Altair and Ezio would've been disgusted with the Colonial Assassins, they literally broke all the rules of the creed, Shay is ironically the embodiment of what they fought for while Achilles and his followers were just selfish power hungry crooks.
true, rule 1: don't kill civilians is broken when the gangs under Achilles abused the people along with the earthquakes killing many. Rule 2: hide in plain sight is broken because he started gangs which have the insignia. Rule 3 is broken if you break the other two since you compromise its values. Shay embodied the assassins more than Achilles.
The Ezio Trilogy and the first game was a bit perfect to a degree, it didn't show much human error in terms of the Assassin's following their creed. Fizhy explains it well, AC3 & Rogue do a good job at explaining this, that the assassins aren't perfect, but are trying to do their best for the world.
I wouldn't say "power hungry crooks," more like deluded, untrustworthy idiots." If they were power hungry, then they would know what that power would be. Also, Shay's right they should've listened to him. I honestly don't know why Achilles didn't listen to Shay, or the other Assassins believed him.
Imagine how great of a story AC3 would be if Achilles was killed and Adewale lived instead. He could've been on a shed and trained Connor instead. And tell the legendary tales of his rested Grandfather, Edward Kenway.
That would’ve been cool but Adewale was already an old man during this game, by the time Connor found him he would be near death at best so training him would be unlikely
Adewale was already 50 to late 60s in Rouge and since Achilles is 60 in AC3 Adewale would be 80 or 90 years old so training him would be impossible. But Altair lived to be 91 so maybe possible
Shay: Achilles has lost everything. He wouldn't dare leave his Homestead. Haytham: He won't. Shay: Just hope he doesn't train your own son to kill you. Haytham: What? Shay: Eh?
lol that was like Achilles ultimate troll revenge on Haytham for everything that transpired in this game. Especially the gunshot wound by Haytham that crippled Achilles.
Hold down, who betrayed who? He was sent to a mission that killed thousands of innocents, and when he returned telling everyone that exact thing, they refused to listen or believe him, going to try to repeat the same thing which would kill thousands more, while shay tried to stop them, and they shot him at the back. This game really shows that the assassins are just as obsess as the Templar, and just as much to blame for the war lasting eons
When Achilles found the precursors he gived up, so theres no reason to shay betray them , he just had to wait the assassins notice thats he was right, shay is a bad explored character and the history of rogue is badly done
“This game really shows that the assassins are just as obsess as the Templars” I mean not really,i’d say that both sides are in the “Gray” depending on their mentors AC2 for example,the Italian brotherhood wasn’t bad,no “obsession for power”,the Templars however,they had Borgia,and he was obsessed with the staff and tried his best to get it But in AC Rogue,the Assassin’s were the ones that were obsessed with power (by their mentor Achilles),he realized his mistake and made sure to never repeat it in AC3,but the Templars had their reasons,Connor was killing them just to do so,following his mentor (who had a grudge against Haytham for crippling him,probably started this “kill list” just to get to Haytham),Johnson wanted to buy the land because he wanted to protect the Natives (which may i add,Connor’s tribe),Pitcairn wanted to end the war,Hicky wanted to remove Washington because he wasn’t worthy of command,and so on In Unity,Mirabeau made peace with the Templars,which fucked up the Assassins and made them weaker during the Revolution,as Bellec said “peace with the Templars is a fairy tale” Not sure about Syndicate,the twins just wanted to free London to ensure a better future for its people,they were (let’s say,outlaws),because they were supposed to go back to Crawley,instead they disobeyed and went to London,they made their goal at the end,no mentors were involved in that game,but Starrick deserved to die anyway
@@wolzard9006 haytham and lee started a massacre in Boston and Johnson tried to kill the natives in his homestead they were as lost as the old colonial assassins
Underrated game if you ask me, many people slept on it just cause it looked like Black flag 2.0 which in their defense it kinda was but the story was great.
Nah it's overrated, the story has an insanely good premise but derails into just switching the roles of the assassins and templars instead of actually showing the merit of the templars, the assassins acted completely out of character as a group, they might as well have been just some colonial criminal organization, nothing would've changed and it was too short and fast-paced, I couldn't give less of a fuck about Shay at the end of the game even though he's a badass.
Shay never really cared about assassins or templars. He was more indulge in only to do the right thing whether it involved assassin's or not. Therefore he spared achilles. And so he never went back during ac3 during connor's time.
thats how i felt about Shay, say if he escape the homestead undetected i think he would have taken the book and just dissappeared, it was only the assassins trying to kill him did they push him into the arms of the Templars
its funny how assassin's say 'everything is permitted' but cant even permitted to break their tenants. How they say about earning freedoms but they follow orders. I think assassin's are equally bunch of shits just like templars. Like most assassin's tried to make their influences and joined the templars. Its just some assassin's who are great and truly care about peace and freedom of others.
@ it dependes on your perspective i guess. i mean even a man like Edward Kenway become one and a good one at that then how come it wasnt on your own way of life.
Shay is an awfully tragic character, he believed in the Assassins code more selflessly than anyone else around him. Only to be ostracized and shot down as a traitor in his attempt to act in the Order’s moral interest. Now he kills the ones he thought were his family in an organization he once considered villains. Believing that the world would be better off without the very code he nearly died for. I pity him.
Had he not gone through tragedy and betrayal he would not have learned the truth, and he would live a lie, thinking his work was bringing good, all the way sowing seeds of destruction. If not for Templars like Monro, Gist, and Haytham, who showed understanding and openness by hearing him out and bringing him into the fold, Shay would be truly miserable. He finally found purpose and a true sense of righteousness with his new family. You should be happy for him.
He was more like a chaotic good character. His task was to prevent more earthquakes, and it didn't matter if it were the Assassins or the Templars who did it.
the thing is templars dont seek out chaos like the assassin's do and many ppl love to point out that rogues story is basically a reverse role for 'assassin's being bad now' and 'templars being good now' which definitely isnt the fudging case and even the ac youtubers like lazerzz and the one who makes 'everysingle assassin's creed ruined the franchise' videos dont get it about rogue
Assassins (that Shay killed) were like: "So, yeah, it's really necessary to tell Shay about our secret plan before I die instead of keeping my mouth shut and letting him know nothing so he can't stop us".
@@DavidJimenez-jp6gm unfortunately your idea is debunked because in one of the books, it said Shay trained all his children and grandchildren to hunt assassins
@@David-nq8cv I mean a son he didn't know he had that he learns of later. His mother named the boy. Shay later took the boy and raised him in the ways of the templars. He betrays because of the revolution and vows to bring down the Templars in the Colonies.
@@David-nq8cv Haytham was raised by Edward to become an assassin, instead, he became the Grand Master of the colonial rite, just like Haytham thinks that becoming a templar is about reaching a realization about human nature so does becoming an actual assassin rather than whatever the fuck Shay was doing.
Guardian Morohtar and yet he was still going to trick a young boy to kill his own father knowing his father and the Templar didn’t kill his mother or burn his village just so he could get his revenge for his leg
@@svetlanasokolov6582 you're too biased to the Assassins to see the error of their actions, and FYI only the templars in AC3, 4 and Rogue actually had good intentions
@@svetlanasokolov6582 they broke never kill the innocent, by killing thousands just for a piece of eden doesn't matter if it's an accident it's still indirect murder, they were using the city to test unstable chemicals and had gangs, and never compromise the brotherhood by choosing a relic over people which is against the creed, if you still believe the Assassins in this game did nothing you're clearly delusional
I Love How One Man Shay Patrick Cormac Took Down the whole Colonial Brotherhood and spared the mentor who then later trained an Assassin who destroyed the whole Templar Influence in America
Connor try to 'repair' the mistakes that achilles made during his younger days, and it was achilles who crumbled the colonial assassins. It was his mistakes who make his men killed.
