Thank you for clarifying this for me. Please keep my mom in your prayers. Her cancer is back, and starts chemotherapy again on Tuesday. Please pray for my mental health, unemployment, and hopelessness. Thankfully, we have the Lord Jesus Christ.
Blessed by your teachings. Sometimes I so wish Peter had either said more, or said less. Sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. One of the things we can look forward to at Christ's return is to more perfectly understand some of these things. Also I sometimes wonder when Christ was speaking to the thief on the cross if he meant . . . 1) I am telling you something today, and what I am telling you is that you will be with me in paradise, or 2) I am telling you, you will be with me in paradise today. That is are we sure whether 'today' goes with when the promise is being made, or when the promise will be fulfilled.
My mom always told me and my brothers that Jesus descended into Hell to tell the devil, "I win, you lose!" Kind of a modernized and Sunday School version of what Luther wrote. Thank you for your studies! I enjoy them very much.
So glad you made this even though I’m six years late to watching it. A year ago, I read Wayne Grudem’s systematic theology, and in it I think that’s where he argues against the fact that Jesus defended into hell (using passages like “it is finished” and “today you will be with me in paradise”). And at the end he concludes that we should just take that line out of the creed entirely because it isn’t biblically accurate. I was fully convinced. Then about nine months ago when I started down the Lutheran path, I realized the mistake and that YOU CAN’T JUST CHANGE THE CREED. So I kind of believed it by faith but without any reasons until this video. Thank you so much.
Hey, Pastor. I just came across this video and I got to the point of the video where you wanted us to find a resource of a specific sermon Martin Luther preached on. I know it's been 4 years since you posted this very video, but I got a link to a PDF file that others can download or view and I will post this in the comments section. I've listened to your videos before and I have learned quite a bit from you and am always willing to learn about the Word in any way I can. Praise be to God for you ministry work and I pray you do well in your work for God and His church. God's blessings to you
Hell was torn apart wen jesus descended into hell And he will come back fr us again in spirit as fr th body will go back to the soil and the spirit back to the father
‘...and keep us from going any further’. Such an important point. Please disregard the single ‘x’ in my previous comment. My finger must have slipped. Thank you. ✅✅✅
what was only revealed belong to us but secret things belongs to God...there are things that are not clear and some super pastors or theologians try to explain them resulting only in error...I agree "..and keep us from going any further"...
Jesus is omniscient, where ever 3 or more gather in His name he is there, my theory would be why not both? Plus we know time is different for God so there is another conundrum. Probably far more complex than a Back to the Future movie lol
I know the Gospel of Nicodemus (aka, Acts of Pilate) is not considered Canonical, but might I suggest reading it? Particularly chapters 12-21. Though; the entire script is worth the read! You won't be dissapointed. Enjoy!
Most lutherans say the Apostle's Creed in both their morning and evening prayers? I don't typically recite anything during personal prayer time. Should I be??
You may find some of the writings of Dr. Michael Heiser interesting on this topic. His view would comport with yours re: preaching to the enemies of the LORD that they have lost and He has won.
I actually took a break from Table Talk Radio to watch this! I like these videos (but I still miss the sheep a little bit). Great theology on a difficult question.
I don't know about online, but I have found it in Volume 2 of Henry E. Jacobs Book of Concord copyright 1908 pages 279-283. I picked up these volumes while I was at CTSFW as a reprint.
When Jesus died he went to paradise, where the righteous souls were, their was a gulf between paradise and hell he cross over , totally defeated, Satan and all his demons, took the keys of death,hell, and the grave, went over back to paradise and took the righteous to heaven with him, some saints came out of graves when the earthquake happened at his crucifixion and walked the holy city and was seen by many people. (Matthew 27:50-53)🤗😇
Thank you! I appreciate your teaching. Could you explain the belief of purgatory? My 18 year old son had questions about it, how the belief came about and what is the basis in Scripture for it? I do not believe it but I know many do and that it has a long history. I would be most grateful.
If you go on Lutheran Hour Ministry they have a great video series on the reformation and the videos in Part 2 do a great job of explaining where all the Catholic sacred traditions came from.
Good Sir, If You read this could you explain to me your take on what "Cornerstone Fellowship" meant when he explains Jesus' descent into hell. If you believe that doctrine or not. Thank you in advance.
I like Lenski's explanation of this. Because there is no time in heaven or hell, when Jesus was made alive in spirit (Jesus body, as Jesus is the Christ, God and man), Jesus descended into hell to proclaim victory over sin, death and the devil. Jesus is God after all and all things are possible. It doesn't make sense to me why Jeau would go to hell in spirit only, because if you believe he was the Messiah, the Christ, why would He go to hell as a spirit? And if he goes to hell to make proclamation to the spirits in prison, what is there to proclaim without his body? True the Bible doesn't say much, but does it need to? Jesus said he was the bread of life in John 6, 3 times, and people don't believe that either, he lost disciples over it.
Jesus physical body remained in the tomb for 3 days his spirit went to hades, Jesus spirit left his physical body on the cross. His soul/spirit united with his physical body on the 3rd day
That isn't how 1 Peter 3:19-20 explains it. And why would Jesus only go to hell in spirit. It wouldn't prove anything. If he goes in spirit and body, he would show the "spirits in prison" (not demons as he cast many out of people in his ministry before his death - they knew who he was). Then he came back to the garden and met Mary of Magdalene and the disciples. Abraham's bosom is a Jewish name for Heaven. So all believers go to heaven.
The Bible actually does say he freed the captive. Ephesians 4:8. Please be careful with the words you preach to the children of the lord. God says do not let any man deceive you.
