I think it was cool having him say his catchphrase every once in a while, but then it felt like he was saying it every mission towards the end. Great game though, had lots of fun playing it
@@Fizhy same even back when it was new I was like blackflag clone set in the north and with mild Templar vibes? yes please! now with newer titles just...feeling so off Rogue looking very tasty may have to replay it myself.
Rouge was good I liked it at that time I didn’t have a next gen system so I bought rouge on lunch day yes is was short but the environments look good and I was playing on Xbox 360 beat the whole game in 2 days 😅 the ending was good I like how they connected it to assassins creed 3 so people hate rouge but I ran better then ac unity on lunch so even tho I was up set that I couldn’t play Unity I didn’t realize all the bugs and glitch’s Unity launched with I ended up Unity but I still like assassins creed rouge gameplay better the navel combat is always fun
@Steveo0547 Naval combat was very fun until I got to the Storm Fortress. Man, that battle pissed me the heck off. I couldn't make my own luck with that one to this day. That blasted damned ship. 😂
"He just assassinates assassins who act like templars". Man, thank you! This is my biggest problem with Rouge's story. The story to me doesn't make me feel like "Seeing things from a different perspective" because of this. Gameplay wise, it's well done. But storywise, I had high expectation on seeing the Templars pursuing their justice in their own unique and opposite way but honestly I was a little disappointed. Both sides just switched names and acted the same way.
I know the Assassins in this game are using the Templars M.O and the Templars assassin's M.O. Ubisoft didn't take time and work how to play the opposite side of the conflict. We don't really see the Templars view, we see them being similar to the Assassins.
@@sayonarababy335 Not really. Living in China, I see a lot of problems in my country compared to what I've heard from my friends who live in the west. Then again, men and women here still live much happier and safer than people in certain parts of the middle east and Africa. Different governments with different political ideas and principles do things differently and they have their own unique good and bad sides. Some are better, some are worse.
That last sentence is the whole point of the metastory. Too much control on either side, the Templars (order) or Assassins (chaos), will lead to tyranny. That right there is the point to the story.
I have a soft spot for Rogue. When Unity was overshadowing it, I constantly went up to bat for it, and I enjoyed it 10 years ago when it came out. Black Flag but with snow instead of tropics was a fun change. When I replayed the PS4 remaster, the cracks did show much more prominently. The story is kind of short and bad. The Assassins in this title are probably the least likable we've seen. A few characters feel like cartoons. The map is needlessly big (which feels really WEIRD to say post-Origins, but there are so many places in the River Valley the story never takes you to.) And I know it's extremely petty but I hate how Shay's main outfit on the game cover has a black hood but it never does in the game. You have to wear the Dark Assassin outfit to get anything close to that. The Lisbon mission, though. LOVE that setpiece. One of my favorites in the series.
I believe that the E3 trailer and the high Def pictures of Shay with his hooded Templar outfit take place between ages 28 and 45. There is a huge gap of time between the mission when Shay saves Achilles from Haytham and the mission where he assassinates Charles Dorian. At least that's my head cannon. I love Shay he is the best character in the whole franchise. ❤
I cannot agree more about this game’s setting. I love exploring the frozen wastes of the North Atlantic more than the Caribbean, it’s just such a different vibe to Black Flag that feels isolating and alone, which matches Shay’s feelings of isolation after leaving the only life he’d ever known. Even the River Valley just has a level of comforting beauty to it that’s different to what you find in Black Flag. Even New York adds to this dimension with a constant state of fear and unease as you never know where an assassin is hiding, because Shay is no longer an assassin, meaning you are no longer comfortable in a place he once hid with ease either. The sights, views and locations in that game were gorgeous and breathtaking in their scale in Black Flag but Rogue aims for places that are a lot simpler but meaningful in a different way, I think it’s a very appropriate setting for Shay as a character.
I really agree that the setting change was a huge impact. Black flag felt very easygoing and lighthearted when 90% of the time you were hanging out with your friends drinking rum. Rouge felt like a serious attacking of the core principles of why this war is happening
Mirage reminds me of Rogue the most. A cool idea half assed in some corporate release charter, but having enough of something that some fans keep returning to it as a guilty pleasure.
I think saying Mirage is half assed is definitely wrong, half baked would be a better way to phrase it because that game is clearly made by perhaps the most passionate developers the series has had since origins, they were just stuck with an engine which didn’t want to play along
Half assed by Ubisoft as a company. I'm sure Rogue also had passionate people working on the game. Game development is incredibly difficult and AC Rogue as a game came together well enough that the team worked hard on it, same with Mirage. That the higher ups at Ubisoft decided to launch Rogue in the same year as unity or give Ubi Bordeaux no resources apart from Valhalla's bones still obviously reflects poorly on the end product. We care about the behind the scenes because we are hardcore fans. Most customers aren't obliged to care about this stuff. They pay money and want to get something that can compete with other games out there.
Assassins creed Mirage was so good, but short. The devs get assassins creed though, and im looking forward to what they can do in the future with a proper budget and their own team and characters. Imagine they get to write a story that doesn't feel like a rushed DLC for valhalla.
Rogue was my favorite for a long time, it was my second or third AC game and the music, visual style and story just gripped 11 year old me, it was really great especially when we look at the slop we get nowadays, I wholeheartedly agree with the general consensus that the story is too short and its a bit too much of a collectathon tho.
I always considered the "Assassin" gang to be the writers' way of excusing the crimes the Assassins commit in Rogue's story, but honestly it kinda holds up when you think about it. In AC2-Revelations the Assassins aren't teaming up with moral beacons. They ally with thieves, escorts, and mercenaries that'll do almost anything for the right paycheck. They cover that fact up nicely with charismatic faces leading those factions, and with excuses like "well we totally only steal from the corrupt, we swear!" Rogue is a proper mask off moment. It shows how the Assassins have always allied themselves with morally-dubious factions, and lets players see that from the perspective of an outsider. Another thing many people miss is Monroe and the others subtly manipulating Shay. They frequently mislead him and feed him questionable intel. The most blatant of these is when Monro tells Shay that the poison gas is to be used on civilians. Shay actually catches this, asking "I thought they were just going to use it on the military..." Monro has no response to this beyond a glance at Shay, which leads to a slightly-funny moment of Shay remembering who Monro is and apologizing by saying "Which would also be bad." But those that don't look twice won't realize that Monro just lied to Shay, had no evidence to back up his claim, and never got properly called on it. There are other examples of this as well, but this one is by far the most obvious imo. Shows that these are still the same Templars we know, and only circumstance has them in the moral high ground. Similar to when Connor worked with Haytham to hunt down Benjamin Church. But the enemy of an enemy never stays a friend for long...