The Imperial Army in odyssey there is only one thing I like when Layla says that she now follows chaos and not order cause assasins are chaos and Templar are order kass/alex says “order and chaos should be United none can exist without each other”
The Templars seek to control the population, whereas the Assassins believe humanity has the right of free will and should be able to choose for themselves. However the Assassins in Rogue were more obsessed with power than freedom. Even though Shay did defect from them to the Templars and later killed them, I can't put him at fault. Despite everything, he believed in the Creed. It wasn't until he realized they cared about the Pieces of Eden more than the lives of innocents, that the Colonial Assassins had broken the tenants of the Creed.
2geekygamers they sort of became like the templars like how when shay says “who are we to decide the the fate of these people” Achilles relies “it is our duty to guide them” like where did the free will go dude?
@@Engille967 More like him being stuck on the BS Achilles pulled when the Assassins allied with the French. Ironically though, Adewale hated the French throughout Freedom Cry because of the Slave Trade, and he was actually helping them at Rogue
I truly think Liam was the best assassin and the most respected. Even Shay respected him to the very end and Liam saying he hopes that world is a good one makes me think that he believes Shay was fighting for what was right despite who he chose to side with
He knew deep inside of him they were best friends before shay turned on him and those who supported him He was too corrupted to to even give Shay a chance to forgive him Instead he had to chase him and murder him for him going too far He didn't want to sound so harsh before dying
@@brahm9611 if your talking about that one assassin who hurt his leg jumping into the haystack or Altair charging the guy in the beginning causing the death of another sure reckless, but this is the mentor of the entire colonial chapter, and yes, he’s incompetent because he doomed the entire order, if you would have played the 3rd game you would know that even Connor gave Achilles shit for it, incompetent and reckless can be two different things
Shay didn't betray the Creed he just abandoned Achilles' twisted ideals of justice. The biggest flaw in this game was the ending with Achilles, he just kinda gives up.
Well Shay did kill most of the brotherhood and Haytham left him crippled so that drove him to depression, that's why he didnt want to train Connor at first but that gave him hope of redemption
All Shay wanted was to protect the people. He found the Templars to be more noble in that pursuit than the Assassins, and so it made sense to abandon the broken tenets of the Assassin's creed and embrace the ideals of the Order. In a technical sense he did in fact betray his old life... but for good reason.
@@adude4335 my guy... I know Alexios wasn't an assassin. I was just saying he pretty much is (along with Kassandra) the most powerful protagonist till now
He didn't betray them. They betrayed the Assassins, who's job it is to protect people from the Templars, not covet power. If a member of theirs showed up and said "We need to not ever mess with this' then they should've listened. They didn't, they wanted power, and they tried to kill him for it. Then they further turned their backs on the Assassin ethos with their actions in New York. Far as I'm concerned, Shay is the only true Assassin in this game. The others were nothing but power hungry crooks claiming to be Assassins.
Making him one of the most tragic Protagonists in the series, he believed in the Assassins code more selflessly than anyone else around him. Yet he was scuffed at, ostracized, and almost killed when he acted in there best morals. Seeing the faults in there philosophy and methods, he can’t agree with it anymore. Now Shay kills those he once thought were his family, believing the world would be better without there principles. For people he thought were villains, who appreciated and respected him in a way none of his “brothers and sisters” ever did. I pity him.
WizGamer Lion Def, and I think Achilles realized pretty soon how he was unfit to lead the brotherhood. And that someone like Connor should take his place, say what you will about Connor’s likability. You can’t deny his dedication and selfless towards the Creed, no one else of his time was more motivated to redeem it.
@@arielfetters5662 I agree, my guess is the colonial brotherhood brainwashed him and made him believe that Shay betrayed the Assassins when in fact they destroyed everything the Assassins stood for.
... didn't he and the Templars started the French Revolution as "payback" against the Assassins from bringing down their operations in the Colonies, which killed hundred of people?
Ahem... Juhani, Francois de la Serre, his daughter Elise, Lafreniere, and now Alfred the Great, not to mention Shay, Monro, Gist, and many others of the Colonial Rite.
Both factions are extreme... They're opposite ends of a coin. Neither is good nor evil and both sought peace, though their methods differed. That's why I love AC3 so much, it sheds light on this despite the fact you play as an assassin
"What kind of world are we making if we cannot show mercy?" If only the Templars or even Shay himself had kept these words close to heart, the world would be a much better place. That said, what Shay did was at least some-what logical, you can't blame him for not trusting in Achilles to come to his senses before they messed with another site. Now supporting the Templars and helping them rise to power that at least is quite questionable to put it mildly.
Why should it be questionable if the Templars do "better" work in this regard than the Assassins for Shay? I think we should get rid of this "Templars = evil and assassins = good" thinking
@@ryszakowy he is kind of like balance of them ( like the balance of the light side and dark side of force, jedi aren't always good sith aren't always bad) same logic
@@twohandedswordsman852 It doesn't even have to be just games. Maybe they could make a comic series based on them or a novel. A large reason why I have mostly stepped away from the franchise is because we play as Assassins all the time. And after Rogue, it gave a pretty unique perspective, not just in gameplay but in story too.
@@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337 Same here, Rogue is my favourite AC, Shay is my favourite character. I so badly want another game where he is the protagonist, or one with Cudgel.
@@kadasrichard Oh yeah he had a grandson Cudgel. I'd like a story foucsed around him too. But not just around the Cormac family. A lot of history out there to tell a story that is set from the Templar perspective.
Shay care peoples. The assassins in this game are so selfish. They'd blamed the templars but they didn't realized they're nothing different than the templars.
The age of the colonial brotherhood fascinates me. It’s definitely the most flawed version of the assassin brotherhood and I really think we deserve to see how it ends. Ubisoft should do a game where Shay, Connor and Arno are each main characters. All of their stories are unfinished. By the end of Unity, each of these characters are still alive and it felt like they were setting up a final confrontation between Shay’s colonial Templar order and Connor as the final member of the colonial brotherhood of assassins. Arno also has unfinished business with Shay as the man responsible for killing his father. These characters actually have motivations for attacking each other and there is so much unresolved story here.
ehh shay would be way too old even asumming he hasnt died of old age already to really put up a fight against connor or arno so there’s not much conflict
Such an underrated character of the franchise. I love his whole character arc, he is my second most favorite character of the entire series. So human, and truly just wants to save people. I also loved how they gave more to the whole templar-assassin war, I love when it when in a story it's not just good and evil.
Shay was the perfect epitome of " Nothing is true, everything is permitted". And he followed the creed of Assassins religiously even though he was a templlar
I think Haytham mostly took to heart what Shay said about showing mercy. He showed this mercy to Connor when they initially meet eachother years later. But as Otso Berg said, he was prone to emotional outbursts such as killing Reginald Birch, crippling Achilles, as beating Benjamin Church.
you unlock this by beating the game on the hardest mode with the controls reversed using only your fists and wearing a blindfold without dying or taking a single hit.
Javier Winn Achilles was a jackass who knew his mother wasn’t kill by Templar’s nor was his village burn by them, Achilles however was the same age as his grandpa, a bit too old
We need more Templar games. Even if it has to be its own separate series, it'd be cool as hell. Maybe with some new mechanics more fitting to a templar than an Assassin.
Svetlana Sokolov Shay is the true hero for doing what was right. The brotherhood as corrupt. If it was another brotherhood of assassins they maybe Shay wouldn’t need to turn against them.
@@David-nq8cv achilles new that was most likely to happen when shay found the artifact that's why he sent shay there. Shay was sent like a lamb to slaughter.
everytime Achilles had the chance to talk things out with shay he was like 'Oh I am just gonna call you DiSsRespeCtfuLl one more time.' who thought making him incharge of the assasins was a good idea?
