Dark Knight's Joker (Psychology Analysis)
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Heath Ledger's Joker is the quintessential picture of psychopathy in movies. But is this really consistent with what we see from him? In this follow up to Part I of the Bruce Wayne Diagnosis series we take a closer look at the Joker and how he shines light on Bruce Wayne's own trauma issues.
Link to Part One
• Batman's Villains Are ...
Joker (2019) Diagnosis is up now. : ua-cam.com/video/66vtGedN4F8/v-deo.html
8:00 "The internet vs 4chan"? Bruh, I think you mean 4chan vs the internet XDDD
Just found your channel. Love it.
At about 3minites. The joker knew that Batman wouldn’t kill him he just dared him. Knowing that Batman knew that if he did it all of Jokers seemingly nonsensical wonton destruction would end. But killing is something Batman couldn’t do. He’s never do and joker knew this he was toying with him psychologically. Same thing for Harvey. He knew he wanted justice, revenge, punishment for those who did what they did. Pointing out that Jokers little scheme wouldn’t of been possible if corrupt cops had been let to walk around freely in the open. He knew Harvey wouldn’t kill him. He was gambling on that coin flip to add to the psychological tug of war he was waging on everyone. Now if the coin had gone the other way it was possible Harvey would pull the trigger. However it’s still a movie, Harvey Dent pulling through trigger and killing Joker right there wouldn’t of been good for the movies story line which is why this scene is here. It wouldn’t be here if Joker would of been blown away. But the conversation he has with Harvey is what’s important. He lets him realize the real issue at hand. Joker wouldn’t be around if it wasn’t for the corruption and essentially Batman as well. When a extreme personality such as Batman’s surfaces there is often another extreme personality on the opposite end. Happens more so in movies and comics and such but you can see that in society as well. Extreme on one side or the other prompts the other side to make itself known and to take action to be loud enough for some to hear.
I think this is a great video. Very insightful and interesting. And I don't want to be that pedantic guy that feels the need to correct someone's pronunciation but I feel the need to say that it's not Psyco-PATHY, it's Psy-COP-athy. The stress is on the second syllable. Sorry but you're obviously very knowledgeable so saying the word conventionally gives you more cred. Again great video. I subbed also. Great job. 👍👍👍
@@fore54k3n you're absolutely right. You see the extremes in society all the time. In fact it's a well known phenomenon that the extremists on both sides of an issue are the ones making the most noise causing the majority of people that occupy the moderate/middle ground to choose sides. We're seeing that now with Trump supporters feeling emboldened to act out in the most extreme ways. Like supporting an obviously immoral, narcissistic, racist and corrupt wannabe dictator. While everyone else is scratching their heads wondering how such a person could accumulate so much support. But it's really just the loud fringe/extremists that think they're the majority but they're not. Not even close.
Great analysis though. 👍
Well to be honest I think you have to dig into each character, from each actor, because they all bleed into each other with the aspect of the characterization.
The Killing Joke.
They are opposites that expect something from each other, they complete each other, they are both broken, as men they are shadows of a human.
Joker as intelligent as he is takes nothing seriously hence he is always laughing(makeup well just the icon image) Batman is intelligent but he is always serious, to serious.
"Do I look like a guy with a plan?" says the guy with multiple complex revenge plans.
I feel like they're less plans, more balls in the air. He has bits of things all over the place, but no concrete plans.
@@MySerpentine the fact that he knows how to brainwash and manipulate people is more than enough proof that the joker has indeed plans.
well duh .... role reversal is a major component of comedy ...
@@takeshot3 Its like the person who claims to "just dabble" at something. That means a shark is in the water.
@Abigail Slaughter We're all entitled to our opinion, but as a combat veteran I know a complex attack when I see one. His escape with an IED surgically inserted in a mental patient timed for his escape says otherwise. The amount of variables that he successfully executes would make any CIA operations officer gizz themselves.
The most overlooked element of the ‘Joker is a veteran’ fan theory is the part where him and his goons impersonated the police honor guard. This means The Joker not only knew close order drill and the manual of arms with a rifle but knew it well enough to teach it to others. The Joker was definitely a veteran.
or he is just very good with guns and fitting in like his goons didn't know he wasn't another hired goon during the heist
Probably, or one of the goons taught him lol
Or he Googled it…
He just had UA-cam
Nah he's definitely a veteran suffering from PTSD
The writers of the movie watching this like "wow I'm good. I didn't even know that."
Ikr 😂
Writers don't need to be psychoanalysts, but they need to grasp human characters and symbols...
It’s like English teachers and Shakespeare, but Shakespeare is dead so he can’t exactly react
This video is extremely precise and smart. I love the characters and I’m perhaps more discerning myself because I’m a therapist.
Actually there is a cannon psychological description of him that describes him as having “all the symptoms of anti social personality disorder” rather than psychopathy.
Man, I always get hit with sadness realizing how excited Heath was doing this role, and never got to see how crucial it became.
His lifestyle was his own doing. His death was very preventable.
@@anthonyruggiero1988 insensitivity is a very common problem and is very preventable but look at you. Just because it's portable from one's prospective doesn't mean it's clear to the rest.
@John Barber he gave me a laugh or two.
@John Barber what the hell dude, actually yeah he saved my life. So how about you stop being purposely dense to create arguments.
He'd be proud of his work I'm sure of it, he touched a lot of hearts with his talented acting.
When Heath Ledger's Joker is accused of being crazy the way he says
"no I'm not" is absolutely brilliant
I just rewatched this movie earlier today, hence why I'm here, and I thought the exact same thing during that moment. Beautifully executed
If you pay attention when he say's that his right eye lid flutters.
I've always thought THIS joker was a former Black Ops Special Forces guy. He is meticulous in planning but able to quickly adapt, well trained in combat and able to withstand intense interrogation and confrontation and maintaining composure.
Pl
Yeah honestly this origin is much better than the 2019 jokers origin
he's certainly an ied expert or at least he prefers it
buymebluepills exactly
Soldier is one possibility but I'd suggest he could also be former intelligence agent or asset. Though the two aren't mutually exclusive. Either way our tax dollars have gone to make some very capable people.
I like this theory about the Joker being war veteran.
I remember this being a theory in film comics explained.
@@maxotto9877 I agree but the physical world we live in is not allegorical and people have origin stories. Learning the Jokers' story (in a real world setting) may not give us the solution to the bigger problem but it will get you there. If a real person were to try and come up with a logical background, this would be the most rational way to go about doing so.
Makes the most sense
BoTheJo fastest way to see a video is come to the comments :)
I prefer no back story. I'm sick of all the origin stories from comic stuff.
But to burst your bubble, I was in the military. One of the first things they do is take our fingerprints.
I’m sorry the way joker says “What doesn’t kill you simply makes you STRANGER.” Is the perfect stranger
It's "Batman" not "Bat Man".
At least we won't get a pun here.
Like, What doesn’t kill you simply makes you *strInger*
@@supercitygaming8238He never said Bat Man what you talking about.
It's kinda a thing in the comics that every psychiatrist that's attempted to diagnose Joker has come to a different conclusion and it's even been suggested that Joker intentionally misleads them based on what he believes they're predisposed to believe. If the latter is true than he is actually exceedingly good at understanding other people.
