Malcador Chokes Horus | A Warhammer 40k Comic Dub
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- Опубліковано 8 січ 2023
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Is this conversation canon?
I’m not sure about this conversation word for word, but yes Malcador did force choke Horus when he almost said one of the Lost Primarchs names
Yup. Actually a whole lot longer and the chocking is after this when Horus was about to say one of the missing primarchs names and break the Emperor law. Its only Jaghatai that stops Malcador from possibly killing Horus.
In the short story The Last Council, Horus, Alpharius, and Jaghatai Khan attempt to stop Malcador the Sigillite from destroying one of the Lost Primarchs' statues outside the Imperial Palace. This Lost Primarch's actions had led to his "fall" and disgrace during the Great Crusade, and because of this, Malcador claimed he was no longer worthy of having a statue that bore his face. Horus and his brothers disagreed and stated that the Lost Primarch deserved to be remembered for the glory he had earned the Imperium. Horus then claimed that Malcador had overstepped his authority and was trying to amend the Imperium's early history, so that future generations would never know of the Lost Primarch. Despite their arguments, Malcador refused to listen, and angrily used his psychic powers to attack Horus, who began to utter the name of the Lost Primarch. While being psychically strangled by Malcador, Horus attempted to speak, but only managed to say "M..Mal...al". While, it is unknown if this is the name of the Lost Primarch, or if Horus was just trying to say Malcador's name, the former is more likely as Malchador felt an "He felt the old, familiar rage" start to surface within him upon hearing Horus speak that name, and Horus never stopped his attempt to defy Malcador.[40]
He forced Horus down onto his knees.
‘ Mal… ’ the stricken primarch choked. ‘ M-Mal… al… ’
The Sigillite’s face twisted into a vengeful rictus. He felt the old, familiar rage beginning to stir, deep in his undying soul.
‘Enough. You will be silent, or I will unmake you, here and now.’
Horus’ windpipe closed with a sickly crackle. His right eye bloomed red as a blood vessel burst in the sclera.
But still he would not relent.
So defiant. So… So… ungrateful…
My favorite part about this whole encounter is that while Malcador is force choking Horus like a bitch the Khan and Alpharius are just in the back begging him to stop like children asking their uncle to stop beating their brother
He was just trying to say Malcador.
Macaldor : "Revealing the name of the Lost Primarch could affect the GW sales, Be Silent !"
Horus : "Wat ?"
"Fourth dimensional warp fuckery..."
*[WARP DECKED]*
It's really sad to know that while the Traitor Primarchs betrayed the Imperium, they were at least remembered for their treason against the Man-Emperor of Mankind, but the Two Missing Primarchs are forever erased from existence.
Well now they should of went and NOT of done that thing that they did that they where not supposed to do in the first place. Simple as.
Im not 100% sure on how many know about horus. The general population don't know what chaos is and can't see the difference between a renegade or a loyal space marine. (Expet the mutant ones). But at least the traitor primarchs are known to some of the imperium.
- Man emperor of mankind
I see, a fellow TTS enjoyer
NO they Just hang out in the next galaxy building an inter stellar star Empire better than the imperium while they laugh about the current imperium how messed up it is
@@orange8420 average chaos simp ;)
The Last Council lends a lot more weight and context to Horus being infuriated that in the vision Erebus shows him of the future theres no statue of him and the other traitors. Knowing that a big symbolic part of erasing the missing Primarchs after they were [DATA EXPUNGED] was destroying their statues heavily implies that Horus read a lack of a statue of him and half of his Brothers in 40k as "The Emperor ordered us killed and removed from history once we were no longer useful" which is a much better reason for betrayal than just him being mad his legacy wasnt valued enough.
i would still argue it was still paranoia on horus's part, and chaos's influence too. sure fear of being erased was there but there were other ways of dealing with those concerns. the first action when you think you are being betrayed shouldn't be to betray everyone before they betray you.
@@sovietunion7643 If you are friends with a guy who you've SEEN PERSONALLY to betray another guy who was loyal to him, and then you get a vision that shows him betraying you in the same manner, fuck yeah you'll go full Alpha Legion and start making plans in your newfound paranoia
@@sovietunion7643pretty sure that’s exactly what you do when you think you’re being betrayed.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Thats how you get self fulfiling prophesies. What if people would never betray you until you betray them? that was the case with the Emperor he would never have bestrayed horus
Which is why Horus last moments were of regret. He finally realized that this treason he committed, was the reason there were no statues of his fellow brothers who followed him.
The ultimate betrayal, was the Gods who showed him the future of what he had done.
A lot of people view this as a 'badass' moment for Malcador but honestly this moment probably did more to tip Horus towards betrayal than anything.
Yes. Instead of handling a clearly grief stricken Horus like an adult, Creepy Uncle Malcador decided it was time to LARP as Darth Vader.
@@randomcenturion7264 Which is odd, seeing how Malcador was quite the manipulator, you'd think he'd find a better way to handle a situation like that
@@Tsubaki1911 Everyone has their shortcomings. Remember that time Angron swore he'd kill Emps after turning one of his Golden Fanboys into paste and he then proceeded to give him a Legion to command instead of Mercy-Killing him?
Real Galaxy-Brained move there, Big E.
@Random Centurion It's an issue with the Horus Heresy series as a whole, it's expanded well beyond its original scope and the number of authors involved has skyrocketed to the point where narrative or character consistancy is a long forgotten dream.
