Assassin's Creed - Why Did Shay Defect to The Templars?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Did Shay Cormac betray the Assassins, or did the Assassins betray Shay? What was the real reason behind Shay's journey from Assassin to Templar. In this video, we shall explore these questions.
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Achilles quote from AC3, " in your heist to save the world, make sure to not destroy it at the same time" meaning he learned from his mistake.
Awww sad
So this takes place before connor so how does this even fit in and y isn't shay in ac3
@@aaronmesser7482 no one knows why shay wasn't in AC3
@@aaronmesser7482 Shay was in Europe during AC3 I believe.
Shay didn't saw himself as a templar or an assassin. So i think he just quit
I'd like to mention that Shay never revealed the location of the Homestead to the Templars.
out of respect for achilles probably. Since he spares his life at the end
Do not compromise the Brotherhood. In his way he was honouring that tennet I suppose.
Fam he compromised the brotherhood alright. He took over assassins camps, killed dozens of their recruits, hunted and murdered his friends and he stole the precursor items from the assassins for the templars. That’s the definition of compromising something.
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE which is why I say in his own way. He fought them because he saw it as his duty but he never went back to the homestead at any point to finish the job. He left them to hobble along until Connor and Aveline would rise in the Frontier Brotherhood
That just shows that Shay didn't want to kill the assassins, he just wanted to do what's right
Assassins tenet: stay your blade from the flesh of the innocent.
Assassins: I mean...it doesn’t say anything about earthquakes.
The system works lmao
Hmm yes loophole
More like, Colonial Assassins:
I mean, an earthquake isn't a blade.
@@suicidalbunny1608 loopholes are the worst
“Shay the Templars are evil!”
“From my point of view the Assassins are evil!”
“Then you are lost!”
Well the meme doesnt work very well there, as the sith actually were evil, at the time the templars were more noble and good than the assassins in that area
Nooo...
It's: "Then you are shot ! "
Arcanus ツ the Templar’s are trying to enslave the world....pretty evil to me
Arcanus ツ they aren’t The Assassins are good guys it’s that Achilles and the others (Except Adewale) are Corrupt Assassins that’s why they work with criminals,Pirates,Smugglers,Bounty hunters,
@@howardthealien2606 so what you are saying... Is that the leadership of the assassins were corrupt... And yet... The assassins were the good guys... When they were corrupt?
shay left the brotherhood because he didn't like that they were moving to next gen.
Tachanka of chinchillas No I like next gen.
well if I said "shay left the brotherhood because he didn't like that they were moving to current gen" it would have half the impact now would it? it would just sound ridiculous
They caused a machine to destroy a city
No he left because they chose to leave him in the outdated last gen.
Darth Maul Quasar
Actually the assassins were trying to get pieces of eden
but actually were touching things that held up the world and made shay destroy a city
Then they didn’t listen to him so he tried to stop them
Shay then joined the templars to stop them
8:39: I don’t think Achiles was in denial. I think he genuinely didn’t know about the effects of the artifact, until he saw one himself. He even admit in the final mission that “Shay was right all along”
He says that Anchiles is ignorant to the turn of events later in the video. What Anchiles is denying, however, is the possibility that the precursor site and the subsequent earthquakes are directly related, hence his suggestion that Shay made an error.
He only realized later on and even then Liams says "What does he know?" and when Shay calls out on Achillis's bs the only thing Achillis says is "Disrespectful to the end"
@Alexander Brunnrgaard Achilles just sucked as a mentor and an Assassin then, lmao
@Alexander Anttila Actually, the way that conversation went is that no one knew if Mackandal’s man had even found the site to begin with, and so Adewale and Achilles surmised that the earthquake was a complete coincidence by that point. Had Mackandal’s man survived, he could’ve testified what these sites were long before Shay was ever sent to Lisbon.
It only took the destruction of his entire branch of the Assassin Brotherhood to show him.
When Shay says "this is my story", it wouldve been cool if the whole events of the game shay was telling the story to someone. That someone being Arno Victor Dorian. Then at the end of the game Arno has a choice to kill Old Shay or not
Nitch42 ^-^ or Connor
Nitch42 ^-^ Hmm, choose whether to kill the person who killed someone important to you or not. Sounds familiar.
Nitch42 ^-^ aye that would be sick
Well he was...kinda. Abstergo made a story out of it.
Why would he kill Conor, Punished Fernando?
This is why I love Shay. He does what is right, even if it means turning against his own brotherhood. And I do admit the Assassins at this period of time had some bad people leading the brotherhood
he then unintentionally caused the french revolution
Like trying to destroy the templars at any cost. Even destroying entire cities. By removing the devices
shay hale no homo tho
The Brotherhood in the colonial branch were lead by a grieving old man who is angry at what he has lost. His wife and child.
@shay hale 🤣
It breaks my heart to hear the pain in Shay's voice on the cliff when he says "One more hardly matters". He truly was the one who got betrayed.
The Assassins used to be more wise. I think that it all went wrong after Edward's death. Up until then then Assassins were more wise and were better at decision making. That's how I see it anyways.
DJ Double Donut yes and Achilles wasn't ready to be mentor yet, he wasn't wise enough
DJ Double Donut
They're all a bunch of dicks now, what do you think Altiar would've done in Achilles position. (rhetorical question)
It's the reason why Assassins almost gone during Desmond's era.
feyzal92 no, the reason was because the assasin was poor organization. templar have connection with lot goverment around the world, and they have abstergo.
madridista sejati Thank you Captain Obvious. I don't see how mine contradict the point of the OP was trying to make.
I think that Shay was on no one's side. The ONLY reason he joined the Templars was to stop the Assassin's and he never truly believed their goals
You don't just join people who want to enslave humanity...
