Robert Yates once said that you could take 100 engine blocks and build them all the exact same specs. One engine would still make more Horsepower than the other 99. He said it was in the block.
I agree no 2 engines are the same one will always be a little better than the others remember those blocks are casted no 2 castings are exactly the same
@@thestinkycheeseman2208 Yates said the casting come from the Manufacturer and each one no matter hard you try to make them have the same hp it was impossible. One casting would make one or two more hp over the rest.
Every so often, mechanics come across a vehicle that works like "Engine #11", we generally call it a "Wednesday car" and if we can, we hang on to them for life.
So many people had your back Jr. Some because of your dad but you also. Some I bet worked for free. Oh, they got wages but I bet the ones that work 18/20 hours a day I bet they did it out of pride and loyalty more then wages. Dale. Your dad seemed to help people behind the scenes and never wanted credit. You seem to do the same. Stand tall young man. Sometimes a smile, and your little glint does a lot. I can't imagine all the people who never quit. Never gave up. Rick was one for sure. Ty another. I bet that list is pages full. God Bless you and anyone around you.
I remember DW saying that DEI's engine shop would work all winter to find 1HP if thats what it took. Those DEI plate cars (8 & 15) were so fast back in '01-'04, that they were pretty much unbeatable.
From 2001 to 2004 only Greg baffle and bobby Hamilton won plate races and Hamilton was apart of the RAD program so only 1 non dei or RCR alliance car won a plate race that's insane
The dyno numbers prove beyond doubt that Penske and Yates had the most horsepower by far. DEI's dominance at restrictor plate tracks stopped immediately when NASCAR changed the rear gear rule. You could literally see during qualifying that DEI gained significant speed on everybody entering into the corners only.
That engine needs to make an appearance in the studio or an episode with all the cheated up parts and stuff he has collected over the years. I would love to see an episode about all the parts and legendary cars like that engine.
I love you, Dale, the fact that you won for Talladega races back in the day is so insane like you can’t do that with today’s modern technical build ups of cars I will always respect you Dell Junior I don’t care if you didn’t win a championship. I miss you so much on the track, but I really really appreciate that you have a podcast and you do this all the time
One thing I carried with me my whole career was "The 5 Ps"...."Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance". My first boss drilled that into me head 50 years ago.
@@jacobsherry941 Now that you mention it, I caught my boss in a mistake, and reminded him of the "5 Ps"....and of course he turned it on me and said "Jubelet, can't you count? There's 6 Ps there". I could never get any leverage on that guy.
Cool to hear about the famous #11 motor in the #8 Budweiser Chevrolet that DEI had used in Jr's car that was owned by Dale Earnhardt Sr and they were tearing up the tracks back in the day, but they were the good old days an some time we will look back at that and we will still smile about them, thanks for the great clip on this one and it's cool 😎
I don't care what anyone says about Dale Jr., he is one of the best drivers to never win a Cup Championship, should of had a couple easy I feel, dumb bad luck, this or that, etc. His dad was my favorite driver from around 1984 or so, and then when I heard Dale Jr. was going to race ect, I then of course had 2 favorite drivers, lol. What a time to be a NASCAR race fan back in those times, they will never be reproduced.
He’s a likeable guy , and a great promoter of nascar , but he wasn’t a championship driver despite always getting the best equipment , he had long dry spells where he wasn’t a factor , rarely got more out of a car then it had ..
For sure. For sure. 2004 he cost himself the championship. 2015 his pit crew absolutely screwed him by “forgetting” lug nuts or just being slower than every other crew in the chase/playoffs and it came to a head at Kansas, Charlotte and talladega. Pretty sure the same thing happened in 2013 and 2014
Remember in the 90s Ernie Irvine and Dale Jarrett had one motor that they would swap back and forth every week. Both would win or be in the top 5 with that one motor . I can remember Ernie leading every lap at Charlotte in the 28 car all but 5 laps. Jarrett got out of his car and made the comment he would have that motor in Ernies car next week. Great memories ,love it .
