Atheists know the Bible
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“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov
These theist numpties would be better off worshipping Asimov - a true genius, in both fact and fiction.
@@stevelaw3886 -- If you think about it... god believers would even be better off worshipping "Satan" than the "god" of the bibles. The "Body Count" as told in the bibles alone makes it clear which is the EVIL one.
Problem is, believers never actually READ their books. Instead, they go to their place of worship and have the nice handpicked parts read TO them...
@@MasterSpade
"god believers would even be better off worshipping 'Satan' than the 'god' of the bibles". Nice job proving you actually don't know what you're talking about judging based on a mere body count. You don't even know what evil is! 🤣
@@MasterSpadeYes, Satan killed ten in all of the Bible, and the ten that Satan killed was WITH THE PERMISSION from god himself. Satan was instructed not to harm Job however. God on the other hand has slaughtered MILLIONS in the Bible.
@@Danny451 -- Exactly! The first time I read the bibles, ironically enough I read them to "get closer to our lord"... lol! ... and I read the parts about the "Satan" character, I was shocked. I expected a being that was ALOT more Evil. But... the only one that seemed so TRULY EVIL = that "god"!!!
So I asked myself some things that all believers should ask =
1. What did Satan do that was so Terrible!??
If anything, he is the one that told the Truth!
2. How did you determine that ‘god’ is the good one and satan is the evil one? What basis do you use to determine that your god is the “good/moral” one?
If more of them read the instruction manual, they'd give up on the whole thing.
Yep they would realize the only people benefitting are the preacher's and elders. And they get away with alot of corruption. Criminal activity rape murder pedophiles.
No, they wouldn't. They would freak out and say, "Oh God, forgive me for doubting. ".. The defense mechanism that is built-in in most religions is VERY hard for most believers to overcome. Religion is a REAL problem, and we must do everything we can to drain the mind poison.
@@IAteTheCannoliYes, they would. Not all of course, but some would. I did. I taught Sunday school once upon a time. Now I’m an apostate 😂
IKEA manuals are so well written. To be fair, there's no writing on the instructions, just pictures. Maybe the Bible needs to be only in pictures, that way people can see how the instructions of each gospel is totally contradictory to the other.
Most people don't know the contradictions because they haven't read it, they only browsed it, so they missed the contradictions.
If the Bible were an IKEA manual, it wouldn't help you build the furniture. 😂
@@09selah man wrote this Bible. What makes you think the next Bible won't be worse? There was a time before the tora. Why do you think those people failed.
"The point is not that I'm an atheist, so I know more about religion; that's the wrong cause and effect. I think the more accurate way to phrase it is that I know more about religion, so I'm an atheist." -- Isaac Asimov
Yeah a funny thing with theists.
They are under the impression we need science and faith in science to not believe the fairy tales.
We/I do not need science to disbelieve god.
I only need the bible to disbelieve/disprove the bible.
(This only applies to christianity, hard atheist in regards to christianity ,its the only one I know........but show your sky daddy before i will believe)
"professing themselves to be wise they became fools."
God
@@stevehaman9469 no. the majority of us don't profess to be wise. we pull a jerry magurie and say 'show me the god'.
i specifically am not saying 'god isn't real'. i am saying 'show me that god is real'. the fool believes what he is told with no evidence for it.
@@stevehaman9469 That certainly applies to every apologist I have heard.
Although I think they were fools first then professed themselves wise.
@@Whitetyger0090I’m more like: WTF, pull the other one 😮
"they didn't believe what the women said."
Classic religious people. Classic.
Jewish women were not considered witnesses according to the time period.
To be fair, if two women (or three, or only one, depending on the story) walked up to me and said "that guy they crucified 3 days ago and then for some reason buried in a tomb instead of a mass grave, I think he got up and walked out. Or at least that's what the guy who I think was an angel told me" I wouldn't believe them either.
Bruh, i wouldn't believe them either, and it wasn't because of their gender....
Classic women ☕
@@plattbagarnTo be fair their gender would make zero difference to how believable their BS claims are. If two guys came up claiming the same thing, my first thought wouldn't be 'the Lord has come', it would be more like; "these guys need to lay off the wine".