@@azureheart2846 well he would never agree with what the templars stood for but I'm sure he wouldn't be ok with what the assassin's did either cus he never really was one he was more loyal to the people then to a cause
"it was donated by the brotherhood" Poor Haytham..if only Edward was still alive he would have taught Haytham to be a badass of an Assassin And not wound up on Reginald Birch's hands and become a Templar with assassin's training
The best part with this game is that it shows that the Templars aren't necessarily always the "evil" ones, nor that they are the only ones vulnerable to corruption and being misguided. Troughout the series, we've seen many examples of Templars using horrific tactics and behavior that goes against the Templars original goal of peace and order. Here, the roles are reverse, with people like Achilles and Chevalier acting arrogantly and carelessly with no regard for the loss of human lives in their search for power
one thing about this mission. if you not kill Adewale and let him running for 30 mins (if i'm not wrong), he died of a heart attack and thats funny. sad but funny
Whats really intresting is that there is no good or bad side in the series. Templars want to make a better world by law and order, Assassin's want to make a better world by giving the people freedom. Both of the sides have the same dream but the sides have different ways of doing it.
Yeah I’ve gotten that sense too, too much order and it becomes tyranny, too much freedom and it’s chaos so they check and balance eachother. However I find the creed to be way more benevolent simply because the Templar’s do seek complete control and they also have a cult of baphomet we learn in unity which is historically accurate . I’m pretty sure the father of understanding is merely an ode to Satan but I suppose that can be seen as a bit off the rails.
I love how you see small parts of humanity in Haythem throughout the story, such as putting his hand on Shay's shoulder after killing Adewale, and the soft voice in which he says "come," he knows he can't exactly undo what happened, but you can tell he genuinely cares for Shay.
No, the Assassin's betrayed him instead Adewale did said it in Davenport Homestead that these precursor sites are somewhat unstable. When the device in it is pulled out and dematerialized, since I used Shay to sneak up on them at the bushes and evesdropping on them. But Achilles just ignored it This is what happens when you follow a bad mentor with twisted ideals
I know people say Shay Cormac wasn’t evil but at the end it did he turn into a full Templar mainly because he sees the brotherhood as flaw. These also happen in assassin's creed revelations where in a side mission one assassin turn against the brotherhood for failing him.
I can understand Shay leaving because how flawed the Brotherhood was at the time. But I honestly can’t agree with his actual reasoning. Explicitly blaming the earthquake on the Assassin’s, believing that Achilles intentionally knew and did on purpose. It reeks of Shay shifting the blame. Again I know that the Assassins at the time where heavily flawed. Not to mention them telling Shay everything after he killed them, like what the hell?! But I don’t agree with others saying that Shay is a good man.
Poor Shay :(. Matriarchs and, Superiority of the assassins can be mislead of what it means to be a leader to do something right, instead of being treated unequally. We cannot defend the assassins and, Templars. But what we must know is that shay had so much sorrow and, yet confessions are being made to get to the point of what the assassins did wrong and, what could have prevented from the situation of killing those innocent people.
“For better we pull the strings” John Pitcairn. The Templar’s were the best things that could have happened in the in the colonies at that time. Hathem schooled Conner in telling him this.
@@MrWill9002 actually if you played Altair Chronicles which takes place before AC1, the assassins and templars got his first lover killed so at the beginning of AC1 he broke all 3 tenets of the creed because he wanted death but his mentor still had use for him so he used him to kill the templars then the mentor betrayed Altair and the creed
I was talking with my brother about the possibility of during Ac 3 Shay making a small cameo and then the full story coming out in rogue I felt like that would've made the whole rogue story that much cooler
Kind of annoying that they had Haytham walk right past Adewale as if he was just some other npc. I mean, he was his dad’s best friend. Even IF he hated what Adewale stood for, he could have at least acknowledged him in some way... even if it was a mean comment
Neither side is evil nor good. But this time, the assassins were real assholes I see the assassins as Sith Lords and Templars as Jedi Knights. Assassins delivered to the passion willing to bring the system down, Templar Knights delivered to order and civilization forgeting their hearts.
While going through Blood and Wine again, I discovered something. Right after you killed the bruxa from corvo bianco, you have to see palmerin near the arena. However, if you go during the night, you can find him a bit further, sleeping. If you talk to him, you can have some extra bit of dialogue. It's a bit short but still cool. Geralt and him mentions some book events and then, they both go to the arena.
Honestly, I would’ve loved to have seen a sequel to Shay’s story. They left off on such a high note with him killing Charles Dorian and setting in motion the events of AC Unity, but then Ubisoft ended his story. I wanted to know where he went, what he was going to do, or if it was going to be Shay leading the Templars in Paris, and not another Sage. But Shay had a mission and a new Creed that he had created, and I wanted to see what he was going to do with it.
Nahh man Shay was betrayed He in fact was the best man in the brotherhood and the templar order He saw beyond this petty conflict and did what was right No other character except altaïr had this courage, to directly oppose his mentor, knowing it was the right thing to do
The only difference between Shay and Altair, is that the ladder will be hailed as a hero and a savior. Shay sacrificed the most and did the dirtiest work while he’s at worst a traitorous monster. Or a defecting pet of the Templar’s at best- Shay will know no reward or happy ending for what he’s done to protect people. He saved the world...but that world doesn’t have much for him now. Witnessing this playfully, good-hearted young warrior- warped into a cold shell in an endless war thats caused all of his suffering is tragic to say the least. I pity him.
Drew Foster Honestly yeah, I can’t tell whose story is sadder Shay’s or Connor’s? Ezio found peace in the end even as all the answers he searched desperately for couldn’t be attained. Altair went out without any regrets, Arno at least had the order or what little was left of it then. Connor’s order was practically nonexistent by his end, it was just an empty base of operations and himself. Shay, well, Shay’s with the men and women who he killed his friends for as he’s nothing but a tool at best or a monster at worst. Really I think Shay and Connor are the biggest individual victims of this war. The Kenway’s as a family had it worse too.
during my playthrough of this game i always felt it was rushed. the concept would lend itself very well to interpersonal drama and conflict and while it kind of IS there i think it was very understated. almost like the devs knew what they wanted to do and tried to show a bit of it but had to just kinda rush through it. it has almost no heavy hitting story beats and it feels like it really should have had some. funnily enough. considering this was developed alongside unity and released at almost the same time that probably is how it went down as well lol
Yep, nothing in the story made me actually question the creed, I wanted to see an assassins brotherhood gone bad or just become too extreme in its methods of executing the creed and instead got some weird criminals that dress up like assassins but act nothing like them.
@@kristiyangrigorov5232 Yes it was ? Have you read my comment ? As I said, they acted more like a criminal organization than a Brotherhood of Assassins, they followed none of the creeds.
I like that they made an assassin turned templar but I feel that should've been about hathem who was an assassin turned templar.. it couldve been a black flag 2 of some sorts
I always though it would have been better and more awesome if the story for AC Rogue would have been Shay going COMPLETELY rogue and went against both the Assassins and Templars. Almost like becoming his own identity and party in universe and trying for his entire life to undermine and go against the two groups. Realizing both are "bad" in his own view and coming to that conclusion on his own. But hey you can't have everything and I though AC Rogue was good enough.
This game makes me think the templars are not as bad as you think they are they were stopping the assassins from taking isu artifacts from the temples that hold to world together the assassins were causing earthquakes because of this and killing many innocent people
A game all about perspective. The assassins let thousands die and turned around and were going to do it again. The person to save shae after the assassins left him for dead was a Templar who actually wanted to help people and the assassins killed him as well there is no reason for shay not to see them as the villains. Their actions became the ends justify the means betraying their own tenants even Achilles said so at the end but by then both sides were so dug into their sides they couldn’t see a compromise.
if Shay would have really wanted to prevent more disasters from happening, he wouldn't have joined the templars which crave even more for the pieces of eden than the assassins
Just finished rogue, i knew nothing about the game beforehand, and i'm obsessed with Shay. Hope in more than one way was right when she said that Shay had so much wasted potential. I wish he'd gotten more love from ubisoft.