We are all slaves of sin. Those are the captives of Ephesians. Some people have chosen to misread "chain of gloomy darkness" as referring to people released from Abraham's bosom to paradise, but that's not a coherent reading. They just don't like the alternative, that it refers to the angels who did not keep their place...which is literally what it says. Yes, Jesus came to deliver the good news of salvation to the people who awaited him in Abraham's bosom, but no, they weren't chained captives.
Honestly I'm so curious what really hell like if Im going to be given 3 wishes I would like to see Hell how's the soul there,I would want to see my good grandma if she's in heaven Also I want to see purgatory how do they ended up in the middle no of heaven and hell
Thank you Pastor. This was well done. Just one note of correction. We do not say "scripture does not say enough". It certainly tells us enough and all that we need. We might want to know more but what is revealed to us is enough. I think it was just a slip and I sometimes slip as well. Otherwise, well done. Thank you!
I know this is 5 years later. But, how do those in hell know to bow a knee to Jesus as it says in Phillipians 2:9-11? Especially if those before Jesus' life and death? After Jesus ministered to the spirits in prison, now everyone in heaven, earth ans under the earth know who Jesus is..
@@fuzzyaomeba2844 Because Jesus descended to Hell and revealed Himself as the promised Messiah whom they rejected. As it says in 1 Peter 3: 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), 1 Pe 3:18-20.
Neither the Nicene or the Constantinople creeds included the inclusio. It wasn't until a 100yrs later do we find the Apostle's creed is referenced in a letter. The Aquilian Creed of mid to late 400AD, added the inclusio as a Greek mysticism. The Athanasian Creed of 600AD added the inclusio for an entirely different reason.... to buttress the "dead and buried" to combat those arguing that the Jesus didn't really die physically. NO ONE worth their exegetical salt uses 1 Pet 3 to support let alone base a doctrine. Christ told the thief on the cross that he would be with Christ in Paradise that day. Dives, the rich man, "looked up to see Lazarus in Abraham's bosom" which was a reference to the righteous dead in the OT. (the OT does not give definitive understanding of the dead in the hereafter). Paul wrote that he was "snatched up to Paradise," clearly inferencing what readers understood as the 3rd heaven. In 1 Pet 1 Peter writes of the "more sure prophetic word" and in Ch 2 refers to Noah as a "preacher of righteousness." Peter's point in ch 3 is better contextually interpreted that Christ used Noah to preach "the word" to his contemporaries while building the ark. There are a lot of problems when you presume that Christ "descended into HADES.' (Hell is the Lake of Fire). And in typical Latin fashion, the RCC took the opportunity to establish their who system of salvation on purgatory, a totally unbiblical doctrine. "It is appointed unto man once to die and then comes [certain] judgment." There is NO second chance given in the hereafter. Christ makes that perfectly clear in His definitive revelational teaching on the dead. The apostle's creed should NOT include the inclusio "descended into Hades." Sheol is translated/understood as the "grave" in nearly half of its OT usage. "Died and buried" does not need a confusing superstructure. There is NO good NT exegetical support for it.
Hi Pastor, the Gospel of Nicodemus will help the over-all picture. But, it's ancient writing may have been altered some in the past. Chapter's X111-XX1, just watched it on the tube, very interesting; God Bless
Yes, I watched/listened to the Nicodemus UA-cam and it's very detailed...have you watched the Jasher videos? Wow, very detailed and Jasher is mentioned 2x in the Old Testament.
@@mattpack7660 Hi Matt; No I haven't watched any of Jasher videos but I had read some of the story, got it saved. Thanks for the tip, I might get back in-to-it tomorrow...God Bless
@@mattpack7660 The earliest Book of Jasher is from the take middle ages. It's totally fabricated. Nicodemus is from the 4th century, which is 300 years too late.
Part 2 (see part 1 below) To the penitent thief crucified at his side, Christ said, “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). This place here translated as “paradise” is not heaven, however, as was made clear on the third day after the Lord’s death. (See Alma 40:11-13 for further clarification.) Early in the morning following the angelic announcement to the women that Jesus had been resurrected, the Lord appeared to Mary. Apparently she desired to touch him, but the Master instructed her, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God” (John 20:17). If the Savior had not ascended to heaven yet, where had he been during the three days his body lay in the tomb? It is in the writings of Peter, the chief Apostle, that we receive the answer. Christ went to be with other disembodied spirits and there minister to them. What did the Lord do there? Said Peter: “He went and preached unto the spirits in prison” (1 Pet. 3:19). Who were these people? According to Peter, they were those who “sometime were disobedient” (1 Pet. 3:20). “For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh” (1 Pet. 4:6). This essential ministry of the Lord to those who have died was prophesied by Isaiah, who, writing in behalf of the Messiah, wrote: “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound” (Isa. 61:1). What would be good tidings to those in prison? Surely it would be a message of how they could be set free to progress and enjoy the blessings of the gospel. This was the message confirmed by the Lord in the spirit world during the three days he himself was a disembodied spirit. The message continues to be taught in the spirit world today by teachers the Lord has appointed to that ministry (see D&C 138:18-22, 30-34, 57-59 **). Thus, those who die without a knowledge of Christ have the opportunity to hear the glad message of redemption, exercise faith, and repent of their sins. But what of baptism? As Nicodemus learned, a person must be baptized-born of water-before he can enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus himself was baptized “to fulfil all righteousness” (Matt. 3:15), and he instructed his Apostles to baptize those who accepted the gospel message, telling them, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved” (Mark 16:16). How, then, can those who died without the chance to be baptized receive this ordinance? The answer is, they can receive it vicariously. Just as Jesus performed a labor for us that we could not perform for ourselves, so can we perform the ordinance of baptism for those who have died, allowing them the opportunity to become heirs of salvation. Paul the Apostle alluded to