@@giovannirosario42741 New Atlanits is not a planet, it's a city 2 No planet will be fully handcrafted, just like none of their previous games were fully handcrafted
@@harrasika when did I say new Atlantis is a planet? No where in my comments I said Atlantis is a planet. And yes 900 of the procedural generated planets will be barren but will have some exciting hand crafted content spread out on those empty planets.
With the outpost building option, I am 100% certain, modders will use this featuring to make an unlimited number of customised, player-discoverable outposts as is the case in Fallout 4.
This was what I thought about the most when the system was explained. Imagining this system in the hands of modders is INSANE and I know there will be tons of locations crafted and added.
Yes but why does it matter? it's literally just going to be slowly walking around barren planets. just play fallout 4 it's the same shit. At least fallout 4 has power armor.
I think if modders can add their own POIs for the game to generate then this may truly be the best bethesda game yet for modders. being able to create hand crafted dungeons of your own and have them seamlessly injected into the base game sounds incredible. Imagine hopping onto the nexus, downloading a couple POI mod packs, hopping onto a random planet, maybe one you've been to countless times before and be met with hundreds of brand new never before seen locations as you explore. This could give the game longevity and replayability that not even Skyrim and Fallout 4 can match.
@@breezzyboy7603 I'm 80 hours in and having a good time with no mods pal, I'm sorry the idea of being able to add potentially unlimited future content is so offensive to you 😆
I agree, this was my concern as well. As long as they have a HUGE pool of pre-built content to pull from for random placement this system will work just fine.
Even if they have that huge amount, I wonder how modders can interact with this system? CreationKit2 could introduce a lot of things, but it is interesting to think that modders may be able to appropriately add their own POIs to the pool of what spawns, with their own parameters.
@@CrimsonBladezz Your Username is hilarious. Wow, you're going to get a wakeup call putting all your hopes and dreams in this title. Don't worry, it's on lock for $2 on GP Windows where I can play it in 4k 60 fps unlike that garbage 1296p 30fps xbox is pumping out. You enjoy that 🤪😘
I liked that "desolation of space" thing Todd Howard mentioned. In fact I've sort of thought the same thing when I've watched footage from this game, since I'm actually more drawn to the rocky, desolate planets they've shown. In a way they feel more atmospheric and "properly spacey" to me than the ones that are clearly supposed to be earth-like, full of pretty famliar trees etc.. They're usually better looking too, in my opinion. But who knows if that preference holds when I start actually playing the game..
I agree comepletely. The planets we saw in the direct that had life looked a lot like they had plants you find on earth whereas the barren planets looked a lot less familiar and more spacey imo.
@@____uncompetative yeah what I’m saying is I think technical limitations prevent moving really fast in such a detailed procedurally generated environment. So we could either go fast on near the surface and have bland environments or the opposite. But a cool little speeder for the ground would be very nice and fun. Even if it was just a bit faster than running speed. Hopefully modded will put something cool in.
@@xLawton Hate to say it but this is a good thing, multiplayer brings So many bugs to the table and implementing it properly takes an unbelievable effort, from either the studio or modders. God knows bethesda doesnt need to deal with more bugs if this launch is gonna go well lol.
They could add more poi in dlc expansions. They could theoretically add more in title updates and patches. They have built this new ground work and I'm excited for how it plays out.
one thing to mention with regards to the image at 8:38 is that you can technically be more than one kilometer away from your ship on a 1kmx1km square, given that the length of the diagonal approximately equals 1.4 km
That would imply the game rendered only everything in front of you, branching out diagonlly to the sides, while everything behind you & directly left/right is blank... It's far more likely you are placed in the middle of a 1 km x 1 km tile, not off in the corner of a rendered tile while everything else is left ungenerated.
It seems you were wrong, its a shame though. Everything else in the game is actually pretty solid, I wish they did one or two handcrafted full planets with tons of towns and real betheada activities like the faction quests the game has instead of lame copy pasted objectives
You raise a very interesting point that very few players will visit more than 100 or so planets, even if they focus their average length playthrough on exploration. I hope the game has in depth stats somewhere (as most open world games seem to) including a counter for number of planets visited.
Yeah, and that applies to other bethesda games like skyrim. There a ton of videos showing skyrim events and quests that a lot of people have never seen. Its the only things the comments say, even from people who say they've played for hundreds of hours.
I haven't played many fallout games, but both Oblivion and Skyrim have ingame stats built in. How many people you killed, how much stuff you stole, how many markers you have discovered etc. I think it's safe to assume it will carry over to starfield.
I know bro same here it seems like a perfectly good system for the game they've said it from the start with comments such as "we've gone for a more grounded approach " now I don't know for sure if that's what they said exactly but they have said this from the start but I really don't mind, there will be plenty of things to do in the main story planets let alone planets without much that might have a mission or something like that within a few systems
@@____uncompetative the point of the entire video is that it is mostly unknown. But people hating on the game without actually understanding the mechanics is assinine... The stupidity comes from getting stressed out over semantics. This game is a work of art and even if the procedural generation was limited to only a 1km per planet, that's a possible 1000 squared kilometres of exploration... That's gigantic.
Hi I actually came here from your “exploration disgrace” piece from 2 weeks ago. This pre release speculation is actually one of the most interesting reviews I have watched. Everything here seems to be a true representation of what was known and with sensible qualifiers. And it also underlines the question marks we were all aware of. Too much procedural generation is an infamous problem.
Man you were so wrong, thankfully I am 100% confident that this issue will be able to be resolved by mods and user created content filling these "pools" of proc-gen stations with more additional points of interest. Unfortunately there will always be duplicates but the amount of additional contents is essentially limitless. I wouldn't be surprised if Bethesda adds an endorsement system where content is added officially.
I'm willing to bet it's a tiered list: some points of interest are more "important" than others so are more guaranteed to show up since the team wants most players to experience them in their first playthrough, and some are more minor, thus more sporadic. And I'm also willing to bet that once the player clears them (not just sees them, but actually see everything there is to see in them), they will be crossed from that list and won't repeat in this specific playthrough
You are misunderstanding how Procedural Generation was utilized in Oblivion.... and generalizing the concept too. They used tools to generate the landmass procedurally during development. EVERY game does this. No developer is placing every object manually, but uses things such as height maps or procedural brushes to place objects quickly. Oblivion was not "generating" anything. Procedural Generation is when the game is generating content during runtime. Minecraft is generating chucks of land WHILE you are playing. Oblivion does not. The world was pre-built and doesn't generate a single aspect of the world, it was all predetermined. I'm sorry Bethesda pisses me off, and even more so, the idiots who continue to believe in them after countless games being released in an awful state.
@@deviouschimp4663 theres a good change that starfield will just suck at launch and players will have to wait a year or two for it to be polished and do what its supposed to. sometimes it just works.
You misunderstood. 1 km is the size of the premade chunks of terrain that are stitched together to make the terrsin of the planet. For reference 1 km is roughly the size of a single cell and at any given time at least 9 of these cells are rendered.
One thing I'm wondering, with the planets if you were to land and then just head off in a continuous straight line would you eventually end right back up where you started since you went around the whole planet?
No. As you land, the game produces a 1-mile circle of land procedurally. If you then take off and land somewhere else, another 1-mile circle will be produced. This means if you land at the same spot on the planet, you will see something different.