If I remember correctly the Horus Heresy series originally was Black Library's attempt to be taken seriously as a critically acclaimed publisher, only the best authors working on a tight highly planned well cross refernced series of 3/4 trilogies covering the stages of the Heresy (something like fall, betrayal, war, seige of terra). No Gav Thrope and absolutely no CS Goto. 50 odd novels later we are a long way from that original intent and it's lead a lot of characters to make extremely dumb decisions based more on the authors preferences or would be convient for the plot than what necessarily would make sense for the character in the circumstance
@@randomcenturion7264 Big E is one of the most idiotic beings on the galaxy when you see his actions as a whole.
- He knew a few primarchs would betray him and allowed them to live without any supervision.
- He never informed them about the truth of the immaterium despite knowing the dark gods wanted the primarchs souls and being huge made them an easy target to find.
- Since he never spoke of the immaterium he never told his sons about the cults of chaos, which allowed Erebus to do basically everything (and Typhus).
- Didn't care about Angron at all since we do know for a fact that he could either: Use his powers to save him or put him in stasis until he could. Which means he wanted the battle crazed primarch to be used as a weapon, even tho he would 100% turn into chaos due to Khorne.
- Never told the psychic son of his about the webway nor the nature of chaos even tho he was the most loyal.
- Killed all religions and its members but never said why, which, if he did, he could've saved billions of people.
- Used his future sighting to see the best path all the time, even tho he already knew Chaos could blind him for a few moments and decided all his plans based on that.
- Sent wave after wave of soldiers to die and expected loyalty (Perturabo noises).
- Killed his own assets for no big reasons (thunder warriors, we know for certain he just didn't want them to be that strong since one thunder warrior managed to extend his own life).
- Decided to allow the mentally deranged Konrad to keep a place of power.
- Allowed most worlds to live in the most decadent way possible, even tho he could slowly improve their situations thus removing Chaos control over said planets.
- Introduce anything he's done since he was alive.
I'm really surprised none of the traitors ever revealed what happened to the two lost Primarchs to the public during the heresy it would be an incredible way to spread doubt among the imperial ranks
Maybe they didn't know, remember this could have been before they were found.
If i remember correctly the memories of their brothers were erased. Except for Dorn, who was allowed to see what happended by Malcador and then agreed, it has to be forgotten
Edit: grammar
Maybe the 2 missing Primarchs died while on impact as infants or already died/ succumbed and became demons on their Planet, so there was no reason to have any info on them since there simply is none
How? There’s simply no proves.
@@kail4997
"The second and eleventh plinths had been vacant for a long time. No one ever spoke of those two absent brothers. Their separate tragedies had seemed like aberrations. Had they, in fact, been warnings that no one had heeded?" --PRIMARCH ROGAL DORN, IN THE FALLS OF THE KATH MANDAU PRECINCT, IMPERIAL PALACE, TERRA
Every single Primarch knows of their forgotten brothers. They just simply dont mention them. Or that they do but say that they are forbidden from calling out their name.
Malcador when using Force Choke: "Be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Warmaster."
Magnus, after mentally bitchslapping Malcador: "The future is now, old man."
Genius 👌
Horus: A Dad joke?
@@unnamed1613 **red testicular torsion*
you were always a monster , magnus , no soul , eye or testicle will ever change that
"Later after that exchange"
"Horus and half the Primarchs wage war against the Imperium"
Malcador and Big E: Surprise Pikachu face
Trazyn: Man how I wish I had a mouth so I could eat all that popcorn
If Trazyn had a mouth, he'd just add it to his collection. along with the popcorn.
Wasnt he asleep during the horus heresy?
@@MrBombermann27 no, he was alive already during the age of strife
Later, at the end. Horus realized that everything he had done, cemented the future he tried to prevent. The Irony of seeing the future the "Gods" wanted you to prevent, only cemented it.
@@MrBombermann27no him orikan and a few others were awoken early besides the triarch praetorians
That was ultimately what led to Horus Heresy. If it all were not nothing, if all this genocide and murder was Just to make Emperor a god, Horus would be heart broken. Horus was one of few primarchs that did not want to commit genocide against aliens. All the time during Great Crusade he kept repeating „Its for the future of humans (Greater Good Greater Good Greater Good)” and then Horus saw future, and all went to shit.
the vision could have been misleading though. its stated most future visions are flawed/don't come true due to the chaotic nature of life completely butterlflying the timeline all the time.
@@sovietunion7643 His vision was of the current setting. This has been made abundantly clear.
@@tfan2222 A self fulfilling prophecy is how almost all of prophecy works in 40k... except for the Alpha Legion for some reason.
@@Valsorayu Yeah because Alpha Legion found option 3.
Alpharius and his Effrit Squad work secretly for the Imperium, while Omegon's most of the rest of the legion went chaos to save the rest of the universe.
Omegon died. Alpharius lived.
They changed names.
I used to hate horus but after reading the first books of the Horus Heresy series, especially Horus Rising, I actually pity him and understand why he did what he did. So far I've identified 3 fatal flaws that the imperial leadership and Emperor made.
1. They did not warn the primarchs of the existence of chaos. I can understand not informing the general public so as to maintain stability and prevent mass panic, but the primarchs and their top commanders should of been made aware of the dangers it posed.
2. The Emperor was kind of a shitty Dad. Horus in one chapter laments to Madagast and two members of the mournival that he is concerned that the burden of running the imperium is simply too much for him to handle and that his job was to lead the crusade not appease and endless wave of snarky bureaucrats, and he felt that the Emperor kinda of threw him away to wolves.