this ordinance when he needed to reprove backsliding Corinthians regarding the reality of the resurrection. Those who received his epistle were well acquainted with this ordinance, known as baptism for the dead. Paul wrote: “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?” (1 Cor. 15:29.) Today, the resurrection is accepted as perhaps the most glorious concept of Christianity, but where in Christianity do we find the ordinance of baptism for the dead, which Paul used to argue for the reality of the resurrection? This was one of many teachings and ordinances that were lost or changed as early Christians endured tragic persecution and saw the doctrines of Christ changed by those wishing to make them more palatable to a world steeped in Greek philosophy. From both the Bible and scholastic studies of the last half century, it is clear that baptism for the dead was practiced by the early Christians.2 Is it any wonder, then, that when it came time for the Lord Jesus Christ to restore to earth in the latter days his gospel in its purity and power, he would restore the truths concerning salvation for the dead?3 With such truths restored, the Lord also restored the power and authority of his priesthood. Why? So that the ordinances performed, both for the living and the dead, would be valid and binding before God. Prior to his departure from mortality, the Lord gave priesthood power to Peter, the chief Apostle, so that he and others to whom he delegated that power could perform baptisms and the other ordinances vital to man’s salvation. To Peter the Lord promised, “I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 16:19). These same priesthood keys were restored in the last days of this dispensation. T he Lord clarified the conditions that exist after we leave mortality: “And verily I say unto you, that the conditions … are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed … (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days … ), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead. “Behold, mine house is a house of order” (D&C 132:7-8**). Thus, with his priesthood power to seal ordinances on earth and have them binding in heaven, the Lord has extended gospel blessings to the deceased of all mankind. The same ordinances performed for the living can be offered in proxy by someone standing in for the deceased! Not only baptism, but also the covenants and blessings of the endowment and of eternal marriage are made available to all those who could not receive them in this life. Each day, thousands of Latter-day Saints enter temples of the Lord and perform these ordinances in behalf of their fathers and mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers-as far back as known records can disclose names and identities of real individuals. These persons-dead to us, but very much alive in the spirit world-are, as the Master said, awaiting the “good tidings” that their work has been performed so that they may receive liberty from the “prison” wherein they “are bound.” When these ordinances are performed on their behalf, they are able to keep to a greater degree the commandments of the Lord and continue their growth and progression. Clearly, however, no earthly activity interferes in any way with the right of choice exercised by persons in the spirit world. They are free to accept or reject the ministrations in their behalf. If they choose to accept the ordinances performed for them, exercise faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and repent, they are released from their spiritual bondage. If they choose not to accept those conditions, they remain in their spiritual bondage. Their right to choose remains inviolate. Agency is an eternal inheritance we each have from God our Father, and it is fundamental to our personal development. The Lord’s work goes on in the spirit world as it goes on here in mortality, in that all mankind are graciously invited, not forced, to receive the fulness of the gospel and to use it to ennoble their lives.
Jesus gave up his ghost, spirit on the cross, his physical body was still on the cross, his body laid in the grave for 3 days, his soul/spirit went to hades to . Corinthians 15: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the . Jesus’s physical body rose, was united with his spirit. Acts 13:37 …36For when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep. His body was buried with his fathers and saw decay. 37But the One whom God raised from the dead did not see decay. Jesus body being buried in the tomb being compared to King David, who’s body saw corruption, but Jesus’s did not, God preserved Jesus’s body from decomposition. The Bible is clear in explaining Jesus’s body, Just like our physical body will be instantaneously changed into a new glorified body, Jesus body was in The grave for 3 days, did not decompose and was glorified, Mary saw the tomb opened on the end of the 3 day, not day 1,2 3 and Jesus was walking around
paradise was abrahams bosom then he acended to heaven with wveryone from paradise thats the reason why he had to go to paradise to remove all the saints and everyone from paradise and take them to heaven!!! pre resurrection they could not enter heaven only paradise (Abrahams abosom) Hell was in the same area but separated from the saints and the judged!!!
Bart, notes bezelbub is shocked jesus has the key to enter and leave crys of the damed to open the gates as jesus, mick i el , raph i el, banging the gates at 3pm LOUD devil ,but says lazurus was 4 days dead but taken from him by jesus, beselbub sacked new ruler of hell appointed, in a blink of an eye, during thunder flash on crucifixion. Blessed be Jesus's though with in, unity holy spirit 4 ever
Good day to you. 🤔🤔🤔 I have a two part question. MATTHEW 12:40 1). When Jesus said, As Jonas was 3 nights in the belly of the Beast, So shall the Son of Man be in the Heart of the Earth. If Jesus prophesied that, and Jonah didn't die, why do you believe that Jesus died? 2). And, why do you believe he rose in the spirit? It's a reason why I'm asking. Thank you for listening.
Hi, PLEASE COMMENT... I perceive / conceive that with 1) Jesus death on the cross - The Christ Spirit (connection to god) was severed. 2) his body was buried in the tomb, 3) his soul went to hell and suffered. 4) made alive by the re-union of his soul and Spirit in hell, he conquered death, hell, and the grave. - He conquered Satan and his kingdom, which now must All Bow Down, and are subject to the Power of his name !!!.
Jesus didn't suffer in Hell and he never had any "connection" to God severed because he was always God even when he was suffering on the cross and said he was foresaken -- which was actually God placing his own judgment on himself. He only suffered when he was on the cross. When he was in Hell, the only suffering that was happening was to Evil.
