After playing Raid for four years (in the same clan!) and now in the super-end game, WOR reminds me of when Raid first launched but, more refined. I think WOR is a fun game that will grow in time just like Raid did.
One aspect that makes it WAY better than Raid is the fact it doesn't cost gold to respec your champions. Ive never understood why it costs gold to take gear off champions.
Hey LOving the new collab and its cool seeing you guys comparing the rates with other games so i know when I should save my gems and stuffz so tanks a bunch! Keep it up
On the discussion of gear: Gearing characters in any team based RPG has always been just an illusion of choice. Math will come out to a single best answer every single time. If a team member is supposed to be a killer then there will be a defined best set of stats that let them kill. The same if they are meant to be a survivor, healer, buffer, or debuffer. It's also always the case that specialization into a role is far more beneficial than spreading yourself to cover multiple openings, because filling the other needs is ultimately the job of other characters. In solo oriented systems there can be more play around hybridization, but in 99% of all games ever math will point to a single, optimal solution to any question. Randomized gear isn't made for players as a "feature", but for the devs as a "time sink".
The pressure of "keeping up the pace" is one of the aspects of these games that needs to be talked about more. Personally I always feel like I'm behind the 8 ball because I know that if I haven't made enough progress in normal play then I won't be able to properly focus on events. Then, if I can't focus on events, I'll miss out on key heroes and other progression that will just put me further and further in the hole. It's a major portion of what leads to burn out because I don't believe anyone truly wants to feel nervous that a reset is coming up and they haven't finished all of their "chores".
I played raid for years, and I definitely didn't have 9 legendaries 3 weeks into the game like I do now playing wor. You get a lot more summons in wor than you do in raid.
I also played Raid, ftp for years (reached Plat arena, was a guild leader etc.) but gave it up because it was taking so much of my time. With WoR, I can spend 15-20 minutes and be done for the day or spend more time, taking part in events like the Isode shard summons. In WoR, I just got my 2nd legendary yesterday, so not having your luck but still having fun with the game.
@@Thurgosh_OG I agree. Just getting through the daily and advanced quests every day takes more time than just playing WoR completely. Raid: Shadow Legends also have some stupid quest lines, like where you have to be consistent in Gold Arena for months, then later they have a quest to just reach Gold Arena. It's totally the wrong way around.
I know I'm late to comment but as a new player, I simply cannot ignore how much more generous the f2p summon currency is in this game compared to Raid. I am 2 weeks in and have 7 legos. I was almost 2 months into Raid and had 0.
Like the game, but the devs are sneaky, like when they never used to show that Lords had a lower drop rate, and the guarenteed lego banner that shown all the legos but only 4 dropped
37:57 Sounds similar to Team Fight Tactics or like autobattlers (Storybook Brawl, Hearthstone battlegrounds etc). Not quite the same, but the premise is basically drafting among a pool of randomized cards/heroes from the entire collection available. Their mechanics are of course more complex since that is the only game mode available. PvP is a hard nut to crack for all games I think. Though, I wonder if Gacha games are particularly incentivized to not make the playing field fair though, to encourage players to spend their way to victory.
I used to play Moonton's other gacha Mobile Legends Adventure a crazy amount. I was even a tiny whale, spending well over $100 when I was deep into it. Then they added a million new modes and features, it became too tedious to do dailies.
This was fun, wasn't expecting him to be handsome lol. Both of you have different games you've played and that makes for a deep dive anywhere you want. The biggest difference between WOR and Raid is that the devs at least respond sensibly. Plarium likes to talk balance while designing champs and dungeons for Krakens and deliberately broke arena cuz Ukraine. At least there's hope in WOR
I think they drop price after the month is over but Im not sure, I got the stamina one. Oooo, Pulled Veirna first pull this morning haha, up to 9 legos and only 35$ spent :) Amazing F2P game, my F2p account has 3 legos but not nearly the same amount of pulls as my main. Getting Under that 2k pvp rating, i completely agree, to many similar builds for the arena
In 7mo of raid, i still havent completed a fusion. Needing to pull everything early on makes hoarding summons hard (way less than WoR). I am only 22 days in here and got my luneria in first week without really trying. And getting 5 legos from first 400 summons is a wild difference.
but in this game, shards are ancients + mystery combined. So add up your mystery and your ancients and yeah... BUT the pity of those count in this game to get more legendary AND you can sell rares to do more summons, so that part outweighs it. But the actually % and Pity are what's in line with Raid
bro! I can’t believe it! A few hours after you posted this video, they nerfed CUKE! Idk if my game is bugging but I was about to try the cuke strategy in GR 1-12, but apparently you cannot use rage regen items on cuke anymore as a primary attribute!