3. The imperium didn't seem very cohesive. The legions from what I can tell rarely operated together and often petty rivalries between primarchs and their legions got in the way of the mission. The Emperor could, and should of intervened. Horus tried to repair relations but only a few primarchs returned the gesture. Most were lukewarm at best.
These factors I believe are what made horus vulnerable, and the betrayal of Erebus with the interex, and the events of Davin's moon sealed the deal. I honestly feel bad got horus. He got betrayed and led to his demise by a former friend. Seriously, Erebus can go suck on a fat one.
Betrayal is never from a enemy, but from a friend
"One of us which is why he is against us"
English translation of a well known poem in my country
It's the small things, small concessions, small slights, small pains that pave the road to damnation.
When Malcador force-choked Horus for trying to speak the fallen Primarchs name, he made it abundantly clear how they meant to him or the emperor.
I feel like that was a turning point for Horus, the first spark that would eventually made him turn on the Imperium.
The books didn’t lean on this angle enough, imho Horus betraying the Emperor because he wants to avenge his erased brothers is a lot better than him being stabbed by a magic chaos blade and getting mind fucked into joining Chaos.
This is extra sad when you remember Horus was so nervous becoming Warmaster that Malcador gave him a sort of pep talk before the ceremony.
And then...THIS, was their last real conversation.
It’s really tragic that Malcador in this moment gave Horus all the motivation he needed to be Warmaster but sadly he motivated him in the opposite direction.
@@michaelkean5969 And it led to Horus torturing him on the Golden Throne, making him watch everything he was doing to the boarding party, all while the Dark Gods fought to eat his soul.
> This is extra sad when you remember Horus was so nervous becoming Warmaster that Malcador gave him a sort of pep talk before the ceremony.
When was this? Which book, I mean.
"Horus you know our rules... Your father has taught you this so many times and you have neglected to remember..."
*"No girls allowed"*
B- but what abb-about Elda-
@@ChaoticVoicesofAndreas *"NO GIRLS ALLOWED!!!!!!!"*
Girls are icky
@@ChaoticVoicesofAndreas When did you arrive Roboute Guilliman?
As someone who "lost" a brother and my family gives him the same treatment (never mentions his existence at all) i can relate to horus here
If i was him during those visions i would get worried and furious knowing more of them would suffer the same fate
This makes me sad and angry at the same time.
Are you also going to commit heresy against your family like Horus did?
Horus said all the words needed to be said by those of us in that room that day…
Horus is very reasonable, i’m sure this little exchange will have no lasting affects whatsoever.
any reasonable person upon being forced to not speak cuz it was "forbidden" would immediately rise in rebellion. so yeah, horus is not reasoable at all for not rising in rebellion to that, but instead cuz of some stupid wishy washy chaos blade bs.
I really don't get why Big E and Malcador seemed to think they were too good for basic management work and employee appreciation. They - and the Imperium as a whole - could really have benefited from some leadership training. An average middle-manager of today is better at this particular skill than they were. I'm sure they thought they could predict everything and had everything well in hand, but they clearly underestimated the human factor. I kind of like that, since it's such a basic flaw that caused complete downfall.
Yeah he should have taken out his sons to a galactic round of laser tag or paintball
@Dominotik Ivan Tulovskiy which is honestly a really bad excuse. Because even if he did know all he did was ensure it to happen and then fucked off. So even though he supposedly had seen the future he couldn't prevent it and his management of it made it self-fulfilling, leading to him rotting away on the golden throne
@Andrew Ryan interestingly, if he hadn't destroyed all religion, then people might not have been so ready to get suckered into treating him as one after the heresy.
The Horus Heresy could’ve been prevented with one team building weekend.
Not just leadership, parenting classes as well.
Honestly the Lost primarchs should've been the reason for the heresy, or at least this moment should've started it
Lorgar and Sanguinius were worried their legions would be discarded like one (or both?) of their brothers, Vulkan was uneasy, Corvus was, at first, seemingly confused on why there was only 18 sons if he was n°19, Fulgrim was apparently sad, Leman seemed to regret it too... fuck, even Mortarion, out of all people, mentioned something to Magnus to not talk about it and hush hush. Horus had this moment with Alpharius and Malcador, Khan even said that Horus was speaking out of grief and not reason (mostly to appease the situation). Dorn was kinda pissed off when he remembered it and Guilliman seemed sad but left two empty seats for them in the Fortress of Hera.
People barely talk about those two primarchs in lore, as it should apparently, but whatever happened to them kinda served as a spark for a future rebellion, Chaos involved or not.
Emperor: dammit Lorgar stop! Angron did what to his legion?!
Curze bombed his home world?
Look, I'm too busy to mind wipe humanity (again!) and obliterating 3 legions is not an option! Right Lorgar gets the first talk.
The Emperor laid the ground work for man kind’s destruction with the gleeful help of Malcador. His arrogance gave the Chaos Dieties the opening they needed to do to Man what they had already done to the Eldar.
True, everything sucks and humanity is doomed to die all because Big E amd Malcador couldn't stop being assholes
I think Big E used and tricked Malcador into harming Horus as he actually DOES know about the Heresy and used it to steal more power from the Chaos Gods.
It was his arrogance for sure
He thought if he rushed things, he could beat Chaos
How arrogant to think he could conquer the galaxy and defeat chaos and elevate the human race in like 250 years
Worst part?
This isnt the first time!
