Every Lesson The DCU Should Learn From the DCEU & Arrowverse
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Not too long before the making of this video, Zack Snyder came out with like the 100th statement on his DC movies, saying he wasn’t surprised by Batman and Superman killing getting backlash saying “Some people got brainwashed by material that’s not consistent with true canon” this reminded me how grateful I am that he no longer has creative control over DC, this deconstructive mindset in regards to these characters is something that just absolutely needs to be left in the past. This got me thinking about what else the DCU should avoid specifically by looking at other live action DC Universes to see what lessons can be taken from each one of them in order to use those lessons to build the ultimate live action DC Universe.
00:00 - Intro
1:27 - DCEU Creatives
5:40 - DCEU Casting
8:27 - DCEU Stories
9:37 - DCEU Villains
11:13 - DCEU Costumes
12:31 - Arrowverse
17:13 - Arrowverse Adjacent
18:13 - The MCU
19:08 - Conclusion - Розваги
Nah, I agree for the most part, but I think that “broody” vibe for Henry Cavill is SOLELY how he was directed by Zack Snyder. Henry very outspokenly wanted a more hopeful, friendly, classic Superman but respected Zack’s vision enough to go with it. I believe he’s like Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man, where it would have been the best casting the character has ever seen, if it weren’t for outside factors like an out of touch director or studio.
Nobody cares about that crap. Snyder's Superman was just fine. The WB shills boycotted and sabotaged BvS and especially Justice League, that's why most movies after Snyder's departure lost a ton of money and WBD is now for sale. They have a debt of aprox. 40 BILLIONS and their stocks are in the gutter. WBD is gonna be bought by Comcast most likely.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
#FireJamesGunn
#BoycottWBD
Henry Cavill deserved better. The man cares too much and is screwed by the writer, director and studio.
@@darkseid6898Snyder screwed over every comic reader let's be real. Killing off Dick Grayson is something only an out of touch director would do
@@XYZip1 NO. Stop being 1gnorant, WB sabotaged and boycotted Snyder
@@darkseid6898 in my example, it was Snyder's choice to kill off Grayson...Snyder didn't understand DC and neither do his fans
1. Never let anyone with little to no knowledge of the dc characters have creative control over them, least of all, never let them establish a wider universe, that's why james gunn was brought in.
2. Make the continuity more consistent.
3. Make the characters like their comic counterparts and their personality.
4. Hire good directors and writers that knows how to tell a story and how the character should be portrayed.
In the case of 3.,maybe not all the time.For example the Superman suit in the DCEU is awesome because it's not like the comics one(it's more alien looking than Clark's old pajamas.As personality goes,A Killer Croc that tries to prove he's a civilized good guy instead of a brutish monster would be crazy good.
I’ve always had this mindset, Marvel follows Humans becoming “Gods” and DC follows “Gods” becoming Human. Granted there are some obvious exceptions to both statements, but I can’t feel it’s not a wrong oversimplification
DC had something called IMAGINE IF STAN LEE CREATED THE DC UNIVERSE. DC should this try IMAGINE IF DC CREATED THE MARVEL UNIVERSE 😊
Well here's what I think. Every fictional character that we get essentially has the brain of a human being. That's why they share the same human psychology.
I mean that's why we can relate to all kinds of characters at the end of the day coz we connect to the core emotional part.
So even if someone technically is a god, in terms of powers, etc. They still kinda share the same human emotions. Coz if they would actually behave like ab extra terrestrial, then we would not really be able to relate to that character.
Like I believe fr any fictional movie to work, u need some character who represents us, the human audience in this new world. Nd we relate to their reactions to everything that is going on around them.
I was thinking that maybe Gunn should draw inspirations from Grant Morrison's JLA run where the Justice League are pretty much inspired by Greek mythology. Superman is Zeus, Batman is Hades, Wonder Woman is Athena, Aquaman is Poseidon, etc. And maybe the Hall of Justice can act as their Mount Olympus.
@@user-kw8cb3rd8f that’s what Snyder was going for but fell on his own sword 😊
Superframe also shares the same mindset.
A lesson from THE Suiside Squad that not to be afraid to use unpopular characters
And to stop bashing tropes. Lean in, embrace, and fix what you can.
THE version was so much fun. And somehow made Peacemaker a good character. John Cena is perfect.
i hated him in the movie, but wow. The show.
That's something James Gunn is really good at. He can seemingly adapt one or a group of C-D list Superheroes and Villains that only hardcore comic book fans know about and make them a mainstream success
Yeah but that is taking things slightly to unfair with James Gunn as he seems to be only focusing on unpopular characters when in reality the league needs to be focused on
THIS. Holy shit dc has zero faith in their characters I swear. So many great characters that should get some spotlight but we always get the same 3 characters. They're cool but things gets stale after a while.
