Just wanted to say that I appreciate you sitting through my content even though you found it hard to do. I respect how you sited moments in streams and videos in a way that didn’t feel rude or disrespectful, and I accept that you do have some valid criticisms towards my content I am glad this vid is doing well for you, and I wish you the best with what you’re doing, because you clearly care deeply about it, and I respect it.
@@rimaevenstar In fairness to Brad, while he doesn't like Calli's music, he at the very least completely laughed off the whole Twitter crowd calling her racist over a joke, and I can respect him for taking that stance
I'm glad you're at least self aware of your own faults, dude. I can respect someone who acknowledges such. Full disclaimer, I am the one who told Rima about your reviews (I helped her source a bit of information for this video), and if it came off as rude in any sense then it was likely my fault. Calli's music is incredibly special to me, and I may have let it cloud my view of you before. If it showed up in Rima's speech, that is probably my fault and I apologize for that. I hope you continue to be as reasonable as you have been.
For me Calli is just like coconut, she's hard on the outside but soft on the inside, she's just as tsundere like Kronii. While IRyS is constantly doing some yabai stuff without even trying which is truly hilarious (ex: mermaid pose 😂).
It's not that Calli is actually "controversial" it's that social media and the people on the internet have become completely deranged. Calli is a hardworking woman that knew how to best use the rare opportunities that where presented to her. Lady Death has my approval and may she continue to prosper. And hopefully not die either from alcohol poisoning to a stroke due to copious caffeine consumption.
Unfortunately we live in a world where basically everything You say is easily torn apart by the mass of hosts of individuals that just DON'T know how to see what is ACTUALLY being said or felt or etc. I can look at most of what Calli is saying in here and know pretty quickly that what she's trying to say is very different from what people are claiming in those texts. I know that some of these people are just extremely overly dramatizing what's actually happening. Calli says one thing and I and most other people understand what she means. but then a handful of just vindictive, hateful, and spiteful individuals wanna see everything as something bad. Unfortunately we have to deal with a lot of these people that just don't THINK about what is being said or how it's intended. They just wanna quickly assume what they THINK is actually means and that's where the assumptions and conspiracy comes from. most of these controverses just seem like Misdirection. Like all Calli really did wrong at all is just react poorly and make little mistakes. as a result it was just received badly and then escalated much worse by people Blowing it out of proportion and creating their own Narratives. I've been doxed multiple times and experiences issues like this before so I understand very well what it's like to be misunderstood and how badly people can try to twist what You say. You make the tiniest mistake or the smallest slip up and a arsenal of perpetual pigeons are waiting to flock right ontop of your mistake and make it as worse as they possibly can just to ruin you for any reason they can. That's why You just gotta be stronger and smarter and learn how to deal with these things. people can't be controlled all You can do is control how you react and what You say and do and etc
Calli is ironically *'a strong, successful Woman'* so all these mentally challenged SJW clowns should worship her. But since she is not bowing down to anyone, especially not to the virtue signaling crowd, of course those being part of this mob mostly hate her.
To be honest I never saw Calli as someone mean, just as someone with no filter. She says what's on her mind, usually not caring what others will think, and to be honest, it's something I really admire! Some of the hate on her is really stupid, for example "said no when kiara asked if she had seen her mv" what's the problem with saying no?? That's so pathetic
Which is what always makes me laugh when people call her "Fake". If she was willing to self-censor more, and not speak her mind she would have had an easier time... but also not have been real.
@@technomancermagus8357 She has tried to self censor herself recently…to various levels of success. But her trying to censor herself and failing is almost as hilarious as Fuwamoco trying to bleep out curses in typing of the dead.
@@Zeronigel332 The Mori moment that still hits me in the feels is this one... ua-cam.com/video/bSO-FNCQ7wQ/v-deo.htmlsi=FAV397TB67Iwu7xi Seriously, Mori went out of her way when she had a moment to shine to talk up Ollie to a band she was collaborating with.
The whole "I don't want Calli to interact with my precious oshi because she will corrupt them 😡" thing baffles me. Everyone in Hololive is an adult and can think for themselves not some like innocent and pure cherub that needs to be protected. Also great video!
Very true. A lot of fans treat their favorite Vtubers like children that can’t think for themselves. To be in hololive you have to be 18 or older, and most of the talents are in their mid 20’s. It’s fucking laughable, I can’t even take them seriously
i think she has find a way to transform the hate in creative energy and work. Else I cannot explain how good she is doing in both her careers, to the point that I wonder if she sometimes sleeps. I don't have much time, so i watch mainly clips, and she's absolutely hilarious in collabs. Also I don't really like her music but I don't go around bitching about it, I just listen to other stuff, but I'm glad of all the success she is getting. Wish for her to stay strong and maybe sometimes just relax, she really is working at a rythim that should not be humanely possible
Same here. Knowing of just some of the crap she's had to get through and put up with, and seeing her thriving now, has only made me admire her more. Mori Calliope is and always will be my oshi.
Never understood how people could hate her (I still remember her and Kronii getting hate from weirdos because they collabed with the Tempus boys; which were comedy gold). Calli is also pretty much beloved by all three branches because of her creativity, work ethic and sense of humor.
I have so much sympathy for Cali wanting her friends from her underground days to be proud of her... There's an unfortunate threshold of success that, once you cross, a lot of people say you've sold out and are soulless now, that you've lost the point of the music. Particularly in more punk/counter culture scenes like she used to operate in. I hope those friends have listened to her music because whatever your opinion of it, you cannot deny that it is filled to bursting with soul and sincerity. I really do wish her all the best.
@@kclink1579 I think you can sell out and still be a hard worker. She has even admitted that the past her would probably shit on the current her for her choice to go corporate and some of the songs she now sings. Like do you think the edge lord underground rapper that she was when she moved to Japan would respect somebody who did a cover of "Sorry I'm so Cute". Or any of the other idol songs she's been part of? She even admitted on Trash Taste that before she joined Hololive she thought the entire Idol culture and VTubers to be pretty cringe. So in how the term is used, she did sell out and now works for a corporation where they will tell her to work on songs that she's not a fan of or would never do on her own. Take a look at the first song Myth did together "Country Roads". Kiara has mentioned that she HATES that song with a passion but that management made the decision that was the song they were going to do so they did. I'm more Mori has been put in that same situation and she's hinted if not flat out stated that being part of a corporation has its disadvantages and that's one of them. She is a professional and so will work in the confines of the Corporate structure which means from time to time singing songs she doesn't want to, and then promoting them. To me that would seem to be "selling out" or at least how some would define that term. She also has the chance to make music that she really wants to and have that listened to by a much wider audience. Which is the upside to "selling out".
To be honest, the mainstream side of music is the place where no artists are without negative feedback. Calli has achieved what the most artists are craving for, by getting negative feedback THAT massive, she's already in mainstream side
"You know what they say: 'the more haters you got, the more people *love* you!' Wait, maybe... hold on, that's actually... actually I don't think that's true, that actually might be wrong, but... that means you're famous!" -the C-Man himself :D
Came here expecting yet another half-baked "Mori drama????" video, but this was great! You continually include the full footage of events you're referring to, and always portray all the competing perspectives respectfully and in good faith (more than I personally think 4chan trolls deserve). If you can keep up this level of quality with subjects you aren't as personally familiar with, then this is gonna be a fantastic channel to follow.
I still don't get how Calli can receive so much hate. Like she's done some things that deserve criticism, but so have most people. Reactions to her are so blown out of control it's ridiculous.
Success comes with ppl who wants to see you fall. Most of Calli's haters are either unloved simps or vtuber wannabes who can only dream of becoming as successful as her.
@@maicee7603 even as a regular listener to calli's songs I have to admit some of her singing don't really fit well with higher octaves i can understand the hate but they're taking it way too personally edit: before any more misunderstandings, i'm a closet deadbeats. i just skip over some of her songs when it autoplays
The hate is mostly envy. There's room for some criticism (much as some people can't tell the difference), because great as she is in many ways she's not perfect, but the haters? Very little to do with anything she's actually Done other than be successful.
Calli is a very hardworking person, sucks how much hate she gets when she's just doing stuff others are doing as well that gets a pass but for her it's a point of contention.
The people who hate her the most, are the indie ENvyTubers who only Tweets and causing drama in the English Vtuber sphere. The ones who either never or barely post any actual Vtuber content. Same people who will backstab anyone, even to their own mutuals & followers on Twitter.
@@YukitoOnline She gave them the advice they asked for but didn't want to hear. Them: "What should I do to advance my career as a VTuber?" Mori: "Create content and get better at your job, you only learn by doing and Vtubing is a skill like any other that you need to work on." Them: "And I took that personally." also "How dare you!" Then after the backlash from them being all pissy about her advice, she made a song where she made fun of them for being pissed about it. Which while funny as hell, and an enjoyable song, did nothing but toss gas on the fire.
I am constantly blown away by Mori's work ethic. She does so much for Hololive and still has time for her alter-ego that at times I have caught myself wondering if they are really two different people after all or if she has a twin😂 Also, about her "addictions" Mori has said that she is drinking alcohol a lot less these days in order to live a healthier lifestyle.
mori's work ethic is fucking inhuman. I swear she happens to have blood in her caffeine stream, because she can't sleep. She keeps her previous life runnning, streams as herself, releases music, used to work at applebitches, and still has the time to do collabs with stuff like trash taste. HOW DOES SHE FIND TIME TO SLEEP WTF
It's only from a fan-animation that I realized she's been knocking down on Bang Energy, one that's with like 5-times as much caff as coffee, and by far the only drink I knew she was drinking other than alcohol.
I put off watching this video for awhile because I was afraid of just hearing more hate for Calli. As someone who's been made fun of for my interests in the past, it's always hard for me to read her get so mercilessly torn apart by people who know nothing about her. She's a huge inspiration to me and I finally sat down and watched your video - and was so happy with what I saw. Thank you for your level-headed analysis. Subscribed!
Outstanding coverage. Love her or hate her, Calli is one of the hardest working talents in the industry and her success proves it. And for her detractors: the worst part of Vtuber culture isn't an outspoken white girl rapping with her heart on her sleeve; it's a bunch of entitled crybabies spewing hate & vitriol at someone bearing their soul while hiding behind a screen and keyboard that protect them from the the very same.
I rarely use the term "hater" to describe someone who hates someone/thing else... but Calli's detractors are pretty much just haters in the literal sense. Everything they dislike about her is subjective, based entirely on half truths or just straight up lies. It's rather impressive. And demented.
She tries to use addiction to control anyone who's a threat like the federal goddamn government. You are a whole fool willing to see past anything because you're horny, which itself pretty much describes every deadbeat.
@@ScoutOlson I'm pretty sure that on the scale of N word use, she's more on the "Rappin' For Jesus" end rather than the "Karen wants to say the N word, reeee". She doesn't come across as feeling entitled to say it and a lot of rappers have embraced her because of her flow style and rhyme scheme, which pays homage to some of the greats and does them justice. The woman's has earned her stripes and her freestyle's nasty in some of the best ways. I'm pretty sure that in the rap scene, she's earned the ability to say it, and even then, she doesn't say it often or directly to attack. It's about tone and how you come across. She tends to say it with due respect, for as I can recall. So I think that's why most people in the scene aren't bothered. G-Idle's Soyeon, for example, has been one of the few Korean rappers to say "Niga" and no one except chronic twitter users batted an eye, even before "niga" = you was wider known. Soyeon's earned her rep with her lyrics and flow. And again, was rather mindful even with the language difference. Long winded way to say: it seems like the rap scene gave them both their N-word passes. And neither has abused it, from the last time I'd checked.
@@Yunfarron78 i can’t speak for all of us, but i do know it’s general knowledge that someone who’s comfortable saying it has said it before in other contexts. that’s why people side eye someone who openly says it in this way, not because hearing a white mf say it in a song is offensive but because it suggests familiarity. we’ve lived our whole lives hearing it and being called it, it would be weird if we didn’t recognize specific connotations. i don’t think mori was going around throwing slurs, but for people who are confused as to why you’re seen as a weirdo for saying it in a song, that’s why. it’s not always the case, but it’s definitely common. there’s a lot of underlying context when it comes to racism that white people will never understand, they’re quick to decide and judge based on information that’s either missing or completely wrong. i don’t care what anyone uses in rap, and i think a lot of people feel the same way, we usually just overreact as a joke cause it is a little funny when people panic over something like that. we don’t dislike that word for fun it’s because seeing someone you care about being subjected to it or being called it yourself is a distressing experience. especially for kids. i think most people who have a very intense opinion have it because of that, they were children when they first experienced that flavor of racism. so don’t be trying to justify anything, people will think however they want to and if you truly believe what you’re saying you shouldn’t feel the need to defend it. she’s a grown adult i’m sure she was aware of the response she would inevitably get.
This is one of the more interesting controversies in the vtuber space, especially because she’s a corpo. What constitutes talent? Would her “alter-ego” be as popular if she wasn’t a vtuber? Should Cover be way more strict with their anti harassment policies? There’s a lot that calli brought to the space positively and negatively due to her popularity. Personally I don’t watch her as much as the other girls but she does work hard and that much is obvious regardless of what your opinions are on her music.
Those are really interesting questions! thanks for bringing this to the table. I also believe she works super hard so I was surprised when I saw some antis call her lazy. Kinda wild
Don’t really follow her or know much but if i were to learn everything about Calli this would be my same conclusion. Her music to me at least is just nails on a chalkboard and not my cup of tea. BUT I respect she does put in the time, effort & works hard for what she likes, her music.
I find it ironic how brad criticizes mori by saying shes just "an out of touch white girl who makes rap music" but hes... white? Like who are you to judge rap music then. Just so wild lol
Yeah, but you see, he's "not" out of touch because...nope, I've got nothing. It is pretty nuts how he doesn't understand the irony of making that statement. Maybe he thinks he likes better rap, so he has more authority on it. But like, so? Good for you I guess? lol
It's been a year... a whole year... and I still can't watch this part @7:42 without tearing up. End of a life is really one of Calli's best songs. I feel so bad for Calli that she feels so lonely sometimes. Where the friend that she still holds dear, even after the friends wronged her, calling Calli a sell out because Calli moved on into another way in her career, after the world went through sh*t. Rather going for Calli's throat out of envy, instead of being proud of Calli for grabbing this opportunity. I dislike that Calli would be blamed for Gura being at the party. Gura is a big girl guys, her model might not looks like it, but Gura is capable of making big girl decisions. As for Calli's work schedule it's rather insane, she really is putting everything in her music. As for us Deadbeats that do love her, we know that Calli dislikes to show sadness on streams, she really really tried to debut as this very cool/stoic character. Yet sometimes she would simply break, specially when it hits very close. When Kiara had to leave Japan, Kiara was also sharing her side of the story. The part I loved and sticked with me from Kiara's side of her story is that Calli off-screen actually acts uncharacteristic, when it comes to something/someone very close to Calli's heart, someone like Kiara. Calli had such a hard time letting go of Kiara at the airport, clinging onto Kiara like glue all the way to the airplane gates. Luckily over the years chipping away at Calli's view on herself, at least the way she though who she needed to be as a streamer/rapper, we're finally able to make Calli sure that it's ok to cry, that it's ok to be sad and that it's absolutely oke for Calli to take breaks if she is at her limits. I love Calli. P.s.: Yes I know about Calli's alt account, looks and name. Yet I don't care, I just love her whacky, funny and caring personality the most
That's what Calli said- You want a balances following? Then Start creating, STOP TWEETING! They're jealous but they only tweet about how someone else is bad (Mori is great ❤)
As an ex-alcoholic who's still struggling I would still beat her within an inch of her life for the Gura thing, yeah. Absolutely horrible person. You are an idiot, you're one of those idiots who keeps going along with the sociopath and gets a big surprise at the end. :/
The comparison of Brad Taste and Knox Hill in their opinions and reviews of Calliope's music is truly a prime example of someone who's short sighted in their enjoyment of music and one who loves music as a whole. When you can't look at a song that is put together in such a complex way and all you see is 'white girl rapping and trying to hard' it kind of shows the ignorance of the style of music being played. Its the same as when people hate rap and refuse to see the art of a lyricist's penmanship, or when someone listens to a ballad and not comprehend the emotions conveyed in the voice. Every true musician knows these nuances and understand what is happening even if they don't like the song/genre/artist.
