Livewire One Tested: Range, Charging, and Riding Harley's Foray Into Electric Motorcycles
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- Join Jordan as he gives you a full deep dive on Livewire One. Including a walkaround, riding impressions, range test, and charging test. What do you think of EV motorcycles?
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TIMELINE
00:00 Intro
02:16 Walkaround
11:24 Ride Impressions
22:04 Charging Test
29:29 Range Test
38:52 Final Thoughts
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Good job, I’d love to see more videos on E-motorcycles, e-bikes, and other forms of electric personal transportation!
Fun facts:
Harley designed the battery pack so each cylindrical cell is touching the battery case in some way, and the battery case is designed with optimal passive cooling with fins and air ducts. Their BMS software leaves a lot of unusable battery for the sole purpose of being able to give the bike full power until low SoC.
On the other hand, Energica opted to pack in as many pouch cells as possible into their 21.5kWh pack, and give the rider maximum safe performance at all times while riding and charging. As a result, their bike has the illusion of throttling due to heat while charging, or decreasing SoC while riding. The first miniscule power cut on an Energica begins at 92% SoC, bigger stairstep at 60%, and very large step at 20%. Energica starts charging at peak 24kW rate and tapers gradually from there as pack temperature allows. It's still the fastest charging motorcycle over a day trip, but with the Livewire the charging is repeatable every charge. With an Energica you won't see 24kW again until the battery cools down for hours.
do you know what how many cells in series harley has? energica is 80S
at 1% battery SoC energica has 3,4-3,5V voltage on cells - preety high but even on 20% SoC acceleration and speed is significantly worse than 50-100%
PS i made trip in July on ss9+ (very hot day 32-35*C), at night when temp drops to 22*C i made charging from 30 to 90% and batt temp was 42-45*C - after riding in 18-19*C for over 2 hours (80-90kmh almost all the time) to next charger - battery cool down to 25*C and I got full power from 10 to about 70% - so touring with energica with fastest charging speed will be good with lower temps - 15-20*C should be good for bike and rider but if someone use to ride in lower temps I think this is will be even better for bike
@@duniek86 I forget, but they use 70 cells in a 15.5kWh pack. If I knew the voltage I could figure out a close configuration
@@austina4189 i found on one site - they mention 254VDC so probably 70s
So excited to see you guys venturing into electric motorcycles. I really believe this category is set to explode in the coming years. Prices should theoretically come down and make electric bikes the cheapest entry into EV transportation.
Side note, I don’t know how you pulled off such clear voice audio while riding, but it sounds great and matches the style of your live, limited editing impressions I’ve grown to really enjoy.
Thanks, Scott! Really looking forward to covering more. It's an exciting space with lots of improvements combined with slow growth, so it's a great segment to cover.
I did my research and bought my Zero SR/S for about $20K USD. I just added the extra battery for $3K USD. 110Hp, 150ft-lb torque in Sport Mode. Other 4 modes are less. Speed is governed to 124mph in Sport mode, 120 in Normal mode, 70mph in Eco mode. Before the extra battery, 90-110 miles range. After the extra battery is installed, 130-160miles. Both stats are highway around 65-80mph average where I am in Tampa Bay area. In City traffic, the range stat stays the same or increases. Brakes and off throttle charges the battery, except in Sport mode. Biggest issue I ran into is in Sport and Normal modes, there is no downshifting (engine braking). I had to be very careful and watch my stopping distance since I'm on brakes only. Storage is about 2 gallons of empty space where the gas tank is supposed to be. If you add the extra battery, you lose the storage space. I decided to buy a Hayabusa to go farther when I want. Zero has 120V and 240V charging capability using a J1772 cable. 120V charging cable/adapter included.
12/26/23 - update. Zero SR/S has been at dealer over 2 months now. Zero has no idea why it is not working with extended battery installed. They think they diagnosed it to one part and its been ordered and may arrive this week. confidence is low at this point.
How's it going for you now, problem fixed?
This is one of the best videos on the channel. Really excellent presentation, layout, and production.