@@shakeelali20 Yep. It's utterly unhinged. Disbelief prior to investigating that claim for yourself is the correct response.
It's hilarious. The only thing you actually need to do to stop believing in the Bible is to actually read the damn thing without cherry picking and conveniently leaving everything up to interpretation 🤷♂️
Do you know the cosmic skeptic?
Church goes never read the whole thing. They show up to church and listen to the verses the preacher talks about. They never get all of it.
@@cassievining340 They don't really listen to the verses the preacher talks about either, but talk over them in their mind like a wife in denial her husband doesn't love ❌💘 her.
@@cassievining340 where did you get that?
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana who are "they"? It seems like you are just creating something similar to a strawman.
To me, the number one perk about being an atheist is that I don't concern myself with the bible. I don't feel the need to defend my atheism to christians because I don't give af about their opinions. I don't try to argue with them. I just want them to keep their beliefs away from my constitutional rights.
I feel reading the Bible ✝️ is practically important, if for nothing other than losing faith in human reading comprehension.
Devotion to the entity opposed to Jesus sustains you.?
Those devoted to the entity opposed to Jesus are showing on this clip the great difficulty they have in comprehension, that is for sure @@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana.!
@@user-im9ov9ud7mso you disagree with the bible? Sounds like you are the antichrist
@user-im9ov9ud7m17
Wrote
"Those devoted to the entity opposed to Jesus are showing on this clip the great difficulty they have in comprehension"
OMG if theists weren't so destructive they would be so cute.
You talk of atheist comprehension.
WHILE saying atheists support a fairy tale creature we don't believe in. That makes no sense.
Or is it the old theist fall back, "context".
This morning in bible study the teacher said there's only one virgin birth ever told and that's Jesus. I raised my hand and told him there's actually 45 stories about virgin birth in history so why are we supposed to believe one story but not another. Not sure if I'll be invited back.
They hate it when you logic 'em out.
And funny enough many if not most of those characters bear quite a few other striking similarities
@@MrMezmerized yes I think if more people knew that most stories in the bible were plagiarized from earlier cultures then they wouldn't be so quick to attribute perfection to the "holy word". I figured the best way to educate people is to attend bible study when invited and drop these little bits of information to the sheltered masses. More than once I've had someone come up to after service and ask more questions. I always try to be respectful but not afraid to ask them the hard questions that makes them think for themselves.
Has any of them (i doubt it is that much) been told by historical eyewitnesses?
What a liar lmao😂
Road to Atheism is lined with well read bibles. 😅
Excellent quip i will add it to my arsenal
Choosing devotion to the entity opposed to Jesus isn't much of a road, is it.?
@@user-im9ov9ud7matheists don’t believe in your boogie man either.
@user-im9ov9ud7m
You remind me growing up of the fools who were scared to say "bloody Mary" three times in front of a mirror at midnight. Or she would come and kill you thru the mirror.
"The entity opposed to jesus"
They call that novel character Satan or Lucifer.
Are you afraid to step on a crack or you'll break your mothers back?
Terrible theist rep. Your people should control you before you convert more to be atheists.
When telling a eye witnessed account you will have some differences in details, such as peter being the only one mentioned in Luke to go to the empty tomb, but John also went, in johns account, and Luke provided more details in some cases, as did John, But there are no contradictions, he is confusing reports, the disciples did not believe, but peter and john did, and they were not the two who Jesus appeared to on the road because that was before the disciples got word from the women. And in Matthew we see the quickness of atheists to look for a error and not evaluate the situation. The women were told by an angel the lord has risen (there were 2 angels considering reports), and as they went to tell the disciples, the women met Jesus and worshiped him. Matthew dose not go into detail about peter and john, or the two disciples Jesus met on the road, that being said it skips the part where the women tell the disciples and peter and john went, but gives the last account with all the disciples mentioned in all the gospels, where "some doubted", Jesus said "because you have seen you believe, blessed are those that have not seen yet believe", and ascended.
