In Bg3 power always comes at a price. God Gale loses his humanity. Ascended Astarion becomes just another Cazador. Shar's chosen Shadowheart has to kill her own parents. In comparison, Professor Gale, Vampire spawn Leader Astarion, and Selunite Farm girl Shadowheart, are so much better endings. They all are weaker but also way more happy.
SH killing the moonmaiden is wild. Wyll sacrifices his father. Lae'Zel ascends and if you're Githyanki you can watch her happily accept lich death. Pretty crazy depth for characters you start the game with.
BG3 is basically if the companions get what they thought they wanted, their lives are much worse. Gale is as uncaring to his follower's feelings as Mystra (ambition is neutral), Astarion never breaks from the cycle of abuse (he's manipulative and domineering), DJ Shart and Vlaakith Lae'zel (stuck in their Goddess' lie and doomed to be replaced anyway), Wyll is forced to be a corrupt politician with Mizora around. Durge becomes papa Bhaal's meat puppet.
Shar taking a moment to come out of the corner from crying about how much everyone loves her sister so much more. Shar really tortued this whole family just because people like Selune better.
Selûne: all things considered, one of, if not the best DnD deity as far as respect and kindness to her worshippers is concerned… doesn't seem to be a very high bar unfortunately Shar: one of the worst Also Shar: “why does everyone like Selûne better!” 😤
Wouldn't you? You are a god, a deity of darkness and deceit demanding the respect and adoration of thousands if not tens of thousands. If Shar would not have their love for simply being as she is, she would most certainly make them fear her for the monster that she could be.
@@shadowcastyt Also Shar: Time to manipulate a grieving man who lost his family, brainwash people, steal children, give them a wound that flares when they try to remember things, and make them torture their own family members! That'll make everyone love me and see how much better I am!
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э Prince Garloth Pescheour destroyed his comeplete homeworld. Lolth is also even worse then shown in BG3 thats just the scratched surface. Even Tiamat is much worse then shown.
@@rustedemotions No no. Shar is actually more evil alligned than Cyric and Lolth. Both Cyric and Lolth, although have evil in them, they are far more caothic. Cyric and Lolth are both Caotic Evil deities, more caotic than evil. Now Shar is a Neutral Evil Goddes, she cares nothing for Law or Caos, just evil matters. The End of all things.
The parents also talk less which is interesting, maybe they feel she doesn't have allies and standing up against Shar is impossible and they're resigned to their fates or actually think it's just another trick like Arnell says.
@@shadow_risen I reckon that if Shadowheart comes in alone, they’re more inclined to believe it’s a trick. If she comes in with allies, that feels less like a trick Shar would cook up.
That’s because people seem to forget that it’s an RPG and that TAV or urge is considered the main character so with the right choices and the right rolls. You can make any of the companions do whatever u want, but without interference by the player. Shadowheart would fall to darkness and astarion would kill thousands and enslave the world. Which is why I find it so wild that so many people Simp for him.
@@theomnidegenerate5236 Sure, but where's the fun in signing everything off with that? It's more fun to speculate what the characters would do and wouldn't do on their own, even beyond the confines of the game.
@@KeitieKalopsia I don't know if you've seen my Selûne SH meets Shar alone video where the parents talk a lot more and believe she actually is their daughter and not a trick. Maybe they sense Selûne as her clerical patron or maybe it's the new hair color (lol).
Very much feels like Shadowheart kills them because she doesn’t think she can go back and reverse course. She’s beyond redemption or forgiveness, so she might as well give her parents a mercy killing. Weird comparing this to how I played with my first Tav: a Drow and from the Circle of the Spores who found nothing wrong with death but still pushed Shadowheart into the light. Her parents gave a heartfelt farewell and thanked her for the mercy of death, and then they turned into little balls of light and joined Selune.
I played a half elf druid, and honestly felt the same about letting the parents die, that they were happy with death if it set their daughter truly free from Shar.