Quite literally.. i mean dont get me wrong.. the procedural generation for planets is awesome.. and i love the fact that planets have different biomes... But the POI bullshit is so stipid, i cant believe they thought it was a good idea... If youre gonna make planets procedurally generated, they make the fuckin poi procedurally generated too ffs, they should put up a system that uses outpost modules to build random bases so every POI you visit is different, whats worse of those same POI are literally used in main missions and factions quests, like wtf is with bethesda, i could excuse the loading screens but this was crap, completely stopped playing the game, i guess ill see it in 5 years when modders finally fix Bethesda's mess as always, what a shitty useless company.. imma just enjoy cyberpunk now, which is quite literally 100x better with little to no loading screens
NMS uses a coordinate system that saves key locations like resource nodes and buildings that it seeds the planet with. The locations of those are the same. However, the planet procedurally generates from where you land. Technically you could circumnavigate the planet but it would take forever like days on foot if not weeks real time. What is nice about this system is if you find a good resource or cool building you can always go back to those coordinates. Just don't always expect the terrain to be the same. When you put down a base it kinda hard locks the area around it so it is mostly the same when you return although NMS still has some small glitches with this and the procedural terrain. I've had trees grow out of my base buildings and stuff but for the most part that doesn't happen.
My experience with NMS is that for a big part you are looking for planets that fill a need (be that core gameplay or current meta) and do so without too many negatives. Like early on you want planets that provide ready access to certain materials but aren't too hostile environmentally so you don't hemmorhage resources top up some shield or stuff.
it's the same system from fallout 1 and 2, where you open the world map and click on point for the character to travel to, and if they stop at a non point of interest point on the map then the game will generate / choose from premade map / tileset, sometimes with random encounter / landmark. it works really well in creating an illusion of a very large world back then considering the processing limitation.
Nowhere in the direct or interviews have I seen that statement about these locked 1km areas around the landing point. Todd did talk about about how planets are stitched together from blocks of procedurally generated terrain, and that points of interest are generated when you first load a planet. Which sounds like static seamless planets made with a mixture of procedural tools and handcrafting, not ingame procedural generation. And then handcrafted POI that drop into the terrain interchangeably. Also worth noting that there are ingame markers shown well over 1km away, and that Todd talks about fast traveling back to your ship because you can explore very far with a jetpack. At jetpack speeds shown in the gameplay you'd hit a 1km limit in probably 60 seconds which would make fast travel a bit pointless.
yeah ingame procedural generation would be stupid because that would send every player rrandomzied terrain making it near impossible for moder to add stuff pretty sure they used a seed for the planets that every player shares
On the Points of Interest and whether they may become repetitive, I wonder if a solution on that could be attaching a rarity figure to it? So, abandoned mining facilities for example would be more common than crashed capital ships which would be an extremely rare occurrence? it'll be very interesting to see how it's all handled for sure.
I hold onto the optomism that Todd thought about the number of hand-made locations being a huge deal. He repeats himself many times about how exploration and each planet should feel different so with that I have to believe they've made plenty of these locations.
From my understanding Bethesda has used procedural tools to create 1km2 cells of terrain that can be tiled across an entire planet. The same tools would also allow cells to spawn different ground textures, vegetation, rock formations, crystals etc depending on the overpainted biome map. Once a planet has been made with tiles and painted with the biome map the terrain is then static, allowing Bethesda to go in and place larger terrain features by hand. Mountain ranges, cities etc. Or smaller fixed items like a Mars rover. And each cell/tile has a number of markers for POI, which are handcrafted locations that drop into the landscape interchangeably. Depending on settings for each planet more or less POI will spawn.
@@WhackTony Lakes and oceans seem to be getting handled by placing dedicated coastline/water tiles. We haven't yet seen the shorelines close up except the lake west of New Altantis on Jemison but a number of planets have been shown with water biomes. And we have seen rivers on the orbital map of Jemison but it's unclear if these are hand placed or part of the generated tiles. No shots on the ground yet to show river features like waterfalls but they were present in older Bethesda games.
Problem is, that the animals are hand crafted so sadly I feel like they will be a lot of duplicates on different planets making less variety and killing the immersion, also the planets aren’t that big but have the illusion of looking bigger, still though I think it looks 100x better than no man’s sky
I'm so excited for Starfield, haven't really been excited any other games recently. When I saw the gameplay showcase, I was so blown away. I did not expect that level of depth from this game. I'm anxious to see what modders can do.
I believe that the way you are interpreting the "endless" planets is correct, as pointed out by other's Starfield may not have the typical black screen that Bethesda is known for, but they do still have loading points. All of the cinematic shots we have seen, such as entering our ship, standing and sitting in the pilots seat of our ship, etc, they are all creative ways of loading things without taking us out of the game itself. So even though people were upset that planet to space would not be seamless, I believe it may still be "seamless" by being a cinematic, which is something I don't actually mind compared to it being a fade to black.
It’s not just the ambition of Bethesda that has me so excited. It’s the passion. It’s not going to suck. In fact, I feel that Starfield has the makings of one of the greatest games ever created. Edit: I know a lot of people are complaining about empty planets. But to be honest, I’m hoping for empty planets. I want them to replicate the feeling of being completely alone on an unknown planet. And since I’ll be playing on my series X, I’ll be locked at 30fps. And I truly couldn’t care less. I only really want high frame rate when playing FPS or other competitive games. When it comes to single player games, I just want a smooth and stable experience. Idc what anyone says. I’ve never been more excited for a game to release in my life.
Same like people want everything to be 60 fps but a game of this caliber is good to have 30fps because of how the scale is plus it’s not hindering bg series s players becasue when you have to implement graphics you put all your effort on that and not the gameplay and one thing I can say about bethesda games the sknr xare about graphics
I think you've slightly misunderstood the way he described the process: They figure out the biome and elements based on distance from the sun and the size of the planet, then use pre-generated 1km terrain squares with point-of-interest spots set up on them corresponding with interesting or suitable land shapes... then they add appropriate flora and fauna, and last, as you move within the worldspace, they add their hand-crafted points of interest at the nearest POI spot on the current land piece, and that is saved to your savegame file when you save, so the things discovered thus far are permanent after you save.
0:17 how did the gunplay look lacklustre. It looks like every possible first person shooter ever made. It’s kinda hard to expand on such a fundamentally limited concept as guns. You hold them, point them and shoot. There’s not much to expand on except types of guns.
I like the idea of them doubling down on the scale of random encounters like in other bethesda titles. Where now instead of something just on the scale of a couple npcs on patrol you might encounter something on the scale of a dungeon. I really hope they pull it off well because this could really turn up the replayability in a major way for me.
There has to be a reasonable size limit to planets if there aren't any ground vehicles to speed up travel. You can't walk around an entire world. It would take way too long.
since there are over 250000 lines of dialogue i think its safe to say there will be hundreds of hand crafted locations. i truly believe this game will be Bethesda's best work! great video!
@@____uncompetative I don't remember him saying that the planets themselves would be random. What he said would be different or random is the points of interest on each planet (outside of quest stuff). Maybe even perhaps the creatures based on the biomes of the planet.
@@LiberatedMind1 From my understanding (disclaimer) Bethesda has used procedural tools to create 1km2 cells of terrain that can be tiled across an entire planet. The same tools would also allow cells to spawn different ground textures, vegetation, rock formations, crystals etc depending on the overpainted biome map. Once a planet has been made with tiles and painted with the biome map the terrain is then static, allowing Bethesda to go in and place larger terrain features by hand. Mountain ranges, cities etc. Or smaller fixed items like a Mars rover. And each cell/tile has a number of markers for POI, which are handcrafted locations that drop into the landscape interchangeably. Depending on settings for each planet more or less POI will spawn.