That’s very interesting! I intend to agree with this assessment.
It's because other people are incredibly short-sided and simple-minded. They think they won but by the time they realize it's already too late.
Psychopaths are good at understanding people intellectually
“I’m a rich guy with issues, lots of issues”
- Batman, Justice League Unlimited
The DCAU is a goddamn masterpiece.
I guess you can say he's a pretty sick guy.
@@CausticSpace “You must think I’m pretty sick, right?”
the comic book’s latest issue, pun intended
@@Andy-ld8zk untouchable by the bad stuff
Another line from the movie that points to the Joker being a veteran with PTSD is in the beginning when the clown asks the other clown..
"So why do they call him the Joker?"
"I hear he wears makeup"
"Makeup?"
"Yeah, ya know, war paint.. to scare people"
That's not something soldiers do.
@@johnrife7134
Yes it is, look at the real “Dirty Dozen,” also known as the Filthy 13. They sported warpaint and Mohawks.
Albeit, we’re talking about an alternate reality here - who knows, soldiers in that world could be going around in clown paint to scare people, you never know. Weirder things have happened.
@@johnrife7134 Some soldiers wear facepaint as camouflage. There's also a warrior mentality. Soldiers honor or imitate or at least acknowledge the practices of warriors in the past. Pvt. Joker may have never worn actual warpaint on duty, but he an other soldiers were aware of the importance of fear on the battlefield and were aware of the old warpaint custom. He may of only adopted the practice after retiring from service, but his service may have still inspired the practice.
see the Watchmen movie, the origin of gangs and vigilantes explanation scene.
Biggest is his knowledge of how to make IEDs
I never, for one moment, thought the Joker was insane or crazy in this movie. He did act so, but never was so. One thing that Ledger did SO very well, was show that he, in fact, was smarter than Bruce Wayne/Batman. Even if things did not go as Joker planned, he was a master of thinking on his feet, or even just "winging it" as it were. Joker knows enough about how the mind works, to turn any weakness to his advantage. I firmly believe that Joker also knew from the start, or had an idea of whom, Batman really was. I have watched this, out of this trilogy, many, many times and I catch new things, or have had things pointed out to me. And when you piece it all together, Joker really never set a foot wrong. He had more ears in the city than the rest of the crime lords and the police combined. Ledger did such a great job, I wish we could have seen him do this one more time, may he rest in peace. I liked him as an actor before this, but this movie, this part, just, wow. He proved with this roll he was truly one of the greats.
Definitely agree. I do think the joker was crazy but more in the sense that he allows himself to be crazy. Throughout the whole movie he always seems to be in complete control, of the situation and himself. He never really looses himself. He's in complete control of his emotions. He even pushes batman to snap a couple times through the movie.
You speak out of my soul
@@mikeholloway6938 Acting crazy infront of others seems like a great way to manipulate people for the joker.
I wouldnt say that Joker was smarter than Bruce. Cuz Bruce is extremly intelligent aswell. I'd say theyre on the same level.
Ham Roll?.
Bane: Wants to kill the bat
Wears a mask
Puts the city in quarantine
Joker: killed and robbed the whole mafia
and decreased the crime rate
Kinda made the city self aware,
by taking their heroes
Joker did this in probably the most douchey and pretentious way possible.
Agree,as for me Joker is the real hero here same as Thanos
I like it. But dude: *made. ;)
@@Mxrk_Hxshim wtf lmao
Stay woke 👁
i kind of like the idea that he's completely sane, the writers left his backstory intentionally mysterious but i think its scarier and more evocative if there just is no complex backstory.
Like Michael Myers
As someone that went through Basic Training, I can absolutely confirm they never once taught us to stab someone in the eye with a pencil. No matter how much we tried to get them to, they'd only show us the starving orphan v. knife technique.
.........wait a gosh darn moment......
Looking back basic training did start the process of accepting violence as a justifiable means to an end. I can see being a veteran how a joker type could be formed if no intervention or support person(s) were involved post trauma. My family and faith have kept me stable thru my experiences but I know I'd likely slip into a very dark mental state if things worked out different for me.
Do I EVEN want to know, curiosity gnawing at my innards, notwithstanding!?
@@petergant8767 lol, he's messing with you.
That's a fair point lol. But hey, we don't actually know how strong the Joker is.
There is one element, however, that people keep forgetting when they theorize about Ledger's Joker, and that he was, once, already incarcerated (or in "therapy") in Arkham.
Don't forget they end Batman Begins with Gordon telling Batman that a bunch of inmates are still running wild through the city, and one of them had "a taste for the theatrics, like you" and presented him a Joker playing card in an evidence bag.
This would mean that Joker was once already caught and captured by authorities and then deemed mentally unfit enough to be sent to Arkham... so what changed after the escape? Why was Ledger's Joker suddenly such a fearsome and unbeatable foe after his escape as opposed to before it? Can you imagine THIS Joker being taken alive by normal authorities if he didn't want to?
Don't forget that when the inmates escaped Arkham in Batman Begins, they did so under cover of a city-wide fog filled with scarecrow gas. All the reacquired inmates and criminals of Arkham, as well as the police force and any Gotham citizen exposed to the gas in those areas of the city, were given the antidote to dispel the gas's effects on their mind, but what about Joker or other inmates that managed to AVOID capture? Were they able to get access to the antidote? Would they even be in the right state of mind to LOOK for said antidote or understand what it is or their current situation?
The entire theme of the comic book character Joker is "the difference between me and you is one bad day", which does not generally mesh well with how real and complex real world mental issues work, but what if Ledger's Joker had a "one bad day" as well? What if being exposed to Scarecrow's toxin and being let loose onto the city streets full of Chaos was Ledger's Joker's "one bad day"?
Thematically it would still fit with the comic characters as well, as in the comics Joker made his full transformation by allegedly falling into a vat of chemicals that he fell into while fighting Batman in the Red Hood costume, but in this case Ledger's Joker would have been exposed to Scarecrow chemicals there were unleashed into Gotham specifically because of Bruce Wayne's connection to the city and the League of Shadows' plans to make it an example to society. This would explain Joker's fascination with Batman in the Nolanverse, especially if Joker was part of the infected crowd that witnessed Batman flying overhead appearing to them like a demon while suffering the effects of the toxin.
To be clear, I'm not disproving the former military theory at all, in fact I think that's still a probability to his character, but I also feel there was an additional event or catalyst between his former life or service and the state we see him in The Dark Knight that we did not see that truly, and irreversibly, weaponized his mind and motives into becoming the fearsome agent of chaos we see in the movie.
Maybe while he was being interrogated and tortured by his captors while still a military member , the group that was responsible for torturing him brought in the scarecrow as "the guy who gets things done" to do it cause the smile had no effect on him and that's why he keeps changing his story about how he got them cause scarecrows poison had wiped his memory about it in an extremely violent way by making him imagine all sorts of scenarios about how it happened. Scarecrows poison works on people's fears and at that point in time his biggest issue was him being afraid of them cutting him some more or the pain associated with it? just a thought. To further point out the "plan" angle... It wasn't in his plan to get caught and tortured and maybe he resents people with plans.