@@cwill6491 If Shadowheart hasn't become a Dark Justiciar, then as the original commenter mentioned the parents go to join Selune. They only get trapped in Shar's realm if Shadowheart kills them in Shar's name
I did an evil play through and at the last minute tried to convince SH to abandon Shar and she was basically like “I’ve done all of this already I might as well kill then, but in a very defeated way like she can’t go back like you said.
Yeah kinda doesn't make sense. However from Shar perspective she now knows her champion will do anything for her so it does make sense to bestow power upon her.
I think it’s more about the degradation than anything else for Shar. She practically taunts Shadowheart with the knowledge that she did it before and she expects her to do it one more time. One more act to spit on who you once were and I will take away all the pain. The audience isn’t Shadowheart, it’s Selune and her parents. Shar is basically showing that “goodness” is fake and that all of existence is avoiding suffering. It’s her way of saying “Ha, told you sister. Love and kinship are nothing compared to the drive to avoid suffering. Still think existence and light are a good thing?”
“There is much She does not tell you. A terrible blood price that may extend far beyond my own death.” Can see what Nightsong meant here, it’s a really powerful scene.
Selune sent down her own immortal daughter, which let the shar’s general be immortal, and intervene in every fight. Shar is there talking and zapping lightly from time to time. Whats your definition of intervene again ?
@@nerfedirl as you said: Selune sent her own DAUGHTER, and her DAUGHTER is doing things. While Shar is doing things by herself, she is showing herself many times and we can see her power in many moments. the point is the word >> directly
It’s actually mentioned if you play as Shadowheart and talk to Dame Aylin. Because Selune is so generous with her offerings, her power, she gives equally to all but in small amount. Shar is selfish, and barely touches her followers unless they prove themselves to her. Seluneites have nothing to prove because they are already loved. Edit: If you pray in Shar’s Gauntlet once she doesn’t speak to you unless you prove devotion. When you speak to Aylin once you turn from Shar you already feel something from Selune.
She does tho, maybe not as much as Shar but you can see it when Shadowheart defies Shar and the narrator says that Selune gives her cleric power thereafter. Not to mention the whole Last Light Inn protection thing which was also implied to be of Selune’s help
Shar intervenes is singular, large ways (See: showing up to Shadowheart) Selune intervenes in multiple small ways (See: Sending Dame Aylin being sent to the village) Although there is the repriocity with divinity interfering in mortal affairs, having a small following like Shar means she can do bigger things for her smaller amount of followers. Unless Selune wants to give Shar more ability to intervene, she has to spread her divine intervention thin among her MANY followers. (Some people think this is how the evil gods continue to be worshipped instead of just dying out due to people going 'ew evil'; they have the ability to more directly interfere with their 'chosen few', so desperate people can turn to them and get more results than good gods. It does not explain how evil gods aren't all classified as minor with their small following, though)
Interesting! It seems that when with Tav, DJ Shadowheart doesn't specifically obey Shar but kills parents "out of stress" or "without thinking" rather than as a conscious decision. Here, she kind of follows her goddess' orders. Still, some "without Tav" decisions that companions make don't really make sense (like, Shadowheart would always kill Nighsong without Tav, even if in a normal encounter with Tav she would always spare her).
My headcanon why Shadowheart always kills Nightsong without Tav is that she has been indoctrinated for the cult for 40 years with her memories erased and the shock collar in her hand and in that moment, in her Lady's sacred proving grounds, she doesn't have the willpower to defy her goddess without someone she trusts by her side aka Tav.
@@shadow_risen Close to mine. I think all of that combined with the fact that the only feeling, the only vibe, the only voice in her ear telling her what to do is Shar. There is no Selune, there is no one else. Which makes sense. Selune is all about "hope you figure it out, Bestie" vibes since she is all about self-reliance and finding your own way.
@@PaladinFeora That too, like Shar is literally in her head, whispering things. If you play Durge and if you romance SH, the butler comments you're the only one she has ever trusted (well at least that she can remember atm), so Tav/Durge's support is a huge deal for her.
@@shadow_risen I think it's true if Shadowheart comes alone to the Shadowfell. Like, companions' aren't really involved in Origin's choices or say their opinions, but I just write it off as a gameplay thing. I think if Shadowheart had Gale, Karlach, or Wyll, even with Lae'Zel and Astarion, she wouldn't just stay as zealous as if she traveled into Shadowcursed Lands by herself. But, honestly, I doubt that there would be a word where my Tav wouldn't be here for Shadowheart.