I think the biggest thing to note is that No Man's Sky has 18 quintillion planets, and is made by a pretty small dev team. Starfield has a VASTLY smaller 1000 planets, made by a huge budget developer with hundreds of people working on it, including artists. It honestly makes a lot of sense why they're limiting the planets to an exact number, because it ensures a certain level of uniqueness. Yes I'm sure there will be some repetition, but as a longtime No Man's Sky player (since day 1) this just won't be comparable. We're talking about 18 quintillion vs 1000. The more designers you have working on your game, the more potential there is for variety on this scale. And I will say, having landed on a ridiculous amount of planets over the years in NMS (I am one of those people that loves just landing and exploring as many as I can, I wouldn't be shocked if I have visited at the very least 500 if not many more) I have still found some new assets or at least new variations. And that's with a very small dev team The difference between 18 quintillion and 1000, especially in terms of managing procedural content, is insane. It's a nearly unfathomable number. I have very little doubts that Bethesda can pull this off. 1000 planets is quite literally a walk in the park compared to tha The thing that keeps most people playing NMS is not that every planet is different, it's actually the gameplay systems. I think Starfield has a very real opportunity to do the former, with every planet being noticeably different as well as including their gameplay systems. And this is becuase they've locked it down to a smaller, exact number. It won't be perfect, but I think the gaps will be much less noticeable Also 10:35 This is a cool transition
I honestly feel like the planets won’t be bad at all. I think the hand made planets will jam packed with near endless content so it’s not like we’re fully relying on the other planets.
Yes, because we can trust Todd Howard to ever say anything one either knowledgeably or two truthfully, cause that’s his MO right to properly and fully inform us and then to be 100% truthful about what he’s saying your people deserve what you get you really do. I hope you pre-ordered.
One thing I'm really hoping for are the variations on these points of interest. Like there may be tons of abandoned basis and stuff that you find throughout your game, but I'm really hoping that even if they maybe look similar on the outside, they have maybe a procedural map generation on the inside kind of like Diablo so everytime you go into these dungeons, or whatever you would call them, they will be different and not have the same layout.
They could also have "chunks" of stuff that's stuck together procedurally. A dozen garages, a dozen food preparation areas, a dozen medical bays.... picked out and arranged.
What is like to know is- Obviously once something is discovered (as in, procedurally generated), it’s then locked into place in your specific game save, right?
Yes, the proc generation is used to generate the planet and place points of interest when you approach the planet. Once the planet is generated and POIs are placed it will be static for that playthrough
Todd did NOT say it's 1KM when you land, he said the tiles are designed to 1km x 1km - When you land I suspect at least a 3x3 tiles will be created for the reason of distance to caves outposts, and other mountains.
If they do it right, it should feel infinite to the player. Which is the main thing. I should at least feel like the option is there, to explore around as far I want to. And if as we move out further, the procedural generation is so good that movement between tile groups feels seamless and goes unnoticed, its going to be great! It'll feel truely VAST and immersive.
@@ChessArmyCommander I believe this will be the case, the planets are pregenerated height maps so the same mountain will always be in the same spot from what I understand. It's what goes on the surface that is different, buildings, settlements, mines etc.
@@harag9 I'm going to look for an opportunity to cliff dive while wearing the boost pack. lol If I can do that, it'll be quite interesting! I did see some pretty big rocky areas/mountains during the Direct. Right? 🤔
@@ChessArmyCommander Great Idea. I plan on landing near a large lake, or coast line and following it... take an image of the planet before I land and try and work out how much the two match. Yes I know the scale different might be quite big given the size of the planets when they selected. 1 pixel on planet select page could well be 50x50 km in size... but it's going to be fun exploring. Can't wait. I found No mans sky quite boring, yet Elite dangerous was interesting, though baron. :)
the 1.2 km distance at 8:45 is possibly NOT outside of the 1KM tile generated. If the tile is a square then you could be looking at a distance that is DIAGONAL. a 1 X 1KM square tile could have a max distance within the square of 1.41 KM's (the hypotenuse) , remember: a^2 + b^2 = c^2
Everything aside, you are one of the best small creators out there that I've come across. I have seen you Forza Horizon and Battlefield videos and i couldn't agree more. The way you edit your videos and explain your point is truly majestic. You are able to grab a viewers attention even with our generation's hella small attention span and make them understand you. I hope that you one day become one of many big creators because your points are fax and even if they weren't you could still make a point for something that's truly horrible just by the way you present yourself. Keep it up and I would be more than happy to run games with and tell me your opinion about them.
If you intend to get the game and can afford the premium edition on steam, then just buy it, you get 5 days early access, so technically you can have 120 hours in the game before release and refund it right before release as its classed as a beta test that steam will allow refunds on regardless of hours put in and because the game isn't released, the hours don't count until after release (only works with pre-order games with early access plays). If you enjoy the game, you don't bother refunding if you think its worth the money or you refund it if it bores you shittless after a few hours, its a win win, waiting for a complete stranger's review of the game will not give you the exact information you need to know how a game feels to play, and that does tend to influance if that person likes or hates the game, so just test it yourself and refund it before it releases if its boring as shit.
Absolutely amazing video! ❤ great quality well put together and just overall entertaining to watch! Good stuff man! With quite a few hours into NMS myseld i couldnt agree more with what you said. U earned urself a new sub
After watching your video, Tbh you weren’t far off. The title is a bit disingenuous though as you were a lot more skeptical about the proc gen in the video. I think people just had wild expectations for the exploration, and don’t realize planets are mostly, big, empty and somewhat barren. I watched moist critical’s stream, and the dude was so stupid, he tried to run from the north pole of jemison down to the city which is on the other side 😂 It’s like trying to run from greenland to Chile 🤦♂️ It would take you months, even without the boundaries.
i can give u one point of view why it will suck. co-op or online play. mixed with single player can't get both in this game... thus we in 2023 and we can't have both it must be one or the other it seems
Not once has a Bethesda mainline game been co-op. They do not need to be. We rarely get single player games these days and many of us are missing and craving those. You want co-op Bethesda go play ESO or F76.
@@StellarisIgnis 57% of gamers prefer single-player over multiplayer games, compared to 22% who prefer multiplayer games. While the overall preference for the single player mode holds true across all age segments, the degree to which the single player mode is preferred differs significantly with age. For older gamer segments (35+), the single-player mode is mainstream and preference for multiplayer games remains niche. However, the younger the gamer, the less this difference is pronounced. Quoted by "Karol Severin" Karol is MIDiA’s senior games analyst and VP of data. His key research areas cover the games value chain, strategy for developers, publishers and distributors, gamer psychology and behavior's as well as cross-entertainment opportunities. the problem is not about single player or multiplayer. its the idea of making both in one game. this is 100% possible to have both tho the company will cheap out and favor one over the other because of the cost involved. its cheaper to run a single player game collect data from you and your PC as you play it and sell this data to other companies. while you're Opinion matters and i'v herd this a number of times that there is not enough single player games out there. but yet how is it that every online game i play. i play them solo? ahh yes, it means i get to choose what i want and how i want to play and im not bound by the game being only single player. this also means if someone wanted to join me all they would have to do is ask or even family could want to join me and we can bond that much more closer. can't ever do that in a single player game. you're wife or husband or kids can only sit there and watch you play. waste your life away.. you're only stuck with that single choice. now if only it was co-op or online you'd be able to bond with the family or friends. and on top of this you still get to choose if u want to play solo or not. with a single player game u don't get this choice.