He stole ancient knowledge before
And thr TRUE (lol first) Warmaster betrayed him and they fought
Malcador is not an assholes because he tryed help the imperium he is good friends with limon russ and limon knows that he is a pawn of malcadors games but accepts it because its for the of the imperium and malcador probably trying to hide the lost primarchs because some things are better of forgotten and the big E is trying to unite humanity he didnt want the destruction of humanity the big E and malcador did plans to start the horus heresy but because of chaos intervention made the bid E to sit on the golden throne to stop chaos from spreading and malcador created the inquisition and the grey knight and other things the inquisition work hard to stop chaos and i done my research that he was alexander ceasar he was probably the prophet of every riligion jesus to Muhammad and he is very old he was born in the 8th millennium bc that means he is very wise and i bet the 3 of you people didn't done you're research on the big E and don't judge the big E or you will be a heretic and fun fact did you know that malcador has the Mona Lisa by Leonardo da vinci and sun flowers by vincent van Gogh and go watch some warhammer 40k videos so you know the 40k universe better and i wont accuse you of being a heretic im watching you🧐 and why religious where destroyed because so the people will be more rationale so they can undermine the chaos gods influence so to not strengthen the chaos god's and go watch some warhammer 40k lore go watch #weshammer or #majorkill
@@ArtemisarrowzzNo, he just was too arrogant to realize the rebellion mounting around him. If he’d listened and maybe sought real compromise with his sons he could have succeeded. He treated everyone around him like a atheist robot driving them away with indifference and abuse. He just expects blind trust and faith despite crying out against that exact thing in religions.
Big difference from the Lion who didn't give an f about how he was remember so long as the job got done.
The most unbelievable part of this is Alpharius walking around without his helmet.
What do you mean? That's Omegon!
@@ChaoticVoicesofAndreas You mean Alpharius? We are all Alpharius.
@@Brutalyte616 *looks in the mirror ' MY WORD
@@ChaoticVoicesofAndreas Pretty sure that's just a random Alpha legionary.
@@lolmeme69_ Its still Alpharius then:)
For years I thought Horus had turn be a traitor for a selfish Gain .
But it was not to be forgotten , not to treated as tool by the emperor ,he wanted to be love
by the emperor for himself and his brothers.
For that reason, I now understand him for his betrayal .
The emperor has been betrayed everyone like he had betrayed the thunders warriors who have lay down their lives for emperor cause.
Horus was tormented with chaos induced nightmares of the future where him and his fallen brothers statues where being destroyed, the implications where that the emperor erased them (the heresy cause the destruction of the traitor primarchs statues so he cause the future he was trying to stop) and was also stabbed with a blade that helped chaos taint him + all 4 chaos gods played a part in the corruption of horus which turned him into a puppet of chaos, when the emperor purged chaos from horus, he was regretful and deeply saddened by what he did. thunder warriors where physiologically unstable and where slowly killed be there gene flaws and driven insane, so that was a mercy kill as well as that they killed civilians way to much do to said flaws. Thunder warriors where also really hard to make due to the amount of gene seed that was crammed into them, so instead of letting them sit on the sidelines and go crazy and slowly die a painful death, he had them culled so they wouldn't suffer.
As I get older, and see the world as it is IRL, I understand the Night Lord's battle cry: "Death to the False Emperor."
Nightlords are Murderous lunatics though, that kill imperial citizens and Guardsmen who have nothing to do with what happened. So what ARE you learning?
I'd take the corpse god over the Night Lords any day. Rapists and murderers of the worst kind don't get to define good from evil.
@@cookiecraze1310 they were a necessary evil that the emperor used and even wanted to have they just got corrupted by the madness of their primarch ( who also could have been better if they just helped him)
@@cookiecraze1310 Death to the False Emperor.
@@cookiecraze1310 do you know I’d rather deal with rapists who can just be shot then a genocidal madman, with the amount of power necessary to cause a star to go supernova
See now this is the shit that we should've seen when Horus was turning to Chaos. Instead we got whinny baby man who trusts strangers and betrayers too easily
Pretty much. The difference between a whiny little bitch and a well rounded character is a justification for their fears. The old expanded universe for star wars and the clone wars series did this for Anakin, and more scenes like this would've done the same for horus and other traitors. Give us more scenes like this for horus. Give us more scenes of how empty Fulgrim was implied to have felt even pre slaanesh corruption. Give us more scenes of other primarchs during the crusade outright disrespecting perturabo. Give us more scenes of tzeentch manipulating magnus through various agents/guises throughout his life. Give us more scenes of lorgar when he was young, with his worship of the emperor being one of the only things that kept him going on his shit chaos homeworld. Give us more scenes of mortarion being disrespected by his own people for failing and needing the emperor to save him.
All of these would do miles for justifying their falls. Make things more understandable, the issue is in lore much of this was only shown once or implied so it makes the primarchs come off as whiney bitches. The only traitors with a justified and understandable fall currently are angron and konrad.
As Malcadoe was choking Horus, Horus said, "M..Mal..al." Some people think he was trying to say Malcador, but it's not in his character to beg for mercy like that. I believe he was saying the name of his lost brother, Malal.
Plot twist
Isnt that the 5th chaos god
@@ianmcguire2851 yes
I thought he was saying "Malcador" so he could try and curse him out or something.
@@ianmcguire2851i thought he was called malice
True gigachad isn't worried about being historical figure
True gigachad just wants to see The Emperors dream realized
Lion Moment
Man the emperors ass must taste like beef and chocolate if you can kiss it so much. Then again I shouldn’t expect much from a corpse Simp 😒
@@zekenotech same Lion that gifted the massive siege engine to Perturabo used later on Terra, thinking he could be Warmaster instead, for such a secretive tactical primarch he was pretty useless when needed most
A true man would have struck the Emperor down as the monster he was.