This is the single best electric motorcycle review ever, seriously. Really impressive the level of research and detail in it. Can't wait to see you do more motorcycle reviews. Couple tidbits. While there is no windshield, the LiveWire does use it's aerodynamic headlight to force air up in front of the rider and create a (virtual?) 'wind shield' that lowers the pressure of the air on the rider. When I first test rode the LiveWire in 2019 the factory engineer was pointing out this feature and I felt it was quite noticeable. The charging is faster than the fastest zero (which is a 12.6kW rate), since you were able to add in about 13.6 kW in an hour (and seven minutes). The Zeros taper down too, so I think their claimed fastest 100% charge (they now call it 110% - because they sell bikes with the top 10% locked) is around an hour and a half; if not a tad more. The 'one hour' thing is charging to 83% (which they call 95% out of 110%, go figure).
Regarding Energica, I think there are two models you should try to borrow (the dealer in Santa Fe is closest?). The Energica Ribelle RS with its 21.5 kWh battery and the new Energica Experia touring-oriented motorcycle with its 22.5 kWh battery (the Experia also was designed in an actual wind tunnel to maximize range). I believe the dealer is getting the new Experia demo model in the next month or so. The Ribelle RS will be able to do a fancy 0-60 in 2.6 seconds. The limiting factor on all these bikes is traction safety, so the dirty secret is the launch power is held back to prevent the rider from killing themselves. The Energica releases full power after 30 mph or so... so the 30-90 passing acceleration is 'insane'. Things you will notice on the Energica: It has an option for an even higher regen level than the Harley (I'd place the Harley halfway between Zero and Energica on regen), allowing true 'one-pedal driving'. We've been able to do the entire Tail of the Dragon at speed without brakes. The Energica has a unique throttle that allows you to 'feather' the regen in just as you throttle up, with an intentional dead zone to allow true coasting. Takes some practice. But if that's too tricky; for true range testing I advise to shut down all regen and then set it to rain mode to hold in the throttle aggressiveness (eco and rain are almost identical in power, but rain mode unlike eco has no speed limiter). For safety, only Energica has a patented eABS that prevents you from over-throttling the rear tire into a spin/traction-loss. It has the BOSCH traction control system that everyone else has, but that kicks in after a slip/grip-loss. The Energica eABS is based on track testing and kicks in 'before' a predicted grip loss - limiting throttle for safety. Nothing is perfect, you can still loose grip with either system, but the combination adds a little extra safety -- especially in spirited curves. Finally, subsequent charging will slow down on the Ribelle due to accumulated battery heat, but the Experia should show a substantial improvement in that area. The Energica philosophy here is to allow you to charge at the maximum the battery can handle at any time; rather than limiting the overall charge initially (when cold) to evade overheating.
Oh yeah, one more thing, the Cannonball EV bike record was more recently broken by Steven Day (sorry Diego) on an Energica Ribelle at 111 hours; and the cross-country EV motorcycle record is currently held by Daren Sorenson on an Energica Ego (76 hours).
I enjoyed your test. I believe this could be my next bike.
Owned one for two years now. Most fun I’ve had on a bike. Currently have two other Harleys (Road King and XR1200) but I look for excuses to go somewhere just to ride the ELW. After watching Long Way Up I figured I could manage Northern Virginia and there are enough DC Fast Chargers in this area that I can ride 300 miles in a day. The only rattles I hear going over bumps is the Level 1 cable under the seat. Original H-D ELW included two years of charging on EA and at H-D dealers with Chargers. I mostly charge at EA stations. Thanks for the review.
Good edits and a good review on the range‼️
Thanks for the thorough review and tremendous Front Range sampling (drool, drool). Good to see that the Interstate range was better too.
Wow. That’s a nice bike. For daily around town it think it’s great especially in the Spring to Fall. Thanks for the great review. Looking forward to your other reviews with the other E bike. Thx
Great review. Thanks Jordan
Very nice review. Thanks!
Great video. Congratulations and regards from Salamanca, SPAIN.
There are lots of e-bikes and motorcycles out there. I hope you have plans to test as many as you can. Your channel covers the not so popular boring technical aspects of the products most people don't care about. But nerds like me love this stuff and there are few Tubers doing it so please continue and make this segment yours on this channel. Thanks 😊!
