments) you'll find the article that lists them Sorry if this comment is hard to understand, words are hard
What I don't understand is how people can get access to certain medication without a doctor's prescription. I live in Spain and maybe it's because I'm used to our system, but a pharmacy can't give medication without a recipe.
The easy answer is for people to get off social media like Instagram. Literally don't care what others are doing, just look after yourself the best you can.
Well that depends on what you're feeding Instagram yourself. My own is filled with whimsical paintings, rescue animals, crochet tutorials and colorful fashion for bigger people…
Around the time Adele got thinner she was going through a really rough divorce and you could see her body slowly changing as more and more news outlets starting covering it. I feel like a combination of the stress of not signing a prenup, having to negotiate a fair split of her money, and figuring out the custody situation with her child along with being in the public eye was possibly a factor in her weight loss. I am the type to have no appetite when I'm upset or super stressed out to the point of significant changes to my figure so that's my personal theory. I completely agree that the changes we saw in stars like the Kardashians have pushed this forward. Once people openly started talking about their Ozempic use when they weren't diabetic or obese to begin with I knew we were cooked.
She did speak out about it around the time her divorce was finalized and she said she was spending crazy amounts of time in the gym because it helped stave off panic attacks.
She also said she did not have the energy to chase her child around when playing with him and she didn't feel healthy anymore. No better reason to focus on health/weight loss.
Oh please. Have you seen her magic diet smoothie that she was claiming helped her lose weight? (It’s totally unsustainable and she would have relapsed instantly if she was actually doing what she was doing) No offense, but she totally was on ozempic, it was still very taboo at that time, so makes sense she would try to cover it up by making up these ridiculous stories about green smoothies, stress and hours in the gym.
It's both: hilarious and sad that we live in a time where every celebrity that gets thinner is automatically assumed to be using Ozempic. The wide public is largely psychos.
I always love the way you talk about issues like this, Karolina. You're obviously super careful about your terms and research well so you know what you are talking about, but at the same time you're not afraid to be realistic because you know these subjects are important and frankness is crucial for understanding. And this is coming from someone who has been overweight all my life and, like you said, has tried and tried to change with healthy methods like dieting and exercise and lifestyle changes, but my genetics are not conducive to the kind of weight loss that gives me that celebrity body. I'm as healthy and hydrated as I've ever been and medically I'm (thankfully) doing great, but BMI tells me that I am obese. It's a scary thing to know that, for me, if I had money like these celebrities, I would absolutely be on ozempic if I thought it would work, at least until the side effects make me second-guess that decision. I'm afraid about where body expectations are headed. I don't want to go back to the early 2000's when I was severely bullied for being fat, and I don't have the genetics or the money to meet those expectations.
I think the trick is to stop imaging womens bodies as seperate from the woman and their personhood. I think if the public was forced to treat women as actual people, and idols are real people not just characters from stories we'd see a very different reaction to their changes. Also theres a huge amount of body shaming and issues in teh gay community my freind talks about what its like for him to be a fat gay guy with me sometimes and its crazy how mean people in the clubs can be to him.
Considering the costs of the drug, class is another factor at play here. Not much different to plastic surgery, only rich people can afford to achieve society's ideal beauty standard.
100%. As soon as Ozempic gets it’s patent taken away and a cheaper generic becomes available for the average person, being skinny will be “out of trend”. It’s what happened with BBL’s… As soon as it became something a lot of average people have access too, it loses it’s exclusivity and therefore it’s value in society🙄
I was on that stuff for about three months and the side effects were not good. Not to go into too much detail but I basically stopped digesting things and it got to the point where I wasn't eating. So, medical aside - yeah it worked to make me loose weight but it also really messed things up. Now, on the sociological side every time I go to the doctor they try to push me back on the stuff and I get a lecture about the negative effects of my weight and how I need to loose more immediately. Even though it says right on my chart that I'm dropping about 10lbs a month on my own through diet and exercise.
2:38 "No matter how hard they try" is BS. Some people are naturally more prone to retain weight, but with enough trying hard, it's absolutely possible. I never said easy, but impossible is bs.
I don't think losing weight should be considered copping out of the "body positivity" movement. *Body Positivity* should include ALL body types. True body positivity should include changes to women's bodies like when they decide to lose weight.. because if "body positivity" actually meant what it's called then that shouldn't be an issue or ever percieved as a "cop out." 9:08 I absolutely agree with loving your body even if you are overweight. I am overweight myself and hating myself for it has gotten me nowhere. However, I've always felt it should be more about loving your body *while* at least attempting to get to a healthier weight. This doesn't mean you need to be super skinny or have a perfect body, but it also *shouldn't* mean promoting an unhealthy lifestyle and obesity, which I see a Lot of people doing. 10:19 These more overweight celebrities can advocate for being bigger women in media And still get healthier at the same time. Love the skin you're in no matter your size, but if you choose to want to make a change towards a healthier lifestyle and slim down that should be okay too. I also agree it's wrong for celebrities to lie about how they lost the weight if that means giving false hope to their fans or whoever watching and especially selling some b.s. weight-loss product that they didn't even use themselves to achieve their new body.
Ozempic/semagluride is an appetite suppressant. If you dont naturally change your metabolism then once you stop injecting the drug your appetite will come back.
Ozempic does A LOT more than just suppress appetite. And "naturally" changing your metabolism is easier said than done, and making significant long term metabolic changes can be impossible for some people. But your point is still important, because like Karolina said, ozempic is a lifetime drug. Once you're off it, the changes it makes to your body disappear as well. A lot of people might rethink their options once they understand that. For others, needing to take it forever is really not an issue.
@@suchnothing changing your metabolism is really hard but not impossible. I was an anorexic binge eater who had to change my metabolism to be healthy. It took alot of dedication but its worth it if you can do it naturally.
I saw 'the substance' just yesterday and today this video showed up, I'm so in trend. I just wish we could achieve a chill trend for once lol. Like idk, feeling good with our bodies and our clothes and stuff without having to feel awful for it. Its so crazy.
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Feeling good about our bodies does not generate profit 🫠
One thing they won't ever turn into a product is self-confidence and self-steem. They know that if people reach this level of happiness, they won't be making a penny. They want us insecure.
Body positivity means accepting yourself and not getting angry or hateful towards your body based off of its size. It doesnt mean you can't want to change, or be healthier. U can feel positivity towards ur body and try to look 'better' whatever that means for you, u just dont hurt yourself in the process
I think the important thing about this conversation that you touched on is the micro vs macro view. On an individual level people can do whatever makes them happy or healthy or whatever. But on a societal level, there are patterns and trends that come out of these micro decisions reflect greater societal attitudes that are concerns and unhealthy
Controversial statement: you don’t owe the world conventional beauty, health, or whatever god knows else, to feel good about yourself and love yourself and your body. I’ve been chronically ill and slightly chubby since the age of 5 and Ill be damned if anyone tries to make me hate myself and feel like I should be envious of someone else because they’re thin or whatever. I’m a goddamn hot cake and if anyone has a problem with that they can sit on a pinecone. The world doesn’t determine my value and beauty.
Body positivity has never been totally achievable for me, even when I was in a larger body than now. Having a genetic joint condition that affects all my joints has made me physically disabled to a detrimental extent, with significant impact beginning in my early 20s. It's changed the course of my life in negative ways I'm still coping with, and it's like a cage many days of the year. Body neutrality has been the best approach for me. Like, "this body of mine exists, whatever, sure." I do appreciate the practice of body positivity, as it generally is a beautiful, warm way to look at the world. It helps so many people! But the dynamics of the ozempic/body positivity combo is truely a fascinating one. I'm curious what the landscape of it will look like in 20 years.
Sorry to ask, but do you have EDS? Because same, and the number of times I’ve had “concerned” people who know nothing about the condition suggest that I lose weight (despite the numerous accounts of EDS symptoms becoming worse post-weight loss) is astounding.
Once Y2K styles started coming back I knew any progress we had made towards fat neutrality was going to be lost. Being fat back then was a nightmare and I'm so angry that another generation is being subjected to "nothing taste as good as skinny feels" and glamorizing thinness over actual well being.
As a type 1 diabetic I'm angry for every type 2 diabetic who suffers because they can't get their needed medications, because of people who don't need it buy it for superficial reasons. 😠
oohhhh I have so many thoughts about this considering I survived having multiple eating disorders......I'm fat now but I am much healthier than when I was sick. I feel uncomfortable in my body 24/7 because of ADHD and body dysmorphia but it's better than being a prisoiner to eating disorders. Mostly I want to say that I think it is crazy that the Kardashians for example, defined an entire "trendy body type" in 2016 with curvy bodies and BBL and now they can choose the new "IT" body by being on weight loss drugs. Imagine the scrutiny you are under and power you hold to be able to change the way people feel about themselves and make a body trendy. I hate it.
All we can expect is to find our own equilibrium. imo it's more important to be comfortable in your own head than your own body. It seems we must always have an overarching social power structure that forces us to conform. Once it was the catholic church, now it's our media aristocracy.
Even with just the comments here, you can see this is a VERY polarizing situation (and all these things people are saying in the comments and elsewhere have been in my own head for a long time). I have a chromosome disorder and one part of that is that it makes weight difficult to manage and it’s caused hypothyroidism and I have to take hormone medications. All that has added against me without even mentioning genetics. Im not diabetic, nor have I had bad bloodwork but weight has always been a concern. ALWAYS. As soon as ozempic was out I was told about it and offered it and it terrified me. I’m still not 100% sure why my gut reaction was to find it disturbing. Multiple medical professionals have recommended it and I feel backed into a corner a bit. I feel like medical professionals shouldn’t just think “obese patient+ ozempic=problem solved” as it’s not really that simple. Weight is insanely multifaceted and many many things factor into weight. It’s helped lots of people which is great but it’s harmed people too and not helped people like me who’ve been told my whole life by doctors that I NEED to lose weight.
I 100% understand that gut reaction. I think it’s because so many terrible diet pills have been sold that it’s strange to see a weight loss medication that genuinely helps many people.
Your gut reaction was right. Quite a few people are developing gastroparesis (stomach paralysis!) from ozempic. I have a mild case from viral infection and it's still hell. Cause you wanna know what's not healthy? Cutting out most fruits, vegetables and nuts from your diet. It's common to develop GERD as a result too. It's slowly destroying my teeth and stomach lining. There's a lot more but it's just not a condition you want. Wether or not its temporary (some say it is, some not), it won't promote a healthy lifestyle. And put you in a lot of pain.
Thyroid issues suck. My great-aunt had that problem. I was advised by several ethical medical professionals years ago never to take anything that hasn't been on the market at least a decade. So good for you, listening to your instincts. I hope you are able to stick to your decision and also find something that helps improve your health to the greatest possible extent.
Hi! I take Ozempic. I struggled for like 15 years with my weight. No matter what was I doing, I was only gaining weight. People who got to know me were often surprised that I am fat because "I wasn't living fat lifestyle". People think that fat people do it somehow on purpose. I have insulin resitance, which leads to diabetes. I am 100% sure it is genetic. My mom and all of her three sister struggle with diabetes. Basically if I don't manage my condition I will develop diabetes. I don't blame people want to lose weight because it is healthier. There are so many diseases that you are at risk. Moreover it just feels better. Not only psychologically, but phisically. Your legs don't hurt, you can walk, you can do all the sports and don't feel miserable. Even yoga is easier. Your back stops hurting. You don't feel tired allthe time. My life is so much happier right now. I wasn't depressed before because of my weight I just wanted to be healthy. But suprisingly, I am much happier.
