Fight Club (Psychology Analysis)
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Today we're doing a psychological analysis of Fight Club. How does it match up with the facts of Dissociative Identity Disorder? What does it even mean for a personality to split? I answer these questions as well as show how Fight Club illustrates one of the most foundational principles in Carl Jung's psychoanalytic theory. #tylerdurden #mbti #characteranalysis
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References
Boysen, G. A., & VanBergen, A. (2013). A review of published research on adult dissociative identity disorder: 2000-2010. The Journal of nervous and mental disease, 201(1), 5-11.
Wesson, D. (2009). Suggestibility as an operant factor in advertising effects, cognitive defences and the issue of consumer sovereignty. Journal of Customer Behaviour, 8(4), 347-359.
I find his relationship with the girl extremely fascinating.
From her perspective, she has an extremely bipolar boyfriend that acts like a total a-hole half the time, and an impulsive child the other half of the time.
He spends all night boning her and then acts like he doesn't know her the next morning.
I kind of wish they went deeper into that.
Plot Twist - Marla isn't real either. He's imagining her, too.
That would be typical behavior of a person who grew up with an abusive father repeating the trauma/ seeking out the model of what a husband should act like, based on her childhood observations of her parents.
@@ericwilliams725 She exists. Go back to scene at the diner.
@@WestSideGorilla1980 I think 40 is about when our better decision making ability begins. You deserve alot of respect for recognizing that continuing the pattern doesn't end well, but you can't change the ending by yourself.
I personally love therapy. It's like a friend a you pay to listen to you complain about people, but they only get to talk when you say, and they don't get to argue.
@@pulynanyalikibitz1301 doesn't surprise me! The part of your brain that assesses risk doesn't finish fully forming until you're about 25
Call me crazy but this is the era that Fight Club was meant for
I can't believe I am just now watching. So amazing
100% but it was relevant then too. Orwell also got the year wrong with his book too xD
@@Carthangion Too true!
I dunno, it’s pretty 90s. This era needs films about people standing up to authoritarian dystopias. They’re coming.
Agreed. This, 1984, V for Vendetta and Fahrenheit 451 are basically how we are living now, with a little animal farm sprinkled in
Narrator - "I think, therefore I am"
Tyler - "I do, therefore it's done"
Oh man, this just completely described the personality of both of them in a line.
One of the few moments in movie history where the movie actually elevated the book and not the other way around
Absolutely.
Completely disagree. The book is FAR superior. Especially the ending.
2G J
Even Chuck Palahniuk said the movie improved upon his story. Paraphrasing, as I don’t remember the exact quote.
@MrGunboat78 I should clarify though, this does not mean I don't like the movie, far from it. The movie just glosses over most of the message Tyler was trying to convey, plus the whole bit about Paraffin "Never, ever works for me."
For me, the ending of the book changes everything about the story, I would have loved to see a Director's Cut version of the movie where they kept it true to the book. It's not as flashy as the movie, but it makes more sense.
@@river7874 Hard, HARD disagree there. Fight Club is one of the rare instances in which the movie is actually better than the book. Not just in terms of enjoyableness but also sense. It makes more sense for the Narrator and Tyler to meet on a plane, rather than a nude beach, which seems almost random. And in terms of the ending, the movie provides an ending to the whole sequence of events. Tyler was created by his brain to save him, and he was saved, but as soon as he didn't need Tyler anymore, he kills him. By saying that Tyler is going to come back means that the events of the story are almost irrelevant, as Tyler has taken over the existence of the Narrator and it doesn't matter what he does anymore. Tyler is much better suited as a means of improving the life of the Narrator, rather than a rogue part of his mind just taking over, regardless of his well being.
"I think, therefore I am."
"I act, therefore it's so."
Definitely more elegant than what's in the video.👍
I am, therefore I think.