2:30 i respect this opinion but as someone who's been playing this game since launch, i wonder how many folks actually read the stories you find at crash sites, terminals, monoliths, etc. NMS storytelling is similar to Bungie's Marathon from the 90s on the Mac (the game that's getting rebooted at Bungie). read the stories at the terminals. the game isnt boring. it contextualises why the universe is the way it is & when taken with the updates in the 7 years since, really makes the world feel consequential regardless of how sparse it can seem. "magnificent desolation" indeed.
Due to the sheer size of the planets in this game, which are galactic monstrosities, you won't be interested in exploring everything in the game. You'll have 100 life-planets to explore. On top of that, you'll want to explore several more planets which you may find aesthetically unappealing, but you'll need them for resources and base-building purposes. Plus, you'll be forced to visit many more planets for questing purposes. Any more than that would be to find hidden items and locations, but most people will burn out long before that. The average gamer has the patience of a gnat. They'll never 100-percent this game, yet they'll continue to whine and complain about anything that they can dream up. About a game that is still two months from release.
I think they are basically treating planets more like items, with the procedural generation being more dependent on the stats of these planets and the randomization of where each player will experience what rather than precedurally generating content. This also creates a tier-based system for planets similar to items, where some planets will have more gameplay value than others.
Bethesda have talked about how many points of interest they have. Todd said its more than any other game they’ve created. So its probably well over 500
I don't know if it's that exact same interview or not but Todd does clarify that you will be able to explore entire planets. He mentions these 1x1km grids as how they "usually" do them and then went on to explain how they "wrap" the planet with these grids and how it sort of "just worked" (lmao famous last words though) so I do believe we will see entire planets in the game. Especially since they are generated on the fly I don't see how in 2023 they couldn't do that now. Especially since Todd has also said he has wanted to make Starfield for ages and just weren't able to until now due to technology. That to me says it's ready and the time for this is now.
Its just my opinion but I think they have as many points of interests as there are planets. So in one playthrough it might be actually difficult for the average player to find all of them. Because I believe that points of interest can range in size and complexity like some could be entire abandoned ( or even populated ) bases while others could be some old sculpture that we can interact with for some lore. So it would make sense that if there are 1000 POIs then 900 of those are just super simple. And I think a planet will definitely have several, just so that other planets can have less or even none. I could be wrong btw, but if this is true then I think that would be a good balanced system
I definitely agree with you but in some peoples defense I dont think the presentation made it super clear that the procedural stuff is the terrain and the actual locations of poi while the pois themselves are hand crafted. But yeah I'm not too worried about the procedural stuff. I'm super excited for what modders will do on these empty planets
I would like to mention something about procedural generation when it’s done right. Some description of how there are “POI’s.” You might’ve heard of 7 days to die. Back then it looked like minecraft, but with zombies. But recently, it’s much more than that and actually has a wide arrangement of POI’s they have released for the game, and even big city poi. Which you can even set the percentage of the biomes, poi’s, if you choose to generate the map. Speaking of, if you chose to generate a custom map, unlike minecraft being instant, this would take about 10 minutes or so. And then you would be shown the overhead of the map, and you could choose if you want to play on it, or try another generation. Not saying anyone needs to play the game now but I would like you all to see how far procedural generation has gone, since I think procedural has come a long way. So even worst case scenario, maybe Bethesda could be adding POI’ spawns overtime just like that game. Or it’ll be predetermined, it’s hard to say.
The diagonal across a 1x1 square is about 1.4km. So theoretically the player could still be bound to the 1km square that was mentioned previously, right?
I think is also important to point out that there are points of interest that never change on certain planets as well. Like quest locations
@@giovannirosario4274 I do think we will see staple handcrafted content on certain planets of course. Even aside from main quest planets
@@giovannirosario4274 You don't know what you are talking about.
@@JustinMarsh4 I know exactly what I'm talking about and once the game finally releases and I am proven right just shut the fuck up and play the game.
@@giovannirosario42741 New Atlanits is not a planet, it's a city
2 No planet will be fully handcrafted, just like none of their previous games were fully handcrafted
@@harrasika when did I say new Atlantis is a planet? No where in my comments I said Atlantis is a planet. And yes 900 of the procedural generated planets will be barren but will have some exciting hand crafted content spread out on those empty planets.
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With the outpost building option, I am 100% certain, modders will use this featuring to make an unlimited number of customised, player-discoverable outposts as is the case in Fallout 4.
This was what I thought about the most when the system was explained. Imagining this system in the hands of modders is INSANE and I know there will be tons of locations crafted and added.
@@Lucasoarexciting thought indeed
Yes but why does it matter? it's literally just going to be slowly walking around barren planets. just play fallout 4 it's the same shit. At least fallout 4 has power armor.
@@Sharpstoned If you wanna explore the same map the keep doing it, everyone else will be exploring the stars though
@@Sharpstoned It matters to me. And that's okay.
I think if modders can add their own POIs for the game to generate then this may truly be the best bethesda game yet for modders. being able to create hand crafted dungeons of your own and have them seamlessly injected into the base game sounds incredible. Imagine hopping onto the nexus, downloading a couple POI mod packs, hopping onto a random planet, maybe one you've been to countless times before and be met with hundreds of brand new never before seen locations as you explore. This could give the game longevity and replayability that not even Skyrim and Fallout 4 can match.
It's going to be dude. Get stoked!!!
Relying on modders to make a game playable.
@@breezzyboy7603 I'm 80 hours in and having a good time with no mods pal, I'm sorry the idea of being able to add potentially unlimited future content is so offensive to you 😆
This aged like milk
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I agree, this was my concern as well. As long as they have a HUGE pool of pre-built content to pull from for random placement this system will work just fine.
Exactly this! Let’s hope we don’t go seeing repeats too often of the same caves or abandoned mines etc
You're not going to get a huge pool. It will have lots of repeat in it at launch. It's a BGS game after all.
Even if they have that huge amount, I wonder how modders can interact with this system? CreationKit2 could introduce a lot of things, but it is interesting to think that modders may be able to appropriately add their own POIs to the pool of what spawns, with their own parameters.
@@TheXboxSuxdon’t worry you won’t get to play any of it go back to watching your movie games
@@CrimsonBladezz Your Username is hilarious. Wow, you're going to get a wakeup call putting all your hopes and dreams in this title. Don't worry, it's on lock for $2 on GP Windows where I can play it in 4k 60 fps unlike that garbage 1296p 30fps xbox is pumping out. You enjoy that 🤪😘
Procedural generation in general in any game gets repetitive quick. It’s inevitable.
Unless it's implemented correctly... Unfortunately no developer has implemented it correctly...
I liked that "desolation of space" thing Todd Howard mentioned. In fact I've sort of thought the same thing when I've watched footage from this game, since I'm actually more drawn to the rocky, desolate planets they've shown. In a way they feel more atmospheric and "properly spacey" to me than the ones that are clearly supposed to be earth-like, full of pretty famliar trees etc.. They're usually better looking too, in my opinion. But who knows if that preference holds when I start actually playing the game..
I look forward to the vast expanse of some of the planets, it'll look great in the lighting. The desolate and "empty" ones might be my favorites
I'm gonna land on a moon and play "I Really Want to Stay At Your House" lol
I agree comepletely. The planets we saw in the direct that had life looked a lot like they had plants you find on earth whereas the barren planets looked a lot less familiar and more spacey imo.