You forgot to mention another component of the ozempic debate - the class divide - yes celebrities can afford it but for the vast vast majority, $300 a week is out of reach
I'm two weeks post Ozempic. I'm a diabetic and my medication is covered by my insurance, so I don't have to pay out of pocket for it. I'm excited to get my diabetes under control because mine is genetically passed on and I've battled it all my life. This is my last hope to get it under control before I have to go on insulin. I'm wheelchair bound (not because of my weight, but due to a brain tumor) a lot of the time and I cannot work out. So over the years of dealing with my health, I have gained a lot of weight. When my doctor explained Ozempic to me two weeks ago, it sounded amazing. I can possibly get my diabetes under control, lose weight and possibly get some of my mobility back. It's a win, win for me if it works. Now everyone and their dogs are putting out videos on Ozempic and I feel like a lot of them are shaming videos. I feel like I'm being shamed for needing a medication and being able to get my weight under control at the same time, which will only make me healthier, in less pain, and possibly be able to help with my activity level. I've been battling my body to live for 7 years and for the second time, I have hope for my future (the first was the removal of my brain tumor and being cancer free). It just sucks that now people just hate anyone on Ozempic. Like I can see being angry at the people who aren't diabetic who are making it difficult to get the medication in stock and I think Doctors need to stop prescribing this diabetic medication to people who aren't diabetic. There are two other names for the same drug that are labeled for weight loss, so they should be prescribed instead. On top of that, I think it should be treated like Bariatric Surgery, where you have to weigh a certain amount and fit specific criteria before the weight loss drug is prescribed. That way people who are already a healthy weight can't get ahold of this medication. And so people who are healthy but a little over weight can lose weight with exercise and diet, aren't getting ahold of this drug. The overweight rich can still get their weight loss drug without disrupting the supply of diabetic medication and the healthy, nono overweight population can't abuse a medication meant for diabetes or severe weight loss for obese people. As for gaining back all the weight.... From what my doctor explained to me as we were discussing my options, she said if I didn't make lifestyle changes, the drug wouldn't be as effective and will cause horrible side effects. But if I stay true to my current diet (I have a prescribed diet before years now), I should be perfect and if I ever do come off the medication, I shouldn't gain the weight back. It's mainly people eating whatever they did before Ozempic, not changing their lifestyle that had them gaining the weight in the first place, and expecting to stay thin after coming off the medication. Unfortunately, it's the majority of people who are doing exactly that, who are complaining about regaining all their weight back. As far as Ozempic being life long... It's a *diabetic medication* ....of course it's lifelong for a lot of us, because our diabetes will never go away. Insulin is also a diabetic medication that is life long. The only people who are complaining are those who are using a diabetic medication, when they aren't diabetic. 😅 Or the weight loss label, without changing any of their bad habits or lifestyle, then are surprised they are gaining the weight back immediately. Make it make sense! 😂 Basically, if you are diabetic, take Ozempic if that's what you and your doctor decide on. If you're *not* diabetic, but obese, leave Ozempic (and the other label that I can't remember) alone and ask your doctor about the same type of drug that is labeled for weight loss only. Change your eating habits, your lifestyle, and you shouldn't gain the weight back after you come off of the drug. If you are able bodied, healthy, and just a little over weight or not over weight, *you don't need this drug* at all! You will have to change your diet and lifestyle anyway to keep the weight off after you stop taking it, so just do the work and you'll lose the weight without having to stab yourself in the stomach once a week. But most of all, people need to stop shaming diabetic people taking a diabetic medication. People need to stop shaming obese people for taking a medication for the obese. And people need to stop shaming everyone for what they look like...period. Whether they are skinny or obese, it doesn't impact your life whatsoever. If they were obese and used a weight loss medication to become skinny, it's none of your business. Just leave people alone and live your own life. 😋 Stay safe out there y'all. 🥰🫶🏻
Honestly basing your self esteem on the body status of a celebrity is toxic as hell and you should never depend on that. It’s important that everyone learns to love themselves independently not be always trying to be externally validated.
If body positivity is dying I think it's because it went to an extreme. Most folks straight up don't feel well when they're overweight and/or injected with a million different fillers. It was silly of body positivity to shunt those concerns aside in favor of vibes. It went from "don't hide in shame" and "stop being mean to fat people", a sentiment that any decent person can agree with, to "healthy at every size" and "losing weight is fatphobic", which is just stupid I'm sorry.
For a lot of people, the reason why they can't lose weight solely with dieting and exercising is because non-healthy every day habits are not the root cause ♥. The true question is: why aren't you treating yourself better? Why do you torture your body by not eating when your body doesn't need it? The reasons are often feelings of shame or fear that have never been digested. Once you've digested your emotions, and made the barrier fall between you and the outer world (a barrier of fat) , you will want to eat in a way that is healthy for you and develop habits to take care of yourself. So to have a healthy body, you first need a healthy mind ♥ That's why Ozempic is a bandaid on a bullet hole. Therapy should help. But it's not an overnight solution... I wish this was more widely spread. And to stop feeling ashamed of your body, body positivity is SO IMPORTANT. Because if being fat can be beautiful, then we'll all fear being fat way LESS => leading to treating ourselves right. Society impacts our minds so much!! Take care of yourselves the way you can ♥
Thank you for clarifying that there are two formulations of semaglutide (and tirzepatide, and likely future GLP-1s). Same drug compound but used differently to target different things. This also splits both the compounded market and “real” name-brand drug market in two, and seems to have helped ease access for diabetes patients, along with makers of GLP-1 drugs rapidly ramping up production and demand starting to slow. These drugs are no joke - not everyone can tolerate them. 0:58
The way I look at it, turning body shapes into trends to follow for looks is very damaging every single time. People of all sizes and shapes shouldn't have to deal with daily critics and limits. That's very damaging to everyone. And they shouldn't have to be excluded of being represented as valid human beings. Still, a better health status, that allows people to live longer and with higher quality of life, should be advocated for. And I believe that using something that is at your reach to lose weight, if you're overweighted and know that increases your risk of a ton of diseases and of dying younger, is very valid. And that shouldn't go against them being valid human beings and their body shapes shouldn't be something to be ashamed for before and after weight loss. Rebel Willson being at risk of not getting jobs because she lost weight is as bad as people with obesity having a harder time finding them. Meanwhile, there's no discussion on the fact that people using it to turn unhealthily skinny, people promoting their new body shapes as better, etc., is bad. Besides, yeah, there's the whole discussion about the inequality of acess to the drug. But that enters more in the scope of inequality of access to healthcare
the thing with body shapes as trends to follow really is that it's not new. it's really old. the new thing is, that those body shapes are supposed to be made with your own flesh instead of structural undergarments and padding. when we ditched the bum pads, that's where we went wrong.
I have a friend with serious chronic health issues and her doctor prescribed her ozempic. I'm so happy for her honestly, because for her the extra weight that she tried so hard to work off with diet and exercise but couldn't, was able to come off with ozempic and her body is overall better for it.
As an older woman who has been obese her whole adult life & tried every diet known to man, I don't think I would ever do ozempic. That being said, when I got into my mid-late 50's I suddenly found myself with type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, 2 back surgeries. I am now 61 & my feet & ankles are constantly under attack from gout. Even on the days when the gout is absent my feet & legs are so swollen that I can barely walk. For any young person out there.....try to keep your weight at a healthy level. Life can be a living hell when you get older.
I mean, you basically sound like my mom and she only lost the weight when she got on ozempic. She's back to hiking now and is reporting that the weight loss solved most of her prior issues with joint pain
Consider the language you're naturally using about weight loss: a "transformation," something these people have "achieved." Bodies change in lots of ways for lots of reasons, and losing weight is not always a signal that you have your "dream body" now. These celebrities were never really body-positivity leaders (body liberation activists are doing the deep work we need), but what they did offer (that's genuinely sad to lose) is fat visibility and the idea that you can be not thin and have a happy, successful life. It's extremely weird not to see more body diversity among celebrities because body diversity is the only normal thing about bodies.
It is legitimately hard to live and move through society in a woman's body that's always changing shape in one way or another. (Usually for reasons related to medical conditions or phases.) I recently asked my doctor just not to tell me how much I weigh. It's too much of a mental burden, and I don't want to think of myself through the lens of a number.
As a disabled person I'm more for body neutrality. My body is sick and sometimes I hate how it hurts me. I can't love it but I can manage neutral.
That's so real -- I have a host of chronic illnesses and am very plus size, and while I actually really appreciate my body, it all comes back to an overall neutral stance on what it means to have a human body I have to laboriously keep from falling apart. I really appreciate the body positivity movement, but at the end of the day, most people I know who are very into it have a really hard time accepting that it's OK to dislike or be uncomfortable in your body -- like, _genuinely_ they will have breakdowns if they start wanting to lose weight, it's really sad. The point of the movement was _always_ the desire to resist obesity doomerism and fatphobia, but a lot of people misunderstand or misuse the term to mean that obsessive self-care routines and body worship should be the "norm." And that's a shame, because obesity has always been a societal nutrition issue fueled by corporate greed and governmental short-termism. Body positivity to me means appreciating that my body is doing the best it can and not falling for weightloss industry scams due to a feeling of hopelessness of loss of control. But ultimately that's just, like, regaining a sense of pride in what my weird genetics can achieve in terms of "normalcy," and striving for better quality of life, _even when_ that includes actively wanting to change or fix it. But apparently that's now a very neutral stance on it.
The most logical thing I've heard about this.
Some people can't distinguish between self love and confidence, and actually loving every single thing about yourself. We can't, and we shouldn't, love Everything about ourselves, either physically or personality wise.
exactly
I feel this. ❤
This is true for everyone. Imagine you would have to Love your Body Always. Pregnancy,.Postpartum, Teens, Sick, hungover etc. You do Not have to be "pretty" to be okay. We.are all Sometimes ugly and the majority does not make their living by their Looks, so who Cares.
my diabetic polish dad is the true ozempic queen
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Uhhh
I, soon gonna be queen too if i don't take my health seriously too😢😅
Same
But is he a skinny legend?
Let’s also acknowledge how ozempic usage is a class issue - working class people that struggle with diabetes and obesity cannot afford the already hard to obtain medication necessary for their health, while rich celebrities can.
Exactamundo!!
You make an excellent point!
It's like 130 bucks per month, what are you talking about. It's cheaper than takeaway
Type 2 diabetes can be put into remission through weight loss, and maintaining a healthy weight.
Semaglutides are for Type 2 Diabetes.
@@tedarcher9120a lot of people wouldn't be able to budget that in.
I work in a pharmacy in Europe and a month ago we managed to get some ozempics. One of our diabetics clients literally CRIED and bought us chocolate the next day because she finally could get her medication that she needs. And it's because rich people are using it to get thin.
I'm just starting Mounjaro, in the product label it's written it's both for diabetes and weight loss so people can go away, I'm using the product how it's registered.
@@dominika3762LMAO, so YOU’RE one of the people who are taking the drugs inappropriately?
European here as well: A relative of mine was on a strict diabetic medication (not ozempic/wegovy etc.) for years were it was crucial to take the medication always at the exact same time and dosage. Then the ozempic trend set in and suddenly the medication was not available anymore. For months and months. Apparently there was no alternative, so from one moment to another the strict therapy was nilled and my relative was left hanging like: "You're on your own. Happy dying" (my words). The reasoning given by the doctor was that it was linked to the ozempic craze in the US, so probably pharmaceutical companies all trying to jump on the NovoNordisk wagon. That's just crazy!
Who cares? If weight is your problem with diabetes, get therapy for your overeating and stop being a slave to a rich company that doesn't give a hoot about you.
There are different drugs available, why are people stupidly hooked on this particular one so much
I am a pharmacist in Italy - this summer there was a shortage of Ozempic, and from August until October we have had a deluge of desperate diabetics that were not able to access their LIFESAVING medication, left without an alternative in most cases, calling us every day to know if it was available again. It's still not available - except for a short seven days at the start of October. So whenever I hear about people using Ozempic like that I get extremely angry, because I remember all the desperate patients.
Same hear in Germany. We say to our diabetics "Please ask your Doc to Change to Something different. (If thats possible) This Trend isnt stopping tomorrow."
I feel a similar frustration when i can’t access my ADHD medication. It’s not a life-saving drug, but my quality of life is dramatically reduced when i can’t access it (usually there’s a shortage around final’s week-when i especially need it!!) i get so frustrated when people use ADHD stimulants as recreational drugs because even when my medication is available it’s still incredibly difficult to access due to it being a controlled substance. There are so many extra hoops and barriers than my other medications, so sometimes there are weeks between refills
ma l'ozempic non è sotto prescrizione?
Trulicity, saxenda and now wegovy.
Being fat means you have insulin resistance to a certain degree, meaning they “have” diabetes. You’re there to count pills and put them in a container. Your a glorified counter gatekeeper.
You aren’t there to diagnose whether someone is insulin resistant enough to “merit” a prescription just by counting their pills or handing them a pre measured needle.
I’m just soooo over celebrities. We’re all struggling out here and they’re having their hunger games capitol fantasy
Me too. Something in me broke during the pandemic and I just don't give a shit about rich, famous assholes and whatever dumb bullshit they're up to. Their lives are so irrelevant to mine, and lord knows they don't care about me.
@@sheilaross1449exactly, they don't care about us, about world outside of their masions. I do not support or follow any celebrity or ultra rich psychopats on social media, they are done for me.
These comments are just so true.
@@sheilaross1449 maybe its worth to examine why you cared about them in the first place
Haha omg real life celebrity hunger games tier game
I hate how it's a trend to have a certain bodyshape, the rapid cycle between very different shapes makes it even worse.
It’s wild and so is the fact it used to be achieved by clothing/padding, but now it’s expected to be achieved by removing or adding fat, fillers and implants 🤢
we've stopped relying on fashion and started becoming the items of fashion, people are treating themselves like puzzle pieces now instead of a whole...:/
@@wavesandflowsit is like the Capitol in Panem (Hunger Games)
right! like we used to tailor our clothes to help our bodies fit the fashionable silhouette, but now we tailor our bodies to fit the clothes…dark
Actresses: OMG corsets were So Bad! Misogyny!!