Well. Some of her stuff is good. Some is flat. Mostly she's a lyricist over a musician. That isn't bad. But instead of finding a good songwriter she goes the way of production tricks. Again. That isn't bad. Perfectly valid way to do things. Especially now days. But I'm never going to listen to a Mori song and think, "Huh, what time signature is that in? Oh. That's kinda interesting, she's shortening every 2 a 16th note to give it velocity and setup an unsettling feeling.", or "Oh, that was a nice scale change for the chorus.". It's, "I guess that was an interesting sound effect fill to hide there isn't a transition into the chorus.". It's perfectly serviceable and not a wrong way to do it. But I'm not going to really appreciate her for anything other than the lyrical acrobatics. I will give her her due one thing musically. She has written a melody for all her songs. There's stuff in Top 40 land which isn't even that, there's some talentless hackery getting by on paying for a place on a Spotify playlist in the Top 10.
@@halycon404 fair enough, and it's not a bad thing to only like some songs we all have our tastes, I don't like some of her songs and that's fine. I think people are too absolute with like and dislike an artist. You don't have to like or hate every song.
imagine if people used " black person rapping". her lyrics are way better than most top 40 stuff as its got more depth or just fun than the rest. childish gambino stands out in the same way. so many others seem like carbon copies.
I mean plenty of musicians would critique the quality of her music, the messy flows, the poor mixes and these mistakes wouldn't be absolved on the basis that she is a popular personality. I am sure that Drake, J.Cole, Scarface and Big L put out songs they didn't want to revisit too but they also recognized as rappers, this is a space where music is heavily scrutinized as its an extension of the individual. Rap is an ego driven, personality driven genre of music and kid gloves are rarely used. I find it so corny that any critical discussion of either of her eras cannot be treated as valid discussion of quality in rap because she is a popular VTuber. The VTuber community baffles me in that so much is overlooked, forgiven, ignored and excused exclusively because you like someone. You can like a VTuber AND dislike their creative output.
@@elliottb7009 They are not, you and many VTuber fans make these broad statements about rap without having any real interest in the genre or knowing anything about the discographies of said Top 40 rappers. Doja Cat, Saweetie, Cardi B, Drake, Offset, 21 Savage, Coi Leray and many others would rap circles around Mori. She should just sharpen her pen and get better at flowing instead of her fanbase making excuses for her mediocrity.
I knew she faced some backlash and sh*t, especially in the early days, but… wooooww, imagine being so petty that you’d spend $100+ to insult someone you don’t even know 😅
@@revolvingworld2676 Imaging loses your shit so bad over the fact that Taiwan was a country that you forced a company to fire a bunch of chinese VTubers. Of course, some of the hate for Coco came from the Chinese branch of hololive, which is also insane.
@@technomancermagus8357 Chinese antis are the saddest people around. They're basically human bots: they write the same drivel, but behind the screen isn't some soulless algorhythm, but some Communist stooge who A: doesn't live in China and simps so hard for True Communism it may as well be his religion, or B: DOES live in China and lives in fear of disappointing Big Comrade and being sent to gulag.
Calli is amazing. It speaks to her strengh and unwavering will that she continues to work hard every day despite this unproportional amount of unwarranted hate she is receiving. From the start as her vtuber persona, she inspired thousands of people (including myself) to work hard and try to achieve dreams of our own. Yeah sure, she made some dumb mistakes in the past, most of them while she was still a teenager. Who of us wasn't problematic on the internet before? She has grown a lot since then. This was a fantastic video, thank you for making it.
The lyrics of her "six feet under" song make a lot of sense, especially with all this hate she gets. "There aren't second chances for me, nobody's likely to come back around [...] Was I the hero no one believed? Was I the villain after all?" These lyrics, just like all of Calli's lyrics, resonate deeply within me and that's why I love her so much. I really hope one day I can show my appreciation for her in a memorable and notable fashion.
Rima, this dense video essay is _justice_ I've added to this comment in a weird, rambly order. I'm also drunk: Thank you for your hardwork! Calli is and always has been one of my oshi's, in part because of her irreverence. I love it. There was a lot I learned in this video. Whilst a lot people are salty for various reasons, to various degrees, I just see a hololive Vtuber who has a relatable mood, particularly because she's a little older and jaded. I also love how she's, at least on some level, struggled to become an idol. The fact that the idol pretence was at odds with her, just made for great content. I actually think that's what makes a lot of hololive what it is. After all, it's the dichotomy between character and actor/actress that makes Vtubing so special to begin with. Everybody loves Sora, but if all idols were seiso, things would be less interesting. I'm not into her music. Hell, I'm not really into hololive music for the most part (Towa's cover of ERROR, Suisei's Stellar Stellar and Risu's Alice&U being some exceptions). Anyhow, with Calli and the rest, I see it in a similar way to supporting your friends' band or something. You may not listen to it in your own time, but you're happy to support them, whilst they're doing their best, doing something they love. I dunno, I never got into the whole hating Justin Bieber or whatever flavour of the month. Constantly hearing the same chart music can be grating but, it's the game you got to hate, not the player. Original comment: Man, I remember cringing at the Coco Meme Review with Calli. It was clearly not her kind of humour. I found 90% of the memes to be unfunny, but what made the show so great was the guest reactions. If they went along with the flow, then it was all good, great even. The fact that Calli didn't have it in her to humour the usual wide spread jokes-turned low effort visual memes was relatable, but damn it made for a difficult watch.
I get the impression that Calli's burned a number of bridges behind her, and she regrets it. That happens to some of us, and while she's been extremely successful and fulfilling all of her dreams, she's still unhappy and feels the pain about things she's done in the past.
@@stolas2393 I don't, and just go for the stuff that is entertaining. Their motives and "story" don't concern me in the slightest, unless it's something that is an actual crisis and will likely be life-affecting. Also, I'm very casual about all of this. I more often catch clips than streams, so I have avoided most of this other "drama." Getting caught up in Calli's "drama" is a choice, and I choose not to.
About the hate on her song and how people creates their own narrative to confirm it i have 2 examples: 1 - With her newest cover, Internet Yamero, the original creator of the song commented on the video saying how good the cover was and how it sounded like a official English ver. But you could see haters in the reply saying that "he was forced by contract" to leave that comment and that he didn't really mean it and thst the cover is "mediocre at best". It is really funny to see how much they create these lies and believe it themselves like it's 100% true. 2 - about the reacts with reviews about her song, another good example is a channel called "ROARTHERAPPER" that does deep analysys to her songs with videos that goes above 20 minutes of him talking line per line and shows how much knowledge and talent she have with rap. With proves even harder how Brad is a huge about of bias and jealousy when talking about her raps and singing skills
tbh the first point the cover really isn't that good compared to the original but it's better than any other indie tuber's cover just because the song is difficult to cover to begin with, let alone write translyrics for. i really don't think calli is that good at singing things outside her vocal range, or that the tracks she sings for do not suit her voice type. red for example was really good because it was made with her voice in mind and had a melody line that fit the way she raps (in which she puts a lot of emphasis on her consonants as opposed to her vowels). i think she definitely needs to study other forms of rap closer, and take some time to improve her singing via lessons, etc., because she has the passion and energy but the actual execution is not that great. not denying she doesn't already have a lot of knowledge, but i really do not enjoy her newer tracks and i do not think she picks songs that suit her voice. if other people can, more power to them, but i don't think people saying "this cover is not that great" is blind hating. making constant videos calling her stupid or saying "she said the n word 10 years ago!!" is blind hating though -- i agree with your second point. you can only get so far with practice. i really think she should pursue vocal coaching and listen to things outside of what she likes to improve her voice quality and maybe get back to what red established for her. i still think her cover of envy baby is one of her best, and it really sucks she just seems to have strayed so far from that point.
God, seeing Brad popped up some rather rage filled memories. I stumbled across his videos while looking for more music Calli's alter ego made, and i genuinely cant remember getting so pissed of watching some videos than i did there. I have explicit memories of him skipping over one of the collab songs with Watame for fear of "being branded a pedophile", and at one point he stopped the review because the songs were so mind numbing that he needed to put on some "real" music to recharge, said music using gunshots as the main beat.
Brad just has that pretentious know it all I'm not really an expert but i like to pretend to be energy... that makes you want to punch him in the FACE.
I love that calli sticks up for her friends, doesn't care what people say about her and when people go after said friends, she goes scorched earth on them. Its funny with the whole conner thing is that they are friends irl
Calli is as real as a vtuber can be imo. She's my 2nd favorite in myth, and all the controversy is just the dumbest shyte. Anti's are scum and should be gatekept at every turn.
@DarkEnigma1115 It's kind of a step above just a hater. They tend to let the object of their irrational vitriol live rent-free in their head and obsess over being angry. They harass and lash out and are often very hypocritical and nonsensical. A normal hate is just going dislike for some kind of contrarian points. An anti is obsessed and goes to extreemes.
@@DarkEnigma1115 Hater is somebody who if the person they hate is brought up will loudly tell you how much they hate them. They probably don't watch much or any of the content the person they hate produces and will get annoyed if it's playing in the background. They might know some superficial things that they say are the reasons they hate the person for doing so, but it's almost all based on what they've read from others. An anti will go out of their way to bring the person up, post about them on every social media, and go out of their way to convince others that they should hate the person. They also oddly consume a huge amount of that person's content just so they can find more things to bring up out of context to use against them. They also aren't above just making shit up like "X person got their friend Y sexually assaulted at a party!"
@@DarkEnigma1115 For the simplest answer: an anti is a DEDICATED hater. As much time as a fan, as much passion as a fan, but all hate instead of support.
If there is one moment that made me appreciate Calli as a caring person, is during her 3D showcase. Letting her ultra big senpais Boogey Voxx shine one last time alongside her, and even letting them take the stage for a bit too. Yeah.
I agree whole heartedly! Usually the 3D Showcase is centered entirely on the streamer and yet she put her time and resources into giving Boogey Vox a retirement sendoff. How gigachad is that? Personally, I don't think that she "sold out" or "burnt bridges" when she joined Hololive so much as she took advantage of a natural opportunity to further her career. (Is it selling out to take a better paying job?) The bridges weren't burnt by her so much as by the jealousy of some of her past peers as she has always been open to collabing with them (ie. Milky Queen, FAKETYPE, Deco*27, etc.) and even opened up access to the rest of Hololive for them. I can understand not liking her music as that is a personal aesthetic, but you have to give the woman props.
Nah Mori is a baller for everything she’s managed at her age. People seem to not realize she is a mid-late twenty year old girl. I’m 25, and I can’t tell you how often you just feel clueless in everyday life. Imagine that, but to her scale? That has to be god damn hard. Which is another reason people have to understand about her friendships with people like Connor. She was in JP isolated from many other wsternerns and that’s hella isolating. She undoubtedly loves her genmates, but there js something special about irl friends you can hang with and lean on. Hell, one of her best friends is MARRIED to one of the TT guys. Of course she wouldn’t just “cut them off” like some people expected. Anyway, what Connor said was entirely correct, just phrased badly(something mouse recognized and tried to walk him out of but ironically Connor didn’t notice his own verbal blunders, but hey out of context clips is the name of the game) Anyway, that’s all to say, there are few who are as hard working or deserving as Calli. Is she perfect? Nah, but that’s why she is cool and stands out from other HL vtubers, she is herself through and through, she doesn’t present an idealized GFE or such.
Everything girl touched turned gold for awhile. She's one of the biggest superchat users of all time and she regularly shuts that function down when she believes it excessive. She mentioned buying a recorder. It was asked where she said Amazon. Amazon sold out of recorders world wide for three days. She had an album that went number 1 in several countries on the hip hop charts and number 1 period in japan. She's had several EP's that have had top 10 debuts on the charts. Any time she releases a limited edition of anything it sells out. Hell she did a limited release tshirt that fans got a hint of and people figured out how to access the preorder site before it went live and it sold out before it opened. It's gotta be frustrating in a way. You spend years in the underground scene hustling and barely getting by. Then someone slaps your voice behind an anime avatar and you become one of the most successful artitst of the year? Imagine what that has to do to your self image. All the doubts that would have to create. The resentment. I think she's actually done a pretty good job of not being bitter about it. She's taken breaks now and then so she could do her own thing. And her new fame has spilled into the other and she's gotten recognition for her previous work after the fact but all the same it's gotta be hard.
A part of her success was due to her being one of the first members of the first Holoive EN branch. The other big part was definitely her insane talents she brought along to the Vtuber scene in general. I think that the biggest part of why she wasn't as successful as before is simply due to most people that watch and follow her now, weren't a part of her previous circle of fans of her music. That obviously changed after the debut simply due to the exposure and she's much more successful for it.
Also dealing with the resentment of past friends who were jealous of her success. It seems like the support she's received has been able to help her through it all, but I can imagine it'd be a bitch to deal with regardless.
@@WeskerUmbrella4 A big part of the reason she wasn't success is she didn't make good music AND she was a nobody. Once people have an attachment to your persona, bias will tint things HEAVILY. There are plenty of online personalities that make music bad enough to be considered a form of torture but they still sell millions because people just blindly support them at that point. That is ESPECIALLY true with Hololive which has a demographic of people that can get reeeaaally obsessively attached. Its not pure talent, its marketing & psychological influence (and then her working hard enough capitalize off it, not to be ignored)
@harryaudessis3869 1 million from 7yrs of hustling is not amazing dude. Commendable but doesn't put her anywhere near the top. top of the bottom maybe. I LIVE with someone that has managed to get a little more than 1 million views and they definitely live a very normal life. They not getting stopped in the streets by any means. Moreover, The vast, VAST majority of views & subscribers came post-debut. That's just fact. If it makes you feel better I can adjust to "nobody to A LOT of people (like, many many many)". And let's not forget that even in the beginning of Hololive EN, Calli would mention here & there that she was living that broke life. Another reason why she works so hard. Until just recently she HAD TO to survive
What's so weird is that there are like ahandfull or more V-tubers who have done controversial shit and yet all of them combined still don't have the amount of hate that Calli gets..... so effing weird.
Calli was a pioneer in the EN corporate V-tuber world, and is very popular. Most of the antis aren't V-tuber fans, so they won't know about the actually controversial, less well-known figures. It's the equivalent of hating Taylor Swift or Kanye West.
2 Things. The big problem is that Mori is an almost completely opposite time zone. 14 Hours difference or so. So it's not surprising she shows up tired or out of sort in some of the collabs. Also, 4Chan has kept pushing the idea that at the party Gura was sexually assaulted.... which she wasn't.
That whole thing with Gura was hilarious-it was a total nothingburger. The next day after the party thing, Calli and Gura were happily singing in a car on their way to the off-collab.
@@technomancermagus8357 Or they wanted something to happen to Gura so they could hear the story. Let's not act like Gura would be safe in a house filled with her more weirder fandom.
it really disgusts me how people wanted/expected gura to be sexually assaulted at the party. calli already said gura was fine and chilling alone in her room but of course weirdos were like noooo something must have happened to her. they are adults, they know how to take care of themselves. this isn't some hentai anime where you can't be in an area with the opposite sex without something happening.
Most of these are so dumb, the Gura in danger rumor is the one that was so stupid and both Deadbeats and Chumbuds made the YT comments just embarrassing. They are both adult women, it is none of our business, and everyone tries to exaggerate a situation that they had no idea about anything but what Calli mentioned.
The thing that people attacking or defending Mori BOTH always leave out (and even this video missed) is that Calli offered to pay for a completely different place for Gura to stay. Gura turned her down - she felt safe enough in that house to stay there.
@@TheCalvdog I remember Calli saying that. I doubt it was about money or anything but more about they just drove all day and were tired maybe. Gura probably didn't want to go by herself to a hotel in LA in the middle of the night. Traffic would probably take at least 30 to 45 mins. However like I said it all worked out and it isn't anyone else's business.
Incredibly good video. Never heard of that Brad guy before, but I think you essentially nailed the point down about how he seems to just basically be someone unwilling to try to understand what he has a bias against. Like the fact that he says "fake white wannabe rapper", then looking at him, it just feels so ironic from the get go, it is just so odd he would say that, and mean it to be a serious criticism that I can't wrap my head around it at all from how outrageous he sounds. Here's to hoping he and her anti's can come to an understanding where, you don't have to shit on something you don't agree with if it doesn't pertain to you.