I always thought it was hilarious how one of Otso Berg's reasons for going through Shay's memories was to compile together a highlight reel of Shay dunking on the Assassins and make a video to send to them that basically boiled down to flipping them off and going "Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!"
7 years ago i wrote a comment on a AC Rogue video. and let me say it has now become lovely listening to you in the background when doing whatever i have to do, HOWEVER admit that i was stressed between 14 min and 15 min 30 sec. all in all this is so mutch better then it was 7 years ago you have become so mutch better!
Even the Templars aren’t all evil beings you just kill. Haytham is an example of a good Templar. So was Julius Caesar. If he’s ever a member of the ancient cabal that isn’t called Templar just yet. But SPQR are spiritually the predecessor group name of the Templars of that time
Historically the templars were a devoutly Christian, European organization. Can you see ubi ever making a white Christian anything but an antagonist and/or whipping post nowadays? It's like their entire game model is "pick historical nation and people. Subvert it."
You can tell with rogue it had next to no budget as far as time and money i remember seeing a video of the lead actor saying he had gone to some convention with a shirt that had the logo on it and had mentioned they made them on their own and wasnt part of an advertising budget
Yeah, that was Steven Piovesan. He is the voice and motion capture of Shay. I think that it is pretty shitty of Ubisoft to not help with the advertising. It kind of makes sense since AC Rogue was a last-minute decision from Ubisoft. So, from the very beginning, AC Rogue was being treated like the neglected child in favor of AC Unity. Despite the shortcomings and flaws that Rogue has, it is one of the most enjoyable games in the franchise IMHO.
I know AC isn’t what you always want to cover but it’s great to see you back to relive the good memories. I know you mentioned being open to trying Mirage and I highly recommend in doing so Ubi Bordeaux made Mirage with passion and it is an earnest project ❤
It’s probably my #1 or #2. I love being able to play as a Templar, it has naval combat, New York as a massive city, forest and tundra and islands to explore. It felt like it had a little bit of everything. Shays combat style is ruthless, and the outfits are wonderful.
AC Rouge was my favorite AC game for a long time (maybe ever) Was it flawed? Yes, but I wanted to play as an edgy Templar and that was all that mattered!
I’ve played every AC game between 1 and Unity except Rogue, picked it up recently on sale and gotta say it exceeded my expectations! Very solid entry and deserves more recognition
I’m sorry your content isn’t doing as well when it’s not RDR2. Keep pushing brother you’re a great youtuber who takes the job seriously, keep posting friend
Commenting before i finish watching so i won't forget, the best thing about Rogue imo was its open world i'm not sure what but something about made it extremely fun to explore
One of the beauties about Assassin's Creed for me was the historical fantasy like actually being the cause for so many events such as deaths of certain targets, starting off many important events. It adds more weight that you affected powerful figures and their lives. After Unity though it started to be more reactionary, like your character was just a servant being thrown around by historical figures more than actually affecting the history around it.
Oi AM Shaay, Pautrick, Corrmac, and oi maek meh own look, LiAM This is my only contribution in regards to AC Rogue, good video man, nearly makes me want to replay it!
Such great timing! I replayed Rogue pretty recently for like the third or fourth time and unintentionally got the Platinum Trophy for it. I honestly have a lot of fun with this game!
This the first AC game I played, my nostalgia for this game is on another level. While I acknowledge the shortcomings, its really enjoyable and vibes of north Atlantic are unlike anything. Music is so good
I never played any AC games until 2 months ago. I’m playing them all in order and I just finished AC: Revelations and I love how I have a deep connection with Altaïr and Ezio. I believe that’s when Ubisoft were in their prime. Beautiful story
I’ve always had this real love for rogue. It took me a year to get the Xbox one because I was poor asf at the time so I spent soooo many hours in rogue. More than that it fed us what a lot of us were asking for a Templar perspective. But after playing the game more I realized he really isn’t a Templar. He never actually betrayed the creed. The colonial brotherhood betrayed him. Spit on the face of their own tenants.
During that final cutscene with Achilles on the the ground fighting Haytham, I managed to make the character models ragdoll by activating no reload and infinite ammo. Then spammed grenades at them and ran to them initiating the cutscene before they landed. You see Haytham's weapons do all the work. Also it's hilarious when you kill Charles Dorian with random weapons. Stuff like fists, swords or muskets, making sure tp use high profile when doing so.
I only played rogue recently and havent finished unity but I find both games so much fun to play, there are parts of both of course that arent perfect but I have massive soft spots for the both of them, I just wish we had more of Shay and Arno, maybe some more connor too... but those are just dreams for another day
Very on point on the combat. Ac3 to Rogue combat is like watching an action movie sequence. It's not a dance anymore. I'm not sure how people medals AC3 for having the best combat😂
Easily one of my favorite AC games! I love how we get to see things from the Templar perspective and how that its a main part of the story. I just wish the story was longer than only 6 segments. That being said, the story and character development are solid.
4:50 I feel like the only real way to explain this is that it's a lot harder to find actors with decent french accents for an entire cast of a game than it is for a side character or two.
Assassin's Creed Rogue is my favorite in the franchise because it offers a unique Templar perspective, features compelling character development with Shay, and combines refined naval and land gameplay. The rich historical setting during the Seven Years' War, morally grey choices, and atmospheric experience with stunning visuals (for its time) and soundtrack make it stand out. Plus, it serves as a crucial bridge between AC3 and Black Flag, enhancing the series' continuity. In my humble opinion.
I’ve always loved the old assassin‘s Creed weapon systems not the new stuff where you have 500+ different weapons that all just different skins of the same thing but maybe 20 somewhat unique weapons that you buy or acquire through gameplay
Recently played this alongside Unity, and Rogue made me wished I played Black Flag as well. I love how the story dives down to the dark side of the Assassins and how both Templars and Assassins have the same goals but different methods. I also love the open world and the fact that you can travel through the see in River Valley and the North Atlantic.