Also actresses: let me just pop this fat in my but, this silicone in my boobs, and remove the fat on my cheeks. Oh, colossal butts are no longer trending? Ok, brb, just gonna take this stuff out really quick 💀
For the last few years, I've subscribed to the body neutrality movement; rather than "all bodies are beautiful, fat people are beautiful" it says "no one should ever have their worth judged based on their body." Those are not mutially exclusive. I don't think we're even close to that as a society tho....
I really believe the body positivity movement was intended to honor all bodies and the people who live in them without judgment, but somewhere along the line (probably the commercialization) it became "all bodies are visually appealing!" True body positivity, to me, is that the visuals of my body have nothing to do with its value-that my body is worthy no matter what it looks like. Our bodies are good, and there are no bad bodies. I hope body neutrality becomes a thing and fills this lapse from the marketed body positivity.
A part of body neutrality is also respecting health in regards of individual bodies. Try to be healthy and do things that are good for your body but respect the boundaries that exist. I have EDS. My healthy is rather different to someone elses healthy but eating clean and excersising regularly is possible (and positiv) for me. Yourself is not deteched from your body. Try to give it the care it deserves should be prioritised over beauty. Being as pain free as possible for as long as possible is far more important than the fleeting idea of beauty.
@@sachaAlex this is where I like Health at Every Size (HAES). It's the idea that no matter your size, you can do health-promoting behaviors like getting enough sleep, eating a varied diet that leaves your hunger satisfied, drinking enough water, and getting regular movement in whatever way is best for you. It leaves body size and weight completely out of the conversation and focuses on promoting healthy behavior. It's trying to reduce "fat broken arm syndrome" where a fat person comes to the doctor for something like a broken arm and is always harassed about their body size and given unhelpful and ineffective diet advice they didn't ask for.
@@palomanena22Yes and also the trend of body positivity turned into and additional pressure for people with non normative bodies to "love" their bodies which is unrealistic. It's perfectly normal to find things about your body you wish were different, and demonizing that only puts more guilt into people whose mental health is already threatened. The focus should always be about the fact that you deserve to live your life and have space and respect regardless of your body, to counteract how society tell us that we need to fit into a standard to be acceptable. We don't have to wait until we love everything about ourselves (be it because we changed everything that society tell us is wrong about it, or because we fixed and healed our body image issues) to start to live and occupy our place in the world. That is unrealistic.
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As someone who grew up as a fat teen in the 2000s, seeing bodies like mine in movies was amazing. And the body positivity movement did amazing things for my self-confidence. That being said, I tried ozempic. I hated it. Then, because of a health scare, I had gastric bypass surgery. And as I got thinner, I noticed how the whole world started treating me differently. I do not begrudge these celebrities for losing weight for themselves. I don't like that some are pushing a semi "thin is the only way to be beautiful" narrative. And that's also on us a society. We glorify the skinny. Yes, being obese is unhealthy, but so is being underweight. And, as I've had to say to many people when they say "don't say you were fat, you were beautiful," being fat and being beautiful are not mutually exclusive. I can be, and was, both.
I've always been super skinny, from nothing but genetics. And I really agree with you. I cannot say that I think that your weight (generally, unless unhealthy and that goes both ways) impacts your beauty. There's been fat women who I've found really really beautiful to the point where I was intimidated by them. But then they'd make shitty comments about themselves in front of me (and sometimes even mention me looking how I do) as if they owe society some sort of guilt? They don't. They really don't and it makes me so fucking sad that women are always lied to. If your too much of ANYTHING than societ hates you. But society is subjective, so it's never good enough. I wish we could all take a step back from this shit. But I doubt our society will.
The flip side of Ozempic is that for some people it’s an irreplaceable tool. I struggled with eating disorders and binge eating, emotional eating, etc. I tried working with a nutritionist, working with a trainer, working with my doctor. Ozempic is the first thing that has actually helped me. I was about 6 hours into my first dose when the “food noise” shut off. It’s actually helping me heal my relationship with food, because for the first time in my life I’m not obsessing over it. I’m using a very low dose, and I’ve lost 30 lbs over about 6 months. After the first month I asked my doctor if this is how most people go through life experiencing food.
Diet culture is dangerous, and misuse of this drug is definitely a concern, but it’s important to remember that for many people it’s an invaluable tool.
I think this is less a flipside and more what it's meant for. For people who struggle with food noise to the point that their health is negatively affected. For people who need to lose weight and just can't, as Karolina said. I'm really glad it helps you 💜
I think your kind of experience needs to be taken into consideration as well. People judge too much.
Same! I use a compound version through my Doctor to treat my insulin resistance. I'm on a low dose as well. I am 100% with you on the food noise. I am an emotional eater and have a bit of BD on top of my ADHD, so that's a fun combo. I also had the realization that "this" must be what it is like to live without constantly thinking about food. I am 38 and have always struggled with the food noise and binging when I was anxious. Now that it is gone I am able to resist food triggers. I am able to rationalize my emotions and use movement instead of food when I feel anxious/stressed. It is really helping me establish a better relationship with food. My hormones have also balanced. It's remarkable how a low dose of this medication has helped my body function normally for the first time. This journey is less about just losing weight for me. It's about getting my body in balance for the first time. Many people in my family are diabetic and I was on my way there as well. The weight loss is nice, but it's only about .5 lb a week. I'm not on a fast track to getting skinny, and I'm not going to on this low dose anyway, but, I am building muscle and better long term habits, and I think that is pretty great!
We need to start with ozempic is NOT prescribed for weight loss! I can’t believe how many people still believe this!! Wegovy, Zepbound & Saxenda are the medications prescribed for weight loss. They have higher doses of the weight loss medication and none of the diabetes medication in them. People who aren’t diabetic shouldn’t take a diabetes medication!
This isn’t DIET CULTURE! They don’t just pass out these meds! You need to be obese or have comorbidities! These medications are ALSO good for HEART DISEASE!!
But god forbid someone is a healthy weight, treats heart disease, improves an obesity related condition…it’s obviously just vanity!!!
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as an asexual on wegovy it honestly dulls food noise so much it feels like im ace for food now. i still make sure to eat as healthily as i can so don't worry
In my opinion the body positivity movement never really took off to begin with. The only types of bodies outside the norm that really resonated with the general public included people who still had a waist, still had curves in the right spots, had conventionally attractive faces, and depending on what region you were in were the right race or ethnicity.
Now that ozempic is pretty accessible people can drop the pretense they had about being body positive and go back to the ideal they’ve pushed all along. Bonus points that “heroin chic” bodies are back in style because these groups were tired of being overlooked back when being “slim thick” was in
100% agree! I wish clothes more than bodies were in fashion, but clothes as we do them now are accessories to bodies rather than the primary fashionable thing themselves. Sure, clothes still go (rapidly) in and out of fashion, but they're cut according to the body type that's all the rage at the moment
Came here to say something similar, but you hit the nail right on the head! At best, mainstream culture reluctantly put on a facade that it was "okay with" an extremely watered-down, "corporate-friendly" version of body positivity. One that doesn't challenge any of the industries that profit from it. But as soon as one of those industries offered """a cure,""" we flew right back to square 1 while still patting ourselves on the back because "at least we're doing better than we were in the 2000s." Are we really?
@@catsrmylyf agree, your comment compliments op's perfectly
I worked for a large clothing company ' one of the biggest in the world as a designer ' we had a research group tracking male and female ques for physical attraction, it was so opposite to so called ' body positivity 😂 they shut down the research 😅 because it's pretty simple ' humans are wired to find healthy body ratios as attractive, so no matter what we are told to think or what's kind we simply are wired that way (apart from those few who are not. The data lost forever 😂
Right. I am a bottom heavy person with thick boned legs that are never gonna be skinny, even when I weighed less than I do now. Am I thankful that big booties are in? Yes. Am I uncomfortable that the only reason they're in seems to be in a sexual way? Yes. But still, my round face/double chin isn't in, my chubbier arms aren't in, my belly isn't in. The Instagram girls with skinny upper bodies, long legs, and bigger butts are in. There's no winning. It's pick and choose. I'm told I need to lose weight.
There's another scary side of this trend.
My brother has diabetes 2 and uses this drug for managing his illness. We're Polish but we live in UK. Recently he told me that some old friend contacted him asking if there's any chance he could buy and send her this drug, as she's also diabetic but apparently there's such a shortage that she struggles to find any in apothecaries. She went a long length to prove to him that she's not weight loss obsessed but indeed in need of the drug.
Have your brother look into keto/carnivore diets and how they can reverse type 2 diabetes with no medication. Dr Ken Berry (on youtube) has many videos on this.
@@mikelezcurra810 yes. He's actually on a very good way of loosing weight which makes my heart sing. He got seriously into paying attention to what he eats and low carbs kind of almost keto helps him a lot.
@@mikelezcurra810 Hey buddy, please stop posting this under a bunch of comments. People with diabetes need to work with their healthcare providers, and telling them to follow a UA-cam doctor is extremely dangerous. Diabetes is potentially deadly and needs to be managed carefully and individually.
@@mikelezcurra810 dude stop shilling pseudoscience, somebody could get hurt.
@@suchnothing don't worry babe let me handle this.
Rebel Wilson was also trying to lose weight and get healthier to improve her fertility. She has PCOS and she wanted to have children. Screw the executives that were mad at her for that.
Oh was that why?
That makes the backlash even worse
I honestly really hate that she is so type-casted as a funny fat person... yes, she is fantastic in those roles. She has great comedic timing and wasn't self-conscious about her body. But she is also a genuinely good actor. I was blown away by her performance in Pain And Gain. She is capable of a wide variety of acting roles, and it sucks that she could barely get cast for anything else while fat.
Excuse my ignorance. They were mad at her for what exactly?
@@mrpurple11hi, it seems that her management team gave her pushback on losing weight because the majority of her jobs/roles rely on Rebel being the "fat, funny girl" character. so changing her body shape makes her ineligible for the work she was previously doing
I was about to ask about how it affects people with PCOS. Due to insulin resistance and other metabolic issues with the endocrine system weight loss is almost impossible for most ppl with PCOS
I’m one of them….
The body positivity movement never even existed imo. If you were fat you had to be fat in the ‘right’ way, the hourglass way, to be treated with any respect or admiration (I am not saying fat in anyway to comment on anyone’s body, just in the context of the video!) Most of the celebrities Karolina showed in this video were hourglass fat for example. Even if your body was large, we still had to be able to see your jawline and cheekbones or your defined curvy waist for you to be pretty. And how positive can a movement be when it’s based on selling you either teas to make you skinny or plus size workout wear? All body positivity ever did was serve as yet another method to sell shit to women by subtly influencing your perception of your own bodily form. It’s a very, very sad situation.
About plus size workout wear : first of all, this shit is more comfortable than usual clothing and fuck being uncomfortable just to be fashionable in the eyes of other people. Second, do you know you are allowed to want to do sports for the fun of it (like dancing or hiking) ? You need appropriate clothing to move freely. If you happen to be plus-size, what are you going to wear if there's no plus-size clothing available ? I still don't find appropriate sport clothing readily available for my body shape so when a brand is making good shit I buy it. Physical exercize doesn't have to be weight-loss level to make you feel good (and that's coming from someone who usually hates sports because it's painful but has recently discovered one that makes her just feel nice during and afterwards).
This comment should have more likes. Absolutely agree.
I noticed this too and remember thinking, damn I don't even fit in with this new "fat acceptance" because when I gain weight I'm not perfectly hourglass shaped like these plus sized models. And it just makes my face look huge. 😂
Dear Karolina, I am 55 years of age. Which is old, but I am mentioning it because in my lifetime I have seen so many changes in preference of womens bodies, through movies and advertisement. Dior silhouette, Marilyn Monroe, Twiggy, curvy 90's models, Kate Moss, Heroin chic (scary). Rizzo (also scary). All over the place. Never like real, everage women.
Changing body image every five years is crazy, unreal.
Also, just through living a womans body changes, from girl to young woman, maybe from woman to mother, from young woman to middle age woman to older woman. Change, change, change. Happens naturally.
Beautifully put! The expectation seems to be that one achieves the "perfect" looking age/size and then figures out a way to stay like eternally. Our bodies naturally change constantly.
55 is not old imo. More so middle aged. I don't consider people to be "old" until 65+
And imo "elderly" isn't until like 80. I guess it depends on the person as some age quicker than others, but as an example my dad's gf is 71 and she has such a youthfulness about her. She does Not even seem "old" to me. She's fit, active, happy and lively.