You know what would’ve been cold, when he killed adewale and the final line of dialogue he should’ve said. “Maybe I have but it takes a monster to kill a monster”
In a cutscene, Adewale was behind the wheel of Experto Crede (His ship) with a french along side him. With him fighting against the french in Freedom Cry, it kinda doesn’t add up
Honestly speaking shay lived one of the best lives, he got his revenge, kept killing assasins, didnt got killed, lived up to an old age and trained his son and grandson.
As much as I enjoy this game, particularly the naval combat, IMO this is the weakest story AC’s ever done. A story from the Templar POV could’ve been interesting if the Assassins weren’t turned into villainous caricatures of themselves in the telling of it. After all, the game NEEDS Shay to go Rogue, or this game doesn’t exist.
Altair and Ezio would've been disgusted with the Colonial Assassins, they literally broke all the rules of the creed, Shay is ironically the embodiment of what they fought for while Achilles and his followers were just selfish power hungry crooks.
John shay followed the assassin’s creed religiously. He was more of an assassin than of the colonial brotherhood ever was
true, rule 1: don't kill civilians is broken when the gangs under Achilles abused the people along with the earthquakes killing many. Rule 2: hide in plain sight is broken because he started gangs which have the insignia. Rule 3 is broken if you break the other two since you compromise its values. Shay embodied the assassins more than Achilles.
The Ezio Trilogy and the first game was a bit perfect to a degree, it didn't show much human error in terms of the Assassin's following their creed. Fizhy explains it well, AC3 & Rogue do a good job at explaining this, that the assassins aren't perfect, but are trying to do their best for the world.
I wouldn't say "power hungry crooks," more like deluded, untrustworthy idiots." If they were power hungry, then they would know what that power would be. Also, Shay's right they should've listened to him.
I honestly don't know why Achilles didn't listen to Shay, or the other Assassins believed him.
They killed thousands in Haiti an Portugal
Imagine how great of a story AC3 would be if Achilles was killed and Adewale lived instead. He could've been on a shed and trained Connor instead. And tell the legendary tales of his rested Grandfather, Edward Kenway.
Connor knows about his grandfather tho
That would’ve been cool but Adewale was already an old man during this game, by the time Connor found him he would be near death at best so training him would be unlikely
Adewale was already 50 to late 60s in Rouge and since Achilles is 60 in AC3 Adewale would be 80 or 90 years old so training him would be impossible.
But Altair lived to be 91 so maybe possible
Awesome!
Lol I luv how this comment is like the top comment but one was made seven months ago and had less likes
Shay: Achilles has lost everything. He wouldn't dare leave his Homestead.
Haytham: He won't.
Shay: Just hope he doesn't train your own son to kill you.
Haytham: What?
Shay: Eh?
*insert Curb your Enthusiasm theme*
I feel like shay did it in poropes
lol that was like Achilles ultimate troll revenge on Haytham for everything that transpired in this game. Especially the gunshot wound by Haytham that crippled Achilles.
He did
if only shay didn't stop haytham from killing achilles...
Hold down, who betrayed who? He was sent to a mission that killed thousands of innocents, and when he returned telling everyone that exact thing, they refused to listen or believe him, going to try to repeat the same thing which would kill thousands more, while shay tried to stop them, and they shot him at the back.
This game really shows that the assassins are just as obsess as the Templar, and just as much to blame for the war lasting eons
When Achilles found the precursors he gived up, so theres no reason to shay betray them , he just had to wait the assassins notice thats he was right, shay is a bad explored character and the history of rogue is
badly done
KageNoTenshi Besides all of that. The assassins treated shay like shit.
“This game really shows that the assassins are just as obsess as the Templars”
I mean not really,i’d say that both sides are in the “Gray” depending on their mentors
AC2 for example,the Italian brotherhood wasn’t bad,no “obsession for power”,the Templars however,they had Borgia,and he was obsessed with the staff and tried his best to get it
But in AC Rogue,the Assassin’s were the ones that were obsessed with power (by their mentor Achilles),he realized his mistake and made sure to never repeat it in AC3,but the Templars had their reasons,Connor was killing them just to do so,following his mentor (who had a grudge against Haytham for crippling him,probably started this “kill list” just to get to Haytham),Johnson wanted to buy the land because he wanted to protect the Natives (which may i add,Connor’s tribe),Pitcairn wanted to end the war,Hicky wanted to remove Washington because he wasn’t worthy of command,and so on
In Unity,Mirabeau made peace with the Templars,which fucked up the Assassins and made them weaker during the Revolution,as Bellec said “peace with the Templars is a fairy tale”
Not sure about Syndicate,the twins just wanted to free London to ensure a better future for its people,they were (let’s say,outlaws),because they were supposed to go back to Crawley,instead they disobeyed and went to London,they made their goal at the end,no mentors were involved in that game,but Starrick deserved to die anyway
if Altair is there he will be freaking flip & consider them as a traitor (like ins AC revelation) & Shay would be even more a loyal Assasin
@@wolzard9006 haytham and lee started a massacre in Boston and Johnson tried to kill the natives in his homestead they were as lost as the old colonial assassins
A shame Adewale became like this. I liked him better in Black Flag.
yeah, he was cool in Freedom Cry
Adewale wasn't wrong. Achilles is the bad one.
@@AceGriffin8839 but he worked with him and that's the bad thing
What he did in blackflag leaving Edward behind to be almost killed by Roberts made me not regret killing him in Rogue
@@curlyfriboi655 yeah XD
Underrated game if you ask me, many people slept on it just cause it looked like Black flag 2.0 which in their defense it kinda was but the story was great.
Story is actually just as good or maybe better gameplay is the same awesome and more fun since it's not full of FUCKIN TAILING MISSIONS
Nah it's overrated, the story has an insanely good premise but derails into just switching the roles of the assassins and templars instead of actually showing the merit of the templars, the assassins acted completely out of character as a group, they might as well have been just some colonial criminal organization, nothing would've changed and it was too short and fast-paced, I couldn't give less of a fuck about Shay at the end of the game even though he's a badass.
@@modarnwarfare2rull that's the whole point, it shows that both the assassins and template are one in the same just different ideals
I know right
Derp Herp that’s literally the point of this game
Shay never really cared about assassins or templars.
He was more indulge in only to do the right thing whether it involved assassin's or not. Therefore he spared achilles.
And so he never went back during ac3 during connor's time.
It embodies the phrase " nothing is true, everything is permitted.
"
thats how i felt about Shay, say if he escape the homestead undetected i think he would have taken the book and just dissappeared, it was only the assassins trying to kill him did they push him into the arms of the Templars
its funny how assassin's say 'everything is permitted' but cant even permitted to break their tenants.
How they say about earning freedoms but they follow orders.
I think assassin's are equally bunch of shits just like templars. Like most assassin's tried to make their influences and joined the templars.
Its just some assassin's who are great and truly care about peace and freedom of others.
@@learniteasy8146 Watch the last scene in AC revelations. The quote isn't literal, it has a bit of a meaning behind it.
@ it dependes on your perspective i guess. i mean even a man like Edward Kenway become one and a good one at that then how come it wasnt on your own way of life.
Shay is an awfully tragic character, he believed in the Assassins code more selflessly than anyone else around him. Only to be ostracized and shot down as a traitor in his attempt to act in the Order’s moral interest. Now he kills the ones he thought were his family in an organization he once considered villains. Believing that the world would be better off without the very code he nearly died for. I pity him.