Well, no. The gas doesn't need a cure. Rachel and Batman needed it because they got a very high concentration of the gas. A deadly amount. But when Bruce was exposed to it during the league of shadows, he didn't need an antidote. The same could be said about everyone else. Everyone would eventually just get over it in time. Him having a military background also doesn't make any sense since there would be a data bank on people who enlisted, dead or alive. His fingerprint would probably be in there and from what we saw, he hadn't tampered with his fingerprints. I think the Joker's true story was with his father being an alcoholic but he made the scars himself. He ran away before his fingerprint would be recorded anywhere and before he was a teenager (as that's when many people's faces actually begin to change and whatnot). He might have also just been born a genius. An expert planner. He had plenty of time to train and do whatever he needed. I think he realized that he needed to be seen as the villain to save his city. But it's a far fetched theory with little to no proof
He failed in protection & lost lives. Instead of focusing sobriety he remained sinful. Suffice to say his being exposed & poisoned by Scare Crow is a certainty. Psychedelics being what they are was what mainly debilitated him.....also cured him albeit temporarily. His willful ignorance broke his psyche & shattered his self respect. A person perverse in denial & saddened by himself. 🤡
Knowing the joker, getting caught was probably part of the plan, he could then in the asylum, start to gather men to fight for him. It's stated that he attracts the mentally ill to work for him, and chances are he knew about scarecrow. Get carried into the asylum and relax for a few months, gather a ton of men, and then escape because of scarecrow and his plan. It was EXACTLY where and when he wanted to be. He isn't mentally ill, actually he couldn't be further from it, ironic enough.
Running with your theory... Lets say LT Joe Carr, served in the Middle East... got Captured, was abused in unspeakable ways... then he gets rescued, gets 'therapy' and Tries to assume a functional Life... Once Home he's going about his days as countless Veterans do... His 'Bad Day' comes in the form of an encounter with a Middle Eastern Shop Keeper who yells at him for holding up the line or having an empty Debit Card, which triggers a Flashback... Joe proceeds to full beast mode on this Innocent man and beats him half to death (or farther)
he's Clearly 'broken' so he's not 'responsible.
He's still 'Joe' so he's easily Taken alive...
Arkham isn't all Rogues Gallery Level Villains, so that is where he lands...
As he serves out his term his Metamorphosis starts to Kick in... and he's less and Less Joe Carr as the days progress
By chance a well/poorly timed card game Finds him Holding a Joker Card as he sees one of Bruce's Escapades play out on the News... and he recognized the shared psychosis in which he decides it 'that guy' can become 'Fear incarnate' as a Bat... I too can become 'Chaos Incarnate' as this wild card, This Joker...
It’s amazing to me that this version of Joker is one of the most analyzed and critiqued fictional characters in history. Now he’s being used to represent a quintessential aspect of the human psyche.
Amazing.
The world uses movies and tv to analyze mental illness. Hardly impressive
Joker is this generation's Othello.
Well Ledger had an unbelievable performance in this movie, obviously directed amazingly as well, but it's a damn shame we never saw another one with him..
I have always had this feeling that this version of the Joker allows himself to be this extensively analyzed becasue he is simply a badly written character, possibly based on a severe misunderstanding of a mental illness. Rewatching Nolan's takes on Batman I could never get rid of this feeling that these are not good movies, they just try to be as dramatic and shocking as possible, while all the characters are really just one-dymensional cutout shapes that the writers themselves did not at all think out as thouroughly as the random analyst on youtube or any fan for that matter. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Willarious's analysis and I wish he would upload more frequently; I just really don't like these movies and don't think there's actually this much to analyze in them...
@@weirdlittlesister He is well written though...hell, he isn't even supposed to be interpreted as some psychologically scarred character. This is in-line with the comics where we don't really know his true backstory and everything we do know is merely manipulation on his part to affect other people. The man is perfectly sane, something he makes clear several times and has proven it too
That military backstory for this version of the Joker really blew my mind.
“So instead of avoiding the dark alley, they become the dark alley”
Ahh. So instead of the Joker avoiding the deconstruction of civility in the places he was sent to as a military agent, he sows the destruction of the breaking of civilization as the Joker. A method of rationalizing the horror he saw as a military agent by showing just how frail civility is in Gotham. He wants others to see & experience what he went through.
That ... makes quite a bit of sense!
Funny he said that, because in Batman Begins Ras Al Ghul tells Bruce that in order to conquer fear, you have to become it. I guess the writers used that same principle and incorporated it into The Dark Knight.
That bit reminded me of something... I dunno if you've ever seen the Clint Eastwood movie Unforgiven, but I once read a psychoanalysis on Eastwood's character in it. He plays an apparently reformed gunslinger, who's put his past life of drunken violence and killing behind him, to settle down with his wife and children. But agrees to one last hit job, just to earn some money for his kids.
At various points in the film he alludes to a deeply rooted fear of death... He talks about being haunted by the image of a man he shot through the mouth, who's teeth came out the back of his head, and in a feverish state he says he saw what he calls the "Angel of Death", with snake eyes, and his deceased wife's face being devoured by worms.
To cut a long story short, the analysis concluded that his fear of death is what ultimately drove him to become a killer in the first place. In his mind he became the Angel of Death, the very thing he feared most of all, because it was the only way he could have power over it.
Something else I just realized that's similar between Bruce Wayne/Batman and the Joker is that neither of them like to/want to get too close to anyone. If both characters suffer from PTSD, then it makes sense.
Bruce lost his parents -- 2 people he deeply loved and was close to -- and avoids close, interpersonal relationships. He, even, keeps Alfred at a certain distance because he knows what it's like to lose someone you dearly love and doesn't want to feel that pain again. Working from the soldier with PTSD theory surrounding Joker from the Dark Knight, that may explain why he doesn't get too close to others -- whether he's working with them to blow up the city or his courting them, i.e. Harley Quinn. He knows what it's like to lose or be betrayed by those close to you who are "part of the plan". He doesn't want to feel that pain of or stabbed in the back by those in whom he placed his trust.
They're both men in pain with very different coping mechanisms.
This version of the Joker is definitely ex-military/possible CIA or FBI. Throughout the whole movie he is constantly applying the tactics of Maneuver Warfare. Best demonstrated when he attends the party where the Gotham elites aand Rachel are in attendance. He has identified the targets (batman) center of gravity aka attacking large groups of pedestrians to draw him out. He then sets and maintains favorable terms of battle aka he holds those same innocent people at gun or knife point knowing full well batman won't risk their lives to do something crazy to capture the joker. Lastly, he finds and exploits the gap in his enemies strength, he does this by taking Rachel hostage and dropping her out of the window. This is a huge moment for both batman and the joker, because batman without hesitation, jumps from the building to save Rachel, no doubt whatsoever. In doing so batman has just left an entire room of Gothams most elite and innocent citizens with the murderous Joker. Batman has shown to the Joker what he truly cares about, what he is willing to give up to save. It's so subtle but such an amazing scene, this movie is just incredible to re-watch and catch these little things.
One thing I always remember about the joker is that he is theorized to have super sanity. In short, the joker knows he’s in comics/tv shows/movies. Thus he doesn’t want to be erased by being boring.