I already felt this way about age, but meeting and getting to know her really drove this home for me.
Anyway, I'm 36 and I do not consider you old in my book. Just saying. ❤😅
You're old at 55?! Jeeze...
Another aspect of how easy it is for any fat celebrity to lose weight within a short period of time, is the fact that they can almost immediately get a new wardrobe for their new size. I remember when my wife lost a lot of weight before we had our son, and she struggled to find clothes she liked, because she didn't have time or the money to go shopping and replace everything. So for months she just wore baggy clothes that she no longer felt comfortable in. Then when she gained weight after our son was born it was the same process again but worse, because finding larger sizes is always much more difficult.
Don't you have used clothes shops in your country? And I have tons of different size clothes because im unfortunately oscilsting between 38 and 48
@@dominika3762 You still need time and money to buy in second hand shops...even more time, because it's harder to find something you like there.
And when you find piece you like, it's just in one size, it's very unlikely for a piece to be twice in one second hand shop in different sizes...
Not saying it's impossible, yes, you can save some money here and find very cool pieces, I also try to shop in second hands sometimes...but it's not that easy, you know....
Also most people hope to stay in one size and not have to have so much clothes
Remember our bodies are always going to fight to get back to thier neutral place and that looks different for all and changes with time and things like child birth, mental health, etc. Hopefully your wife kept her bigger clothes, and if she loses weight keeps them stored cause unless you're always highly restricting or on these meds for life the weight will return if it's not where your body needs to be
@dominika3762 Nothing above a size 22 in any 2nd hand shops in my country. Larger size people here tend to hoard several sizes of clothing and never donate them. In case they loose or gain weight.
May I suggest @balodana for custom sized clothes? It's my company, we can help.
Not me being not skinny enough during the size 0 craze in the 2000, being too skinny during the BBL era, and now being again too fat for the new 'trend'....thankfully I'm in my 30s now and I started to care less and less about what the trend is..and this is the advice I'd give anyone, just do you, don't listen to idiot tiktoks or celebrities trying to sell you things so they can go from millionaires to billionaires!
Wait until 40. It's actually really great, as loads of the pressures sort of evaporate.
My favorite thing about getting older has definitely been the lack of f**ks about trends, be it fashion, makeup, or bodies. Finally, at 42, I feel some peace. Sure, it’d be cool to be the size 2 I briefly was in my late 20s, but I just dgaf about that stress anymore lol
Do you recognise that it isn't men telling you to be that size? It's women telling other women. How i know it's not men? Because there are many men who are into obese women and men who are into anorexic women. How i know it's women? They are the ones promoting it on social media, photos, ads, "I'm so obsessed with this" type of videos.
Not a single man is telling all women "okay girls, it's 2024 now. Time to get ultra obese."
@@thegreenmanofnorwich this 100%. I'm 40, gained some weight over my 30s for various reasons, and despite this, I feel so much more comfortable with my body and how I look than I did when I was in the vicinity of any sort of "ideal" body shape. The way I see it, at my size and age, I'm never going to be whatever culture has decided is "hot" anyway, so I can just like whatever shape I am with no pressure.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich I came on here just to mention that being 40 sheds more fucks!
I didn't really give a crap about celebrities for much of my adult life...Though, I've been watching a Sci Fi showfrom the early 00s (Farscape) and the very thin actresses wearing some of those low-rise bottoms with cropped top outfits is reminding me of the trauma I had in that time because I didn't look good in those "hot" outfits.
In past historical eras, you could create the desirable body shape with corsets and padding. Today, we diet, squat, cut and inject our way towards the ever shifting goalpost of what's considered 'trendy'. Fuck this, honestly.
It became acceptable for women to wear bikinis in public, and now there's no corsets or padding to hide behind 😂 Honestly though, back when everyone was talking about having a "hot girl summer", I was like nah sisters its a pandemic, who has energy for this? I decided to have a hairy feminist summer instead, and I'm never going back.
Food was healthier back then. In the modern age exercise is a requirement
So corsets and padding are better then actually being healthy? Corsets are an actual unnatural standard
I think that "what is considered trendy" became much, much more broad and diverse than it was ever during the last 2 centuries, if not more than that.
If you see just 1 type of what's trendy - exit your information bubble. Algorithms on social media and alike can shove you into one niche and dramatically skew your perception. Or just don't do social media, that's also an option.
@@roarbertbearatheon8565it was not, food access was way worse for 99% percent of people. Obesity has to do with quantity of food and the calorie content, not if its healthy
"It's her body, it's fine, she's allowed to take care of herself the way she wants to" only works in one direction when people get skinny. No one ever says that about gaining weight. It's so hypocritical.
Weight gain is correlated with bad health outcomes. That is why people don't say the same things about getting thin.
@@peterirvin7121 So people are only allowed bodily autonomy when they are thin?
I just realized: in the decade to come, we'll see a bunch of pop culture historians/commentators talk about how the 2010s was the "body positivity" decade, and how being bigger was in. But it was never really the mainstream, it was mostly in certain media and marketing outlets and in activist circles.
It did enter the mainstream, and is still in the mainstream.
What I wonder is why fashion allows fat or skinny.
And not the inbetween
I don't think so, thankfully. The instant change that started the moment ozempic became available quickly showed very clearly that these people were never "feeling beautiful fat", "choosing being fat" and "loving their fat bodies" but simply coping with outcomes of their food addiction. When an easy way to quickly lose weight appeared, they instantly took it, as it was from the beginning a no-brainer option. But they denied it so long, and called people all kinds of epithets for saying it out loud. The fact is they always wanted to look good and fit, just didn't want to give up their addiction to calories and lazy lifestyle.
Maybe it's for the better that it happened. It showed how much insidiousness can hide inside these "positive" social movements, and Ozempic exposed it 100%.
@@Ritff666l-e9e I don't think the majority of people ever internalized these views, instead, the views were promoted by activists and social media influencers, and filtered into major publications (fashion and women's magazines), marketing campaigns and fashion corporations, to the point where it LOOKED like the majority believed this. It's what you might call the "polite society" norms sorta camouflaging working class norms.
@@czwarty7878 yeah, it shows how people are wishy washy and have no own standards.
@@nakenmil interesting. reminds me also of things going on in politics. thank you for that angle.
As women it seems there's no way to "win" at this game.
If you're too fat, you'll get shamed. If you're too skinny, you'll get shamed. If you've got big boobs, you'll get shamed. If you have small boobs, you'll get shamed. If you're too athletic, you'll get shamed. If you're too waify, you'll get shamed.
And the whole system is designed this way.
Because they can't sell you shit to "improve" your appearance if you believe there's nothing wrong with how you look.
Also the lines cross over there's no perfect body
Hear hear. Focus on health and love your body. 💕
Women have so many double standards the only constant is you're never good enough. Be pretty but not too pretty, have confidence but always be humble.
Only way to "win" is to not play the game. Just be you. Do the things that you enjoy and make you feel good about yourself. Dress and do your hair & makeup however you want.
Eff the people who are too insecure and crowd-following to appreciate you.
I was chatting with my colleague about this today you can't even look at something like a shampoo online without being bombarded with adverts for "improving" your looks. I don't want to improve I just want shampoo that doesn't make my scalp itch. Because making my own from coconut oil,honey and garlic is hard work and stinky.
I saw someone on Instagram state that body positivity was never actually about accepting fat bodies, but allowing skinny and midsized people to feel ok with themselves if they had a belly roll when they scrunched. And after seeing the movement’s progression, I agree. Fatness never lost its immoral connotation in society. And we’re seeing the result of that with the Ozmepic trend. I’ve leaned more into the body neutrality lately so as not to focus so much on my body. I’m someone who Wegovy could have helped medically, but insurance won’t cover it and I can’t afford the generic.
I’m with you on body neutrality all the way. I could stand to lose some weight to improve my health, but I can’t afford to buy healthy ingredients or spend time at a gym, let alone a buy a drug.
The co-opting of body positivity is undoubtedly about making straight sized people feel better about themselves BUT
The movement was originally created by fat black femmes, and then was hijacked by yt people for yt supremacy and capitalism
it was about accepting fat bodies.... in fat spaces. when it got more maindtream skinny people went "but us too!" and instead of being allies and feeling more okay with themselves as a result, they inserted themsleves as the face of the movement. see: every single comment section always have that one cunt going "well i get mad fun of for being too skinny" great we're being treated like dogshit, i literally cannot care anymore about what some bony bitch has to say on the matter.
There is no generic available to buy. It’s still under patent protection. I mean, there’s still a generic name for it, the product itself is still under patent.
I've had conversations with people who seem to only accept body positivity if it is about skinny women loving their "imperfections". I hope body neutrality is the middle ground that can teach society to allow everyone to respect and appreciate their own bodies without shame or explanation. Not to mention teach society to respect and honor all bodies.
8:15 Kardashians are a really bad example of "celebrities that used to be known for... promoting body shape that were not mainstream", they were literally promoting plastic surgery, including the extremely dangerous butt implants.
yes! the kardashians are celebutantes--famous only for being famous. the only assets they have are the ones they surgically alter. it's a very damaging example for girls and young women.
Slightly OT, but am I the only person who never liked the work they had done, the way they dressed, the way they do their makeup? Kim Kardashian's colorless house? I don't wish them ill, I just don't understand why people are into that.
@@StellaWaldvogel i'm right there with you--never understood the appeal.
@@StellaWaldvogel never liked them. l always thought that they look and behave cheap and distastefull. And with time they're getting worse (ruining Marilyn iconic dress, s*x tapes with Kim, then sheit with Kanye Kardashian-West).
they used to promote having very curvy bodies, BBLs, breast implants, tummy tucks
very recently they are reported to have had surgeries to “lessen” their curves now and you can look up comparison pictures of them from 2018 to now and there is a noticeable difference in their breasts/butts so…. they are absolutely contributing to the skinny trend
I'm concerned about what the long term effects of the medication will be on those taking it for cosmetic weight loss. A friend of mine was on it for a while for her diabetes. She looked fit and healthy, but it messed up her appetite so badly that it was interfering with her ability to simply enjoy dinner with her family. Just the smell of food was nauseating and she never felt like eating or cooking. She found another way to treat the diabetes, and took a nutrition class to improve the quality of what she feeds herself and her family. The weight returned quickly along with food cravings, but she doesn't miss taking the medication at all.
Thank you for telling this story. This is the type of experience more people need to hear about.
Food aversion from meds can be such a tough thing! I have rheumatoid arthritis (and I’m also fat) and my first rheumatologist refused to consider changing my meds when they were causing such serious loss of appetite and food aversion I’d go an entire day without eating. She actually said “well, you should lose weight which is good.”
I’m lucky I was able to find a new doctor who heard my concerns and helped me find a new medication. But I’ve been fat since I was a kid. I’ve done a lot of diets and exercise regimes, I’ve never been anything other than fat, the temptation to stay on that med which ruined my appetite and made me food averse was strong.
Last Winter I lost a fair amount of weight due to depression and ADHD. I have a history of losing weight under extreme stress and anxiety, so it has happened multiple times before. But this past Winter was particularly bad. I developed such an unhealthy relationship with food that it actually angered me to feel hungry. It felt like an exhausting chore to have to figure out 3 meals a day, to prepare the foods and clean up after whatever mess it made to prepare it, and I would get frustrated with my own body when it was ‘demanding’ food. My appetite was so small that when I tried to eat during the day, it would make me physically ill. My financial situation also worsened my relationship with food. I would ignore hunger pains because I didn’t even have it in me to deal with what my body needed, or I didn’t have food enticing enough to have the ambition to make it.
I went from 125lbs at 5’3” to 115lbs. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE I knew was commenting on my weight… I couldn’t even look at myself in the mirror before a shower because I could see my ribs, hip bones and collar bones so prominently. My face was a bit sunken in and my skin was pale. I would cry and cry about my appearance while desperately trying to fix my eating habits and gain the weight back.
As the summer approached, I still wasn’t gaining enough weight no matter how hard I tried. Wearing a bathing suit was horrifying to me because I was afraid of my friends and family, or even strangers, looking at me sideways or asking questions.
“You need to eat more”
“Why are you so thin??”
“What’s up with you being so skinny, I can see your ribs and everything..”
“You look much thinner since I last saw you”
These comments would break my heart every time. I hated the fact that I neglected my body so much in the midst of depression that it became an enormous insecurity. I couldn’t help but feel like people assumed so many horrible and blatantly incorrect reasons as to why I lost weight.
Seeing celebrities all over the tv looking the way I did a handful of months ago, was even more confusing and hurtful because I would see all of the public scrutiny for how they looked.
You never know what someone is going through, do not comment on people’s appearance and weight. If you’re close enough to that person, pull them aside PRIVATELY and respectfully to express your concern and figure out what exactly is going on.