The problem that I have with Brad isn't even that he doesn't bother looking into Calli's background and the culture surrounding her; it's that he has built a large portion of his OWN fanbase around how much he thinks she's a culture vulture when he has no skills of his own to back up any of his claims. He has no professional experience creating music, much less attempting to understand the artist behind the songs he reviews, and he has the audacity to claim that anything he doesn't like is just cut and dried corpotrash. If we put any of his arguments against Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement, we see that they all fall under "name calling", "ad hominem (addressing characteristics of the opposition without addressing the argument itself)", "responding to tone", and "contradiction (providing arguments with little to no supporting evidence)".
By "professional experience", let me give you a couple examples of people with such experience. Knox Hill, for instance, is a very accomplished artist who understands how the composition of a song is an extremely complex task as well as how difficult it is to make bars flow together. And a lot of those lyrics are in a language he likely doesn't even speak! Scru Face Jean (another person who has reviewed Calli's work) is also a fellow rapper who understands such intricacies, and he has had nothing but respect for Calli, both within her Reaper persona and without. Brad has exactly none of these under his belt, and has spoken on neither the composition, nor the lyrics and their meanings. He has given zero thought to ANY of his reviews of Calli's work, and that is what disgusts me about him.
The irony of people whining that someone "is fake" because they: Don't bullshit Don't ignore the haters Don't pretend they're perfect Don't hide their feelings and most of all Don't embrace idol culture I don't think these people understand what fake means. She's genuine to a fault, in an industry that's framed around playing a part for your audience. I find the part about vtuber and idol culture where they're supposed to avoid men and act innocent so that their entire audience can pretend to have some kind of creepy parasocial relationship with them to be incredibly distasteful, and anyone who faults a vtuber for not playing to that is not helping their own case.
Speaking on the BradTaste situation, I've watched a lot of his videos before, but his ones on Mori and DDK in particular are what drove me away. It was clear to me that he had little to no experience as a musician, so he was criticizing Mori and DDK solely off of his opinion. Now usually I'd be fine with this. I like hearing genuine criticism of things, even those I enjoy personally. However, Brad's opinions basically came down to him seemingly hating the anime community, J-Pop and other similar genres, and VTubers, simply because he doesn't understand them in the slightest. He gives off the vibes of "I don't understand it, therefore I don't like it," but while also not even attempting to try to understand it. The clip in this video of him talking to his friend about the designs really nailed that home for me. The friend talking about how the VTuber models are designed by big names in the manga industry is a huge deal and a big achievement, and Brad kind of just looked at it like "ew, corporate." It's like he only has two criticisms, being that it's corporate and even remotely related to anime. It's fine to not like this stuff, but to completely disregard the achievements someone has made because of your complete lack of understanding, even after multiple streams and videos, even after having a fan try to explain it to you, it just shows that, at least on this topic, Brad is extremely close minded and not even willing to really have a genuine conversation about the topic and why people like it because "haha, Japanese anime corporate cringe White girl." I also have to give Brad partial blame for the harassment Mori faced as part of the old lyrics of a song she denounced and deleted. Why is this? Well, Brad covered DDK's music on stream, and one of the lyrics has, from what I saw when I still watched him, became a huge meme on his channel, further propelling it into the public eye. Is he solely to blame, absolutely not, but he did play a big role in that side of the Anti hate.
It’s a pretty standard business practice for smaller content creators. Start a beef with someone who’s more successful than you in order to get attention and hopefully build your brand. Because I can guarantee you that far more people found out about Brad from his beef with Callie than the other way around
I don’t watch her or any hololive streamer but being in the vtubing community its impossible to not hear about all that hate mori receives. Thank you for taking your time talking about this!
I remember a time (pre-EN2) when you could be in a random 100-200 viewers stream and Mori would appear with words of encouragement. That's how I knew she was awesome
I'm a fan of both Mori and her 'alter ego' music, but as being a fan of both I DON'T like all of their songs and even the songs I do like I can have criticism for but still enjoy. I listened to both of them from the beginnings to their newest releases, and if others did the same you'd see the MASSIVE improvement in both singing, rapping, the experimental stuff becoming more polished, and from Mori specifically being much more honest and quickly getting rid of trying to be the cute kawaii anime girl vtuber that she's not, and started being herself in streams, collabs, and her own music. It ain't that hard bros
As someone who's been a fan of her music even before Hololive it's been an absolute treat seeing her hone her craft and growing higher and mightier than before. And while there certainly are songs that deserve their critical claims, I think she is very much aware and always striving to improve on them.
Jigoku 6 was her experimenting with new styles. she even acknowledged that Left for Dead Lullaby was everyones fan favorite. Her future songs might be like LFDL.
When Calliope first debuted I wasn't really a fan of her music. I did become a fan when she started singing more instead of it just being rap. She is awesome and she does not deserve all of this hate.
@@featherinescat I have heard people say that, and I think it's funny, because to me, LFDL was my least favorite song on the track. Maybe even my least favorite song she has ever put out. I listened to it twice in a row because I couldn't believe that I could dislike a song she made THAT much. I love a lot of Callie's music, and there are others that I am just "meh" about, but that was the first song I heard of hers I actually disliked. So, I think it is really interesting how many people like it. Six Feet Under and Black Sheep are currently my favorite Callie songs ever, and 虚像のCarousel and Future Island are pretty good too, so Jigoku6 is overall still a great album to me.
Love her or hate her, Calli honestly deserves her success. She used to juggle other odd jobs while streaming. She can sing, rap, write songs, perform, entertain, illustrate, animate & speak a second language. Her grind is insane, sometimes I wonder if she overworked herself but regardless I respect how hardworking she is
Calli was my first red brick. Her first minecraft collab she had no fucking clue and it was so real. Also got to meet her irl at a 22 con and she fucking actually remembered me (gave way too much in 21-22 lol). Peak. I've always wondered if there's a correlation between her Kiara having the highest EN dono rakes and having the least "secret" irl presences. Is the parasocial illusion greater?
The vtuber genre doesn't hinge as strongly on parasocial illusions as many people think. Calli and half the indie scene are more than enough proof of that. It's not rocket science: make good content, be positive, keep at it, and you reap the rewards.
@@rikterterran3833 thats a good point, i remember sending Gura some red bricks early she never read, still love her but yea never picked her up as oshi. TK and Calli do grind
I've been a fan of Calli since before she was in HoloLive. She is hands down the hardest working person I have ever seen or heard of. She is also a painfully honest person who tries to share everything with her fans, often unfiltered and raw. Way too many vtuber fans are way too sensitive and protective about the idea of being a idol. It's not unique to Japan either. If there's one thing fans on the internet hate is honesty, and Calli does not shy away from sharing intimate details of her life and how she feels about things. Having an opinion is just about the worst you can do these days. Calli has also dealt with a lot of shit from former friends and especially members of the underground music scene who see her success as being a sell out or betrying them and the scene. Its all sourgrapes and bullshit but it adds to the choir of hate Calli has to put up with. But Calli has definitely helped the underground scene, promoting creators, arranging work and collabs for her griends, and she even used half the time of her 3D showcase to throw a going away concert for her friends who were retiring from the music scene. Thats not the actions of someone who's sold out or forgotten her roots. I have a ton of respect for her in a lot of ways, even if I'm not a paying deadbeat or watch all of her streams. She worked hard and sacrificed to grt where she is at, which is a common story for siccesful entertainers, let alone vtubers.
She’s funny, BEAUTIFUL and she’s talented!! I admire how she keeps going despite all the negativity she gets that she doesn’t deserve!! She’s strong and she knows that she has friends and fans who support her and love what she does and I believe that it helps her to keep going and create that unique music that we have grown to love and I hope she knows how much we love and respect her for it ❤❤❤
Mori Calliope has the ability to persevere in the face of challenges is truly inspiring. Despite encountering a significant amount of criticism, she continue to overcome obstacles and create captivating content that brightens our days. Her talent, unwavering dedication, and the authenticity her infuse into her work serve as a constant source of motivation for us. Mori Calliope has been a guiding light during challenging times. Through her valuable life advice and engaging streams, she has made a profound impact on me. Her wisdom and content have been a source of solace and inspiration, helping me navigate difficult moments with greater strength and clarity. This is why she will forever hold a special place in my heart as my Kami-Oshi, my ultimate inspiration.
Thanks a lot for this very deep dive into Calli and the many facets of her hatedom. I think that, while there might be a grain of truth to some of the complaints about her (like oversleeping streams or not being very active during collabs), most of it can be chalked up to her unhealthy workaholic lifestyle attempting to juggle streaming, two separate music careers, keeping up with what her coworkers are doing, and all the administrative stuff that comes with being part of hololive (and early on, which is when most of these poor first impressions of her firmly established themselves, she *also* was holding a full-time job on top of all that!) Claims that she is lazy or that she doesn't care about her coworkers in hololive are clearly very far removed from the truth, but sadly people tend to ignore the good while overemphasizing the bad and spinning their own narrative instead of looking at the bigger picture. I really hope Calli can keep on keeping on despite all this. From the content of many of her songs, it is clear that she struggles with mental health issues, including depression. She tries to spin an image of herself as a badass who laughs at her haters, but she's clearly more affected by the negative comments than she claims to be, because if she *really* didn't care, she just wouldn't respond to them. In a cruel twist of irony, the track that umru (the guy who ended up disowning his work with her and blocking her) produced was specifically one where she revealed her vulnerable side, her struggles with impostor syndrome, and the pain she goes through. She's the only content creator I can think of who has at least three separate hatedoms that all blast her for different reasons - the normie crowd (like Brad) who just don't like her music and think dunking on her is the new cool thing to do, the vtweeter crowd that got salty after she told them to "start creating, stop tweeting" and now sees her as a fascist, racist, and every other _ist under the sun, *and* the 4chan unicorn crowd who hate her for not being "idol-ish" enough + the Connor thing. It's just so much hate from so many different angles. I can barely imagine how she even keeps going under such pressure.
Really good summary. One thing about your third paragraph, if the "normie crowd" you're referring to includes shonen fans and hip-hop/rap fans, then I gotta tell ya: they also believe that Calli is racist.
@@rikterterran3833 God I hate this shit. I know that her use of the no no word early on doesn't paint a flattering picture (even though I'm pretty sure she used it ironically), but so many people keep saying that the lyrics of her songs are also racist, even though it should be painfully obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that she is only disrespectful towards fake-ass soundcloud clowns and not the genuine rap culture.
I don't wander into the dregs of online culture, but it seems to me that Mori's antis are just jealous that she found the success and notoriety that they could only dream of. Except instead of using her as an inspiration for them to do something with their lives, they stay in the circle-jerk slime of redit because they are too afraid or too talentless to find that kind of success for themselves. I'm sure her job at Hololive, while a good place to be, is just another step in her rising career. I celebrate her had work and enjoy the time she gives us in shared experiences.
Those are the people Who reject evolvin and just be jealous people and With pure anger and hatred Litterally trash May they had a bad child or something But its so sad
Yep, you nailed it. I stay away from a lot of online "discourse" because it's very much so reddit circle jerking on any given social media site, and if you dare to have a contrary opinion they spew their bile at you too. (funny that these same people often complain as to why they can't find significant others, etc, when their primary hobby is sitting around stewing in their own hatred constantly)
You know, I personally think these antis sport a "If I can't be famous, nobody can" mentality, and go out of their way in an attempt to ruin the lives of those who ARE famous. But at the end of the day, antis are just a hateful breed of scum that breed in dark corners of the internet. Typically Reddit and 4chan.
Ah. I see Calli as an "interesting case" in a bit different aspect, in that from that point on, the "Western fans" -- who had a bit of a good reputation as being "not as parasocial or toxic as Japanese idol otaku fans" ... showed the "true face," so to speak. While the indie scene was continuously growing ever since Kizuna Ai, still, up to that point the "Vtubers of the West" weren't in such a red-ocean situation as it is nowadays, and the general level of interest and reach of its popularity was still quite limited. In other words, most people didn't really understand what "Vtubers" were in the first place, had no knowledge about them, and those who did know about them and became fans had still a superficial understanding of what it requires to be one. Particularly cringey, were the assumptions that because Holo girls were "corporate" that they got like unlimited financial backing from the company, and the money power of Hololive would just automatically ensure success. These notions were thrown around from a lot of indie Vtubers back than -- to the ire of a lot of the fans who understood that being a Hololive talent was an insanely labor-intense job which required a very strict level of self control, discipline and professionalism. But despite the backlash, some sections of the fans, and some of the indies, continuously tried to push the "corporate vs indie" narrative and tried to slander hololive every chance they got. Of course, these days a lot of such sentiment has died down, but back then, due to the fact that the MYTH girls were the ones who really blew the doors wide open, it was only natural much of the attention -- as well as misguided toxic hate -- was focused around them. Anyone still would like to dis her for "having it easy" I welcome them to prove their point. Calli, moved to a different country, acquired a work visa and worked as part-time English teacher, made her own living in an unfamiliar land, learned the language, before she was picked up in hololive so I'd expect at the least that amount of effort from. (Although I have my doubts)
The more you hear from Calli's antis the more you realize there's quite a big intersection between them, and the uglier often more sexist parts of vtuber fandom.
@mustardstain True. They even tried to say she is culture appropriating, when she lives in Japan and speaks fluent Japanese. They even had to snoop into her past and find her saying some "offensive" stuff. Anything she does, they attack.
I never knew she was facing so much controversy. I only know of her other persona after seeing her on TT. Im gonna go sub to her now and start watching her contents to support her.
As someone who has started to join the Vtuber community and will eventually stream using a Vtuber model, I see myself in Calli. We are both rebellious and are not afraid to speak our minds. It saddens me that people constantly harass her because she genuinely seems nice and doesn't fit the "norm." It reminded me of myself in middle school being an alternative back in 2017-2019 (which I still am); people constantly bullying me while dealing with my mental health struggles only reminded me even more of her. Honestly, she inspires me to say fuck it and start streaming and being another tuber to break the "norm." Love the video, it made me listen to her music, and I fucking LOVE IT. Screw the haters live your life the way you want!
Thank you for making this video. I hope that all those anti who finds this video and watch it will change their mind about Mori. They don't have to start liking her music because it is already a subjective topic, and everyone's taste is different. Still, she's only just a person who struggles to find her happiness and be successful in what she likes to do. Is that ever a crime, a sin, or a wrong thing to do? Of course, haters gonna hate, but we can all change for the better, at least that's what I hope for.
I only got to know Mori from her relationship with Kobo as her Dad-uncle. She's seems like a wholesome and cool person, so I don't understand why people would hate her. She even avoid curse words whenever she's with Kobo, so I really respect her. She's great and I i hope she'll focus on the great things in her life and not be affected by all of the negative comments.
If there's one thing I love about Mori is the amount of BS she's not willing to take and I respect that. The idol industry can be a cruel mistress and idol stans can be next level psychotic. I think standing your ground against that type toxicity, whether it come from your fans or antis, and still coming out on top is definitely something I respect. She's not a child, she's not a toy to be played with, she's not a possession, she's a real person and she makes sure people are reminded of that.
The haters that try to bring down Calli are basically coping right now I love Calli's headstrong attitude and soft heart towards others she love and her songs are a banger, she does not give a F for the haters and they got mad when she made the song specifically calling out to those haters🔥❤️❤️ This is why Calli is my Oshi in EN❤️🔥
I don't understand how people can hate her. Everyone has had problems and issues, but overall she has so much heart that I don't see how you can't have at least some level of respect for it. The only way I can comprehend it is when I think back on some of the irony-poisoned hateful young men I knew growing up, and in their case it is 💯 cope at seeing someone like her with real emotion. I wasn't even the hugest fan of her music at first but holy shit did it grow on me.