I wouldn't mind an Anti-Hero Killer Frost, maybe on the Suicide Squad. I just don't think she works as a superhero.
There are plenty of antiheroes that are superheroes.
I do agree I'd be down to see Killer Frost on the Suicide Squad for once in live action since we've seen her part of the team before in animation and comic book source material
Legends made me want a Firestorm solo project with her as the villain!
Killer Frost should become a villain in The DCU.
@@trevturp6891antiheroes and superheroes are different that’s why they have different names
Honestly one of the main reason the DCEU tanked was a lack of direction Studio Interference by Warner Executives who thought they knew better and getting involved with the creative process which just ruined the whole thing and soured fans on the product as a whole. So thats something that needs to be avoided again
That’s true, but they also did bad by hiring Snyder to be the architect of the entire universe. He was never the right guy, even without the studio interference. But again, that goes back to WB for hiring him in the first place.
Studio interference isn't the issue, hiring Snyder in the biggest and first mistake. They only interfere because Snyder keep messing up and can't produce a good movie with their most expensive IP
@@luciusnguyen2449 I'm not a fan of Snyders presentation at all but he at the very least had a vision while Warner wanted MCU levels of success with no plan or build up
@@luciusnguyen2449studio interference was still an issue
@@Kalel2.0he had a vision for sure and it was horrible lol. When I saw his vision board for JL2 was having Lois lane get pregnant by Bruce I said buddy does not know anything about these characters
One of my least favorite things about the DCEU is that they never gave their B-list superheroes a chance to shine. It gets pretty old seeing Batman, Batman, Batman, and hey more Batman.
That wasn't Snyder's plan
Wel that's more a Warner Brothers problem in general but that's why James Gunn being in charge is so perfect. Hell I bet if you suggested a real deep cut charachter to him right now on twitter he would consider it. We want the guy that'll dig into the chest and pull out of the most obscure stuff for a chance at a spotlight to be in control while of course respecting the big players too.
@@karimdavis7065 I never mentioned Snyder but Gunn is great at taking D - List characters and making them memorable.
What the hell are you talking about ? Batflick didn't get even his own movie
@@lamsaidthetrue2238 Batman was in plenty of movies between 2013 and 2024. Whether or not it was Batfleck WB was still at the helm. They banked on his popularity too much instead of building up lesser known characters (members of his rogues gallery even got their own movies). This was also a problem in their animated movie universe. MCU made Iron Man and Cap household names.
The most complicated Thing about Superman's character is that he is more human than humans themselves.
*Humane
Zack Snyder’s quote should be put in a meme with the quote from Superman vs the Elite.
Don't be stvpid. The WB shills boycotted and sabotaged BvS and especially Justice League, that's why most movies after Snyder's departure lost a ton of money and WBD is now for sale. They have a debt of aprox. 40 BILLIONS and their stocks are in the gutter. WBD is gonna be bought by Comcast most likely.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
#FireJamesGunn
#BoycottWBD
Which one?
Oh yes thank you, I was waiting for someone to say that.
@@tombstonerforever9374 Manchester Black to Superman: " If you that far bringing criminals to jail would stop them, then you're living in a dream world".
Superman's response to this is : " Good, dreams save people 😊".
That movie should really be called Superman vs Zack Snyder
Hear me out: Batman should use a voice modulator like CW Green Arrow in the early seasons instead of forcing the actor to sound like he has a cold
I heard that Gunn also opened to the idea to have time in video games with characters in his universe
That would be cool to see
We all know how bad tie in video games are. Doing that might not work
Yea that’s true, he did say that he was planning on doing that. I don’t necessarily think it’s a good idea though because, like karimdavis said, movie tie-in video games have a history of being bad. And also it could make the DCU too convoluted and complicated. I’d rather they keep it strictly to movies and shows (maybe tie-in comics too), and leave the video games alone. Star Wars can get away with it but this isn’t Star Wars.
Sounds hella risky but I want a good Superman game before I die so let's give it a shot.
I think he said there was already 1 AAA game development that would take place in the DCU
I'm just glad that we're finally entering a time where people can freely acknowledge what a failure Snyder is and how he singlehandledly ruined the DCEU from the start. For the past few years, most people have stayed quite about this because they don't like to deal with the Snyder cultists
As terrible as Snyder was, the failure of the DCEU was not all on him. I blame DCEU for not having an overarching plan and being so reactionary when something failed.