"Beyond evil, there is insanity. Beyond insanity, there is . . . _The _*_Joker."_*
Heath's Joker was simply full of anger.. something we can identify with. The comics version is full of happiness while committing atrocities, which is truly insane. I'm a long time Bat-verse fan, and the comic book version of Joker does things in the moment that sometimes even I don't understand. Heath's Joker strikes out at a world that betrayed him at some point(and it WAS done brilliantly) However, the comics version is something else entirely. He feeds on fear and chaos. There's no chip on his shoulder. He's like Pennywise without the powers.
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I agree. I've always found Ledgers joker to be particularly menacing because the underlying emotion I felt coming from him at all times was rage. Pure, barely restrained, rage. Like when the mobsters called him crazy, the look in his eyes, and the way he spoke "no. I'm noT. He acts chaotic and goofy at times, but hes always menacing.
when joker asks "wanna know how I got these scars?" Maybe he wasn't talking about on his face. What if he was asking about his psychological scars?
Maybe he didn't lie to Rachel , Harry and Micheal jail white's character. What if each of those stories chipped away at him mentally thus creating a scar.
Very nice!
@@alexgaytan3481 just thinking that before I saw this comment, his scars from the pain he endured are shown in his actions and overall theme in his appearance, he stands out yet is not known, could be a nod to human nature. He appears to be chaotic while actually being himself in the faces of people who are the complete opposite.. idk🤣
@@Caylajoelle very nice
@@Caylajoelle very true.... 🥸
@@alexgaytan3481 crazy shit
Gambel: You’re crazy
Joker: I’m not. No I’m not.
But this is specifically the Nolan Joker, not in general DC joker.
@Abigail Slaughter The amount of videos that could be made about The Joker in video media alone are staggering. The Batman:Arkham games, Injustice, Nicholson's portrayal, Leto's portrayal, Michael Emerson in The Dark Knight Returns part 1, and of course Hamill in The Killing Joke. My favorite thing about the character is that there are so many interpretations. Even when they aren't well received (Leto), it's fascinating to see what decisions are made to make the character unique.
@Abigail Slaughter Leto's portrayal of the Joker was off putting, but I didn't hate it. For context, I took my younger brother with me to see Suicide Squad in theaters. God, do I miss theaters. Anyway, after the movie I asked him if he liked the movie, which he did. Then I asked about the Joker. He said he didn't like him. I expected as much, but when I asked why, he said that he scared him. My brother is one belt below black belt, and at that time he was a few belts lower, but not by much. He isn't scared of much at all. Leto's Joker scared him because he didn't act like a guy, he acted like a literal animal, stalking prey, growling, and acting territorial with Harley. And man was he mean. The off screen "method acting" aside, Leto took some serious risks with the character that makes him stand out, for better or worse, from every other actor before or since.
@Abigail Slaughter ledger is far from the most brutal joker lol
Finally someone knows the difference ledger was just a version but simply not the real joker
@Abigail Slaughter imo the best written interpretation of both batman and joker from the arkham verse it had the perfect representation of batman and joker
I actually never knew the actual definition of the word psychopath lol if you asked a common person what is a psychopath they’ll probably get it completely wrong
It would probably be the same if you asked a random mental health professional. The issue is, like with so many of the other older concepts in psychology it has had many changing definitions.
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I'd be very interested to see your take on Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. I think this new Joker is a very interesting character. I'm thinking sociopath for him.
SPOILER ALERT LOL! I'm still trying to get a chance to see it myself, but from what I've heard I feel like he would be an ideal patient here at the FCMHC. Stay tuned :)
Victor Reigns he’s not a sociopath he replaced the social norms and values with his own since he loss his attachment to society. Check the social control of delinquent behavior theory and look at the four attachments to society. The joker loss those and so was more inclined to encage in criminal behavior.
Victor Reigns sociopaths dont have feelings. Therefore he would never be sad or experience depression
@@MyWifesSon69 Thats not necessarily true, thats true for psychopaths not sociopaths.
I believe the new one is psychopathic. But he isn't in a sustained episode of any one emotion for too long of a time. Remember Psychopaths feel extreme emotions. In Joker, we see him feel extreme sadness, extreme anger, extreme fear, extreme happiness, and there may be more I don't know. This suggests to me he may have some kind of bipolar or manic depressive disorder. So perhaps some kind of Bipolar Psychopath?
Heath's Joker was the first time Batman's character was overshadowed. Not even Jack Nicholson's Joker did that. That says quite a lot about Heath's incredible acting.
My own theory on the Joker is that he’s a self aware comic book character. He thinks nothing of killing other people because he knows they are not real. He doesn’t fear death because he knows he will always come back. He knows that there are, and even participates in creating more, different and conflicting back stories. He knows that they never really happened. He has never been anything but The Joker and he’s perfectly aware of it.
He’s the only self aware person in his entire universe. As such, he has unlimited power within that universe but he’s also terribly lonely. He wants just some other self aware person to just talk to.
He suspects that Batman might also be self aware but he wants proof. It is strictly against Batman’s code to kill another human being. To actually kill someone, the Batman must be self aware enough to override his code. He’ll only break from the archetype and actually kill the Joker if he is real person and not just another comic book character. And so he’s trying to find a way to provoke the Batman into actually killing him.
He’s not worried about dying because he already knows he somehow come back.
He said as much in the Injustices storyline. In injustices, the Joker chooses to provoke Superman instead of Batman. Superman doesn’t waste anytime at all in just killing him once and for all. Before Superman does kill him, the Batman asks him why he went after Superman, the Joker tells him that he always loses against Batman. He decided to try playing the game with the setting on easy for once. Going from Batman to Superman isn’t setting the controls on easy if the goal is to over power and defeat the opponent. It is though if the goal is to provoke the opponent into killing.
Superman shows up and punches through the joker’s chest into his heart and out his back killing him. He wins.
And he comes back because it was in just an alternate universe with just an alternate timeline.
In the main storyline, he’s alive again and still looking for ways to provoke Batman into killing him.
Superman was easier because he. is scripted to behave as if he actually cares about other people. But that’s why him killing the Joker doesn’t really count.
Batman’s character isn’t scripted to behave like he cares about other people. That’s part of the reason that the Joker thinks Batman might also be self aware. The Joker feels no connection with other people and knows it’s because they aren’t real. He sees that Batman likewise feels no real connection with other people but suspects that instead of that just being the way he’s scripted, it might be because Batman can sense that other people in their world aren’t real, even if he isn’t consciously aware of it.
The Joker’s challenge is to somehow get Batman to act against the script. Batman is scripted to behave like he cares about the code and the mission. He acts to force a situation where Batman has to choose between the code and the mission. The code is internal whereas the mission is external. The code is more central to the character than the mission. And so only by an act of free conscience choice can Batman act against the code.
In the event that Batman ever does actually kill him, he’ll somehow come back just like he always does. But when he comes back that time, things will be different. Instead of fighting with Batman, he will reach out to Batman as another lost soul who trapped in an existence where no one else is real.
Don't know if this has been covered yet, but how about dissecting Willy Wonka's mental health
@MrFattyfatfatboy didn't know that bonkers was a medical term, but I believe it.
I'd like to see it.
Peter Pan syndrome
There could be a case made for PTSD with narcissistic traits.