Except you can't really explore the planet. No rovers or any vehicles. All you can do is just walk slowly around. Garbage game.
@@Sharpstonedyou can jog
Finally someone understands! You either get bland environments with in atmo flight or you get more detail with no flight at the surface.
No real time user controlled atmosphere flight. Just a cut-scene made with in game assets. No vehicles.
@@____uncompetative yeah what I’m saying is I think technical limitations prevent moving really fast in such a detailed procedurally generated environment. So we could either go fast on near the surface and have bland environments or the opposite. But a cool little speeder for the ground would be very nice and fun. Even if it was just a bit faster than running speed. Hopefully modded will put something cool in.
@@mryesman4189 Sorry. This is not possible. Sprint speed maximum.
Not it at all. It's a Creation Engine limitation, not a game design one. Star citizen proves this with each update.
@@TheXboxSux Yeah. Not possible on a console.
I feel like Starfield is what everyone THOUGHT Destiny was going to be when its reveal trailer dropped.
Comment of the century. Haven't been this hyped since 2014.
My. Exact. Thoughts. Well except this won't be multiplayer thank Tod
Yes, apart from Destiny is multiplayer. So i can coop with a couple of friends whereas Starfield i wont be able to. Well, until mods change that
That would be cool tbh
@@xLawton Hate to say it but this is a good thing, multiplayer brings So many bugs to the table and implementing it properly takes an unbelievable effort, from either the studio or modders. God knows bethesda doesnt need to deal with more bugs if this launch is gonna go well lol.
Hey, this aged well, didn't it???
You were wrong
They could add more poi in dlc expansions. They could theoretically add more in title updates and patches. They have built this new ground work and I'm excited for how it plays out.
one thing to mention with regards to the image at 8:38 is that you can technically be more than one kilometer away from your ship on a 1kmx1km square, given that the length of the diagonal approximately equals 1.4 km
If you land in the middle and are limited to that area, you will in fact never be 1km from your ship. At most you'll be 0.7km away.
That would imply the game rendered only everything in front of you, branching out diagonlly to the sides, while everything behind you & directly left/right is blank...
It's far more likely you are placed in the middle of a 1 km x 1 km tile, not off in the corner of a rendered tile while everything else is left ungenerated.
It seems you were wrong, its a shame though. Everything else in the game is actually pretty solid, I wish they did one or two handcrafted full planets with tons of towns and real betheada activities like the faction quests the game has instead of lame copy pasted objectives
Agree!
The most stupid comments ever. You're asking for 2,000 terabytes of planet data.
Aged like milk
You raise a very interesting point that very few players will visit more than 100 or so planets, even if they focus their average length playthrough on exploration. I hope the game has in depth stats somewhere (as most open world games seem to) including a counter for number of planets visited.
Yeah, and that applies to other bethesda games like skyrim. There a ton of videos showing skyrim events and quests that a lot of people have never seen. Its the only things the comments say, even from people who say they've played for hundreds of hours.
I haven't played many fallout games, but both Oblivion and Skyrim have ingame stats built in. How many people you killed, how much stuff you stole, how many markers you have discovered etc. I think it's safe to assume it will carry over to starfield.
totally agree with you, I don't know why people can't grasp how this system will work.
I know bro same here it seems like a perfectly good system for the game they've said it from the start with comments such as "we've gone for a more grounded approach " now I don't know for sure if that's what they said exactly but they have said this from the start but I really don't mind, there will be plenty of things to do in the main story planets let alone planets without much that might have a mission or something like that within a few systems
Meh, these are probably the same people hiding cans of soda behind a piece of paper that don't understand how mirrors work...
Yes people are stupid and no matter what you do they will refuse too not be stupid
Okay, if you are so smart explain it as this video is completely incorrect and misleading.
@@____uncompetative the point of the entire video is that it is mostly unknown. But people hating on the game without actually understanding the mechanics is assinine... The stupidity comes from getting stressed out over semantics. This game is a work of art and even if the procedural generation was limited to only a 1km per planet, that's a possible 1000 squared kilometres of exploration... That's gigantic.
Hi I actually came here from your “exploration disgrace” piece from 2 weeks ago.
This pre release speculation is actually one of the most interesting reviews I have watched. Everything here seems to be a true representation of what was known and with sensible qualifiers. And it also underlines the question marks we were all aware of. Too much procedural generation is an infamous problem.
Man you were so wrong, thankfully I am 100% confident that this issue will be able to be resolved by mods and user created content filling these "pools" of proc-gen stations with more additional points of interest. Unfortunately there will always be duplicates but the amount of additional contents is essentially limitless. I wouldn't be surprised if Bethesda adds an endorsement system where content is added officially.
You were wrong too, lmao. BGS fanboys are pathetic
@@znubionek Dude I was so wrong
@@AdiusOmega i lost hope for BGS when fallout 4 was released lol
I'm willing to bet it's a tiered list: some points of interest are more "important" than others so are more guaranteed to show up since the team wants most players to experience them in their first playthrough, and some are more minor, thus more sporadic. And I'm also willing to bet that once the player clears them (not just sees them, but actually see everything there is to see in them), they will be crossed from that list and won't repeat in this specific playthrough
The fact that Oblivion had procedural generation (and most players had no idea) attests to Bethesda’s capabilities to make it work in Starfield.
Idk how no one could tell when every dungeon was essentially the same shit in oblivion lol.
Yeah but that's a pretty old game at this point. Games are much more complex and expectations are much higher these days.
You are misunderstanding how Procedural Generation was utilized in Oblivion.... and generalizing the concept too.
They used tools to generate the landmass procedurally during development.
EVERY game does this. No developer is placing every object manually, but uses things such as height maps or procedural brushes to place objects quickly.
Oblivion was not "generating" anything.
Procedural Generation is when the game is generating content during runtime. Minecraft is generating chucks of land WHILE you are playing.
Oblivion does not. The world was pre-built and doesn't generate a single aspect of the world, it was all predetermined.
I'm sorry Bethesda pisses me off, and even more so, the idiots who continue to believe in them after countless games being released in an awful state.
@@deviouschimp4663 theres a good change that starfield will just suck at launch and players will have to wait a year or two for it to be polished and do what its supposed to. sometimes it just works.
@@Redslayer86 The game wasn't procederually generating dungeons though...
You misunderstood. 1 km is the size of the premade chunks of terrain that are stitched together to make the terrsin of the planet. For reference 1 km is roughly the size of a single cell and at any given time at least 9 of these cells are rendered.
One thing I'm wondering, with the planets if you were to land and then just head off in a continuous straight line would you eventually end right back up where you started since you went around the whole planet?
No. As you land, the game produces a 1-mile circle of land procedurally. If you then take off and land somewhere else, another 1-mile circle will be produced. This means if you land at the same spot on the planet, you will see something different.