And for anyone going through something similar, just take baby steps to improve. Give your body the nourishment it needs, no matter how small the portion is or at what time of the day. You will overcome the darkness you’re experiencing and you are not alone in your suffering. Stay strong 🤍
@mariahlamb2983 Try making a day of it with big batch cooking and freeze it in single portions. I eat once a day at night. I am told that's not healthy, but at least I'm eating. The idea of eating during the day is a complete turn off.
When I went through a bad period with struggling to eat due to anxiety, yogurt and trail mix helped me a lot. A good source of protein and very little clean up
Please, *please,* *_PLEASE,_* if you or a loved one are taking or thinking about taking this drug PLEASE, watch their mental health _very_ closely! I almost lost a friend to this drug. Thank gawd her doctor caught on & stopped her treatment properly. BUT, _we_ didn't know this could happen. She was struggling horribly & ignoring those symptoms just to stay on the drug!? Almost like, she didn't want to believe it? Simply because it worked for so many others, "Why not me?" 😢
Plus, UA-camr's Jamie French & Celina SpookyBoo have had extremely serious mental health issues that forced them to stop this drug. Be safe, life is too short.❤❤
The side effects are NO JOKE. For one person I know, the drug resulted in constant nausea and hair loss.
In that case, I just don't understand how taking this drug specifically FOR WEIGHT LOSS actually creates a net improvement in your life. Let alone the kind of crippling mental health effects you're talking about.
BTW I had the same nausea-and-hair-loss reaction to migraine drug Emgality, which is a peptide antagonist. So if any of your drugs is a peptide agonist or antagonist, take a PARTICULARLY close look at potential side effects.
I'm so glad you mentioned this. I was going to comment about Celina too! It's so shocking that this drug is pushed at the moment with no mental health warnings!
I would like to know what was happening to her exactly, if you're comfortable sharing it
@@katzea.a7880 Sure. Things started out great for like the 1st week. She list 6 lbs & felt fine. A little over a week in & her sleep was "off", she said she kept waking up for no good reason. Than, she started getting mild anxiety randomly throughout the day. And things just got worse & worse. She thought that maybe it was coffee or her laundry soap. Changed those nothing changed. Then, she stopped losing weight completely. So, she went to her doctor, didn't say a word about her symptoms, they increased her dose. She lost another 14lbs over 2 weeks. Her sleep got really bad & that's when she started having thoughts of wanting to die! She finally broken down & talked to her husband (the guy that loves her no matter what) & this shyt scared tf outta him. He begged her to stop & to go to her doctor about everything. So very thankful that he did! The doctor basically said, "Nope, this isn't right for you. Let's get you off of it & back to normal". Immediately started to wean her off of that crap. Never again!! 🤞🏻
I’ve seen that from someone I know too
I tend to lose weight when my health gets bad. ( both from low appetite and loss of muscle)
I always get compliments about how good I look during these lows, which really drives home how much about size it is. Becouse I look sick! My skin is grey, and my hair is dry, my eyes are dull and have gunk in them.
Normally, I'm what most people would consider skinny anyway. These complements come when I look underweight. Our society's idea of what is healthy is so warped.
That's like when people complimented women with tuberculosis since it made them pale with flushed faces. Very bizarre.
The way people feel comfortable commenting on other people's weight is baffling. As if merely perceiving your body gives them the right to say whatever idiotic thing their brain cooked up.
I've read way too many medical neglect stories where doctors tell women to be thankful for whatever is making them lose weight instead of diagnosing them.
Yeah, my sister got told she "looks really good" by a friend after 6 months of chemo.
Have you actually weighed yourself in one of those times? Are you actually underweight or do you just assume that's the case. Because there's a difference between assuming you are underweight and you actually being at an unhealthy weight.
Body should not be a trend, thats crazy.
Right? The idea of ‘body type trends’ is horrifying when you think about it!
@@caranook True!
You literally can't change your genetics every 5 years to match the fashionable boob size,silhouette, lip shape etc,but that is what fashion demands of us. No wonder everyone is so miserable.
Yes, we should all have steady idea of what constitutes beautiful body - that of Myron Discobolus. And we all know deep down that what we need is not thin body, or fat body, but strong body, body of someone who can run 40 km, who can lift 100 kg, who can jump high, who can throw things Far away.
Decathlon sportsmen and sportswomen should became THE idea for eternity.
It's only a trend for people who are stupid enough to fall for it
I'm a fat person with fibromyalgia & an ED, so it's hard for to exercise enough to lose weight. I've been disappointed to see that the body positivity movement has sometimes been exclusively supporting an appreciation of larger bodies, & been critical of midsized or slimmer people playing different roles, or representing characters in cosplays, etc. Natural bodies are diverse, & we should all be able to feel comfortable however we appear, & with whatever we're going through in life. It's hard enough without judgement from people who barely know you.
It's impossible to just exercise enough to lose weight. Cyclists, pro or just sorta nuts for a hobby, can average 200 miles on a bike per week and still continue existence, because you can fuel whatever effort your body is capable of
I went carnivore to try and get rid of my rosacea without having to take the antibiotics my doctor was pushing on me, and my fibromyalgia disappeared within the first 2 weeks. My Rosacea is not 100% gone yet, but it's much more manageable now. The real surprise is that I am now completely pain free and feeling better than ever. I haven't been sick in over a year, either. My immune system actually works. Please give it a try. What have you got to lose?
Thank you for talking about this. My endocrinologist put me on Ozempic before it was trending like crazy. They focus on the weight loss, but they don't emphasize how much it trashes your digestive system. That's what it does. It shows down the natural process of your bowels so you don't feel hungry. It took me months to recover after quitting it. The end goal might be worth it to some, but for me the damage isn't worth it.
quite honestly body neutrality seems like a much less exhausting movement, i don't want to have to think about my body in a negative or positive way most days tbh
someone smart said: poor people have to learn to accept their insecurities, rich people can pay to not have them. I'm not saying rich people can't be insecure, but hell, money and free time surely do help with being able to get rid of them. too bad that in this case it's also putting people with diabetes in danger
I think it's healthier to learn to deal with insecurity in a healthy way than paying for them to go away. If nothing else, age catches up to us all and we all die. Money will always have its limits.
@@CarrotConsumer You say that, but do you have any idea how much young boy blood transfusions Paypal money buys you!
My body is working against me with a metabolic disorder. I had gestational diabetes, and I'm working on getting insurance to cover my meds. This would help reverse my fatty liver and prediabetes post partum. But because so many people are taking it for just weight, it's making people with issues who need the drugs have to jump through hoops to get it.
I feel you so hard. My job started covering it recently, but I don’t know if they will next year. ❤
it's the insurance companies making you jump through hoops and jacking up the price. the scarcity is artificial.
Maybe you could consider looking into Carnivore. It has the same effect (literally) - with added benefits of actual nutrition. Is fast acting, doesn't require permission, can be done on a budget. Some carnivire friendly medical practitioners are Dr Ben Bikman Phd. Dr Chaffee (Nuerosurgeon) - many long form interviews here on YT. Wishing you all the best with resolving your ptoblem. Health is the most imlortant thing ❤
I feel this. I am type 2 diabetic and my physician wants me on this, but because of the alternative usage, its so hard to get it- and its gotten SO pricey that I just-- can't. So instead, my doctor has me on a combo of other pills that come with a plethora of unpleasant side effects.
In Massachusetts, if your kids are on Medicaid you get Medicaid too. If it's still like that, it might be worth relocating. The rents are super high but if you get on housing it's doable.
The brutal truth is most people don't want to be fat. It's physically uncomfortable and covers your muscles and true definition.
Same gto with being too thin
Unrelated but related. I went to an onsen (public bath house - split by male/female) in Japan recently. What I took away from the experience of being around other women of all ages is that EVERYBODY LOOKS LIKE ME! Nobody has celebrity hourglass bodies - maybe like 2% of the population does. Everybody else just looks like me! I knew logically, but I didn't "know" until then - that social media and celebrity culture are damaging to body image. Honestly something in me healed, if we all just had the reality check of going to an onsen every month I feel like we'd be so much more resistant to body image issues.
Was Chihiro there 😂😂😂😂😂 sorry just a joke
I think you did a great job of describing the tension between not wanting to judge individual celebrities for their personal body decisions but still wanting to have an open conversation about how women's bodies are expected to conform to fashion trends and the effect of money on people's ability to achieve that fad body (you get popular for representing a marginalized body type->you get rich->you can now afford the fad body). I remember reading an article a few years ago discussing whether body positivity would survive the return of 90s fashion (which was super obsessed with the ultra thin heroin aesthetic). I definitely see more plus size models in commercials and the media then in the 90s but it does seem like Ozempic has further derailed the movement.
bottom line: if you're a woman in the public eye, you will be criticized for how you look no matter what you do. fat = criticized. thin = criticized. thin to fat = criticized. fat to thin = criticized. it doesn't matter! so let's all just not give a rip and take care of ourselves and our bodies how WE see fit!
PREACH..
It's like our existence is the problem here
This is exactly the case. My mum told me about a woman in a support group who had an abusive husband, who would constantly criticise her weight. It was a while ago she told me, so it might've been the other way round, but basically she was plus size, most likely not even that, but he shamed her, told her she was too fat and to lose weight. So she started losing weight. He then started shaming her for being too skinny. This was her wake up call, and so she told him "there must have been a point where I was just right. Why didn't you tell me?" And he blew up at her. She got out luckily, and that story is what cemented it for me that women will *always* be criticized for their body's, no matter what part of the spectrum they fall on.
@@faathimeh exactly!!
@@absolutely_catastrophic_ exactly!
I vote for Karolina, for she is the voice of the 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, 1900s as well as BC time.
There’s one thing that I’ve noticed a lot about this *new trend* is that is not only about weight, it’s heavily linked to *youth*. Hollywood doesn’t allow women to age, and what is a very common thread along actresses or musicians? They were smaller when they were younger, so by losing weight you can also comeback to be that woman you were before. To sort of stayed petrified on time. It’s honestly so sad😢
I am with everyone in the comments promoting body neutrality. Bodies are weird, constantly changing bags of flesh. We shouldn't place our own worth or that of others on whatever crazy shit that flesh bag is doing that day. The body positivity movement felt like an overcorrection for the thin obsession. We don't need everyone to be beautiful, just for people to realize that physical appearances do not define the value of a life.
"everyone is entitled to their dream body" sounds like a tagline for a dystopia where rich people buy poor people's bodies to put their consciousness in. we don't get to pick our bodies, even if you have the resources to choose your weight. idk, the whole body positivity thing isn't just about fatphobic imo, it's about pretty privilege and disability too, and honestly all sorts of bigotry that make people ashamed of who they are. personally if i were entitled to my dream body, i'd get one without chronic pain 100%.
Exactly
The things is, why is there such a thing as a "dream body" in the first place, and revolving around aesthetics?
As you said: a dream body is a functional one, without defects and pain. Thankfully most of us get it.
Apart from that, we shouldn't be wishing for anything else "body wise" 💀
@@auricia201 i mostly agree, there's so much social pressure and history that creates these "dreams." (and most of us have functional bodies, until we don't.) I think expressive changes like dyed hair, tattoos, piercings are a bit different from dream of meeting a body standard; similarly, I think transgender relationships to dreaming of a different body are very different than what we're looking at here. But all are affected by societal pressures and the meaning ascribed to bodies that are just bodies. And hair removal is an interesting one that can be very much about meeting societal standards for bodies and gender performance, but can also affect physical comfort and things like speed swimming.
I like body neutrality personally because I'm not going to love the pain. But it's my body, it is what it is, I don't want to be ashamed of it either.
@@ArtichokeHunter honestly, I never felt the need to use terms like body positivity or neutrality, and the more I know about the issue, the less inclined I feel to use those terms. Because everyone has a different concept of it, so what's the purpose of a word if it has different meanings to different people? 🤷🏻♀️ It just least to misunderstandings.
Conversations like this, where each one says what they actually think and why, are much more useful.
I do agree that things like dyeing hair and hair removal, and even make up are a whole different issue. We are not actually changing our body and the way it functions. And we can never be completely apart from societies' expectations, because, well, we are the society, and that's how culture works, we absorb what is around us, and that's okay, as long as it's not something actively harmful, or not harmful but done with the wrong mindset
UA-cam hyperlinking "fatphobic" 💀
😥I too have noticed that many fashion accounts have dropped larger sizes and stopped or limited including larger models in their campaigns, dropped them like a hot potato...inclusivity seems to have been a "trend" they were glad to be rid of
in general I'm seeing a worrying trend of corporate progressive messaging getting walked back. I know that corporate validation shouldn't be a goal, but it seems like they're predicting a pretty aggressive cultural shift to the right in the near future which is... concerning
It seems like I've started sewing to make my own clothes just in time 😓
To be fair, many indie brands I follow have also stated that it's been harder and harder to find ethical manufacturers who do plus sizes well, or even at all. Two different brands I loved shut down over the past few years mostly due to costs, but also partially because they were having trouble maintaining a consistent, high-quality plus sized line the way they'd intended.
