Richard Rohr - The Universal Christ - Part 2 (The Liturgists Podcast)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2019
- Richard Rohr - The Universal Christ (Part 2)
Credits: The Liturgists Podcast theliturgists.com/the-podcast
Hillary McBride, William Matthews, Science Mike, and Michael Gungor talk with Richard Rohr about The Universal Christ--Fr. Rohr’s latest book.
I am preaching on this and other insights from Fr. Richard’s alternative orthodoxy this Sunday. Thank you, Fr. Richard.
The concept of the Universal Chris is the most important course correction of the church, for these first two thousand year history of Christianity. Thank you Fr. Rohr.
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And perhaps not a course correction? Perhaps something that's always been there, but people have been missing it? It's more about waking up, than cleaning up :)
These interviews never get old and do not disappoint. I never tire of Richard Rohr. Interviewees offer up outstanding discussion points. Very Good.
I'm soooooo loving this!!
Thank God for Richard Rohr
He really is a modern day mystic.
They are all the "Word" of God. And as we evolve we then understand that we all are.
Yeshua (Jesus) embodied Christ mind and was born to teach us that we too can awaken to this Mind in each of us.
Unbelievably beautiful, loving, hopeful and Jesus 🩵 🦋
this man is so evolved i can’t listen enough, i want just grain of sand tvat he has
Amazing interviews (part 1 and 2) Richard is spectacular but so are the interviewers. Great questions.
At one point, I found the Aust and Western church too stifling and hurtful and felt God was to be found more in nature. I have tried many times. I am so relieved to at last discern through the light of the Holy Spirit I am sure, the beauty and truth of your teachings, Father Rohr. I have spent some years learning and practising with Buddhist western to teachings which gave me me a feeling of how love might be experienced, but I always missed Jesus.
Richard,So many wonderful truths have been opening up to me thro you, Richard.
My soul overflows with thankfulness to God. How could it not be true?😊
It's all grace, you have graced me 🦋
Thank you Richard!🙏❤️
I lost my dog, my very first dog, he taught me something so profound and deep, I’m destroyed inside. I blame God for his sudden death in one night at the age nine. I want to be with him badly in that Summer-land!
The birth of the Universal Christ.And God said, “Let there be light!” The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
Now I am full of hope.
An absolute treasure ❤
Pns p. 189 “bliss awaits those who can possibly make it through the tragedy of what has happened to Christ in the Church.”
Ws p. 64 “As I now see it Christianity has perpetuated a shortsighted view of Christ and, consequently, a shortsighted view of the rest of us. Christ’s passage was the revelation of the passage of every human being, and any misreading of him is a misreading of the whole of humanity. Investigating Christ’s human experiences in terms of consciousness or self opens up a whole new dimension of his Truth and revelation, and not only his, but our own and that of the whole of creation.”
Rc p. 282 “The mind can find no definitive satisfaction or fulfillment with mere concepts and hearsay. What man is seeking is the living experiential reality of the Truth, his own immediate experience of this truth. Until he does, he will go right on questioning and being dissatisfied. Even if man knew the truth, he could never be fulfilled by merely ‘believing’ it. He is only fulfilled by experientially living it - knowing it firsthand.”
Ws p. 107 “To say that Christ’s self or consciousness was eternal gives an entirely different picture and meaning to Christ than if we say his self or consciousness was not eternal…I think the West will come upon its own set of problems when it faces the impermanence of Christ’s self or consciousness, but, at the same time, this will reveal an entirely new dimension of Christ’s revelation - of this I am certain.”
Ws p. 156 “But who can understand death and resurrection coming after a life of union and oneness with God? Who can understand the true nature of this death and what the resurrection reveals of Christ’s divine nature? Because of this mystery I regard Christianity as the most difficult and mystical of all religions; Christ is the most unbelievable and unknown Truth there is - and the most difficult of all Truths.”