The most common reason she defaults to sparing Nightsong is that the MC has 40+ approval with her. A friend outside the cult is all she needs. If that friend isn't there...
It shows how diverse DnD truly is. It shows how evil people can still be beings with feelings and life and don’t do everything for selfish reasons. I like that.
I love how most 'evil' Gods seem obsessed with senseless murder, pain, or brutality, but the angle the creators of Shar went for proved that there are things worse than indiscriminate killing. Manipulating people into subservience through the use of their pain, creating anguish only to feed off of the 'healing' she can provide through robbing people of their memories, and attempting to enforce nothingness in a person's soul so nihilism consumes them. Shar is truly, utterly diabolical. For Shar wants you to be left with less than nothing, and even the dead have more than that.
Gayle confronts mystra. Laezel confront vlaakith. Shadowhart confront shar. Durge confronts Bhaal. Will and karlach indirectly zariel. Hassin got thaniel, theres just astarion that got his vampire subplot. Most of the cast has some strife with his god.
zariel and thaniel are not gods. zariel is an archdevil, formerly a solar, the servant of a god twisted by the fiendish influence of the hells. and wyll and karlach did not worship her whatsoever. thaniel is likely some type of dryad, a nature spirit/fey bound to an environs. halsin’s patron diety is silvanus, a neutral/good-aligned deity who he has no quarrel with. astarion worships no gods, but his subplot explains why: when he pleaded for divine intervention, a savior to rescue him from his terrible situation, none answered. the closest way astarion gets divine intervention is through the clerics (shadowheart and possibly tav) he befriends choosing to help free him from cazador.
Hilarious how the people fall for her being a goddess of "loss" (or how it is framed) , given how it is implemented here she is literally the god of ignorance.
Curious if this is with or without parent points! Thanks for the content, love testing the game like this. Whether a Tav or other Origin Companion playthrough, they are so important to Shadowheart having a chance to break free and I love that. No one else is talking in her ear otherwise, except Shar.
@@Mithcoriel If you let Shadowheart decide what to do with her parents at the House of Grief, she will default to killing them. If she has enough parent points, however, she will instead save them. Parent points are acquired by: - Finding the grave of Allistair Marnley - Shadowheart’s tutor - in the Baldur’s Gate graveyard and talking to Shadowheart about it - Finding the Graffiti Shadowheart drew on the side of Jaheira’s house and talking to Shadowheart about it - having a conversation with Shadowheart about her memories of the city, notably its smells, that should trigger after the previous two have been found
my god my first couple playthroughs i never saw this, i always just cheesed the temple and tried to rush through at that point to get out of the underdark, it's so insanely dark lmfao
There's this video about it, but what I've understood, the parent points don't work in this scenario where Shadowheart is meeting Shar without Tav. Here is the video anyway: ua-cam.com/video/4d0zJ4Uy4pI/v-deo.html
GASP. Bestie content?? 😮 gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme SH content is almost always 😋🥳❤ but Besties DJ SH content is 😵🤌😵🤌👌👌😩 Keep up the amazing work, I'm *fucking starving out here*
So cutscenes like that can happen even if you don't play as that Origin character? Has this always been a thing? I remember there were times when my Tav and the others were far behind and they still kind of "teleported" to the cutscene when it triggered. Not sure if there was an update since then that changed that
Im going to do this in all my runs now, letting her go in alone is so much better. We shouldn't be able to derail moments like these at the last minute.
Interesting that you seem to get the Shar ending only if you actively pursue it. I have my Tav as power hungry necromancer who is neither fully good or evil. I literally said nothing during the Nightsong thing, just let her figure it all out and she still defied Shar.
I didn't make Shadowheart a Dark Justiciar but I did have her go to her parents without Tav. I got click happy on the skip, but it didn't play out like this. I didn't see all the options when it got to the point of sacrificing them for Shadowheart's freedom but the click happy chose to let them go and I do like the outcome of that.