@@WillariousTheTherapist What you do is elegant. I was on a trail stemming from Cinefix and it took me awhile to realize I switched to you. Great job on your breakdown, what you do is admirable from my perspective. 👉👉
@@WillariousTheTherapist By the way, I was wondering what would be some of your primary influences (if you'd be so kind to share). I've been trying to dive into Kirkegaard and Nietzsche, unfortunately they seem impossible to understand from the horses mouth. Jung was easier, even so he too is difficult to digest. Any recommendations on where to go?
I am, therefore I think.
I think, therefore I think I am.
I'm human, therefore I'm wrong about who I think I am.
I'm human, therefore I defend my wrongness and confuse it with who I am.
Descartes was human.
In the scene in the airport, we see the protagonist on a moving walkway, we also see Tyler, there is a mirror in the back that reflects everyones image except Tyler
Marla also has no reflection.
@@FirstnameLastname-cx6go marla is real ull missed the whole point of the movie
@@randombuzz6229 Wow, what an amazing argument. Marla is real cus you said so. The movie is about DID, and unless you have multiple personalities too, then I think YOU missed the point.
Try again, but this time tell me WHY you think Marla is real, instead of just saying so, like a dullard.
@@randombuzz6229 DID systems with only two alters are almost unheard of. Once your brain learns the trick, it keeps doing it. Even I have a few. Narrator is a classic ANP host, completely unaware, as is most common. Tyler is an EP for his repressed masculinity. But you thought it stopped there? You think that's just a minor detail? You never wondered why he's even there, and what his role is? Every alter is a manifestation of the effects that CPTSD had on the brain during development.
And you never wondered why Marla smoked at lung cancer groups?
This response is way more than you deserve, after wasting my time with your unsupported claim.
@@FirstnameLastname-cx6go Consider this reply as a favor for your lazy ass then,
- Waiter at the restaurant responded to her order and even referred to her as the “lady”
- Everyone in the testicular cancer meeting turned to her when she walked in and the narrator was already in the meeting
- The cops call her marla singer
- When at the meeting it was told to pair up with a “ special person” a man is clearly seen slowly approaching marla but the narrator grabs her earlier and the man turns away and pretend like he came for something else.
- The traffic clearly stops, swerves and honks at her when she first goes into the road
- Plus incase you didn’t know there are sequels to this book by the author and the book says she’s real.. marla and narrator has a son in the sequel..so even the creator says shes real in the book, your wrong by the words of the creator itself lol ..
my aunt had dissociative identity disorder. i dont remember what was the trigger or what made here switch but her "other half' as what we grew to call it, was much more disorganized then her and loved music. i guess think of a punk rocker kid.
by day a hard working person who may have had a bit above mild case of OCD. and some times buy night i guess a "wild child". her birth name was Barbra and here other name was Sam. i do know that they communicated via letters and notes and i do know that Barbra is not aware when Sam is out but Sam vaguely remembers things when barb is out.
imma go ask my mom about her when she wakes up. its like 7am here.
Edit: what my mom said:
my mom said she first noticed Barbra's switch when there dad would abuse them. mom said she thought it was a super hero kind of thing. like a secret identity. i knew my biological grandfather was abusive but never to that degree. i knew he died from alcohol poisoning tho. this is just my assumption, i think sam would come out when barb would get overly stressed?
i did not mention it before but my aunt Barbra killed herself. witch is strange because of my Theory of overly stressed trigger. my mom did not say how she died, and i did not want to push it.
I doubt anyone will read this, but I thought you know it might be a bit interesting if anyone did.
Thanks for sharing, real interesting!!
Interesting. My mother diagnosed as multiple personality disorder / schizophrenic - but we believe it was dissociative disorder because of the types and things. What I find interesting is that one of her personalities was also highly musical and her condition also started as the result of abuse by a family member. She's gone as well, so the book is closed, but the similarities...
Sorry for you and your mother’s loss! Abuse is an awful thing, this was interesting tho
Interesting read, as I have dissociative identity disorder among many other things.
I don't know what triggers your aunt had, but I do know mine and I used to come out when my alter was either in danger, too stressed or when he just wasn't able to do things that had to be done. During the turmoil of our life, I managed to get out a lot and basically start my own.