All it takes is realization, and by choice that person is made. There's a price to pay for.
Had he not gone through tragedy and betrayal he would not have learned the truth, and he would live a lie, thinking his work was bringing good, all the way sowing seeds of destruction. If not for Templars like Monro, Gist, and Haytham, who showed understanding and openness by hearing him out and bringing him into the fold, Shay would be truly miserable. He finally found purpose and a true sense of righteousness with his new family. You should be happy for him.
Wow. Just wow
Achilles made the mistakes, i'm not supporting shay betrayal, but the assassins need 'some slap' to their face.
@inominated communist you should have state your reason.
He was more like a chaotic good character. His task was to prevent more earthquakes, and it didn't matter if it were the Assassins or the Templars who did it.
@baconhairplayz No
Finally someone gets it
And chaotic good is what assassins stand for
I'd join the Templars
the thing is templars dont seek out chaos like the assassin's do and many ppl love to point out that rogues story is basically a reverse role for 'assassin's being bad now' and 'templars being good now' which definitely isnt the fudging case and even the ac youtubers like lazerzz and the one who makes 'everysingle assassin's creed ruined the franchise' videos dont get it about rogue
Assassins (that Shay killed) were like: "So, yeah, it's really necessary to tell Shay about our secret plan before I die instead of keeping my mouth shut and letting him know nothing so he can't stop us".
hahaha truuu
Looks like every body want to help him and even chose a empty place to check about the precursors but aquiles was just so hungry power
I think in their final moments they realised what they had done and wanted to make amends
Lol the templars did the same thing
Its like a redemption for all, even the templars do it in other games, just in chase they are wrong, its the same with this assasins.
The fact that shay even show a bit of regret when killing the assassins (except for that one guy) makes me appreciate his character more
That one guy is that French captain right?
No Name that guy was a bitch ngl
the where all duehbugs and I don't feel sorry for them except for Adewale who didn't deserv it
Who? Chevalier?
Adewale?
It would be cool if the made an Assassin's Creed game about a Templar turned Assassin.
@@DavidJimenez-jp6gm unfortunately your idea is debunked because in one of the books, it said Shay trained all his children and grandchildren to hunt assassins
@@David-nq8cv I mean a son he didn't know he had that he learns of later. His mother named the boy. Shay later took the boy and raised him in the ways of the templars. He betrays because of the revolution and vows to bring down the Templars in the Colonies.
@@David-nq8cv And also this is a Fanfic idea.
@@DavidJimenez-jp6gm which doesn't happen but a nice idea
@@David-nq8cv Haytham was raised by Edward to become an assassin, instead, he became the Grand Master of the colonial rite, just like Haytham thinks that becoming a templar is about reaching a realization about human nature so does becoming an actual assassin rather than whatever the fuck Shay was doing.
Well...technically they betrayed him. All he wanted was to stop the search for the precursor sites.
Yep because of them he feels the guilt of thousands dead and wanted to save everyone else
@@David-nq8cv and Achilles learned that the creed ain't perfect and he was wrong....the HARD way
Guardian Morohtar my words exactly
Guardian Morohtar and yet he was still going to trick a young boy to kill his own father knowing his father and the Templar didn’t kill his mother or burn his village just so he could get his revenge for his leg
@@KageNoTenshi wrong dumbass. He didn't trick anyone...well except for franklin
Shay did nothing wrong. Well maybe killing Arno's fathers making him a bad character for Unity but thats all.
Yeah it was all Achilles and the corrupted brotherhood's fault
@@svetlanasokolov6582 you're too biased to the Assassins to see the error of their actions, and FYI only the templars in AC3, 4 and Rogue actually had good intentions
@@svetlanasokolov6582 well that is correct rofl. Did you even play Rogue? Shay did nothing wrong, Achilles' assassins broke a tenet of the creed.
@@antonioskoda9516 nah he just hates it because we play as an Assassin hunter in the game
@@svetlanasokolov6582 they broke never kill the innocent, by killing thousands just for a piece of eden doesn't matter if it's an accident it's still indirect murder, they were using the city to test unstable chemicals and had gangs, and never compromise the brotherhood by choosing a relic over people which is against the creed, if you still believe the Assassins in this game did nothing you're clearly delusional
I Love How One Man Shay Patrick Cormac Took Down the whole Colonial Brotherhood and spared the mentor who then later trained an Assassin who destroyed the whole Templar Influence in America
Connor try to 'repair' the mistakes that achilles made during his younger days, and it was achilles who crumbled the colonial assassins. It was his mistakes who make his men killed.
I learned one thing in this game. The Assassins not always a good person.
definitely ;]
Well in the end, the assassin-templar war is not a war between good guys and bad guys.
Assassins want anarchy
Templars want order
Its all political.
The Imperial Army in odyssey there is only one thing I like when Layla says that she now follows chaos and not order cause assasins are chaos and Templar are order kass/alex says “order and chaos should be United none can exist without each other”
The Templars seek to control the population, whereas the Assassins believe humanity has the right of free will and should be able to choose for themselves. However the Assassins in Rogue were more obsessed with power than freedom. Even though Shay did defect from them to the Templars and later killed them, I can't put him at fault. Despite everything, he believed in the Creed. It wasn't until he realized they cared about the Pieces of Eden more than the lives of innocents, that the Colonial Assassins had broken the tenants of the Creed.
2geekygamers they sort of became like the templars like how when shay says “who are we to decide the the fate of these people” Achilles relies “it is our duty to guide them” like where did the free will go dude?
The horror of watching him disregard the optional objectives
Every Assassin Shay killed be like,
“I wAs A dIsTrAcTiOn”
Edit: Holy shit thank you all so much for the likes, lol. 😄
Not, le chausser. Rest were a distraction.
And what about Adéwalé? He didn't mean to distract anyone, he just died cuz the templars wanted it
@@Engille967 More like him being stuck on the BS Achilles pulled when the Assassins allied with the French. Ironically though, Adewale hated the French throughout Freedom Cry because of the Slave Trade, and he was actually helping them at Rogue
@@PremPrakash-hs2sk Hunter wasn't an assassin though, he was an ally
Ironic considering when Shay killed Washington, Washington said he was a distraction and Liam said “that’s what he wanted you to think”.
Betrayal? Hardly. He's been enlightened.
May the father of understanding guide us
More like wronged he was just unlucky to have joined the colonial brotherhood if he joined any other brotherhood he wouldn't have defected
May the father of understanding guide us
Templars! We have your IP addresses and your locations!
"Nothing is True..."
@@davidhills5434 no need to worry, all artifacts are on my hands
I truly think Liam was the best assassin and the most respected. Even Shay respected him to the very end and Liam saying he hopes that world is a good one makes me think that he believes Shay was fighting for what was right despite who he chose to side with
He knew deep inside of him they were best friends before shay turned on him and those who supported him
He was too corrupted to to even give Shay a chance to forgive him
Instead he had to chase him and murder him for him going too far
He didn't want to sound so harsh before dying
He believed in his friend. Liam was still a friend in the end
10:33 these guys are literally the most incompetent assassins faction in history Shay did nothing wrong
kinda dumb to say that, if you wouldve played the first game itself you wouldve known how recless Assassins are
@@brahm9611 if your talking about that one assassin who hurt his leg jumping into the haystack or Altair charging the guy in the beginning causing the death of another sure reckless, but this is the mentor of the entire colonial chapter, and yes, he’s incompetent because he doomed the entire order, if you would have played the 3rd game you would know that even Connor gave Achilles shit for it, incompetent and reckless can be two different things
These guy are disgrace for the assassins, except for shay.