But if you let them live she has a lovely little cottage and actually heals. Mercy killing is rarely actually mercy, just avoidance. Saying this as someone WITH full body chronic burning pain. I would never kill someone to make that go away, and as a physician working in mental health I would never give up on a person who could still be healed.
Guys- it’s ok. If u follow Shar u become super powerful. I loved it. U can cast Shar darkness on urself and kill enemies within the dark. They can’t see anything, but u can 😎 kill them in the shadows. And u also can bestow darkness upon their mind.. and other things too.
I cant get out of mind that there's a problem in Shar's HR department. Even DJ SH is so bad at being evil she needs to be manipulated into it. I cant believe under her rule the Shar church would be at its best (which is a good thing for the rest of Faerun obviously). Would i have been Shar, I'd have chosen Minthara for example :)
That’s because she’s good at her core, and why Shar failed for 40 years to make her a true “evil” cleric of Shar. Even in Shadowhearts DJ path, in the epilogue you see her nicer kinder self starting to surface again, and she admits to rebelling against some of Shars teachings. Poor girl just isn’t built to be evil
Shar isn't interested in being efficient. She's evil for its own sake. She wants to show that nothingness is superior to existence. She could totally just find highly efficient, self motivated evil people but what satisfies her is to arrange for loss and misfortune to make fundamentally good or innocent people weak to her manipulation so that she can debase them, humiliate them and exterminate their dignity. She wants to pervert a good person and then twist them up so badly that they sincerely thank her for it. especially once she's tricked them into screwing themselves so badly that the only path forward is for them to beg for her magical amnesia so they can't feel how much they've hurt themselves in her name. Which means they are all junkies who would suffer a lethal spiritual withdrawal if they tried to walk away from her.
Why are Sharans always become like Crack addicts ? Like this one dude that transformed himself into many rats xD #TeamSelune #WeStandAgainstCrackAddiction
Shar tortures them, physically and mentally. She doesn't care about them it's an act. Shar basically wants nothingness, world that looks like before creation, world where only she and Selune exist and are one god. She really misses that.
but how come shar looked so cool and god-like and mystra was just an LA yoga teacher
hahahahahah.. oh,my thoughts exactly.
Mystra is an ascended human, Shar is an entity from the start of time
Shar is an actual God, not a mortal that got powered up.
All LA yoga teachers glow various colours and seem to be made of light. I know where you are coming from, but Mystra doesnt even look solid.
Because Shar is a goth tryhard who everybody hates.
In Bg3 power always comes at a price. God Gale loses his humanity. Ascended Astarion becomes just another Cazador. Shar's chosen Shadowheart has to kill her own parents. In comparison, Professor Gale, Vampire spawn Leader Astarion, and Selunite Farm girl Shadowheart, are so much better endings. They all are weaker but also way more happy.
Dark Urge is basically owned by Bhaal and can't do squat for him/herself
Lae’zel is consumed
@@shadowcastyt
I always knew Lae’zel was a snack
@@shadowcastytWyll becomes a politician, the most evil out of everyone
SH killing the moonmaiden is wild. Wyll sacrifices his father. Lae'Zel ascends and if you're Githyanki you can watch her happily accept lich death. Pretty crazy depth for characters you start the game with.
BG3 is basically if the companions get what they thought they wanted, their lives are much worse.
Gale is as uncaring to his follower's feelings as Mystra (ambition is neutral), Astarion never breaks from the cycle of abuse (he's manipulative and domineering), DJ Shart and Vlaakith Lae'zel (stuck in their Goddess' lie and doomed to be replaced anyway), Wyll is forced to be a corrupt politician with Mizora around. Durge becomes papa Bhaal's meat puppet.
Shar taking a moment to come out of the corner from crying about how much everyone loves her sister so much more.
Shar really tortued this whole family just because people like Selune better.
Yep, the pettiness is quite remarkable.