@@gamingtonight1526im pretty sure the last part you said isnt true
Me when I see new Starfield content to fill my addiction until September 6th:
this did not age well
Quite literally.. i mean dont get me wrong.. the procedural generation for planets is awesome.. and i love the fact that planets have different biomes... But the POI bullshit is so stipid, i cant believe they thought it was a good idea... If youre gonna make planets procedurally generated, they make the fuckin poi procedurally generated too ffs, they should put up a system that uses outpost modules to build random bases so every POI you visit is different, whats worse of those same POI are literally used in main missions and factions quests, like wtf is with bethesda, i could excuse the loading screens but this was crap, completely stopped playing the game, i guess ill see it in 5 years when modders finally fix Bethesda's mess as always, what a shitty useless company.. imma just enjoy cyberpunk now, which is quite literally 100x better with little to no loading screens
NMS uses a coordinate system that saves key locations like resource nodes and buildings that it seeds the planet with. The locations of those are the same. However, the planet procedurally generates from where you land. Technically you could circumnavigate the planet but it would take forever like days on foot if not weeks real time. What is nice about this system is if you find a good resource or cool building you can always go back to those coordinates. Just don't always expect the terrain to be the same. When you put down a base it kinda hard locks the area around it so it is mostly the same when you return although NMS still has some small glitches with this and the procedural terrain. I've had trees grow out of my base buildings and stuff but for the most part that doesn't happen.
This is entirely incorrect. Try again.
My experience with NMS is that for a big part you are looking for planets that fill a need (be that core gameplay or current meta) and do so without too many negatives. Like early on you want planets that provide ready access to certain materials but aren't too hostile environmentally so you don't hemmorhage resources top up some shield or stuff.
I think a very big benefit of using this POI system is that its pretty easy for them (or modders) to add POIs to be pulled from.
it's the same system from fallout 1 and 2, where you open the world map and click on point for the character to travel to, and if they stop at a non point of interest point on the map then the game will generate / choose from premade map / tileset, sometimes with random encounter / landmark. it works really well in creating an illusion of a very large world back then considering the processing limitation.
Looks like Starfield's procedural generation does suck
Nowhere in the direct or interviews have I seen that statement about these locked 1km areas around the landing point. Todd did talk about about how planets are stitched together from blocks of procedurally generated terrain, and that points of interest are generated when you first load a planet.
Which sounds like static seamless planets made with a mixture of procedural tools and handcrafting, not ingame procedural generation. And then handcrafted POI that drop into the terrain interchangeably.
Also worth noting that there are ingame markers shown well over 1km away, and that Todd talks about fast traveling back to your ship because you can explore very far with a jetpack. At jetpack speeds shown in the gameplay you'd hit a 1km limit in probably 60 seconds which would make fast travel a bit pointless.
yeah ingame procedural generation would be stupid because that would send every player rrandomzied terrain making it near impossible for moder to add stuff
pretty sure they used a seed for the planets that every player shares
I'm not at all interested in terrain that's handcrafted. Pass.
On the Points of Interest and whether they may become repetitive, I wonder if a solution on that could be attaching a rarity figure to it?
So, abandoned mining facilities for example would be more common than crashed capital ships which would be an extremely rare occurrence?
it'll be very interesting to see how it's all handled for sure.
no man sky with 18 quintillion plants: allow me to introduce myself
I hold onto the optomism that Todd thought about the number of hand-made locations being a huge deal. He repeats himself many times about how exploration and each planet should feel different so with that I have to believe they've made plenty of these locations.
From my understanding Bethesda has used procedural tools to create 1km2 cells of terrain that can be tiled across an entire planet. The same tools would also allow cells to spawn different ground textures, vegetation, rock formations, crystals etc depending on the overpainted biome map.
Once a planet has been made with tiles and painted with the biome map the terrain is then static, allowing Bethesda to go in and place larger terrain features by hand. Mountain ranges, cities etc. Or smaller fixed items like a Mars rover.
And each cell/tile has a number of markers for POI, which are handcrafted locations that drop into the landscape interchangeably. Depending on settings for each planet more or less POI will spawn.
Can they add things like lakes oceans rivers or waterfalls?
@@WhackTony Lakes and oceans seem to be getting handled by placing dedicated coastline/water tiles. We haven't yet seen the shorelines close up except the lake west of New Altantis on Jemison but a number of planets have been shown with water biomes.
And we have seen rivers on the orbital map of Jemison but it's unclear if these are hand placed or part of the generated tiles. No shots on the ground yet to show river features like waterfalls but they were present in older Bethesda games.
Problem is, that the animals are hand crafted so sadly I feel like they will be a lot of duplicates on different planets making less variety and killing the immersion, also the planets aren’t that big but have the illusion of looking bigger, still though I think it looks 100x better than no man’s sky
Even no man's sky's procedural animals seem to repeat due to lack of variety in the creation pool
I have heard that only 10% of planets will have life, and that was a guestimate range thats likely smaller.
Good explanation man, well done!
Cringe 🙄 Play Skyrim or something
I'm so excited for Starfield, haven't really been excited any other games recently. When I saw the gameplay showcase, I was so blown away. I did not expect that level of depth from this game. I'm anxious to see what modders can do.
I believe that the way you are interpreting the "endless" planets is correct, as pointed out by other's Starfield may not have the typical black screen that Bethesda is known for, but they do still have loading points. All of the cinematic shots we have seen, such as entering our ship, standing and sitting in the pilots seat of our ship, etc, they are all creative ways of loading things without taking us out of the game itself. So even though people were upset that planet to space would not be seamless, I believe it may still be "seamless" by being a cinematic, which is something I don't actually mind compared to it being a fade to black.
Modded POI would definitely be a game changer for extended play
Absolutely no Star Citizen killer, if you cant fly around on planets, but it just generates a 1x1km chunk.
It’s not just the ambition of Bethesda that has me so excited.
It’s the passion.
It’s not going to suck.
In fact, I feel that Starfield has the makings of one of the greatest games ever created.
Edit:
I know a lot of people are complaining about empty planets. But to be honest, I’m hoping for empty planets. I want them to replicate the feeling of being completely alone on an unknown planet.
And since I’ll be playing on my series X, I’ll be locked at 30fps. And I truly couldn’t care less. I only really want high frame rate when playing FPS or other competitive games. When it comes to single player games, I just want a smooth and stable experience.
Idc what anyone says. I’ve never been more excited for a game to release in my life.
Careful, over hype can make even a good game feel disappointing.
The passion of Todd telling lies maybe. 16x times the detail, bro
Same like people want everything to be 60 fps but a game of this caliber is good to have 30fps because of how the scale is plus it’s not hindering bg series s players becasue when you have to implement graphics you put all your effort on that and not the gameplay and one thing I can say about bethesda games the sknr xare about graphics
everyone said this about no man's sky. walking around doing nothing is not generally fun. cataloging plants and animals is not fun.
Don't forget they made Fallout 76
Brother I cannot wait for another video!
I hope it has more alien looking fauna like the one in the Avatar movies, so far we've only seen Earth like plants and trees
I think you've slightly misunderstood the way he described the process:
They figure out the biome and elements based on distance from the sun and the size of the planet, then use pre-generated 1km terrain squares with point-of-interest spots set up on them corresponding with interesting or suitable land shapes... then they add appropriate flora and fauna, and last, as you move within the worldspace, they add their hand-crafted points of interest at the nearest POI spot on the current land piece, and that is saved to your savegame file when you save, so the things discovered thus far are permanent after you save.
Well well well.....
0:17 how did the gunplay look lacklustre. It looks like every possible first person shooter ever made. It’s kinda hard to expand on such a fundamentally limited concept as guns. You hold them, point them and shoot. There’s not much to expand on except types of guns.
Enemies felt bullet spongy, there was little reaction from them. That's why it felt a little bad.
I like the idea of them doubling down on the scale of random encounters like in other bethesda titles. Where now instead of something just on the scale of a couple npcs on patrol you might encounter something on the scale of a dungeon. I really hope they pull it off well because this could really turn up the replayability in a major way for me.