I remember finding it at some big tech store, forgot which one, the place was dark and my brother and I were kids, and we lost it. We went feral and begged our mom to let us get it. No regrets, its one of my favorite AC games ever
Small note, you actually can skip the end credits. However, you cannon do so before the little modern day cut scene. After that plays, you hold B or your input's equivalent and it skips the credits.
I think rouge retroactively explains why Connor has such an issue with Achilles and his leadership and also it is still such a waste that Connor arno and shay never meet it seems like that was a natural evaluation of they're story , perhaps with the return of connor va there is hope for that story too be told
@@JJJBunney001 i mean it wouldn't be hard to put em together , connor would want to find out more about Achilles and discover shay that way he could be the neutral player , arnos dad was killed by shay sadly that plotline was put aside but it would make sense for him to want to know who and or why and for shay he is said to have been active with the templars till he died so there would be a reason for him to be hunted
@@JJJBunney001 as the other commenter said, it wouldn't be that hard to have them all meet up, considering that both Connor and Shay are still alive when Arno is inducted into the Brotherhood. Shay has done something that would warrant a reason for Arno and Shay to track him down: - Shay killed Arno's father to obtain the precursor box, so maybe Arno could search for his father's murderer. - Shay had also brought down Achillies' Colonial Brotherhood alongside Haytham, so maybe Connor could've started searching for him after learning about him from Achillies.
Well in my opinion Rouge is a game that shows there are always two sides of a coin and that even a group of liberatours often have toxic people in their crowed and there is no simple good and bad side. Also the Assassins often Kill and justify Kills that arent really necessary but people celebreate their actions. Your explanation in this video is very good. I think i read somewhere that the open world ofAC Rouge actually was part of AC 3 but later was in general too big to fit on the disc. So probably they had a Rivervalley location already partly ready to go but it couldnt make it into the final game and thats when the story for Rouge was made.
I didn't ever play any of the AC Franchise back in the day, and I've started in the last 2 years or so playing through the entire catalogue as deep as possible. Likely a pretty hot take but Rogue is 100% my favorite of the entire series. It's likely somewhat rose tinted glasses, as I really feel that playing Rogue immediately after AC3 is the best way to experience it, I still even at this point after playing almost every game in the franchise (Honorable mention I've just made it to Sequence 2 in AC Brotherhood, and so far it's blown me away, it had some of the most fun combat mechanics on foot and in ship battles, it just feels a little tiny bit better than AC3/4 in a lot of ways. I don't think I was ever more attached to the historic story or the modern day story in any other AC Game to date.
Rogue feels like it started off as a tribute to everything before unity and the new build of the system, and then just got left behind. Plenty of amazing parkour areas from trees, rocks, caves, to new accelerated climb areas and rope swings in land to warehouses, settlements, and the way multiple areas have two points to enter. It put all the ideas of it's previous instalments into a game that wasn't even 10 gbs remastered but still holds up in graphics, gameplay, and shanties. Inevitably though it and unity is where assassin's creed's main power falls off, and that's the storytelling
That's interesting. I thought when I first played Rogue that the modern day protagonist was the same one from Black Flag, and that he's essentially left to die by the assassins at the end of the game.
About the 2014 situation... Although it's undeniable that Unity is an unpolished game (just playing it now shows this, it definitely didn't receive as many patches as people think), I can't help but feel there was some overreaction at the time. For many reasons: Ubisoft oversold it, people were inclined to disappointment after the WD situation, and so on. But watching a typical playthrough from that time (other than a bug compilation) doesn't appear much different. Unpolished, yes, but not unplayable (aside from the co-op). The fact that the infamous faceless meme occurred only on one graphics card and yet was brought up in almost every article about the game just baffles me.
I was and still am a huge AC fan. I remember playing the original one on the 360 with my brother, and even remembering the major jump from 1 to 2. I had a major hurricane come when 3 came out and I still forced my dad to drive my to GameStop to pick up my preorder. I did however, skip rogue and unity at launch as my 360 broke around that time and waited about a year to get the Xbox one. Finally played unity and all of the other mainline ones going forward, so I ended up skipping rogue. I’m finally playing it and am on sequence 4, really taking my time doing all the side quests and going to all of the little towns because this may very well be the best Ac game. Arguably better than 2 which will still always be my favorite, but rogue may be overtaking it (even though I love black flag and origins). But rogue doesn’t waste your time, the side quests are fun and snappy, and the mixing of the online stalking mechanic is genius. So cool running around avoiding another assassins. The assassins intercept missions are really fun as well. I also think the story may be the best or at least the most interesting. It’s not just you play as the Templar, but he Shay is more so caught in the middle of a war he thinks is bigger than anyone understands. He’s met some Templar’s who he agrees with, but isn’t sure they have the best intentions either. This also strengthens 3 and makes much more interesting (I hate 3). 3 always feels like Connor gets into the action too late, and the important story bits he doesn’t really have a hand in. Rogue gives more of a reason to it, and shows how Shay is a part of the assassin downfall in the NE. Overall, it feels like an Assassins Creed Extreme type game, where it’s all of the best parts of the previous games, blended around and not overly done. You’re never doing something for too long, and you’re always doing a different thing moment to moment.
@@Fizhy Appreciate how in-depth your videos are man. Most of what I learned about RDR2 is from watching your videos.
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Rogue is such a 5/10 game, such a middle of the road. On one hand it waste a premise that should have been more deep and complex, it relies on an idiot plot, and has and has to twist it's overall narrative to fit in mechanics that weren't built for this game. On the other hand, it's a short little experience that continues another great experience, its filled with good fanservice moments, and has a setting that I'm really fond of. It's not a good game, I wouldn't even say I like it, and yet I can't help finding myself playing it every once in a while, even if it is for a short time.
I have a soft spot for Rogue, because it was my first Assassin's Creed. Mu uncle gave it to me as a gift at the end of 2014 for the Xbox 360, and he happened to do it right before Black Flag finished downloading on my Xbox (It was free with Live Gold), so Rogue was my first AC game instead of Black Flag by a few hours, and probably because of that, I can't not like it. Shay was the one that made me get interested in this franchise that I learned to love... And that always disapoints me, new game after new game
Since Black Flag is apparently being remade, hopefully expanding some aspects such as the Aveline DLC as well as Adéwalé DLC, Rogue should be expanded upon in a remake. A Rogue remake could improve the Assassin segment of the story allowing for the player to have more of a connection to the Assassins and it being harder to kill these former friends. It would be better to flesh out the Assassins and Templars instead of the Assassins feeling like Templars and Templars feeling like Assassins. The easiest thing that the remake needs to improve is by actually including the hooded outfit on the cover of the game. The remaster should get an update with that outfit too.