You read the bible but fail to discern.
He just chooses to not make excuses for it.
So when you read the contradictions in the Bible that have just been pointed out and ignore them, you call that discernment ?
@@aaronford3749 Where is the contradictions?
But, but, but the bible is perfect...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Perfect bull
When telling a eye witnessed account you will have some differences in details, such as peter being the only one mentioned in Luke to go to the empty tomb, but John also went, in johns account, and Luke provided more details in some cases, as did John, But there are no contradictions, he is confusing reports, the disciples did not believe, but peter and john did, and they were not the two who Jesus appeared to on the road because that was before the disciples got word from the women. And in Matthew we see the quickness of atheists to look for a error and not evaluate the situation. The women were told by an angel the lord has risen (there were 2 angels considering reports), and as they went to tell the disciples, the women met Jesus and worshiped him. Matthew dose not go into detail about peter and john, or the two disciples Jesus met on the road, that being said it skips the part where the women tell the disciples and peter and john went, but gives the last account with all the disciples mentioned in all the gospels, where "some doubted", Jesus said "because you have seen you believe, blessed are those that have not seen yet believe", and ascended.
@@specilegg you do realise the gospels arent written by eye witness accounts right?.so anything written is not accurate...they were written several decades after the supposed events by unknown writers...get an education
@@specilegg other than them not being eyewitnesses, your mental gymnastics are Olympic level
Very true. My Mother jumped from religion to religion after my Uncle died and was a Jehovah's Witness for a couple years when I was a kid. For those years we were forced to read the Bible, have weekly Bible studies and I was made to do a sermon before the entire congregation on a specific Bible passage and it's meaning. All males 13 and over are required to do so. People make fun of Jehovah's Witnesses, but they read the Bible cover to cover as I was made to do. I thank them for their adherence to actually reading the Bible like so many Christians do not. I give the Witnesses credit for educating me to the point of understanding it is all crap. Show me a Christian that is committed and serious about the Bible and I will show you someone who has not actually read it. Not only am I an Atheist, but I also get Witnesses to immediately leave after telling them I am an Apostate and they should not speak to me. Win win.
Many years ago I set out to read the Bible in its entirety because it seemed the logical way to become a better Christian. I didn't realize it would actually be my start on the path to atheism.
nothing is ever said about jesus only hanging out with men, especially his twelve disciples.
The bible refers several times to "the disciple Jesus loved". This was apparently John the fisherman and supposed author of the gospel named after him. He is mentioned as the only companion of Jesus on a few occasions, sat next to Jesus at the last supper, when he rested his head on Jesus.
Jesus was hung out with women too.
@@maceanglin Mostly prostitutes as I recall.
@@MrGrifft food for thought: considering the time period, is it more likely that only hookers took interest in his supposed teachings, or did the men folk just label them as such because they thought good women should be at home, similar to the way groupies are labeled sluts?
Jusus was hung out with women. I had a vision of Jesus and some other women hung on a clothes line, like laundry
Most athiests are former Christians so obviously they know there bibles very well
I met a lot of atheists who claim they “read the whole bible”
Matter of fact you pretty much only hear atheists make that claim. However I’ve never met one who could like accurately name books or parts of it lol y’all all make that claim cuz you think it makes you sound smart but in reality we all know you full of shit
@@oinkmagoink9129
I have read it several times.
What I did not do is memorize much of it because why would I bother memorizing something I didn't enjoy reading and I actively believe is pure fiction?
@@Diviance yeah sure ya did, thank you for providing evidence.
I am straight up calling you a liar. You’re full of shit. I don’t believe you even for a second lol and I doubt you do either
@@oinkmagoink9129
Call me a liar all you like. Like the rest of your worldview, reality doesn't conform to your beliefs.
@@Diviance okay buddy, why don’t you go pretend to read that book you hate so much some more? We all know you never read it
Do you guys ever do live q+a’s? I would love to pick your brains and discuss things with you as a believer myself……..no insults, no low blows, just a proper discussion.
Yes! Please do. Most of these Christian callers can't accurately answer their questions. Proof that most American Christians do not read their bibles. It's scary.