I remember that race. Pretty sure that was the Charlotte 500 hundred mile race and ernie dominated it. But I believe it was 93 before they were teammates. I miss the good Ole days. Horsepower great drivers and cars that weren't something other than steel. I'd like to see today's drivers go against those guys. Earnhardt, Ervin, Martin ,waltripp, Allison, Jarrett, rudd, a bunch of kick ass drivers
Yes sir. Everybody else was running for second. Yates knew how to build great motors, Larry Mac knew how set up a car for Charlotte. And ernie was a better driver than people gave him credit for.
Love hearing stories about the parts of the sport. Like how there was a Craftsman truck chassis nicknamed Freak that was built in 1998 and lasted for 20 years.
The car that Frankie Muniz runs in ARCA to this day, is the same Sterling Marlin #40 chassis that he ran that fateful day at Daytona in 2001, a day when Frankie rode in the pace car at Daytona as a guest for his role in Malcolm in the Middle.
I came into this sport as a /4 fan. After him, jr, and TS retired I couldn’t bother watching anymore. The history is what keeps bringing me here. Jr you’re your own man. Your pops was who he was but you have your own legacy. Love the history.
Was that Number 11 ENGINE in the Bud 8 car when you won the Pepsi 400 in 2001, that was an amazing race to me, for juniour to come back to the track that year then dominate was just awesome to watch.
It's so awsome when you find something that just clicks and works engine are a big vacuum the easier u can get air and fuel in the motor and easier the rotating assembly moves the more hp u get
I hope some day Dale Jr is able to acquire his cars from the DEI days and have a museum. Who knows maybe even purchase DEI to house his future Cup team. 👀
Look at what Dale Sr did. He literally went and got the absolute best guys and told then they were working for him. They didn't question it, just came to work. He had the best sponsors, best everything. He cpuld do what he needed to in that RCR car. But if he wasnt winning, the cars he owned were. If the 2001 500 hadnt happened like it did, DEI would be the top over Hendrick today. That man knew exactly what he was doing, and was doing it well. Teresa let money get in the way and ran it into the ground. What could have been. And it would have been EPIC.
Having worked for a high level engine builder as a machinist in IMSA Road racing we made small changes constantly and sometimes we'd be surprised ourselves with a motor. The combination sometimes just worked better, super small changes that complimented each other
my father worked at the gm assembly plant in Norwood Ohio, Firebird and Camaro.. although the motors and transmissions where made exactly the same back to back, when the cars rolled off the track 2 of 10 where sub par, 4 of 10 where mid range 3 of ten where sweet and 1 of ten was special.
I remember hearing DW on tv saying he thought the guys at DEI figured out how to reduce the friction. Not sure if that was it.....but damn I loved seeing that 8 car at Talledega
While I drag raced, I learned early on that friction reduction was key to more HP. And you reduced a lot of friction by measuring components throughout the drive train, as well.
Engine 011 - The same thing happens in the IT world. In a room filled with racks of servers, labs full of workstations or network core switches, all configured the same, there are always stand out systems that boot faster, run faster and have less problems throughout their life. Its a sad day when their scheduled retirement day comes around.
Back in the late 90s I worked on a dirt sportsman and we had a similar deal with one of our engines. Called her green lightening. 3 race weekends is all we'd get out of her before she'd blow up and need a rebuild and right back out winning. Tried but never could recreate that magic.
One thing 2 keep in mind with tolerances is u can clearance,blueprint and mic ten given blocks down to the thousandth of an inch. By all the numbers and tooling,they are all exactly the same,and as perfect as u can get it on paper but yet 1 out performs the rest. Nickel and iron content play big factors into expansion and contraction with temperatures within cast blocks. Blocks can vary in content as no pour would ever be the same. It's all about minimizing parasitic drag and friction in a plate engine. So, clearances,core shifting etc will all react differently under race loads/heat cycles due to the variations of the content and location of materials throughout the block from the pour(cast). This pays divedends (good or bad) on bearing clearances,cylinder bores,core rigidity under heat load (expansion)and so-on which aids in building power in a restricted engine under race conditions.
Elliott brother use to polish the heads and piston ports. So there was no friction. Talked with Elliott one pit crew at the pool hall 2 years ago and that's what he said about bills engines
What if Big Red really liked the number 11 and that’s why?🤔 Hell that car looked angry, possessed, and faster than everyone all the time. The 8 Bud Car!💪🏻❤️ Glad you had the motor too Jr, those wins brightened a very dark time in my life and I’m forever grateful. Such a great show guys and gals, keep bringing the good stuff.