@@CCEkeke I feel he wouldve made a great nothing movie. like say a one of Guy Gardner flick
I think one of the most important things the DCU needs to remember is DC is all about humanity, our “capacity for good” and what these heroes will do to help us reach that. And the heroes themselves need to feel human, it felt like the Snyderverse tried too hard to make the heroes feel godlike even though DC is supposed to be gods trying to be human while Marvel is humans being more than what they were, just look at Superman, he’s a godlike alien but his upbringing made him more human than really probably most people out there, he’s not just meant to be a big gun to take on the big baddies of the week, he’ll stand up for and help anyone whether it’s stopping someone from killing themselves, helping a kid’s cat out of a tree and giving the kid some wise words, or helping someone with their abusive parent. Whether it’s Superman or someone else, the small actions matter, Wonder Woman getting ice cream with a kid, Wally West running all over the world just to find a toy kids at an adoption center would like for Christmas. Even with the heroes without powers, without godlike abilities, some of my favorite Batman moments are the lighter ones, not just him performing cool takedowns, but staying with a dying Ace (I think that’s her name), smiling when a kid didn’t see him as that scary, and of course the reason why he takes the Robin’s under his wing being so they don’t turn out like him which worked with Nightwing even if not so much with Red Hood. Obviously superheroes are gonna do big things, that just comes with the whole thing, but when it comes to who DC heroes are and what they do, sometimes they need to feel more like Spider-Man, less like Thor (even then I feel like the MCU got that with Thor at least sometimes better than DC has lately when Thor has done stuff like taking selfies with fans)
I'm gonna be honest, when the better version of the Justice league movie came out I kind of got on the restore the snyderverse hype train. I honestly was just wanting good dc stuff with a consistent flow and a plan of where to go. After I found out what Zack would have done with it in the end I was officially over it. That and James Gunns ideas just seemed so much better to me.
I was only interested in the whole restore the Snyderverse after the Snyder Cut because WB literally had no plans for the future but after James Gunn was hired to reboot DC, rebooting was the better option.
I 2nd what both of you guys said. But there are still people on the RTSV train even though it’s crystal clear that it’s over that it’s not gonna happen, and it’s pretty annoying lol.
I like his movies, and I'm glad we got to see his original vision for Justice League
@@CoolIguess5 Exactly. They kept going on about “because it’s the multiverse, we can through up whatever we want. Doesn’t have to follow up.”
@@akilbrazier1421 they’re still going on about that? Sheesh, I guess if that’s what they want to wait on then do it. Ima stick with this promising new continuity
It isn’t that his Batman kills that is the problem. Burton’s Batman killed. Nolan’s Batman killed. The problem is Snyder does an Batman movie where Dark Knight Returns is the blueprint and bastardized the message of the comic!! The exact words of the comic are “Guns are the weapons of Cowards!” The comic book has Batman breaking a rifle in it. He says “Those who use guns are the enemy.” That is the problem with Snyder’s Batman. Also he did Doomsday fight too soon. That storyline should not be done in the second Superman film in the Henry Cavill canon. Then his resurrection in Justice League has no emotion to it. Even though I did like Snyder’s Justice League, I still hate that there is no emotion to Superman’s resurrection.
I grew up thinking DC was darker than Marvel which is crazy looking back. I was so confused when my friend in high school told me that it's more the opposite in the comics. But even looking at the adaptations now, yeah. That makes sense. It's closer to the real world, of course it's darker.
Cavill would've been a GREAT Superman. We've never seen him play the character so we can't use that to judge him. Snyderman is brooding and edgy because Henry is an actor. He plays the character he's paid to, not the one he wants to.
I never really liked the znyders justice league and I never understood why it was considered so great. Superman should be a symbol of hope and a force of good and positivity.
Probably because it was better than Josstice League by far and was visually better to look at but I agree its pretty mediocre in my opinion
Like every snyder film, good film, bad adaptation
You're just mentally slow
What i want to know is why he was so keen to get Miller as Flash. Ezra never even had to audition, Snyder called him up.
I think his issue is the same with JJ Abrams, he can write good scenes, not good movies. The scenes may look and feel cool, but don't hold together as a cohesive whole for a movie.
Dude I'm glad someone else also agrees with me on this. I absolutely love Henry Cavill, but out of all the live action iterations, he kinda ranks at the bottom just bcoz of the vibes. Like Snyder probably didn't understand the essence of Superman.
No, you are completely wrong. The WB shills boycotted and sabotaged BvS and especially Justice League, that's why most movies after Snyder's departure lost a ton of money and WBD is now for sale. They have a debt of aprox. 40 BILLIONS and their stocks are in the gutter. WBD is gonna be bought by Comcast most likely. Gunn is a Pedowood shill and his movies are terrible.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
#FireJamesGunn
#BoycottWBD
Exactly why I do like Henry as Superman. His problem was Snyder.
@@oofiethetroll2059 Don't be ¡gnorant. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
@@darkseid6898 what exactly am I ignoring?
@@oofiethetroll2059 Snyder was never a problem for Henry Cavill. Quite the opposite. Man of Steel, BvS: Ultimate Edition and ZSJL are some of the best CBMs of all time. What's wrong with you?