There has to be a reasonable size limit to planets if there aren't any ground vehicles to speed up travel. You can't walk around an entire world. It would take way too long.
since there are over 250000 lines of dialogue i think its safe to say there will be hundreds of hand crafted locations. i truly believe this game will be Bethesda's best work! great video!
it is 25 years in the making which is just pure insanity
@@Drewkungfoonah, the game engine is 25 years old not the game itself.
@@lmeza1983 The game engine being used has been around since 1998!?
Hands down the best explanation of this on UA-cam.
Only it isn't because it is wrong, The planets aren't "random".
@@____uncompetative I don't remember him saying that the planets themselves would be random. What he said would be different or random is the points of interest on each planet (outside of quest stuff). Maybe even perhaps the creatures based on the biomes of the planet.
@@____uncompetative Okay 🤡, tell me how it works then.
@@LiberatedMind1 From my understanding (disclaimer) Bethesda has used procedural tools to create 1km2 cells of terrain that can be tiled across an entire planet. The same tools would also allow cells to spawn different ground textures, vegetation, rock formations, crystals etc depending on the overpainted biome map.
Once a planet has been made with tiles and painted with the biome map the terrain is then static, allowing Bethesda to go in and place larger terrain features by hand. Mountain ranges, cities etc. Or smaller fixed items like a Mars rover.
And each cell/tile has a number of markers for POI, which are handcrafted locations that drop into the landscape interchangeably. Depending on settings for each planet more or less POI will spawn.
@@____uncompetative he didnt say the planets are random he said the POIs on the planets would be
I think the biggest thing to note is that No Man's Sky has 18 quintillion planets, and is made by a pretty small dev team. Starfield has a VASTLY smaller 1000 planets, made by a huge budget developer with hundreds of people working on it, including artists. It honestly makes a lot of sense why they're limiting the planets to an exact number, because it ensures a certain level of uniqueness. Yes I'm sure there will be some repetition, but as a longtime No Man's Sky player (since day 1) this just won't be comparable. We're talking about 18 quintillion vs 1000. The more designers you have working on your game, the more potential there is for variety on this scale. And I will say, having landed on a ridiculous amount of planets over the years in NMS (I am one of those people that loves just landing and exploring as many as I can, I wouldn't be shocked if I have visited at the very least 500 if not many more) I have still found some new assets or at least new variations. And that's with a very small dev team
The difference between 18 quintillion and 1000, especially in terms of managing procedural content, is insane. It's a nearly unfathomable number. I have very little doubts that Bethesda can pull this off. 1000 planets is quite literally a walk in the park compared to tha
The thing that keeps most people playing NMS is not that every planet is different, it's actually the gameplay systems. I think Starfield has a very real opportunity to do the former, with every planet being noticeably different as well as including their gameplay systems. And this is becuase they've locked it down to a smaller, exact number. It won't be perfect, but I think the gaps will be much less noticeable
Also 10:35 This is a cool transition
I honestly feel like the planets won’t be bad at all. I think the hand made planets will jam packed with near endless content so it’s not like we’re fully relying on the other planets.
Yes, because we can trust Todd Howard to ever say anything one either knowledgeably or two truthfully, cause that’s his MO right to properly and fully inform us and then to be 100% truthful about what he’s saying your people deserve what you get you really do. I hope you pre-ordered.
One thing I'm really hoping for are the variations on these points of interest. Like there may be tons of abandoned basis and stuff that you find throughout your game, but I'm really hoping that even if they maybe look similar on the outside, they have maybe a procedural map generation on the inside kind of like Diablo so everytime you go into these dungeons, or whatever you would call them, they will be different and not have the same layout.
They could also have "chunks" of stuff that's stuck together procedurally. A dozen garages, a dozen food preparation areas, a dozen medical bays.... picked out and arranged.
i wasn’t sure this guy was making an important point until what he said came on screen.
Looks like you were right to be skeptical LUL
What is like to know is- Obviously once something is discovered (as in, procedurally generated), it’s then locked into place in your specific game save, right?
Yes, the proc generation is used to generate the planet and place points of interest when you approach the planet. Once the planet is generated and POIs are placed it will be static for that playthrough
Man I'm highly skeptical of any video game high but I've got to admit I am out of my mind waiting for starfield
I want a game with like 4 planets total. Really nice ones.
Todd did NOT say it's 1KM when you land, he said the tiles are designed to 1km x 1km - When you land I suspect at least a 3x3 tiles will be created for the reason of distance to caves outposts, and other mountains.
If they do it right, it should feel infinite to the player. Which is the main thing. I should at least feel like the option is there, to explore around as far I want to. And if as we move out further, the procedural generation is so good that movement between tile groups feels seamless and goes unnoticed, its going to be great! It'll feel truely VAST and immersive.
@@ChessArmyCommander I believe this will be the case, the planets are pregenerated height maps so the same mountain will always be in the same spot from what I understand. It's what goes on the surface that is different, buildings, settlements, mines etc.
@@harag9 I'm going to look for an opportunity to cliff dive while wearing the boost pack. lol If I can do that, it'll be quite interesting!
I did see some pretty big rocky areas/mountains during the Direct. Right? 🤔
@@ChessArmyCommander Great Idea. I plan on landing near a large lake, or coast line and following it... take an image of the planet before I land and try and work out how much the two match. Yes I know the scale different might be quite big given the size of the planets when they selected. 1 pixel on planet select page could well be 50x50 km in size... but it's going to be fun exploring. Can't wait. I found No mans sky quite boring, yet Elite dangerous was interesting, though baron. :)
Your channel deserves more subs man i love your editing style
I like the way they are doing it. A combination of hand made and procedural.
You getting it on launch day?
@@panamike6178 I already bought the special edition. The game unlocks 8/31/23 at 5pm Pacific
the 1.2 km distance at 8:45 is possibly NOT outside of the 1KM tile generated. If the tile is a square then you could be looking at a distance that is DIAGONAL. a 1 X 1KM square tile could have a max distance within the square of 1.41 KM's (the hypotenuse) , remember: a^2 + b^2 = c^2
It sucks
Random gen never turns out as good as hand crafted worlds. They NEVER will be.
This video didnt age well
how do great channels like this one not get more traction. beautiful narration voice, reminds me of Lemmino
well.......
Everything aside, you are one of the best small creators out there that I've come across. I have seen you Forza Horizon and Battlefield videos and i couldn't agree more. The way you edit your videos and explain your point is truly majestic. You are able to grab a viewers attention even with our generation's hella small attention span and make them understand you. I hope that you one day become one of many big creators because your points are fax and even if they weren't you could still make a point for something that's truly horrible just by the way you present yourself. Keep it up and I would be more than happy to run games with and tell me your opinion about them.
I haven’t felt this way about a game since rdr2. Can’t wait and really hope they deliver.
And how did your prediction worked out ? The game is a joke and the moders will have to pick up the pieces again.
Starfield modding is already on life support. The game failed in every aspect possible to the point where it even chased away modders.
If you intend to get the game and can afford the premium edition on steam, then just buy it, you get 5 days early access, so technically you can have 120 hours in the game before release and refund it right before release as its classed as a beta test that steam will allow refunds on regardless of hours put in and because the game isn't released, the hours don't count until after release (only works with pre-order games with early access plays). If you enjoy the game, you don't bother refunding if you think its worth the money or you refund it if it bores you shittless after a few hours, its a win win, waiting for a complete stranger's review of the game will not give you the exact information you need to know how a game feels to play, and that does tend to influance if that person likes or hates the game, so just test it yourself and refund it before it releases if its boring as shit.