I would clock out at the end of the day @HTC and spend so much free time making those Cranks as AERO DYNAMIC with as Minimal Drag as I could as best I could We did The Cranks for RCR AND DEI back then, at HANK THE CRANK . TEAM MONTE CARLO BABY🔥🇺🇲❤️
I remember that Dan Gurney would go to a junk yard to get a engine block for building his racing engines. They had been through many heat cycles and the metal/cast iron was seasoned, that was what Gurney wanted as a base.
You remember reading or hearing it maybe....But you don't remember it. First of all, you were not there, and secondly, because that is a bullshít story....Gurney was privvy to PLENTY of trick gear, he was getting special alloy castings made, so why the fck would he be crawlin around a wrecking yard LOL
I bet what made that engine special for plate races was the camshaft. The heart of the engine's. I hope you can interview a cam manufacturer or an engine builder who can explain how a cam made winning horsepower for a particular engine combination.
I was thinking the exact same thing. There's always that one magic guitar out there that's just better for whatever reason. It applies to a lot of things really
OMG Richie and I talked in 1990 at the shop bye the airport. We talked about bringing drag racing theories into Nascar. He’s originally from CA, I believe. Wow!
That is such an awesome story! I would love to sit with Richie and ask him some questions because i have my ideas on what makes those motor run. Like 30° Valve seat (low lift air) lobe doorstop angle on the cam. Just awesome stuff!
If they did find the secret to why this motor was just a little better than the others, They probably won't say it out aloud in public. That #11 is a trophy like no other 🏆
I watch a video about Lotus building some of the first Cosworth engines. In it, they mentioned the harmonics within the aluminum engine block. The block flexes a great deal. Too tight tolerances will impede the movement and it doesn't flex freely and parts will break or just impede the flow at such high rpms. Heat and expansion harmony, is what he called it. Less resistance. But too much movement causes parts to break also. It's a delicate balance. What was wild was, before CNC and computers, they built heads out of wood before casting them. This was in the 60's. Amazing engineering genius.
The largest increases in engine horsepower from the 1990's (mid 500's) to present (mid 700's) are from the ROD AND PISTON weight along with the ring thickness. They have dropped 200 grams off the rods since the early 90's and the pistons have dropped 100 or more grams additionally the rings are a couple of mm's vs 3/16". The increase in HP is due to these factors and not much else. (FWIW Total seal did a stock 350 9:1 hyd cam test using 2mm rings vs stock 3/16" and it was worth an additional 50 HP on a base 250 HP engine.) The longevity of the engines was achieved through the electron mircroscoping of the valve springs in order to find any microscopic cracking which leads to failure. In the 80's 90's valve springs were where you lost engines...
Just watched a video the other day. I can’t remember his name, the guy who drove the spam car in the 90s. They took his engine from the 90s as it was completely untouched and dynoed it and it made 734hp at like 7800rpm. Then they took Ryan Newmans early 2002 SB2 engine and ran it and it made 902hp at 8800rpm with a max rpm of 9500rpm. Richard Pettys super bird back in the day was making just about 500hp granted that was a 426ci.
It's a tragedy to think where these engines would be today. NASCAR was one of the last series for open motors, and among many other things it's really hurt the popularity. If the R&D had continued they almost assuredly would be pushing 1000hp and over 11,000 rpms, maybe even higher. Teams were hitting 10k rpm a generation ago. In '98 the best engines maxed out about 8,200 rpms and about 700hp, by the "gear rule" in '04 the top engines were at 10,500 rpm and 900hp. So 20 more years of development would be insane to see.
Where other teams were welding runners and so forth to the intakes around the area described by NASCAR’s block, the Childress team was carving out grooves in the floor of the manifold itself, an arduous process. Combined with the little raised island in the middle of the intake beneath the restrictor plate that remained untouched, this method provided relatively better air flow.
@@44carbine 😔 The engine they are talking about is the SB2 which is a gray iron. The R07 came after this period of time and was still iron, it was compacted graphite iron which is much lighter and sheds heat better than the older SB2. Yes NASCAR did and still uses aluminum cylinder heads.