@@sydneyd2094 I'd say abandonment issues would be sprinkled in there too
The Joker even tells the Batman, "You complete me!" He is making Wayne's Batman (and himself) a whole person, destroying each other as archetypes.
I've always backed the Vet theory. Even more, he was probably into some very dark shit while in the military. Something that would cause his record, or lack thereof, to make more sense.
You think he was involved in black magic while in the military?
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@@theMcWOPPER Joker isn't the Tempel Ov Blood inner circle lmfao
He took part in a black operation gone south. Since he is a tier 1 operator all records of him have been dismissed, and left alone to die. Thing is, he didn't die!
In depth knowledge of interrogation techniques? The ability to infiltrate the ranks of uniformed people? The ability to organize a small group of individuals to cause terror for them? Yea, Joker was a war vet dealing with some serious black ops stuff. They wiped his record or that shit never existed in the first place.
I have Asperger's syndrome (or whatever the hell they call it these days). I had a diagnosed psychopath as a best friend for twenty years- it only worked because I never displayed fear behaviors to him. That made him feel "safe" around me, not needing to pretend to be normal.
I agree completely with your assessment of Ledger's Joker, except I lean to the fan theory that he was a CIA operative who couldn't cope with something he saw or did, and decided that *all* rules are arbitrary. If he could face whatever broke his mind, he'd change rapidly, but he can't.
That’s really interesting. What do you think made him want to be friends with you, given that psychopaths can’t really bond with others?
Good to know I'm writing a character accurately! She has many ASPD traits, and she only admires people who she can't easily terrify. If you become intimidated by her, she discards the prospect of talking to you. Both because she finds the lack of strength irritating and because she dislikes terrifying people who've done nothing wrong. It's not as satisfying that way.
Her only friends are those who are willing to stand up to her. She treasures them, and refuses to spend time with those more spineless. Both because she'll hurt them emotionally (and she doesn't want that) and it's tiring to constantly hide all her emotions.
Her only two friends are Asran (autistic and schizoid, easily ignores her outbursts of rage and responds calmly), and Dotto, a paranoid schizophrenic who has seen things infinitely worse than her and such can easily put up with her.
Dotto bonds with her over a mutual love of fashion and traumatic childhoods. Dotto was disowned because he was hard to take care of, so he is deeply loyal to his friends, swearing never to give up on those he loves no matter how hard it gets. In turn, Lumin protects them and quite happily punches anyone who threatens them.
I think that you're on to something with the Chaos Kampf angle. I think that Joker IS nihilism, at a deep-essence-of-being level. Speaking as a terrifying DC villain however, if I wanted to cure Joker, I would lock him in a very serene, safe environment, and give him doses of mushrooms, lsd, mescalin, and peyote daily. The goal would be to make him trip so hard for so long it effectively erases his mind, and then to let him naturally build a new personality slowly, over time, (hopefully as a less frightening and violent person).
First of, thank you for this video! As a student in psychology I love this type of vids! I have been binging Joker videos and one pointed out that in Dent's hospital room, he presses the revolver against his forehead BUT STILL HOLDS BACK THE HAMMER WITH HIS FINGERS IN CASE HARVEY PULLS THE TRIGGER. Kinda gives depth to his behavior... I don't know if it was a conscious move on his part to keep control of the gun's hammer. Have a good day
Thank You Maxime we appreciate the feedback. Do you know who made the video analyzing the hospital scene because you're right that does change the implications of his behavior in that scene. I still think the money burning and almost getting hit with are more consistent with the psychological profile of a terrorist than a psychopath will elaborate on this point more when we discuss Bane in our next video. We would love to hear your take on that one! :)
Yeah, but the grenades scene with the mob....that is not self preservation. In fact in most of the film he shows a dfisregard for his own safety that is not consistent with a Psychopath.
@@cyagen9782 How do you know that the grenades were really live?
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 In the movie, the Joker never bluffed....why would he do it there?
Actually, that's probably less an artistic take on the character's mental health state, and more of a take on the actor/director/prop master just having some common sense. Rule number one when dealing with prop weapons: Always treat them as if they're not props (ask Brandon Lee). Even a "blank" fired when pressed to the temple can be enough to seriously injure and even kill someone. The only real difference between a blank and a regular bullet, is that the blank doesn't have the projectile tip that's usually wedged into the casing. The gun powder that provides the force pushing that projectile tip is still present in both which means at the very least you're going to have muzzle flash that can severely burn skin, hair, and clothing - also if the barrel is pushed into softer flesh (like the temples of the skull) then that means you have a blast chamber still has to have somewhere for the controlled explosion of the gun powder to go to when it ignites. The explosive power is going to need SOMEWHERE to vent and in that match-up even just a few millimeters of hardened steel, is going to beat out the squishy flesh of your body every time.
tl;dr - somebody who might have taken a few classes on how to be a shrink, or may have some complex film theory for why the Joker had his fingers positioned in a certain way, but for all they know Heath Ledger the actor might just have been a little leery to have his brains splattered all over prop bedpans. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nolan made a movie more than 10years ago...
Still now researches are going on the movie
Nolan *is* a master
The Dark Knight Joker will forever be my favorite, and your analysis mirrors my own. I came to a similar understanding of the character... because I was diagnosed with PTSD, from a severely traumatic experience. My avoidance was so severe that I was hospitalized, in the psych ward at 24 and I didn’t tell the doctors what had happened to me. I told them I was sad my cat died and that’s why I was suicidally depressed. An astute psychologist called my parents and asked what the hell had really happened to me and figured out immediately that it was PTSD. I would’ve never told them, because I didn’t want to talk about it. Even though my life had fallen apart. When I watched that movie I totally *got* the joker, even though he was horrible. Something terribly unjust happened to that character and that informed his dim view of humanity. That’s a broken personality as opposed to one just innately devoid of empathy. He made up stories about his backstory in classic avoidance. Anyway, enjoyed this
thats likely not ptsd. much more likely to be borderline personality disorder/ bpd.
@@edwardchavez3288 oh definitely. My PTSD resulted in a really cynical world view for a while, but it was temporary. At *no* point did I ever have any desire to hurt others the way I had been hurt. BUT, I can see a traumatic experience or series of traumatic events at a formative age pushing certain people towards one of those personality disorders. I had enough positive experiences in life to know it wasn’t ALL bad and cynical. I retreated into cynicism after a damaging experience to be less vulnerable to getting hurt again, but it never become who I was and was able to find hope again through therapy and self work. Ledger’s Joker was locked in, the cement had hardened into a terminally dangerous person
I hope you’re doing well now bro 🙏
Heath was not,and now(?) Never will be the joker.
Yeah. He ACTS. But all the shit you think going thro' , yeah my experiences will smash you into the ground my friend.
Stop thinking that shite like this has ANY relevance to life. And if you do, really need to recover, stoping relating to this crap will be your first steps.
I love this version of the Joker in the sense that he is an ex military man.
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Your take on Archetypes is refreshing and new for me.
I knew a marine who's company call sign was jester. He was mildly disturbed by clowns. Can't read to much into that though.
Wait! That makes sense! Why do you think the Joker use clown masks for the bank robbery? Perhaps the Joker deep down fears clowns so by using clown masks it gave him an excuse to kill all the robbers.