@@SixArmedSweater never
What I like about this scene when horus entered that room with anger custodians teleported in that same room and ask do you need help and malcador says it's not needed
Some people said Malcador himself is also one of many reasons for Horus to start to think about his loyalty, and turned Chaos.
Malcador to this day for me is one mysterious figure, and I wanna see something or an event that would be relate to him in the futre.
It's honestly hilarious how bad Malcador and Anathema shit the bed on properly handling the worries and concerns of his sons.
Spectacular voice acting AGAIN! It was an honor to work on this project ;)
It was an honour to have you work on it. Stellar work!
Yes.
Damn I guess humans are still being human
Honestly, if Horus rebelled and didn't join Chaos, i would've sided with him
Ngl if Chaos didn't intervene, I'm pretty sure the Traitors would've been seen as the good guys for the most part
Ehhhhh debatable...
Even before Chaos intervened most traitor legions where fucked up in one way or another.
@@ZR-cj2fm that's true
but I think the ones I could name who are like that would be the World Eaters, Night Lords, and Word Bearers
Iron Warriors were doing some strange stuff too
@@auugh43546 well pre Big E fucking it up the Word Bearers were one of the best Legions to have show up at your planet because not only would they negotiate beyond “we have big scary dudes with guns, you pay taxes now” but they would also leave your planet in significantly better condition when they arrived. Meanwhile a lot of the loyalist legions were pretty bad themselves when it came to publicity. The Space Wolves were really only slightly better than the World Eaters when it came to not just chainaxing the entire planetary population, and Johnson was almost as bad as Perterbo when it came to ruthlessness with his men’s lives. Heck even the Salamanders had the habit of leaving worlds a little too charred for colonization.
@@PikachuLittle tbf yeah, the planets the Word Bearers conquered were significantly better for the Imperium; but that's likely because they're powered by their faith in the God-Emperor, and back then god-emperor was a nono
“…”
“So that summed up almost most of it”
“Beautifully”
Emperor be dammed the VA for Horus was ABSOLUTELY AMAZING
Extra heart for you: ❤️
id say its likely the Emperor would have gotten rid of them all as he did with thunder warriors, likely he would have made a second batch and just said they did all the crusading with him instead of the originals.
Big E- "Why are my lab rats talking?"
Imagine if the reason they deleted those 2 Primarchs from the record was because they were never alive and Malcador tried to hide it from everyone since it meant they failed.
Or they lost them cause Tzeentch probably threw them into the dark voids of space outside of the galaxy.
I have 2 ideas for why the 2 other Primarchs got snapped away by Dorn and the Emp:
1.) They both turned out as irrevocable failures, and commited horrors that couldn't see the light of day. The Night Lords and World Eaters are bad, the fact they didn't get wiped but the other 2 did hints to them going even more wrong than any others.
2.) They discovered the Chaos gods before anyone else, and the Big E thought that if he could contain the knowledge of them he could put off the coming reconing by just abit longer. Even if they didn't get tainted, the idea of a world beyond filled with demons and gods may have shattered the r/atheism empire Big E was making.
@@cookiecraze1310 They also could just be the Emperor's back up plans. It wouldn't be the first secret army that Big E created and most certainly won't be the last. That or one of them found DAoT A.I and wanted to turn the fuckers on so they can "help" humanity retake the galaxy. After knowing what A.I and humanity in it's peak were capable of, I would have erased them from existence as well.
What’s even sadder about this is that Angron and Kharn were supposed to be the ones To alleviate the pain of these two, only to allow the butchers nails to destroy any chance of that happening.
:(
I know he's a fanfavourite and definitely a badass but sometimes I feel like Malcador isn't actually that good(? It's 40k so anyone being good is debatable). But this scene especially in full context paints him as a asshole who makes Horus fall faster for nothing.
Dude, he is the right hand man of a crazy (and I mean literally insane) space warmonger r/atheism reddit mod with super powers bend over (universal) galactic domination via any means necessary while destroying everything who opposses him, human or not. A dude so freaking crazy all his friends but Malcador deserted him or outright tried to kill him.
What in the world makes you think he was, by any definition, ever "good"?
- "So much contempt for your own species".
- "Because I know what a man is capable of when he is left alone in the dark."
_ Private conversation between Jaghatai Khan and Malcador
@@Artemisarrowzz Straight up
Love the Emperor, but he is literally a high functioning psychopath
@@adrienwatson2179 I mean he is an awesome character because he is f up lol
Weird how people just paint him as a saint or a good guy tho. This is 40k, people
@@Artemisarrowzz I know right?
Why is it he has been betrayed by TWO Warmasters?
Literally bith times he stole and hid forbidden knowledge
You would think the first Warmaster nearly killing him and the ensuing fight would be a hint to "Not be such a dick anymore"
And dont get me started on Angron
Well Emperor did betray Thunder wariors.
Did he? Did he really?
@@ChaoticVoicesofAndreas Well, he kind of ordered their systematic and total eradication as a reward for their duty, because of the enchancements that HE implanted into them.
I'd say that validates for betrayal, yeah.
Tbf, the Thunder Warriors were powerful, but very unstable, so they were unworthy of his vision for Humanity. They would suffer worse than death had they lived longer, so killing them all was a merciful fate than just living.
Aw man, you manage to make me like horus, Lets the galaxy burn!!!!!