If theists really read their damn book they wouldn't be theists anymore, at least those with a brain.
Not an argument...
When telling a eye witnessed account you will have some differences in details, such as peter being the only one mentioned in Luke to go to the empty tomb, but John also went, in johns account, and Luke provided more details in some cases, as did John, But there are no contradictions, he is confusing reports, the disciples did not believe, but peter and john did, and they were not the two who Jesus appeared to on the road because that was before the disciples got word from the women. And in Matthew we see the quickness of atheists to look for a error and not evaluate the situation. The women were told by an angel the lord has risen (there were 2 angels considering reports), and as they went to tell the disciples, the women met Jesus and worshiped him. Matthew dose not go into detail about peter and john, or the two disciples Jesus met on the road, that being said it skips the part where the women tell the disciples and peter and john went, but gives the last account with all the disciples mentioned in all the gospels, where "some doubted", Jesus said "because you have seen you believe, blessed are those that have not seen yet believe", and ascended.
@specilegg You keep copying and pasting this everywhere. ERRORS IN THESE EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS SEND PEOPLE TO HELL. why do you miss that? (Rhetorical, i know its because it doesn't help your narrative). This is supposed to be the story that saves you or burns you. And your claiming god didn't concern himself with accuracy?
@@eequalswtf6281 it is accurate, it's just told from different people showing the eye witness of the testament. Jesus was witnessed to be the Messiah.
The funniest thing is when you tell a theist about a verse they have never heard of and they tell you that you never read the Bible.
When telling a eye witnessed account you will have some differences in details, such as peter being the only one mentioned in Luke to go to the empty tomb, but John also went, in johns account, and Luke provided more details in some cases, as did John, But there are no contradictions, he is confusing reports, the disciples did not believe, but peter and john did, and they were not the two who Jesus appeared to on the road because that was before the disciples got word from the women. And in Matthew we see the quickness of atheists to look for a error and not evaluate the situation. The women were told by an angel the lord has risen (there were 2 angels considering reports), and as they went to tell the disciples, the women met Jesus and worshiped him. Matthew dose not go into detail about peter and john, or the two disciples Jesus met on the road, that being said it skips the part where the women tell the disciples and peter and john went, but gives the last account with all the disciples mentioned in all the gospels, where "some doubted", Jesus said "because you have seen you believe, blessed are those that have not seen yet believe", and ascended.
@specilegg
"in Matthew we see the quickness of atheists to look for a error and not evaluate the situation"
Oh no, you have on the impenetrable armor of christian CONTEXT.
You are now immune from facts.
Christians that don't read the Bible find it easy to stay Christian.
Devote Christians tgat actually read the Bible have a hard time not becoming an Athiest.
Let's do Bible trivia.
Was required to read it about 30 hours a week from the time I could barely read in 3rd grade.
Believed it till my late 30s.
Now, if I'm wrong I doubt a God would judge me harshly for say it doesn't make since.
Atheist is not a choice. I fought it tooth and nail trying to stay Christian and it turns out pew warming bench sitters don't have that issue.
That is a powerful story. I went through something similar a couple of years ago. I did not know what I believed and looked to either confirm or disavow the way I had believed for decades. I grew up in the church and was like you said, very lukewarm. (Kind of like the church of Laodicea).
I found Jesus for real. The Bible will have errors, that I found. It was written by Men inspired by the Holy Spirit so mistakes may occur.
But, I used my Criminal Justice background and looked at both ways. The evidence, even with so called contradictions is better for Christianity than Atheism or any other religion when you look at the totality in my opinion.
But, I do feel for you and your story and hope that you may find Jesus for real.
@CountCulture27
Wow that's really scary.
If you can see proof in a book with none.
I fear for the people you defended or convicted.
what happens when you ask a christain activist about the bible -- looks like they make up excuses for all the contradictions it has. Almost like lying to the sheep is the most important thing to keep the money coming in.
This sounds like Luke n John took a trip to MacDonalds the way they are talking about the women servers.