Thank you Rima for this video. It has earned you a sub. One of the first aspects of Mori I noticed was her openness regarding her flaws. Traditionally, an idol is supposed to uphold the veneer of perfection, but Calli simply did not do this. Her willingness to embrace her foibles and allow them to become as much a part of the Mori Calliope persona as herself, it was certainly going against the grain, violating a strict taboo in the idol community. Funnily enough, another one of Connor's controversial comments regarding the vtuber community (how they can be utterly psychotic at times in how they handle things) turned out to be prophetic regarding Mori's detractors. Although at the time I'm pretty sure he was saying that the community's clingy obsessiveness was what made them crazy, it is a scientific fact that the love of a vtuber community can be just as caustic and poisonous as their hate. This may not be the place to say this, but my blood's up a little after watching the vid, so I'm gonna lay my feelings bare. The whole "racist accusation" thing is the stupidest nonsense ever. I mean...who hasn't been accused of doin' a racism on the Xitters at some point? It has become a cultural rite of passage at this point. At the end of it all though, while Calli's controversies and missteps cannot be erased, it makes her one of the most real, one of the most genuine vtubers I follow, because it reminds me that behind the screen and the model, there's a real person there, a living, breathing soul with hopes, loves, dreams, doubts, smiles, and tears. She's real just like us, and her successes and failures are there for us to see. It's why I respect her. It's why I love her. Because she shows us that there's really someone there. To top it off, Mori gave us Mythbreakers, and I will never allow such a creation to be forgotten. Like her, it wasn't a squeaky clean project, but it came from a place of genuine passion, and I heard that in her voice every time she DM'd for the group. Sorry if this came off sappy or simpy, Rima. Your vid did what few others can do: it stirred some emotions in this old, bitter husk of a mortal shell.
She had phase when she took part in multiple collabs where she either whispered to a $2 microphone, or barely even talked at all. I don't think that it's outrageous that somebody would call her lazy over that. The streams were just awkward to watch, especially when people were checking with her, whether she was even still there.
@@kaminekoch.7465then when she spoke up, ppl will say she is overpowering the other vtuber and taking control over the conversation. Let be honest, anti spout too many retarded trash
@@kaminekoch.7465Was it laziness or was it just initial awkwardness at streaming though? She might’ve just been not that good at streaming at that point (I personally feel like she improved a lot since the beginning)
She really shouldn't get the hate that she's getting. All she's doing is working hard, trying to be successful as an artist, and using her platform to achieve success. It's what anyone else would do! It isn't like she's doing anything shady.
I don't see anything beyond a casual friendship between Calli and CdawgVA. The closest thing I've seen to a romantic relationship from Connor is with Ironmouse, and both of them insist they're just good friends, which I choose to believe. Gura is an adult, who doesn't need protection. If Gura considers it safe enough, then anything that happens later is on Gura herself. Did Calli make a mistake? Yes, but was it critical? No. Her rapping should be a matter of taste. I like it, but you don't have to. If she was appropriating Japanese culture, Hololive wouldn't have accepted her. As for "Black" music, there are several examples of accepted white rappers, and I don't see why she is different.
The thing is that to most Asians "cultural appropriation" isn't a thing. We see it as "oh you like us and our culture? That's nice. Go wear and use our shxt, we insist." It's the "getting ours and other Asian cultures mixed up" part that's annoying to us. I'm ethnic Chinese, and the amount of times I've been asked "do you know karate?" was so annoying. At least say KungFu or something bruh.
Gotta love how she just destroys everything the antis made up around her stuff. Touch grass, kids. Calli just keeps getting higher thanks to the fuel these "fans" gave her. She knows what she's doing, and if she doesn't, she's got amazing ppl behind her, family and friends and staff.
"If you superchat me money and attack my friends or anyone else, I'm going to go to their stream and give it to them." Just point blank pull no punches attitude. LOVE IT. By the way the day I care about the opinions of Twitter or Reddit freaks, is the day I I check myself into an insane asylum.
Haven't seen your channel before so I was a bit worried this was some hate video, glad it isn't! Such a nice overview too for someone who wasn't there for the whole ride.
You see the differences between knox and brad is that the first is actually an artist, the second is just a clout chaser. On another note i really love calli's songs, especially the chilled ones like end of a life i think she really shines with her soft voice.
The outtakes are funny! I love Calli and she is the one that made me follow every Hololive member! It's sad to see your oshi getting hate but like her I don't care anymore! The numbers in views ,Spotify streams and the popularity speak more than the haters. Great job at these documentary series! SUBSCRIBED AND LIKED!
Probably one of the best breakdowns of events surrounding a vtuber I've seen. I'm already familiar with most of it but you provided so much context for people that wouldn't have seen any of it. Awesome job! The music review juxtaposition was well done. Pretty frustrating when people are critical of something but can't articulate beyond "this is bad i dont like" and they're supposed to be a critic or reviewer.
Thank you so much for making this, I’m a new Mori fan and this is all so heartbreaking to see. She makes incredible music and works extremely hard, as do her genmates and other hololive members as well. It really sucks seeing ppl who are jealous of Mori’s talent take advantage of her open nature to take shots at her when they just are angry ppl that need a target to punch. I can’t even imagine the mental pressure this has put her thru and still pushing thru it all while producing banger after banger is an incomprehensibly impressive achievement Now I’m going to support her 3x as hard ❤
This is a good video. I remember being recommended one of Brad's music review streams. As a fan of all of Calli's music, it made me physically ill to listen to his rambling, so I immediately down-voted the stream and prevented YT from recommending me his channel again. I had no idea he reacted to all of her discography.
I also got recommended some of his videos, mostly the "good songs with bad hooks" and "bad songs with good hooks" videos, I watched them and had no ill intent, he seemed like an alright guy. I haven't watched the other videos in question just because I don't want to feel extreme ill and cringe on his reactions. I have no ill will on the guy but he does need to control his fanbase sometimes tbh.
@@AshleighStent He tries. He released a video and statement telling his fans not to go after Calli, and inviting such bad actors to leave and never come back.
My first contact with him was a react of Suisei First Take video and he saying how bad she singed and how cringe Stellar Stellar is. That moment I knew that he is just a wall of bias and just want to criticize things he doesn't like without giving a real try. So I just put his channel on block and moved on with my life
Yeah me too. He is a freaking loser. I don't know how I got recommended his crops, but I listened to the Calli videos. I was hoping he would eventually say something good about Calli, but never did. I wish I had my time I wasted on watching his stuff back.
I haven't even heard of the guy until now but just one look at him the moment he popped up in this video and I immediately understood he's just a pretentious douche obviously jealous of another person's success. Didn't even need to hear him speak, he legit looks like he's high on something with that lazy eyed stare of his or whatever one calls it.
something i've noticed within corpo vtuber fandoms in particular is that once a vtuber says or does something that antis don't like (not even necessarily something bad), then every single other action that vtuber takes or things that vtuber says from that point onwards gets put under a magnifying glass by those antis as proof of how terrible they are. no matter how stupid or insane that proof would sound to an outsider.
I have to say, i rarely watch drama and such, as i don't really care about those things but you are doing a ggood job researching things. You also seem like a genuily kind person.
I remember Calli was talking with a band (I don't fallow music so I don't remember which) and she plugged Ollie to them cause she knew she was a big fan of there's. That's who Calli is.
I see so much of the "drama" and controversies that arise, not just around Calli, but in all of VTubing because its just a bunch of immature children not having the life experience to deal with situations appropriately. I'm 35 years old, I have a full-time job and bills to pay. I don't have the time or patience to go on Twitter or Reddit and complain about some perceived slight made by an online personality. The vast majority of Calli's "controversies" were made FOR her, not because of her. They were turned into problems because VTuber fans are typically young, have social anxiety/anti-social issues, don't interact with people on a usual day-to-day basis and rarely detach from the Internet, thus they don't have the skills or reasoning to diffuse situations most adults have learned to do. Because let's face it, these "controversies" are incredibly childish nonsense that would have never happened if these people logged off and touched grass some more. And as mean as that may sound, the truth hurts sometimes and its part of growing up. And more VTuber fans need to learn that lesson and stop harassing others.
This is the longest explanation that I ever watch and LOST track of time, You were speaking as clearly and slow as possible and I truly appreciate that, I’m ADHD so I lose track easily but I was more then able to follow along with what You say. Honestly, from the bottom of my heart as a “Inspired poppyseed” Thank You ❤❤
Calli is more of an acquired taste for me, but what I admire from her aside from her work ethic is her loyalty to her friends. She will stand by them, defend them and die on that hill. People have no business "filtering" thise who she wants to be friends with. You try to mess with her and her friends, you get the scythe.
Agreed. I've liked and have watched some of her streams, but I don't follow her a lot, and I have little to no interest in her music, but I've always admired Calli for her hard work and her loyalty, which are things you don't always see nowadays, but I do feel are important. #1 Dad for sure.
People who accuse her of "acting black" have to have grown up in an environment where they didn't know any white people who liked rap (where I grew up was racially diverse and rap was what almost everybody was into, and Calli reminds me of someone who was really really into it) People who accuse her of "acting Japanese" must either think real Japanese people act like anime characters or expect living in *and being a moderate celebrity in* a country not to rub off on her. And even then Calli is still the most stereotypically American talent in HoloEN by far, a lot of what people don't like about her is that.
On multiple occasions I've seen Calli bumper/window stickers on cars, just driving around. Like, if anything is a sign of superlative success, that's gotta count.
Great job on the video, I appreciate how much research you clearly did for it. The positions of the antis you brought up are so funny to me because most of them are somehow exactly the opposite of how things are. -Calling a woman who thinks a single day off streaming to rest her voice is going to be enough of a "break" lazy is puzzling. -Claiming Calli, who is often barely comfortable with sexual humor, is going to corrupt of all people IRyS, who is constantly making sexual humor, is absurd. -Saying she doesn't care for her fellow vtubers is downright false. Out of everyone, she's the one I most often see praising or promoting the others. Often absolutely out of nowhere too. And like you pointed out, she will publicly stick up for the others whenever anyone comes after them, even in cases where it's clear if she does so it'll come at some kind of cost for her.
I seriously could not understand why people dislike(d) Mori so much so this video really helped me... understand? I mean frankly I still don't "understand" but I do at least know people's "reasoning" however poor/stupid I find it. I'm glad Calli is still doing stuff, if not for her banger music I wouldn't have even found the Vtuber community - imo that makes her as "real" of an idol as any of the other members. (Also, what Connor said wasn't even that bad lmao, he wasn't implying anyone in hololive didn't WORK to get into hololive, just that if they did manage to get in, they'd be set up for some form of major success which is true?)
I'm not into V-Tubers, but making a song for One Piece? Even if it's not for the anime, that's a huge success story. They don't choose just anyone for that, you know? I also agree with the handful of takes I hear from her (especially about V-Tweeters), and think she has a nice singing voice, and a nice voice in general. People who think she's carried by the hololive branding don't understand what it takes to even get to that point.
more than anything you just respect her grind. i dont listen to her music that much, but keeping a good streaming schedule with her own stuff behind the scenes, she deserves all her success. so many hololive talents adore her work ethics above all, too. we respect our dorky grim reaper. oh and its gigg UK btw
If there's one constant about the internet, it's that there will always be a collection of truly disturbed people who make it their entire life's work to hate someone, or something. And posting mouth frothingly insane things on the internet about it is the only thing that gives them a sense of purpose and self worth.
Calli, Myth, and Hololive as a whole has actually improved my quality of life, motivating me in a way I had never felt before. I wouldnt be as active online as I am now were it not for Hololive. Calli's music spurs me to self-improvement and I am forever grateful for that. I was present for (and aware of) nearly all events in this video; as for the antis, I simply cannot understand them. In my experience if you hate something for long enough it becomes exhausting.
Calli is one of my biggest inspirations and a lot of it is due to how strong she is. She’s gone through so much and she’s still standing, even stronger than before. She’s my oshi through and through
I never understood this idea of idols and VT being this pure entity that should be untouchable and perfect. They are humans and are subjected to the same impulses and failures as anyone. But if you push through the failures, success is just around the corner. I think Mori is a fine example of that.
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Just wanted to say that I appreciate you sitting through my content even though you found it hard to do. I respect how you sited moments in streams and videos in a way that didn’t feel rude or disrespectful, and I accept that you do have some valid criticisms towards my content
I am glad this vid is doing well for you, and I wish you the best with what you’re doing, because you clearly care deeply about it, and I respect it.
Also your character looks amazing
Oh Brad Redemption Arc ?! 👀
Jokes aside. Thank you & I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment on my video!
Oh hey I found the video
@@rimaevenstar In fairness to Brad, while he doesn't like Calli's music, he at the very least completely laughed off the whole Twitter crowd calling her racist over a joke, and I can respect him for taking that stance
I'm glad you're at least self aware of your own faults, dude. I can respect someone who acknowledges such.
Full disclaimer, I am the one who told Rima about your reviews (I helped her source a bit of information for this video), and if it came off as rude in any sense then it was likely my fault.
Calli's music is incredibly special to me, and I may have let it cloud my view of you before. If it showed up in Rima's speech, that is probably my fault and I apologize for that.
I hope you continue to be as reasonable as you have been.
Someone saying that calli is corrupting Irys because they had tea together might be the funniest thing i ever heard someone criticizing her for💀.
Pretty sure she already had Yabairys as a nickname by then also which just makes it funnier
For me Calli is just like coconut, she's hard on the outside but soft on the inside, she's just as tsundere like Kronii. While IRyS is constantly doing some yabai stuff without even trying which is truly hilarious (ex: mermaid pose 😂).
If anything, I think it's IRyS corrupting calli 😆😆😆
Remember, yabaIRyS is defaultRyS
@@bashamd96 Was about to say this... if anything it would be Irys corrupting Dad =P
No Seiso member in hololive. Everyone must be bottom left (well...except Sora i guess)
It's not that Calli is actually "controversial" it's that social media and the people on the internet have become completely deranged. Calli is a hardworking woman that knew how to best use the rare opportunities that where presented to her. Lady Death has my approval and may she continue to prosper. And hopefully not die either from alcohol poisoning to a stroke due to copious caffeine consumption.
Unfortunately we live in a world where basically everything You say is easily torn apart by the mass of hosts of individuals that just DON'T know how to see what is ACTUALLY being said or felt or etc. I can look at most of what Calli is saying in here and know pretty quickly that what she's trying to say is very different from what people are claiming in those texts. I know that some of these people are just extremely overly dramatizing what's actually happening. Calli says one thing and I and most other people understand what she means. but then a handful of just vindictive, hateful, and spiteful individuals wanna see everything as something bad. Unfortunately we have to deal with a lot of these people that just don't THINK about what is being said or how it's intended. They just wanna quickly assume what they THINK is actually means and that's where the assumptions and conspiracy comes from. most of these controverses just seem like Misdirection. Like all Calli really did wrong at all is just react poorly and make little mistakes. as a result it was just received badly and then escalated much worse by people Blowing it out of proportion and creating their own Narratives. I've been doxed multiple times and experiences issues like this before so I understand very well what it's like to be misunderstood and how badly people can try to twist what You say. You make the tiniest mistake or the smallest slip up and a arsenal of perpetual pigeons are waiting to flock right ontop of your mistake and make it as worse as they possibly can just to ruin you for any reason they can. That's why You just gotta be stronger and smarter and learn how to deal with these things. people can't be controlled all You can do is control how you react and what You say and do and etc
Calli is ironically *'a strong, successful Woman'* so all these mentally challenged SJW clowns should worship her.
But since she is not bowing down to anyone, especially not to the virtue signaling crowd, of course those being part of this mob mostly hate her.
@neafromdbd3869what about it?
I remember a time when the internet was more about positivity than negativity. That what I really miss from these days.
@@Skottomania So you condone it?
To be honest I never saw Calli as someone mean, just as someone with no filter. She says what's on her mind, usually not caring what others will think, and to be honest, it's something I really admire!
Some of the hate on her is really stupid, for example "said no when kiara asked if she had seen her mv" what's the problem with saying no?? That's so pathetic
Which is what always makes me laugh when people call her "Fake". If she was willing to self-censor more, and not speak her mind she would have had an easier time... but also not have been real.
@@technomancermagus8357
She has tried to self censor herself recently…to various levels of success.
But her trying to censor herself and failing is almost as hilarious as Fuwamoco trying to bleep out curses in typing of the dead.