We all secretly wish that the new DCU would be just more like the older dc animated shows like justice league and justice league unlimited and batman the animated series
Just with some of the new stories like Sinestro Corp War also give all the characters good screen time, for example Kyle was almost none existent in Justice League and JLU
I hate Arrowverse for screwing up Batwoman (Kate Kane) now I love to see her among James Gunn's DCU Batfamily.
Honestly I agree they did screw up Kate and made her just a wooden version of Bruce
@@Kalel2.0 It be wonderful to see James Gunn make her into a G.I.Jane of his DCU Bat-family.
The Batfamily are just child soldiers.
and what the movies did to Cassandra cane... that's 2 batwomen messed up 🥲
@@Digger318 yeah. I would even love to see Cassandra be like a sister figure to Kate Kane in James Gunn's DCU Batfamily.
I agreed with the video until the "I think Barry Allen should go away or stay dead". It's Crazy cause so many people grew up and come to know The Flash because of Barry Allen. Everything people constantly brings up about The Flash and his usage of power, his intelligence, and usage of Time Travel, some of his relationship and mentorship, kindness + "boy scout" attitude, etc. is because of the Character Barry Allen.
It's interesting to me that a talking point for Wally West is that "so many people grew up with him", but it's thrown out the window for a character who isn't Wally. So many would say "Barry Allen copied everything from Wally West" when the opposite is true. Or "I believe everything told about Barry Allen is done" just to fridge the Character, when the same could be said to even Spider-Man or IronMan.
I don't mind if Wally West shows up in the movies, that's very cool! I actually WANT to see it, but why is it that we can have:
- 3 CONFIRMED Green Lanterns (Hal, Guy, and John)
- Batman, Nightwing, and Robin (Damian)
- a Bunch of characters people don't even know, or paid attention to
- etc.
But why can't we have a movie called "The Flash" and it stars Barry Allen and Wally West as both The Flash? We can have Nightwing without the "Abusive" side of Batman. We can have multiple Green Lanterns without the "2 Green Lantern per sector" rule, we can have Damian without Tim Drake, we can have a Young Superman with an Experienced Batman, we can have a world already inhabited by Superheroes, but we can't have Barry Allen AND Wally West in a Movie?
Call me crazy, but would it not be cool if we got both because other titles are getting both or more too?!
In defense of Henry Cavill, he is a big fan of Superman and has wanted to play him for years. The reason why he acted so melancholy was because that's how this version was written. I think if Henry was given a better script with a more light hearted and hopeful Superman, he would have done the part perfectly.
Do not force who is at the forefront. Let the audience and success do that. Like with MCU's Iron Man.
What makes me more excited by James Gunn's DCU is that isn't going to be like the DCEU/Snyderverse or the MCU that decostruct the origin story or put the characters in the real world. Gunn seem to willing to do a literal comic world in live action with different movies, tv shows, animated shows/movies and games having all different style and tone just like a comic run haeded by a writer(s).
People say that Batman wouldn't work in real world if he follows the "no kill rule" but actually is the opposite
The villains just get out of prison often because it's how comics works, they always return so we can have stories and you don't need to create a new villain every time, but in the real world all the villains would be locked in prison forever the first time they try to do some shit, probably only Falcone or Penguin would get out and return 2 or 3 times because they have contacts in Gotham but eventually even they would be in prison, the justice system may have it's issues but rogues as Killer Croc, Joker, Two-Face, Hugo Strange, Mr Freeze and a lot of others would never escape prison
Yep if anything, movie world lets the no kill rule work at its' best.
The villains are often perma removed in movies after they are defeated.
And Batman could potentially be closer in strength because movie versions of superheroes are often nerfed compared to their comic counterpart
I can see Blackmask also getting out through his connections but that only incentivizes Batman to be more thorough with his breakdown of the criminal underworld that when Blackmask gets thrown back into prison, he'll be jailmates with the people he was trusting to get him out again
I agree completely with the bat suit. Did anyone else really hate that fat bat symbol? I know it's in the comics but it's so bad.
Whoever hired gunn as the runner of the DCU is a genius and made everyones life better!! GUNN IS A COMIC BOOK FAN GOAT
1. Lucas Till As Barry Allen/The Flash
2. Austin Butler As Oliver Queen/Green Arrow
3. AnnaSophia Robb As Dinah Lance/Black Canary
Make great movies with great worldbuilding and great characters. Thats it
Just watch any of Henry Cavill's interviews and tell me that he doesn't have cute, charming and humble vibes that Superman should have. He just had a bad script and a director who misunderstood the character. If he was given a proper script, Henry Cavill could have pulled off a great acting career as SUPERMAN.