Not really omni-presence doesn't mean he is present everywhere at once which means he can be or he can be in many places at once for example Jesus' blood in the Eucharist. The idea that God is everything is a very pantheistic idea. The holy spirit can be in every Christian at once but that doesn't mean God is necessarily everywhere.
13 Who then is that Jesus of Nazareth that by his word hath taken away the dead from me without prayer to God? 14 Perhaps it is the same who p. 83 took away from me Lazarus, after he had been four days dead, and did both stink and was rotten, and of whom I had possession as a dead person, yet he brought him to life again by his power. 15 Satan answering, replied to the prince of hell, It is the very same person, Jesus of Nazareth. 16 Which when the prince of hell heard, he said to him, I adjure thee by the powers which belong to thee and me, that thou bring him not
I'm with you there, I listened to that and it's so amazing and it really makes sense, I wonder why the Fathers that decided what goes in the Bible didn't include that amazing account!
There was no Jesus until 1650 AD when the J was added to Esus, but Yeshua was not dead very long. He was made alive and went down into Abraham's bosom, which was the place of paradise. remember the Lazarus was receiving good things there. That's why He told the thief on the post (stauros) "today you'll be with me in Paradise" , Abraham's Bosom.
Wow , finally someone else knows about the letter J and there was two more names that was translated which was iesous and iesus then came the name jesus ,bless you my friend
One of the problems of recapping in a creed what God has Inspired in His Divine Word. Everything was going along just fine until some well-intentioned creed-writer has to bring this up!
So let me get this straight, scripture doesn’t give us enough to understand how Jesus went to hell yet we believe Jesus went to hell when the Scriptures do not say that at all. Don’t you think that it could be read by the time the “apostles creed“ was written that the church was already deceived and not the faith of the apostles?
1 Peter 3:19 and the reason why Jesus preach to the spirits in prison is so that he(Jesus) can bring them closer to God as can be seen in the previous text verse of 18 (1 Peter 3:18).I am just connecting the dots and gladly waiting on any comments
Bryan Wolfmueller, When 1 Pet 3: 19 says Jesus went to preach to the spirits in prison, That place was Hell as in "Tartarus". See 2 Pet 2: 4. Jude 6. Jesus went there to proclaim His victory over Spiritual death and Hell, as in "Hades" to the fallen angels. Jesus Didn't finish salvation on the cross, What was finished, was all the prophecies about Jesus , as well as Him on the cross. See Jn 19: 28--30. Lk 24: 25--27. The Biblical Greek tense for, "It is finished", in Jn 19: 30, Is "Past tense" whereas the death of Jesus was future tense because Jesus wasn't dead when He said it is finished. At best, His death was present tense, But certainly not past tense. Jesus did go to Hell, "Hades", see Acts 2: 27--31, with Lk 16: 23--25, They are the same place with the same pains, see Acts 2: 24. God didn't loose Jesus from the pains of physical death, HE DIED, In agony. But God did loose Jesus from the pains of Spiritual death and Hell, Hades". Jesus was made alive [Born again] in the pains of Hell, Hades. Then He went into Hell as in Tartarus. I thought you said you were going to give us the Bible??. you gave us was, your own wrong opinions.
@@travist7777 It would help people if you told us who you are talking to, But I guess you didn't think about that. I know you weren't speaking to me, [1]Because I gave the Biblical truths. [1]I did finish editing.
Thank you for clarifying this for me. Please keep my mom in your prayers. Her cancer is back, and starts chemotherapy again on Tuesday. Please pray for my mental health, unemployment, and hopelessness. Thankfully, we have the Lord Jesus Christ.
In Christ, we always have hope! Even when this life is full of pain. I hope and pray you feel the peace and presence of God.
May God bless you and your family
Blessed by your teachings. Sometimes I so wish Peter had either said more, or said less. Sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. One of the things we can look forward to at Christ's return is to more perfectly understand some of these things. Also I sometimes wonder when Christ was speaking to the thief on the cross if he meant . . . 1) I am telling you something today, and what I am telling you is that you will be with me in paradise, or 2) I am telling you, you will be with me in paradise today. That is are we sure whether 'today' goes with when the promise is being made, or when the promise will be fulfilled.
Once again you bring light to a question I have been asking for a long time. Thank you very much.
My mom always told me and my brothers that Jesus descended into Hell to tell the devil, "I win, you lose!" Kind of a modernized and Sunday School version of what Luther wrote. Thank you for your studies! I enjoy them very much.
To tell Satan what! And Satan has never been in hell ,Satan is the prince of the power of the air a sherubim
Thank you Pastor, SCRIPTURE ALONE once again! God's peace
and the creed
@@maxonmendel5757 the Creed is taken from Scripture alone
So glad you made this even though I’m six years late to watching it. A year ago, I read Wayne Grudem’s systematic theology, and in it I think that’s where he argues against the fact that Jesus defended into hell (using passages like “it is finished” and “today you will be with me in paradise”). And at the end he concludes that we should just take that line out of the creed entirely because it isn’t biblically accurate. I was fully convinced. Then about nine months ago when I started down the Lutheran path, I realized the mistake and that YOU CAN’T JUST CHANGE THE CREED. So I kind of believed it by faith but without any reasons until this video. Thank you so much.
Hey, Pastor. I just came across this video and I got to the point of the video where you wanted us to find a resource of a specific sermon Martin Luther preached on. I know it's been 4 years since you posted this very video, but I got a link to a PDF file that others can download or view and I will post this in the comments section. I've listened to your videos before and I have learned quite a bit from you and am always willing to learn about the Word in any way I can. Praise be to God for you ministry work and I pray you do well in your work for God and His church. God's blessings to you
This is so fascinating!