In high school in the mid 2000's I had 3 friend's with the same year mustang GT but one of them was noticeable faster than the others even though they were all identical besides the color. We called it the factory freak.
I, as well as one of my friends, have built many engines over the years. Sometimes, you just get one that works so well as a combination. It just flat makes power, and you don't really understand why it does what it does.
Brian Proffitt Not only was it a Chevy engine, it was an Earnhardt engine plus the motor wouldn't go without the AWESOME DRIVER WITH THE SKILLS TO DRIVE IT TO VICTORY LANE 🏁🏆🏁
I’m pretty sure the driver had a lot to do with winning. You could have the best engine out there and still lose but with a good driver it’s a priceless combination.
I agree. I was at the 2003 Daytona 500 and the only car that you could visually see that was faster than the other cars in the corners like the #8 and #15 was the #24 car.
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Who else wants to see engine #11?
# 11 should be on set!! 😃
I'd love them to put it on an engine Dyno and have an interview with #11
An 11 we can all pull for! Finally! Boo Denny! 😂joking
this guy
@@anareel4562mike would still talk over it 😂😂
Robert Yates once said that you could take 100 engine blocks and build them all the exact same specs. One engine would still make more Horsepower than the other 99. He said it was in the block.
that is generally how tolerances work, yes.
Haha just had to be that guy 😂😂^
I agree no 2 engines are the same one will always be a little better than the others remember those blocks are casted no 2 castings are exactly the same
There's a lot of factors that go into it. Roger Rager built a bad fast indy motor out of a school bus motor with like 300k miles on it.
@@thestinkycheeseman2208 Yates said the casting come from the Manufacturer and each one no matter hard you try to make them have the same hp it was impossible. One casting would make one or two more hp over the rest.
I just Love hearing Richie tell his secret stories
Yes at least a picture please.
Yes...but sometimes DJ needs to stop talking and let his guest talk more
The machine spirit is strong in this one
For the God Emperor!
For the Omnissiah!
Great story. Need to keep these type of stories alive.
I just got goosebumps when I heard no engine won as much $$$ as 11
That was an awesome time to be a Jr fan, that motor did make some serious power.
Watch Jr's face when he talks about this engine, Priceless...
Every so often, mechanics come across a vehicle that works like "Engine #11", we generally call it a "Wednesday car" and if we can, we hang on to them for life.
These are the stories we love to hear.
So many people had your back Jr. Some because of your dad but you also. Some I bet worked for free. Oh, they got wages but I bet the ones that work 18/20 hours a day I bet they did it out of pride and loyalty more then wages. Dale. Your dad seemed to help people behind the scenes and never wanted credit. You seem to do the same. Stand tall young man. Sometimes a smile, and your little glint does a lot. I can't imagine all the people who never quit. Never gave up. Rick was one for sure. Ty another. I bet that list is pages full. God Bless you and anyone around you.
I remember DW saying that DEI's engine shop would work all winter to find 1HP if thats what it took. Those DEI plate cars (8 & 15) were so fast back in '01-'04, that they were pretty much unbeatable.
From 2001 to 2004 only Greg baffle and bobby Hamilton won plate races and Hamilton was apart of the RAD program so only 1 non dei or RCR alliance car won a plate race that's insane
The dyno numbers prove beyond doubt that Penske and Yates had the most horsepower by far. DEI's dominance at restrictor plate tracks stopped immediately when NASCAR changed the rear gear rule. You could literally see during qualifying that DEI gained significant speed on everybody entering into the corners only.
@jason wiggins true the rear gear was a factor jr and Michael could pull away in the corners
@@fatpatlives1998 ward Burton won the 02 Daytona 500
@Garren Dodson your right I forgot about him jr blew a right front early in that race
That engine needs to make an appearance in the studio or an episode with all the cheated up parts and stuff he has collected over the years. I would love to see an episode about all the parts and legendary cars like that engine.
I love you, Dale, the fact that you won for Talladega races back in the day is so insane like you can’t do that with today’s modern technical build ups of cars I will always respect you Dell Junior I don’t care if you didn’t win a championship. I miss you so much on the track, but I really really appreciate that you have a podcast and you do this all the time
That engine and Era was amazing!!!