Thank you for your review and thank you Livewire for a SOLID REAR FENDER instead of that split fender style you see on some cruisers and customs. Those might look stylish but they are pretty impractical for wet and sloppy roads. Looks like a great bike, I'd love to have one.
I love mine. When attacking my hilly backroads here in Pennsylvania, I get about 120-125 miles of range thanks to the regen. The bike is a different level of play than the zero and has a peerless dealer network in the United States.
What part of PA are you in? My uncle lives in Malvern, I plan on going there sometime this summer to ride
Now this is the way bike reviews should be done. Good work. Thanks for posting.
Awesome review. I just purchased a livewire one here in Phoenix, AZ 4 days ago and I love it. Traded in a Harley Ultra Limited. Was hoping tall would do a review on this at some point.
How are the charging options in Phoenix?
I had a test ride yesterday,omg I loved it so much , you critter lack of noise but I call it a bonus , it was great for seeing deer up close, I just really wish it had more highway range , its just not enough .
Great Video !
I would like to point out to everybody that 16 kW level 2 charging used to be available but no longer is. There's still a few places that allow level to charging it up to 11 kW and the 14.4 kilowatt battery on the zero will still take over an hour and 20 minutes more like an hour and a half to charge. If you found an 11 kW charger, most likely you're going to find a 7 kilowatt charger and you're looking at a charge time of two to two and a half hours to bring your zero motorcycle back up to a full charge. Most likely about 2 hours and 15 minutes, which is twice the time it took him on this bike. Level 3 is important because it does allow you to charge much faster overall and again. The zero motorcycles are depending on having really fast level 2 charging where realistically pretty much all the level 2 charging in the US is a medium rate speed and if you want to have a bigger on board battery and you want the battery tank then you have to sacrifice your really fast AC charging or level 2 charging with the zero. Where is you? Don't have to do that with this bike because it gives you actual DC fast charging and can charge in half the time a zero can based on being realistic in the fact that the level 2 chargers are generally all limited to 32 amp which is 7.2 kW and the zero has a 14.4 kilowatt battery to start off with. You're looking at 2 hours of charge time on the zero. Granted it is slightly easier to find level 2 chargers, but then again level two chargers are not along highway corridors so that slate bit of extra range you gain on the zero motorcycle on the highway is negated by the fact that you're probably going an extra 5 mi one way off of the highway if you're doing a long road trip to charge and also the fact that you have to sit there and wait twice as long to recover back to the same state of charge on the zero not to mention the fact that there is less zero dealerships now in 2023 than there were in 2017 when they were a company. That was only 3 years old at the time because the dealer network was a bunch of old guys who thought they wanted to be motorcycle dealers. That turns out they hated it and they wanted to retire so they're not even selling off the zero stuff that they have the rights to. They're just abandoning it all together. Like in my local area I have to go all the way to freaking Trinidad from Loveland Colorado to find a zero dealer now. We had one in Loveland but old guy got paranoid schizophrenia during covid. Literally and abandoned his dealership where he sold Urals and zeros at the price point that this comes in at which is about 8 grand lower than I thought versus the eight grand more expensive for an energy gas starting off. I would much rather have a live wire, but the level two charging on an energy car would be nice as well however, I would not like the restriction of only being able to level two charge on a zero in a pinch. I would like to be able to stop at a fast charger or level three charger and charge up quickly remember in the US you're going to be extremely hard pressed to find a level 2 charger. That's much more than 7 kW and this thing charges at between 20 and 24 kW to start off with at the low end of the battery and then runs apparently pretty much 10 kW almost till it's finished charging which means at no point in the charging curve until it's almost done, is the bike charging any slower than the zero would be charging and given the fact that this gets a charge rate of three times, maybe even three and a half times faster on the bottom end of the battery then the zero can charge at cuz. Again, all of the level 2 chargers in America are almost exclusively maxing out at 7 kW of output. So that means that your zero motorcycle will take forever and is not as friendly on a road trip as the live wire. Not to mention that most level 2 chargers are not located off highway corridors which the level three chargers are and considering that the zero comes in at the same price or more expensive, I would definitely rather have the live wire and yes, especially since you made a comparison to the zero and the energy ka, I would like to see you get your hands on both of those bikes head out to Bennett and do the same tests on those motorcycles that you did on the live wire.