That's why they called it Rogue. 😂
UA Sucka really? WOW!! Oh ok thanks for the info dude. 😀😮
If that were true, he wouldn't have stayed with the Templars for over 20 years after he killed his former comrades in order to find the Precursor box.
Mmm actually, I'm inclined to disagree. He is an Anti-hero, true. But he is a Templar True and True.
I like that it shows how far the brotherhood has fallen since ezios time, also it brings more meaning to Connor bringing it back
Not really brotherhood is still fine and well in edwards time as a pirate
I am pretty sure it was only this group of Assassins that have fallen. The colonial brotherhood was corrupt.
Not the brotherhood itself, just that branch.
Remember what balec said in ac unity about the grandmaster of the assassins in paris and the other places he mentions
Connor didn’t bring it back. His whole mission was one of misplaced revenge, not on order or peace. He was angry kid throwing a tantrum from the start of the game to the end. Not to mention he was rather rude to Achilles in a lot of the cutscene. Actually he was rude to a lot of people, and sure as shit did not know how to keep a low profile
"the right? We have the responsibility!" Doesn't that statement basically sum up the Templars from ac1 and 2? I like how AC rouge flipped the rolls of assassins and Templars now that the assassins are actually starting to use the power of Eden for their own gain
Either the assassins and templars are closer than they each think, both claim to seek peace and better the lives of the little guy yet both are willing to overlook the deaths of a few for the hypothetical betterment of the future.
Or
AC:Rogue has lazy story telling as seen in the assassins disregaurd of the lives of the innocent and aim to gas people indiscriminately.
It'd be more intersting if shey deffected because be changed his mind that humanity needs laws and structure and that throwing scociety into a tailspin by killing those in charge is not a productive way to solve the worlds problems and actually sets people back by forceing them to live in panic.
@@checkmate058 who asked
@@F.7159-d3v who cares
Q
Rolls lol
"It means obeying your mentor without question. How else will we ensure freedom for the human race?"
Hypocrisy much?
Yes
haha, Altair mentioned this hypocrisy once in one of his letters.
This whole game is essentially; “Watch for the poisons of hubris and self righteousness in the pursuit of the ideal. Lest you pointlessly endanger the lives of innocents or tamper in matters you do not understand. In so doing, you harm yourself irreparably.”
Dats deep
Who said that?
That sounds like a quote from a Bible verse
Well said 👏
@@Imakeplaylists-in1pw I was utilizing quotations as a means of focusing on my main point.
In Assassin's Creed 2, Altair mentions in his codex about how hypocritical it is for Assasins to preach free will yet have to follow elders to the letter. Shay, by becoming a templar, is both expressing his own and spreading more free will than when he was an Assassin, making him, ironically more of an Assassin than his peers
Fraser Souris never thought it that way
Yup
Or it exposes the assassins for what they really are: power hungry murderers
@@deaconcarter3459 yo facts. They are hypocrites to the max. Templars are douches but what they stand for is more important. Order is better than "freedom" aka chaos
@@spiderman9972 especially since we cant deny humans have so many flaws
Such a good game! It's a shame it wasn't opposite. Unity being a side last-gen game & Rogue being the next-gen game with twice the story content.
Minus the god-awful Unity stealth & combat!
it isnt awful every almost every assassins creed game is easy as hell since the combat is far far too easy stealth fucking horrible but then again i sorta of like it i dont know why though
It's amazing that a terrible launch can magnify all the negatives of a game and land it in the spot of infamy. I guarantee you that Unity would've been considered an ok/ decent AC title in many people's eyes if it launched properly. It did have so much potential
Cristian Lopez For real, it had 4 person online co-op for fucks sake. It was as if this game couldn't fail in any capacity from the start and then it launched..... Lol
Granted it was a hell of a lot of fun while we got to actually play it since it was so heavily fucked up in the beginning. But in the end you can only play like 5 maps, repetitive and still littered with bugs. I agree with you but you must understand the outrage when you buy a game and it's basically 90% of the time broken. But without the bugs and glitches it was decent, not the best story but definitely not the worst either.
hulkcrusher69 Oh I understand why people were and still are pissed about Unity. It along with Watchdogs is one of the reasons why nobody trusts Ubisoft till this day. I know they've done just as dumb shit before that too, but I've never seen as much cynicism towards them till all that happened in 2014.
it's funny how Achilles says: "Whoever controls the artefacts can access Precursor sites of power. We must recover them or none are safe" then later backs: "A person cannot start an earthquake." then shortly after want to blame Shay for said earthquake...
rogue was awesome but it would have been cool if instead of joining the Templars he became a lone gun and fought against both sides to protect the precursor sights
Two Ink that would've been badass.
Two Ink sounds amazing
Be the lone wolf and Connor will handle that Irish rogue
Two Ink he had to join the Templars so he could have the resources to fight the assassins
Unless he can create another group similar to brotherhood with the same resource and manpower. It will be impossible. Unless we westernise it a bit, where he suddenly go home and pull out a container under his bed filled a Ak-17 and assault musket. And also a dog that can filled your heart with love and the blood of your enemy. And hunt down every single one of them, spouting some one corny line to each assassins killed.
Yeah, it will be badass.
Shay: *Betrays and dismantles the Colonial Assassin Brotherhood and kills every member except one*
Fizhy: "Hmm... could just be some friendly Assassin banter"
That doesn’t give shay the right to kill Argos dad what did Argos dad do to him
Also Arno dad doesn’t even know shay and they crossed paths so how the hell does shay know know about him
@@therealbrendanc9905 who is Argos
Fizhy is either joking or as dumb as a rock.