Rc p. 78 “Sometimes the impression is given that Christianity has a monopoly on forgiveness, salvation, savior, eternal life, God’s Spirit, grace, and so on, when, in fact, Christianity took all this straight from Judaism! The revelation of ‘Christ’ had nothing to do with any of this and changed none of it.”
Rc p. 83 “Basically, there is no such thing as ‘Christian mysticism’ because Christianity - transformation into Christ - is the essence of mysticism.”
Rc p. 140 “To think the anthropomorphic biblical interpretation of God ‘generating’ or ‘begetting’ an Uncreated ‘Son’ could have justified a transition in the Church’s whole understanding of the Trinity and Christ, can only be put down as the most flagrant wrong turn in the entire history of Christianity.”
Rc p. 144 “There has to be God (Logos) before there is any incarnation of the Logos - before there is any Christ and before there is the created man Jesus. No question, the Creed must be totally restated, Christians today are not the semi-polytheists of yesterday.”
Rc p. 157 “To my knowledge, however, the Greeks never agreed hypostasis meant persona - and indeed it does not. In time, however, in the West at least, hypostasis and person were used as synonymous terms. So due to this error, there occurred another switch from the original hypostasis to person - a monumental wrong turn as regards a true understanding of the Trinity and Christ.”
Rc p. 170 “Like the fathers, Christians would be horrified to think they were polytheists or believed in three gods. But this is why the Trinity is kept at a distance, declared a ‘mystery’ incapable of the human mind to grasp. This is also why the Trinity means relatively nothing to the average Christian and plays no part in his spiritual life.”
Rc p. 201 “Sometimes we wonder how Western civilization ever became so self-oriented compared to other civilizations that were more oriented to the benefit of everyone over their individual selves. Well, who invented the individual and particular ‘person’ or self, and who gave it ontological priority over everyman’s common human nature? Christianity!”
Rc p. 242 “What few people realize, however, is that the official Church or Christian language is totally premised on this use of idioms instead of on the truth of Christ.”
Rc p. 248 “No question, the C of P is the most deceiving ruse in all of Christian history a ruse responsible for totally wrong views of Christ, the Trinity and the man Jesus.”
Rc p. 249 “Yet the more divine one makes the Logos’ human nature, the more Christ fades from the picture and the more Christianity deteriorates to a Jesus-cult.”
Rc p. 257 “But who knows what people think they are praying to or worshiping? We can probably say for certain they are not praying to the dual natures of Christ!”
Rc p. 279 “Eliminate the term ‘person’, and how is Christ to be envisioned as a single being? Without theology’s absolute dependence on person as an individual being, its Christologies would go down like a row of dominoes.”
Rc p. 291 “this is exactly what the Incarnation is telling us: not only is mankind not that bad, but rather, it is of greatest worth to God.”
Rc p. 300 “Even the best of theologians are reluctant to admit any radical existential change in human nature - much less an ontological change. Instead, they assure us everyone will go on just the same - only better, of course.”
Rc p. 318 “The day Christianity lost this understanding of deification as the way man is saved, is the day it lost Christ.”
Rc p. 323 “That down the road, Christianity was turned into the narrow, naïve and childish view we have today - i.e., only the man Jesus is Christ, only Jesus could ever be eternally one with God - is the inevitable loss of the whole revelation of the Incarnation, and, consequently, of Christ and Christianity…Christianity’s exclusive, boxed-in view of Jesus and Christ, not only aborts man’s spiritual journey, but will be its own undoing - why? Simply because it is not the Truth of ‘Christ’.”
Rc p. 335 “To say Christian theology is ‘complicated’ is the understatement of all time. It is an unadulterated mess. It so defies common logic as to require man to forfeit his intellectual integrity in order to ‘believe’.”
Rc p. 465 “What is unfortunate, however, is those who write the history of the early development of Christian thought and doctrine, consistently rely on the present-day Aristotelian rendition of it. It could be said this is a deliberate attempt to eliminate any possible ‘Platonic’ understanding of Christ as a universal in order to make Christ solely one particular man - Jesus, of course.”