(Horus as he tortures Malcador with visions of the Vengeful Fury)
Horus: Not so impressive now, Old Man.
This feels like a really weird but honestly phenomenal take on Horus’ voice, I really dig it
Cheers!
If memory serves, the choke happened as soon as Horus was about to utter the forgotten Primarch's name
Indeed!
And "mal" isn't for "malcador" but for "malal" one of the erased primarchs
And "mal" isn't for "malcador" but for "malal" one of the erased primarchs
And "mal" isn't for "malcador" but for "malal" one of the erased primarchs
We were this close to finding out just the name of the lost primarch but old boy malcador just choked em out. honestly props to malcador, my guy looked at half the primarchs as spoiled kids.
Had Khan and Alpharius grown a pair and backed up their brother 40K would be a different world RN.
Fulgrim would probably say: "Hardeeer Daaaddy".
Oof
In False Gods, Horus is shown a vision of the creation of the primarchs by Erebus, and during it he stops and looks at the being in pod 11 sad that he’ll never meet his true potential.
Man I feel for Horus...
Funnily enough I'm sure this is part of the reason horus fell to Chaos. They preyed on one of horus' primary fears, his fear of being forgotten, just used and tossed aside. And Malcador outright said that could happen to him, Malcador, the second in command of the imperium, the guy that often speaks on the emperor's behalf saying this. The only thing that would've irked Horus more is if the emperor himself said it.
M: "who are we talking about?"
H: "uh. . . . MY BROTHER!"
M: "which one?"
H: "IT. . . . A. . . . . HIM!!"
M: "who?"
H: "DAMN YOU!!"
“I remember my Brother’s name Sigilite! It was….STEVEN!”
And thus, another reason for the Horus Heresy.
Kinda sad how we know almost nothing about these two Primarch and their Legions, and I honestly cannot imagine something even worse then the Horus Heresy as a whole, what did they do to deserve being erased from history, yet still being remembered vaguely by their brothers? Magnus the Nerd did something wrong, and that's intresting because, pretty much almost everything we can think of, the reasons why the Second and Eleventh Legion are gone, the traitors did it in one way or another and they're still alive, under the control of Chaos of course.
I wonder if perhaps the reason they were [data expunged] isn't that what they did was worse than the heresy, but that the opposite: that it was small enough in scale that silencing all mention of it and them was feasible.
The same cannot be said for Horus' rebellion for the sheer size and damage it inflicted. Horus' and the other traitors' statues may be gone, but everybody knows their names after what they did, even if the nature of chaos is kept from the public to the best of the inquisition's efforts.
Not necessarily worse. Just made at at time where the ressources were sufficient to hide it, and the scale of it small enough too. You can't expundge that much the Horus Heresy (and even then, in 40k lore, most people don't know about it. Horus is like the devil in christianity, a legendary figure to scare off children)
One of the moments which really illustrated WHY the traitors turned against the Emperor of mankind
One of the myriad of mistakes The Emperor and Malcador made. To say someone failed is fair, to erase him from living memory for that is not.
that ending card was smooooooooth. Good work on this one. I felt his anger.
But don't worry guys, The Imperium and the Emperor are the good guys I Promise.
(Don't worry about the bolter behind your head, that's just for your safety.)🤫
You might as well use it, you aren't convincing me.
I remember Malcador was nearly in tears while doing this.
It makes me wonder who the two missing primarchs were.
The question we may never get an answer.
Gork and Mork
@R O personally I think one left the galaxy and found the tyranids becoming like vecna in Stranger Things.
And the other is Mala
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The II primarch apparently was a chill guy, according to Fulgrim
I actually remember reading somewhere that Malcador wasn't actually doing some force chocking stuff and was actually smoothing Horus's brain, as in, literally unwrinkling it
Heheheh
I like seeing horus instead of FUCKING HORUS as the emperor would put it later.
While we don't know why the two primarchs were forgotten
Knowing Emperor and Malcador, Horus was most likely in the right here
Astounding how fast anger can change from hot rage to cold, patient, murderous intent.
Meanwhile in an alternate timeline: "You're right Horus, what I did was excessive and if you wish to you may hate me for it, if you wish to undo what has been done I will not stop you, because I trust you to make the decisions you feel are correct"
Horus: Oh-uhhh whole speech kinda feels like a moot point now
**And the Horus Heresy became the Lorgarian heresy which was quickly snuffed out by Horus but not forgotten because Horus wishes his brothers right and wrongs not be forgotten**
And to think what could've been if Malcador didn't feel like LARPing as Darth Vader that day.
Honestly, he shouldn't have needed Chaos to turn traitor, this sort of thing should have been enough.
I read somewhere that the two missing primarchs have to do with the Rangdan Xenocides somehow.
My best guess is that they allied with the Xenos and fought the Imperium, but that doesn't explain their legions getting wiped out too.
We should get the guy who did Horus in the Audio Dramas to voice this.
That would be glorious!
Honestly had Horus not joined chaos and started a genuine civil war I’d say he’d be completely justified on a side note I would like to read a story about that where Horus is like the emperor is a dick he must be stopped and tells chaos to straight up get bent
If it was a non-chaos war, the following are possible.
-Jaghatai Joining Horus.
-Negotiations actually being an option since it's more like the Badab War where it started over bureaucratic nonsense.
-Fulgrim probably wouldn't join since it took massive effort on the Laer Deamon for him not to betray Horus at the start.
-Magnus warns Horus of the implications and instead of Prospero burning, Magnus is in a struggle to get Horus to see a vision of what his civil war will bring.