Thank you Pastor Wolfmueller. I too am enjoying these videos and benefitting from them.
I'm glad someone asked, because it was almost the same question I had. This covered it well. Thanks, Pastor!
Hell was torn apart wen jesus descended into hell
And he will come back fr us again in spirit as fr th body will go back to the soil and the spirit back to the father
‘...and keep us from going any further’. Such an important point. Please disregard the single ‘x’ in my previous comment. My finger must have slipped. Thank you. ✅✅✅
what was only revealed belong to us but secret things belongs to God...there are things that are not clear and some super pastors or theologians try to explain them resulting only in error...I agree "..and keep us from going any further"...
God be praised!!
A wonderfully clear teaching. Thank you.
I always enjoy your videos. They are very informative. Keep up the great work.
Jesus is omniscient, where ever 3 or more gather in His name he is there, my theory would be why not both? Plus we know time is different for God so there is another conundrum. Probably far more complex than a Back to the Future movie lol
A mysterious text ably explained. Thank you for all you do.
Oddly enough, it was an interesting conversation yesterday about paradoxes in the bible and how we simply let scripture speak for itself.
I know the Gospel of Nicodemus (aka, Acts of Pilate) is not considered Canonical, but might I suggest reading it? Particularly chapters 12-21. Though; the entire script is worth the read! You won't be dissapointed.
Enjoy!
It's from the 4th century.
"Pastor, I've joined the cult... Of pure doctrine! Hey-oooo!"
Jesus went in to the heart of the earth.
Wow! I love that! Thank you
Thank you! Scripture alone! God's peace be with you.
Most lutherans say the Apostle's Creed in both their morning and evening prayers? I don't typically recite anything during personal prayer time. Should I be??
The cult of pure doctrine is a wonderful place to be. God's peace to you and your family Pastor!
Whoo Hoo! Automatic membership in the Cult of Pure Doctrine! Thanks Pastor!
You may find some of the writings of Dr. Michael Heiser interesting on this topic. His view would comport with yours re: preaching to the enemies of the LORD that they have lost and He has won.
I actually took a break from Table Talk Radio to watch this! I like these videos (but I still miss the sheep a little bit). Great theology on a difficult question.
Great merit here. Thank you.
I don't know about online, but I have found it in Volume 2 of Henry E. Jacobs Book of Concord copyright 1908 pages 279-283. I picked up these volumes while I was at CTSFW as a reprint.
When Jesus died he went to paradise, where the righteous souls were, their was a gulf between paradise and hell he cross over , totally defeated, Satan and all his demons, took the keys of death,hell, and the grave, went over back to paradise and took the righteous to heaven with him, some saints came out of graves when the earthquake happened at his crucifixion and walked the holy city and was seen by many people. (Matthew 27:50-53)🤗😇
Thank you! I appreciate your teaching. Could you explain the belief of purgatory? My 18 year old son had questions about it, how the belief came about and what is the basis in Scripture for it? I do not believe it but I know many do and that it has a long history. I would be most grateful.
If you go on Lutheran Hour Ministry they have a great video series on the reformation and the videos in Part 2 do a great job of explaining where all the Catholic sacred traditions came from.
Thank you Timothy
God bless you Pastor
Good Sir, If You read this could you explain to me your take on what "Cornerstone Fellowship" meant when he explains Jesus' descent into hell. If you believe that doctrine or not. Thank you in advance.
I like Lenski's explanation of this. Because there is no time in heaven or hell, when Jesus was made alive in spirit (Jesus body, as Jesus is the Christ, God and man), Jesus descended into hell to proclaim victory over sin, death and the devil. Jesus is God after all and all things are possible.
It doesn't make sense to me why Jeau would go to hell in spirit only, because if you believe he was the Messiah, the Christ, why would He go to hell as a spirit? And if he goes to hell to make proclamation to the spirits in prison, what is there to proclaim without his body?
True the Bible doesn't say much, but does it need to? Jesus said he was the bread of life in John 6, 3 times, and people don't believe that either, he lost disciples over it.
This is most certainly true!
Jesus physical body remained in the tomb for 3 days his spirit went to hades, Jesus spirit left his physical body on the cross. His soul/spirit united with his physical body on the 3rd day
That isn't how 1 Peter 3:19-20 explains it. And why would Jesus only go to hell in spirit. It wouldn't prove anything. If he goes in spirit and body, he would show the "spirits in prison" (not demons as he cast many out of people in his ministry before his death - they knew who he was). Then he came back to the garden and met Mary of Magdalene and the disciples.
Abraham's bosom is a Jewish name for Heaven. So all believers go to heaven.
Awesome 👌
The Bible actually does say he freed the captive. Ephesians 4:8. Please be careful with the words you preach to the children of the lord. God says do not let any man deceive you.
We are all slaves of sin. Those are the captives of Ephesians. Some people have chosen to misread "chain of gloomy darkness" as referring to people released from Abraham's bosom to paradise, but that's not a coherent reading. They just don't like the alternative, that it refers to the angels who did not keep their place...which is literally what it says.
Yes, Jesus came to deliver the good news of salvation to the people who awaited him in Abraham's bosom, but no, they weren't chained captives.
They saying christ go to hell to speak to Satan when Satan has never been in hell, Satan is the prince of the power of the air a sherubim
Jesus did descend into hell bc I saw it for myself through vision that He gave me and I saw all how it went down 🙏
How was it
Honestly I'm so curious what really hell like if Im going to be given 3 wishes I would like to see Hell how's the soul there,I would want to see my good grandma if she's in heaven Also I want to see purgatory how do they ended up in the middle no of heaven and hell
Nice honest answer. If you don't know, just say so!!!