I’ve never played this game but heard a lot of things about it and never liked the idea of playing as Shay, and killing Adéwalé, who was an important part of AC4
I always saw this game as the more notable incarnation of Ubisoft as what will become years later: Wasted potential, corporative victim. The templar side of the story was always a pretty interesting story to tell, and a plot of betrayal was a bold twist for the already saturated motivation of vengeance (That will become the norm in this franchise from there), the writting was all over the place but it has some meaning and actually was getting to something in various moments, and Shay's motivations that set the plot were rather dull or even childish (from my personal persepctive) but in the long term they were actually comprehensible, they just needed more development. But i get why the game just released like that, it was literally made in 8 months, just to fullfill corporate timelines and expect to give a "closure" to the Kenway saga so they would focus the main efforts in the next-gen. That's why the gameplay is the same as Black Flag, and has the shortest campaign in all the franchise, and has the most bland and mundane secondary content of all the games, and the maps weren't as diverse and complex as other games, and it wasn't ported to PS4 or Xbox One nor even PC until years later. It was a miracle that the game released in a polish and working state even more than AC Revelations did, talking about copy-pasted games.
Good video But Rogue simply demonstrates the superiority of Templar ideology. Even the assassins need power to have any influence on the colonies It’s apparent throughout the game that the more openly violent the means by which power is obtained and maintained, the better it is for most people Currently on my fourth 100% run of this game you’re right that the artic and northern atmosphere is superb and calming
It's horrible how these ten years went by faster than the summer of 2014 waiting for ac unity and rogue. And it's the only main console ac game I've never played at all
I played rogue near enough to 100% loved it worst part about it though was the Altair swords in terms of getting them they were actually really cool to use
Rogue is a strange game to me. On it's own, it's a pretty decent experience, yet i can't help but feel that releasing it alongside Unity hurt both games immensely. While we all know the state Unity released in, Rogue's story felt like some parts were either not finished or weren't expanded upon enough. Tho I must say, i still like the idea of defecting assassins and joining templars a more compelling than rehashing Romeo and Juliet again. I do think both games deserved much better than what they got. I don't know what Ubisoft was thinking, developing two big games like this concurrently, especially with Unity making 1:1 scale Paris.
To me rogue is very unique and it bridges ac 3 and unity, getting to play basically the whole game as a Templar from the viewpoint of a former assassin the series was begging for that side to be said at the time i think...rogue was almost necessary at some point.
Y’know I had recently stsrted to play unity and thought it was fun enough but overall very lacking I think I’m gonna drop that one and pick up Rogue since I bought it 10 years ago on sale from target and just never played it lol seems like its a lot more enjoyable and a nice change of pace
I like the concept of Rogue and Shay. However, its terrible flip of the switch of who is good and who is bad instead of having more time to develop the need to stop the Colonial Brotherhood. Shay is essentially a hypocrite because he doesn't follow his own Creed and if he had, he would have had some form of impact against the Templars, but he just became a Templar mercenary/member.
I'm inclined to agree with much of this. I had hoped ACIII, giving it has us start as Haytham would really explore the ideology/philosophy of the Templars and Assassins. Unfortunately it doesn't really go there but I guess maybe Connor seemed kinda closed off? Sadly Rogue doesn't really deal with it much either. It's so intergral to all the characters, it'd be nice to get into lol. I guess it could make some players uncomfortable if the protaganists don't seem squeaky clean (the cowards 🤭) Other than that I enjoyed Rogue. Kinda felt like a more refined Black Flag and playing Black Flag -> Rogue -> III is kind of a neat trilogy.
In Assassin's Creed Rogue we play as a man with a great attachment to his catchphrase.
That’s not true. He just… makes his own luck.
You know, I heard he makes his own luck?.. is that true? 😂
Ah yes, *C a b b a g e F a r m e r*
"I make my own luck."
I think it was cool having him say his catchphrase every once in a while, but then it felt like he was saying it every mission towards the end. Great game though, had lots of fun playing it
Shay in his Templar coat had the sickest drip of all but Ezio, and even then it's close.
Ezio's drip was god-awful. Shay's best outfit was the 11th century Templar armor anyways.
Rogue looks better and better with newer titles. Rogue itself was never gold buuut I do love it.
I think on irrational lines, I have a real soft spot for Rogue.
@@Fizhy same even back when it was new I was like blackflag clone set in the north and with mild Templar vibes? yes please! now with newer titles just...feeling so off Rogue looking very tasty may have to replay it myself.
@@sigillinuxI was playing rogue while watching this video
Rouge was good I liked it at that time I didn’t have a next gen system so I bought rouge on lunch day yes is was short but the environments look good and I was playing on Xbox 360 beat the whole game in 2 days 😅 the ending was good I like how they connected it to assassins creed 3 so people hate rouge but I ran better then ac unity on lunch so even tho I was up set that I couldn’t play Unity I didn’t realize all the bugs and glitch’s Unity launched with I ended up Unity but I still like assassins creed rouge gameplay better the navel combat is always fun
@Steveo0547 Naval combat was very fun until I got to the Storm Fortress. Man, that battle pissed me the heck off. I couldn't make my own luck with that one to this day. That blasted damned ship. 😂
"He just assassinates assassins who act like templars". Man, thank you! This is my biggest problem with Rouge's story. The story to me doesn't make me feel like "Seeing things from a different perspective" because of this. Gameplay wise, it's well done. But storywise, I had high expectation on seeing the Templars pursuing their justice in their own unique and opposite way but honestly I was a little disappointed. Both sides just switched names and acted the same way.
Your last sentence is interesting as i find that often is in live and politics this way.
I know the Assassins in this game are using the Templars M.O and the Templars assassin's M.O. Ubisoft didn't take time and work how to play the opposite side of the conflict. We don't really see the Templars view, we see them being similar to the Assassins.