I’d like to believed the reason why Two Primarchs were expunged *was to erase proof of Emperor’s heinous crime*
Two of them were unlucky enough to stumble onto evidences of Thunder Warrior’s fate, and able to pieces together what they, and their fellow Primarchs, really are, what uses are their purpose and their own future.
And let’s just put it all in that Malcador, as Emperor’s right hand man has a dip of dirt on his hand
…makes me wonder what the Emperor is. Not who - *what* - because Emperor is not the God, neither one of the Chaos Gods.
*He’s even worse*
HE FOUND OUT!
Malcador and by extension the emperor were cold bastards.
For all that Malcador chides Horus for not knowing the struggles of the common man, how could he, an immortal with the power to destroy a primarch possibly understand that!?
For all their talk of humanity they had mere scerics of it.
You know you are initiated into the fandom when you start to resent Big E.
WORST DAD
sh!t.....
I h@ted him the second i knew of him.....
Narrator: "He felt like a little bitch." (One of my favourite moments in Canon. Malcador finally having enough of this shit and one demigod on his knees and two others pleading for his life.)
Malcador: "Sit down, pup. You think you're the real Macoy? Think again." 😛
Me in this situation: "and buddy boy I am eternally grateful for your sacrifices." *gets shot*
Seeing Leman's bloodied sword thrust in the dirt accompanied by the words "Crushed" gives me chills but also makes me deeply sad.
Yo, horus have a point
Imagine being a demigod craving validation for all the sacrifices youve made towards bettering humanity but looking at people like the guardsmen and thinking they're scum
Almost Malcador, you almost end the heresy before it even started...
“The emperor has betrayed us!”
He did?!?
“No….but are we just gonna stand around until he does?”
Chad Horus gives speech while Malcador the eversidepieced uses entire psychic prowess to give Horus a tummy ache.
I love how Alpharius of all Primarchs was completely put off by what Malcador did. As it even to him, this was crossing a line.
I always assumed that Horus saying “M… Mal …al” was actually his trying to say his dead brother’s name rather than pleading to Malcador. Showing that both Horus would not yield or back down. And that he truly loved his brothers and wanted to do what was right. Sort of a foreshadowing of his refusal to back down or yield during the Heresy. Let alone why he betrayed the Emperor in the first place.
The primarchs arrived. Upon moloch,a month later they gathered.
Mortarion eyed the gathering carefully before looking at horus
"I hope you have a good reason for why were here horus."
"Under any circumstances id dissagree...but yes,what is this about horus?" Lorgar eyed.
"The emporor..." Konrad said with uncharacteristic quietness.
Dorn sneered. "You will be silent in our presence curze. Youve done enough."
"Dorn,this is not the time for grudges." Horus said curtly.
"I say otherwise,do you not hate curze for his actions,to me as well?"
Horus shook his head to dorns rage.
"You have a right to be angry. But curzes visions had a point. A point i now see. Father is coming. If you wont listen to me,at least let him speak."
Mortarion was about to object,but it was neither the time or place. Defeated he eyed horus.
"Then what does father want then?"
"I called you all here because of what horus spoke to me of."
Arriving was the emporor,constantin and malcador. Horus eyed his father but kneeled the same.
"What did horus and you speak of?" Mortarion eyed the witch.
The emporor thought long, before nodding.
"Something i should entrust you all with."
Magnus and perturabo eyed each other carefully.
"Well. Lead on father." Magnus spoke.
The primarchs and emporor arrived at the gate,the emporor turned and he spoke.
"Tell me,what do you recall before you arrived on your home world?"
Answers were mostly the same as they answered. But konrad spoke.
"But we were made on terra. Had it gone your way,we would have stayed there. Then what of the chaos gods?"
"Do not call them that. They are not gods. Not ones in the sense you think."
The emporor showed a mini map like show of the warp.
"These 4 creatures call themselves gods,vut in reality they are parasites. At 1st,i did not have the means to make you. Until moloch. I took my birthright from moloch,but at a cost. The neverborn believe they want to save you from me. When in reality they bay and hunger for your souls. As for what would happen...why dont you tell them,konrad."
Konrad was shocked. But did so.
"The galaxy would be in flames. I have seen it. Lorgar,you become the 1st heretic,dragging down horus with you. Mortarion,you fall to nurgle after betrayal and necares promise. Fulgrim,you kill ferrus and become your very opposite. And sanguinus...fair,fair sanguinus..."
"YOU LIE! HOW DARE YOU KONRAD!" Storms teeth roared,but horus cought his arm.
"Let me go brother."
"This is not the time for rage to dictate your actions rogal. He speaks the truth. If you will not listen to him,then listen to father."
"I...forgive me. my lord."
"As he said,this would come to pass originally. But horus seemed to change."
Lorgar eyed his father nervously.
"If there are no gods,then what does that make you father? You are a god in all but name!"
Neoth sighed.
"Lorgar,i am this way through circumstances not my own. I stamp out religion because it has utterly destroyed man upon several ocasions. I make a inportance upon apperance for many reasons. But if you desire faith,then place that faith in neither gods nor daemons. But in humanity."
Lorgar was silent...but nodded.
"I...i will keep this in mind."
"Then what of me father!?" Perturabo roared.
"...i am sorry perturabo. I will help you with your problems. But please. Once we are done." Perturabo silently nodded.
"Then what of me father..." Curze said.
The emporor steped to curze.
"I will do what i should have done upon nostramo."
Dorn looked confused.
"That being?"
"This."