@@therealbrendanc9905 probably because he had something to do with the colonial assassin
Playing ac rogue changed my faith in brotherhood
I also felt like I saw this in ac3, Connor felt immature and childish a lot of the time. Especially against the guy that wanted to buy the native land in order to protect it. Knowing what happens to the natives after the revolution really makes you think they were right.
I always stand with them they’re are different eras of the brotherhood some good some bad but this era they were greedy
True. You had to resort to extreme measures to save the assassins from their own stupidity and arrogance.
Well, honestly, i felt like the brotherhood was only bad in this game. They basically wrote the assassins like they would write the templars for other ac games. It felt a little cheap for me. But i know it’s a fact that the colonial brotherhood was actually the worst assassins compared to their more organized europeen counterpart.
simon delisle good point. But I think it works wonders for this game as it highlights at not all Templar’s are evil and not assassins are good.
The Assassins from AC Rogue reminds me of the Jedi Council in Revenge of the Sith.
And Shay reminded me of Anakin Skywalker.
Basically, it was their pride that brought them their downfall, and Shay was the truest of the Assassins.
I believe that Shay was right to leave the Brotherhood, although I wish that the game would allow us to spare the redeemable and they would possibly see that Shay was right all along.
This is my point of view.
Actually the entire story is similar to Star Wars, what u said was true and Connor is like Luke and Achilles is like obi wan and Shay is like anakin but haytham is more like darth Vader and Charles lee is kind of like Palpatine but not really
Oweeen it makes a lot of sense like that actually
Except Shay is not a retard.
"In my point of view the assassins are evil"
Sevendor yeh lol after Shay got shot off of a cliff
this generation of Assassins are just full of assholes on high pedestals, no wonder it fell apart. They forgot the humility and basically all of them became Altair at the start of AC1, with Shay and Adewale being the rare exceptions.
I'm honestly surprised the assassin's even managed to survive in the Americas with such reckless management. They didn't even bother to entertain the idea of what Shay was spazzing about. I understand his reason why he was fuming, he got a lot of innocents killed because of the Creed, because he believed and trusted them, but they clearly failed, so instead of kicking him out of the house like a dog right away, they should've tried to calm him down and hear what he has to say. When someone is overreacting like that out of the blue, they're not just doing it for fun, Shay clearly had a reason, so why not swallow your pride and listen to the newbie assassin, you could've saved yourself so many problems if you Just listened.
It took the Creed's near extinction for them to listen to Shay, that's how goddamn stubborn this Creed was.
I think Edward's generation had more order despite being full of Pirates.
The one time I felt bad for taking out these Assassins was with Adewale and that's because of black flag, specially when he talks about Edward and the respect he still has for him. That shit hurt.
Laughing Octopus, I totally agree with you. What you just pointed out I concluded after I played the game myself long ago. If you have any more opinions I would like to hear what they are.
And Laughing Octopus I too wish that Achilles listened to Shay. So many things would have indeed been different.
Laughing Octopus I completely agree but it would be better if you replace Creed with brotherhood in "How stubborn this creed was"
achilles got less then he deserved he's lucky haytham didn't kill him.
Adewale talked about respect for Edward? Shit, I forgot about that.
Essentially, Achiles was an incompetent leader
In AC3 it does show he learned from his mistakes
He was basically Connor, which is why he was so critical of Connor in AC 3. He was trying to get connor to avoid from making his own mistakes.
No, just a poor defense of shay.
@@Amadeus-ni3et look who is right here, an fanboy of the brotherhood that does shit constantly in the Americas
i'm pretty sure if they could
Altiar,Ezio,Bayek and Amunet would all come back from the grave just to give Achilles a scheme booting and a lesson in how to mentor
True fact bro ezio would treat him better n Edward maybe altiar
Too bad he's dead for 300 years or so
precursor sites are not edward's licking manner to find
Its altair
I actually kinda like Shay's motto. It shows he's confident in himself to "Make his own luck."
Keep in mind Shay's goal was to cripple the Colonial Brotherhood not to eliminate them (until Connor arrive and basically rebirth the Brotherhood again) so they can reflect and learn that Assasins are the protectors and hope of the innocent because at the time during rouge they become so "power hungry" and basically stray from one of the key points of their Creed
Shay was a better assassin than the others at this time
TheTop10guy IMO i think he takes the rules of the brotherhood more seriously than the others.
AmazingGaming true
TheTop10guy That's why most of them were killed.
TheTop10guy well yeah he killed em all
TD Shay is to OP for the Brotherhood. That is why Shay is a Templar.
If Rogue was another sequence or 2 longer it would be in my list of tip top best AC games. It ends too soon
TotallyToonsTV yes it does
Agreed. They could've made it at least 8 sequences like Freedom Cry and Liberation. Both were short in relation to AC3 and AC4, but the games felt long, the stories were intriguing, and Aveline and Adewale along with Connor were probably the only Colonial Assassins with their heads on straight.
Lukas Tran Well, it came out the exact same day as A.C. Unity, but I remember not even knowing Rogue existed until I went with my brother to buy Unity. Sure, there were videos and trailer on Ubisoft' s channel, but I didn't know about them until after I bought it...not much marketing effort. Seems to me Ubisoft put most of their attention on towards Unity and treated Rogue as the ugly stepchild.
I think they missed a great opportunity to use Rogue as a transition from PS3. The story itself is the best part of Rogue, because it ties up a lot of loose ends in the AC storyline in the Americas, and presents Shay as a transitional link between AC3, AC4 and Unity. They could have done the same thing 2k14 did, put out Rogue at an earlier date, lengthen the story to 8 sequences (like they did with Freedom Cry and Liberation). This would hold a lot of people over until Unity came out. But I guess they wanted to focus on Unity.