He could never remember what happened, when I was out and I could experience everything when he was in control. I don't know how or exactly why, but when I get angry and the anger comes out it comes out combined with "super strength".
Long story short, my alter had been living with depression for 24 years and about 6 years ago he decided to completely give up. As I wanted to keep on living, he gave me full control and we can still communicate with each other but I leave him be. (Different from talking to yourself, I can talk to myself like everyone does or my alter and so could he)
Don't know what else to tell, but if you have questions don't hesitate to ask and I will try to answer them for you.
@@viviblaat5831 So whats does it look like from your perspective when you're switched out with your double?
It's only after we've lost everything, that we're free to do anything.
I’ve had this tattooed on my arm for 11 yrs ❤️
But what if you had nothing to begin with..?
@@MegaSolopolo we're all born with nothing to begin with, screaming and covered in someone else's blood as we enter this world. Clearly you're missing the point, or just being a wise ass 😉
Hey Arthur!
Fake freedom you still are sheep with a shifty main thinking your a Lion
“I do. Therefore it’s done.” - THAT needs to be a bumper sticker!
This actually gave me a lot of understanding about myself
Wolf_of_Odin Same
Well then
I no longer struggle with the inner battle ... TYLER says and I do ... That should be a bumper sticker..
I rapidly looked over your subscribers and thought I've seen 800k, then I looked closer and seen only 809. Damn, this video is high quality. I m your new fan
Just watched Fight Club last night and completely didn't realise that Edward Norton's character didn't even have a name. What a fantastic movie! I can't believe that it took me so long to finally watch it. It fully deserves its status as a classic.
I realised he didn't have a name when marla called him tyler lmao, then it just sat on me « what was this bloke's name? » and couldn't remember
I just watched it for the first time the other day and realized they were the same person when he was trying to track him down by traveling all over and then I realized The Narrator was never given a name when he constantly used different names at the support groups at the beginning
if you know about Carl Jung you know exactly what Tyler is...he's the shadow.
Yup, I didn't understand wtf's going on in the movie, but when he said "we're the same person" it clicked immediately.
You hear about Freud, Dosky, Nietzsche, ect, But in my opinion Jung is the best account of them all. And rarely talked about
❤
@@silkyjay869 Jordan Peterson has introduced so many people to Jung including myself. I just picked up a copy of “Modern Man In Search Of a Soul”
I know Jung because I got to know JB Peterson
Fight Club is just spicy Me, Myself, and Irene
I disagree that Tyler has high agreeableness. He is clearly very low in agreeableness. He has great empathy, sure, but he is willing to sacrifice everyone for his goals, even himself.
Definitely
Your psychology analysis videos are the best. Super refreshing how pertinent they are and much more digestible than reading the DSM!! Awesome work, hopefully you can keep it up, look forward to these.
Glad you like them! Appreciate the feedback.
3:28 Tyler appears for a flash at multiple points in the film and this one
You can get to the exact fotogram with . and ,
Props to you for getting the frame perfect
"The field of psychology is split in two," really? LOL
The field has DID
How is it you only have a little over 1000 subscribers? With content like this you should have at least 10,000 by now.
Side note...I have a suggestion for a "character study." Rorschach from the 2009 Watchmen film. I mean...he's PERFECT for this show. His "gimmick" is that he's a violent troubled antihero with a Rorschach test on his face.
Interesting, I'll look into him. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@WillariousTheTherapist I look forward to seeing you put a "Rorschach test" to Rorschach...and maybe even discuss the validity of actual Rorschach tests as a therapy tool (I suspect they not commonly used anymore for a reason.)
Because youtube has only just suggested this channel to me, and now I thank it for finally doing so.
@@buddhamack1491 Huh, same with me.
You’re channel is gonna blow up this year! I’m calling it now! 😁🤘💯
Only issue I have is that with DID you don’t hallucinate others, you identify as the other. Perhaps the hallucination episodes are due to another disorder, but not DID.
No, alters can project. Its rare, but it happens
Paranoid schizophrenia?