Loved all the stories. Old time racing - the best!!!❤
Special motor Special men building and driving them that was the good old days thank yall for sharing that
One thing I carried with me my whole career was "The 5 Ps"...."Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance". My first boss drilled that into me head 50 years ago.
I do the 7 P's. Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance 😂
@@jacobsherry941 Now that you mention it, I caught my boss in a mistake, and reminded him of the "5 Ps"....and of course he turned it on me and said "Jubelet, can't you count? There's 6 Ps there". I could never get any leverage on that guy.
Cool to hear about the famous #11 motor in the #8 Budweiser Chevrolet that DEI had used in Jr's car that was owned by Dale Earnhardt Sr and they were tearing up the tracks back in the day, but they were the good old days an some time we will look back at that and we will still smile about them, thanks for the great clip on this one and it's cool 😎
I see what you did there, smarta.s.
🤪
Great take
I don't care what anyone says about Dale Jr., he is one of the best drivers to never win a Cup Championship, should of had a couple easy I feel, dumb bad luck, this or that, etc. His dad was my favorite driver from around 1984 or so, and then when I heard Dale Jr. was going to race ect, I then of course had 2 favorite drivers, lol. What a time to be a NASCAR race fan back in those times, they will never be reproduced.
He’s a likeable guy , and a great promoter of nascar , but he wasn’t a championship driver despite always getting the best equipment , he had long dry spells where he wasn’t a factor , rarely got more out of a car then it had ..
For sure. For sure. 2004 he cost himself the championship. 2015 his pit crew absolutely screwed him by “forgetting” lug nuts or just being slower than every other crew in the chase/playoffs and it came to a head at Kansas, Charlotte and talladega. Pretty sure the same thing happened in 2013 and 2014
1 for sure! The edwards wreck and points deducted year. Another if things bounce right in 14 or 15.
So was mark martin one of the best drivers to never won a championship
@@slabbusterrtr7690 yes arguably the best
There's a humility when Richie speaks because I think he knows he is continuing the legacy of DEI at ECR and that is special to all of us watching.
The fact that Jr appears to very much like that engine shows that he’s a gear head!
I LOVE THIS STORY!!!
Wow, so glad Dale Jr and Richie shared this with us. An awesome story about an awesome engine piloted by an awesome driver!
Remember in the 90s Ernie Irvine and Dale Jarrett had one motor that they would swap back and forth every week. Both would win or be in the top 5 with that one motor . I can remember Ernie leading every lap at Charlotte in the 28 car all but 5 laps. Jarrett got out of his car and made the comment he would have that motor in Ernies car next week.
Great memories ,love it .
I remember that race. Pretty sure that was the Charlotte 500 hundred mile race and ernie dominated it. But I believe it was 93 before they were teammates. I miss the good Ole days. Horsepower great drivers and cars that weren't something other than steel. I'd like to see today's drivers go against those guys. Earnhardt, Ervin, Martin ,waltripp, Allison, Jarrett, rudd, a bunch of kick ass drivers
@@cliffordclaussen2321 You are correct. The fall race. I was there in the 4th turn . Ernie made it one boring race . That 28 car was fire that day.
Yes sir. Everybody else was running for second. Yates knew how to build great motors, Larry Mac knew how set up a car for Charlotte. And ernie was a better driver than people gave him credit for.
My driver was dale jarrett when he run the quality care 88 car that was a awesome car from Robert yates racing
@@cliffordclaussen2321your comment needs more thumbs up
Please keep these PRICELESS TREASURED STORIES COMING!! THEY'RE PURE GOLD👍🏁🏆🏁 I CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THESE STORIES 💞🤗💞👍🏁🏆🏁🙏🏻🙏🏻😁😁
DEI was always wicked fast on the plate tracks
Love hearing stories about the parts of the sport. Like how there was a Craftsman truck chassis nicknamed Freak that was built in 1998 and lasted for 20 years.
The car that Frankie Muniz runs in ARCA to this day, is the same Sterling Marlin #40 chassis that he ran that fateful day at Daytona in 2001, a day when Frankie rode in the pace car at Daytona as a guest for his role in Malcolm in the Middle.
The stories that Brock Beard and NASCARhistoryman put out on here about cars just like that are excellent.
Where can I hear about that truck?