In regards to Shazam, I hate to say this, don’t include these characters in James Gunn’s universe. The actors playing Billy and Shazam wear great but I think would be hard to find actors that could replace them. Which sucks because I do like the characters and I did like the actors. Honestly Dwayne Johnson is the only actor I didn’t like. I wonder who will be playing Dr Fate and Hawk Man. I will wait to see.
Would love to see Oded Fehr as Doctor Fate, he voiced him in Justice League Cartoon, and his very distinctive voice really worked for the character. And would be a great call back for us DCAU fans.
It sucks that Dr fate was used and then immediately reset. The actor was perfect, the suit while being different and a bit weird was actually surprisingly good and just the way he moved and his powers worked was great
I don't agree with you. Every scene in JL 2017 with Cavill that was Weadon-made was great and Cavil played him really well
Agree. For all that movies faults, it really got superman.
Yea he actually felt like Superman the most in that movie compared to the other ones. That was easily the best aspect of that awful movie. If only that damn cgi upper lip wasn’t so bad 😩😂
@@akilbrazier1421 That CGI was a problem
@@HP-ej3bo Of course not. You are completely WR0NG. The WB shills boycotted and sabotaged BvS and especially Justice League, that's why most movies after Snyder's departure lost a ton of money and WBD is now for sale. They have a debt of aprox. 40 BILLIONS and their stocks are in the gutter. WBD is gonna be bought by Comcast most likely. Gunn is a Pedowood shill and his movies are terrible.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
#FireJamesGunn
#BoycottWBD
@@akilbrazier1421 No, he didn't. What's wrong with you? JOSStice was something completely disgvsting. The WB shills boycotted and sabotaged BvS and especially Justice League, that's why most movies after Snyder's departure lost a ton of money and WBD is now for sale. They have a debt of aprox. 40 BILLIONS and their stocks are in the gutter. WBD is gonna be bought by Comcast most likely. Gunn is a Pedowood shill and his movies are terrible.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
#FireJamesGunn
#BoycottWBD
Apparently John Papsidera has been appointed the casting director for the DCU.
Another thing and I can't say this enough...
DON'T FUCK THE TIMELINE
The TOMORROWVERSE started of great with Superman: Man of Tomorrow and Batman: The Long Halloween. Then they just fast tracked and jumped over a lot of key moments
I still think Grant Gustins flash would've fit perfectly in the DCU
Nah. Unpopular opinion: The Flash was a trash show with or without bad CGI
I think one of the most needed changes is consistent musical themes and motifs for characters. It allowed moments in Endgame and Guardians to hit so hard and the DCEU never really had that
one thing that I believe is a mistake about the dcu, is that for the second time we will see an older Batman with a young Superman at the beginning of his career, as I wish the dcu's Batman was still in his 1st robin, but he There will already be Damian Wayne, which means he has been Batman for at least 15 years
He got up to Damien in 10 years in the new 52
I remember how mad everyone was when grant wasn't given the flash role in the dceu
he would have absolutely carried the franchise with his performances, like he did his own tv series for like 9 whole seasons
not sure if everyone will agree with me but a point that was missed in this video is the fact that the guys in charge of the live action movies always took away from the characters instead of trying to give them something completely original of their own, a good case can be made for Donner's Superman or Burton's Batman because honestly I don't want comics fidelity to the point of the films or shows be a literal case of copy and paste like the animated Killing Joke, well the actual Killing Joke parts of said adaptation.
I definitely fully agree with all the things you mentioned. One of my expectations for the DCU is to avoid the mistakes that the DCEU has done and most of all they should not hire someone who did not truly read the comics. Zack Snyder and Dwayne Johnson are the perfect examples of who didn't understand the DC characters very well. As much I like Man of Steel and ZSJL, in my opinion that;s one of the reasons why the Snyderverse should not be restored cuz he'll just continue to make mistakes by treating the characters way different from the comics. It's good to have someone like James Gunn to be in charge of DC because he is truly a comic book fan and an experienced director who can make great movies.
zach loves slow mo so much, he put in every fight scene.
As James Gunn leads in reshaping the DC Universe (DCU), there's a compelling need for strategic overhaul, drawing lessons from the strengths and missteps of past adaptations like the DCEU and Arrowverse. This initiative aims to redefine how DC characters are perceived on the big screen, ensuring a deeper and more resonant connection with both new and long-standing fans.
A critical focus of this strategy is the faithful alignment with the original ethos and characteristics of DC characters that have captivated fans for decades. For example, The Question should maintain his deep philosophical inquiries and distinctive faceless appearance while adapting his storylines for contemporary cinema. This approach ensures that all characters remain true to their roots while appealing to a modern audience.
The importance of employing directors and writers who are not only talented but also genuinely passionate and knowledgeable about the characters they bring to life cannot be overstated. It's crucial to capture the spirit and emotional resonance that elevate these characters beyond their comic book origins. Each character should maintain a distinct tone and style, akin to their portrayal in the comics, ensuring their narratives are both authentic and engaging.