@@HybridSpektar Didn't the video say men with PTSD become whom they fear? Maybe Joker became a clown like Batman became a "dark alley", because both were disturbed by those very things.
@@sarasaiti1755 Batman was also deathly afraid of bats at the start of Batman Begins
I think he was a C.I.A. operative that got a whole bus load of soldiers blown up by arming the wrong people. He may have been present for the surprise.
Some comment that there would be a record of him when they looked for info on him, though two movies come to mind argue against that. In "A Few Good Men" when Kevin Bacon mentions the guy's specialty in counter intelligence, "there is no Markinson." Also Apocalypse Now, the Joker could of been "shot with a diamond" and never looked back.
This is a fantastic video, I swear I thought this said 1.9m views not 1.9k
Criminally underrated
This is my new favorite youtube channel. I went to college for forensic psychology, and we did a character diagnosis for Miles in Sideways (2004)-one we were given grades on, but she never returned our papers and I LOST ALL OF THAT WORK BECAUSE WE HAD TO HAND WRITE IT-and I made a whole ass list of films that I wanted to do this sort of thing with.
I also follow the headcanon that the Joker is a veteran-in the interrogation scene, it can go both ways that he would know what getting his own head slammed into a table would do to him cognitively from experience as a POW or regular old crime shit. I kinda err on categorizing him as a garden variety sane person who lost the will to care about anything but sending a message. He says he's not crazy, and he isn't. He's just good at leaning into the "look" he's going for. Embracing the Glasgow smile until it's all people will remember about him. The crazy makeup and the scar that he makes up stories about.
It's a scare tactic. The look puts people way off guard because who in their right mind would wear clown makeup 24/7 and not fear death. Of course he doesn't fear death. He probably knows what it feels like; or at least close to it. That doesn't make him crazy. Just apathetic.
From a production standpoint, the interrogation scene is my favorite in the whole movie for several reasons, but mostly for the way it's lit. The way Christian Bale's eye's are obscured to the point that the light reflecting on them make it look like he's a frickin bat (watch that scene with your eyes unfocused and you'll see what I mean) and then for Heath Ledger's performance and insistence that Christian beat the shit out of him for real because I don't see how they could have filmed that otherwise and still feel that intense.
*Batman goes through something traumatic which he bases his entire life around* “Batman has post traumatic stress disorder” 🙀
When the Joker lets Harvy point a gun to his head, his finger is always on the hammer, holding it back so if Harvy did decide to shoot, the hammer wouldn't drop.
Not so. I noticed your comment before watching the video, so I looked for it. His finger moves off and on the hammer, and is never really securely gripping it. Dent could have shot him any number of times during the sequence.
@@WalterLiddy thank you!
i doubt his thumb would've stopped the hammer unless he was flexing in anticipation for the shot
I don’t think a finger would stop a hammer not without causing major damage
The whole point to that scene is making Dent the new villain, inspiring him, making he believe that he was abandoned by the city and batman. Even if it means his own death.
Also think about this his fingerprints drivers license and any other records weren't in any system which means he had to have been erased which would suggest Black Ops operative or kite (something goes wrong you dont exist string is cut)
That's not true. But it is possible for records to be lost, destroyed, or not digitally archived.
@Hindadubfing Official The freedom of information act doesn't cover classified information, and most classified stuff has a minimum 50 year period before it's declassified.
@Hindadubfing Official Yep
@Hindadubfing Official And I explained why it wouldn't happen. I guess you thought I misread what you said and was arguing with you? No I'm adding to what you said.
@@MostlyPonies1 You don't understand military or special ops do you?
The Joker (in most incarnations) is basically depressed. He's suicidal. The world as he sees it is chaotic and harmful; so he tries to shape the world to that view.
What he wants is to stop living in that world, and the only way he can do that is for Batman- the representation of 'order'- to kill him, and make his existence orderly/rational. But Batman won't do it.
Underrated commented. It's surprising most people don't touch on his suicidal tendencies.
I disagree. Being depressed doesn't mean you commit mass murder.
In MOST incarnations of the joker he is indeed your usual depiction of a "psychopathic" self-aware serial killer. If anything, it's only some few recent depictions that interprets him more as a mentally ill broken person who seems "not quite there".
He himself is an agent of chaos and harm. Most of his "issues" are purely defined by his own egocentric worldview and anything that insults this ego. And has been repeatedly depicted as a compulsively violent sadist who will inflict unnecessary suffering on others for the sole purpose of his own entertainment that served no purpose or "message" to society.
He can't be defined as "suicidal" in most cases. Sure, he does things that can get him killed.. But that doesn't make him suicidal. For the same reason you can't define a soldier, a terrorist, a drug addict or a daredevil like a skydiver or mountain climber as "suicidal" just because what they are doing can kill them. They are not doing what they are doing because they are driven by a "I want to die"-mindset. instead, they are careless to death because of a strong ideaology, a sense of serving a important purpose, or simply because their desires and pleasure "kick" outweighs their fear of death. But this is fundamentally different from a truly suicidal person who doesn't want to live.
@@merlith4650 There are clear examples where Joker has suicidal fantasies besides just doing things that are dangerous.
He would kill Bats with it too. Defeating him by getting him to break his one rule. Only way to win. Get him to kill you, so Bats gets a taste of what he fears the most. So he will become what he fought against.
He’s not depressed he’s sadomasochistic and psychopathic
8:58--Wow. Just wow. You should get a writing and insight award for this video. You've utterly evoked the tragedy of these wounded men...
I like the idea that the Joker doesn't have a backstory. Or at least one that matters. I think knowing it fully can defeat the point. I don't think having stories over it is bad, but I like the idea of not having one too.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Like he said in Killing Joke, he likes to have his backstory be multiple choice
Note his contradictory stories about how his lips got cut up. One cannot predict the Joker's past.
just discoverd ur channel. U mix two of my favourite things in live: pshychology and movies. Love the concept and the content!
Thanks Andreas! What are some of your favorite movies?
This would explain why The Batman does not take down The Joker , instead wanting to get him help . Vice a versa The Joker loves The Batman , because they understand each other.
Oooo love The Animated Series Joker music in the beginning.
Heath Ledger himself called Joker a psychopathic clown and a creep. He is the one who conveyed this character and as such, his assessment is worth more than everyone in this comment section combined.
There's also the theory that he knows he's fucked up on the inside. His last gambit in the film is to prove that everyone is just as fucked up as he is, because he is alone. He's ostracized himself from social interaction. This one can go a few ways, like he's trying to convince himself that people are fucked up like him. Or that he's trying to make everyone morally equal. I like this interpretation of the Joker because he's so vague but so specific. You never really know what he wants. We have hundreds of fan theories because he's such a compelling character.
I've been telling everyone Joker's origin story is Full Metal Jacket the character's name is literally the Joker
Please don't, private joker was stupid fuck
@@mikolajkrawiecki884 "Private Joker, why did you join my beloved core?"
"Sir, to kill, Sir!"
"So you're a killer, huh?"
"Sir, yes, Sir!"
And what does the Joker do throughout the whole movie? Theory checks out. GeNiUs!
He's described as "super sane" in the comics.
Yeah but it's always either him or Harley who says that. I wouldn't call them a reputable sources.
All crazy people think they are sane.