I notis that Dwarven association, have better items in the shop as you progress, in Watcher and in RAID, the items is still low value, only progress to RAID shop, was when they added 4 Ancient Shards to the shop, to randonly drop in a monthly rate
I thought the game was going to be trash as soon as I seen it was a tower defense game but I actually like it. I been hooked on the game. I still don't know how to make a 3 star guy into a 4 star guy.
oh you have to do it; it's called star up or rank up; little button on the hero screens to the bottom right. it will be quick star up once you get through hard chapter 5. but you can still do it one by one easily before then
Interesting. I actually came from the Tower Defense genre and was mostly playing Arknights. Wanted to have a new change of pace to the visuals really and I'm glad to say this one sticks.
I never liked the hectic nature of tower defense games - and raid with its turn based approach got me. I still play it but hydra and live arena are getting me close to quitting - too much RNG. Here I like the strategic nature of team compositions (there is more variety than in Raid where everything revolves around the next Acrizia or another OP new character with immense power creep so that if you don't have the right ones you're done. after playing since launch I still haven't got Siphi, Rotos or any of the newer arena meta characters. Trunda I got when she was already on the downturn. This game is interesting, the visuals are appealing (not as polished as Raid but very nice still) and the game modes are more varied and in the end - although RNG does play a part - more strategic. And it does't cost currency to swap gear around.
Not against Realm.. (i'm playing it so i like it at the moment).. but.. The biggest problem with Realm of Watchers is Lack of personal ability to customize. They start the game where you -pick your hero- er i mean they force you to have voltus. Then they force on you a tank /healer /archer. They force you through a tutorial which requires brain-dead /no strategy (which is another problem of this game). Then in about 2 seconds after playing this game.. you've collected every rare hero in the game. And as you do pick up various heros, they are too similar. Same cast range, almost identical auto attacks and attk speed.. etc.
I played Raid for more than 2 years, and stopped cos Plarium is just too greedy. WoR has everything to grasp a lot of players like me that abandoned Raid. They just have to realize how instead of straight copying Plarium errors.
People just choose to use diamonds for summons in WoR. Could do the same in Raid and it would be a hell of a lot more you get early on in Raid too. You can sell rares for diamonds in WoR for more summons. But Raid gives 2x Epics in the events. Kind even each other out I'd say
Demon Lord in Raid...no, you can just shut down the game mid fight, and not lose the key if you see you are not getting desired score. You can repeat as many times as long as you don't let the fight end. I have unkillable team, you can literally close the game at turn count 49 before the boss kills you, and not lose the key
I think you missed the point of this. You can't save a key and redo if you wipe. If you wipe, it's over and you're screwed. For both Raid & WoR. But Dragonheir it lets you wait to choose to accept the attempt or not. Like for Hydra in Raid,. Both WoR & Raid you can force-close the game, yes. But that's not very helpful if you die.
unfortunately I stopped playing WOR, I don't think it's honest gacha with players who are f2p and low spenders. Those 200 summons guarantee system might even be a good thing, but the real problem comes when the character banners appear. There is no guarantee system, this in my opinion is disheartening. I couldn't Salazar gathering resources for a long time, then when Vierna appeared, I got 5 legendary heroes in the summons and NONE were the banner heroes with increased chance. Not caught, Silas and not Vierna. Most gacha games these days allow you to at least buy a copy of the banner character, but WOR seems to be Russian roulette of luck. That's why I'm leaving this game... But I follow your work and hope to watch new games, thanks for everything ;)
Yeah I mean that's fair. It's something I guess I'm used to with Plarium and other companies so Moonton doing the same thing while initially well... pissed me off.. now I've grown to accept the gacha industry is what it is and if we're going to play these types of games, it comes with the territory
The whole summon thing and fusion things turned me right off raid and looks like this game will be going the same way. Was liking this game but since the summon debacle i cant bring myself to play it. Good video
Compare WoR to Arknights and see how much better it is gameplay wise and how much more friendly the game is to both f2p and spenders. You guys should really look into asian made gachas and how much more friensly they are and less stingy than western aimed ones, its going to open your mind how predatory western gachas are
@@patatoes424 other than moonton (super greedy company) and watcher of realm is much more western catered than asia. They follow the stingy western gacha trend by RSL
Almost all Gachas are the same; and all are Asian based. But the anime style ones that westerns don't like as much sometimes feel less greedy; but definitely not all. And the biggest problem is UA-cam. this is my full-time job, and the revenue per 1K views for the asian based games is DRAMATICALLY lower. So even if I wanted to focus my Genshin & anime style UA-cam channel - I can't make a living. Literally $1-2 per 1k views. This channel with WoR focus has been $9 per 1k views; that's some insane differences with advertising revenue that sadly I can't ignore. Even if Genshin is my favorite game I've ever played....