When telling a eye witnessed account you will have some differences in details, such as peter being the only one mentioned in Luke to go to the empty tomb, but John also went, in johns account, and Luke provided more details in some cases, as did John, But there are no contradictions, he is confusing reports, the disciples did not believe, but peter and john did, and they were not the two who Jesus appeared to on the road because that was before the disciples got word from the women. And in Matthew we see the quickness of atheists to look for a error and not evaluate the situation. The women were told by an angel the lord has risen (there were 2 angels considering reports), and as they went to tell the disciples, the women met Jesus and worshiped him. Matthew dose not go into detail about peter and john, or the two disciples Jesus met on the road, that being said it skips the part where the women tell the disciples and peter and john went, but gives the last account with all the disciples mentioned in all the gospels, where "some doubted", Jesus said "because you have seen you believe, blessed are those that have not seen yet believe", and ascended.
One of the apostles went fishing...if I'm not mistaken I think it was Peter. There should have been hundreds of people at the tomb waiting for Jesus to walk out of the tomb but only a few people showed up and Peter didn't think it was important so he went fishing. WTF?
It was his trade, he had a wife and himself to provide for- its really not that unusual
@htebazileeilsel2293
Yeah and God forgot to tell Peter to watch the tomb so he could be an eye witness.
God couldn't feed peters family for 3 days, just so he could be a witness?
Your chronology is wrong. Read the several last chapters of John again.
Hahahhaha read the bible again.
Done it before, even read a JW one.
Nope i have ~80 years on this rock total.
I have to many interests.
Science
Space
Ebikes
Dogs
Politics
Electronics
I will "waste" my time learning more about those things.
I have wasted to much time on violent religions and fairy tales already.
And i "waste" my time with religion here. Hoping I can save 1 person from wasting their precious time on this divisive BS.
Also I Have told my wife,,, never ever ever prank me and act like we won the lottery. To make people think most of their problems are gone,,,,, is just cruel.
And thats what religion did to me......i was convinced i won the "sky lottery".
Then after finding out religion is all a lie. I found out my "sky lottery" ticket is fake. I would never have eternal life...would never see dead dogs i loved.
Its cruel to give false hope.
And i cant say for the other gawds. But the christian one is fake.
Sure the others are also.....screw a god who doesnt bother with us.
Moved home after 30 years, learned, was better; never imagined time would stand still here….
As mentioned above, at least five women set out for the tomb in the early morning, probably from Bethany. As they neared the tomb, they noticed the stone had been removed. Apparently, Mary Magdalene left the other women to alert Peter and John. Based on her comment about not knowing the location of the Lord’s body, it seems that she was not among the women who encountered the angels at the tomb.
Meanwhile, the other women entered the tomb and encountered the angels. One of the angels proclaimed that the Lord had risen, and then “the women went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word” (Matthew 28:8-9).
So how could Jesus first appear to Mary Magdalene (Mark 16:9) and then to the other women? As they headed for the tomb, why didn’t Mary, Peter, and John cross paths with the other women who were going to tell the disciples?
The key to resolving these dilemmas is to understand that Peter and John were probably not staying in the same place as the other disciples. Remember, although all the disciples “forsook Him and fled” at His arrest (Matthew 26:56), Peter and John were brave enough to enter Jerusalem to find out what would happen to Jesus (John 18:15). Of course, Peter fled in shame at the rooster’s crow (Matthew 26:75), but John was present at the Cross (John 19:26). At some point, John and Peter met up, and they were likely staying together in Jerusalem when Mary Magdalene came to the door on Sunday morning.
Where were the other disciples, then? We cannot be certain, but they may well have stayed in Bethany. After all, this is where Jesus often stayed on trips to Jerusalem, and Bethany was on the eastern slope of the Mount of Olives (Mark 11:1), the location of Christ’s arrest.
If these suppositions are correct, then all of the difficulties are resolved nicely. Mary Magdalene first left the tomb and entered nearby Jerusalem to get Peter and John. During that time, the other women encountered the angels and then left the tomb to set out on the two-mile trip to Bethany to tell the other disciples. They may have stopped along the way to tell Clopas and an unnamed disciple about the morning’s events (Luke 24:22-24), or they may have split up so that a couple of them could inform these men. In all likelihood, “the wife of Clopas” was among these women (John 19:25).