What a nice to watch review! Even the range test was quite entertaining. I ride the Zero FXE for over a year and 8500km now and usually don't need more range. I think the Livewire One ticks most of my boxes and I really love the design and quality feel of it. I'm really catching myself ogling it more frequently but I'm also not ready to swap my ultra nimble city hooligan FXE for it ... yet.
Still haven't figured out where they hide the cocaine on the LiveWire 😉
Thanks for a very in depth and usefull review. I know motorcycles especially electric are a small niche in personal transportation but would love to see regular features on e motorcycles.
What kind of features?
By the way, the rattle is from the EVSE which is stored below the seat. I had to put some foam there to damp the clunks and it's much better now
good tip!
You'll have to make a trip to Australia when Savic Motorcycles release their C-Series at the end of the year!
What is your mic setup in your helmet??? I thought it was a voiceover at first! Super quiet from wind noise.
Is it me or does the video have a duplicate section around 13:35? Like the same 20 second audio bite plays twice?
Great review. I'm curious about what EV motorcycle has the fastest per-mile charging either level 2 or DC fast charging. BTW, you mentioned Zero and Energica- what about BMW's CE-04? Any thoughts of testing one of those? FYI, long time rider who's EV curious for commuting, and for having a motorcycle to haul in my RV for camping/riding.
Very nice review, we need a Zero motorcycle next
Try the tarform if you get a chance it’s amazing!!!!!
Did coast to coast 5 times on a R80G/S BMW (the only true G/S) with no faring. With 44 liter Acerbis/HPN tank made in 10/81.
Would love a trike version of this.
Great video. Just wish you could HEAR it all.
What's your helmet mic setup? Mic audio is great!
Yes, this!
The fact that AC charging is capped at 1.5kW is really bad. That's 10 hours dead to full. Fine for overnight, but there's lots of places that have destination chargers. Would have been nice to have a 24A level 2 for 2.5hr recharging. That way if you go and eat or hang out somewhere you'll probably be back to 90% unless you were all the way dead.
The included EVSE is not a great design either, having the big box right on the plug means you won't be able to use it with most outdoor receptacles as they're usually recessed in the weatherproof box. You'll want to carry one of those short 18" extensions with you for travel.
It is a cool bike though, but I'll wait to get an electric one when density and/or range doubles in a touring style so I can travel with friends' 200 mile range gas bikes.
The lever is is only front dude. The Regen did light up the brake.
Zero 14.4 are selling for 8-10 off used with under 1500 miles on 'em. 200+ mile range.
Sounds like the way to go! Links?
Does accidental Kill switch say at 70mph remove all power ? Is it just a matter of pressing start right away ?
At around 15:26 there are two orbs flying overhead. Perhaps balloons but the one on the left flickers invisible and then visible again for a split second
Can you review the ryvid anthem motorcycle?
Did you catch Long Way Up - Ewan McGregor riding one of these all the way up South America?
Jordan has watched it 3 times so far... we think he has FOMO.
Probably the big plus to Level 2 charging only would be cost since L2 tends to be cheaper to use than DCFC.
Try to get in touch with Erik Buell of Fuell about their upcoming Fllow, should compete with the upcoming Livewire S2 Del Mar byt unlike Livewire it will have L1, L2 + L3 charging!
Supposed to come out end of 24' but there has not been much direct coverage aside from company promos and live stream q&a's
For me: it's the Experia. Long range and fast charging.
So what happens if you plug it into an L2 charger? Does it step down to 120V or not work at all? I’ve never heard of a level 2 charger only supplying current on one leg before, curious how this behaves.
on PDF manual of livewire - it has 1,4kW on board charger, on another youtuber's video guy said - 6-100% takes 12hours - energica has 3kW, zero srf or srs has 6,6kW (also you can buy additional 6kW so 12,6kW total)
But how about the blinkers? Are they auto-cancelling?