I totally disagree with his diagnosis fight club about schizophrenia not about DID as split
That's just a cinematic tool to let us know who is doing what, I wouldn't look too much into that
@@user-bc5yn8ie3vbut sometimes he literally IS Tyler.
You did touch on the narrator’s insomnia, but not as a possible reason for Tyler’s origin. As a fan of the book and the film, it has long been my assessment that Tyler evolved as a result of sleep deprivation. I don’t disagree with DID ... just seems more plausible that prolonged insomnia could result in a sort of waking dream state. Where as, DID would result in multiple personalities. Just seems less likely, especially without a traumatic experience to trigger a split.
This is an excellent theory which I will actually touch on in the video after the next one on the Joker. Studies do show that persistent sleep deprivation can result in a sort of "waking dream state." Good analysis Kristy!
How about insomnia is a symptom of DID.
While the narrator thinks he has been sleeping, the body is awake and functioning as Tyler.
Kristy Hofer Chicken or the egg, it’s irrelevant. The fact is, the Tyler personality was always within him, it only serves to represent the narrators repressed feelings and desires, and dissatisfaction with his modern life, as a soulless, capitalist slave.
There is another theory floating around Marla could very well also be another personality of the Narrator. It's mostly speculative and amounts to primarily being fan theory, but it suggests that Marla is the "grey area" personality and that she embodies both personalities. So it could be argued that he does have more than one alternate personality.
@Eric Sledge Personally, Jack Nicholson will always be my favorite.
I know it’s a small thing but I like that you’re not asking us to subscribe to your UA-cam channel but to join your team as you guys become physiatrists for movie characters
Watched the movie about 40 times. Listened to the book. Watched many psychology analysis's of Fight Club. Thoroughly enjoyed your translation of it.
"I think, therefore: I AM FREE." - Me, Myself & I.
Dude, your videos need more attention! I love your work.
Greetings from Germany :)
Great analysis! I love Jungian psychology when it's explained by a talented person.
I was taught a shocking amount of psychology in small business. I have been able to remember every lesson in your videos. I was taught about all these psychologists you mention in your videos.
Granted it was a relative gloss over, but a very earnest attempt to apply behavioral understanding to business.
As a noob fiction writer and self-ascribed student of Jung, I just want to say that your work is great! I wish I'd have found your channel earlier. Your character explanations help me with my outlines to an insane degree. In fact, I've never heard characters analysized through a Jungian lens with such incisiveness. And your amalgam of psychology, mythology and literary tropes is interesting, as well.
Fight Club is my favorite all-time movie, since I too seek to overcome self-imposed limitations and I too wrestle with my own shadow.
There are also many allusions to Nietzschean concepts throughout the book and movie. And in the first act of both, Jack seems to be headed in a somewhat right direction. It's too bad all that goes horribly wrong, in the end. But in another way, the denouement turns out as a win for him.
Fantastic video! You should have a lot more subscribers. I'm going to put the word out for you.
You're pretty spot on! the only issue is the cognitive function one because if The Narrator is ISFJ (SI-FE-TI-NE) then Tyler being his opposite must be ENTP (NE-TI-FE-SI).
ISFJs don't use NI they use SI ( detail orientated, repetition via habits, familiarity, relating to past experiences and ) While Tyler would be an NE user ( ideas, possibilities, bigger picture, seeing through people and information ) But that's only if they're opposites.
Overall, you do good work and your content is highly entertaining and informative
Good stuff :)
Why do you say Durden is high in agreeableness? He seems to have his own agenda and shuts down advances for friendship or anything that would cause deviation from his goals.
This is what I was looking for. Isn't Tyler the textbook definition of low agreeableness?
Nah it's just your involvement in project Mayhem that increases your importance
Agreed
I'd say he's pretty nonchalant about everything or at least appears to be. He isn't extremely disagreeable but he isn't anywhere near above average unless you're directly standing in the way of his goal. Look at the scene where lou beats him up, he could have reacted in a way more confrontational way but that isn't his style.
You deserve every second of attention, great stuff!