Selûne: all things considered, one of, if not the best DnD deity as far as respect and kindness to her worshippers is concerned… doesn't seem to be a very high bar unfortunately
Shar: one of the worst
Also Shar: “why does everyone like Selûne better!” 😤
Wouldn't you? You are a god, a deity of darkness and deceit demanding the respect and adoration of thousands if not tens of thousands. If Shar would not have their love for simply being as she is, she would most certainly make them fear her for the monster that she could be.
@@shadowcastyt Also Shar: Time to manipulate a grieving man who lost his family, brainwash people, steal children, give them a wound that flares when they try to remember things, and make them torture their own family members! That'll make everyone love me and see how much better I am!
Shar is what happens when a Karen gets God powers
Shar is unreal levels of evil. And for the pettiest reasons imaginable
In this game yes but over the dnd universe there way more and even more evil beings.
@@rustedemotionsI can only think of Cyric (reminds me of Loki from Norse Mythology), but no one else.
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э Prince Garloth Pescheour destroyed his comeplete homeworld. Lolth is also even worse then shown in BG3 thats just the scratched surface. Even Tiamat is much worse then shown.
@@rustedemotions No no. Shar is actually more evil alligned than Cyric and Lolth. Both Cyric and Lolth, although have evil in them, they are far more caothic. Cyric and Lolth are both Caotic Evil deities, more caotic than evil. Now Shar is a Neutral Evil Goddes, she cares nothing for Law or Caos, just evil matters. The End of all things.
@@alexandre7950chaotic you had so many tries to get it right 😭😭
This is so interesting to see omg , it’s crazy how without tav it’s a much more willing decision to follow orders rather than an emotional outburst.
The parents also talk less which is interesting, maybe they feel she doesn't have allies and standing up against Shar is impossible and they're resigned to their fates or actually think it's just another trick like Arnell says.
@@shadow_risen I reckon that if Shadowheart comes in alone, they’re more inclined to believe it’s a trick. If she comes in with allies, that feels less like a trick Shar would cook up.
That’s because people seem to forget that it’s an RPG and that TAV or urge is considered the main character so with the right choices and the right rolls. You can make any of the companions do whatever u want, but without interference by the player. Shadowheart would fall to darkness and astarion would kill thousands and enslave the world. Which is why I find it so wild that so many people Simp for him.
@@theomnidegenerate5236 Sure, but where's the fun in signing everything off with that? It's more fun to speculate what the characters would do and wouldn't do on their own, even beyond the confines of the game.
@@KeitieKalopsia I don't know if you've seen my Selûne SH meets Shar alone video where the parents talk a lot more and believe she actually is their daughter and not a trick. Maybe they sense Selûne as her clerical patron or maybe it's the new hair color (lol).
Very much feels like Shadowheart kills them because she doesn’t think she can go back and reverse course. She’s beyond redemption or forgiveness, so she might as well give her parents a mercy killing.
Weird comparing this to how I played with my first Tav: a Drow and from the Circle of the Spores who found nothing wrong with death but still pushed Shadowheart into the light. Her parents gave a heartfelt farewell and thanked her for the mercy of death, and then they turned into little balls of light and joined Selune.
I played a half elf druid, and honestly felt the same about letting the parents die, that they were happy with death if it set their daughter truly free from Shar.
It wasn't really mercy though if they are in shar's domain
@@cwill6491 If Shadowheart hasn't become a Dark Justiciar, then as the original commenter mentioned the parents go to join Selune. They only get trapped in Shar's realm if Shadowheart kills them in Shar's name
Wow, I played the same race/class/ personality on my first playthrough, neat
I did an evil play through and at the last minute tried to convince SH to abandon Shar and she was basically like “I’ve done all of this already I might as well kill then, but in a very defeated way like she can’t go back like you said.
Shar: A sacrifice is not a sacrifice without meaning.
Also Shar: i will take away those memories so you cant remember the sacrifice.
Haha. Puny god
It's like DnD made evil into curated evil.
Self-contradictory bullshit so people can play clearics of evil gods without thinking too much.
Yeah kinda doesn't make sense. However from Shar perspective she now knows her champion will do anything for her so it does make sense to bestow power upon her.