They are, yes. I mention this in the video a few times. They don't work in every scenario though, primarily intersection-type turns.
If livewire would build a small portable DC charger that you could connect on a NEMA 14-50 then cap it at 9.6 kw and then you could charge it at home quickly or if it was small enuf then you could bring it with you when a DC public charger is not available. or have a portable battery DC charger like tom had on one of his videos.
👌mostly
Do they sell the Livewire with the Long Way up mods?
Unfortunately, no. I'm in the process of 'Long Way Up-ifying' my livewire
Seems solid but dam they're expensive. A surron e-bike is $4K ish
I've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
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Interesting edit to include the comment about the 6-axis control twice.
With such “slow” fast charging I think a range test at 50-55 mph would be interesting. Also, since you mentioned aerodynamics so much, and the range being so low, it begs the question how much you can gain from installing a (legal) fairing to the bike.
It's got level 3 fast charging. I don't link he said level 3, but if it took an hour, that's level 3.
I was hoping it would charge fast because it has automatic gears and automatic gears in regular motorbikes increase the mpg from 56mpg to 87mpg so if it has the same effect on electric bikes the battery could be much smaller and charge much faster.
need more range.
Great review. For $23K, 83 miles of range is not enough. At that price point, I would like to see 120-150 miles. And real DC fast-charging.
yep not even close to worth it
Then you will love it when he reviews the Energica Experia.
I got an entire brand new EV for less than 23k and it does 150mi in the summer 😅 But I get it, the prices on these bikes will gradually come down as they become more mainstream. They don’t have economies of scale working in their favor yet.
This guy has so many hats it’s ridiculous
Love evs
At 37:20 the display at the end of your run says 125 Wh/mile, which appeared to be the average shown during your run. At 83.3 miles, would be 10.4kwh, but the advertised battery capaticy is listed as 14.5kwh, which was about your total charging current before the run, so I have to question is the 125Wh/mile actual wattage used by the motor or is the display inaccurate? And does the charging station show total watts delivered to the charging cable or that made it into the battery? My guess is that charging losses due to heat might be 10 to 20% which at 80% efficiency would end up with 11.6kwh into the battery, but if so where's the 10% that accounts for the 10.4kwh at 125 watt-hours per mile?
I like the idea of an electric motorcycle and would consider buying one someday, but the price makes them hard to justify as I'm not made of money. I'm also concerned about longevity. I like buying a nice motorcycle, taking good care of it, paying it off, and riding it for many years to come. A big question that comes to mind is how many charge cycles can you count on before the battery pack wears out and how much money will it cost to replace? Will it be worth it to replace the battery pack, or buy a whole new bike? I also wonder how many miles the electric motor will last compared to a gasoline engine. These are just a few of the questions that will have to be answered before I take the EV plunge.
I plan to buy a new Zero or a used LiveWire (the old with Halrey Davidson sticker and 14k+kilometers odo), What happens when battery wears out after 5+ years? I have to buy new stock battery for the cost of the bike or more?
I wouldn't be too concerned about the battery as long as the previous owner didn't store it at 0% or 100% for too long
@@AdventuresonZero thanks, I skipped the LV and ordered a Zero finally, but it turned out its baztery died by the storage at the showroom, still waiting for replacement.
@@fotoamgamgfoto3695 shame. I wish more dealers were aware of this. Many times I went by a LW dealer and would see their demo bikes sitting at 100% off the charger. Even worse is that this is all in the owners manual for most bikes. Leave it at 30-70% for storage keeps most batteries happy. Hope you're back on the road soon!
just 1 person can ride or it fits 2?
You can ride 2 up
Was that a level 3 fast charger in the video? You didn't say it was, but a full charge took an hour, so it must be level 3.
Yes, it's DCFC. 40 minutes to 80%, 1 hour to 100%
Loud Pipes Save Lives. LOL! Loud pipes (motorcycle, lawnmower, leaf blower, chain saw, +snow thrower) kill hearing. Tinnitus - 24/7/365 ringing in the ears is what loud pipes gives you! Just gotta be visible by every way you can on a bike. And gun it out of a squeeze when needed.