@@sayonarababy335 Not really. Living in China, I see a lot of problems in my country compared to what I've heard from my friends who live in the west. Then again, men and women here still live much happier and safer than people in certain parts of the middle east and Africa. Different governments with different political ideas and principles do things differently and they have their own unique good and bad sides. Some are better, some are worse.
That last sentence is the whole point of the metastory. Too much control on either side, the Templars (order) or Assassins (chaos), will lead to tyranny. That right there is the point to the story.
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689or is it that we see the Assassins being similar to what they think the Templars are?
I have a soft spot for Rogue. When Unity was overshadowing it, I constantly went up to bat for it, and I enjoyed it 10 years ago when it came out. Black Flag but with snow instead of tropics was a fun change.
When I replayed the PS4 remaster, the cracks did show much more prominently. The story is kind of short and bad. The Assassins in this title are probably the least likable we've seen. A few characters feel like cartoons. The map is needlessly big (which feels really WEIRD to say post-Origins, but there are so many places in the River Valley the story never takes you to.)
And I know it's extremely petty but I hate how Shay's main outfit on the game cover has a black hood but it never does in the game. You have to wear the Dark Assassin outfit to get anything close to that.
The Lisbon mission, though. LOVE that setpiece. One of my favorites in the series.
I think Shay’s Templar robes having a hood was always intended as symbolism more than because he’d actually have that in the game
I believe that the E3 trailer and the high Def pictures of Shay with his hooded Templar outfit take place between ages 28 and 45. There is a huge gap of time between the mission when Shay saves Achilles from Haytham and the mission where he assassinates Charles Dorian. At least that's my head cannon. I love Shay he is the best character in the whole franchise. ❤
I think they also didn’t release it on the next gen at the time but I can’t remember I might be wrong
I'm glad you're still making AC content (though I understand why you don't do it as much). I can't believe it's been 10 years. Time flies.
Can’t completely alienate people who supported my channel over the years, can I?
@@Fizhy i just wish ac as a title had the same philosophy
I cannot agree more about this game’s setting. I love exploring the frozen wastes of the North Atlantic more than the Caribbean, it’s just such a different vibe to Black Flag that feels isolating and alone, which matches Shay’s feelings of isolation after leaving the only life he’d ever known. Even the River Valley just has a level of comforting beauty to it that’s different to what you find in Black Flag. Even New York adds to this dimension with a constant state of fear and unease as you never know where an assassin is hiding, because Shay is no longer an assassin, meaning you are no longer comfortable in a place he once hid with ease either. The sights, views and locations in that game were gorgeous and breathtaking in their scale in Black Flag but Rogue aims for places that are a lot simpler but meaningful in a different way, I think it’s a very appropriate setting for Shay as a character.
I really agree that the setting change was a huge impact. Black flag felt very easygoing and lighthearted when 90% of the time you were hanging out with your friends drinking rum. Rouge felt like a serious attacking of the core principles of why this war is happening
The final legendary battle in Rogue is probably the singular time I have ever struggled on an old AC game. Good stuff.
I hate that dawned ship. To this day I still am trying to defeat the Storm Fortress.
Mirage reminds me of Rogue the most. A cool idea half assed in some corporate release charter, but having enough of something that some fans keep returning to it as a guilty pleasure.
I think saying Mirage is half assed is definitely wrong, half baked would be a better way to phrase it because that game is clearly made by perhaps the most passionate developers the series has had since origins, they were just stuck with an engine which didn’t want to play along
Half assed by Ubisoft as a company. I'm sure Rogue also had passionate people working on the game. Game development is incredibly difficult and AC Rogue as a game came together well enough that the team worked hard on it, same with Mirage.
That the higher ups at Ubisoft decided to launch Rogue in the same year as unity or give Ubi Bordeaux no resources apart from Valhalla's bones still obviously reflects poorly on the end product.
We care about the behind the scenes because we are hardcore fans. Most customers aren't obliged to care about this stuff. They pay money and want to get something that can compete with other games out there.
Assassins creed Mirage was so good, but short. The devs get assassins creed though, and im looking forward to what they can do in the future with a proper budget and their own team and characters. Imagine they get to write a story that doesn't feel like a rushed DLC for valhalla.
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@@Shadowmegafan4000ac mirage on unity engine would have been the greatest ac game of all time…
Rogue was my favorite for a long time, it was my second or third AC game and the music, visual style and story just gripped 11 year old me, it was really great especially when we look at the slop we get nowadays, I wholeheartedly agree with the general consensus that the story is too short and its a bit too much of a collectathon tho.
I always considered the "Assassin" gang to be the writers' way of excusing the crimes the Assassins commit in Rogue's story, but honestly it kinda holds up when you think about it. In AC2-Revelations the Assassins aren't teaming up with moral beacons. They ally with thieves, escorts, and mercenaries that'll do almost anything for the right paycheck. They cover that fact up nicely with charismatic faces leading those factions, and with excuses like "well we totally only steal from the corrupt, we swear!" Rogue is a proper mask off moment. It shows how the Assassins have always allied themselves with morally-dubious factions, and lets players see that from the perspective of an outsider.
Another thing many people miss is Monroe and the others subtly manipulating Shay. They frequently mislead him and feed him questionable intel. The most blatant of these is when Monro tells Shay that the poison gas is to be used on civilians. Shay actually catches this, asking "I thought they were just going to use it on the military..." Monro has no response to this beyond a glance at Shay, which leads to a slightly-funny moment of Shay remembering who Monro is and apologizing by saying "Which would also be bad." But those that don't look twice won't realize that Monro just lied to Shay, had no evidence to back up his claim, and never got properly called on it. There are other examples of this as well, but this one is by far the most obvious imo. Shows that these are still the same Templars we know, and only circumstance has them in the moral high ground. Similar to when Connor worked with Haytham to hunt down Benjamin Church. But the enemy of an enemy never stays a friend for long...
I always thought it was hilarious how one of Otso Berg's reasons for going through Shay's memories was to compile together a highlight reel of Shay dunking on the Assassins and make a video to send to them that basically boiled down to flipping them off and going "Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!"
7 years ago i wrote a comment on a AC Rogue video.
and let me say it has now become lovely listening to you in the background when doing whatever i have to do, HOWEVER admit that i was stressed between 14 min and 15 min 30 sec.
all in all this is so mutch better then it was 7 years ago
you have become so mutch better!