Best interpretation of this movie ever. As an introverted, scientifically-minded workaholic, i had a similar episode like this while i was in the Marine Corps.
the progression in your video making is dope keep it up!
Appreciate it! Your user name is also super dope! :)
Fan Facts: The actual name used for The Narrator in the script is Jack.
But Chuck Palahniuk reveals The Narrator's real name as Sebastian in the sequel (Fight Club 2).
What sequel
@@xcodydoe Literary sequel. There are two sequels if I'm not mistaken, written by Palahniuk but never turned into films.
@@Albanez39 Ah nice. I found em, definitely gonna read
Buried beneath all the punching, philosophy and abs 😂😂 top tier!
I enjoyed this journey down the road of dissociation. And so did I.
So did we:D ~a systen of over 30
As an introverted intuitive type who suffers from depression, I'm telling you that stimulation and regulation is *everything* . Having proper sleep, proper nutrition, spending time alone with yourself doing self care like bathing or exercising, and stemulating your extroverted functions by initiating external interaction has to be a part of your daily life. If you skimp on any of these it's a recipe for disaster. Its not an easy life because you have to be receptive to life while simultaneously and adequately giving yourself space and time to rest and recharge. Abuse of drugs or alcohol only makes these functions worse because they numb your extroverted feelings and intuition both so at the end of the day you can't think or feel anything. Good luck living a functional life once the numbness kicks in.
I totally relate with this. It's too easy to be tipped over to the dark side if you didn't have an ounce of discipline to take these steps to manage yourself.
As an anthropologist who suffers from mental health issues, from personal experience of having differing physiological responses via my Ego and my Shadow. I feel as if it is almost a necessary contingent that the Ego rely upon multiple "Shadow" matrices. I love this movie. And BTW damn fine job guys!
Finally, someone who knows the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath.
Men,its the Same thing.
@@fellowgoyimwhite7630 not at all. One is born the other is made through trauma and upbringing
Narcopath
I like the idea that Helena carters character is also in the narrators head, as are many of his cronies from project mayhem.
Underrated channel.
Loves this video!! It's so fun to see a psych perspective because I only know the philosophy perspective! I watched the whole thing.
So how would you suggest someone overcome this dilemma in themselves? I'd love to hear your feedback on the matter.
I think what the narrator does is very effective. Basically accepting the fact that he is Tyler; accepting the fact that he is a contradiction. Once he realizes that Tyler's 'dangerous' thoughts feelings and attitudes are his own, he can be a more well rounded individual. His aggression can animate his morals and his morals can give appropriate boundaries to his aggression. Does that make sense?
@@WillariousTheTherapist Dude the narrator shot himself to get rid of Tyler, there was definitely no 'acceptance' and no 'well-rounded individual'.
You're going to half to be more specific. My personal experience was needing one public/ social personality in order to function in day to day life (the "Tyler", if you will) meanwhile, my other personality was only allowed "out" when I was alone, or with one or two close personal friends. This balanced well enough for a long time, but got to the point where my "narrator" personality was completely repressed. This eventually exploded and I had a complete mental meltdown that lasted for years... I'm still recovering 8 years later. At present, I cannot give you an answer, but what I have been doing for some time now is getting approval from both of us before acting or talking, instead of giving full control to one or the other. This seems to be working pretty well for now, but time will tell.
Consult with health professional then work and condition until comfortable doing a 7 day water fast
Life changing
Jordan Peterson would say “contemplate your resentment and see what it says”. I would say mostly in the form of judgments towards other people. Are you projecting yourself onto what you don’t like in others? There is your repressed shadow. Hypocrisy thy name is you. Now it’s easier to forgive others and see what you yourself need to work on instead of denying it. To be unconscious of it in yourself is to have little to no control over it.
I rung the bell for this video, now I can't stop drooling.
This movie never could have been made today without backlash.
Phenomenal breakdown. Loved every second.
Just found your channel and I must say its awesome, keep up great work! ..also I was wondering what would be your analysis of bane or perhaps deadpool..