What’s funnier is it’s a known fact that Calli is one of the most supportive member of hololive constantly being seen being in other people streams
@@Zeronigel332 The Mori moment that still hits me in the feels is this one...
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Seriously, Mori went out of her way when she had a moment to shine to talk up Ollie to a band she was collaborating with.
Has no filter, true. But she's not really mean. She earned the "DAD" meme title for a very good reason, especially within the HoloEN family.
The whole "I don't want Calli to interact with my precious oshi because she will corrupt them 😡" thing baffles me. Everyone in Hololive is an adult and can think for themselves not some like innocent and pure cherub that needs to be protected. Also great video!
They try to act like they have control over a person they've never seen or met in real life. These people have anything but control in their lives.
Its peak parasocial(?), not wanting change or at least change instigated by an outside force
Very true. A lot of fans treat their favorite Vtubers like children that can’t think for themselves. To be in hololive you have to be 18 or older, and most of the talents are in their mid 20’s. It’s fucking laughable, I can’t even take them seriously
Ironically, I'm pretty sure Calli is the most "innocent" in holo EN.
Yup!!!
I always admire calli, despite the constant people trying to drag her down she’s still going strong. Calli is always gonna be my oshi
Thank goodness she's tough or I would be a lot more worried about her with everything she had to go through
i think she has find a way to transform the hate in creative energy and work. Else I cannot explain how good she is doing in both her careers, to the point that I wonder if she sometimes sleeps. I don't have much time, so i watch mainly clips, and she's absolutely hilarious in collabs. Also I don't really like her music but I don't go around bitching about it, I just listen to other stuff, but I'm glad of all the success she is getting. Wish for her to stay strong and maybe sometimes just relax, she really is working at a rythim that should not be humanely possible
Same here. Knowing of just some of the crap she's had to get through and put up with, and seeing her thriving now, has only made me admire her more. Mori Calliope is and always will be my oshi.
She's tried to use addiction to control others, you either have no values or no brain. Which is it, boy?
Never understood how people could hate her (I still remember her and Kronii getting hate from weirdos because they collabed with the Tempus boys; which were comedy gold). Calli is also pretty much beloved by all three branches because of her creativity, work ethic and sense of humor.
I have so much sympathy for Cali wanting her friends from her underground days to be proud of her... There's an unfortunate threshold of success that, once you cross, a lot of people say you've sold out and are soulless now, that you've lost the point of the music. Particularly in more punk/counter culture scenes like she used to operate in. I hope those friends have listened to her music because whatever your opinion of it, you cannot deny that it is filled to bursting with soul and sincerity.
I really do wish her all the best.
The Brad guy in the video seems more pissed that she's successful and he isn't.
Odd when sone think she sold out when she clearly worked hard fir that and still does.
@@technomancermagus8357Sadly yes. I actually liked him and had a lot of respect for him but after that I lost all for him.
I still love her music, she's constantly putting out bangers.
@@kclink1579 I think you can sell out and still be a hard worker. She has even admitted that the past her would probably shit on the current her for her choice to go corporate and some of the songs she now sings. Like do you think the edge lord underground rapper that she was when she moved to Japan would respect somebody who did a cover of "Sorry I'm so Cute". Or any of the other idol songs she's been part of?
She even admitted on Trash Taste that before she joined Hololive she thought the entire Idol culture and VTubers to be pretty cringe. So in how the term is used, she did sell out and now works for a corporation where they will tell her to work on songs that she's not a fan of or would never do on her own. Take a look at the first song Myth did together "Country Roads". Kiara has mentioned that she HATES that song with a passion but that management made the decision that was the song they were going to do so they did. I'm more Mori has been put in that same situation and she's hinted if not flat out stated that being part of a corporation has its disadvantages and that's one of them.
She is a professional and so will work in the confines of the Corporate structure which means from time to time singing songs she doesn't want to, and then promoting them. To me that would seem to be "selling out" or at least how some would define that term. She also has the chance to make music that she really wants to and have that listened to by a much wider audience. Which is the upside to "selling out".
To be honest, the mainstream side of music is the place where no artists are without negative feedback. Calli has achieved what the most artists are craving for, by getting negative feedback THAT massive, she's already in mainstream side
"You know what they say: 'the more haters you got, the more people *love* you!' Wait, maybe... hold on, that's actually... actually I don't think that's true, that actually might be wrong, but... that means you're famous!" -the C-Man himself :D
Cope its bad
Haters gonna hate
yes because you never have one that is actually normal human being
Came here expecting yet another half-baked "Mori drama????" video, but this was great! You continually include the full footage of events you're referring to, and always portray all the competing perspectives respectfully and in good faith (more than I personally think 4chan trolls deserve). If you can keep up this level of quality with subjects you aren't as personally familiar with, then this is gonna be a fantastic channel to follow.
I still don't get how Calli can receive so much hate. Like she's done some things that deserve criticism, but so have most people. Reactions to her are so blown out of control it's ridiculous.
hate bandwagon happens too often
i once had a friend that keep mocking her solely just because they dont like her raps
Success comes with ppl who wants to see you fall. Most of Calli's haters are either unloved simps or vtuber wannabes who can only dream of becoming as successful as her.
@@maicee7603 even as a regular listener to calli's songs I have to admit some of her singing don't really fit well with higher octaves
i can understand the hate but they're taking it way too personally
edit: before any more misunderstandings, i'm a closet deadbeats. i just skip over some of her songs when it autoplays
The hate is mostly envy. There's room for some criticism (much as some people can't tell the difference), because great as she is in many ways she's not perfect, but the haters? Very little to do with anything she's actually Done other than be successful.
Because she's a successful woman on the internet.
Calli is a very hardworking person, sucks how much hate she gets when she's just doing stuff others are doing as well that gets a pass but for her it's a point of contention.
The people who hate her the most, are the indie ENvyTubers who only Tweets and causing drama in the English Vtuber sphere.
The ones who either never or barely post any actual Vtuber content.
Same people who will backstab anyone, even to their own mutuals & followers on Twitter.
@@YukitoOnline She gave them the advice they asked for but didn't want to hear.
Them: "What should I do to advance my career as a VTuber?"
Mori: "Create content and get better at your job, you only learn by doing and Vtubing is a skill like any other that you need to work on."
Them: "And I took that personally." also "How dare you!"
Then after the backlash from them being all pissy about her advice, she made a song where she made fun of them for being pissed about it. Which while funny as hell, and an enjoyable song, did nothing but toss gas on the fire.
@@YukitoOnlineYou spelt ENvyTuber wrong
@@RetryOfHealGuy
Thanks for the correction
The hypocrisy is dense that it is a tangible brick of the stuff.
I am constantly blown away by Mori's work ethic. She does so much for Hololive and still has time for her alter-ego that at times I have caught myself wondering if they are really two different people after all or if she has a twin😂 Also, about her "addictions" Mori has said that she is drinking alcohol a lot less these days in order to live a healthier lifestyle.
mori's work ethic is fucking inhuman. I swear she happens to have blood in her caffeine stream, because she can't sleep. She keeps her previous life runnning, streams as herself, releases music, used to work at applebitches, and still has the time to do collabs with stuff like trash taste. HOW DOES SHE FIND TIME TO SLEEP WTF
No wonder she consumes Bang Energy like it's fucking water
she sleep while doin the idol's meeting
so Calli is actually Will Smith in “The Pursuit of Happiness.” Honestly I can see it
It's only from a fan-animation that I realized she's been knocking down on Bang Energy, one that's with like 5-times as much caff as coffee, and by far the only drink I knew she was drinking other than alcohol.
Dad Mori has been chugging energy drinks like an addict. 4 hours of sleep is basically the maximum limit, given her 9am to 4am work schedules.
I put off watching this video for awhile because I was afraid of just hearing more hate for Calli. As someone who's been made fun of for my interests in the past, it's always hard for me to read her get so mercilessly torn apart by people who know nothing about her. She's a huge inspiration to me and I finally sat down and watched your video - and was so happy with what I saw. Thank you for your level-headed analysis. Subscribed!
Outstanding coverage. Love her or hate her, Calli is one of the hardest working talents in the industry and her success proves it.
And for her detractors: the worst part of Vtuber culture isn't an outspoken white girl rapping with her heart on her sleeve; it's a bunch of entitled crybabies spewing hate & vitriol at someone bearing their soul while hiding behind a screen and keyboard that protect them from the the very same.
I rarely use the term "hater" to describe someone who hates someone/thing else... but Calli's detractors are pretty much just haters in the literal sense. Everything they dislike about her is subjective, based entirely on half truths or just straight up lies. It's rather impressive. And demented.
She tries to use addiction to control anyone who's a threat like the federal goddamn government. You are a whole fool willing to see past anything because you're horny, which itself pretty much describes every deadbeat.
I'd call using the N word multiple times without an apology controversial, I don't know about you.
@@ScoutOlson I'm pretty sure that on the scale of N word use, she's more on the "Rappin' For Jesus" end rather than the "Karen wants to say the N word, reeee". She doesn't come across as feeling entitled to say it and a lot of rappers have embraced her because of her flow style and rhyme scheme, which pays homage to some of the greats and does them justice. The woman's has earned her stripes and her freestyle's nasty in some of the best ways. I'm pretty sure that in the rap scene, she's earned the ability to say it, and even then, she doesn't say it often or directly to attack. It's about tone and how you come across. She tends to say it with due respect, for as I can recall. So I think that's why most people in the scene aren't bothered. G-Idle's Soyeon, for example, has been one of the few Korean rappers to say "Niga" and no one except chronic twitter users batted an eye, even before "niga" = you was wider known. Soyeon's earned her rep with her lyrics and flow. And again, was rather mindful even with the language difference.
Long winded way to say: it seems like the rap scene gave them both their N-word passes. And neither has abused it, from the last time I'd checked.
Her music just sounds like ass, am i not allowed an opinion
@@Yunfarron78 i can’t speak for all of us, but i do know it’s general knowledge that someone who’s comfortable saying it has said it before in other contexts. that’s why people side eye someone who openly says it in this way, not because hearing a white mf say it in a song is offensive but because it suggests familiarity. we’ve lived our whole lives hearing it and being called it, it would be weird if we didn’t recognize specific connotations. i don’t think mori was going around throwing slurs, but for people who are confused as to why you’re seen as a weirdo for saying it in a song, that’s why. it’s not always the case, but it’s definitely common. there’s a lot of underlying context when it comes to racism that white people will never understand, they’re quick to decide and judge based on information that’s either missing or completely wrong.
i don’t care what anyone uses in rap, and i think a lot of people feel the same way, we usually just overreact as a joke cause it is a little funny when people panic over something like that. we don’t dislike that word for fun it’s because seeing someone you care about being subjected to it or being called it yourself is a distressing experience. especially for kids. i think most people who have a very intense opinion have it because of that, they were children when they first experienced that flavor of racism.
so don’t be trying to justify anything, people will think however they want to and if you truly believe what you’re saying you shouldn’t feel the need to defend it. she’s a grown adult i’m sure she was aware of the response she would inevitably get.
"I'm death so I have a lot of haters I guess" was more prophetic of a statement than Mori ever realized lol
This is one of the more interesting controversies in the vtuber space, especially because she’s a corpo. What constitutes talent? Would her “alter-ego” be as popular if she wasn’t a vtuber? Should Cover be way more strict with their anti harassment policies?
There’s a lot that calli brought to the space positively and negatively due to her popularity. Personally I don’t watch her as much as the other girls but she does work hard and that much is obvious regardless of what your opinions are on her music.
Those are really interesting questions! thanks for bringing this to the table. I also believe she works super hard so I was surprised when I saw some antis call her lazy. Kinda wild
Don’t really follow her or know much but if i were to learn everything about Calli this would be my same conclusion. Her music to me at least is just nails on a chalkboard and not my cup of tea. BUT I respect she does put in the time, effort & works hard for what she likes, her music.
Does anyone know what Calli's "past life name" use to be? I love her music and would love to know her work before holo
@@paulocezardinizjunior346 demondice
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I find it ironic how brad criticizes mori by saying shes just "an out of touch white girl who makes rap music" but hes... white? Like who are you to judge rap music then. Just so wild lol
Rap has so many different genre now. Trying to pigeonhole the medium into any one type is just asinine.
I hate that i shared the same name as that guy, lol
@@bradwhite5884 I Value your Brad opinion over that other Brads opinion
@@1337foxs Duality of the Brads
Yeah, but you see, he's "not" out of touch because...nope, I've got nothing. It is pretty nuts how he doesn't understand the irony of making that statement. Maybe he thinks he likes better rap, so he has more authority on it. But like, so? Good for you I guess? lol
It's been a year... a whole year... and I still can't watch this part @7:42 without tearing up.
End of a life is really one of Calli's best songs. I feel so bad for Calli that she feels so lonely sometimes. Where the friend that she still holds dear, even after the friends wronged her, calling Calli a sell out because Calli moved on into another way in her career, after the world went through sh*t. Rather going for Calli's throat out of envy, instead of being proud of Calli for grabbing this opportunity.
I dislike that Calli would be blamed for Gura being at the party. Gura is a big girl guys, her model might not looks like it, but Gura is capable of making big girl decisions. As for Calli's work schedule it's rather insane, she really is putting everything in her music.
As for us Deadbeats that do love her, we know that Calli dislikes to show sadness on streams, she really really tried to debut as this very cool/stoic character. Yet sometimes she would simply break, specially when it hits very close. When Kiara had to leave Japan, Kiara was also sharing her side of the story. The part I loved and sticked with me from Kiara's side of her story is that Calli off-screen actually acts uncharacteristic, when it comes to something/someone very close to Calli's heart, someone like Kiara. Calli had such a hard time letting go of Kiara at the airport, clinging onto Kiara like glue all the way to the airplane gates.
Luckily over the years chipping away at Calli's view on herself, at least the way she though who she needed to be as a streamer/rapper, we're finally able to make Calli sure that it's ok to cry, that it's ok to be sad and that it's absolutely oke for Calli to take breaks if she is at her limits. I love Calli.
P.s.: Yes I know about Calli's alt account, looks and name. Yet I don't care, I just love her whacky, funny and caring personality the most
Calli is a very hard working person. I legit respect and admire her. The haters for her are freaking crazy.
bc they don't know what hard work is, and would rather tweet about her than focus on themselves.
That's what Calli said-
You want a balances following? Then Start creating, STOP TWEETING! They're jealous but they only tweet about how someone else is bad (Mori is great ❤)
for those who knows the "forbidden knowledge"... she works VERY hard
As an ex-alcoholic who's still struggling I would still beat her within an inch of her life for the Gura thing, yeah. Absolutely horrible person. You are an idiot, you're one of those idiots who keeps going along with the sociopath and gets a big surprise at the end. :/
@@pizza_36 Yeah I mean it can't be that some people just think the music is terrible, right?
The comparison of Brad Taste and Knox Hill in their opinions and reviews of Calliope's music is truly a prime example of someone who's short sighted in their enjoyment of music and one who loves music as a whole.
When you can't look at a song that is put together in such a complex way and all you see is 'white girl rapping and trying to hard' it kind of shows the ignorance of the style of music being played. Its the same as when people hate rap and refuse to see the art of a lyricist's penmanship, or when someone listens to a ballad and not comprehend the emotions conveyed in the voice.
Every true musician knows these nuances and understand what is happening even if they don't like the song/genre/artist.
Well. Some of her stuff is good. Some is flat. Mostly she's a lyricist over a musician. That isn't bad. But instead of finding a good songwriter she goes the way of production tricks. Again. That isn't bad. Perfectly valid way to do things. Especially now days. But I'm never going to listen to a Mori song and think, "Huh, what time signature is that in? Oh. That's kinda interesting, she's shortening every 2 a 16th note to give it velocity and setup an unsettling feeling.", or "Oh, that was a nice scale change for the chorus.". It's, "I guess that was an interesting sound effect fill to hide there isn't a transition into the chorus.". It's perfectly serviceable and not a wrong way to do it. But I'm not going to really appreciate her for anything other than the lyrical acrobatics. I will give her her due one thing musically. She has written a melody for all her songs. There's stuff in Top 40 land which isn't even that, there's some talentless hackery getting by on paying for a place on a Spotify playlist in the Top 10.