He went in spirit not body
He proclaimed the Gospel
He told the believer in darkness of the r
Salvation He brought
The Devil was confined to Hell
Thank you Pastor. This was well done. Just one note of correction. We do not say "scripture does not say enough". It certainly tells us enough and all that we need. We might want to know more but what is revealed to us is enough. I think it was just a slip and I sometimes slip as well. Otherwise, well done. Thank you!
Right! Thank you!
I know this is 5 years later. But, how do those in hell know to bow a knee to Jesus as it says in Phillipians 2:9-11? Especially if those before Jesus' life and death? After Jesus ministered to the spirits in prison, now everyone in heaven, earth ans under the earth know who Jesus is..
@@fuzzyaomeba2844 Because Jesus descended to Hell and revealed Himself as the promised Messiah whom they rejected. As it says in 1 Peter 3: 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), 1 Pe 3:18-20.
Don't fall for it. Purgatory is a doctrine of demons. Maranatha!
To find out what happened when jesus descended to hades its in the book of nicodemous jesus decent to hell
Amen 🙏
Paradise is not heaven. Paradise is we’re good souls were kept in till they could send to heaven after Jesus paid the penalty for all the sin.
Neither the Nicene or the Constantinople creeds included the inclusio. It wasn't until a 100yrs later do we find the Apostle's creed is referenced in a letter. The Aquilian Creed of mid to late 400AD, added the inclusio as a Greek mysticism. The Athanasian Creed of 600AD added the inclusio for an entirely different reason.... to buttress the "dead and buried" to combat those arguing that the Jesus didn't really die physically. NO ONE worth their exegetical salt uses 1 Pet 3 to support let alone base a doctrine. Christ told the thief on the cross that he would be with Christ in Paradise that day. Dives, the rich man, "looked up to see Lazarus in Abraham's bosom" which was a reference to the righteous dead in the OT. (the OT does not give definitive understanding of the dead in the hereafter). Paul wrote that he was "snatched up to Paradise," clearly inferencing what readers understood as the 3rd heaven. In 1 Pet 1 Peter writes of the "more sure prophetic word" and in Ch 2 refers to Noah as a "preacher of righteousness." Peter's point in ch 3 is better contextually interpreted that Christ used Noah to preach "the word" to his contemporaries while building the ark.
There are a lot of problems when you presume that Christ "descended into HADES.' (Hell is the Lake of Fire). And in typical Latin fashion, the RCC took the opportunity to establish their who system of salvation on purgatory, a totally unbiblical doctrine. "It is appointed unto man once to die and then comes [certain] judgment." There is NO second chance given in the hereafter. Christ makes that perfectly clear in His definitive revelational teaching on the dead.
The apostle's creed should NOT include the inclusio "descended into Hades." Sheol is translated/understood as the "grave" in nearly half of its OT usage. "Died and buried" does not need a confusing superstructure. There is NO good NT exegetical support for it.
EPH 4 7-10 THE CAPTIVES FREE relevant?
God's omnipresent nature allows Jesus to be in two places at once.
Hi Pastor, the Gospel of Nicodemus will help the over-all picture. But, it's ancient writing may have been altered some in the past. Chapter's X111-XX1, just watched it on the tube, very interesting; God Bless
Yes, I watched/listened to the Nicodemus UA-cam and it's very detailed...have you watched the Jasher videos? Wow, very detailed and Jasher is mentioned 2x in the Old Testament.
@@mattpack7660 Hi Matt;
No I haven't watched any of Jasher videos but I had read some of the story, got it saved.
Thanks for the tip, I might get back in-to-it tomorrow...God Bless
@@mattpack7660 The earliest Book of Jasher is from the take middle ages. It's totally fabricated. Nicodemus is from the 4th century, which is 300 years too late.
Part 2 (see part 1 below)
To the penitent thief crucified at his side, Christ said, “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). This place here translated as “paradise” is not heaven, however, as was made clear on the third day after the Lord’s death. (See Alma 40:11-13 for further clarification.)
Early in the morning following the angelic announcement to the women that Jesus had been resurrected, the Lord appeared to Mary. Apparently she desired to touch him, but the Master instructed her, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God” (John 20:17).
If the Savior had not ascended to heaven yet, where had he been during the three days his body lay in the tomb? It is in the writings of Peter, the chief Apostle, that we receive the answer. Christ went to be with other disembodied spirits and there minister to them. What did the Lord do there? Said Peter: “He went and preached unto the spirits in prison” (1 Pet. 3:19).
Who were these people? According to Peter, they were those who “sometime were disobedient” (1 Pet. 3:20). “For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh” (1 Pet. 4:6).
This essential ministry of the Lord to those who have died was prophesied by Isaiah, who, writing in behalf of the Messiah, wrote: “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound” (Isa. 61:1).
What would be good tidings to those in prison? Surely it would be a message of how they could be set free to progress and enjoy the blessings of the gospel. This was the message confirmed by the Lord in the spirit world during the three days he himself was a disembodied spirit. The message continues to be taught in the spirit world today by teachers the Lord has appointed to that ministry (see D&C 138:18-22, 30-34, 57-59 **).
Thus, those who die without a knowledge of Christ have the opportunity to hear the glad message of redemption, exercise faith, and repent of their sins. But what of baptism? As Nicodemus learned, a person must be baptized-born of water-before he can enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus himself was baptized “to fulfil all righteousness” (Matt. 3:15), and he instructed his Apostles to baptize those who accepted the gospel message, telling them, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved” (Mark 16:16).