There's a phenomenon called the "Hero's Cross", where the hero and the villain share 1 unique thing in common: each thinks they are the other. The villain thinks he is the hero, the hero worries he is the villain.
This isn't just a comic book cliche, it's a real life phenomenon. The term Superman didn't come from America, it came from Germany. The Nazis clearly thought what they did was right and good.
People rarely commit acts of evil for the sake of evil.
@Chandler Burse more than most countries. George Washington was scared of corruption in the government, so much, he didn't trust himself. Hence why he refused kingship and went with a presidency. The constitution was also created to feature in the nesscary distrust of politicians. Hence why the first amendment is the 1st amendment and why the second amendment is the 2nd ammendment.
During the Pacific theater in America dropped leaflets warning of pending destruction of their country. They didn't want to target civilians, but the Japanese were so fanatical as to completely erase their own civilian status.
Don't forget the numerous anti war protests all through the country's history.
Its actually quite amazing how Achilles changed from rogue to AC 3. Humbled and a fair teacher of Connor. Even though he refused to teach him initially because of the mistakes he made as the brotherhood's leader. Yet somehow redeems himself in AC 3.
I just realised the assassins and templars are football hooligans trying to win and always putting down the other team even if they are right
True lol
"I make me own luck" This man is an Irish badass incarnate
Yeah. If you dig into Shay's roots you will see he is in fact irish.
@@matthewmclean4388 yep
Oh i thought he was Welsh
I thought he was a Scotsman from Glasgow
He has a bit of a wierd Irish accent and I'm Irish
I disagree with "a simple hello would suffice" He was an hour late for training, He needs to be reminded, just saying HI like nothing happened sends the wrong signal , like its ok to be slack, (only got to this part of the vid,so I am sure more comments to follow ) :-)
They said one hour while in rela life we justblate for like 10 minutes
Well, he was chopping firewood for Achilles before heading over to the training grounds. I'd say that was a required task before training.
@@omarstephenson7000 maybe he could have woken up earlier to do that?
@@muratkahraman8313 I'm pretty sure that there were other house chores for Shay to do before chopping firewood.
That doesn’t excuse the constant jabbing and passive aggressiveness of Hers
God Damn I wish you could wear his Templar outfit with the hood up. In the thumbnail it’s so awesome.
been thinking this since the game came out lol
The 11th century Templar armor also has a hood that doesn't function. Oh the humanity.
I love Shay, I feel more identified with him. And the game is just amazing.
Me too
I'm like shay cormac as well, and I knew my family is corrupt like the colonial assassins, and I tried to get them to try to talk things out with people and to change their ways of living, but my mom is too stubborn with guilt-tripping gas-lighting toxic positivity combined with the way she tried to put me on meds against my will. Sooner or later, I will leave my family so I can make a New one and see what my life may truly be in an attempt to get people, if properly motivated in their own terms, to protect human liberty and the exercise of free will. That is the true mark of a leader
Proof that neither faction is exempt from corruption. There is no 'bad guy', just sides. Although, I think the Templars are ultimately right. Unbridled freedom leads to chaos, because people are not good by nature.
I didn't say that Templars are incorruptible - I said they had the right idea. Big difference. You think it's disgusting to control society, even if that control brings about a utopia. I think it's disgusting to let people continue to make the wrong choices and perpetuate suffering when there's a better solution. Freedom is only good when it has boundaries, and in this case it's worse to let people destroy each other than to institute some control.
*"You assume people are incapable of making the right choice and you want to make that choice for them."*
And you assume letting people continuously make the wrong choice will lead to a better outcome. There's a word for that... Freedom above all else sounds noble until that freedom leads to things like despotism, wars, and genocide - the very things you disdain. Templars are not above corruption, but at least they have a code and recognize the world cannot naively fix itself. Compared to the alternative, yes, some form of control is necessary, maybe not to the extent the Templars believe is necessary, but I agree with their philosophy.
*"You assume that you can just fix the worlds problems by giving a select few the monopoly of power."*
Aren't you also assuming world problems can be fixed by giving people freedom without a leash? If you think a select few with power is bad, what does a whole people with it look like? A people left unchecked and to themselves is just a recipe for anarchy.
*"You should read a history book because you sound exactly like what fascists and communist espouse."*
I've read a little about the Dark Ages.
*"Freedom doesn't equal anarchy."*
Not if it's curtailed.
*"In the US, we have freedom but also laws."*
And there's still crime, murder, corruption of all sorts, sexual degradation, diseases, abortions, financial enslavement, etc. The Templars wish to rid the world of these woes, even if by absolute rule, peace is rather to be desired by it then waiting, naively believing men will change their nature. How many bodies do we let stack up in the meantime while we're waiting for this supposed global, lasting enlightenment?
*"Many people make good decisions and you would punish them by taking away their liberty."*
First, it's not punishment to protect people from themselves. Second, people you say who make good decisions only make them because they have to. Any opportunity that is given where they know they can get away with it Scot-free, as it were... 9/10 will choose to break the law. Society (people) is/are only good when there are consequences. Without rule and order humanity shows its true nature. The great lie is that humanity is good at its core and its chief desire is to want to spread goodness to others. Wrong. Humanity is selfish, wicked, rebellious, and murderous. This state of decay cannot be cured by patience, time, and least of all freedom.
*"Every time in history where a government has attempted what you
Advocate for it had turned into a oppressive dictatorship!"*
I'd say that's probably right over the procession of time, but there have been times of dictatorial rule where civil progress was achieved and advancements were made. You had 'Pax Romana' under Augustus Caesar, you had Salazar of Portugal, and Josef Pilsudsky of Poland. There's also Lee Kuan Yew, Prime Minister of Singapore. The idea that dictatorships are bad because they're dictatorships & therefore they're bad is ridiculous. Under the right leadership dictatorships can be quite beneficial, and history does show this.