I feel Rogue was always underrated. Wish they'd look at the templars more.
Even the Templars aren’t all evil beings you just kill. Haytham is an example of a good Templar. So was Julius Caesar. If he’s ever a member of the ancient cabal that isn’t called Templar just yet. But SPQR are spiritually the predecessor group name of the Templars of that time
It isnt really it got overrated as soon as every one kept saying its underrated
Historically the templars were a devoutly Christian, European organization.
Can you see ubi ever making a white Christian anything but an antagonist and/or whipping post nowadays?
It's like their entire game model is "pick historical nation and people. Subvert it."
Yea I wish in Valhalla Eivor joins the templars with King Arthur since she doesn’t join the hidden ones fully, cause eivor even has a Templar outfit
You can tell with rogue it had next to no budget as far as time and money i remember seeing a video of the lead actor saying he had gone to some convention with a shirt that had the logo on it and had mentioned they made them on their own and wasnt part of an advertising budget
Yeah, that was Steven Piovesan. He is the voice and motion capture of Shay. I think that it is pretty shitty of Ubisoft to not help with the advertising. It kind of makes sense since AC Rogue was a last-minute decision from Ubisoft. So, from the very beginning, AC Rogue was being treated like the neglected child in favor of AC Unity. Despite the shortcomings and flaws that Rogue has, it is one of the most enjoyable games in the franchise IMHO.
I know AC isn’t what you always want to cover but it’s great to see you back to relive the good memories. I know you mentioned being open to trying Mirage and I highly recommend in doing so Ubi Bordeaux made Mirage with passion and it is an earnest project ❤
It’s probably my #1 or #2. I love being able to play as a Templar, it has naval combat, New York as a massive city, forest and tundra and islands to explore.
It felt like it had a little bit of everything. Shays combat style is ruthless, and the outfits are wonderful.
20min in and I am convinced to try this game.
You should very good game lacks story but its more black flag
I’m rlly picky but this game is jus different
AC Rouge was my favorite AC game for a long time (maybe ever)
Was it flawed? Yes, but I wanted to play as an edgy Templar and that was all that mattered!
AC 3 & AC ROGUE the most underrated games with the original gameplay style of the franchise
I’ve played every AC game between 1 and Unity except Rogue, picked it up recently on sale and gotta say it exceeded my expectations! Very solid entry and deserves more recognition
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I’m sorry your content isn’t doing as well when it’s not RDR2. Keep pushing brother you’re a great youtuber who takes the job seriously, keep posting friend
Commenting before i finish watching so i won't forget, the best thing about Rogue imo was its open world i'm not sure what but something about made it extremely fun to explore
Your videos never fail to deliver. Great job once again!
I just re downloaded this game.. Great timing Ethan
One of the beauties about Assassin's Creed for me was the historical fantasy like actually being the cause for so many events such as deaths of certain targets, starting off many important events. It adds more weight that you affected powerful figures and their lives. After Unity though it started to be more reactionary, like your character was just a servant being thrown around by historical figures more than actually affecting the history around it.
34:01 like with vandalon IV in Helldivers 2. Idk why I love that planet so much but the snow and blizzards are so cool.
Still has my favorite main theme of all the games 💕. Perfectly includes every game prior. Like Connor’s drums.
I like Rogue’s score across the board tbf
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This is my only contribution in regards to AC Rogue, good video man, nearly makes me want to replay it!
Such great timing! I replayed Rogue pretty recently for like the third or fourth time and unintentionally got the Platinum Trophy for it. I honestly have a lot of fun with this game!
This the first AC game I played, my nostalgia for this game is on another level.
While I acknowledge the shortcomings, its really enjoyable and vibes of north Atlantic are unlike anything.
Music is so good
I never played any AC games until 2 months ago. I’m playing them all in order and I just finished AC: Revelations and I love how I have a deep connection with Altaïr and Ezio. I believe that’s when Ubisoft were in their prime. Beautiful story
I literally got this notification when I was playing Rogue 🤣. Most underrated entry in the franchise btw
Great video man! Thank you
I’ve always had this real love for rogue. It took me a year to get the Xbox one because I was poor asf at the time so I spent soooo many hours in rogue. More than that it fed us what a lot of us were asking for a Templar perspective. But after playing the game more I realized he really isn’t a Templar. He never actually betrayed the creed. The colonial brotherhood betrayed him. Spit on the face of their own tenants.
During that final cutscene with Achilles on the the ground fighting Haytham, I managed to make the character models ragdoll by activating no reload and infinite ammo. Then spammed grenades at them and ran to them initiating the cutscene before they landed. You see Haytham's weapons do all the work.
Also it's hilarious when you kill Charles Dorian with random weapons. Stuff like fists, swords or muskets, making sure tp use high profile when doing so.
Dude you did Great ! Love when you do longer type videos!! Keep it up bro ! You make my day less shitty ! Thanks 🙏 👍🏻🙌🏻❤️
I only played rogue recently and havent finished unity but I find both games so much fun to play, there are parts of both of course that arent perfect but I have massive soft spots for the both of them, I just wish we had more of Shay and Arno, maybe some more connor too... but those are just dreams for another day
Very on point on the combat. Ac3 to Rogue combat is like watching an action movie sequence. It's not a dance anymore. I'm not sure how people medals AC3 for having the best combat😂
Ac3 combat was the right direction they lost it after unity
Easily one of my favorite AC games! I love how we get to see things from the Templar perspective and how that its a main part of the story. I just wish the story was longer than only 6 segments. That being said, the story and character development are solid.
5:00 I played AC Unity with French language as the spoken audio and just used subtitles, and it was a MUCH more enjoyable experience.
Eee Bluu Blaa Fluu Flenk.
French.
4:50 I feel like the only real way to explain this is that it's a lot harder to find actors with decent french accents for an entire cast of a game than it is for a side character or two.
Assassin's Creed Rogue is my favorite in the franchise because it offers a unique Templar perspective, features compelling character development with Shay, and combines refined naval and land gameplay. The rich historical setting during the Seven Years' War, morally grey choices, and atmospheric experience with stunning visuals (for its time) and soundtrack make it stand out. Plus, it serves as a crucial bridge between AC3 and Black Flag, enhancing the series' continuity. In my humble opinion.