Shay didn't betray the Creed he just abandoned Achilles' twisted ideals of justice. The biggest flaw in this game was the ending with Achilles, he just kinda gives up.
Well Shay did kill most of the brotherhood and Haytham left him crippled so that drove him to depression, that's why he didnt want to train Connor at first but that gave him hope of redemption
Achilles gave up because he was only trying to do the right thing and in the end he knew that Shay had been right all along.
All Shay wanted was to protect the people. He found the Templars to be more noble in that pursuit than the Assassins, and so it made sense to abandon the broken tenets of the Assassin's creed and embrace the ideals of the Order. In a technical sense he did in fact betray his old life... but for good reason.
@@SniperKing5 if only achilles listen to him, he would save his men and not spend the rest of his life in his isolated homestead.
Even achilles admit his wrong in the end
Funny that almost everyone here was struck down by Connor
Everyone a gangsta until connor comes with his tomohawk
Well he pretty much was the strongest assassin there was, until Alexios came with his fucking magic spear
@@paulmihai210 alexios isnt an assassin so nah
@@adude4335 my guy... I know Alexios wasn't an assassin. I was just saying he pretty much is (along with Kassandra) the most powerful protagonist till now
@@paulmihai210 Alexios came with his sword. Kassandra got the spear
He didn't betray them. They betrayed the Assassins, who's job it is to protect people from the Templars, not covet power. If a member of theirs showed up and said "We need to not ever mess with this' then they should've listened. They didn't, they wanted power, and they tried to kill him for it. Then they further turned their backs on the Assassin ethos with their actions in New York.
Far as I'm concerned, Shay is the only true Assassin in this game. The others were nothing but power hungry crooks claiming to be Assassins.
Making him one of the most tragic Protagonists in the series, he believed in the Assassins code more selflessly than anyone else around him. Yet he was scuffed at, ostracized, and almost killed when he acted in there best morals. Seeing the faults in there philosophy and methods, he can’t agree with it anymore. Now Shay kills those he once thought were his family, believing the world would be better without there principles. For people he thought were villains, who appreciated and respected him in a way none of his “brothers and sisters” ever did. I pity him.
WizGamer Lion Def, and I think Achilles realized pretty soon how he was unfit to lead the brotherhood. And that someone like Connor should take his place, say what you will about Connor’s likability. You can’t deny his dedication and selfless towards the Creed, no one else of his time was more motivated to redeem it.
Ariel Fetters I didn’t want adewale to die
@@hlinneyefc75 I think, if Adawale knew the whole story from both sides, he'd have helped Shay.
@@arielfetters5662 I agree, my guess is the colonial brotherhood brainwashed him and made him believe that Shay betrayed the Assassins when in fact they destroyed everything the Assassins stood for.
Let's not forget he saved the world, by "betraying" Brotherhood. He never meant to hurt civilians so that's why I love him.
... didn't he and the Templars started the French Revolution as "payback" against the Assassins from bringing down their operations in the Colonies, which killed hundred of people?
This is the only part where i believe the Templars are good, I mean yeah, they take Order to the EXTREME, but The Assassins were no better in this.
Ahem... Juhani, Francois de la Serre, his daughter Elise, Lafreniere, and now Alfred the Great, not to mention Shay, Monro, Gist, and many others of the Colonial Rite.
Both factions are extreme... They're opposite ends of a coin. Neither is good nor evil and both sought peace, though their methods differed. That's why I love AC3 so much, it sheds light on this despite the fact you play as an assassin
@@sharathnavada3645 and that's why I love Odyssey so much, story wise. Shows both sides of the story
@@sharathnavada3645 FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN BIG ENOUGH TO REALISE THAT NO ONE IS REALLY BAD
there is only one true assassin and it's ezio the assassin's in this game even heair criminals
I see a lot of templars in the comments.
I like both sides.
@@javierwinn405 both sides are wrong in some way
May the Father of Understanding guide us.
i see a assassin fanboy who cant see templars and assassins are both wrong and neither side is better
May the father of understanding guide us
"What kind of world are we making if we cannot show mercy?" If only the Templars or even Shay himself had kept these words close to heart, the world would be a much better place. That said, what Shay did was at least some-what logical, you can't blame him for not trusting in Achilles to come to his senses before they messed with another site. Now supporting the Templars and helping them rise to power that at least is quite questionable to put it mildly.
Why should it be questionable if the Templars do "better" work in this regard than the Assassins for Shay? I think we should get rid of this "Templars = evil and assassins = good" thinking
@@padaro4504 so this game replaces it with assassins bad - templars good
and you're gobbling it up like a jug of kool aid
@@ryszakowy he is kind of like balance of them ( like the balance of the light side and dark side of force, jedi aren't always good sith aren't always bad) same logic
I'm supporting the Shay, but not the assassins and the templars. 😁
@@kadruninsaf5467 well he is cool he is sort of freelancer, partly vigilante, assasin ways with Templar ideology but still....
He's basically the "Itachi" in assassin's Creed series lol
At least I'm not the only one that knows anime and ac
potato itachi
Itachi without the power of anime
@Ben Dover itachi but with luck
@@legomen8022 Itachi but Itachi who makes his own luck
I hope Ubisoft does more games from the Order's perspective.
Yeah, because honestly, before Rogue, Ubi antagonized Templars too much.
@@twohandedswordsman852 It doesn't even have to be just games. Maybe they could make a comic series based on them or a novel. A large reason why I have mostly stepped away from the franchise is because we play as Assassins all the time. And after Rogue, it gave a pretty unique perspective, not just in gameplay but in story too.
@@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337 Same here, Rogue is my favourite AC, Shay is my favourite character. I so badly want another game where he is the protagonist, or one with Cudgel.
@@kadasrichard Oh yeah he had a grandson Cudgel. I'd like a story foucsed around him too. But not just around the Cormac family. A lot of history out there to tell a story that is set from the Templar perspective.
Which Order?
Shay did nothing wrong he did what was for the best saving thousands of lives
Thank you
@British Empire hello British Empire, I personally love You're accents. Have a great day, may skyrim be with you.
Yyeeeee...because supporting an organization that is responsible e.g. for WWII "helps" the innocent .
Shay care peoples. The assassins in this game are so selfish. They'd blamed the templars but they didn't realized they're nothing different than the templars.
No....millions.
Shay didn’t betray the brotherhood, the brotherhood betrayed shay.
no pretty sure he betrayed everyone
@@ryszakowy colonial assassins: literally responsible for murdering innocents and act like terrorists
You: he betrayed the assassins
The age of the colonial brotherhood fascinates me. It’s definitely the most flawed version of the assassin brotherhood and I really think we deserve to see how it ends. Ubisoft should do a game where Shay, Connor and Arno are each main characters. All of their stories are unfinished. By the end of Unity, each of these characters are still alive and it felt like they were setting up a final confrontation between Shay’s colonial Templar order and Connor as the final member of the colonial brotherhood of assassins. Arno also has unfinished business with Shay as the man responsible for killing his father. These characters actually have motivations for attacking each other and there is so much unresolved story here.
ehh shay would be way too old even asumming he hasnt died of old age already to really put up a fight against connor or arno so there’s not much conflict
@@ninobeano7627eh if Altair can still be a badass at 90 so can Shay
Such an underrated character of the franchise. I love his whole character arc, he is my second most favorite character of the entire series. So human, and truly just wants to save people. I also loved how they gave more to the whole templar-assassin war, I love when it when in a story it's not just good and evil.
Shay didn't betrayed assassins. They did it first.
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yeah the where hearting people shay didn't like that actually shay is the only self a wear person
by not knowing that relics are holding tectonic plates in place?
wow big betrayal
@@ryszakowy by literally being told that they do and not giving a damn and try to kill him
It's their fault at first, shay feels disgusted by their actions.