The Templar Order seeks to establish peace & prosperity as well. While their methods are, granted, extreme at times, I feel the ends really do justify the means. If some must die in order for billions to be saved in the long-run, how great is that sacrifice then? If the only way to save and elevate humanity is to control it... so be it.
*"Without our freedom we Are nothing."*
So it's alright for millions to be slaughtered in droves as long as we have freedom?
*"If you think that giving complete control of everything and everyone to a small elite or single person is moral And good then you are completely insane."*
*IF*, and only if that single person or that oligarchy is beneficent. This is why I partly take issue with the Templars. I agree with their goal, and I share a bit of their philosophy, but they are under the same capacity for corruption as anyone else.
*"You'll never stop murder or any other crime."*
It's possible with the artifacts.
*"For you to say that dictatorships can be good shows how warped your way of thinking is."*
History has shown they can be... Like I said, you need the right individuals in charge.
*"All the Templars want is power over people."*
A good deal probably do, but there are those who believe in making the world better as well. Like I said, they are corrupted.
*"Your way of thinking had lead to only death and oppression."*
And here I've been telling you that all along...
*"Personal freedom and liberty is the most important thing in the world."*
Why? And don't say because freedom. Freedom is only beneficial when it isn't taken to the extreme, and when you have people doing anything they please, all it does is invite problems. And when you look into history, what do you see? Wars, death, famine, rape, theft, etc. The posterity of freedom is suffering.
*"Absolutist rule is a crime against humanity."*
Absolutist rule in and of itself isn't a crime; it's what you do with that rule that determines whether the outcome is positive or negative, and whether it should be judged or not, if it can be.
**grabs popcorn*
I wanna play this so bad now. My favorite stories are from the “villains” perspective.
have you read artemis fowl (keyword being read)
Like the movie Joker
NFL YoungBoy i actually didn’t love that movie too much, it was definitely a good movie but i thought it beat you over the head a little too much with how sad arthurs life is by literally beating him over the head in multiple scenes😂 but the scene with de niro makes the whole movie. And yeah that would fit into the villain stoty criteria definitely.
sawy sauce yea I understand what your saying but the movie Joker was actually real life scenarios where there are people who dislike there mothers and the government does actually cut funding for those programs and much more.
NFL YoungBoy yes i know. God i know what the movie was about it doesn’t mean it entertained me. Im sorry but im just exhausted by people who are like “no no no no you just didn’t get it child” i got it, it was fine 7/10
Another thing we can't forget is how shay acted before we actually see his story, maybe he was one of the worst in the brotherhood and didn't show much skill as an assassin but he just didn't see it fit to give it all you can in training, cause with the events played out in the game, the assassins learned real quick how skilled shay truly was and ultimately understood he felt the way he did, in a way shay made the brotherhood stronger and showed them that their beliefs did have flaws, the story does a good job making us understand that the assassins aren't always the good guys, and will do whatever is needed to have more resources in the fight against the templars, but that's just my opinion on Shays story and the games that follow after this
Not good to mock a frenchman?
*Laughs in British*
Laughs in German BLITZKRIEG
@@buildawall5803 laughs in trafalgar
You do remember that the British got their asses kicked by the French during the Revolutionary war right? Not to mention they barely won the seven years war.
Laughs in carving up their shite empire and saving them in WW2
@@glowhoo9226 wrong. But okay
* Shay accuses Achilles of tricking him into starting an earthquake that kills thousands of people *
Fizhy: Why Did Shay Defect To The Templars?
It seems the assassins don’t appreciate/ respect their “brothers” unless they have mad undeniable skill and prowess on the battlefield, and constantly kiss their mentors ass. Not to say that there isn’t corruption on both sides as well as nobility on both sides
If you look closely at The basement of Achilles's House, you cna see Shay's Robe which means Shay came back at the Brotherhood
Or they killed him and took his robes as a trophy
@@NegaGandhi nah maybe if you die to a assassin or maybe they found it or made a copy
@@NegaGandhi they can never kill me
This was an interesting take on Shay's story, but yeah, I figured the whole miscommunication was the biggest catalyst to him defecting. 😐
Wow, never played Rogue or watched the cutscenes but seeing this makes me want to.
It's fun
And of course Connor doesn't get told about these events... it would be interesting if Conno and Shay came face too face and Shay giving his side of the story
The Assassins can't always be the good guys just like the Templars can't always be the bad guys. I believe Shay betrayed the Assassins because they crossed a line with tampering with the precursor site in Lisbon which caused total destruction of Portugal which made Shay defect to the Templars
this is why I hate rouge all the assassin's had to do was listen to Shay and respect him a little more, it makes me wonder if the assassin's are truly the heroes
Booker Dewitt no they aint
Booker Dewitt well shay was acting just like anakin in Star Wars, an entitled overly emotional brat that was too cocky for his own good. Neither one were exactly innocent
Dakota M yea, that's why I said neither one is innocent
Booker Dewitt Who told you that the assassin's are the heroes of the franchise?
they aren't in my opinion
When Shay said one more hardly matters😭😭😭
He should've just told the teacher
Marcus Blackburn he did, but he was too stubborn to listen, and they kicked him out of the manor, after he told the brotherhood what happened
i think its both mistakes, achiles was too stubborn and didnt ask what the hell is going on, but shay also too emotional when confronting achiles.