Rc p. 486 “Loss of self is the very foundation of Christianity.”
Ecc p. 82 “The primary purpose of my writing, however, was less the subject of no-self than to put into the field of Mystical Theology a whole stage of the spiritual journey presently missing.”
I agree with comment below……. Thank God for Richard Rohr
really really good and very deep
Finding God in all things 49:31
When will humanity choose to care for the poor?
Never
Please read about Christian international ministry to poor African citizens, 'Mercy Ships' especially the most recent Mercy Ship.
These are huge ships of many levels. Specialists in medicine, nursing, engineering etc plus their families sometimes, teachers, cooks, etc also volunteer to serve in different places in Africa and pay to their own way. I need to shorten these comments but you can read more complete descriptions online.
African men, women and children receive free surgery and medicine including dental and eye care.
Also the Mercy Ships' purpose and practise is to continue to train medical practitioners in their own countries in Africa.
Much more to learn about this group of Christians' love and service to the poor without condescension.
The universal Inclusive God.
i am a seeker , and catholic
Pleasure seekers are addicts, takers and hedonist , lover are givers that brings happiness, and Joy . .. !
It's important to define words, terms and concepts.
Simone Weil died August 24, 1943, Ashford, United Kingdom.
Pete Holmes!?!
I recognize that voice!
Why did jesus say " what does this have to do with me " ? At cana .
Why did Jesus kill the fig tree ?
It pissed Him off
WE MUST ALL REALIZE THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN
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The difference between you and me Richard is if I had people rubbing up against my leg telling me how great and wise and holy I am, I couldn't run faster in the opposite direction. Three seconds worth and I'd be gone.
Does he still endorse the occult Enneagram?
Around 37mins Fr Rohr leads into a discussion about dualistic thinking that really just gives fuel to the fire for every other religion etc..... who would like to argue with him or pit others against him. The Jehovah's Witnesses would latch right onto it saying that Richard Rohr agrees with them that Jesus is not God. Well I spent ten years off and on with them and they never proved to me anyways that Jehovah is God either. They also never proved to me that they are the one true religion as they dualistically claim they are! They also claim that they do not participate in Politics but I sat through their 3day conferences at their Newton, Mass Center 2yrs in a row and much of it was talk of politics from the stage where they were not supposed to be involving themselves in Politics but they freely used praisingly, the name of Caroline Kennedy, while Cheryl Burton was badmouthed by them not by name but only as she, because she was being excluded by the Satanic System of mental health and therefore by the Jehovah's Witnesses, because she was choosing to exercise her rights at secular law to refuse Satan's barbaric violent forms of treatment. These are some of the things that the Witnesses are dualistically in agreement with Richard Rohr about. The Witnesses however do not believe in the Trinity Doctrine. They are vehemently opposed to it and waste a lot of time verbally arguing against it, using mud slinging names such as calling Christendom the modern day Babylon the Great and the worldwide empire of false religion and the United Nations they claim is the disgusting wild beast of Bible Revelation Prophecy. They have also produced much literature arguing against the Trinity Doctrine. But nothing verbally or written of their's proves that the Trinity does not exist in the lovely ways that Fr Rohr's daily meditations have recently been focusing on, but they are not arguments as to the existence of the Trinity Doctrine so much as they are a matter of choice to meditate on in the way that Matthew Fox describes what true beauty is, but then of course it takes a certain degree of faith and belief in a creator of all things to view or sense it this way in order to love the experience of it this way. As far as I'm concerned the Jehovah's Witnesses never proved that Jehovah is God and never disproved that Jesus is God and never disproved that Jesus is present as God in the Trinity. But that is their right to worship freely however it is that they worship, the same as all other religions have the right to worship freely. In all these religions however, they have all chose to participate in stripping the labeled mentally ill of all their secular rights and using substituted judgement (that they will all eventually become accountable to the Creator of all things, for having done!), to consign