@@hpoz222Absolutely. They're definitely expecting the hard conservative shift in the next few years
They held their noses and tolerated larger people until those could be "medicated" away
Semiglutides have so many pretty scary side effects that too many people aren't really being adequately informed about. Taking it long term (10+ years) has not been studied. It reminds me of the 90s when fen-phen was being pushed everywhere and that turned out bad.
I agree with you
That's what we're gonna hear after 5+ years from those celebs that take them
Absolutely. All I'm thinking is they're fucking their bodies up to ways they won't even comprehend. Losing so much weight in such a short amount of time, taking a medication that suppresses your appetite, overworking/or underworking your pancreas and liver, and going your body go through metabolic hell just to fit in a met gala dress is dangerous. I'm not even mad that these celebs want to be skinny, like alright, just do whatever, I don't care. But promoting the message of extreme and rapid weight loss similar to what extreme treatments like chemotherapy can cause just for aesthetic value is a horrible message to give to society.
Well actually the drug has been used atleast since the 90s.
@@allthatsheiz it wasn't even made into a drug until 2012. It wasn't until 2017 when it was approved for diabetics. Perhaps you are thinking about 1990 when the glp 1 enzyme was isolated from gila monster venom. It took many more years to create something to mimic the effects of the venom.
My philosophy is: make the best of what you’ve got. Wear clothes that make you feel your best. Eat foods that make you feel great. Get in exercise that you love. If you really want to follow trends, use makeup, not surgery. A lot of these things have health effects that we haven’t fully uncovered yet because normal, healthy people were never studied. Prioritize your health, prioritize your well being so you’ll have mobility and quality of life into your old age. Be around people who love and appreciate you for who you are, and be the kind of person who can reciprocate that. Go for your dreams so you don’t have regrets in life, and let that inspire and propel you forward. And those things will give you a glow, they’ll give you an inner peace, a confidence, a deep sense of internal safety, that will support your health and your beauty and your longevity.
3:26 I heard Karolina say "This video is sponsored by No-" and for a split second, I thought "Novo Nordisk?!?"😳😅
I'm so exhausted from this. Just treat people with respect...regardless of size, regardless of choices, regardless of habits. Why is that so difficult? If you don't know someone, don't talk to them or about their body (even if you do know them, its probably still not your business). The end.
Yes!!! Obesity isn’t a moral issue. Whether genetics caused obesity or donuts caused obesity, it doesn’t matter for anyone else. You’re not hurting anyone else by being a larger person.
@@laurenconrad1799 Are wealthy people not harming anyone by excessively consuming whatever they want? I hope you don't think they have any moral issues. But no, we live in a society. Overconsumption of our limited resources, burdening our healthcare and welfare systems... is harmful.
@soft-spun these two are not equivalent
@@laurenconrad1799well you can have the same excuse for anorexia. But there are plenty of girls looking at Eugenia Coonie, and want to look the same. Everything you do is affecting other people. There’s no such as thing as “as long as I’m not harming anyone” you live in a society. Where people learn from each other, especially the children and the youth, are like sponges.
@@laurenconrad1799That’s really this issue. People are pussies regarding people they don’t find attractive living their lives without caring. Whether it be weight, height, personal style, race, etc. Like “how dare you not care I find you ugly?”
Let’s make using bustles/padding/etc to “alter” our figures a thing again.
(Instead of altering our bodies.)
Nah we can’t because we’re “lying” if we do 😂 we can’t even wear a bra without being told we’re “misleading” men. It’s all about men, don’t forget, we exist for them (heavy fucking sarcasm).
@llamasugar5478 nah let's put on a sack apply some nice lipstick and call it a day. Marilyn Monroe looked pretty cute in her version of the potato sack trend 😁
Or just don't give a shit about the body shape trends? It's just ridiculous 😅
This summer a friend told me her mum got prescribed Ozempic because she was worried that she started gaining a little weight after menopause (btw she was quite underweight before menopause and just a little less skinny after)... I'm Czech, I thought it was an American thing. But no. She got full insurance cover for a weightloss drug not to fight obesity but to stay underweight.
I give up.
That’s horrifying. It shouldn’t have even been prescribed, like, my boyfriend and niece have both been shamed by health professionals for being underweight, and also shamed by people who aren’t health professionals for eating too much food. They’re both fine but I really hope that there was some actual indicator like diabetes and she didn’t trick the system somehow to get it.
That honestly doesn’t surprise me. I had basically an opposite experience, I was naturally thin (I wasn’t allowed to donate blood because of it) when I suddenly lost a lot of weight due to illness. I tried everything I could think of to gain weight and just couldn’t so eventually I went to my Dr. I was told to eat “healthy fats” and reduce my caffeine intake… I was already doing way more than that. I needed actual help and they wouldn’t give it to me, if they wouldn’t help someone like me gain weight I don’t know who they’d be willing to help 😢 The worst part was that about 1/3 of the people I spoke to complimented my weight loss. I could’ve died and I looked like it but I was constantly being told that I looked so “healthy”
@@EmL-kg5gn I'm so sorry to hear that, I hope your health is doing better now.
@@KatjeKat86 Thank you so much, it is!
That sounds very unethical and possibly dangerous if she was under weight already.
17:33 yes!! This feels like a follow up to your video awhile ago, and it was so inspiring bc it was like yeah these trends just keep changing! For profit!
- Obesity is a chronic illness. Diabetes as well.
- Losing weight is very hard to achieve and avoid getting the weight lost back is even harder because on a diet you lose more muscles than fat (most of the time).
- Whether we talk about dieting, using ozempic or get surgery : it's medical not esthetical. If you do it for your looks, let me tell you that you are not ready for the side-effects and consequences.
- I had to choose between two bad choices for myself, finding the least bad was my goal. It was either I remained fat and was sick, infertile and discriminate OR mutilate myself and face exhaustion, deficiency, drastic changes and a lifelong treatment (quite expensive but less expensive than for a diabetes or cancer or damaged knees/back).
- People using ozempic are facing intense side-effects, let me tell you.
The only thing is : take care of yourself, choose wisely and your decision is only up to you. Don't let anyone tell you what is best for you, don't look up on others, it's their decision but you can choose otherwise because, again, obesity is a chronic illness, eating disorders are a big deal to understand, to fix and to prevent and finally, we are talking about health (but also about potential death).
Celebrities are more in trouble than we are, their way of living should not be taken as something to follow. We don't know what is going on and they can't tell people "Mind you business" or truly believe that their appearance isn't crucial not to say vital for them.
Thank you for this video. Currently pregnant and a first time mom. Definitely feeling the pressure to 'bounce back' the closer my due date gets.
Bouncing back is a myth. Take your time - your priorities will most likely have changed in any case.
@mrsztodd7954 thank you. Definitely just planning on surviving and keeping a tiny human alive 😌
I'm also pregnant (2nd time) and watching everyone around me go through rapid weight loss while I gain is crazy. I know I have to gain weight for the baby to be healthy but ugh. Just wanted to send you some love because it's kind of a weird "trend" to watch while pregnant.
Fuck those who are pressuring you to do that. Being pregnant is a weird and formidable feat of the body. Timing its return to pre-pregnancy state after having a baby is foolish, it is biology not magic. You can't force your adipous cells to die instantly and your body muscles to rearrange themselves on a schedule based on body fashion… You'll have 2 whole people to care about : your baby and yourself.
Two time Mama here. It takes about two years to start feeling normal again. Your kid becomes the perfect workout partner because they keep gaining weight and give you more resistance training haha. My second is 2 1/2 and that wild boy loves to be picked up and used as a weight. Walking, eating enough protein and trying to get enough sleep is all good stuff postpartum. What an exciting time in your life! I wish I could shrink my boys back down and do the newborn phase again. They are so precious. Every phase is good though.
It's helping me immensely. I have PCOS and endometriosis. It has helped me reach a healthy weight.
What does that even meannnn
@@r.u.entertained1849it means she has two different diseases that make it difficult for her to lose weight, and thus has a legitimate reason to use Ozempic, which you could have learned through a Google search if you weren’t lazy
@r.u.entertained1849 Both PCOS and endometriosis heavily affect a woman's ability to maintain a healthy weight. The hormonal imbalance is also part of it.
I also have PCOS and I am so so tired of it.Tired of not being able to get the cloths that look nice because it's not in my size, tired of trying every weightloss suggestion under the sun, ect. I don't want to be skinny by any means, I just want to tone back a bit to how I was before the pandemic. Though I do not condone the people using it specifically for cosmetic appeal.
@@r.u.entertained1849 if you are referring to what ‘a healthy weight’ really means: fat is endocrinologically active tissue, and having a large amount of fatty tissue can strongly influence diseases like PCOS. A healthy weight might vary a bit between individuals, but generally means endocrinologically balanced, and at level where weight doesn’t impede physical capabilities
I feel like body positivity ended up becoming a type of toxic positivity. Because people who do lose weight end up getting shamed for it like "you were supposed to stay fat for the rest of us!" The message of body positivity should simply be that whatever weight you are at, it's okay to still love yourself. It's also OK to *want* to change. The biggest issue in our culture is the shaming of women (and men too) for being fat. You shouldnt have to hate yourself because of your weight. But, it's also okay to want to change since obesity does increase many health risks and a lower body weight can bring about more confidence in one's appearance. Body positivity should simply be about reducing the shame people feel about their bodies, not turning people into "traitors" for losing weight.
Thank you, my thoughts exactly. I feel like the "body positivity movement" doesn't really acknowledge the several risks that are involved with being massively overweight to the detriment of your own health. It's not fatphobic to speak out about certain issues that go hand in hand with obesity, idk. It always kinda rubbed me the wrong way, even back when I was only slightly above what could be called "average weight" for my size and age. Like, why do we have to be so hard on people trying or wanting to actively lose weight?
Body positivity wasn’t originally about weight, it was about things you couldn’t change about yourself. Like disabilities, deformities, scars. But early on it was taken over by plus size women and they became the forefront of the movement. Then it just got real crazy from there. Plus size people obviously have the right to feel body confident, there’s no debate there, but they should’ve never been the face of the movement bc you can change your weight. Whether on purpose or not, healthy or not, it can change. While there’s no drug that can cure an amputation, there’s no exercise plan that’ll get rid of scars, there’s no diet that’ll grow extra fingers. There is no “fix” to those things like there is when it comes to weight. And the focus was still on beauty which was also its downfall. Not everyone is beautiful and that’s okay, that’s not the most important thing about them. Trying to gaslight people into toxic positivity was only ever going to end badly
Exactly what I was going to say body positivity = toxic positivity, 100%
@sleepygrle6738 no body positivity always included weight & a lot of people are "obese" because of disability. There are some risks with obesity but the risks are frequently to do with co occurring issues like being sedentary or eating less balanced meals. You can be fat and healthy if you are active & eat well, its not fatness itself but the other things that can go with it. Its about there being no moral value to your body
@@sleepygrle6738 "it was taken over by plus size women" and "then it just got real crazy" is enough to indicate how you really feel here... the body positivity movement has always been about "plus size women". see the fat acceptance movement of the 1960s(tied closely to 2nd wave feminism), and even further, Victorian dress reformists(first wave). these movements center women's bodies and their size and shape.
I think something to remember also is that fatphobia isnt just mean comments- its systemic. Its medical bias, its job discrimination, its seats too small & safety equipment not made for you and this all ties in with racism, sexism, and classism- who is associated with fatness, who is allowed to be fat and who isn't, who has access to the time, energy, and money to have a healthy lifestyle? I can't blame anyone for opting out of that, especially as a celebrity where your appearance is currency but it doesn't solve the underlying problems. Body positivity doesn't really either, it can help someone accept themselves and have an improved well-being but its more focused on an individual attitude "you look great girl, love yourself" rather than making changes to the institutions. One thing that it did change which was helpful was representation, we actuslly see a variety of body types in ads, tv, movies, etc and plus size clothing has improved. I think the underlying issues need to be addressed or weight will continue to be a stand in for judging peoples class and morality rather than just how they exist in space.
this is one of the most eloquent, educational, and thought provoking takes, thank you so much for sharing this
beyond its necessity as a diabetes medication, as a fat person i'm so sad to watch the body positivity movement die. it has its issues, mainly a lot of pushing being "hot", but leaving behind the heroin chic look of the 2000's was such a huge step in unlearning fatphobia. i'm so tired of society viewing me as worthless lol
also: watching these celebrities & influencers lose a crazy amount of weight in a short amount of time is giving actual diabetic people standards that won't be achieved. my mom has been on a similar med for almost 2 years and she's lost maybe 15 lbs. because it works differently on people who actually need it to balance their sugar levels!!