I’ve always loved the old assassin‘s Creed weapon systems not the new stuff where you have 500+ different weapons that all just different skins of the same thing but maybe 20 somewhat unique weapons that you buy or acquire through gameplay
Recently played this alongside Unity, and Rogue made me wished I played Black Flag as well. I love how the story dives down to the dark side of the Assassins and how both Templars and Assassins have the same goals but different methods. I also love the open world and the fact that you can travel through the see in River Valley and the North Atlantic.
Loved Rogue so much. Also, hope you cover AC Shadows when it drops
Just for originality alone this is one of my fave entries to the series
Looking forward to more AC content. I have pretty much all the games, but I've only played through AC1 so far, lol.
I remember finding it at some big tech store, forgot which one, the place was dark and my brother and I were kids, and we lost it. We went feral and begged our mom to let us get it.
No regrets, its one of my favorite AC games ever
It is cool how relaxing the exploration is in Rogue, too. I wish they made a hard mode (or something) for it, it needs a remake
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Absolutely love your videos Fizhy!! What’s your absolute favourite AC game?
Small note, you actually can skip the end credits. However, you cannon do so before the little modern day cut scene. After that plays, you hold B or your input's equivalent and it skips the credits.
I think rouge retroactively explains why Connor has such an issue with Achilles and his leadership and also it is still such a waste that Connor arno and shay never meet it seems like that was a natural evaluation of they're story , perhaps with the return of connor va there is hope for that story too be told
There's no reason besides fan service for them to meet though
@@JJJBunney001 i mean it wouldn't be hard to put em together , connor would want to find out more about Achilles and discover shay that way he could be the neutral player , arnos dad was killed by shay sadly that plotline was put aside but it would make sense for him to want to know who and or why and for shay he is said to have been active with the templars till he died so there would be a reason for him to be hunted
@@JJJBunney001 as the other commenter said, it wouldn't be that hard to have them all meet up, considering that both Connor and Shay are still alive when Arno is inducted into the Brotherhood. Shay has done something that would warrant a reason for Arno and Shay to track him down:
- Shay killed Arno's father to obtain the precursor box, so maybe Arno could search for his father's murderer.
- Shay had also brought down Achillies' Colonial Brotherhood alongside Haytham, so maybe Connor could've started searching for him after learning about him from Achillies.
Actually just played back through this and Unity a few weeks back, definitely prefer this over Unity and Syndicate
I remember you uploading in 2014 how the years fly 😅
Well in my opinion Rouge is a game that shows there are always two sides of a coin and that even a group of liberatours often have toxic people in their crowed and there is no simple good and bad side. Also the Assassins often Kill and justify Kills that arent really necessary but people celebreate their actions. Your explanation in this video is very good. I think i read somewhere that the open world ofAC Rouge actually was part of AC 3 but later was in general too big to fit on the disc. So probably they had a Rivervalley location already partly ready to go but it couldnt make it into the final game and thats when the story for Rouge was made.
I didn't ever play any of the AC Franchise back in the day, and I've started in the last 2 years or so playing through the entire catalogue as deep as possible. Likely a pretty hot take but Rogue is 100% my favorite of the entire series. It's likely somewhat rose tinted glasses, as I really feel that playing Rogue immediately after AC3 is the best way to experience it, I still even at this point after playing almost every game in the franchise (Honorable mention I've just made it to Sequence 2 in AC Brotherhood, and so far it's blown me away, it had some of the most fun combat mechanics on foot and in ship battles, it just feels a little tiny bit better than AC3/4 in a lot of ways. I don't think I was ever more attached to the historic story or the modern day story in any other AC Game to date.
Rogue feels like it started off as a tribute to everything before unity and the new build of the system, and then just got left behind. Plenty of amazing parkour areas from trees, rocks, caves, to new accelerated climb areas and rope swings in land to warehouses, settlements, and the way multiple areas have two points to enter. It put all the ideas of it's previous instalments into a game that wasn't even 10 gbs remastered but still holds up in graphics, gameplay, and shanties. Inevitably though it and unity is where assassin's creed's main power falls off, and that's the storytelling
That's interesting. I thought when I first played Rogue that the modern day protagonist was the same one from Black Flag, and that he's essentially left to die by the assassins at the end of the game.
Rogue is my favorite
About the 2014 situation...
Although it's undeniable that Unity is an unpolished game (just playing it now shows this, it definitely didn't receive as many patches as people think), I can't help but feel there was some overreaction at the time.
For many reasons: Ubisoft oversold it, people were inclined to disappointment after the WD situation, and so on. But watching a typical playthrough from that time (other than a bug compilation) doesn't appear much different. Unpolished, yes, but not unplayable (aside from the co-op).
The fact that the infamous faceless meme occurred only on one graphics card and yet was brought up in almost every article about the game just baffles me.
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I was and still am a huge AC fan. I remember playing the original one on the 360 with my brother, and even remembering the major jump from 1 to 2. I had a major hurricane come when 3 came out and I still forced my dad to drive my to GameStop to pick up my preorder. I did however, skip rogue and unity at launch as my 360 broke around that time and waited about a year to get the Xbox one. Finally played unity and all of the other mainline ones going forward, so I ended up skipping rogue.
I’m finally playing it and am on sequence 4, really taking my time doing all the side quests and going to all of the little towns because this may very well be the best Ac game. Arguably better than 2 which will still always be my favorite, but rogue may be overtaking it (even though I love black flag and origins).
But rogue doesn’t waste your time, the side quests are fun and snappy, and the mixing of the online stalking mechanic is genius. So cool running around avoiding another assassins. The assassins intercept missions are really fun as well.
I also think the story may be the best or at least the most interesting. It’s not just you play as the Templar, but he Shay is more so caught in the middle of a war he thinks is bigger than anyone understands. He’s met some Templar’s who he agrees with, but isn’t sure they have the best intentions either.
This also strengthens 3 and makes much more interesting (I hate 3). 3 always feels like Connor gets into the action too late, and the important story bits he doesn’t really have a hand in. Rogue gives more of a reason to it, and shows how Shay is a part of the assassin downfall in the NE.
Overall, it feels like an Assassins Creed Extreme type game, where it’s all of the best parts of the previous games, blended around and not overly done. You’re never doing something for too long, and you’re always doing a different thing moment to moment.