The success of the Arrowverse in creating long-running TV shows that stay true to the core essence of DC characters with hopeful and colorful narratives provides a valuable blueprint. This contrasts with some DCEU projects which have sometimes ventured into overly dark and deconstructive territories, alienating broader audiences. The DCU can avoid these pitfalls by embracing a variety of tones and themes that are suitable for each character, steering clear of a one-size-fits-all approach to storytelling.
Looking forward, the blueprint for the DCU's future should be clear and detailed, establishing a vision and plan that allows creative talents to freely express their ideas within the constraints of the franchise. High production values, respect for character history, and consistency in continuity are essential to ensure the films are not only true to the comic books but also stand as outstanding works of cinema.
In essence, by amalgamating the best practices from various DC adaptations and ensuring a deep understanding of what makes these characters special, James Gunn's DCU is poised to unite classic appeal with innovative storytelling. This strategy honors the legacy of DC characters while adapting them in ways that feel fresh, relevant, and exciting for today's audiences, thereby enriching the cinematic landscape.
I think Barry should be the main Flash, but only for a couple years. Give him a solo movie or two and then have Kid Flash take over.
Agreed
I agree. I think this would be the best approach.
I think that's the best approach, the Barry fans get to enjoy him and we don't completely erase him while Wally still shines just a little later on
I personally think Barry would be better as a one-movie mentor figure to Wally, like Anthony Hopkins' character in The Mask of Zorro...
15:24 Don’t get me wrong I love Wally as much as the next guy, but having Wally be the main Flash without Barry Allen is like having Dick Grayson be the main Batman without Bruce Wayne. One of the reasons why I personally feel like Wally was a great Flash was that he was trying to live up to Barry, but he only had to be a hero in his own right (hence the Return of Barry Allen arc). For the new DCU, have Barry for a trilogy and introduce Wally in the second movie, have Barry die in an ‘endgame’ type movie, and then have Wally be the main Flash!
Also on a side note with Ezra’s Barry Allen: don’t get me wrong, I can appreciate what they did with the character as an ‘ELSEWORLDS’ Flash. Trust me, there are way worst Barry Allens (notable Flash: United they Fall by Gail Simone, and DC Superhero Girls). Now that we have unique portrayals, let’s have a 1:1 accurate Barry Allen where he is nerdy yet charming, extremely intelligent, and hopeful.
John Papsidera has been appointed the casting director for the DCU
I think they need to give equal focus to every character until the fans decide who is your star, this way we don't have 15 Batman movies, 5 Superman movies and nothing with Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Zatanna, ect
I just hope it goes far anough and stays good so we can see characters we have never seen in live action like cyborg superman, a set consistant reverse flash and deathstroke, even blackest night
Everything you said in this video, I couldn't agree with you more. Other than the Flash's suits in the later seasons, I liked the the one from season two the best. But you were able to say everything I wished I could say and with much clearer language than I would use ( Navy vet and a roughneck's kid). You always do great work and you are always respectful that says a lot about the type of person you are. Keep up the great work and thank you for the amazing work you do.
One really personal and random thing I wish is that they just respect the linneage of heroes. DC has A LOT of people who dawn the same mantle, and I think it would be best for all fans if everybody gets to appear, even if they aren't as important
It used to be exciting back in the day to think about crossovers but I actually miss when everything was just its own standalone thing.
John Papsidera definitely seems to be the Sarah Finn of the DCU. Gunn worked with him on The Suicide Squad and now Superman. Won't be surprised if he also works on future DCU projects
I hope down the line we eventually get movies of the magic users of the DC universe like Dr.Fate, Constantine, Zatanna, swamp thing.etc. These characters are never used but if adopted properly they will rise in popularity in all DC media like MCU did with their more unknown characters. Hell, even throw the Question in there too.
Out of curiosity what is the one casting for the DCU you do not like? I have a guess but I do not want to assume anything.
All is perfect for me, Pa Kent cast kinda looks odd but still perfect
Maybe Sean Gunn as Maxwell Lord? He is the only casting I’m a bit iffy about but I’m willing to give him a chance before being negative
“You’re living in a dream world”
Oh wow it’s almost as if there’s a thing called FICTION Zackary
Thank you for making this video. Honestly, if only these movie studios could pay attention to guys like you truly care about the franchises and source material then we would be living in the golden age of comic book movies.
I never had cable, so naturally i grew up a dc fan. The Batman animated series was on regular tv. Got me into JLA comics
i still want barry as primary flash ,but mainly because i want to see the titans with wally and nightwing ,as best friends, and later on after a crisis event seeing him step up as the main flash
Executives should not step into the creative process of the filmmaker. Let the filmmaker and storyteller tell there stories.