I made a philosophy of his HIT ME line when batman faces him. It has become a spiritual ideal to me. I am grateful for this.
The Joker is, in some perspectives, a "reincarnation" of Sun Tsu. He doesn't meagerly deceive to gain the upper hand in relation to a short term objective but uses deception on a strategic level to conceal long term objectives, misinform the observer concerning the strategem he is employing in order to lead the enemy into responding with the wrong playbook move and make it impossible to predict where he's going to turn up next and what he's going to do. This is good generalship. Speaking from the experience of someone very close to me, it's also one of the hallmarks of PTSD when the victim has reason to conclude that society is complicit in his or her abuse.
I’ve never heard this version before. Interesting to think about where joker picked up his master hand to hand combatant (specifically short blades)
I'm sure 4chan appreciates being compared to the joker
I speak on behalf of us 4channers and we dont care :D
Do cartman lol
LOL! I don't even know where to start there!
@@WillariousTheTherapist his baby dick insecurity, lack of dad, mom and weight seem like clues
Ya know i can actually het behind the soldier thing, because I always thought that was a weird comparison, a gang banger or some soldiers...they seem almost polar opposite, good eye
Allot of Americans gangs started out as a way for the public to self police but in order to get the funds to take up such an act they also participated in the illegal black market. This created territory battles and encouraged warlord mentalities that deviated them from their original purpose
Excatly what I thought.
In most cases gangs are formed by Military. There's this group in Nicauraga or Gautemala of Ex-Military that go hunting down and killing MS-13, Friekorps could be considered a gang as well, and of course, a lot of Africa has gangs with Ex-Military.
Damn. That emotional avoidance of PTSD hit home. I told myself I'd never be a victim again, and i meant that. I'd rather die fighting now than to ever be subjected to that feeling of cowardice and helplessness again.
3:50 I swear I did not see that twist coming! 😂 it was too good. 8:17 also love how you put this as Batman and the joker or lesser version of us which is what joker meant when he said he “ brought Harvey down to our level “.
Alfred : "Some men want to watch the world burn"
also Alfred : "We burned the forest down"
Alfred when in Burma was the invader who came to corrupt (buying off chieftains with jewels) and destroy the native peoples world... the thief was trying to prevent this by stealing the jewels and throwing them away. Alfred then burned the forest down enraged that a single person could prevent him and his friends from corrupting the natural order of the natives homeland... Alfred burned them all alive and with it their homes their culture and everything that made the natives who they were ...
Alfred is the man who wants to watch the world burn..
Well that's the Joker's argument, isn't it. Alfred represents 'the plan'. He cannot understand the motives of a man who isn't invested in 'the plan'. His outlook is simpler than the Joker's.
@Ricardo Santos yep ... so think about Batman/Bruce Wayne...
Why were his parents killed?
Robbery right?
Now ask yourself this what is the motivation for 95% of crime?
Acquiring money. With 5% being crimes of compulsion.
Hookers? Money
Drug dealers? Money
Murder for hire? Money
Theft? Money
So on and so forth...
Now what kind of economic system does Bruce Wayne support and advocate for?
A money based economy right? Billionaire Bruce Wayne... (yes capitalism and communism are both money based systems one is private business ownership the other is state business ownership both are In the business of making money)
So Bruce Wayne supports the very system that caused his parents murder and all the numerous criminals he fights as Batman...
A never ending cycle for him...
Now if Gotham city used a Resource Based Economy where the acquisition of wealth was no longer the motivation for people but instead bettering themselves and the rest of society was the driving force and the citizens were give the goods and services they want and need free of cost... they would have a reduction of crime by 95% and Batman could focus solely on the true psychopaths (arsons, pedophiles, rapist, serial killers) he could make a bigger impact while using fewer resources and and energy...
TL;DR
Batman/Bruce Wayne is a major contributor to the system that breeds the same type of criminals that killed his parents
@@KenMabie you're talking about a Utopian society which has never worked.
@@ricocarrillo1945 actually no I'm not... Utopia means literally no more problems what so ever.
In a RBE there are still diseases to cure space to explore and still that 5% of criminals (serial killers, pedophiles, rapists, arsonists, etc) that need to be dealt with...
It's not utopia by a long shot it just a much better system than has ever been tried before.
Please learn the difference between paradise/utopia and a better socioeconomic system that reduces the trivial bullshit of society...
Oh look if drug dealers don't need to deal drugs to get goods and services then ... Why would they ever sell drugs? Meaning less availability for people meaning huge reduction in available drugs meaning much less people addicted to drugs..
Wow look at that... I just solved the hard drug (cocaine, heroin, meth, etc) problem and reduced the opioid crisis to virtually zero...
Why Rob your neighbor when "keeping up with the Joneses" is as easy as going to the store and just taking the same thing for free.. no cost...
Why steal from your neighbor to fuel a drug habit from buying drugs from a dealer when
A. The dealer no longer needs to deal
B. He doesn't need the property or the money
C. 99.9% of dealers are out of business
Why would young girls hook themselves? To fuel drug habits? To pay for rent/mortgage? Etc etc etc...
Bottom line... It's not a utopia when there are still 5% undesirables and still cancer, aids, CoVid Kung Flu, Ebola, etc etc etc to cure....
It's not a utopia when there is 99.99999999999999999% of space to explore
Oh and a Resource Based Economy is exactly Starfleet's socioeconomic system in Star Trek...
The Ferengie, the Klingon, and the Romulans still use currency but Starfleet and the United Federation (thus Earth do not)... Starfleet/UF/Earth have replicators... Aka 3D printers ...
Is StarTrek a "utopia" no it's not
burning down forests is generally what CIVILIZATION does. and i am sure, that alfred shed a manly tear, while putting the torch to all those
innocent trees.
Heath ledger portrayed the best live action joker hands down imo.
please do diagnosis on Costigan from The Departed
The most compelling stories in Literature are often where the protagonist and the antagonist are versions of each other mirroring each other's goals (similar) through rather different or opposing means. Like two sides of a coin, one is actually as important as it is the other. And like a boxing match, trading jabs until the final showdown where one appears victorious over the other (as in conventional stories where the good wins over evil), or the complete opposite, or a stalemate with a twist. The success and poignancy of the story is measured on how equally match a protagonist is to his/her antagonist. Thank you for a great dissection on the movie and its main characters!
trained as a sabateur and an interrogations expert. the character's key elements are betrayal and the malice bred there. not a clown at all, the costume is an expression of contempt. the scars could be from torture but my guess is self inflicted during a phsycotic break. something went wrong.
2:07 the joker loves himself so much , that he hides his true identity completely , what one could not say about batman , who when failed , he crumbled totally and retreated because of that , turning his back on his beloved city , and the joker mocks that , acting as a mirror , showing you who you really are , laugh crying while he does it
I thought psychopathy was pronounced psychopathy, with the emphasis on second syllable.
It is
"I'm not a monster I'm just ahead of the curve"
Very few murderers are psychopaths, and very few psychopaths are murderers. Concern for another person's wellbeing isn't something a pyschopath is capable of experiencing, but most of them have enough concern for their own wellbeing to recognize that a life sentence is a bad state of affairs.
The relaxing music in the background makes this.