Mainly the reason diabetes don't lose weight is because of the dose. The diabetic does is a small dose and the weight loss dose is double or triple that amount. If your mom needs to lose weight for health reasons, her doctor can prescribe her higher doses
See this is exactly the reason it's dying, you're so desperate to exclude skinny people because their existence or them being perceived as attractive makes you insecure. There are many people who are naturally skinny or """""heroin chic"""""". No one will ever find gluttony attractive, glas that people are being honest again, but remember they always thought the same even throughout the body ""positivity""" movement
@@VolzotranI’m ngl I feel for Poles or just most Eastern Europe if I can speak for others here in terms of tragic backstories like this is a literal famine driven Velen side quest of an origin story bro who’s mom wrote all this 😭😭
@@VolzotranOh screw off. Can we stop treating skinny shaming like it’s equal to fat phobia? That’s like the most privileged person in the world thinking their problems are equal to that of a poor person. Or a white person complaining about spice jokes while black people get shot by police being stopped at a red light. Fat phobia makes doctors overlook and mistreat patients and them dying. There’s an actual risk in fat phobia.
It wouldnt be dying if people in the movement werent feeding into the 400 pound lifestyle constantly and attacking anyone who thought differently (tess holiday for example 😬)
I don't think it will ever be applicable to the entertainment industry (sadly) but that's exactly the reason why body neutrality seems like a much more balanced alternative - then again, with the current 'trends' it's hard to imagine that taking off any more than it already has. Great video!
I am excited to hear Karolina’s take on this. Ozempic has been a life-saver for me in a very literal sense because I was unable to lose weight on my own due to a combination of genetics and antidepressants permanently changing my metabolism. So I think it’s really important to remember that it can be hugely helpful for people who genuinely can benefit from it for their health. ❤
I'm in that struggle now.
@@bonnievysotsky6311good luck!! ❤
I'm on the same boat with medications, since i started taking various neuroleptics my body changed drasticaly, and I'm struggling to fight the side effects of those drugs and get my balance back. I was taking ozempic for some time but it didn't work for me, the price is too high, availability too low (people must go to another cities to get this or even to another country cause it's unavailable) and the side effects were too serious for me to continue. I hate when people are like "ozempic is cheating and cutting corners", no it isn't. Fist of all obesity is a medical condition and ozempic (and similar stuff) is a medicine, second the side effects are realy awful for many people, so it's not just taking a shot and going on with your day. It's still a fight, fight for your health, and still once you stop taking the drug you can gain weight again, so it still requires a lot of work to stay on your track.
no worries if not, but do you have any more info on antidepressants changing metabolism? i've been on some kind of antidepressants for ~11 years now and have trouble losing weight, but everyone i've spoken to including doctors acts like it's basically just a willpower problem.
Googling "antidepressants metabolism" brings up a lot of sites saying that weight gain is a symptom of a lot of antidepressants. Apparently it is unknown exactly why they lead to weight gain, some cases are likely people who didn't eat much when depressed being able to eat again while one theory for others is that the effect on serotonin might slow down metabolism and/or cause a craving for carbohydrates. Apparently some antidepressants tend to cause more weight gain than others, and some are associated with weight loss. If you search "medical news today 319527" (the number seems to be the article number, can't post links in UA-cam comments) you'll find the article that lists them
Sorry if this comment is hard to understand, words are hard
What I don't understand is how people can get access to certain medication without a doctor's prescription. I live in Spain and maybe it's because I'm used to our system, but a pharmacy can't give medication without a recipe.
The easy answer is for people to get off social media like Instagram. Literally don't care what others are doing, just look after yourself the best you can.
Lol as if fat people get treated like humans anywhere else either
I agree!! I deleted instagram and immediately felt more confident and motivated!
So real I only use it for animal photos if I run into a model somehow I’m blocking
Well that depends on what you're feeding Instagram yourself. My own is filled with whimsical paintings, rescue animals, crochet tutorials and colorful fashion for bigger people…
Around the time Adele got thinner she was going through a really rough divorce and you could see her body slowly changing as more and more news outlets starting covering it. I feel like a combination of the stress of not signing a prenup, having to negotiate a fair split of her money, and figuring out the custody situation with her child along with being in the public eye was possibly a factor in her weight loss. I am the type to have no appetite when I'm upset or super stressed out to the point of significant changes to my figure so that's my personal theory. I completely agree that the changes we saw in stars like the Kardashians have pushed this forward. Once people openly started talking about their Ozempic use when they weren't diabetic or obese to begin with I knew we were cooked.
She did speak out about it around the time her divorce was finalized and she said she was spending crazy amounts of time in the gym because it helped stave off panic attacks.
She also said she did not have the energy to chase her child around when playing with him and she didn't feel healthy anymore. No better reason to focus on health/weight loss.
She also gave up alcohol and smoking if I remember correctly bc she wanted to be healthier
Oh please. Have you seen her magic diet smoothie that she was claiming helped her lose weight? (It’s totally unsustainable and she would have relapsed instantly if she was actually doing what she was doing)
No offense, but she totally was on ozempic, it was still very taboo at that time, so makes sense she would try to cover it up by making up these ridiculous stories about green smoothies, stress and hours in the gym.
It's both: hilarious and sad that we live in a time where every celebrity that gets thinner is automatically assumed to be using Ozempic.
The wide public is largely psychos.
Getting a hers semaglutide injection (made with the same active ingredients as Ozempic!) Ad during this video was CRAZY.
"it's not our business"
Yes it is. When they shame us into following their body standards, it's our business
I always love the way you talk about issues like this, Karolina. You're obviously super careful about your terms and research well so you know what you are talking about, but at the same time you're not afraid to be realistic because you know these subjects are important and frankness is crucial for understanding. And this is coming from someone who has been overweight all my life and, like you said, has tried and tried to change with healthy methods like dieting and exercise and lifestyle changes, but my genetics are not conducive to the kind of weight loss that gives me that celebrity body. I'm as healthy and hydrated as I've ever been and medically I'm (thankfully) doing great, but BMI tells me that I am obese. It's a scary thing to know that, for me, if I had money like these celebrities, I would absolutely be on ozempic if I thought it would work, at least until the side effects make me second-guess that decision. I'm afraid about where body expectations are headed. I don't want to go back to the early 2000's when I was severely bullied for being fat, and I don't have the genetics or the money to meet those expectations.
I think the trick is to stop imaging womens bodies as seperate from the woman and their personhood. I think if the public was forced to treat women as actual people, and idols are real people not just characters from stories we'd see a very different reaction to their changes. Also theres a huge amount of body shaming and issues in teh gay community my freind talks about what its like for him to be a fat gay guy with me sometimes and its crazy how mean people in the clubs can be to him.
Considering the costs of the drug, class is another factor at play here. Not much different to plastic surgery, only rich people can afford to achieve society's ideal beauty standard.
100%. As soon as Ozempic gets it’s patent taken away and a cheaper generic becomes available for the average person, being skinny will be “out of trend”. It’s what happened with BBL’s… As soon as it became something a lot of average people have access too, it loses it’s exclusivity and therefore it’s value in society🙄
@@bellalobela I doubt it. Compounded semaglutide is available online and it's a fraction of the cost of name brand. It's not going to go away.
I was on that stuff for about three months and the side effects were not good. Not to go into too much detail but I basically stopped digesting things and it got to the point where I wasn't eating. So, medical aside - yeah it worked to make me loose weight but it also really messed things up. Now, on the sociological side every time I go to the doctor they try to push me back on the stuff and I get a lecture about the negative effects of my weight and how I need to loose more immediately. Even though it says right on my chart that I'm dropping about 10lbs a month on my own through diet and exercise.
If what you say is true, switch doctors. Also, 10lbs a month is a lot.
Sounds like that doc is getting some kickbacks. I hope you are able to find a better one.
That's what happened to Sharin Osborne
2:38 "No matter how hard they try" is BS.
Some people are naturally more prone to retain weight, but with enough trying hard, it's absolutely possible.
I never said easy, but impossible is bs.
I don't think losing weight should be considered copping out of the "body positivity" movement.
*Body Positivity* should include ALL body types.
True body positivity should include changes to women's bodies like when they decide to lose weight.. because if "body positivity" actually meant what it's called then that shouldn't be an issue or ever percieved as a "cop out."
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I absolutely agree with loving your body even if you are overweight.
I am overweight myself and hating myself for it has gotten me nowhere.
However, I've always felt it should be more about loving your body *while* at least attempting to get to a healthier weight.
This doesn't mean you need to be super skinny or have a perfect body, but it also *shouldn't* mean promoting an unhealthy lifestyle and obesity, which I see a Lot of people doing.
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These more overweight celebrities can advocate for being bigger women in media And still get healthier at the same time.
Love the skin you're in no matter your size, but if you choose to want to make a change towards a healthier lifestyle and slim down that should be okay too.
I also agree it's wrong for celebrities to lie about how they lost the weight if that means giving false hope to their fans or whoever watching and especially selling some b.s. weight-loss product that they didn't even use themselves to achieve their new body.
Ozempic/semagluride is an appetite suppressant. If you dont naturally change your metabolism then once you stop injecting the drug your appetite will come back.
Exactly
It also slows down the digestive system... While food decomposes at the same rate. Ouch.
Ozempic does A LOT more than just suppress appetite. And "naturally" changing your metabolism is easier said than done, and making significant long term metabolic changes can be impossible for some people. But your point is still important, because like Karolina said, ozempic is a lifetime drug. Once you're off it, the changes it makes to your body disappear as well. A lot of people might rethink their options once they understand that. For others, needing to take it forever is really not an issue.
@@suchnothing changing your metabolism is really hard but not impossible. I was an anorexic binge eater who had to change my metabolism to be healthy. It took alot of dedication but its worth it if you can do it naturally.
Yeah, but if you aren't obese anymore you might find it easier to deal with.
You are speaking straight to my “won’t buy what they are selling” rebellious generation Xennial soul
I saw 'the substance' just yesterday and today this video showed up, I'm so in trend.
I just wish we could achieve a chill trend for once lol. Like idk, feeling good with our bodies and our clothes and stuff without having to feel awful for it. Its so crazy.
Feeling good about our bodies does not generate profit 🫠
Literally just watched that as well, so timely
The Substance gave me flashbacks of my childhood around the 90s/2000s and it was horrible. I really don't want to go back to that.
Or like, the ice bucket challenge! That was a great trend that donated a bunch of money to ALS research!
One thing they won't ever turn into a product is self-confidence and self-steem. They know that if people reach this level of happiness, they won't be making a penny. They want us insecure.
Body positivity means accepting yourself and not getting angry or hateful towards your body based off of its size. It doesnt mean you can't want to change, or be healthier. U can feel positivity towards ur body and try to look 'better' whatever that means for you, u just dont hurt yourself in the process
I think the important thing about this conversation that you touched on is the micro vs macro view. On an individual level people can do whatever makes them happy or healthy or whatever. But on a societal level, there are patterns and trends that come out of these micro decisions reflect greater societal attitudes that are concerns and unhealthy
Controversial statement: you don’t owe the world conventional beauty, health, or whatever god knows else, to feel good about yourself and love yourself and your body. I’ve been chronically ill and slightly chubby since the age of 5 and Ill be damned if anyone tries to make me hate myself and feel like I should be envious of someone else because they’re thin or whatever. I’m a goddamn hot cake and if anyone has a problem with that they can sit on a pinecone. The world doesn’t determine my value and beauty.
That kind of attitude seems terribly inconsiderate towards our poor beauty-industrial-complex! /s
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"sit on a pinecone" faaaar out I am laughing so much xD this is the absolute best!
Body positivity has never been totally achievable for me, even when I was in a larger body than now. Having a genetic joint condition that affects all my joints has made me physically disabled to a detrimental extent, with significant impact beginning in my early 20s. It's changed the course of my life in negative ways I'm still coping with, and it's like a cage many days of the year. Body neutrality has been the best approach for me. Like, "this body of mine exists, whatever, sure." I do appreciate the practice of body positivity, as it generally is a beautiful, warm way to look at the world. It helps so many people!
But the dynamics of the ozempic/body positivity combo is truely a fascinating one. I'm curious what the landscape of it will look like in 20 years.
Sorry to ask, but do you have EDS? Because same, and the number of times I’ve had “concerned” people who know nothing about the condition suggest that I lose weight (despite the numerous accounts of EDS symptoms becoming worse post-weight loss) is astounding.
Once Y2K styles started coming back I knew any progress we had made towards fat neutrality was going to be lost. Being fat back then was a nightmare and I'm so angry that another generation is being subjected to "nothing taste as good as skinny feels" and glamorizing thinness over actual well being.