Shay was the perfect epitome of " Nothing is true, everything is permitted". And he followed the creed of Assassins religiously even though he was a templlar
Shay did nothing wrong. May the Father of Understanding guide us !
May the father of understanding guide us
May the father of understanding guide us
May the father of understanding guide us all
For the brotherhood
May the father of understanding guides us
I think Haytham mostly took to heart what Shay said about showing mercy. He showed this mercy to Connor when they initially meet eachother years later. But as Otso Berg said, he was prone to emotional outbursts such as killing Reginald Birch, crippling Achilles, as beating Benjamin Church.
I don't remember this in The Witcher 3...
On a serious note it comes good for channel when you do this variety of games :)
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you unlock this by beating the game on the hardest mode with the controls reversed using only your fists and wearing a blindfold without dying or taking a single hit.
Conner should have been trained by adewale instead of Achilles
Javier Winn Achilles was a jackass who knew his mother wasn’t kill by Templar’s nor was his village burn by them, Achilles however was the same age as his grandpa, a bit too old
Washington and his men, in the 7 years war.
Adewale was killled their for he couldn’t train conner
@Templar Gaming why he was still part of the colonial assassins
Nah man i think Achilles got revenge from Haytham and trained Haythams Son Ratonhnh.Haketon AKA Connor Kenway to kill Haytham
I betrayed no one, it was all for the order and for the peace of the world
Which you already did and made the world a better place that it was before
We know sir we know
@@xiaoxiaoguy395 they'll both get their arses kicked
I aM mAkE mY oWn LuCk
How the hell are you alive?
We need more Templar games. Even if it has to be its own separate series, it'd be cool as hell. Maybe with some new mechanics more fitting to a templar than an Assassin.
He felt that he was the one being betrayed by the Creed
Felt? He was betrayed because of Achilles he broke the creed by accidentally killing thousands
@@David-nq8cv Yes he was, but he still felt it
@@svetlanasokolov6582 just like you?
Svetlana Sokolov Shay is the true hero for doing what was right. The brotherhood as corrupt. If it was another brotherhood of assassins they maybe Shay wouldn’t need to turn against them.
@@David-nq8cv achilles new that was most likely to happen when shay found the artifact that's why he sent shay there. Shay was sent like a lamb to slaughter.
“Hmmm... the last 2 precursor sites we found ended up destroying 2 cities. Third time’s the charm”
everytime Achilles had the chance to talk things out with shay he was like 'Oh I am just gonna call you DiSsRespeCtfuLl one more time.'
who thought making him incharge of the assasins was a good idea?
the liberals who wanted more inclusion? lol
I just learn that Edwards kenways son haythem got shay to kill edwards first mate adewale
And Edward's son was killed by Edward's grandson
And if Haytham had killed Achilles he likely would not have been killed.
Thanks god Edward was murdered so he wont get to see this pathology
@@uniquecorn491 i mean if he didn't die haytham wouldn't have become a templar
So basically, shay killed adewale which is Haytham's father friend. Then Edward grandson killed his grandson
How ironic
Honestly if Edward was still around he would probably help Shay
Sadly he died at 1730, england, in his mansion also theres a easter egg in Syndicate that you go to his mansion
Even in killing Adéwalé?
@@azureheart2846 well he would never agree with what the templars stood for but I'm sure he wouldn't be ok with what the assassin's did either cus he never really was one he was more loyal to the people then to a cause
"it was donated by the brotherhood"
Poor Haytham..if only Edward was still alive he would have taught Haytham to be a badass of an Assassin
And not wound up on Reginald Birch's hands and become a Templar with assassin's training
The best part with this game is that it shows that the Templars aren't necessarily always the "evil" ones, nor that they are the only ones vulnerable to corruption and being misguided.
Troughout the series, we've seen many examples of Templars using horrific tactics and behavior that goes against the Templars original goal of peace and order.
Here, the roles are reverse, with people like Achilles and Chevalier acting arrogantly and carelessly with no regard for the loss of human lives in their search for power
The ending kind of muddles that thought. Both Shays and Abstergo Entertainment.
one thing about this mission. if you not kill Adewale and let him running for 30 mins (if i'm not wrong), he died of a heart attack and thats funny. sad but funny
Haytham turns around and shoots Achilles in the knee...
Shay: *surprised Eziochu face* 😰😯
I’m pretty sure Edward would be disappointed in haythem being a Templar 🤔
Haytham:M....m-m
Edward:Mother Haytham? So Say Mother
Haytham:May the Father of understanding Guide us
“ The depest circle in hell is saved for betrayers and mutiniers.” - Dante Alighieri.
Huh, 2 days ago i finished this game again (96%) and Letalis just uploaded a video from it ? Thats suspicious
Everytime I watch these cutscenes or play Rogue myself I just enjoy it more and more. This is a good Assassin's Creed game, change my mind.
Whats really intresting is that there is no good or bad side in the series. Templars want to make a better world by law and order, Assassin's want to make a better world by giving the people freedom. Both of the sides have the same dream but the sides have different ways of doing it.
Yeah I’ve gotten that sense too, too much order and it becomes tyranny, too much freedom and it’s chaos so they check and balance eachother. However I find the creed to be way more benevolent simply because the Templar’s do seek complete control and they also have a cult of baphomet we learn in unity which is historically accurate . I’m pretty sure the father of understanding is merely an ode to Satan but I suppose that can be seen as a bit off the rails.
I love how you see small parts of humanity in Haythem throughout the story, such as putting his hand on Shay's shoulder after killing Adewale, and the soft voice in which he says "come," he knows he can't exactly undo what happened, but you can tell he genuinely cares for Shay.
No, the Assassin's betrayed him instead
Adewale did said it in Davenport Homestead that these precursor sites are somewhat unstable. When the device in it is pulled out and dematerialized, since I used Shay to sneak up on them at the bushes and evesdropping on them.
But Achilles just ignored it
This is what happens when you follow a bad mentor with twisted ideals
"This is a structure to hold the world together, not a weapon to control it" ironic coming from Templars which are all about control
We need a spinoff series where we play as Templars
not a bad idea
I know people say Shay Cormac wasn’t evil but at the end it did he turn into a full Templar mainly because he sees the brotherhood as flaw. These also happen in assassin's creed revelations where in a side mission one assassin turn against the brotherhood for failing him.
I can understand Shay leaving because how flawed the Brotherhood was at the time. But I honestly can’t agree with his actual reasoning. Explicitly blaming the earthquake on the Assassin’s, believing that Achilles intentionally knew and did on purpose. It reeks of Shay shifting the blame.
Again I know that the Assassins at the time where heavily flawed. Not to mention them telling Shay everything after he killed them, like what the hell?!
But I don’t agree with others saying that Shay is a good man.
Poor Shay :(. Matriarchs and, Superiority of the assassins can be mislead of what it means to be a leader to do something right, instead of being treated unequally. We cannot defend the assassins and, Templars. But what we must know is that shay had so much sorrow and, yet confessions are being made to get to the point of what the assassins did wrong and, what could have prevented from the situation of killing those innocent people.
“For better we pull the strings” John Pitcairn. The Templar’s were the best things that could have happened in the in the colonies at that time. Hathem schooled Conner in telling him this.
Shay didn't betray the Brotherhood, the Brotherhood betrayed Shay.
The Creed betrayed Shay, almost like they did with the first guy in the serie.