I came into this sport as a /4 fan. After him, jr, and TS retired I couldn’t bother watching anymore. The history is what keeps bringing me here. Jr you’re your own man. Your pops was who he was but you have your own legacy. Love the history.
Was that Number 11 ENGINE in the Bud 8 car when you won the Pepsi 400 in 2001, that was an amazing race to me, for juniour to come back to the track that year then dominate was just awesome to watch.
Yes, they said it was, I believe.
Love these stories!
Awesome story and Thanks for sharing it. We need more stories like this in this day in time. 👍🏼👍🏼🤘🏼
Dale.. post a pic of #11 ! People want to see it 👍
That's a great story, thanks for sharing it!
It's so awsome when you find something that just clicks and works engine are a big vacuum the easier u can get air and fuel in the motor and easier the rotating assembly moves the more hp u get
Hey Dale can you show us a video of engine number 11 sometime
Earnhardt was the plate master. No surprise DEI dominated on plate tracks for many years after he passed
Always, always ALWAYS remember to thank your engine builders -
This reminds me of an engine that my grandfather and father built in the late 80s. Great story.
This was great To the Richie Gilmore and Randy Dortin my hats off to you .....Think about Paul Reveres ride that night give the credit to the horse...
God bless you and your dad!
It's true some motors run better than others glad to see you have that special engine that motor is a legend
I hope some day Dale Jr is able to acquire his cars from the DEI days and have a museum. Who knows maybe even purchase DEI to house his future Cup team. 👀
Theresa will never have that happen, even after shes dead!
Look at what Dale Sr did. He literally went and got the absolute best guys and told then they were working for him. They didn't question it, just came to work. He had the best sponsors, best everything. He cpuld do what he needed to in that RCR car. But if he wasnt winning, the cars he owned were. If the 2001 500 hadnt happened like it did, DEI would be the top over Hendrick today. That man knew exactly what he was doing, and was doing it well. Teresa let money get in the way and ran it into the ground. What could have been. And it would have been EPIC.
This was pretty interesting to watch.
I think we all need to see Engine 11
Having worked for a high level engine builder as a machinist in IMSA Road racing we made small changes constantly and sometimes we'd be surprised ourselves with a motor.
The combination sometimes just worked better, super small changes that complimented each other
my father worked at the gm assembly plant in Norwood Ohio, Firebird and Camaro.. although the motors and transmissions where made exactly the same back to back, when the cars rolled off the track 2 of 10 where sub par, 4 of 10 where mid range 3 of ten where sweet and 1 of ten was special.
I remember hearing DW on tv saying he thought the guys at DEI figured out how to reduce the friction. Not sure if that was it.....but damn I loved seeing that 8 car at Talledega
I remember hearing him say that exact thing…I always wondered if DEI was on the forefront of the synthetic lubes being developed
While I drag raced, I learned early on that friction reduction was key to more HP. And you reduced a lot of friction by measuring components throughout the drive train, as well.
@@johnwhitter There is more in metallurgy than lubes believe it or not, ring packs are at the top of that list.
@@johnwhitter friend 20 yrs ago we were watching tv at the same time and it stuck in our heads. Crazy crazy
Less friction, more horsepower- that's what every engine is always searching for -
Engine 011 - The same thing happens in the IT world. In a room filled with racks of servers, labs full of workstations or network core switches, all configured the same, there are always stand out systems that boot faster, run faster and have less problems throughout their life. Its a sad day when their scheduled retirement day comes around.
Humans built the machines,human error built in!!
Silicon lottery!!!!
Hearing this makes me wish we could hear from Randy Dorton and his process and the stories behind his builds.
This is the coolest video you guys have ever put out. Top of top 10, Number 11 Spiritual when you think about it!
What an incredibly thoughtful gift. I'd have that engine parked in the living room with the trophies it won.
Back in the late 90s I worked on a dirt sportsman and we had a similar deal with one of our engines. Called her green lightening. 3 race weekends is all we'd get out of her before she'd blow up and need a rebuild and right back out winning. Tried but never could recreate that magic.
Have been lucky enough 2 have had 2 of those THUMPER motors in my life -- Damn Sweet Memories !!!
Awesome story
there something he aint telling us =x
SR said it best " It's magic!"