@@halycon404 fair enough, and it's not a bad thing to only like some songs we all have our tastes, I don't like some of her songs and that's fine. I think people are too absolute with like and dislike an artist. You don't have to like or hate every song.
imagine if people used " black person rapping".
her lyrics are way better than most top 40 stuff as its got more depth or just fun than the rest.
childish gambino stands out in the same way. so many others seem like carbon copies.
I mean plenty of musicians would critique the quality of her music, the messy flows, the poor mixes and these mistakes wouldn't be absolved on the basis that she is a popular personality. I am sure that Drake, J.Cole, Scarface and Big L put out songs they didn't want to revisit too but they also recognized as rappers, this is a space where music is heavily scrutinized as its an extension of the individual. Rap is an ego driven, personality driven genre of music and kid gloves are rarely used. I find it so corny that any critical discussion of either of her eras cannot be treated as valid discussion of quality in rap because she is a popular VTuber. The VTuber community baffles me in that so much is overlooked, forgiven, ignored and excused exclusively because you like someone. You can like a VTuber AND dislike their creative output.
@@elliottb7009 They are not, you and many VTuber fans make these broad statements about rap without having any real interest in the genre or knowing anything about the discographies of said Top 40 rappers. Doja Cat, Saweetie, Cardi B, Drake, Offset, 21 Savage, Coi Leray and many others would rap circles around Mori. She should just sharpen her pen and get better at flowing instead of her fanbase making excuses for her mediocrity.
I knew she faced some backlash and sh*t, especially in the early days, but… wooooww, imagine being so petty that you’d spend $100+ to insult someone you don’t even know 😅
Antis are not the smartest people, considering they are terminally online and keep getting into arguments with others on the internet
The Unicorn Fans are deranged and think they own the talents they give money to.
Bruh thats not even close to the level of money Coco got from heters.
Its so dumb giving money to someone you hate.
@@revolvingworld2676 Imaging loses your shit so bad over the fact that Taiwan was a country that you forced a company to fire a bunch of chinese VTubers.
Of course, some of the hate for Coco came from the Chinese branch of hololive, which is also insane.
@@technomancermagus8357 Chinese antis are the saddest people around. They're basically human bots: they write the same drivel, but behind the screen isn't some soulless algorhythm, but some Communist stooge who A: doesn't live in China and simps so hard for True Communism it may as well be his religion, or B: DOES live in China and lives in fear of disappointing Big Comrade and being sent to gulag.
Calli is amazing. It speaks to her strengh and unwavering will that she continues to work hard every day despite this unproportional amount of unwarranted hate she is receiving. From the start as her vtuber persona, she inspired thousands of people (including myself) to work hard and try to achieve dreams of our own.
Yeah sure, she made some dumb mistakes in the past, most of them while she was still a teenager. Who of us wasn't problematic on the internet before? She has grown a lot since then.
This was a fantastic video, thank you for making it.
The lyrics of her "six feet under" song make a lot of sense, especially with all this hate she gets.
"There aren't second chances for me, nobody's likely to come back around [...] Was I the hero no one believed? Was I the villain after all?"
These lyrics, just like all of Calli's lyrics, resonate deeply within me and that's why I love her so much. I really hope one day I can show my appreciation for her in a memorable and notable fashion.
and to that i say you are neither because you suck at both
Rima, this dense video essay is _justice_
I've added to this comment in a weird, rambly order. I'm also drunk:
Thank you for your hardwork! Calli is and always has been one of my oshi's, in part because of her irreverence. I love it. There was a lot I learned in this video. Whilst a lot people are salty for various reasons, to various degrees, I just see a hololive Vtuber who has a relatable mood, particularly because she's a little older and jaded. I also love how she's, at least on some level, struggled to become an idol. The fact that the idol pretence was at odds with her, just made for great content. I actually think that's what makes a lot of hololive what it is. After all, it's the dichotomy between character and actor/actress that makes Vtubing so special to begin with. Everybody loves Sora, but if all idols were seiso, things would be less interesting.
I'm not into her music. Hell, I'm not really into hololive music for the most part (Towa's cover of ERROR, Suisei's Stellar Stellar and Risu's Alice&U being some exceptions). Anyhow, with Calli and the rest, I see it in a similar way to supporting your friends' band or something. You may not listen to it in your own time, but you're happy to support them, whilst they're doing their best, doing something they love. I dunno, I never got into the whole hating Justin Bieber or whatever flavour of the month. Constantly hearing the same chart music can be grating but, it's the game you got to hate, not the player.
Original comment: Man, I remember cringing at the Coco Meme Review with Calli. It was clearly not her kind of humour. I found 90% of the memes to be unfunny, but what made the show so great was the guest reactions. If they went along with the flow, then it was all good, great even. The fact that Calli didn't have it in her to humour the usual wide spread jokes-turned low effort visual memes was relatable, but damn it made for a difficult watch.
I get the impression that Calli's burned a number of bridges behind her, and she regrets it. That happens to some of us, and while she's been extremely successful and fulfilling all of her dreams, she's still unhappy and feels the pain about things she's done in the past.
Agreed.
@@stolas2393 I don't, and just go for the stuff that is entertaining. Their motives and "story" don't concern me in the slightest, unless it's something that is an actual crisis and will likely be life-affecting.
Also, I'm very casual about all of this. I more often catch clips than streams, so I have avoided most of this other "drama." Getting caught up in Calli's "drama" is a choice, and I choose not to.
@@yohannbiimuTo be fair, barely any of these dramas/controversies make it to the forefront of her career, anyway.
Money changes a person
@@rikterterran3833 it does when people choose to look for it. Those who choose not to aren't affected by it. I choose not to.
About the hate on her song and how people creates their own narrative to confirm it i have 2 examples:
1 - With her newest cover, Internet Yamero, the original creator of the song commented on the video saying how good the cover was and how it sounded like a official English ver. But you could see haters in the reply saying that "he was forced by contract" to leave that comment and that he didn't really mean it and thst the cover is "mediocre at best". It is really funny to see how much they create these lies and believe it themselves like it's 100% true.
2 - about the reacts with reviews about her song, another good example is a channel called "ROARTHERAPPER" that does deep analysys to her songs with videos that goes above 20 minutes of him talking line per line and shows how much knowledge and talent she have with rap. With proves even harder how Brad is a huge about of bias and jealousy when talking about her raps and singing skills
Like Brad is basically just relying on drama and hatred to generate attention for himself instead of just being fair and honest.
tbh the first point the cover really isn't that good compared to the original but it's better than any other indie tuber's cover just because the song is difficult to cover to begin with, let alone write translyrics for. i really don't think calli is that good at singing things outside her vocal range, or that the tracks she sings for do not suit her voice type.
red for example was really good because it was made with her voice in mind and had a melody line that fit the way she raps (in which she puts a lot of emphasis on her consonants as opposed to her vowels). i think she definitely needs to study other forms of rap closer, and take some time to improve her singing via lessons, etc., because she has the passion and energy but the actual execution is not that great.
not denying she doesn't already have a lot of knowledge, but i really do not enjoy her newer tracks and i do not think she picks songs that suit her voice. if other people can, more power to them, but i don't think people saying "this cover is not that great" is blind hating. making constant videos calling her stupid or saying "she said the n word 10 years ago!!" is blind hating though -- i agree with your second point.
you can only get so far with practice. i really think she should pursue vocal coaching and listen to things outside of what she likes to improve her voice quality and maybe get back to what red established for her. i still think her cover of envy baby is one of her best, and it really sucks she just seems to have strayed so far from that point.
@@garfieldandfriends1I mean, for being a fan of ANTHONY FANTANO of ALL people, that sure is one hell of a smoke + flash combo
I go sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky sneaky...
Yeah totally a rap genious... haha
@@yndislegstelpa2859 blame the people that created the song, Calli only sang it. She did not made the lyrics
God, seeing Brad popped up some rather rage filled memories. I stumbled across his videos while looking for more music Calli's alter ego made, and i genuinely cant remember getting so pissed of watching some videos than i did there. I have explicit memories of him skipping over one of the collab songs with Watame for fear of "being branded a pedophile", and at one point he stopped the review because the songs were so mind numbing that he needed to put on some "real" music to recharge, said music using gunshots as the main beat.
I know right. Like demondice said "you don't gotta be ghetto to spit it"
Thats a cringe a lyric with sus implications. Like you know she disowned that song for a reason right?
Brad just has that pretentious know it all I'm not really an expert but i like to pretend to be energy... that makes you want to punch him in the FACE.
@@i_like_chomp6382I’m glad she doesn’t make those weird pointed jokes anymore, I was a Brad viewer and I avoided her content bcuz of that
I love that calli sticks up for her friends, doesn't care what people say about her and when people go after said friends, she goes scorched earth on them. Its funny with the whole conner thing is that they are friends irl
Calli is as real as a vtuber can be imo. She's my 2nd favorite in myth, and all the controversy is just the dumbest shyte. Anti's are scum and should be gatekept at every turn.
Is "Anti" just a hater or something more specific?
@DarkEnigma1115 It's kind of a step above just a hater. They tend to let the object of their irrational vitriol live rent-free in their head and obsess over being angry. They harass and lash out and are often very hypocritical and nonsensical. A normal hate is just going dislike for some kind of contrarian points. An anti is obsessed and goes to extreemes.
@@DarkEnigma1115 Hater is somebody who if the person they hate is brought up will loudly tell you how much they hate them. They probably don't watch much or any of the content the person they hate produces and will get annoyed if it's playing in the background. They might know some superficial things that they say are the reasons they hate the person for doing so, but it's almost all based on what they've read from others.
An anti will go out of their way to bring the person up, post about them on every social media, and go out of their way to convince others that they should hate the person. They also oddly consume a huge amount of that person's content just so they can find more things to bring up out of context to use against them. They also aren't above just making shit up like "X person got their friend Y sexually assaulted at a party!"
@@DarkEnigma1115 For the simplest answer: an anti is a DEDICATED hater. As much time as a fan, as much passion as a fan, but all hate instead of support.
@@KnightOfZero00 Basically stalkers with malicious intent.
If there is one moment that made me appreciate Calli as a caring person, is during her 3D showcase. Letting her ultra big senpais Boogey Voxx shine one last time alongside her, and even letting them take the stage for a bit too. Yeah.
I agree whole heartedly! Usually the 3D Showcase is centered entirely on the streamer and yet she put her time and resources into giving Boogey Vox a retirement sendoff. How gigachad is that?
Personally, I don't think that she "sold out" or "burnt bridges" when she joined Hololive so much as she took advantage of a natural opportunity to further her career. (Is it selling out to take a better paying job?) The bridges weren't burnt by her so much as by the jealousy of some of her past peers as she has always been open to collabing with them (ie. Milky Queen, FAKETYPE, Deco*27, etc.) and even opened up access to the rest of Hololive for them.
I can understand not liking her music as that is a personal aesthetic, but you have to give the woman props.
Nah Mori is a baller for everything she’s managed at her age. People seem to not realize she is a mid-late twenty year old girl. I’m 25, and I can’t tell you how often you just feel clueless in everyday life. Imagine that, but to her scale? That has to be god damn hard. Which is another reason people have to understand about her friendships with people like Connor. She was in JP isolated from many other wsternerns and that’s hella isolating. She undoubtedly loves her genmates, but there js something special about irl friends you can hang with and lean on. Hell, one of her best friends is MARRIED to one of the TT guys. Of course she wouldn’t just “cut them off” like some people expected. Anyway, what Connor said was entirely correct, just phrased badly(something mouse recognized and tried to walk him out of but ironically Connor didn’t notice his own verbal blunders, but hey out of context clips is the name of the game)
Anyway, that’s all to say, there are few who are as hard working or deserving as Calli. Is she perfect? Nah, but that’s why she is cool and stands out from other HL vtubers, she is herself through and through, she doesn’t present an idealized GFE or such.
Everything girl touched turned gold for awhile. She's one of the biggest superchat users of all time and she regularly shuts that function down when she believes it excessive. She mentioned buying a recorder. It was asked where she said Amazon. Amazon sold out of recorders world wide for three days. She had an album that went number 1 in several countries on the hip hop charts and number 1 period in japan. She's had several EP's that have had top 10 debuts on the charts. Any time she releases a limited edition of anything it sells out. Hell she did a limited release tshirt that fans got a hint of and people figured out how to access the preorder site before it went live and it sold out before it opened.
It's gotta be frustrating in a way. You spend years in the underground scene hustling and barely getting by. Then someone slaps your voice behind an anime avatar and you become one of the most successful artitst of the year? Imagine what that has to do to your self image. All the doubts that would have to create. The resentment. I think she's actually done a pretty good job of not being bitter about it. She's taken breaks now and then so she could do her own thing. And her new fame has spilled into the other and she's gotten recognition for her previous work after the fact but all the same it's gotta be hard.
A part of her success was due to her being one of the first members of the first Holoive EN branch. The other big part was definitely her insane talents she brought along to the Vtuber scene in general.
I think that the biggest part of why she wasn't as successful as before is simply due to most people that watch and follow her now, weren't a part of her previous circle of fans of her music. That obviously changed after the debut simply due to the exposure and she's much more successful for it.
Also dealing with the resentment of past friends who were jealous of her success. It seems like the support she's received has been able to help her through it all, but I can imagine it'd be a bitch to deal with regardless.
@@WeskerUmbrella4 A big part of the reason she wasn't success is she didn't make good music AND she was a nobody. Once people have an attachment to your persona, bias will tint things HEAVILY. There are plenty of online personalities that make music bad enough to be considered a form of torture but they still sell millions because people just blindly support them at that point. That is ESPECIALLY true with Hololive which has a demographic of people that can get reeeaaally obsessively attached. Its not pure talent, its marketing & psychological influence (and then her working hard enough capitalize off it, not to be ignored)
@harryaudessis3869 1 million from 7yrs of hustling is not amazing dude. Commendable but doesn't put her anywhere near the top. top of the bottom maybe. I LIVE with someone that has managed to get a little more than 1 million views and they definitely live a very normal life. They not getting stopped in the streets by any means. Moreover, The vast, VAST majority of views & subscribers came post-debut. That's just fact. If it makes you feel better I can adjust to "nobody to A LOT of people (like, many many many)".
And let's not forget that even in the beginning of Hololive EN, Calli would mention here & there that she was living that broke life. Another reason why she works so hard. Until just recently she HAD TO to survive
@@sirebellum0 So your argument is that none of the girls have any skills or talent and that it's all marketing. Ok buddy.
What's so weird is that there are like ahandfull or more V-tubers who have done controversial shit and yet all of them combined still don't have the amount of hate that Calli gets..... so effing weird.
Calli was a pioneer in the EN corporate V-tuber world, and is very popular. Most of the antis aren't V-tuber fans, so they won't know about the actually controversial, less well-known figures. It's the equivalent of hating Taylor Swift or Kanye West.
Sure Callie has some controversy, but remember, Pekora bought a FUCKING MONKEY!
2 Things. The big problem is that Mori is an almost completely opposite time zone. 14 Hours difference or so. So it's not surprising she shows up tired or out of sort in some of the collabs.
Also, 4Chan has kept pushing the idea that at the party Gura was sexually assaulted.... which she wasn't.
That whole thing with Gura was hilarious-it was a total nothingburger. The next day after the party thing, Calli and Gura were happily singing in a car on their way to the off-collab.
@@rikterterran3833 Absolutely. It's like the people wanted something bad to happen to Gura so they could justify their Mori hate more.
@@technomancermagus8357
Or they wanted something to happen to Gura so they could hear the story. Let's not act like Gura would be safe in a house filled with her more weirder fandom.
@@juniorjunior5884 Honestly I bet Mori's IRL family and friends would probably be like... "Gura? Who?"
it really disgusts me how people wanted/expected gura to be sexually assaulted at the party. calli already said gura was fine and chilling alone in her room but of course weirdos were like noooo something must have happened to her. they are adults, they know how to take care of themselves. this isn't some hentai anime where you can't be in an area with the opposite sex without something happening.
Most of these are so dumb, the Gura in danger rumor is the one that was so stupid and both Deadbeats and Chumbuds made the YT comments just embarrassing. They are both adult women, it is none of our business, and everyone tries to exaggerate a situation that they had no idea about anything but what Calli mentioned.