Bethesda scammed me £100 with fo76, won't be buying this till its on sale 😂
😆Yeah wait for the reviews of this one, don't pre-order a thing.
Absolutely amazing video! ❤ great quality well put together and just overall entertaining to watch! Good stuff man! With quite a few hours into NMS myseld i couldnt agree more with what you said. U earned urself a new sub
After watching your video, Tbh you weren’t far off. The title is a bit disingenuous though as you were a lot more skeptical about the proc gen in the video.
I think people just had wild expectations for the exploration, and don’t realize planets are mostly, big, empty and somewhat barren.
I watched moist critical’s stream, and the dude was so stupid, he tried to run from the north pole of jemison down to the city which is on the other side 😂
It’s like trying to run from greenland to Chile 🤦♂️ It would take you months, even without the boundaries.
I’m actually very impressed how the graphics look now.
i can give u one point of view why it will suck. co-op or online play. mixed with single player can't get both in this game... thus we in 2023 and we can't have both it must be one or the other it seems
Not once has a Bethesda mainline game been co-op. They do not need to be. We rarely get single player games these days and many of us are missing and craving those. You want co-op Bethesda go play ESO or F76.
@@StellarisIgnis 57% of gamers prefer single-player over multiplayer games, compared to 22% who prefer multiplayer games. While the overall preference for the single player mode holds true across all age segments, the degree to which the single player mode is preferred differs significantly with age. For older gamer segments (35+), the single-player mode is mainstream and preference for multiplayer games remains niche. However, the younger the gamer, the less this difference is pronounced. Quoted by "Karol Severin" Karol is MIDiA’s senior games analyst and VP of data. His key research areas cover the games value chain, strategy for developers, publishers and distributors, gamer psychology and behavior's as well as cross-entertainment opportunities.
the problem is not about single player or multiplayer. its the idea of making both in one game. this is 100% possible to have both tho the company will cheap out and favor one over the other because of the cost involved. its cheaper to run a single player game collect data from you and your PC as you play it and sell this data to other companies.
while you're Opinion matters and i'v herd this a number of times that there is not enough single player games out there. but yet how is it that every online game i play. i play them solo? ahh yes, it means i get to choose what i want and how i want to play and im not bound by the game being only single player. this also means if someone wanted to join me all they would have to do is ask or even family could want to join me and we can bond that much more closer. can't ever do that in a single player game. you're wife or husband or kids can only sit there and watch you play. waste your life away.. you're only stuck with that single choice. now if only it was co-op or online you'd be able to bond with the family or friends. and on top of this you still get to choose if u want to play solo or not. with a single player game u don't get this choice.
2:30 i respect this opinion but as someone who's been playing this game since launch, i wonder how many folks actually read the stories you find at crash sites, terminals, monoliths, etc. NMS storytelling is similar to Bungie's Marathon from the 90s on the Mac (the game that's getting rebooted at Bungie). read the stories at the terminals. the game isnt boring. it contextualises why the universe is the way it is & when taken with the updates in the 7 years since, really makes the world feel consequential regardless of how sparse it can seem.
"magnificent desolation" indeed.
I have done everything NMS has had to offer several times over on separate playthroughs permadeath included. The game gets old.
@@StellarisIgnis Especially since you can just make infinite money easily.
Due to the sheer size of the planets in this game, which are galactic monstrosities, you won't be interested in exploring everything in the game. You'll have 100 life-planets to explore. On top of that, you'll want to explore several more planets which you may find aesthetically unappealing, but you'll need them for resources and base-building purposes. Plus, you'll be forced to visit many more planets for questing purposes. Any more than that would be to find hidden items and locations, but most people will burn out long before that. The average gamer has the patience of a gnat. They'll never 100-percent this game, yet they'll continue to whine and complain about anything that they can dream up. About a game that is still two months from release.
This is the truth!
I might 100% it. Depends. I spent probably tens of thousands of hours grinding skills in Wurm, and this looks a hell of a lot more interesting :)
I think they are basically treating planets more like items, with the procedural generation being more dependent on the stats of these planets and the randomization of where each player will experience what rather than precedurally generating content. This also creates a tier-based system for planets similar to items, where some planets will have more gameplay value than others.
Bethesda have talked about how many points of interest they have. Todd said its more than any other game they’ve created. So its probably well over 500
Its gonna be 20.
Great video, I'm surprised why you have only 1.8k subs. I hope you grow fast
most pessimistic UA-camr on the planet and the one positive video was this?!?!
gotta be a troll fr .
I don't know if it's that exact same interview or not but Todd does clarify that you will be able to explore entire planets. He mentions these 1x1km grids as how they "usually" do them and then went on to explain how they "wrap" the planet with these grids and how it sort of "just worked" (lmao famous last words though) so I do believe we will see entire planets in the game.
Especially since they are generated on the fly I don't see how in 2023 they couldn't do that now. Especially since Todd has also said he has wanted to make Starfield for ages and just weren't able to until now due to technology. That to me says it's ready and the time for this is now.
I bet u feel silly rn
I have tried to explain it to people, but this video is probably the best on the topic I have seen. Well done.
Congratulations. You were absolutely off the target. Starfield is a really bad game that offers no fun at all.
But oh wait. Potatoes. 🤦♂️
And here I am, with close to about 2000 hours played in NMS.
Inflate the expectations, so that even your dreams can't compete with them.
Its just my opinion but I think they have as many points of interests as there are planets. So in one playthrough it might be actually difficult for the average player to find all of them. Because I believe that points of interest can range in size and complexity like some could be entire abandoned ( or even populated ) bases while others could be some old sculpture that we can interact with for some lore. So it would make sense that if there are 1000 POIs then 900 of those are just super simple. And I think a planet will definitely have several, just so that other planets can have less or even none. I could be wrong btw, but if this is true then I think that would be a good balanced system
I definitely agree with you but in some peoples defense I dont think the presentation made it super clear that the procedural stuff is the terrain and the actual locations of poi while the pois themselves are hand crafted. But yeah I'm not too worried about the procedural stuff. I'm super excited for what modders will do on these empty planets
I don't want ruin the hype train momentum. But Bethesda's track record lately has been... oof. So, guess time will tell.
I would like to mention something about procedural generation when it’s done right.
Some description of how there are “POI’s.”
You might’ve heard of 7 days to die. Back then it looked like minecraft, but with zombies.
But recently, it’s much more than that and actually has a wide arrangement of POI’s they have released for the game, and even big city poi. Which you can even set the percentage of the biomes, poi’s, if you choose to generate the map.
Speaking of, if you chose to generate a custom map, unlike minecraft being instant, this would take about 10 minutes or so. And then you would be shown the overhead of the map, and you could choose if you want to play on it, or try another generation.
Not saying anyone needs to play the game now but I would like you all to see how far procedural generation has gone, since I think procedural has come a long way. So even worst case scenario, maybe Bethesda could be adding POI’ spawns overtime just like that game. Or it’ll be predetermined, it’s hard to say.
In other words we have no clue if it's good or not. And most likely won't be
The diagonal across a 1x1 square is about 1.4km. So theoretically the player could still be bound to the 1km square that was mentioned previously, right?
Good on you for not falling for the preorder hype.
So it’s similar to remnants NG+ in a way.
Each play through will spawn different vendors/POI i’m assuming.
There’s only one way to find out. Do NOT make claims