I think it’s more about the degradation than anything else for Shar. She practically taunts Shadowheart with the knowledge that she did it before and she expects her to do it one more time. One more act to spit on who you once were and I will take away all the pain. The audience isn’t Shadowheart, it’s Selune and her parents. Shar is basically showing that “goodness” is fake and that all of existence is avoiding suffering. It’s her way of saying “Ha, told you sister. Love and kinship are nothing compared to the drive to avoid suffering. Still think existence and light are a good thing?”
Its a reward for already having proven she was willing to make the sacrifice.
“There is much She does not tell you. A terrible blood price that may extend far beyond my own death.”
Can see what Nightsong meant here, it’s a really powerful scene.
I think she might've meant Last Light Inn that time
It’s interesting how much Shar seems to directly intervene, but Selune doesn’t.
Selune sent down her own immortal daughter, which let the shar’s general be immortal, and intervene in every fight.
Shar is there talking and zapping lightly from time to time.
Whats your definition of intervene again ?
@@nerfedirl as you said: Selune sent her own DAUGHTER, and her DAUGHTER is doing things.
While Shar is doing things by herself, she is showing herself many times and we can see her power in many moments.
the point is the word >> directly
It’s actually mentioned if you play as Shadowheart and talk to Dame Aylin. Because Selune is so generous with her offerings, her power, she gives equally to all but in small amount. Shar is selfish, and barely touches her followers unless they prove themselves to her. Seluneites have nothing to prove because they are already loved.
Edit: If you pray in Shar’s Gauntlet once she doesn’t speak to you unless you prove devotion. When you speak to Aylin once you turn from Shar you already feel something from Selune.
She does tho, maybe not as much as Shar but you can see it when Shadowheart defies Shar and the narrator says that Selune gives her cleric power thereafter. Not to mention the whole Last Light Inn protection thing which was also implied to be of Selune’s help
Shar intervenes is singular, large ways (See: showing up to Shadowheart)
Selune intervenes in multiple small ways (See: Sending Dame Aylin being sent to the village)
Although there is the repriocity with divinity interfering in mortal affairs, having a small following like Shar means she can do bigger things for her smaller amount of followers. Unless Selune wants to give Shar more ability to intervene, she has to spread her divine intervention thin among her MANY followers.
(Some people think this is how the evil gods continue to be worshipped instead of just dying out due to people going 'ew evil'; they have the ability to more directly interfere with their 'chosen few', so desperate people can turn to them and get more results than good gods. It does not explain how evil gods aren't all classified as minor with their small following, though)
Interesting! It seems that when with Tav, DJ Shadowheart doesn't specifically obey Shar but kills parents "out of stress" or "without thinking" rather than as a conscious decision. Here, she kind of follows her goddess' orders.
Still, some "without Tav" decisions that companions make don't really make sense (like, Shadowheart would always kill Nighsong without Tav, even if in a normal encounter with Tav she would always spare her).
My headcanon why Shadowheart always kills Nightsong without Tav is that she has been indoctrinated for the cult for 40 years with her memories erased and the shock collar in her hand and in that moment, in her Lady's sacred proving grounds, she doesn't have the willpower to defy her goddess without someone she trusts by her side aka Tav.
@@shadow_risen Close to mine. I think all of that combined with the fact that the only feeling, the only vibe, the only voice in her ear telling her what to do is Shar. There is no Selune, there is no one else.
Which makes sense. Selune is all about "hope you figure it out, Bestie" vibes since she is all about self-reliance and finding your own way.
@@PaladinFeora That too, like Shar is literally in her head, whispering things. If you play Durge and if you romance SH, the butler comments you're the only one she has ever trusted (well at least that she can remember atm), so Tav/Durge's support is a huge deal for her.
@@shadow_risen I think it's true if Shadowheart comes alone to the Shadowfell. Like, companions' aren't really involved in Origin's choices or say their opinions, but I just write it off as a gameplay thing. I think if Shadowheart had Gale, Karlach, or Wyll, even with Lae'Zel and Astarion, she wouldn't just stay as zealous as if she traveled into Shadowcursed Lands by herself.
But, honestly, I doubt that there would be a word where my Tav wouldn't be here for Shadowheart.