Well said
No level 2 is a miss.
Can still charge Level 2 at least - but yes sucks it won't take advantage of faster AC speeds
Did you verify speedo accuracy against GPS? Ice motorcycles across brands are generally optimistic by 10%. Don't see why this could not carry over to the electrics and could explain your higher than others range result. You seemed to have a lot of large truck/trailers passing you. I expect cagers to pass, but semi's generally go closer to posted speed.
I've noticed that my speed is usually 1-2 mph slower than indicated on the display. That's going against speed displays and using GPS
You may not know this.Now livewire has 2 more models
Ah, crap. I am just looking at them. My Energica EVA does 20kW max long periods. About 40min on my 11,4kWh pack.
Hoped it did 15kW average. The extra range might make it right. That's like 25% more on highway.
New LiveWire One owner. I wonder, how many users are able to use the "connectivity" features that LiveWire sells you on their page and in social media advertising? iPhone 15 pro owner and after a couple of weeks of in house tech calls and support and dealer service visits, the bluetooth will not pair and the LiveWire App will not activate. What is the "connectivity" worth? I know what it's worth on my Mustang Mach-e GT.
It would be interesting to see you on an Energica Esseesse 9 (or Ribelle) to compare to the Livewire. I owned a Livewire for a year and just traded it in for a Esseesse 9 after a test ride, it was that impressive.
Hack the speed limiter, take your freedoms into your own hands.
Please ask Electrify America to make things seamless for Canadians - presently nearly impossible for a Canadian to charge.
cONSIDERING THAT THE EARLY NISSAN lEAFS HAD LIKE 22KWH HOUR (NOT ALL USABLE) A ND MY jEEP 4XE HAD A 17 KWH BATTERY, A BIKE WITH A 15.5 (i THINK) KWH IS ACTUALLY IMPRESSIVE. i'D LIKE TO SEE A SMALLER BATTERY, MORE EFFICIENT BIKE SO IT WEIGHTS LESS, BUT THAT WON'T LIKELY HAPPEN. rEMINDS MA BIT OF MY CURENG MOTORCYCLE (hONDA cb1000r bLACK EDITION)
Except Zero does not have DC fast charging which makes it useless for long road trips. Not to mention Zero’s horrible customer service.
They need to have both CCS, and a fast Level 2. You can't expect a biker bar to put in a bunch of DCFC, but a Level 2 they might. They are much cheaper. You could get some real range with a 11.5kw charger over lunch and a beer.
Or even riding to work where the employer offers L2 for cars. For me it is L2 at work and L1 at home overnight for daily commuting.
Can you use grams instead of pounds?
Loud pipes save lives " true but only if you ride like you are invisible. .
Your range answer is at 37;40 70 MPH loop test on flat highway with slight wind. Total range of 83 miles (not too shabby).
I rode a Livewire when HD first came out with it. It was in Daytona at Rossmeyers the first day they officially came out to the public. It was called the Harley Livewire then. Now its just Livewire. The build quality was great. Burnt Orange color. It was a heavy sucker, although the weight is carried low. It was also very quick, the quickest HD made by far. I told the rep the ONLY thing that would keep this from NOT selling was the lofty $30K sticker. I said you'll sell all of them you can make at $19,995, but at $30K , you're asking for a Honda Accord.
Loud Pipes may Save Lives, but they also piss off the neighbors and general public.
Dealers hate Livewire. No money to be made on service.
LOL @ 83 miles as "not too shabby" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@doomsday9973 Key word, NOT too shabby. Yeah, not impressive, but neither Zero nor Arc are getting their stated range either. Lies, Lies and More lIes. Fundamantally, it needs a bigger tanks. Remember, the old Sportsters could barely get 100 out of their teardrop tanks. I could only squeeze a lil over 2 gallons into it.
@@alexnutcasio936 yeah I’ll stick to ICE sportbikes….
So in non nerd language how long does the battery last lol
100-130 miles is my average. The battery is rated, under normal conditions, to last about 12-15 years
An EV actually prefers high altitude, as long as it doesn't thermal throttle -- thus y'all's high results. Thin air = less drag, and drag is like 3/4 of your energy use, worse fraction with a bike than a car.