Yep and in Unity the creed betrayed Arno for no reason
You mean Altair? And it was his mentor who betrayed him, not the creed....at first. Then his ex friend betrayed him
@@MrWill9002 actually if you played Altair Chronicles which takes place before AC1, the assassins and templars got his first lover killed so at the beginning of AC1 he broke all 3 tenets of the creed because he wanted death but his mentor still had use for him so he used him to kill the templars then the mentor betrayed Altair and the creed
@@David-nq8cv oh yeah but to be fair, his mentor DID betray the assassins first and then betrayed the templars
@@MrWill9002 True
I was talking with my brother about the possibility of during Ac 3 Shay making a small cameo and then the full story coming out in rogue I felt like that would've made the whole rogue story that much cooler
Edward never thought his son would join the order and haythem never thought his son would kill him
And last of all, His grandson killed his son
Killing Adé fucking HURT man, I can’t lie, after all the shit you go through with him not only in Black Flag but in Freedom Cry as well
Kind of annoying that they had Haytham walk right past Adewale as if he was just some other npc. I mean, he was his dad’s best friend. Even IF he hated what Adewale stood for, he could have at least acknowledged him in some way... even if it was a mean comment
1:35 "Its over Adewale, I have the high ground!"
Jaden-Core Haytham Kenway-obi
You underestimate my power
Don’t try it
Neither side is evil nor good. But this time, the assassins were real assholes
I see the assassins as Sith Lords and Templars as Jedi Knights.
Assassins delivered to the passion willing to bring the system down, Templar Knights delivered to order and civilization forgeting their hearts.
They did make him wreck a city then refuse to hear him out. With the way they treated him, its no wonder why he defected
They saw him as an expendable.
While going through Blood and Wine again, I discovered something. Right after you killed the bruxa from corvo bianco, you have to see palmerin near the arena. However, if you go during the night, you can find him a bit further, sleeping. If you talk to him, you can have some extra bit of dialogue. It's a bit short but still cool. Geralt and him mentions some book events and then, they both go to the arena.
Bro that is a whole different game but still my favourite really liked blood and wine dlc btw
Honestly, I would’ve loved to have seen a sequel to Shay’s story. They left off on such a high note with him killing Charles Dorian and setting in motion the events of AC Unity, but then Ubisoft ended his story. I wanted to know where he went, what he was going to do, or if it was going to be Shay leading the Templars in Paris, and not another Sage. But Shay had a mission and a new Creed that he had created, and I wanted to see what he was going to do with it.
Nahh man
Shay was betrayed
He in fact was the best man in the brotherhood and the templar order
He saw beyond this petty conflict and did what was right
No other character except altaïr had this courage, to directly oppose his mentor, knowing it was the right thing to do
The only difference between Shay and Altair, is that the ladder will be hailed as a hero and a savior. Shay sacrificed the most and did the dirtiest work while he’s at worst a traitorous monster. Or a defecting pet of the Templar’s at best- Shay will know no reward or happy ending for what he’s done to protect people. He saved the world...but that world doesn’t have much for him now. Witnessing this playfully, good-hearted young warrior- warped into a cold shell in an endless war thats caused all of his suffering is tragic to say the least. I pity him.
@@violetraven8323 Shay was a true hero with no witnesses, no reward, only doing what was best for the world.
Drew Foster Honestly yeah, I can’t tell whose story is sadder Shay’s or Connor’s? Ezio found peace in the end even as all the answers he searched desperately for couldn’t be attained. Altair went out without any regrets, Arno at least had the order or what little was left of it then.
Connor’s order was practically nonexistent by his end, it was just an empty base of operations and himself. Shay, well, Shay’s with the men and women who he killed his friends for as he’s nothing but a tool at best or a monster at worst.
Really I think Shay and Connor are the biggest individual victims of this war. The Kenway’s as a family had it worse too.
I love the connections between every character
This is like their version of revenge of Sith 😂
I've never played this game but I'll watch it to support you! 😂❤
Thanks I can always count on you ;]
@@xLetalis
Bro this is a good name try it
during my playthrough of this game i always felt it was rushed. the concept would lend itself very well to interpersonal drama and conflict and while it kind of IS there i think it was very understated. almost like the devs knew what they wanted to do and tried to show a bit of it but had to just kinda rush through it. it has almost no heavy hitting story beats and it feels like it really should have had some.
funnily enough. considering this was developed alongside unity and released at almost the same time that probably is how it went down as well lol
Yep, nothing in the story made me actually question the creed, I wanted to see an assassins brotherhood gone bad or just become too extreme in its methods of executing the creed and instead got some weird criminals that dress up like assassins but act nothing like them.
@@modarnwarfare2rull poisoning the people of new york and Lisbon is not extreme enough?
@@kristiyangrigorov5232 Yes it was ? Have you read my comment ? As I said, they acted more like a criminal organization than a Brotherhood of Assassins, they followed none of the creeds.
@@modarnwarfare2rull oh yea lol. Sorry
this game was rushed and it did better then unity
Ill never get over the fact that you go into another world with the person you killed
7:38 the sound he makes after being thrown lmao.
I like that they made an assassin turned templar but I feel that should've been about hathem who was an assassin turned templar.. it couldve been a black flag 2 of some sorts
I always though it would have been better and more awesome if the story for AC Rogue would have been Shay going COMPLETELY rogue and went against both the Assassins and Templars. Almost like becoming his own identity and party in universe and trying for his entire life to undermine and go against the two groups. Realizing both are "bad" in his own view and coming to that conclusion on his own. But hey you can't have everything and I though AC Rogue was good enough.
This game makes me think the templars are not as bad as you think they are they were stopping the assassins from taking isu artifacts from the temples that hold to world together the assassins were causing earthquakes because of this and killing many innocent people
A game all about perspective. The assassins let thousands die and turned around and were going to do it again. The person to save shae after the assassins left him for dead was a Templar who actually wanted to help people and the assassins killed him as well there is no reason for shay not to see them as the villains. Their actions became the ends justify the means betraying their own tenants even Achilles said so at the end but by then both sides were so dug into their sides they couldn’t see a compromise.
2:40 why is adewale's hand white?
Its the lightning
@@ArrowShaky he ashy
if Shay would have really wanted to prevent more disasters from happening, he wouldn't have joined the templars which crave even more for the pieces of eden than the assassins
Are any of you not surprised that after shay killed the colonial assassins (except achilles), haytham shows up to check on his progress or something?
Just finished rogue, i knew nothing about the game beforehand, and i'm obsessed with Shay. Hope in more than one way was right when she said that Shay had so much wasted potential. I wish he'd gotten more love from ubisoft.
0:50 You can see Charles Lee stand next to Gist.
Yeah from Assasins creed III
You know what would’ve been cold, when he killed adewale and the final line of dialogue he should’ve said. “Maybe I have but it takes a monster to kill a monster”
And they paid the price...Shay was right tho
it’s fun how Haytham’s voice is little changed
Adewale is the only one who I wish he didn't kill because of ac 4 but I knew it had to be dome
Props to this game giving you the option to play as a templar. It's very interesting to experience the other side of the coin
Shay Patrick Cormac was a good man who should be remembered for a good thing
In a cutscene, Adewale was behind the wheel of Experto Crede (His ship) with a french along side him. With him fighting against the french in Freedom Cry, it kinda doesn’t add up
I hope Shay get sharingan when he killed his brothers and sister
Mangekyou sharingan for sure
Honestly speaking shay lived one of the best lives, he got his revenge, kept killing assasins, didnt got killed, lived up to an old age and trained his son and grandson.
Ok, i'm done with this game!
Lol
Rip
Bruh... the way you feel about this game is how I felt for AC 3 xD
As much as I enjoy this game, particularly the naval combat, IMO this is the weakest story AC’s ever done.
A story from the Templar POV could’ve been interesting if the Assassins weren’t turned into villainous caricatures of themselves in the telling of it.
After all, the game NEEDS Shay to go Rogue, or this game doesn’t exist.
@@christianfarren1179 well hope did form a gang and put flags with assassin symbols on the air, breaking the hiding in plain sight rule.