The most common reason she defaults to sparing Nightsong is that the MC has 40+ approval with her. A friend outside the cult is all she needs.
If that friend isn't there...
Evil choices in this game, are truly diabolical.
It shows how diverse DnD truly is. It shows how evil people can still be beings with feelings and life and don’t do everything for selfish reasons. I like that.
Oh, brother... You haven't seen new endings yet...
I love how most 'evil' Gods seem obsessed with senseless murder, pain, or brutality, but the angle the creators of Shar went for proved that there are things worse than indiscriminate killing. Manipulating people into subservience through the use of their pain, creating anguish only to feed off of the 'healing' she can provide through robbing people of their memories, and attempting to enforce nothingness in a person's soul so nihilism consumes them.
Shar is truly, utterly diabolical. For Shar wants you to be left with less than nothing, and even the dead have more than that.
Gayle confronts mystra. Laezel confront vlaakith. Shadowhart confront shar. Durge confronts Bhaal. Will and karlach indirectly zariel. Hassin got thaniel, theres just astarion that got his vampire subplot. Most of the cast has some strife with his god.
zariel and thaniel are not gods.
zariel is an archdevil, formerly a solar, the servant of a god twisted by the fiendish influence of the hells. and wyll and karlach did not worship her whatsoever.
thaniel is likely some type of dryad, a nature spirit/fey bound to an environs. halsin’s patron diety is silvanus, a neutral/good-aligned deity who he has no quarrel with.
astarion worships no gods, but his subplot explains why: when he pleaded for divine intervention, a savior to rescue him from his terrible situation, none answered. the closest way astarion gets divine intervention is through the clerics (shadowheart and possibly tav) he befriends choosing to help free him from cazador.
Hilarious how the people fall for her being a goddess of "loss" (or how it is framed) , given how it is implemented here she is literally the god of ignorance.
This is way more heart breaking! Thank you for your sacrifice
There’s so fucking way I’ll do this.
I can’t either. Not even in a game….
I wish she kept the purple eyes...
Ive done nearly 500 hours in this game and I'm happy I never did this. I will always free them.
Damn.. this is some Sith levels of mind manipulation... poor Shadowheart
If Shar was an irl person, she’d be one of those creepy girls who wrote love-letters to the Columbine shooters.
seeing this makes me glad a took her to the light
Curious if this is with or without parent points!
Thanks for the content, love testing the game like this. Whether a Tav or other Origin Companion playthrough, they are so important to Shadowheart having a chance to break free and I love that.
No one else is talking in her ear otherwise, except Shar.
Without the parents points, I never got them work in this playthrough.
@@shadow_risenhave done this scene with the parent points, can confirm it doesn’t change anything.
@@KnightDelt So just like nightsong points, if Tav isn't there... Tav and/or any other Avatar romancing Shadowheart is a vital key.
What are parent points?
@@Mithcoriel If you let Shadowheart decide what to do with her parents at the House of Grief, she will default to killing them. If she has enough parent points, however, she will instead save them. Parent points are acquired by:
- Finding the grave of Allistair Marnley - Shadowheart’s tutor - in the Baldur’s Gate graveyard and talking to Shadowheart about it
- Finding the Graffiti Shadowheart drew on the side of Jaheira’s house and talking to Shadowheart about it
- having a conversation with Shadowheart about her memories of the city, notably its smells, that should trigger after the previous two have been found
fucking hell shadowheart's story is just too good....
my god my first couple playthroughs i never saw this, i always just cheesed the temple and tried to rush through at that point to get out of the underdark, it's so insanely dark lmfao
If Shar is objectively evil and Selune loves everyone unconditionally, does that make Selune's aasimar a female Jesus Christ?
she is now the most powerful trickery cleric in FAY RUN
If you collect enough shadowheart parent points she spares them I think
How do you collect them?
There's this video about it, but what I've understood, the parent points don't work in this scenario where Shadowheart is meeting Shar without Tav. Here is the video anyway: ua-cam.com/video/4d0zJ4Uy4pI/v-deo.html
You can become a Dark Justiciar and save Shadowhearts parents. It's arguably a better ending.