Wow. Thank you for explaining the "Shadow" idea through the work of Carl Jung. I never knew this.
08:55 I think therefore I am. Tyler says I do, therefore it's done.
What a great concept. Good work. Subscribed.
My favorite movie of all time. I wish I could forget I’ve watched it several times already 😂 to get that woah feeling I got when I watched it for the first time so many years ago. What a masterpiece of cinema! 🔥
It's only once you've lost everything, that your free to do anything.
I find it pretty clear that Durden is NOT high in agreeableness. Disagreeableness is one of his defining characteristics.
Tyler Durden is the Id. The narrator (Ed Norton's "Character") is the alter. He doesn't actually do anything, he watches Tyler do it. The other characters don't talk to him, they don't see him, because he's not there. Tyler is. When we see Ed Norton, they're seeing Brad Pitt. That's how he's able to pull off all that, because the only force that could stop Him is "Jacks' Spleen." That character doesn't even have a name. That's how insignificant he is. He's the audience, the 4th wall, which is why he basically only talks in Narration. He's Jack's Conscience, and he's ignored throughout. All those meetings he went to were Tyler Durden looking for emotionally broken people to recruit. Which is why the nameless narrator had no idea what he was doing there.
All of this is interpretation. Nobody's theory is more or less valid, because it's written that way. The author intentionally gave us just enough information to interpret, without ever actually telling us everything. However, the narrator is an unreliable narrator. From the start, it's surreally told to get you in the mindset of a delusional, so we the readers can't tell reality from hallucination. So, chose your own reality, ultimately it's fiction to begin with.
You should read Fight Club 2 and Fight Club 3. It sort of changes all of this, and also there's definitely a childhood trauma associated with it.
While I find the insight of Tyler being the Narrator's shadow in Jungian functions to be great, I think it makes more sense for those dominant functions to be Si in the Narrator and Ne in Tyler than Ni and Se.
This is brilliant and hilarious--brillarious, if you will--but I'd really like to hear a bit more about how Durden's EXTREME self-destructiveness is presented as an entirely positive trait, culminating in his final act of self-actualization and -redemption by shooting himself in the face. In a certain light, it could be seen to mirror the ascetic practice of many monastic orders, both East and West, but on the other hand--God damn, dude. If you ever get a minute to comment further on this specific aspect of Durden/Narrator, I'd really love to hear it. Thanks, man!
There's TOTALLY evidence of childhood trauma though. He discusses WITH Tyler his father's abandonment and how he believes he was impaired by being raised exclusively by a woman. This adds to the contrast between Tyler and Jack because he almost seems like someone who would have been raised exclusively by a man, which would definitely be something jack could dream up while dwelling on his own father's abandonment and what he could have been like.
You should analyse the film called Me,Myself & Irene. Awesome vid, mate.
I'm very glad I found your channel, man
You should diagnosed on how anyone would join projected mayhem, or better yet join fight club.
But use Tyler, and narrator as the starters.
For me if I saw someone kicking their own ass, talking to themselves.
And I do say there is big difference between say whisper reading, or thinking out loud.
Most people would think they are crazy, and void them
There is a theory that Marla was also part of the narrators imagination as all three characters are not seen together. Therefore he would have multiple personalities.
Gotta keep turning off the captions to read the on screen text... Very well sir. You have my eyes and my ears.
God, I hope this channel blows up
Watching this video, I actually realized that I have most of these traits and I think I'm developing a DID slowly...
This movie would win so many awards if it came out this time era.
Marla being Narrator's feminine imaginary friend/personality is one helluva theory. It holds water and no one has really disproven it.
The author said she wasnt, and if she was tyler wouldnt have avoided her
I just watched and rewatched this video. It's interesting and yet I feel like I still do not grasp the consequences of this concept in its entirety, but I am not willing to blame it on your explanation. When is something becoming such a _shadow_ and not just something that is simply out of character?