Well, seeing as how Shay single-handedly caused one of the deadliest earthquake in history, a 9.0 earthquake, killing up to 100,000 innocents, and knowing that your superiors already knew about the same thing happening in Haiti, and sent you anyway...yeah, I'd be upset too.
madridista sejati its more of a PTSD or whatsoever. But the point is that we will indeed lose our shits when we caused an earthquake, killing thousands of innocents.
Yep, hence what Achillies said to Connor in AC3 On how he should not destroy the world whilst protecting it.
god i want to play rogue
Peder Rudi Play it, it's good. Narrative's good, gameplay's like Black Flag.
Peder Rudi
If you have 360 you can prolly find it at gamestop. if youre on Xbox One its in the Xbox store.
Its a fantastic video game play it
Al C ye but rogue has pengiuns and bf not
Problem is that the game is very glitchy, even for an Assassin Creed game, and the campaign is short. Besides that, the game is actually fairly decent
Why do y’all say Shay is “Rogue” yeah it’s the title but he’s literally a Templar thru and thru by the end
He doesn’t really care about Templar beliefs. He only joined them to take care of the brotherhood.
He went rogue lol
@@Nebularban I would agree with you if he stopped at the colonial assassin's but he kept killing members of the other brotherhoods as well. He is a Templar, don't sugar coat it lol
Apom Taylor Well people have to keep doing what they do best,either way the assassins are quite the hypocrites if you think about it
Nebular he literally spends 25 years tracking down the precursor box, located it, kills Charles Dorian because he was in possession of it, states in the epilogue “I follow a new creed now”, considers himself a Templar, and you think he “doesn’t really care about Templar beliefs”?! Dude did you even play rogue???
16 years, my bad. I had my dates mixed up. He spent 16 years tracking down the box. Still a very long time.
I think the quote "you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" relates to both individuals and groups of people in power. Because there always comes a point where they become corrupted either through laziness or simply dismissing the tenants they were supposed to stand by
There should probably be another faction. One that consists of the likes of Shay. Because I feel like he's different from Assassins and Templars. He's like a Grey Jedi.
Lol Shay didn't have to join the Templars tho. He could've just gone to another country to train. Mayve trained by Charles Dorian?
Dooky or he could just be vigilante stopping assassins and templars.
AmazingGaming Yeah
Dooky Yea but the Templars have way more resources than the assassin's and with those and his assassin skills he knew it would be so much easier to stop the idiot assassin's from doing what they were. plus, throughout the first half of the game he was questioning his morals and wondering if maybe the Templars were right
Cryptic Calypso Assassins have way more knowledge. Them specific Assassins broke two rules of the creed. It's not like all Assassin branches broke it.
He was excommunicated in the brotherhood
He technically defects from the Templars as well and becomes his own faction
J.D. Mack no, he does not
Even in the lore it says that he becomes a senior templar
headcanon?
he became a fkin master templar
Long story short:
Shay believed that the assassins were trying to save the humanity by using the pieces of eden but he was wrong. The main assassins who were kesegowasse, Hope, Liam and achilees had everyone under their arm including shay and they were hypocrites. They said that they want the pieces of eden to save humanity by hiding the pieces from the templars . Shay believed in all of this, he did their errands but once he was given a mission to go to lisbon and get the piece of Eden. As he held the piece of eden in his hand, the entire city started to collapse resulting in destroying Libson completely. Shay went to the other assassins to tell them about this but all of them were against shay and thought that Shay was making things so he got shot in the back ..
After about a decade , Shay woke up in the house of finnegans and they basically cured him by giving him medicine etc.... Later, the french came in to the house of the finnegans to take some money etc.... Shay was badly injured yet he still fought the french in the house ... The man of the house ( i forgot his name) gave shay his gear back . Shay equipped all of it and returned the favor by capturing the stronghold of the french.. Along capturing the stronghold, he met a person called monroe who was a templar as well... They got to know each other better and they both had the same goals, Saving the humanity... Shay and monroe got along and did whatever necessary to stop the assassins... They suceeded but monroe died.... Then Shay met with Haytham and together they finally stopped the assassins.....
Hope this helps
I think this is a great breakdown but I have one issue. I believe Liam shot Shay because they (The Assassin's) needed the manuscript and therefore didn't want him to jump off the cliff with it. However it does show that Liam, who was supposed to be his best friend cares more about the brotherhood and blindly follows them without questioning what they're actually doing, that can be said for all of them except Shay.
Nothing is permitted doesn't really mean you can do whatever nothing is true from what I've learned means to not follow your faith blindly
Ironic how shay, who ends up joining the "bad guys" is actually the only selfless protagonist, altiar was a jerk, ezio mainly started for revenge, conner also for revenge, Edward cared more about fortune instead of family and the fyre twins wanted to prove themselves. Shay killed his friends and sacrificed everything just to save the world
Well, Conner said that being confused is a good thing to the liberation protagonist, saying she’s on the right path, to some meaning
You forgot Arno, which I'm curious to see your take on tbh
@@joaobarroso9502 arno may be an exception, he lost everything and still thought to stop the revolution and save lives, but ultimately failing. He and shay are simuar with the main difference being 1 has to stop his friends and 1 lost all his friends
Rouge is probably the best Assassin's Creed. I know it's my favorite.
Demonwolf570 Neat! My favorite is AC III.
My favorite Assassin's creed is II
I haven't played ac 3 but I want to if they remaster it
You need to experience the real Assassin's Creed games.
@@ecvjtv2778 Everybody has their own choice. respect it.
I find this tragic. Technically, Shay was trying to follow the Creed and felt that death was punishment for what happened in Lisbon. In other words, Shay didn't betray the brotherhood. The brotherhood betrayed Shay.