Fantastic video mate 👌
Andrea Romano handled the casting of the DCAU. Maybe she should do the same for the DCU.
Think she's retired, also a voice caster, so she looks for different things than a standard casting agent.
Barry has to be in the DCU. We NEED REVERSE FLASH ASAP.
They could do something like “The Return of Barry Allen”.
That story is the perfect way to introduce Wally, Barry and Thawne.
Zoom/Hunter Zolomon could be an interesting addition to the DCU as Wally's Reverse Flash like in the comics.
The comic-accurate one, that is...
I still think having origin stories is a VERY important part of building a universe. The MCU has given us an origin story for every hero except Spiderman, and even Spiderman has had his origin story alluded too. And I honestly don’t think Batman’s origin story has been over done, sure we all know it, but I’m not so sure we’ve all seen it.
I would also like to see Barry Allen be the main flash for the first saga of the DCU. Mainly because I want to see Wally West be kid flash for a Teen Titans movie. Sure we could see Bart Allen, or Wallas West, but I really want to see good old ginger Wally West in the Teen Titans roster. Maybe in whatever the big overarching story the first saga has to tell Barry dies in the final battle leaving Wally to take over as the main flash.
One more lesson from modern mcu I think they can learn is don't have giant gaps between character appearances. In 2021 alone we had white vision, Shang chi, the eternals and a few more that 3 years later haven't been heard from or close to appearing again soon. Characters should pop up at least every 2-3 year. And same should be said for gaps between sequals, except for teem up films like justice league which can wait however long. But there shouldn't be a 4+ year gap between Superman and Superman 2
But the thing is, that’s what happens when you have so many characters in your universe and you give so many of them movies and trilogies. There’s too many of them to keep track of and it has to make sense for them to appear in whatever they’re appearing in. It’s part of the reason why I think the MCU should’ve ended after Endgame or after Spiderman and Guardians of the Galaxy wrapped up their trilogies. The universe got too big. And it’s fine for a lot of characters to be introduced and to get movies. But a lot of them don’t need trilogies. That’s where you get problems of movies in a trilogy being 4+ years apart. Or you’d have to put out like 4 or 5 movies a year.
Lesson from Arrowverse, don't forget the most important part, bring Matt Ryan back as Constantine and use Spoken Spell as the magic ritual in DCU. This Spoken Spell makes DC magic different and unique, compared to other superhero series with magic in it.
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I like DC Magic.
15:53 A good way of having Wally as the main Flash while introducing both Barry and Thawne would be telling a story that borrows elements from or straight up adapts “The Return of Barry Allen” into a movie.
One thing you tiptoed around was the fact the DCEU jumped ahead of itself WAY TOO EARLY. It pulled out all of the “big guns” too soon. When is at that, I mean heavy hitters like _ARES_ for Wonder Woman (then we got Cheetah next! WTF?!) Oh, and this version of Ares straight up annihilated his pantheon of fellow gods. Ares should have been the ultimate threat way on down the line several movies in and a legitimate danger to Wonder Woman, or better yet - her, and a formidable group of allies. He should NOT however, been hyped up as this threat that is impossible to overcome, then be easily defeated in the introduction movie’s third act! ZOD was the first rogue for Superman. On the surface, not a terrible choice, but there were many that were WAY better. Maybe have Supe go against some underused rogue and rethink him/her from the ground up. Maybe make them cunning, broken and desperate. The villain does not even have to be someone who is much a of a danger to the man of steel himself, but to his loved ones.
Regardless, the DCEU IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED UP with frigging Doomsday! *_DOOMSDAY!_* …as in, the only being that successfully unalived Superman! How can you escalate conflict? How does the threat level rise proportionately in the Extended Universe? …or realistically?!
Lay off my boy Henry. His Superman is one of a kind. Give the man the credit he deserves.
The Batfleck suit in the flash was great cuz it was blue
Love these videos
The Justice League animated show basically storyboarded everything for them.
They need to focus on self contained stories. The larger universe shouldn’t a part of the main plot or subplot. It’s first 4 movies we’re self contained stories that’s what made the MCU great.
The scope of the universe should be first seen in the initial JL movie. That’s what makes the main three dynamic so amazing. The tone in their movies is different, so with them meeting you get very good mix of mentalities. That’s what the Avengers did initially.
Young justice also had a good story and costumes
Insane to say Henry was a bad super man casting
16:37 all of those suits look great I only wish 2 of the 4 shows were too
The lesson should be Batman needs more action scenes like that warehouse scene in BvS because that is what he does.
I thought Ms. Marvel had a TV show feel that I quite enjoyed and then it spiralled back into the Marvel Studios Disney+ formula and left stuff super undercooked. I wanted more of Bruno and Nakia. I hope it gets a Season 2 that is ten episodes with lower budgets.