How, then, can those who died without the chance to be baptized receive this ordinance? The answer is, they can receive it vicariously. Just as Jesus performed a labor for us that we could not perform for ourselves, so can we perform the ordinance of baptism for those who have died, allowing them the opportunity to become heirs of salvation.
Paul the Apostle alluded to this ordinance when he needed to reprove backsliding Corinthians regarding the reality of the resurrection. Those who received his epistle were well acquainted with this ordinance, known as baptism for the dead. Paul wrote: “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?” (1 Cor. 15:29.)
Today, the resurrection is accepted as perhaps the most glorious concept of Christianity, but where in Christianity do we find the ordinance of baptism for the dead, which Paul used to argue for the reality of the resurrection? This was one of many teachings and ordinances that were lost or changed as early Christians endured tragic persecution and saw the doctrines of Christ changed by those wishing to make them more palatable to a world steeped in Greek philosophy.
From both the Bible and scholastic studies of the last half century, it is clear that baptism for the dead was practiced by the early Christians.2 Is it any wonder, then, that when it came time for the Lord Jesus Christ to restore to earth in the latter days his gospel in its purity and power, he would restore the truths concerning salvation for the dead?3 With such truths restored, the Lord also restored the power and authority of his priesthood. Why? So that the ordinances performed, both for the living and the dead, would be valid and binding before God.
Prior to his departure from mortality, the Lord gave priesthood power to Peter, the chief Apostle, so that he and others to whom he delegated that power could perform baptisms and the other ordinances vital to man’s salvation. To Peter the Lord promised, “I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 16:19).
These same priesthood keys were restored in the last days of this dispensation. T he Lord clarified the conditions that exist after we leave mortality: “And verily I say unto you, that the conditions … are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed … (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days … ), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
“Behold, mine house is a house of order” (D&C 132:7-8**).
Thus, with his priesthood power to seal ordinances on earth and have them binding in heaven, the Lord has extended gospel blessings to the deceased of all mankind. The same ordinances performed for the living can be offered in proxy by someone standing in for the deceased! Not only baptism, but also the covenants and blessings of the endowment and of eternal marriage are made available to all those who could not receive them in this life.
Each day, thousands of Latter-day Saints enter temples of the Lord and perform these ordinances in behalf of their fathers and mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers-as far back as known records can disclose names and identities of real individuals. These persons-dead to us, but very much alive in the spirit world-are, as the Master said, awaiting the “good tidings” that their work has been performed so that they may receive liberty from the “prison” wherein they “are bound.” When these ordinances are performed on their behalf, they are able to keep to a greater degree the commandments of the Lord and continue their growth and progression.
Clearly, however, no earthly activity interferes in any way with the right of choice exercised by persons in the spirit world. They are free to accept or reject the ministrations in their behalf. If they choose to accept the ordinances performed for them, exercise faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and repent, they are released from their spiritual bondage. If they choose not to accept those conditions, they remain in their spiritual bondage. Their right to choose remains inviolate. Agency is an eternal inheritance we each have from God our Father, and it is fundamental to our personal development. The Lord’s work goes on in the spirit world as it goes on here in mortality, in that all mankind are graciously invited, not forced, to receive the fulness of the gospel and to use it to ennoble their lives.
Very Shallow Teaching on Scripture, but for this denomination it helps them believe THEY ARE GOD'S CHOSEN ONES!!!
Jesus gave up his ghost, spirit on the cross, his physical body was still on the cross, his body laid in the grave for 3 days, his soul/spirit went to hades to .
Corinthians 15: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the .
Jesus’s physical body rose, was united with his spirit.
Acts 13:37 …36For when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep. His body was buried with his fathers and saw decay. 37But the One whom God raised from the dead did not see decay.
Jesus body being buried in the tomb being compared to King David, who’s body saw corruption, but Jesus’s did not, God preserved Jesus’s body from decomposition.
The Bible is clear in explaining Jesus’s body, Just like our physical body will be instantaneously changed into a new glorified body, Jesus body was in The grave for 3 days, did not decompose and was glorified, Mary saw the tomb opened on the end of the 3 day, not day 1,2 3 and Jesus was walking around
Again, disagree on Jesus soul or spirit going to hades. It only says spirits in prison and 1 Peter disagrees with your assessment.
paradise was abrahams bosom then he acended to heaven with wveryone from paradise thats the reason why he had to go to paradise to remove all the saints and everyone from paradise and take them to heaven!!! pre resurrection they could not enter heaven only paradise (Abrahams abosom) Hell was in the same area but separated from the saints and the judged!!!
But where you get that from? the bible?
Bart, notes bezelbub is shocked jesus has the key to enter and leave crys of the damed to open the gates as jesus, mick i el , raph i el, banging the gates at 3pm LOUD devil ,but says lazurus was 4 days dead but taken from him by jesus, beselbub sacked new ruler of hell appointed, in a blink of an eye, during thunder flash on crucifixion. Blessed be Jesus's though with in, unity holy spirit 4 ever
Zec 9:11
Psalm 16:10
Acts 2 David has not assended into heaven.
guten stuffen
He had to go to hell so I did not have to ...
Lost in misunderstanding,,,, in the maze scriptures, without the foundation, Yr house of knowledge is full of errors,
Good day to you. 🤔🤔🤔 I have a two part question. MATTHEW 12:40
1). When Jesus said, As Jonas was 3 nights in the belly of the Beast, So shall the Son of Man be in the Heart of the Earth. If Jesus prophesied that, and Jonah didn't die, why do you believe that Jesus died?