Rogue = one of the best AC games imo
story was fun shame it was so short
Clearly you haven't played 2 and black flag
@@bitumenroad4648 he said one of the best assassin's creed games he didn't say The best
@@edgyomellete0121 dude, rogue is a poor man's black flag
It doesn't stand close to 1,2, black flag and brotherhood
@@bitumenroad4648 that's you're opinion.
this whole video, just some friendly assassin banter XD
I have one theory for ac rogue, i feel like the events in rogue never actually took place, in the first sequences youll learn that a virus broke out in abstergo entertainment
The cause of this was a file called shay patrick cormac, what if tht file was purposely created by a templar to fool the user( guy ur playing ass in modern time) to see the perks of being a templar and how good some templars can be, which is why in previous and future games in the series, there really isnt any reference for shay cormac. Ofc its just my opinion pls dont hate😋
Skyrimadik15 damn,this actually make sense
Skyrimadik15 good theory
A quite good theory but only Ubisoft knows the truth
Unless its the only one they didnt change
sounds legit
Tbh, Shay is a better person than most the assassins in the game,
I mean in a mission, assassins literally pickpocket a civilian,
Not to mention that they already killed how many civilians to find the so called “artifact”
Do more like this and I'm likely to subscribe.
However, the reason that Shay defected was because it was what a lot of fans wanted, and ex assassin turned templar. It was a request on the forums for years, so ubisoft did it. The game was purely fan service, which in this instance, wasn't a bad thing.
Also, because the script said so.
There's an in-story reason though. Haha
Probably why they made it, length-wise, the bare minimum instead of fully fledged - if they did Rogue because they wanted to, not because the fans ordered it, that might have been different
i Like that and it had Merit it's not a good guy it's not a bad guy it's The fan's like myself wanted i don't know about everyone else but i get tired of biasd about the assassins as being portrayed as good guy's and give the templers a bad name it's about time that we play as The templers because they are pretty cool and they have the cool iron cross logo and our own identity and we didn't have to deal with Desmond miles and all that hu
hollihoops
I think it has to do with Ubisoft wanting to shift away from the templars being just the bad guys
You're reading into this more than I read into Macbeth for my English Literature GCSE.
Grammar Nazi lool
lol
Nobody:
Lady Macbeth: "UNSEX ME HERE"
Lmao ikr
You can hear the sadness in shay’s voice when he is next to the cliff
I know this is an old post and i haven't played this one as I'm playing black flag. I thought you did a good job and with a little bit of humor.
And the same argument you said in favor of Shay can also be said in favor of Achilles.
Instead of thinking that Achilles might not be knowing what happened , Shay directly blamed Achilles that he knowingly did that, and killed millions.
In my opinion that's a more severe blame than thinking one is not capable enough.
Shay defecting to the templars make no sense.Think about it he defected because he accidentally killed alot of innocent people right.But why wouldn't he set out on his own joining the templars makes no sense because when you kill innocent people as shay you don't lose sync meaning he killed those innocents for no reason in his lifetime.So you kill your former friends and mentors because you killed innocent people by accident just to join an order where you'll kill innocent people?Now how does that make sense?That's like leaving the marines because you killed some innocent people in iraq just to defect to isis so that you can kill innocent people in iraq.
Miley Hodges Lol. Exposed.
He joined because he thought that what the Assassins were doing would bring the world to chaos. Plus yeah you could kill normal people and not lose sync because they were just parts of the situation that you could kill. like animals
When I finished the game I loved it when Achilles admitted that Shay was right about the artifact and that he had a good reason to do leave them
says a lot when I felt even vindicated hunting and killing assassins' as shay almost as much as ezio killing templars. loved rouge btw underrated entry. and great video.
The first minute wasn't exactly accurate. It was most definitely banter. The UK prides itself with taking the piss out of people, even best friends.
I wonder what happened…perhaps the folly which lead to the assassin’s downfall in Laserhawk started with the betrayal of Shay.
Failing to bring kindness to their youth.
The templars either sniffed out that he was a weak link & saw an opportunity or Shay was born to Templar parents so they saw him as one of them, an insider agent, a snitch.
I wonder what would go on in bayek's head when he sees what his brotherhood has become.
Shay's story is so tragic, he had to kill all the people he cared about because of the foolishness of Achilles who put everything and everyone in danger.
If all Templars were like Shay, Haytham, Colonel George Monro, Elise De La Serre and her father, and if all Assassins were like Altair, Ezio, Connor, Bayek and Basim, then the conflict between Assassins and Templars would come to an end.
Great video amazing points assassins creed Rogue is one of my favourite games and this video had great points
Pandadoes gaming Rogue is one my favorites too. This video reminds of why I loved it so much and also makes me regret selling it to GameStop after upgrading to Xbox One.
When he said 'banter' i was happy bc in English we learned that n i said when would i ever need this word.. now a 2 year old videos showed me i needed to know it
Assassins creed is a series of missed potential. Rouge probably more than the rest.
Why did shay turn? Because a temple was boobytraped and that made him sad.
Shay was unhappy cause Achillies sent him there without any knowledge about the temple or that it might be booby-trapped which resulted in deaths of around 100 thousand people and then blamed Shay for everything and didn't even bother to hear him out when he returned.
@@downhillfriday4118 yep. Its a shame cause rouge and unity are two of my favorite games.
The assassins champion chaotic freedom over peaceful intrapment. Imagine instead in rouge the assassins tasked shay with killing a regional duke of something and setting the area free. Then in the aftermath of the targets demise chaos unfolds in the streets and shey seeing chaos for the first time regrets it and starts working with the templars to buy property and librate the districts from gangs and set up routs of naval commerse.