Thanks so much for having me! Was loads of fun and really interesting learning more about Raid and what we can expect :D
Thanks for your amazing content that got me interested in the first place. You're KILLIN it
After playing Raid for four years (in the same clan!) and now in the super-end game, WOR reminds me of when Raid first launched but, more refined. I think WOR is a fun game that will grow in time just like Raid did.
Awesome collab, so much info and tips, thank you hopefully yall do more collab events in the future!
One aspect that makes it WAY better than Raid is the fact it doesn't cost gold to respec your champions. Ive never understood why it costs gold to take gear off champions.
Good stuff. Really like both of your content, fun to see the collab!
Hey LOving the new collab and its cool seeing you guys comparing the rates with other games so i know when I should save my gems and stuffz so tanks a bunch! Keep it up
On the discussion of gear: Gearing characters in any team based RPG has always been just an illusion of choice. Math will come out to a single best answer every single time. If a team member is supposed to be a killer then there will be a defined best set of stats that let them kill. The same if they are meant to be a survivor, healer, buffer, or debuffer. It's also always the case that specialization into a role is far more beneficial than spreading yourself to cover multiple openings, because filling the other needs is ultimately the job of other characters.
In solo oriented systems there can be more play around hybridization, but in 99% of all games ever math will point to a single, optimal solution to any question. Randomized gear isn't made for players as a "feature", but for the devs as a "time sink".
Depends on the game you play; there's a lot of gearing options in a game like Raid; shield sets, stun sets, etc add extra utility, for example.
The tower defense aspect made me not even want to download it at all.
But here we are lol enjoying it so far, and a lot more than I thought I would.
Great CoLab Thanks both
Thanks for always hanging out and supporting 😍
The pressure of "keeping up the pace" is one of the aspects of these games that needs to be talked about more. Personally I always feel like I'm behind the 8 ball because I know that if I haven't made enough progress in normal play then I won't be able to properly focus on events. Then, if I can't focus on events, I'll miss out on key heroes and other progression that will just put me further and further in the hole.
It's a major portion of what leads to burn out because I don't believe anyone truly wants to feel nervous that a reset is coming up and they haven't finished all of their "chores".
I played raid for years, and I definitely didn't have 9 legendaries 3 weeks into the game like I do now playing wor. You get a lot more summons in wor than you do in raid.
I also played Raid, ftp for years (reached Plat arena, was a guild leader etc.) but gave it up because it was taking so much of my time. With WoR, I can spend 15-20 minutes and be done for the day or spend more time, taking part in events like the Isode shard summons. In WoR, I just got my 2nd legendary yesterday, so not having your luck but still having fun with the game.
@@Thurgosh_OG I agree. Just getting through the daily and advanced quests every day takes more time than just playing WoR completely. Raid: Shadow Legends also have some stupid quest lines, like where you have to be consistent in Gold Arena for months, then later they have a quest to just reach Gold Arena. It's totally the wrong way around.
I know I'm late to comment but as a new player, I simply cannot ignore how much more generous the f2p summon currency is in this game compared to Raid. I am 2 weeks in and have 7 legos. I was almost 2 months into Raid and had 0.
Like the game, but the devs are sneaky, like when they never used to show that Lords had a lower drop rate, and the guarenteed lego banner that shown all the legos but only 4 dropped
yeah can't win with these big dev companies sadly; but they seem to be involved with CC's and community so we'll see!