I think James Gunn understands how to do a TV show after Peacemaker. Frankly I think he's a better showrunner than a director because it gives him more time to focus on characters which he loves to do. I think the DCU will not repeat the mistakes of Marvel Studios Disney+.
Looking back, while I enjoyed certain projects from the DCEU, I think that universe felt more like an Elseworlds than main continuity DC (or live action Earth-0 so to speak). Almost like how Frank Miller's TDKR was interesting but worked better as its own universe and not the main one. I liked the Snyder movies but certain stuff from his films and the other films in that world definitely don't work as main DC continuity (Dick Grayson being dead and never having become Nightwing, "Insane" Lex, Flash not being able to physically move people at super-speed (that detail really irked me), The Rock's entire Black Adam portrayal, etc).
I will say, with Marvel too, gonna be hard, at least with DC, cause they like as Gunn said to do 6 issue arcs or miniseries for movies. So with that in mind, not a whole lot you can do with that, and even then some heroes don't really have much big stories you can do, like Barry Flash, Trial of The Flash and that's it yeah. There's newer stuff, but not as big, Death of Iris is big too, but don't know how you can make thme into movies but if they combine enough stuff, pull from Wally's stories, I guess they can do it but well yeah.
Great video.
I’m “not sure” we can blame any of the actors with these poorly written movies.
Superman was a loner without hope
Wonder Woman was NOT a warrior at all.
Shazam was two completely different characters
The Flash was a little too silly even when he decides to let his mother die.
Black Adam hired an actor with a ton of charisma and made him sullen and quiet.
I would love that instead of teasing up Heroes & Villains, the movies tease recurring normal characters, Like for example, In Superman Legacy Teasing Lana Lang or in Brave & The Bold teasing Julia Penniworth
I agree with everything here. However, my own opinion is that Red Hood should not in any way want to kill Batman, or be written out of his original motivation when he comes back in an "Under The Red Hood" story (i.e. Titans making Batman kill Joker & Arkham Knight and Titans both making him a Scarecrow henchman)
Have no idea how someone with so little care for the source material and the characters got so much backing from fans for his 3+ hour movie
I haven't seen most od the DCEU, i just resherched one i saw, it was Cassandra Cain, like bro what is that they just took her name and just put it on a OC, like wheres Shiva, where's the League
One of Snyder's biggest flaws that I don't see people addressing is his casting ability. This guy only cares about how well the actors/actresses look the part. It's clear from Henry Cavill to Ezra Miller.
14:37 this is why I’m so excited for Woman of Tomorrow! That comic is one of my favorite comics of all time! And she’s sooooo different from Supes! A lot more like Cavil’s performance of Superman tbh
I think what they should avoid with the TV shows is that the audience feels like they have to watch every show to understand what's going on in the movies (something Marvel does nowadays)...I think this drives away a lot of people that would otherwise watch the movies
One thing they gotta make sure they do is tell one big story and build toward something big the correct way. After Snyder bounced (or got bounced, either way) the DCEU became directionless to the point where they were throwing shit at the wall and seeing what would stick. They weren’t building toward anything, and we never even got another Justice League movie after 2017 (no I don’t count ZSJL, because that’s what the 2017 movie was *supposed* to be). Everything felt random and like they were making movies just to make them, and they happened to exist in the same universe. The DCU has to learn from that. Give us a grand story with quality movies like the first 3 phases of the MCU did. But then they gotta also know where to end it. We don’t want it to get over saturated and lose its way like what happened with the MCU. I have hope that Gunn will do a better job than Snyder, Johns, and Hamada. But I’m moreso cautiously optimistic as of right now.
Killer Frost being a Superhero happened in the comics, she was even part of the Justice League. Don't know what became of that, if it was me I'd have Caitlin Snow change her codename, remain a hero and bring back Louis Lincoln go back to being Killer Frost but I don't know what they did.
Simple answer: model the DCU after the DCAU and nothing else!
I'd love nothing more than to see a good Wally adaptation. I don't think Barry should "die", because Wally doesn't work without Barry at all, but Wally is a main Flash would be perfect
Hopefully finally we can get all the mean robins in this universe
A Young Justice movie could be great
Make a what if mcu followed dc gods and monsters slate structure
Among other things, I hope they don’t panic and immediately course correct if Superman doesn’t do as well as they hope. Stay the course for at least a couple more projects.
That was one of the things that ruined the DCEU; being too reactionary.
You forgot to mention the swamp thing series it was soo good but seems like everyone just forgot about it
It got cancelled anyway 😢
I agree on everything u said except wally instead of barry
7:45 who’s the one exception?
i like Zack snyder, but saying he deconstructed them is more credit than deserved.
Don't be like the MCU is another key thing they need to learn too. Make it more like the Snyderverse.