But that means killing Nightsong and everyone in Last Light Inn, except possibly Jaheira.
GASP. Bestie content?? 😮 gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme
SH content is almost always 😋🥳❤ but Besties DJ SH content is 😵🤌😵🤌👌👌😩 Keep up the amazing work, I'm *fucking starving out here*
Long time no see 😯
So cutscenes like that can happen even if you don't play as that Origin character? Has this always been a thing? I remember there were times when my Tav and the others were far behind and they still kind of "teleported" to the cutscene when it triggered. Not sure if there was an update since then that changed that
Im going to do this in all my runs now, letting her go in alone is so much better. We shouldn't be able to derail moments like these at the last minute.
Interesting that you seem to get the Shar ending only if you actively pursue it. I have my Tav as power hungry necromancer who is neither fully good or evil. I literally said nothing during the Nightsong thing, just let her figure it all out and she still defied Shar.
I didn't make Shadowheart a Dark Justiciar but I did have her go to her parents without Tav. I got click happy on the skip, but it didn't play out like this. I didn't see all the options when it got to the point of sacrificing them for Shadowheart's freedom but the click happy chose to let them go and I do like the outcome of that.
If you let Selûne Shadowheart confront Shar without Tav, she will always free her parents.
@@shadow_risen oh, I didn't know that. I only did it once and thought it was cuz I got click happy. Thanks for the info.
But if you let them live she has a lovely little cottage and actually heals. Mercy killing is rarely actually mercy, just avoidance.
Saying this as someone WITH full body chronic burning pain. I would never kill someone to make that go away, and as a physician working in mental health I would never give up on a person who could still be healed.
@@shadow_risenby free, do you mean kill? Because she can actually actually free them and live happily ever after.
@@becominghero9754 they mean saving them, not killing them.
all i gotta say is, if you become a chosen of a god in this game, you should at least be able to go past the 12th level 😭😭
That was EEEEEEEEEE..............veeeeeellllll.....
Does she still do this if you've accrued enough parent points?
Shar always delivers! Queen!
All that and you still don't heal your hand wound?
Guys- it’s ok. If u follow Shar u become super powerful. I loved it. U can cast Shar darkness on urself and kill enemies within the dark. They can’t see anything, but u can 😎 kill them in the shadows. And u also can bestow darkness upon their mind.. and other things too.
Amazing.
I cant get out of mind that there's a problem in Shar's HR department. Even DJ SH is so bad at being evil she needs to be manipulated into it. I cant believe under her rule the Shar church would be at its best (which is a good thing for the rest of Faerun obviously). Would i have been Shar, I'd have chosen Minthara for example :)
That’s because she’s good at her core, and why Shar failed for 40 years to make her a true “evil” cleric of Shar. Even in Shadowhearts DJ path, in the epilogue you see her nicer kinder self starting to surface again, and she admits to rebelling against some of Shars teachings. Poor girl just isn’t built to be evil
Shar isn't interested in being efficient. She's evil for its own sake. She wants to show that nothingness is superior to existence. She could totally just find highly efficient, self motivated evil people but what satisfies her is to arrange for loss and misfortune to make fundamentally good or innocent people weak to her manipulation so that she can debase them, humiliate them and exterminate their dignity.
She wants to pervert a good person and then twist them up so badly that they sincerely thank her for it. especially once she's tricked them into screwing themselves so badly that the only path forward is for them to beg for her magical amnesia so they can't feel how much they've hurt themselves in her name. Which means they are all junkies who would suffer a lethal spiritual withdrawal if they tried to walk away from her.
Selune never talks to the characters directly, only through her daughter. Shows how weak and desperate Shar is compared to her sister.
I liked Shadowheart in her wicked and kinky way. And dark hair suits her truly.
Why are Sharans always become like Crack addicts ? Like this one dude that transformed himself into many rats xD
#TeamSelune #WeStandAgainstCrackAddiction
He was a crack addict?
Shar tortures them, physically and mentally. She doesn't care about them it's an act. Shar basically wants nothingness, world that looks like before creation, world where only she and Selune exist and are one god. She really misses that.
I LOVE SHAR