It's like people sometimes forget that Gura, despite appearances, is *not* a child. She can handle herself
@@astuteanansi4935I think that they just WANT to believe she’s a child because they’re creeps.
@@Necroskull388 That is disturbing
The thing that people attacking or defending Mori BOTH always leave out (and even this video missed) is that Calli offered to pay for a completely different place for Gura to stay. Gura turned her down - she felt safe enough in that house to stay there.
@@TheCalvdog I remember Calli saying that. I doubt it was about money or anything but more about they just drove all day and were tired maybe. Gura probably didn't want to go by herself to a hotel in LA in the middle of the night. Traffic would probably take at least 30 to 45 mins. However like I said it all worked out and it isn't anyone else's business.
If you're a true friend of anybody, you wouldn't let propaganda end your friendship with your friends!
sounds like ignorant to me
I was introduced to Cali by Knox Hill's analysis of End of Life. I fell in love with the song. Knox crushes it and made me think about lyrics way more
Incredibly good video. Never heard of that Brad guy before, but I think you essentially nailed the point down about how he seems to just basically be someone unwilling to try to understand what he has a bias against. Like the fact that he says "fake white wannabe rapper", then looking at him, it just feels so ironic from the get go, it is just so odd he would say that, and mean it to be a serious criticism that I can't wrap my head around it at all from how outrageous he sounds. Here's to hoping he and her anti's can come to an understanding where, you don't have to shit on something you don't agree with if it doesn't pertain to you.
The issue is that he heard Snake Eyes, and once you hear that song its in your mind forever.
Calliope Mori is a classic case of someone who is way too nice and caring achieving success that they have success guilt.
too nice 🤣
The only thing I admired about Calliope is She try to past alternative way of Jump King
The problem that I have with Brad isn't even that he doesn't bother looking into Calli's background and the culture surrounding her; it's that he has built a large portion of his OWN fanbase around how much he thinks she's a culture vulture when he has no skills of his own to back up any of his claims.
He has no professional experience creating music, much less attempting to understand the artist behind the songs he reviews, and he has the audacity to claim that anything he doesn't like is just cut and dried corpotrash.
If we put any of his arguments against Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement, we see that they all fall under "name calling", "ad hominem (addressing characteristics of the opposition without addressing the argument itself)", "responding to tone", and "contradiction (providing arguments with little to no supporting evidence)".
By "professional experience", let me give you a couple examples of people with such experience.
Knox Hill, for instance, is a very accomplished artist who understands how the composition of a song is an extremely complex task as well as how difficult it is to make bars flow together. And a lot of those lyrics are in a language he likely doesn't even speak!
Scru Face Jean (another person who has reviewed Calli's work) is also a fellow rapper who understands such intricacies, and he has had nothing but respect for Calli, both within her Reaper persona and without.
Brad has exactly none of these under his belt, and has spoken on neither the composition, nor the lyrics and their meanings. He has given zero thought to ANY of his reviews of Calli's work, and that is what disgusts me about him.
So basically he is a real life example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@@lucky4d725 Tha- YES
THATS EXACTLY IT
It was RIGHT on the tip of my tongue but I couldn't remember what it was
Thank you
@@My2Cents.iF7934 np mate.
@@My2Cents.iF7934 To add to this i wanna include "ravenclaw reacts" and "roartherapper" to your list.
The irony of people whining that someone "is fake" because they:
Don't bullshit
Don't ignore the haters
Don't pretend they're perfect
Don't hide their feelings
and most of all Don't embrace idol culture
I don't think these people understand what fake means. She's genuine to a fault, in an industry that's framed around playing a part for your audience. I find the part about vtuber and idol culture where they're supposed to avoid men and act innocent so that their entire audience can pretend to have some kind of creepy parasocial relationship with them to be incredibly distasteful, and anyone who faults a vtuber for not playing to that is not helping their own case.
Speaking on the BradTaste situation, I've watched a lot of his videos before, but his ones on Mori and DDK in particular are what drove me away.
It was clear to me that he had little to no experience as a musician, so he was criticizing Mori and DDK solely off of his opinion. Now usually I'd be fine with this. I like hearing genuine criticism of things, even those I enjoy personally. However, Brad's opinions basically came down to him seemingly hating the anime community, J-Pop and other similar genres, and VTubers, simply because he doesn't understand them in the slightest. He gives off the vibes of "I don't understand it, therefore I don't like it," but while also not even attempting to try to understand it.
The clip in this video of him talking to his friend about the designs really nailed that home for me. The friend talking about how the VTuber models are designed by big names in the manga industry is a huge deal and a big achievement, and Brad kind of just looked at it like "ew, corporate." It's like he only has two criticisms, being that it's corporate and even remotely related to anime. It's fine to not like this stuff, but to completely disregard the achievements someone has made because of your complete lack of understanding, even after multiple streams and videos, even after having a fan try to explain it to you, it just shows that, at least on this topic, Brad is extremely close minded and not even willing to really have a genuine conversation about the topic and why people like it because "haha, Japanese anime corporate cringe White girl."
I also have to give Brad partial blame for the harassment Mori faced as part of the old lyrics of a song she denounced and deleted. Why is this? Well, Brad covered DDK's music on stream, and one of the lyrics has, from what I saw when I still watched him, became a huge meme on his channel, further propelling it into the public eye. Is he solely to blame, absolutely not, but he did play a big role in that side of the Anti hate.
His distain for anime culture in general made me stop watching his vids :/
It’s a pretty standard business practice for smaller content creators. Start a beef with someone who’s more successful than you in order to get attention and hopefully build your brand. Because I can guarantee you that far more people found out about Brad from his beef with Callie than the other way around
I don’t watch her or any hololive streamer but being in the vtubing community its impossible to not hear about all that hate mori receives. Thank you for taking your time talking about this!
I remember a time (pre-EN2) when you could be in a random 100-200 viewers stream and Mori would appear with words of encouragement. That's how I knew she was awesome
I'm a fan of both Mori and her 'alter ego' music, but as being a fan of both I DON'T like all of their songs and even the songs I do like I can have criticism for but still enjoy. I listened to both of them from the beginnings to their newest releases, and if others did the same you'd see the MASSIVE improvement in both singing, rapping, the experimental stuff becoming more polished, and from Mori specifically being much more honest and quickly getting rid of trying to be the cute kawaii anime girl vtuber that she's not, and started being herself in streams, collabs, and her own music.
It ain't that hard bros
As someone who's been a fan of her music even before Hololive it's been an absolute treat seeing her hone her craft and growing higher and mightier than before.
And while there certainly are songs that deserve their critical claims, I think she is very much aware and always striving to improve on them.
Jigoku 6 was her experimenting with new styles. she even acknowledged that Left for Dead Lullaby was everyones fan favorite. Her future songs might be like LFDL.
When Calliope first debuted I wasn't really a fan of her music. I did become a fan when she started singing more instead of it just being rap. She is awesome and she does not deserve all of this hate.
@@featherinescat I have heard people say that, and I think it's funny, because to me, LFDL was my least favorite song on the track. Maybe even my least favorite song she has ever put out. I listened to it twice in a row because I couldn't believe that I could dislike a song she made THAT much. I love a lot of Callie's music, and there are others that I am just "meh" about, but that was the first song I heard of hers I actually disliked. So, I think it is really interesting how many people like it.
Six Feet Under and Black Sheep are currently my favorite Callie songs ever, and 虚像のCarousel and Future Island are pretty good too, so Jigoku6 is overall still a great album to me.
Yeah the Yaosobi Idol cover was kinda bad but it don't diminish all her masterpieces
Calli has the coolest voice and mannerisms. And she's relatable and cool.
Love her or hate her, Calli honestly deserves her success. She used to juggle other odd jobs while streaming. She can sing, rap, write songs, perform, entertain, illustrate, animate & speak a second language. Her grind is insane, sometimes I wonder if she overworked herself but regardless I respect how hardworking she is
Calli was my first red brick. Her first minecraft collab she had no fucking clue and it was so real. Also got to meet her irl at a 22 con and she fucking actually remembered me (gave way too much in 21-22 lol). Peak. I've always wondered if there's a correlation between her Kiara having the highest EN dono rakes and having the least "secret" irl presences. Is the parasocial illusion greater?
Both are known to stream for long hours reading superchat donations, so it's no surprise why they'd rake in more than the average holo member.
The vtuber genre doesn't hinge as strongly on parasocial illusions as many people think. Calli and half the indie scene are more than enough proof of that. It's not rocket science: make good content, be positive, keep at it, and you reap the rewards.
@@king0vitrial Reap... i like what you did there
@@rikterterran3833 thats a good point, i remember sending Gura some red bricks early she never read, still love her but yea never picked her up as oshi. TK and Calli do grind
I've been a fan of Calli since before she was in HoloLive. She is hands down the hardest working person I have ever seen or heard of. She is also a painfully honest person who tries to share everything with her fans, often unfiltered and raw. Way too many vtuber fans are way too sensitive and protective about the idea of being a idol. It's not unique to Japan either. If there's one thing fans on the internet hate is honesty, and Calli does not shy away from sharing intimate details of her life and how she feels about things. Having an opinion is just about the worst you can do these days.
Calli has also dealt with a lot of shit from former friends and especially members of the underground music scene who see her success as being a sell out or betrying them and the scene. Its all sourgrapes and bullshit but it adds to the choir of hate Calli has to put up with. But Calli has definitely helped the underground scene, promoting creators, arranging work and collabs for her griends, and she even used half the time of her 3D showcase to throw a going away concert for her friends who were retiring from the music scene. Thats not the actions of someone who's sold out or forgotten her roots.
I have a ton of respect for her in a lot of ways, even if I'm not a paying deadbeat or watch all of her streams. She worked hard and sacrificed to grt where she is at, which is a common story for siccesful entertainers, let alone vtubers.
"yeah i like when my music artist takes lean and fucks horses, they're very honest is why i love em"
She’s funny, BEAUTIFUL and she’s talented!! I admire how she keeps going despite all the negativity she gets that she doesn’t deserve!! She’s strong and she knows that she has friends and fans who support her and love what she does and I believe that it helps her to keep going and create that unique music that we have grown to love and I hope she knows how much we love and respect her for it ❤❤❤
Mori Calliope has the ability to persevere in the face of challenges is truly inspiring. Despite encountering a significant amount of criticism, she continue to overcome obstacles and create captivating content that brightens our days. Her talent, unwavering dedication, and the authenticity her infuse into her work serve as a constant source of motivation for us.
Mori Calliope has been a guiding light during challenging times. Through her valuable life advice and engaging streams, she has made a profound impact on me. Her wisdom and content have been a source of solace and inspiration, helping me navigate difficult moments with greater strength and clarity. This is why she will forever hold a special place in my heart as my Kami-Oshi, my ultimate inspiration.
Thanks a lot for this very deep dive into Calli and the many facets of her hatedom. I think that, while there might be a grain of truth to some of the complaints about her (like oversleeping streams or not being very active during collabs), most of it can be chalked up to her unhealthy workaholic lifestyle attempting to juggle streaming, two separate music careers, keeping up with what her coworkers are doing, and all the administrative stuff that comes with being part of hololive (and early on, which is when most of these poor first impressions of her firmly established themselves, she *also* was holding a full-time job on top of all that!) Claims that she is lazy or that she doesn't care about her coworkers in hololive are clearly very far removed from the truth, but sadly people tend to ignore the good while overemphasizing the bad and spinning their own narrative instead of looking at the bigger picture.
I really hope Calli can keep on keeping on despite all this. From the content of many of her songs, it is clear that she struggles with mental health issues, including depression. She tries to spin an image of herself as a badass who laughs at her haters, but she's clearly more affected by the negative comments than she claims to be, because if she *really* didn't care, she just wouldn't respond to them. In a cruel twist of irony, the track that umru (the guy who ended up disowning his work with her and blocking her) produced was specifically one where she revealed her vulnerable side, her struggles with impostor syndrome, and the pain she goes through.
She's the only content creator I can think of who has at least three separate hatedoms that all blast her for different reasons - the normie crowd (like Brad) who just don't like her music and think dunking on her is the new cool thing to do, the vtweeter crowd that got salty after she told them to "start creating, stop tweeting" and now sees her as a fascist, racist, and every other _ist under the sun, *and* the 4chan unicorn crowd who hate her for not being "idol-ish" enough + the Connor thing. It's just so much hate from so many different angles. I can barely imagine how she even keeps going under such pressure.
Really good summary. One thing about your third paragraph, if the "normie crowd" you're referring to includes shonen fans and hip-hop/rap fans, then I gotta tell ya: they also believe that Calli is racist.
@@rikterterran3833 God I hate this shit.
I know that her use of the no no word early on doesn't paint a flattering picture (even though I'm pretty sure she used it ironically), but so many people keep saying that the lyrics of her songs are also racist, even though it should be painfully obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that she is only disrespectful towards fake-ass soundcloud clowns and not the genuine rap culture.
I don't wander into the dregs of online culture, but it seems to me that Mori's antis are just jealous that she found the success and notoriety that they could only dream of. Except instead of using her as an inspiration for them to do something with their lives, they stay in the circle-jerk slime of redit because they are too afraid or too talentless to find that kind of success for themselves. I'm sure her job at Hololive, while a good place to be, is just another step in her rising career. I celebrate her had work and enjoy the time she gives us in shared experiences.
Those are the people Who reject evolvin and just be jealous people and With pure anger and hatred Litterally trash May they had a bad child or something But its so sad
Yep, you nailed it. I stay away from a lot of online "discourse" because it's very much so reddit circle jerking on any given social media site, and if you dare to have a contrary opinion they spew their bile at you too. (funny that these same people often complain as to why they can't find significant others, etc, when their primary hobby is sitting around stewing in their own hatred constantly)
You know, I personally think these antis sport a "If I can't be famous, nobody can" mentality, and go out of their way in an attempt to ruin the lives of those who ARE famous.
But at the end of the day, antis are just a hateful breed of scum that breed in dark corners of the internet. Typically Reddit and 4chan.
Ah. I see Calli as an "interesting case" in a bit different aspect, in that from that point on, the "Western fans" -- who had a bit of a good reputation as being "not as parasocial or toxic as Japanese idol otaku fans" ... showed the "true face," so to speak.
While the indie scene was continuously growing ever since Kizuna Ai, still, up to that point the "Vtubers of the West" weren't in such a red-ocean situation as it is nowadays, and the general level of interest and reach of its popularity was still quite limited. In other words, most people didn't really understand what "Vtubers" were in the first place, had no knowledge about them, and those who did know about them and became fans had still a superficial understanding of what it requires to be one.
Particularly cringey, were the assumptions that because Holo girls were "corporate" that they got like unlimited financial backing from the company, and the money power of Hololive would just automatically ensure success. These notions were thrown around from a lot of indie Vtubers back than -- to the ire of a lot of the fans who understood that being a Hololive talent was an insanely labor-intense job which required a very strict level of self control, discipline and professionalism. But despite the backlash, some sections of the fans, and some of the indies, continuously tried to push the "corporate vs indie" narrative and tried to slander hololive every chance they got.
Of course, these days a lot of such sentiment has died down, but back then, due to the fact that the MYTH girls were the ones who really blew the doors wide open, it was only natural much of the attention -- as well as misguided toxic hate -- was focused around them.
Anyone still would like to dis her for "having it easy" I welcome them to prove their point. Calli, moved to a different country, acquired a work visa and worked as part-time English teacher, made her own living in an unfamiliar land, learned the language, before she was picked up in hololive so I'd expect at the least that amount of effort from. (Although I have my doubts)
world war 3 was saved because of calli, what a saint
@@akira8393 Found the 4 chan poster 😢
The more you hear from Calli's antis the more you realize there's quite a big intersection between them, and the uglier often more sexist parts of vtuber fandom.
Honestly, from what I see on Twitter, her antis seem to comprise of people who are totally ignorant about the vtuber community and its culture.
@@rikterterran3833She has antis from both sides tbh. The "muh idol culture" /vt/ards and the "white woman rapping aaaargh" twitter freaks.
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@mustardstain True. They even tried to say she is culture appropriating, when she lives in Japan and speaks fluent Japanese. They even had to snoop into her past and find her saying some "offensive" stuff. Anything she does, they attack.