The assassins creed game formula fits better with a templar game. Buy property and invest in badass gear seems something a templar would do to show off wealth and power.
An assassin should be hideing in plain sight wearing clothes of commonar and killing reagonal captins in the form of shadow of moredoor nemesis system.
Tf
4:46 “Everyman deserves to know a bit of kindness.” How come they have forgotten such?
Assassin Creed: the revenge of the Templar.
@Enzo Rafael Souza Silva I'm a secret agent give information for exception people.That all your need to know.
Should I say "May the Father of Understanding guide us" or what?
This game showed us the dark side of the assassins order, and also showed us the bright side of the templar order.
With hope i would of seen that as flirting and busting balls lmao.. thats why the rest of the assassins pissed... they just aint getting dat ass.
lmao
For those who defend Shay, maybe some bad decisions were made by assassins, but the thing is, Altair was betrayed by his grand master, yet he didn't defect to templars. Instead, he focused on solving the matter and curing the plague that took over assassins. Templars did save Shay, but why? They certainly didn't do it out of their own kindness. They knew he'd be a valuable resource to them and decided to save him, which was actually true.
To quote Razer from Green Lantern: The Animated Series, "I do hate the Red Lanterns for what they made me... but that doesn't mean I've stopped hating Green Lanterns. It just means I have more people to hate."
For insight, just because the Assassins were bad during these times doesn’t make the Templars good.
Shay - The Darth Vader of Assassins
In the 3rd assassins creed, they say Connor is the first native American assassin.....what about the dude in rogue?
Hope reminds me of a drill Sargent. Always putting you down no matter how good you are.
This game made me hate the colonial brotherhood even more than I already did with how poor it was in Ac3.
Connor actually did a pretty decent job after the events of AC3. It’s likely that the Templars seized power again maybe around the time of the Civil war or WW1
Connor did a good job. He pulled the Brotherhood back to his roots and made the wrongs in the past right. Achilles was not a bad person but he was a very unfit leader. He misunderstood the Creed and misused his position, he never listened reason or try to do things rational. He did become humble and more wiser in AC 3 but he still had that ideology of blaming the Templars for their downfall while it was not Haytham or Shay fault. It was clearly Achilles own fault and he manipulated Connor into killing his own father which I understand but Achilles dismissed the reunion between them and he kept telling Connor that his father is a dangerous man to the Brotherhood. So its sad how Connor did a decent job and restored the Order but at the cost of both his parents and friends. All could of been avoided if Achilles did not manipulate him and atleast give Connor a chance to unite with his father but Haytham was also at fault because he could of killed Charles then it will all be over. That's why I like Rogue, it brought more sense, lore and meaning to me about what the Templars and Assassins positions are to one another and why AC 3 did happen.
This is the only game in the series I haven't played wish I had but now that I know a switch version is coming out I'm happy
I've gotten the switch version and it is actually so far a very good game, so I really recommend it!
Damn, look at Shay's belt at @4.33, its just like one of the medallions collected from the members of Order of the Ancients in Assassin's Creed Valhalla.
13:17 Small bit to note here is Liam, by not only his own account but also by what we see throughout the rest of the game, does not miss his intended target. If Liam truly wanted Shay dead he'd have shot him down there and then. Instead he calls out his name, with clear undertones of the sorrow for what he's about to do.
Remember that Liam and Shay were actually best friends.
Liam truly cared and did not want to kill his friend, but also did not want to betray his Brotherhood/Mentor
Liam, knowing the fall most likely wouldn't kill Shay decides in the heat of the moment to essentially give him the benefit of the doubt, so to speak.
He fires into a vital spot, which when coupled with the fall will most definitely put Shay in a near-death state but he'd remain alive while outwardly convincing the other Assassin's that he's no longer a problem. What he didn't do was fire into a mortal spot, which would guarantee Shay's death, which as we've already had hinted to us up to this point but gets driven home later in the game, he was entirely capable of doing.
Sorry for the small read, Rogue actually happens to be one of my favorite AC titles in the series and it's largely due to the level of detail that went into the story as well as the interpersonal relationships of the characters throughout.
*edit to add*
I know this comment is uber late, but oh well.
Also a small side note, while Shay does eliminate his former Chapter, he left Achilles alive but left him knee-capped. The events of AC3 with Connor AND Unity with Arno take place immediately (well Unity....sort of...) following Rogue.
Achilles throughout the entire game walks perfectly fine until the end, when he eventually meets Connor he's obviously older and now walks with a cane.
As for Arno
(spoiler alert if you haven't finished Rogue/started Unity read forward at your own risk)
Shay was the one who killed Arno's father at the start of Unity. It's literally the last story mission for Rogue, there's no disputing it.
Liam didn't actually shoot him. The chevalier shot at him. He really stands on a rock in the estate on Liam's left hand. But most importantly, Liam himself talks about it when the Assassins and Templars meet at the last tectonic temple in the North.
It’s kinda funny now that I’m older, I find myself siding with the Templar’s view of peace more than I do the Assassin’s. It’s 2020 and it feels like chaos right now and I think that’s exactly how the Brotherhood would want it. No real peace, no real order. That all sounds cool when you’re younger and don’t have a family, but life has a way of changing your perspectives.
This was excellent, more indeed
I totally agree that Shay's defection is to blame the Achilles' Brotherhood,
yet Shay had very good chance to describe what actually happened in Lisbon at around 10:57
He should've at least tried to explain his motives other than keep repeating "I should do this".
I wonder if his Captain was actually a Templar plant all along…or maybe the creed really has lost its ways in the snow.
He left the assassins because of what happened in Lisbon, with the whole town turning to rubble and everyone in the city to die, causing millions to die
True, and because Achilles and the others did not listen to him after that