1 helluva trophy
Great episode. Very cool about that motor back then it seemed like you had another gear at those tracks
One thing 2 keep in mind with tolerances is u can clearance,blueprint and mic ten given blocks down to the thousandth of an inch. By all the numbers and tooling,they are all exactly the same,and as perfect as u can get it on paper but yet 1 out performs the rest. Nickel and iron content play big factors into expansion and contraction with temperatures within cast blocks. Blocks can vary in content as no pour would ever be the same. It's all about minimizing parasitic drag and friction in a plate engine. So, clearances,core shifting etc will all react differently under race loads/heat cycles due to the variations of the content and location of materials throughout the block from the pour(cast). This pays divedends (good or bad) on bearing clearances,cylinder bores,core rigidity under heat load (expansion)and so-on which aids in building power in a restricted engine under race conditions.
Just awesome! I know about that... sometimes you get you a hoss motor, out of the same parts ... great video
Pretty damn cool for sure .. yeah, I would have that sitting in my living room.. under a thick piece of glass for a coffee table..
Elliott brother use to polish the heads and piston ports. So there was no friction. Talked with Elliott one pit crew at the pool hall 2 years ago and that's what he said about bills engines
What if Big Red really liked the number 11 and that’s why?🤔 Hell that car looked angry, possessed, and faster than everyone all the time. The 8 Bud Car!💪🏻❤️ Glad you had the motor too Jr, those wins brightened a very dark time in my life and I’m forever grateful. Such a great show guys and gals, keep bringing the good stuff.
I would clock out at the end of the day @HTC and spend so much free time making those Cranks as AERO DYNAMIC with as Minimal Drag as I could as best I could We did The Cranks for RCR AND DEI back then, at HANK THE CRANK . TEAM MONTE CARLO BABY🔥🇺🇲❤️
I remember that Dan Gurney would go to a junk yard to get a engine block for building his racing engines. They had been through many heat cycles and the metal/cast iron was seasoned, that was what Gurney wanted as a base.
You remember reading or hearing it maybe....But you don't remember it. First of all, you were not there, and secondly, because that is a bullshít story....Gurney was privvy to PLENTY of trick gear, he was getting special alloy castings made, so why the fck would he be crawlin around a wrecking yard LOL
Love your channel 🏁🏁
Awesome Dale JR
Love your video's. (That's coming from someone from Tasmania)
I bet what made that engine special for plate races was the camshaft.
The heart of the engine's.
I hope you can interview a cam manufacturer or an engine builder who can explain how a cam made winning horsepower for a particular engine combination.
Got to believe that race engines are like guitars. You can play 50 Les Paul's and 1 will just blow the rest away.
I was thinking the exact same thing. There's always that one magic guitar out there that's just better for whatever reason. It applies to a lot of things really
Just think, 011 is the grandfather of all the Chevy plate engines that run now.
OMG Richie and I talked in 1990 at the shop bye the airport. We talked about bringing drag racing theories into Nascar. He’s originally from CA, I believe. Wow!
That is such an awesome story! I would love to sit with Richie and ask him some questions because i have my ideas on what makes those motor run. Like 30° Valve seat (low lift air) lobe doorstop angle on the cam. Just awesome stuff!
If they did find the secret to why this motor was just a little better than the others, They probably won't say it out aloud in public. That #11 is a trophy like no other 🏆
Yes let’s hear it again
Yeah let's see an engine 11
Good call. I lived at windfield farms where Secretariat’ was raised and buried. Oshawa, Ontario 🇨🇦
He's buried at Claiborne Farm in Kentucky.
Harmonics within an engine is important.
Everything is important when building these engines.
I watch a video about Lotus building some of the first Cosworth engines. In it, they mentioned the harmonics within the aluminum engine block. The block flexes a great deal. Too tight tolerances will impede the movement and it doesn't flex freely and parts will break or just impede the flow at such high rpms. Heat and expansion harmony, is what he called it. Less resistance. But too much movement causes parts to break also. It's a delicate balance. What was wild was, before CNC and computers, they built heads out of wood before casting them. This was in the 60's. Amazing engineering genius.
Yup. Thats why the timing belt
Rockets Red Glare watched your whole career Dale Sure do miss you wheeling a Chevy around the Nascar Cup tracks
Add #11 to the podcast room!