Hi Karolina, I loved how you set up the camera and the style, the colors are on point. Love your channel. cheers from a Hungarian subscriber🥂
As a type 1 diabetic I'm angry for every type 2 diabetic who suffers because they can't get their needed medications, because of people who don't need it buy it for superficial reasons. 😠
oohhhh I have so many thoughts about this considering I survived having multiple eating disorders......I'm fat now but I am much healthier than when I was sick. I feel uncomfortable in my body 24/7 because of ADHD and body dysmorphia but it's better than being a prisoiner to eating disorders.
Mostly I want to say that I think it is crazy that the Kardashians for example, defined an entire "trendy body type" in 2016 with curvy bodies and BBL and now they can choose the new "IT" body by being on weight loss drugs. Imagine the scrutiny you are under and power you hold to be able to change the way people feel about themselves and make a body trendy. I hate it.
All we can expect is to find our own equilibrium. imo it's more important to be comfortable in your own head than your own body.
It seems we must always have an overarching social power structure that forces us to conform. Once it was the catholic church, now it's our media aristocracy.
Even with just the comments here, you can see this is a VERY polarizing situation (and all these things people are saying in the comments and elsewhere have been in my own head for a long time).
I have a chromosome disorder and one part of that is that it makes weight difficult to manage and it’s caused hypothyroidism and I have to take hormone medications. All that has added against me without even mentioning genetics. Im not diabetic, nor have I had bad bloodwork but weight has always been a concern. ALWAYS. As soon as ozempic was out I was told about it and offered it and it terrified me. I’m still not 100% sure why my gut reaction was to find it disturbing.
Multiple medical professionals have recommended it and I feel backed into a corner a bit.
I feel like medical professionals shouldn’t just think “obese patient+ ozempic=problem solved” as it’s not really that simple. Weight is insanely multifaceted and many many things factor into weight.
It’s helped lots of people which is great but it’s harmed people too and not helped people like me who’ve been told my whole life by doctors that I NEED to lose weight.
I 100% understand that gut reaction. I think it’s because so many terrible diet pills have been sold that it’s strange to see a weight loss medication that genuinely helps many people.
@@laurenconrad1799it’s probably because it was first pitched to me as “reducing your appetite” now that I’m thinking back
It sounds like that Dr didn’t put anywhere near enough thought into recommending this to you. I’m so sorry!
Your gut reaction was right. Quite a few people are developing gastroparesis (stomach paralysis!) from ozempic. I have a mild case from viral infection and it's still hell. Cause you wanna know what's not healthy? Cutting out most fruits, vegetables and nuts from your diet. It's common to develop GERD as a result too. It's slowly destroying my teeth and stomach lining. There's a lot more but it's just not a condition you want.
Wether or not its temporary (some say it is, some not), it won't promote a healthy lifestyle. And put you in a lot of pain.
Thyroid issues suck. My great-aunt had that problem. I was advised by several ethical medical professionals years ago never to take anything that hasn't been on the market at least a decade. So good for you, listening to your instincts. I hope you are able to stick to your decision and also find something that helps improve your health to the greatest possible extent.
Hi! I take Ozempic. I struggled for like 15 years with my weight. No matter what was I doing, I was only gaining weight. People who got to know me were often surprised that I am fat because "I wasn't living fat lifestyle". People think that fat people do it somehow on purpose. I have insulin resitance, which leads to diabetes. I am 100% sure it is genetic. My mom and all of her three sister struggle with diabetes. Basically if I don't manage my condition I will develop diabetes. I don't blame people want to lose weight because it is healthier. There are so many diseases that you are at risk. Moreover it just feels better. Not only psychologically, but phisically. Your legs don't hurt, you can walk, you can do all the sports and don't feel miserable. Even yoga is easier. Your back stops hurting. You don't feel tired allthe time. My life is so much happier right now. I wasn't depressed before because of my weight I just wanted to be healthy. But suprisingly, I am much happier.
You forgot to mention another component of the ozempic debate - the class divide - yes celebrities can afford it but for the vast vast majority, $300 a week is out of reach
when u said 'it is a lifelong drug once you start if you drop it' for a second i thought u were gonna say 'u will die' 💀💀
I'm two weeks post Ozempic. I'm a diabetic and my medication is covered by my insurance, so I don't have to pay out of pocket for it. I'm excited to get my diabetes under control because mine is genetically passed on and I've battled it all my life. This is my last hope to get it under control before I have to go on insulin. I'm wheelchair bound (not because of my weight, but due to a brain tumor) a lot of the time and I cannot work out. So over the years of dealing with my health, I have gained a lot of weight. When my doctor explained Ozempic to me two weeks ago, it sounded amazing. I can possibly get my diabetes under control, lose weight and possibly get some of my mobility back. It's a win, win for me if it works. Now everyone and their dogs are putting out videos on Ozempic and I feel like a lot of them are shaming videos. I feel like I'm being shamed for needing a medication and being able to get my weight under control at the same time, which will only make me healthier, in less pain, and possibly be able to help with my activity level. I've been battling my body to live for 7 years and for the second time, I have hope for my future (the first was the removal of my brain tumor and being cancer free).
It just sucks that now people just hate anyone on Ozempic. Like I can see being angry at the people who aren't diabetic who are making it difficult to get the medication in stock and I think Doctors need to stop prescribing this diabetic medication to people who aren't diabetic. There are two other names for the same drug that are labeled for weight loss, so they should be prescribed instead. On top of that, I think it should be treated like Bariatric Surgery, where you have to weigh a certain amount and fit specific criteria before the weight loss drug is prescribed. That way people who are already a healthy weight can't get ahold of this medication. And so people who are healthy but a little over weight can lose weight with exercise and diet, aren't getting ahold of this drug. The overweight rich can still get their weight loss drug without disrupting the supply of diabetic medication and the healthy, nono overweight population can't abuse a medication meant for diabetes or severe weight loss for obese people.
As for gaining back all the weight.... From what my doctor explained to me as we were discussing my options, she said if I didn't make lifestyle changes, the drug wouldn't be as effective and will cause horrible side effects. But if I stay true to my current diet (I have a prescribed diet before years now), I should be perfect and if I ever do come off the medication, I shouldn't gain the weight back. It's mainly people eating whatever they did before Ozempic, not changing their lifestyle that had them gaining the weight in the first place, and expecting to stay thin after coming off the medication. Unfortunately, it's the majority of people who are doing exactly that, who are complaining about regaining all their weight back. As far as Ozempic being life long... It's a *diabetic medication* ....of course it's lifelong for a lot of us, because our diabetes will never go away. Insulin is also a diabetic medication that is life long. The only people who are complaining are those who are using a diabetic medication, when they aren't diabetic. 😅 Or the weight loss label, without changing any of their bad habits or lifestyle, then are surprised they are gaining the weight back immediately. Make it make sense! 😂
Basically, if you are diabetic, take Ozempic if that's what you and your doctor decide on. If you're *not* diabetic, but obese, leave Ozempic (and the other label that I can't remember) alone and ask your doctor about the same type of drug that is labeled for weight loss only. Change your eating habits, your lifestyle, and you shouldn't gain the weight back after you come off of the drug. If you are able bodied, healthy, and just a little over weight or not over weight, *you don't need this drug* at all! You will have to change your diet and lifestyle anyway to keep the weight off after you stop taking it, so just do the work and you'll lose the weight without having to stab yourself in the stomach once a week. But most of all, people need to stop shaming diabetic people taking a diabetic medication. People need to stop shaming obese people for taking a medication for the obese. And people need to stop shaming everyone for what they look like...period. Whether they are skinny or obese, it doesn't impact your life whatsoever. If they were obese and used a weight loss medication to become skinny, it's none of your business. Just leave people alone and live your own life. 😋 Stay safe out there y'all. 🥰🫶🏻
Honestly basing your self esteem on the body status of a celebrity is toxic as hell and you should never depend on that. It’s important that everyone learns to love themselves independently not be always trying to be externally validated.
If body positivity is dying I think it's because it went to an extreme. Most folks straight up don't feel well when they're overweight and/or injected with a million different fillers. It was silly of body positivity to shunt those concerns aside in favor of vibes. It went from "don't hide in shame" and "stop being mean to fat people", a sentiment that any decent person can agree with, to "healthy at every size" and "losing weight is fatphobic", which is just stupid I'm sorry.
For a lot of people, the reason why they can't lose weight solely with dieting and exercising is because non-healthy every day habits are not the root cause ♥. The true question is: why aren't you treating yourself better? Why do you torture your body by not eating when your body doesn't need it? The reasons are often feelings of shame or fear that have never been digested. Once you've digested your emotions, and made the barrier fall between you and the outer world (a barrier of fat) , you will want to eat in a way that is healthy for you and develop habits to take care of yourself. So to have a healthy body, you first need a healthy mind ♥ That's why Ozempic is a bandaid on a bullet hole. Therapy should help. But it's not an overnight solution... I wish this was more widely spread. And to stop feeling ashamed of your body, body positivity is SO IMPORTANT. Because if being fat can be beautiful, then we'll all fear being fat way LESS => leading to treating ourselves right. Society impacts our minds so much!! Take care of yourselves the way you can ♥
👍👍 you nailed it saying that people will automatically direct hate at people instead of respect 🙁
Thank you for clarifying that there are two formulations of semaglutide (and tirzepatide, and likely future GLP-1s). Same drug compound but used differently to target different things. This also splits both the compounded market and “real” name-brand drug market in two, and seems to have helped ease access for diabetes patients, along with makers of GLP-1 drugs rapidly ramping up production and demand starting to slow. These drugs are no joke - not everyone can tolerate them. 0:58
The way I look at it, turning body shapes into trends to follow for looks is very damaging every single time.
People of all sizes and shapes shouldn't have to deal with daily critics and limits. That's very damaging to everyone. And they shouldn't have to be excluded of being represented as valid human beings.
Still, a better health status, that allows people to live longer and with higher quality of life, should be advocated for.
And I believe that using something that is at your reach to lose weight, if you're overweighted and know that increases your risk of a ton of diseases and of dying younger, is very valid. And that shouldn't go against them being valid human beings and their body shapes shouldn't be something to be ashamed for before and after weight loss. Rebel Willson being at risk of not getting jobs because she lost weight is as bad as people with obesity having a harder time finding them.
Meanwhile, there's no discussion on the fact that people using it to turn unhealthily skinny, people promoting their new body shapes as better, etc., is bad.
Besides, yeah, there's the whole discussion about the inequality of acess to the drug. But that enters more in the scope of inequality of access to healthcare
the thing with body shapes as trends to follow really is that it's not new. it's really old. the new thing is, that those body shapes are supposed to be made with your own flesh instead of structural undergarments and padding. when we ditched the bum pads, that's where we went wrong.
Hopefully. Whatever its initial intent, 'body positivity' as a concept almost immediately became toxic positivity and a glorification of obesity.
I don’t blame anyone for wanting an easy way to loose excess weight. But whatever shape or size we are we need to love ourselves.
I have a friend with serious chronic health issues and her doctor prescribed her ozempic. I'm so happy for her honestly, because for her the extra weight that she tried so hard to work off with diet and exercise but couldn't, was able to come off with ozempic and her body is overall better for it.
The way people talked about the third season of Bridgertons really showed a lot about society’s views on fat people, and it’s disappointing
As an older woman who has been obese her whole adult life & tried every diet known to man, I don't think I would ever do ozempic. That being said, when I got into my mid-late 50's I suddenly found myself with type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, 2 back surgeries. I am now 61 & my feet & ankles are constantly under attack from gout. Even on the days when the gout is absent my feet & legs are so swollen that I can barely walk. For any young person out there.....try to keep your weight at a healthy level. Life can be a living hell when you get older.
I mean, you basically sound like my mom and she only lost the weight when she got on ozempic. She's back to hiking now and is reporting that the weight loss solved most of her prior issues with joint pain
In general almost everyone prefers to be slim. So if they have an opportunity to loose weight they just go for it
Consider the language you're naturally using about weight loss: a "transformation," something these people have "achieved." Bodies change in lots of ways for lots of reasons, and losing weight is not always a signal that you have your "dream body" now.
These celebrities were never really body-positivity leaders (body liberation activists are doing the deep work we need), but what they did offer (that's genuinely sad to lose) is fat visibility and the idea that you can be not thin and have a happy, successful life. It's extremely weird not to see more body diversity among celebrities because body diversity is the only normal thing about bodies.
It is legitimately hard to live and move through society in a woman's body that's always changing shape in one way or another. (Usually for reasons related to medical conditions or phases.) I recently asked my doctor just not to tell me how much I weigh. It's too much of a mental burden, and I don't want to think of myself through the lens of a number.