The emporor put a hand to curze. His visions began to cease,yet not fully,as the darkness of his eyes faded to a more natural blackened brown.
"So horus is the reason your being buddy buddy is it!?" Mortarion sneered in disgust.
"...i will not ask for forgiveness mortarion. But i ask for you to not let horus be the reason for this. Even if i do not show it,i love all of you in some way. My many selves may be otherwise but i truely do love you all.
Fulgrim nodded. Setting the laer blade aside he eyed the emporor.
"...im sorry."
"Come my sons...the galaxy awaits but...for once. Let us talk."
Where is this from.
@@anirudhashok3332 its fanfic
@@lolbots686which onE?
where can I read it
*Malcador* '' Cease! ''
*Horus* '' Harder uncle! ''
*Malcador* '' Eeuhm...''
I always fìnd it interesting that the two primarchs who were with Horus were Khan and Alpharius (possibly Omegon since he was the one who was friendly with Horus) one decided to stay loyal which shows Horus fall and the other joined Horus and died while Omegon ( Alpharius) also sided with they loyalists
Only thing this comic gets wrong is Horus still stared him down as he was choking, even as his eyes turned red from blood vessels bursting, he never looked away, until he was allowed to breath again.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing...warmaster...."
And they wonder so many of the god emperor's sons fell.
I’m just gonna go with all of 40 K is actually Malcador having his last moments as his skull is crushed in the palm of Horus’s hand, because it doesn’t matter how strong you are as a psychic. The guy who can see lasers, moving in slow motion is faster than you, and he’s going to squish you like a bug that is to say at no point should Malcador the Sigilite be a threat to any primarch he should just get slapped into paste
man you really hate malcador huh
I dont hate him but hes low compared to Horus and should have died here@shinhook2k280
Keep in mind Horus threw the first punch literally he punched his uncle straight across the room. And keep in mind he is a son of the emperor he's 9 ft tall and he punched an old man. Clean across the room Horus is also a Primarch and Space Marine.
Do you have any idea what kind of force they can punch with. And this man this absolute boss malcador took a punch from. From a demigod got backup dusted himself off like Madara from Naruto and proceeded to choke the life from him.
To be fair, Malcador probably had Shield up, which means he had a +5 bonus to his AC, including against the triggering attack, and would have taken no damage from Magic Missile.
Seems so insane to me the two lost primarchs for all intents and purposes never existed yet the traitors and especially Horus are infamous. Surely they are deserving of a worse fate in the history of the Imperium.
Not really, the Imperium as a whole don't know that Chaos Primarchs exist and see them more as demons that betrayed the Emperor. No one but the Space Marines and the Inquisition know of the Fallen Primarchs and most of the successor Chapters don't even know of their names. Not to mention, whatever the two missing Primarchs could have done had to have been *worse* than Chaos. Considering that the Emperor, after possessing Guilliman, said to Mortarion that even though he sided with Nurgle, he could still be redeemed back to his side. So they must have done something to the equivalent of turning on still existing A.I from DAoT and wanting to use it to "help" the Imperium.
As much as I hate Horus for being a huge “pick me” boy. I genuinely love moments like this that humanize and bring his inner struggle to life
its funny cause when malcador gives dorn back his memories of the missing 2 he says that if they were still around the loyalists would all be dead by now. they were traitors before horus was. i do think it would be great to go into who they were and what happened now the whole heresy has been done, but we have the scouring to get through too.
Whe need more comics like this but a bit longer. Like how much whe need TTS back how it was.
My conspiracy/headcanaon is that the two lost primarchs encountered daemons and chaos. Likely as part of the "rangdan xenocides." Knowing about the mere existence of chaos is almost as bad as actively worshipping the gods. Big E and Malcador couldn't have the primarchs or their sons who partook in the battle blabbing about that. So it was determined that the lost primarchs were to be killed, the marines who were with them purged, and all records of their deeds expunged. A massive cover-up to keep the burgeoning imperium ignorant of chaos' existence. All that effort to censor their existence wasted when the Horus Heresy came around, which was too big and too devastating to ever full cover up or deny the existence of.
What fascinate me on the missing primachs, is what did they do that deserve them to be forgotten, like really what did they do?
Well, they [REDACTED]
One of them tried to let girls into the Astartes club
The other one was happily married to an Ork
We have enough vauge hints that we can make an educated guess as to what they did. The general consensus of the lore (which is conflicted) is that the 2nd betrayed the Emperor by turning against him due to corruption (either xenos, chaos, or a combination) during the Rangdan Xenocides campaign. This would cause the wolves to be unleashed having him and his legion would be the purged. The 11th turned away from the Emperor and the crusade, deciding to no longer support the Emperor's vision as he knew the Primarchs and the Space Marines were just as expendable as the Thunder Warriors before them. He was possibly taken into custody by the Custodes and kept in prison in the vaults of Terra. During the Heresy, and afterwards, multiple Primarchs ruminate on the fates of the lost brothers wondering if their fall from grace had been premonitions of what to come with Horus and his civil war. These early betrayals show that the Primarchs were capable of turning from the Emperors vision by choice and were able to be corrupted and turned from humanity by outside influence. In the end they were still human, with all of the flaws that come with it.
@@seanodonnell8001 makes sense, the crusade was a diffrent time and having one of the emperor two own sons turning backs would ruin the whole idea of the crusade.
Why do i feel that in my family (dad's side) i'll be one of the missing primarcs (probably the one of the second legion)
It sucks when your tools pretend to have emotions.😊
Your Emps is sbowing