The largest increases in engine horsepower from the 1990's (mid 500's) to present (mid 700's) are from the ROD AND PISTON weight along with the ring thickness.
They have dropped 200 grams off the rods since the early 90's and the pistons have dropped 100 or more grams additionally the rings are a couple of mm's vs 3/16".
The increase in HP is due to these factors and not much else.
(FWIW Total seal did a stock 350 9:1 hyd cam test using 2mm rings vs stock 3/16" and it was worth an additional 50 HP on a base 250 HP engine.)
The longevity of the engines was achieved through the electron mircroscoping of the valve springs in order to find any microscopic cracking which leads to failure.
In the 80's 90's valve springs were where you lost engines...
Just watched a video the other day. I can’t remember his name, the guy who drove the spam car in the 90s. They took his engine from the 90s as it was completely untouched and dynoed it and it made 734hp at like 7800rpm. Then they took Ryan Newmans early 2002 SB2 engine and ran it and it made 902hp at 8800rpm with a max rpm of 9500rpm. Richard Pettys super bird back in the day was making just about 500hp granted that was a 426ci.
@@guntherdadson5046 Thanks... it was a 200 hp difference was my main take away/.
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@@TheJagjr4450 ya that’s pretty wild if you think ab it
There is a west tech (the shop on Engine Master) video that said its about 10hp, with charts. Where are you seeing 50?
It's a tragedy to think where these engines would be today. NASCAR was one of the last series for open motors, and among many other things it's really hurt the popularity. If the R&D had continued they almost assuredly would be pushing 1000hp and over 11,000 rpms, maybe even higher. Teams were hitting 10k rpm a generation ago. In '98 the best engines maxed out about 8,200 rpms and about 700hp, by the "gear rule" in '04 the top engines were at 10,500 rpm and 900hp. So 20 more years of development would be insane to see.
Where other teams were welding runners and so forth to the intakes around the area described by NASCAR’s block, the Childress team was carving out grooves in the floor of the manifold itself, an arduous process. Combined with the little raised island in the middle of the intake beneath the restrictor plate that remained untouched, this method provided relatively better air flow.
The pad in the manifold floor was for nascars height gauge and nothing else.
Pretty fascinating
That's awesome
Metal harmonics affect friction. Have the cast iron tested and I bet is different.
Wonder if is was one of those blocks casted st the cat factory in Illinois......
They are aluminum blocks and heads.
@@44carbine 😔 The engine they are talking about is the SB2 which is a gray iron. The R07 came after this period of time and was still iron, it was compacted graphite iron which is much lighter and sheds heat better than the older SB2. Yes NASCAR did and still uses aluminum cylinder heads.
In high school in the mid 2000's I had 3 friend's with the same year mustang GT but one of them was noticeable faster than the others even though they were all identical besides the color. We called it the factory freak.
This is back in the days of the old SBC I believe; too bad we can't go back to this engine and car, much better racing.
You might want to ask Ernie if they have a special engine that Bill won a lot of races with. 🤔😃
Maurice Petty and Waddell Wilson built a lot of winning engines too.
Lol he had special car bodies too.
@@paulelliott682 you betcha!
@@rebelscumspeedshop yeah I know. 😆
#11 needs to be in that studio.
I, as well as one of my friends, have built many engines over the years. Sometimes, you just get one that works so well as a combination. It just flat makes power, and you don't really understand why it does what it does.
Should set that engine into the table there.
It was a Chevrolet motor that’s why it was special 🤟🏻
Brian Proffitt Not only was it a Chevy engine, it was an Earnhardt engine plus the motor wouldn't go without the AWESOME DRIVER WITH THE SKILLS TO DRIVE IT TO VICTORY LANE 🏁🏆🏁
That's really cool
Love the Video. #11 is “Sunday Money” engine.
I’m pretty sure the driver had a lot to do with winning. You could have the best engine out there and still lose but with a good driver it’s a priceless combination.
I remember the RAD program. Building the plate engine's deal.
I just remember how those DEI cars pulling away on the corner the torque that it had
I agree. I was at the 2003 Daytona 500 and the only car that you could visually see that was faster than the other cars in the corners like the #8 and #15 was the #24 car.
Not torque, was the front end geometry that decreased scrub on corner entry