When I take myself as an example regarding a trait many fail to understand, then it is my introversion. I feel very much like a caged tiger in society and I get really irritated by people getting too close to me, including noise, and even smell. I can survive for months without seeing another human, but I can get overly excited afterwards when I meet someone I like. The one thing many get wrong is that I need mental stimulation and thus like talking to others, but I hate small-talk and having to listen to trivial matters that do not affect me in the slightest.
I can't really see myself having a repressed extroverted function as my shadow, even though I can get overly excited in some rare conditions (which aren't that rare at the moment thanks to lockdowns)...
Freud is a tricky wizard. That's why his work was taken as a guideline in modern psychology
I disagree with the statement that Tyler D is high in agreeableness; his general alpha type personality, his reluctance to live his life in accordance with the rules and values of a society hyper-obsessed with status and mass consumption suggests quite the opposite to me: he’s an individual that’s extremely contemptuous and defiant, thus low in agreeableness.
The ending of this video was very abrupt...but you did answer the original question.
This reminded me of a characer (characters) from Stephen King's The Dark Tower. There was a character, O'Detta, who was a very calm and kind person with a presitged place in society by day, but her other half would take over at random times, Detta, and was only comparable to a total maniac, who would steal thousands of dollars of jewelry in situations ridiculously dangerous and would try to even kill anybody that she was threatened in any way by. Also meets up with the childhood trauma causing the split in personality, because of an event in her past that I won't spoil, which was covered greatly in the book and showed the first moments that she had appeared.
There’s a reason this is one of my favorite movies
The part about deep space exploration is true, it's no longer the US vs Russia, but Bezo vs Elon.
This movie was ahead of it's time and was addressing an issue we are facing now. We are now facing this existential crisis that the film speaks about
And the man knows mbti, coming from an ESTP after hearing people try to peg him as an ENTP, well done sir.
Tyler is an ESFP, the opposite of the INTJ's Narrator.
The narrator's repressed Se leads to him to create a an Se dominant archetype (ESFP) within his psyche that yet still agrees with his judging conclusions (Fi-Te/Te-Fi) to carry out his plans
TFW lol ok, explain how The Narrator uses Ni- Te and how Tyler uses Se-Fi like I’ve got plenty of reasons why thats not their types. But i wanna hear your reasoning
@@nathanieljohnson5555 I've rewatched the movie and I've changed my mind
TFW respect
The thing that makes me think is if Tyler is supposed to be a near psychopathic manipulative genius then how do we know Tyler didn't steal The Narrator's identity then the scene with them in the hotel room is basically Tyler saying "Yeah all of this stuff I just did all falls on you. Everyone thinks you're the leader. The cult house is in your name. You're going to pay for all of my consequences. Then the DID came from him taking Tyler to mean he literally has two personality states and carrying out his life with that in mind. The video did say DID can come from manipulation of a suggestible person by a highly trusted individual.
Great vids! Very educational!
Glad you like them. Thanks for the feedback!
This make sense and we all kinda get it through the movie!
Especially if we warch it multiple times.
But to me, what is interesting would be to focus on the narrator acknowledging since the beginning that Tyler is his other half, instead of at the end.
What would be is classification, bacause o think it's impossible to merge both psychological identities in one! At least those 2!
Have you heard the hypothesis that HBCs character is a figment of the narrators imagination and the only people that ever actually acknowledge her existence are the members of project mayhem, going along with their leader saying she is real?
Isn't she seen at the group therapy sessions?
@@vindalowd1107 yes, that's where the is introduced in the movie, but no one talks to her besides the narrator. Even when she's smoking, seems extremely odd.
Yes i have, but if she was tyler wouldnt have avoided her. Also the author said she wasnt so like
There is good evidence that shows marla is one of his personalities along with almost all the other characters. So he more than likely has multiple personality
LOVE THIS CHANNEL!
God, the more of these I watch, the more concerned I get for the health and well-being of those around me.
Yet... you’re the sane one. Right? How humble of you to judge those around you. The makings of a snitch.
Jacob Berry nope, not the sane one.
Thanks for the Extra Smart Bonus Points Dr. Will!