37:57 Sounds similar to Team Fight Tactics or like autobattlers (Storybook Brawl, Hearthstone battlegrounds etc). Not quite the same, but the premise is basically drafting among a pool of randomized cards/heroes from the entire collection available. Their mechanics are of course more complex since that is the only game mode available.
PvP is a hard nut to crack for all games I think. Though, I wonder if Gacha games are particularly incentivized to not make the playing field fair though, to encourage players to spend their way to victory.
I used to play Moonton's other gacha Mobile Legends Adventure a crazy amount. I was even a tiny whale, spending well over $100 when I was deep into it. Then they added a million new modes and features, it became too tedious to do dailies.
I just want to YOLO. I don't want to save because I have to.
This was fun, wasn't expecting him to be handsome lol. Both of you have different games you've played and that makes for a deep dive anywhere you want. The biggest difference between WOR and Raid is that the devs at least respond sensibly. Plarium likes to talk balance while designing champs and dungeons for Krakens and deliberately broke arena cuz Ukraine. At least there's hope in WOR
He has his face in all of videos 😂
@IvyLeeGaming I haven't watched any, wanted a first impression in the collab. I subbed, he seems a good tutor lol
I think they drop price after the month is over but Im not sure, I got the stamina one. Oooo, Pulled Veirna first pull this morning haha, up to 9 legos and only 35$ spent :) Amazing F2P game, my F2p account has 3 legos but not nearly the same amount of pulls as my main. Getting Under that 2k pvp rating, i completely agree, to many similar builds for the arena
In 7mo of raid, i still havent completed a fusion. Needing to pull everything early on makes hoarding summons hard (way less than WoR). I am only 22 days in here and got my luneria in first week without really trying. And getting 5 legos from first 400 summons is a wild difference.
Great video!
I think it's not identical in summoning system. In raid it's pretty hard to get the ancient shards but in the watcher of realms we get shards easily.
but in this game, shards are ancients + mystery combined. So add up your mystery and your ancients and yeah... BUT the pity of those count in this game to get more legendary AND you can sell rares to do more summons, so that part outweighs it.
But the actually % and Pity are what's in line with Raid
This moment😀 48:24
I watched the whole video, great topics!
bro! I can’t believe it! A few hours after you posted this video, they nerfed CUKE! Idk if my game is bugging but I was about to try the cuke strategy in GR 1-12, but apparently you cannot use rage regen items on cuke anymore as a primary attribute!
I commented on his video because i saw that first; but yeah he uses attack speed as the focus here. not rage regen; so try that
I notis that Dwarven association, have better items in the shop as you progress, in Watcher and in RAID, the items is still low value, only progress to RAID shop, was when they added 4 Ancient Shards to the shop, to randonly drop in a monthly rate
I thought the game was going to be trash as soon as I seen it was a tower defense game but I actually like it. I been hooked on the game.
I still don't know how to make a 3 star guy into a 4 star guy.
oh you have to do it; it's called star up or rank up; little button on the hero screens to the bottom right. it will be quick star up once you get through hard chapter 5. but you can still do it one by one easily before then
Interesting. I actually came from the Tower Defense genre and was mostly playing Arknights. Wanted to have a new change of pace to the visuals really and I'm glad to say this one sticks.
Ive got 3 leggos in 131 summons - including Silas from the 10x 😅. Not way my luck usually goes!
Is this game on available in SEA?
I never liked the hectic nature of tower defense games - and raid with its turn based approach got me. I still play it but hydra and live arena are getting me close to quitting - too much RNG. Here I like the strategic nature of team compositions (there is more variety than in Raid where everything revolves around the next Acrizia or another OP new character with immense power creep so that if you don't have the right ones you're done. after playing since launch I still haven't got Siphi, Rotos or any of the newer arena meta characters. Trunda I got when she was already on the downturn. This game is interesting, the visuals are appealing (not as polished as Raid but very nice still) and the game modes are more varied and in the end - although RNG does play a part - more strategic. And it does't cost currency to swap gear around.