You, sir, win the most underrated channel of the year award. Congratulations
And Joaquin Phoenix won Best Actor. All is right in the world.
3:58 Likes subverting our expectations... Oh god he’s actually Rian Johnson
worst joke ever....
not your comment
i mean Rian Johnson's life ...
@@KenMabie DAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNN
Who the fuck is 'Rian Johnson'?
Jai Courvoisier last Jedi director
My favorite color is violet and I love the joker when I was a kid watching TV dvd of batman
you entirely missed it good sir. the joker is a textbook borderline / BPD . very similar and often overlapping features with c-ptsd, but far more "dark" in their origins, stems from abuse, many overlapping features with psychopathy/ antisocial personality disorder, more impulsive and "reckless" superficially, yet somehow seem to survive and plan things out diligently. theres truth when he says " I dont want to kill you, I need you".....bc those with borderline have a very fractured sense of identity. the want to be loved but truly feel unlovable and want to destroy those that get too close to them. he needs the batman to be praised, bc what he wants most is to have the ability to turn the city against him, expose the Batman's flaws , ruin his image, and then take his spot as the savior of the city.
Really love the ppl smart like willnarious is able to break down the phycological mind of non-fictional characters
When you are young Batman is the Hero but when you get older the only character making any sense is the Joker
I'm going to say he's a war vet and it makes sense that he has access to weapons like RPGs but probably not originally from America because his fingerprints do not show up or any other tests
Haha, he's Canadian.
About his origin, the Joker has said, "If I'm going to have a past I prefer it to be multiple choice."
About the Joker being a strategist, the best way I've heard it put was this.
The Joker always has a plan but he might not know what the plan is. This is because the part of his brain that has the plan hasn't told the part of his brain that has to execute the plan.
DSM-5 does not list it as a diagnosis but a list of traits.
"The instruments developed by Dr. Hare and his colleagues attempt to measure a distinct cluster of personality traits and socially deviant behaviors which fall into four factors: interpersonal, affective, lifestyle and antisocial.
The interpersonal traits include glibness, superficial charm, grandiosity, pathological lying and manipulation of others. The affective traits include a lack of remorse and/or guilt, shallow affect, lack of empathy and failure to accept responsibility. The lifestyle behaviors include stimulation-seeking behavior, impulsivity, irresponsibility, parasitic orientation and a lack of realistic life goals. Antisocial behaviors include poor behavioral controls, early childhood behavior problems, juvenile delinquency, revocation of conditional release and committing a variety of crimes" - Psychology Today (2016)
He meets all of those traits
Batman is what Anna Freud clasified as "identifying with the attacker". He became what he feared (the darkness) in order to never fear it again and exert some control over his trauma (how vulnerable he felt when his parents died). He combined it (unconsiously) with another defence mechanism, called splitting, where he devided people into two absolute categories (good & bad) and chanelled his agressive relationship with fear towards criminals, in order to justify his vigilanty behavior while making sure he never slips.
My impression was that this Joker had military experience, maybe even Special Forces. Everything looked so chaotic but was well planned and ececuted on point. Surely not a continuation of the Joker from the reboot.
No
0:42 I think you might have accidentaly explained the entire human race collective dysfunction.
My psychology professor told me that psychopathy is a symptomn and ASPD is a diagnosis
He probably meant that "psychosis" is the symptomn
@@jorgeinojosa8792 I thought psychosis meant things like schizophrenia?
@@Haliceph Psychosys is a very prominent symptom/indicator in schizophrenia and other similar mental illness. But it's not a "particular" condition or illness.
Even some people without any previous or existing illness can experience psychotic episodes under certain conditions or after certain events.
Jorge Inojosa is psychosis a symptom of ASPD I thought psychosis was stuff like hallucinations and believing your god
@@jameson1239 No, it's not a ASPD symptom. There's the comorbidity subject thou. When diagnosing the joker you could hardly think in a single diagnosis.
But since this video is about Ledger's joker, we need to point out that he doesn't seem to hallucinate or have any trouble processing reality, unlike Phoenix's Joker.
This vid was one of the most interesting things I've come across since I don't know when. You earned this subscriber with taking something I've held near and dear to me since I can remember from my youth up til present day and given me new additional insight. Granted I don't think it was ever much of a reach to conclude that Bruce and Joker are opposites sides of the same coin. But the rationalization of Jokers character steming from the horrors a soldier endured and how his skills are being used still is genius and something I can't un-see nor find fault in. I look forward to checking out the rest of your work.
Edited due to illiteracy.
Hell you even made wanna use big words.
And that just ain't me.
Let's gooooooooo. Finally someone who understands psychology talking about this. Also you think Joker has ASPD? As far as I'm aware one of the main parts of ASPD is a pattern of extreme impulsivity to a point where one can't make any plans ahead because of it. That's like the opposite of the Joker.
PTSD vet is also what I got from the movie. Alfred explains how he recognizes people like the Joker from his own service. It would have been an interesting movie if it was about Joker vs Alfred rather then with Batman.
Man, egocentricity is not the same as egoism. Egocentricity is an inability to consider others besides yourself. Egoism is not so - one can consider others and manipulate them to own benefit, and that would be highly egoistic but not egocentric at all.
There are enough definitional blunders and mispronunciations in this video to make one wonder if he’s a fraud
"the gods they become are less than, not more, than the men that they were!" - WOW
I love the military theory because there’s nothing more contradicting than the military. Most veterans who deployed to Iraq have told me they were happy to fight for this country but later had second thoughts regarding the purpose as to why they were there. They even showed a lot of sympathy for the people they killed saying they were fighting for their own just as the US military was. At least 7 have told me the purpose of the war was a lie but they fought for their brothers. That duality has to mess with anyone’s head.
This video just helped me realize i have/have done all of the avoidance stuff
This over psycho-analysis is all well and good. However there is a simpler explanation for the Joker's apparent Madness. Or psychopath as you will. His apparently erratic Behavior and his desire to laugh at everything is stemming from his knowledge that he is not real. The knowledge that every horrible thing that he does and that has perhaps happened to him if he has a backstory at all is fictional. The Joker like Deadpool is one of those fictional entities that is written to know that they are fictional. There are many instances in the comic books the cartoons the animated and the live-action movies short period of just a few seconds where they interact with the viewer or the writer Etc. The Joker does this as well. If the Joker is not inherently evil. If the Joker is not inherently insane or psychopathic. Then how would he cope with being the bad guy in a story in which he knows he has no choice in any of the horrible actions he takes. Or that he's simply not real and nothing he's doing is real. In a way it's kind of funny. And that's the Joker's entire persona. It's all a sick joke his existence everything he does the world the universe the Multiverse in which he lives all of its fictional it's not real. He's the Joker and his entire existence and that of everyone and everything around him is the joke. The Joker Is even capable of going farther in breaking the fourth wall than Wade Wilson is. The Joker is aware of all the other Jokers and all of the movies and comic books and cartoons and animated series and animated movies live action or otherwise. Is even aware of all the different backstories involving himself all the versions of himself.
I was in the navy, they have my fingerprints and even DNA. or maybe the writers didn't consider that with his backstory (when he was arrested they said no prints on file)
8:38 RIP Deebo
I don’t like how you don’t have a million subscribers already.