Rogue was my favorite. I was living in Hawaii and hated the tropical vibes of blackflag and feel in love with the snowy environments of Rogue
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Rogue & Shay had the best outfits in the game, especially the Templar 11th century armor and the assassin killer outfit.
Nice video, I have it 95% completed got to return to it and get 100%
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@@Fizhy Appreciate how in-depth your videos are man. Most of what I learned about RDR2 is from watching your videos.
Rogue is such a 5/10 game, such a middle of the road. On one hand it waste a premise that should have been more deep and complex, it relies on an idiot plot, and has and has to twist it's overall narrative to fit in mechanics that weren't built for this game.
On the other hand, it's a short little experience that continues another great experience, its filled with good fanservice moments, and has a setting that I'm really fond of.
It's not a good game, I wouldn't even say I like it, and yet I can't help finding myself playing it every once in a while, even if it is for a short time.
Funny coincidence, I've got AC Rogue Remastered coming in the mail today.
I miss when assassins creed was still about being an assassin.
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I have a soft spot for Rogue, because it was my first Assassin's Creed. Mu uncle gave it to me as a gift at the end of 2014 for the Xbox 360, and he happened to do it right before Black Flag finished downloading on my Xbox (It was free with Live Gold), so Rogue was my first AC game instead of Black Flag by a few hours, and probably because of that, I can't not like it. Shay was the one that made me get interested in this franchise that I learned to love... And that always disapoints me, new game after new game
rogue is a good game that as a concept should be improved in a new game
Since Black Flag is apparently being remade, hopefully expanding some aspects such as the Aveline DLC as well as Adéwalé DLC, Rogue should be expanded upon in a remake.
A Rogue remake could improve the Assassin segment of the story allowing for the player to have more of a connection to the Assassins and it being harder to kill these former friends. It would be better to flesh out the Assassins and Templars instead of the Assassins feeling like Templars and Templars feeling like Assassins. The easiest thing that the remake needs to improve is by actually including the hooded outfit on the cover of the game. The remaster should get an update with that outfit too.
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I’ve never played this game but heard a lot of things about it and never liked the idea of playing as Shay, and killing Adéwalé, who was an important part of AC4
My friend got rogue remastered the other day (the poor bloke) made me wonder about this. Long story short i appreciate the timing
I always saw this game as the more notable incarnation of Ubisoft as what will become years later: Wasted potential, corporative victim. The templar side of the story was always a pretty interesting story to tell, and a plot of betrayal was a bold twist for the already saturated motivation of vengeance (That will become the norm in this franchise from there), the writting was all over the place but it has some meaning and actually was getting to something in various moments, and Shay's motivations that set the plot were rather dull or even childish (from my personal persepctive) but in the long term they were actually comprehensible, they just needed more development.
But i get why the game just released like that, it was literally made in 8 months, just to fullfill corporate timelines and expect to give a "closure" to the Kenway saga so they would focus the main efforts in the next-gen. That's why the gameplay is the same as Black Flag, and has the shortest campaign in all the franchise, and has the most bland and mundane secondary content of all the games, and the maps weren't as diverse and complex as other games, and it wasn't ported to PS4 or Xbox One nor even PC until years later. It was a miracle that the game released in a polish and working state even more than AC Revelations did, talking about copy-pasted games.
Good video
But Rogue simply demonstrates the superiority of Templar ideology.
Even the assassins need power to have any influence on the colonies
It’s apparent throughout the game that the more openly violent the means by which power is obtained and maintained, the better it is for most people
Currently on my fourth 100% run of this game you’re right that the artic and northern atmosphere is superb and calming
It's horrible how these ten years went by faster than the summer of 2014 waiting for ac unity and rogue. And it's the only main console ac game I've never played at all
I played rogue near enough to 100% loved it worst part about it though was the Altair swords in terms of getting them they were actually really cool to use
When are you going to play Mirage?
Still one of my top-three titles in the franchise
I looked forward to the launch of Rouge its one of my favorite
We can definitely say the same thing for Origins, great game but too short and definitely needed a sequel. Unity aswell 👌🏻
Man time flys 10 years I was 18 when I got rouge 😅
This was a great game, it needed to be made, not because it gave ps3 players an option but because it was an important part of the story line.
One of the few games I got 100% completion on.
The story has a weird way of staying in your head and rattling around in there. Even years later.
Rogue is a strange game to me. On it's own, it's a pretty decent experience, yet i can't help but feel that releasing it alongside Unity hurt both games immensely. While we all know the state Unity released in, Rogue's story felt like some parts were either not finished or weren't expanded upon enough. Tho I must say, i still like the idea of defecting assassins and joining templars a more compelling than rehashing Romeo and Juliet again.
I do think both games deserved much better than what they got. I don't know what Ubisoft was thinking, developing two big games like this concurrently, especially with Unity making 1:1 scale Paris.
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Loved black flag rogue was awesome aswell last time we seen templars I think
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To me rogue is very unique and it bridges ac 3 and unity, getting to play basically the whole game as a Templar from the viewpoint of a former assassin the series was begging for that side to be said at the time i think...rogue was almost necessary at some point.
Y’know I had recently stsrted to play unity and thought it was fun enough but overall very lacking
I think I’m gonna drop that one and pick up Rogue since I bought it 10 years ago on sale from target and just never played it lol
seems like its a lot more enjoyable and a nice change of pace
I like the concept of Rogue and Shay. However, its terrible flip of the switch of who is good and who is bad instead of having more time to develop the need to stop the Colonial Brotherhood. Shay is essentially a hypocrite because he doesn't follow his own Creed and if he had, he would have had some form of impact against the Templars, but he just became a Templar mercenary/member.
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I'm inclined to agree with much of this. I had hoped ACIII, giving it has us start as Haytham would really explore the ideology/philosophy of the Templars and Assassins. Unfortunately it doesn't really go there but I guess maybe Connor seemed kinda closed off? Sadly Rogue doesn't really deal with it much either. It's so intergral to all the characters, it'd be nice to get into lol. I guess it could make some players uncomfortable if the protaganists don't seem squeaky clean (the cowards 🤭)
Other than that I enjoyed Rogue. Kinda felt like a more refined Black Flag and playing Black Flag -> Rogue -> III is kind of a neat trilogy.