The new arena is cool. Out witting your opp by minimizing the damage taking to crystals
The best thing of wor is the gold raid since im f2p its helpful
38:40 or so, i think pokemon games does that aswell
Love this collab! 🙌 I need to #BullyCarzak (another CC I watch) to collab with you and MaBucket Ivy. 🤔
Yeah I've collabed woth Carzak before with IMR! Definitely will try to again
@@SuziPlaysYT Yeah I remember that collab for IMR. He's been enjoying WoR so far.
Not against Realm.. (i'm playing it so i like it at the moment).. but..
The biggest problem with Realm of Watchers is Lack of personal ability to customize. They start the game where you -pick your hero- er i mean they force you to have voltus. Then they force on you a tank /healer /archer. They force you through a tutorial which requires brain-dead /no strategy (which is another problem of this game).
Then in about 2 seconds after playing this game.. you've collected every rare hero in the game. And as you do pick up various heros, they are too similar. Same cast range, almost identical auto attacks and attk speed.. etc.
Just pulled my 4th silas.
I played Raid for more than 2 years, and stopped cos Plarium is just too greedy. WoR has everything to grasp a lot of players like me that abandoned Raid. They just have to realize how instead of straight copying Plarium errors.
You say summons are the same as raid but you get like 3x more summons in WOR than raid, and shop prices are far less than raid. Not a fair comparison
People just choose to use diamonds for summons in WoR. Could do the same in Raid and it would be a hell of a lot more you get early on in Raid too. You can sell rares for diamonds in WoR for more summons. But Raid gives 2x Epics in the events. Kind even each other out I'd say
Yo you still doing bloodline ?
Demon Lord in Raid...no, you can just shut down the game mid fight, and not lose the key if you see you are not getting desired score. You can repeat as many times as long as you don't let the fight end. I have unkillable team, you can literally close the game at turn count 49 before the boss kills you, and not lose the key
I think you missed the point of this. You can't save a key and redo if you wipe. If you wipe, it's over and you're screwed. For both Raid & WoR. But Dragonheir it lets you wait to choose to accept the attempt or not. Like for Hydra in Raid,. Both WoR & Raid you can force-close the game, yes. But that's not very helpful if you die.
You can close the game if the run gets mankey, but then you gotta be there to see.
unfortunately I stopped playing WOR, I don't think it's honest gacha with players who are f2p and low spenders. Those 200 summons guarantee system might even be a good thing, but the real problem comes when the character banners appear. There is no guarantee system, this in my opinion is disheartening. I couldn't Salazar gathering resources for a long time, then when Vierna appeared, I got 5 legendary heroes in the summons and NONE were the banner heroes with increased chance. Not caught, Silas and not Vierna.
Most gacha games these days allow you to at least buy a copy of the banner character, but WOR seems to be Russian roulette of luck.
That's why I'm leaving this game...
But I follow your work and hope to watch new games, thanks for everything ;)
Yeah I mean that's fair. It's something I guess I'm used to with Plarium and other companies so Moonton doing the same thing while initially well... pissed me off.. now I've grown to accept the gacha industry is what it is and if we're going to play these types of games, it comes with the territory
I actually prefer how AFK Arena does things
The whole summon thing and fusion things turned me right off raid and looks like this game will be going the same way.
Was liking this game but since the summon debacle i cant bring myself to play it.
Good video
Compare WoR to Arknights and see how much better it is gameplay wise and how much more friendly the game is to both f2p and spenders. You guys should really look into asian made gachas and how much more friensly they are and less stingy than western aimed ones, its going to open your mind how predatory western gachas are
Um moonton is asian tho lol...moonton is a chinese company that made the game watchers of realm...
@@patatoes424 other than moonton (super greedy company) and watcher of realm is much more western catered than asia. They follow the stingy western gacha trend by RSL
Almost all Gachas are the same; and all are Asian based. But the anime style ones that westerns don't like as much sometimes feel less greedy; but definitely not all. And the biggest problem is UA-cam. this is my full-time job, and the revenue per 1K views for the asian based games is DRAMATICALLY lower. So even if I wanted to focus my Genshin & anime style UA-cam channel - I can't make a living. Literally $1-2 per 1k views. This channel with WoR focus has been $9 per 1k views; that's some insane differences with advertising revenue that sadly I can't ignore. Even if Genshin is my favorite game I've ever played....
Both gamed are crooked and stingy with rewards
as are 90% of gacha style "free to play" games - we can't win really