I drive 50km distance few meters after big truck on highway on energica - 85-90kmh avg speed- power consumption was about 1-3kw but in total I lost only 12% of SoC
No level II charging, big mistake!
You’d have to be masochistic to tour this bike. How about real world Sunday back roadability? Can you ride charger to charger with your crew and still see the sights? How many canyons can you carve? How about commuter range? Date night? All the things this bike is built for… Constant 70mph highway is miserable and not likely a common application for a bike like this.
I've done all the things you've listed - sans the group ride with ICE bikes. ua-cam.com/users/adventuresonzero
Zeros numbers are way overrated.
Great info, but may I suggest you better organize your thoughts and edit for pertinent content. You spent 41 minutes saying what should have taken only 15 minutes.
Holy crap I can't believe how inefficient ev bikes are I was expecting 8mi/kWh at minimum .
Crazy to think Aptera is claiming 100W/mi in a trike that weighs 3-4x more than this bike. This should be able to do 12-15 miles per kWh just cruising.
@@gbpg2016
Bikes are not aerodynamic at all.. A LOT of wind resistance.. And at highway speeds its a big factor. Same with ICE powered motorcycles.. even efficient bikes get 45-50MPG I get that in a 3500 lb Prius.
In stop and go slow traffic they might be much more efficient.
It's not a new normal, normal is ice bikes, This is tech that still needs a lot of development to get good. Never a classic and no emotion.
Result of "over a hundred years of how to make a motorcycle." Really? You've then never experienced a 1970's era Harley that dripped oil all over the garage.
You might want to wear boots when you ride a bike. For your own safety.
Yee to much plastic, more striped of and aluminium where needed, no plastic
for that price - all should be in carbon fiber
Loud pipes do not save lives, it is something we say to justify our exhaust systems and all the upgrades we put into our bikes. Riding with our eyes open and assuming we are invisible to everyone on the road will save lives.
I have enough range anxiety with my gas bikes let alone trusting these very short range electric bikes. For that price we should be getting fully loaded bikes fairings, bags, and bigger batteries and range. But we just aren't anywhere close to what I would consider acceptable in the EV bikes.
Over an hour to charge? No way I am putting up with that kind of recharge time. Range? OMG, no I mean OMG
I don't know that they can bridge that gap to make riding these EV bikes not a range anxiety mess. Get away from the front range out into rural Colorado and even ICE bikes range can become an issue. Ride an EV bike? Not on your life. I don't care what Ewan and Charlie rode for their publicity stunt. Not gonna happen.
A lot of us LiveWire owners agree that a lack of proper accessories was a miss from HD - however rumor has it that there were some in development, but it was cut from production.
@@AdventuresonZero I think you are crossing up your posts. I didn't post anything in reference to accessories for the Livewire. I watched the reviews. Saw the reality of the short range, long charge times, and the fact the places I ride are away from people and it didn't take long to rule out the Livewire, the Zero, and the rest. Range is too short and no place to charge.
Get back to me when it is CCS enabled, recharges in 10 minutes, and has at LEAST 150 miles range if not more on the HIGHWAY... Anything less and the EV motorcycle is out.
You're aware that a Ioniq 5, Kia EV 6 can recharge from 10%-80% on a 77kw battery pack in 18 minutes? And that is a good 150-200 miles of added charge. The EV motorcycle manufacturers got their work cut out for them. Time to step it up.
@@Longsnowsm yeah, good
@@Longsnowsm "For that price we should be getting fully loaded bikes fairings, bags..." I'm simply agreeing with you.
@@AdventuresonZero That is very true. These bikes are priced like they are equipped with all the touring and adv riding kit already. It is disappointing for sure. It is still pretty early days for EV bikes and these are like the model T of the electric motorcycle. Hopefully things will change and soon. EV's are nice, now we just deserve much better than this. I will keep watching and hoping something good comes up in the EV bike space.
Riding a battery operated motorcycle is like having sex with an AI Harley should be ashamed of themselves for even building such bikes