2). And, why do you believe he rose in the spirit?
It's a reason why I'm asking. Thank you for listening.
1 Corinthians 15:50
Because Jesus explicitly says over and over that He's going to die at the hands of the chief priests and Romans.
Jonas was dead when he was in the belly of the whale. It literally says he was in Sheol.
Mandela Effect, beast to (now) whale (KJV)
Every Saturday night.
Hi, PLEASE COMMENT...
I perceive / conceive that with
1) Jesus death on the cross -
The Christ Spirit (connection to god) was severed.
2) his body was buried in the tomb,
3) his soul went to hell and suffered.
4) made alive by the re-union of his soul and Spirit in hell, he conquered death, hell, and the grave.
- He conquered Satan and his kingdom, which now must All Bow Down, and are subject to the Power of his name !!!.
Jesus didn't suffer in Hell and he never had any "connection" to God severed because he was always God even when he was suffering on the cross and said he was foresaken -- which was actually God placing his own judgment on himself. He only suffered when he was on the cross. When he was in Hell, the only suffering that was happening was to Evil.
Jesus did not suffer in hell. That is very close to heresy to even suggest that. He conquered death and hell.
I've heard some of the Word of Faith heretics claim this. Please, for the sake of your soul, stay away from them!!!!
God is omnipresent , He is in all is He Not and is everywhere , He Lives in His Creation you know .....
Not really omni-presence doesn't mean he is present everywhere at once which means he can be or he can be in many places at once for example Jesus' blood in the Eucharist. The idea that God is everything is a very pantheistic idea. The holy spirit can be in every Christian at once but that doesn't mean God is necessarily everywhere.
13 Who then is that Jesus of Nazareth that by his word hath taken
away the dead from me without prayer to God?
14 Perhaps it is the same who
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took away from me Lazarus, after he had been four days dead, and
did both stink and was rotten, and of whom I had possession as a
dead person, yet he brought him to life again by his power.
15 Satan answering, replied to the prince of hell, It is the very same
person, Jesus of Nazareth.
16 Which when the prince of hell heard, he said to him, I adjure thee
by the powers which belong to thee and me, that thou bring him not
Book of Nicodemus says what really happened
I'm with you there, I listened to that and it's so amazing and it really makes sense, I wonder why the Fathers that decided what goes in the Bible didn't include that amazing account!
@@mattpack7660 I think there's a conspiracy against the Truth
@@mattpack7660 Because it's from the middle of the 4th century. Meaning it's fanfic.
There was no Jesus until 1650 AD when the J was added to Esus, but Yeshua was not dead very long. He was made alive and went down into Abraham's bosom, which was the place of paradise. remember the Lazarus was receiving good things there. That's why He told the thief on the post (stauros) "today you'll be with me in Paradise" , Abraham's Bosom.
Huh?
Wow , finally someone else knows about the letter J and there was two more names that was translated which was iesous and iesus then came the name jesus ,bless you my friend
@@theluvbug2154 now the Southerners here in the US have changed it again to chesus.
If you'll listen you'll hear them say Chesus.
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LMLBO
One of the problems of recapping in a creed what God has Inspired in His Divine Word. Everything was going along just fine until some well-intentioned creed-writer has to bring this up!
Read the book of Enoch, what a money cash has religion become
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the gospel of Nicodemus wold help you
So let me get this straight, scripture doesn’t give us enough to understand how Jesus went to hell yet we believe Jesus went to hell when the Scriptures do not say that at all. Don’t you think that it could be read by the time the “apostles creed“ was written that the church was already deceived and not the faith of the apostles?
1 Peter 3:19 and the reason why Jesus preach to the spirits in prison is so that he(Jesus) can bring them closer to God as can be seen in the previous text verse of 18 (1 Peter 3:18).I am just connecting the dots and gladly waiting on any comments
The Scriptures say that Jesus descended into the depths of the world and lead free the captives therein.
Bryan Wolfmueller, When 1 Pet 3: 19 says Jesus went to preach to the spirits in prison, That place was Hell as in "Tartarus".
See 2 Pet 2: 4. Jude 6.
Jesus went there to proclaim His victory over Spiritual death and Hell, as in "Hades" to the fallen angels.
Jesus Didn't finish salvation on the cross, What was finished, was all the prophecies about Jesus , as well as Him on the cross.
See Jn 19: 28--30. Lk 24: 25--27.
The Biblical Greek tense for, "It is finished", in Jn 19: 30, Is "Past tense" whereas the death of Jesus was future tense because Jesus wasn't dead when He said it is finished. At best, His death was present tense, But certainly not past tense.
Jesus did go to Hell, "Hades", see Acts 2: 27--31, with Lk 16: 23--25, They are the same place with the same pains, see Acts 2: 24.
God didn't loose Jesus from the pains of physical death, HE DIED, In agony.
But God did loose Jesus from the pains of Spiritual death and Hell, Hades". Jesus was made alive [Born again] in the pains of Hell, Hades.
Then He went into Hell as in Tartarus.
I thought you said you were going to give us the Bible??. you gave us was, your own wrong opinions.
"you gave us was, your own wrong opinions." You have not finished editing, Doctor...
@@travist7777 It would help people if you told us who you are talking to, But I guess you didn't think about that.
I know you weren't speaking to me,
[1]Because I gave the Biblical truths.
[1]I did finish editing.
Read the book of Nicodemus
No, don't.
You need to understand Hebrew culture to get this right. You are mired in greco-romanism. Hell is a greek concept.