@@PrizeJ
The irony of JP loving her music over there to the point she appeared in TV and adverts
I never knew she was facing so much controversy. I only know of her other persona after seeing her on TT. Im gonna go sub to her now and start watching her contents to support her.
As someone who has started to join the Vtuber community and will eventually stream using a Vtuber model, I see myself in Calli. We are both rebellious and are not afraid to speak our minds. It saddens me that people constantly harass her because she genuinely seems nice and doesn't fit the "norm." It reminded me of myself in middle school being an alternative back in 2017-2019 (which I still am); people constantly bullying me while dealing with my mental health struggles only reminded me even more of her. Honestly, she inspires me to say fuck it and start streaming and being another tuber to break the "norm."
Love the video, it made me listen to her music, and I fucking LOVE IT. Screw the haters live your life the way you want!
Thank you for making this video. I hope that all those anti who finds this video and watch it will change their mind about Mori. They don't have to start liking her music because it is already a subjective topic, and everyone's taste is different. Still, she's only just a person who struggles to find her happiness and be successful in what she likes to do. Is that ever a crime, a sin, or a wrong thing to do? Of course, haters gonna hate, but we can all change for the better, at least that's what I hope for.
The world could use a little more positivity indeed! ^^
It's nice to know however successful Calli is, she will always get to live rent free in Brad's head.
I only got to know Mori from her relationship with Kobo as her Dad-uncle.
She's seems like a wholesome and cool person, so I don't understand why people would hate her.
She even avoid curse words whenever she's with Kobo, so I really respect her.
She's great and I i hope she'll focus on the great things in her life and not be affected by all of the negative comments.
If there's one thing I love about Mori is the amount of BS she's not willing to take and I respect that. The idol industry can be a cruel mistress and idol stans can be next level psychotic. I think standing your ground against that type toxicity, whether it come from your fans or antis, and still coming out on top is definitely something I respect. She's not a child, she's not a toy to be played with, she's not a possession, she's a real person and she makes sure people are reminded of that.
The haters that try to bring down Calli are basically coping right now
I love Calli's headstrong attitude and soft heart towards others she love and her songs are a banger, she does not give a F for the haters and they got mad when she made the song specifically calling out to those haters🔥❤️❤️
This is why Calli is my Oshi in EN❤️🔥
They aren't basically coping, they're straight up coping
I don't understand how people can hate her. Everyone has had problems and issues, but overall she has so much heart that I don't see how you can't have at least some level of respect for it.
The only way I can comprehend it is when I think back on some of the irony-poisoned hateful young men I knew growing up, and in their case it is 💯 cope at seeing someone like her with real emotion.
I wasn't even the hugest fan of her music at first but holy shit did it grow on me.
Thank you Rima for this video. It has earned you a sub.
One of the first aspects of Mori I noticed was her openness regarding her flaws. Traditionally, an idol is supposed to uphold the veneer of perfection, but Calli simply did not do this. Her willingness to embrace her foibles and allow them to become as much a part of the Mori Calliope persona as herself, it was certainly going against the grain, violating a strict taboo in the idol community. Funnily enough, another one of Connor's controversial comments regarding the vtuber community (how they can be utterly psychotic at times in how they handle things) turned out to be prophetic regarding Mori's detractors. Although at the time I'm pretty sure he was saying that the community's clingy obsessiveness was what made them crazy, it is a scientific fact that the love of a vtuber community can be just as caustic and poisonous as their hate.
This may not be the place to say this, but my blood's up a little after watching the vid, so I'm gonna lay my feelings bare. The whole "racist accusation" thing is the stupidest nonsense ever. I mean...who hasn't been accused of doin' a racism on the Xitters at some point? It has become a cultural rite of passage at this point.
At the end of it all though, while Calli's controversies and missteps cannot be erased, it makes her one of the most real, one of the most genuine vtubers I follow, because it reminds me that behind the screen and the model, there's a real person there, a living, breathing soul with hopes, loves, dreams, doubts, smiles, and tears. She's real just like us, and her successes and failures are there for us to see. It's why I respect her. It's why I love her. Because she shows us that there's really someone there.
To top it off, Mori gave us Mythbreakers, and I will never allow such a creation to be forgotten. Like her, it wasn't a squeaky clean project, but it came from a place of genuine passion, and I heard that in her voice every time she DM'd for the group.
Sorry if this came off sappy or simpy, Rima. Your vid did what few others can do: it stirred some emotions in this old, bitter husk of a mortal shell.
Calli is awesome, idk how she can deal with so much hate while at the same still working hard and pushing through, truly the best Dad
because she dont, she's probably busy working than even dealing any of it
Calling a workhalic lazy has to be one of the greatest clown moments in anyone’s life
She had phase when she took part in multiple collabs where she either whispered to a $2 microphone, or barely even talked at all. I don't think that it's outrageous that somebody would call her lazy over that. The streams were just awkward to watch, especially when people were checking with her, whether she was even still there.
@@kaminekoch.7465then when she spoke up, ppl will say she is overpowering the other vtuber and taking control over the conversation.
Let be honest, anti spout too many retarded trash
@@kaminekoch.7465this take is absolutely insane like are you ok
@@kaminekoch.7465Was it laziness or was it just initial awkwardness at streaming though? She might’ve just been not that good at streaming at that point (I personally feel like she improved a lot since the beginning)
@@kaminekoch.7465 i don't think that awkward ≠ lazy. There is a huge difference between that and also lazy ≠ burnt out.
People like Calli earned their success, shes passionate about her music and I admire it.
She really shouldn't get the hate that she's getting. All she's doing is working hard, trying to be successful as an artist, and using her platform to achieve success. It's what anyone else would do! It isn't like she's doing anything shady.
I don't see anything beyond a casual friendship between Calli and CdawgVA. The closest thing I've seen to a romantic relationship from Connor is with Ironmouse, and both of them insist they're just good friends, which I choose to believe.
Gura is an adult, who doesn't need protection. If Gura considers it safe enough, then anything that happens later is on Gura herself.
Did Calli make a mistake? Yes, but was it critical? No.
Her rapping should be a matter of taste. I like it, but you don't have to. If she was appropriating Japanese culture, Hololive wouldn't have accepted her. As for "Black" music, there are several examples of accepted white rappers, and I don't see why she is different.
Because anti's have very predicable, almost coded responses
if: women = successful
then: print(hateful message)
The thing is that to most Asians "cultural appropriation" isn't a thing. We see it as "oh you like us and our culture? That's nice. Go wear and use our shxt, we insist."
It's the "getting ours and other Asian cultures mixed up" part that's annoying to us. I'm ethnic Chinese, and the amount of times I've been asked "do you know karate?" was so annoying. At least say KungFu or something bruh.
Cultural Appropriation isn't a thing to begin with. It's just another thing made up in the west to justify calling someone racist.
I'm not an expert on "current approved topics of Mori hatred", but I think her and Connor was more of a subject for controversy several years ago.
Gotta love how she just destroys everything the antis made up around her stuff.
Touch grass, kids.
Calli just keeps getting higher thanks to the fuel these "fans" gave her.
She knows what she's doing, and if she doesn't, she's got amazing ppl behind her, family and friends and staff.
"If you superchat me money and attack my friends or anyone else, I'm going to go to their stream and give it to them."
Just point blank pull no punches attitude. LOVE IT.
By the way the day I care about the opinions of Twitter or Reddit freaks, is the day I I check myself into an insane asylum.
i mean why not, they were gonna give money for connor to buy condoms anyways. so....
Haven't seen your channel before so I was a bit worried this was some hate video, glad it isn't! Such a nice overview too for someone who wasn't there for the whole ride.
I love Knox I'm so glad you brought him up!
Yeah it was a great idea to feature him as a counter to Brad
You see the differences between knox and brad is that the first is actually an artist, the second is just a clout chaser. On another note i really love calli's songs, especially the chilled ones like end of a life i think she really shines with her soft voice.
The outtakes are funny! I love Calli and she is the one that made me follow every Hololive member! It's sad to see your oshi getting hate but like her I don't care anymore! The numbers in views ,Spotify streams and the popularity speak more than the haters. Great job at these documentary series! SUBSCRIBED AND LIKED!
Probably one of the best breakdowns of events surrounding a vtuber I've seen. I'm already familiar with most of it but you provided so much context for people that wouldn't have seen any of it. Awesome job! The music review juxtaposition was well done. Pretty frustrating when people are critical of something but can't articulate beyond "this is bad i dont like" and they're supposed to be a critic or reviewer.
Thank you so much for making this, I’m a new Mori fan and this is all so heartbreaking to see. She makes incredible music and works extremely hard, as do her genmates and other hololive members as well. It really sucks seeing ppl who are jealous of Mori’s talent take advantage of her open nature to take shots at her when they just are angry ppl that need a target to punch. I can’t even imagine the mental pressure this has put her thru and still pushing thru it all while producing banger after banger is an incomprehensibly impressive achievement
Now I’m going to support her 3x as hard ❤
Can't wait for this
This is a good video.
I remember being recommended one of Brad's music review streams. As a fan of all of Calli's music, it made me physically ill to listen to his rambling, so I immediately down-voted the stream and prevented YT from recommending me his channel again. I had no idea he reacted to all of her discography.
I also got recommended some of his videos, mostly the "good songs with bad hooks" and "bad songs with good hooks" videos, I watched them and had no ill intent, he seemed like an alright guy.
I haven't watched the other videos in question just because I don't want to feel extreme ill and cringe on his reactions.
I have no ill will on the guy but he does need to control his fanbase sometimes tbh.
@@AshleighStent He tries. He released a video and statement telling his fans not to go after Calli, and inviting such bad actors to leave and never come back.
My first contact with him was a react of Suisei First Take video and he saying how bad she singed and how cringe Stellar Stellar is. That moment I knew that he is just a wall of bias and just want to criticize things he doesn't like without giving a real try.
So I just put his channel on block and moved on with my life
Yeah me too. He is a freaking loser. I don't know how I got recommended his crops, but I listened to the Calli videos. I was hoping he would eventually say something good about Calli, but never did. I wish I had my time I wasted on watching his stuff back.
I haven't even heard of the guy until now but just one look at him the moment he popped up in this video and I immediately understood he's just a pretentious douche obviously jealous of another person's success.
Didn't even need to hear him speak, he legit looks like he's high on something with that lazy eyed stare of his or whatever one calls it.
something i've noticed within corpo vtuber fandoms in particular is that once a vtuber says or does something that antis don't like (not even necessarily something bad), then every single other action that vtuber takes or things that vtuber says from that point onwards gets put under a magnifying glass by those antis as proof of how terrible they are. no matter how stupid or insane that proof would sound to an outsider.
Loved this! Thanks for doing it. Always happy to see more Deadbeat-adjacent content.
I have to say, i rarely watch drama and such, as i don't really care about those things but you are doing a ggood job researching things. You also seem like a genuily kind person.
I remember Calli was talking with a band (I don't fallow music so I don't remember which) and she plugged Ollie to them cause she knew she was a big fan of there's. That's who Calli is.
thank you for talking about brad taste!! ive had my thoughts on him but ive been way too scared to talk about them lol
I see so much of the "drama" and controversies that arise, not just around Calli, but in all of VTubing because its just a bunch of immature children not having the life experience to deal with situations appropriately. I'm 35 years old, I have a full-time job and bills to pay. I don't have the time or patience to go on Twitter or Reddit and complain about some perceived slight made by an online personality.
The vast majority of Calli's "controversies" were made FOR her, not because of her. They were turned into problems because VTuber fans are typically young, have social anxiety/anti-social issues, don't interact with people on a usual day-to-day basis and rarely detach from the Internet, thus they don't have the skills or reasoning to diffuse situations most adults have learned to do. Because let's face it, these "controversies" are incredibly childish nonsense that would have never happened if these people logged off and touched grass some more. And as mean as that may sound, the truth hurts sometimes and its part of growing up. And more VTuber fans need to learn that lesson and stop harassing others.
This is the longest explanation that I ever watch and LOST track of time, You were speaking as clearly and slow as possible and I truly appreciate that, I’m ADHD so I lose track easily but I was more then able to follow along with what You say. Honestly, from the bottom of my heart as a “Inspired poppyseed” Thank You ❤❤
Calli is more of an acquired taste for me, but what I admire from her aside from her work ethic is her loyalty to her friends. She will stand by them, defend them and die on that hill. People have no business "filtering" thise who she wants to be friends with. You try to mess with her and her friends, you get the scythe.
Agreed. I've liked and have watched some of her streams, but I don't follow her a lot, and I have little to no interest in her music, but I've always admired Calli for her hard work and her loyalty, which are things you don't always see nowadays, but I do feel are important. #1 Dad for sure.
People who accuse her of "acting black" have to have grown up in an environment where they didn't know any white people who liked rap (where I grew up was racially diverse and rap was what almost everybody was into, and Calli reminds me of someone who was really really into it)
People who accuse her of "acting Japanese" must either think real Japanese people act like anime characters or expect living in *and being a moderate celebrity in* a country not to rub off on her. And even then Calli is still the most stereotypically American talent in HoloEN by far, a lot of what people don't like about her is that.
this comment wasn't written by a black person...
@@playitcool1963 Because it was written by a mixed (black/ashkenazi) person.
On multiple occasions I've seen Calli bumper/window stickers on cars, just driving around.
Like, if anything is a sign of superlative success, that's gotta count.
Great job on the video, I appreciate how much research you clearly did for it.
The positions of the antis you brought up are so funny to me because most of them are somehow exactly the opposite of how things are.
-Calling a woman who thinks a single day off streaming to rest her voice is going to be enough of a "break" lazy is puzzling.
-Claiming Calli, who is often barely comfortable with sexual humor, is going to corrupt of all people IRyS, who is constantly making sexual humor, is absurd.
-Saying she doesn't care for her fellow vtubers is downright false. Out of everyone, she's the one I most often see praising or promoting the others. Often absolutely out of nowhere too. And like you pointed out, she will publicly stick up for the others whenever anyone comes after them, even in cases where it's clear if she does so it'll come at some kind of cost for her.
I seriously could not understand why people dislike(d) Mori so much so this video really helped me... understand? I mean frankly I still don't "understand" but I do at least know people's "reasoning" however poor/stupid I find it.
I'm glad Calli is still doing stuff, if not for her banger music I wouldn't have even found the Vtuber community - imo that makes her as "real" of an idol as any of the other members.
(Also, what Connor said wasn't even that bad lmao, he wasn't implying anyone in hololive didn't WORK to get into hololive, just that if they did manage to get in, they'd be set up for some form of major success which is true?)
This deserves so many more likes tbh. Was great to listen too without feeling like youre being overwhelmed by information.
I'm not into V-Tubers, but making a song for One Piece? Even if it's not for the anime, that's a huge success story. They don't choose just anyone for that, you know?
I also agree with the handful of takes I hear from her (especially about V-Tweeters), and think she has a nice singing voice, and a nice voice in general. People who think she's carried by the hololive branding don't understand what it takes to even get to that point.
more than anything you just respect her grind. i dont listen to her music that much, but keeping a good streaming schedule with her own stuff behind the scenes, she deserves all her success. so many hololive talents adore her work ethics above all, too. we respect our dorky grim reaper. oh and its gigg UK btw
If there's one constant about the internet, it's that there will always be a collection of truly disturbed people who make it their entire life's work to hate someone, or something. And posting mouth frothingly insane things on the internet about it is the only thing that gives them a sense of purpose and self worth.
Calli, Myth, and Hololive as a whole has actually improved my quality of life, motivating me in a way I had never felt before. I wouldnt be as active online as I am now were it not for Hololive. Calli's music spurs me to self-improvement and I am forever grateful for that. I was present for (and aware of) nearly all events in this video; as for the antis, I simply cannot understand them. In my experience if you hate something for long enough it becomes exhausting.
Calli is one of my biggest inspirations and a lot of it is due to how strong she is. She’s gone through so much and she’s still standing, even stronger than before. She’s my oshi through and through
I never understood this idea of idols and VT being this pure entity that should be untouchable and perfect. They are humans and are subjected to the same impulses and failures as anyone. But if you push through the failures, success is just around the corner. I think Mori is a fine example of that.