Just exercising my obligatory brag right XD! Knowing what I know about DID, I thought it was a little strange how the director made it seem like Tyler was developed near the time when the protagonist first decided to 'hit bottom'. This is apparently impossible from what I learned but it could also be that Tyler had never fronted before (since they have identical childhood stories)? But then, there were no mentions of previous symptoms. Anyway, just started the video and excited to learn more.
Brag right? Wdym?
Yeah did develops by age 9, and tyler had only been fronting for a year or so when he introduced himself, but im assuming he was there before that and they probably also had other alters. Plus, not much was known about did at the time, so mistakes are forgivable:))
@@Summer-uq1vr Did you actually watch the video because that was just a reference to when the creator said "feel free to brag about it in the comments" in literally the first two minutes.
Also yeah I also speculated in my original comment that Tyler may have been a pre-existing alter. It's just not the most believable explanation since at no point in the movie did the director try to hint at that or other alters in the system, not even other symptoms in his early life as far as I recall.
Of course even with "mistakes", I can see how fight club is still mind-blowing and all that...I wasn't even sure if they had necessarily been "mistakes". Just stating my confusion since I didn't see any addressing it here or online.
@@ellax8455 oh! Sorry, yeah i did but im, how do i put this, ✨stupid✨, and didnt realise thats what you were talking about😅 my bad. And i was just trying to agree with you and expand on your point, im sorry :(
@@Summer-uq1vr nah please don't apologise...I've done the same on yt many times lol. Good to know that someone else has noticed the same plothole coz my "knowledge" of did is the extremely basic surface-level stuff. Just thought if someone who knew as little as I found it so noticeable in the movie, someone educated enough would for sure touch on this or at least raise a question. Guess it has to remain as pure speculation anyways xD
5:19 I don't know how good of an example that is but that scene is hilarious
GET ON MY LEVEL!!! NOOBS!!!
...i was told to brag
Hmmm... Nice analysis. Would like to see another version where it is assumed there are three "personalities" - the narrator, Tyler Durden, and Marla Singer. In the movie Tyler and Marla are never together in the same room with the narrator. And they, so to speak, mind f*ck the narrator when they have sex. Also refer to the scene where Marla walks into traffic on her way to sell the clothes she stole at the laundromat. It would also explain why there is no complaint when she attends the testicular cancer group - she is not there! And in another group, the group leader comes up toe the narrator and talks to him while he is hugging Marla. On a second consideration, she comments on the fact that he is by himself.
Could also be read as a take on the id, ego and superego. Fight Club is extremely complex.
Great video man.
Oh and off the top of my head.. “Will” from good will hunting.. “Bob” from the Drop or Mathew mcconaughey in true detective..
Differential diagnosis: all of his symptoms (including hallucinations) are caused by his insomnia.
Dude how many more times do I have to rewatch the video to understand everything 😂
Great channel! You'll explode one day
"I do, therefore, it's done. Let's get drunk" brilliant haha
Holy fuck, it sounds like Jung took a hit of hexafluoride before that recording.
Today's gen, this would be cell phone camera fight club.
I'm INFJ and my functions are Ni, Fe, Ti, Se. Se is my inferior function. How this plays out for me in real life: I either get attracted to bad boys (ESTP / ISTP) or they become attracted to me. In certain life or death situations (this really happened to me) my fighter Se came out: I hit my drug addicted uncle who was in a physical altercation with my dad in public. I bet everyone was shocked to see an unassuming lady like me beat the hell out of a drug addict and threatened him death until he got lost lol
I thought it was inspired by the author's day in the office after having the shit kicked out of him the night before. Everyone around him acted like nothing was wrong and it was some kind of awakening about human behavior for him.
See what I get from this is that D.I.D is most likely a display of archtypes as a defense mechanism
...in this film, which cannot be seen as a completely acturate representation, as not much was known about system disorders at the time.
It's actually referred to as dissociative identity disorder via the DSM-5
It’s basically Jekyll and Hyde with people blowing shit up and beating the hell out of each other
STRIPE CLUB
starring
EDWARD NORTON as CALVIN
and
BRAD PITT as HOBBES