them to the fire of Satan's Satanic System of mental health, where mental illness is now being criminalized just as it was in Nazi Germany and many pleasant attractive new institutions have and are continuing to be built in order to reinstitutionalize them, and new but old media blitz propaganda targeted campaigns also borrowed from the Nazi campaign against the mentally ill, where the materially rich have been antagonizing the middle and lower class, saying look at these beautiful institutions that you have to maintain with your tax dollars while you and your neighbors are being wiped out or reduced to nothing losing your home because of them and having to pay for the expensive drugs that you force them by violence to take. Eventually the attitude towards them will be the same as Nazis, when a full scale proposal is made to euthanize them at their own request "legalized assisted suicide" now that they have fabricated that mental illness is not a myth but is a genuine terminal organic brain disease, and gaslighting of them has become so common part of life for them that it is as was stated before an Amnesty International Conference in 1971 that modern forms of torture (denied to be torture), were so common and so constant in everyday life that in some countries people were even becoming accustomed to it!!!!!!! I have my own reasons for believing and knowing in my heart that Jesus Christ is God, and will not let Franciscans in the area that I live shift burdens of dualistic arguments onto me. They are causing me and have caused me alot of problems being threatened etc....... I have the right to make that claim and they have the right to deny it. But don't they try to speak to me about it!!!!!! (Mt 12:22-29)
Matthew had been a tax collector.
The illusion of abundance is indeed coming to an end due to overpopulation that is growing geometrically, with no help from your church organization, to limit the growth.
I like Richard rohr but I am afraid of being deceived. Why doesnt the church discipline him?
@@rickycurrie9605 We tend to believe in information unless we have contradictory data. Best not to believe in anything. Belief is really nothing more than a cognitive filter that stops thinking and nonconforming facts. People who cling to any information, calling it a belief, need some kind of emotional security they don't get in other parts of their lives. Personally, given the definition of a belief, all beliefs are a delusion people BS themselves with. (yes, I ended the sentence on a proposition, ha ha)
Richard is a great thinker, not necessarily an original thinker, but a really good synthesizer of ideas. Listening to him save tons of time doing the research he did. Besides, I really like Richard.
@@rickycurrie9605 You may have not considered my point. The Church is trying to force government to control women's bodies. Some have a saying to these self-appointed priest messiahs, 'Keep your rosaries from women's ovaries."
Wow, just 5 minutes into him speaking, and listen how disparagingly he speaks of Scripture.
They ruin the thought process as to what was just said with that twangy synthesizer sounds inherited from Pink Floyd. There's a time for everything but this is not it!
I have offered a mass for Richard as he is in grave danger of loosing his soul.
many who mare not grounded in truth will be seduced by this whispering but be warned you will be accountable for your actions and you DO need to repent and be Baptized for your salvation in Christ.
read the true Mystics and see that God demands Holiness and he is not a God of concepts or higher experiences.
You are not serious...oh wait you are...and that is what is so sad! Anyway offer as many prayers for Father Richard as you want. I am sure he is gracious enough to accept all your heartfelt prayers on his behalf.
@@johnyohannan203 I see you think you know something?
if you knew something worth knowing you would know this man is a wolf and a communist implant like so many others that wrap poison in honey and feed it to those who have no foundation in truth.
I'll pray for you too.
Thank you for your prayers. Sinners like us need your prayers and love...so go on praying brother.
I think Fr. Rohr is one of the best spiritual guides of our time.
@@stevesurowiec6229 I would guess your not Catholic? When you understand the moves in the game you'll understand how the demonic work,... as Paul said be careful of the devil who can appear as light..... this is eastern teachings not Christianity.
Christ is your salvation and the only way to spiritual enlightenment, try reading Saint Teresa of Avila, the interior Castle, it is on youtube... or Saint Brigid of Sweden.... or Saint John of the Cross..... or Saint Gemma Galganni...... or what about the great Abandonment to divine providence or any thing but this wolf.