Meanwhile, Peter, John, and Mary raced to the tomb. The men entered the tomb, saw the grave clothes, and then left. Mary stayed behind, weeping outside the tomb. When she looked into the tomb, she saw two angels (John 20:12), and after explaining her grief to them, she turned around and saw the Savior (John 20:16). After Mary departed to tell Peter and John about seeing the risen Lord, Jesus appeared to the other women who were on their way to Bethany (Matthew 28:9).
@st85100
And Gandalf entrusted Frodo with the ring of power.
Refuted everything the guy said, keep serving the Lord, blessings to you in Jesus name.
It’s always a good question to ask an atheist when they start trying to bring up nonsensical objections that can be easily explained, “if I explain this to you will you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?”.
@bhaveaniceday5392
No I will NOT. And for good reason theists miss.
I dont care if the book does not contradict itself (it does alot).
I dont care if the stories blend into each other (they dont).
That would ONLY mean that the authors weren't totally shitty at writing and being consistent.
It would not address if anything in the book was true and actually happened.
Congrats, you proved nothing, i still dont see any god in front of me.
Just someone who can try and take a crap book and try to make it sound consistent. Well I dont care if you can scientifically explain how a human can become part spider ,part man.....SHOW ME SPIDERMAN.
Good attempt, but you forgot to account for Peter's solo run in Luke and the versions where they never arrive at the tomb.
@@FishfaceTheDestroyer he’s not solo in Luke. Read the two verses right before it (24:10-11), it literally says the apostles (plural) were there when they were told. Then it just gives you Peter’s perspective of what unfolds, but never says it was “only” Peter who ran. You are adding in “only” when it’s never mentioned nor implied in the text then wondering why it doesn’t make sense if you add things in that aren’t there. The Gospels are meant to be read as complimentary to the others, and the others give more information for a complete story. In John more of the story is told from get this, John’s perspective.. I know crazy right? Who would’ve thought John would’ve gave John’s perspective.
But since there is no contradiction here, surely this is all you needed to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior right? If not, why are you even arguing it?
I’ve read the Bible cover to cover twice.
It’s a hot mess.
Reading is not the same as comprehending.
@@StillProtestinganyone with basic comprehension skills who has read the Bible will know it's nonsense
@@StillProtesting Sure, that is why people who read and comprehend end up leaving, while people who dont read and preach comprehension get stuck.
@@Julian0101 Riiiiight. That's why most atheists have no clue what the book is actually saying.
@@StillProtesting Yep, that is why most christians dont know how to handle problematic verses, like exo21, and can only regurgitate excuses without even reading the verse.
If there is a God he must be evil if he sends us athiest to hell for being the most honest humans in earth. We use the tools he's given us to find the most true things. If he's a truthful loving honest God, heaven will be filled with athiest that searched for honest truth.
Time to pair this guy up with Michael Jones
Peter didn’t have a Luke but Luke had a peter. =what happens when you ask a 14 year old atheist.
Hehehehehe.
When telling a eye witnessed account you will have some differences in details, such as peter being the only one mentioned in Luke to go to the empty tomb, but John also went, in johns account, and Luke provided more details in some cases, as did John, But there are no contradictions, he is confusing reports, the disciples did not believe, but peter and john did, and they were not the two who Jesus appeared to on the road because that was before the disciples got word from the women. And in Matthew we see the quickness of atheists to look for a error and not evaluate the situation. The women were told by an angel the lord has risen (there were 2 angels considering reports), and as they went to tell the disciples, the women met Jesus and worshiped him. Matthew dose not go into detail about peter and john, or the two disciples Jesus met on the road, that being said it skips the part where the women tell the disciples and peter and john went, but gives the last account with all the disciples mentioned in all the gospels, where "some doubted", Jesus said "because you have seen you believe, blessed are those that have not seen yet believe", and ascended.
this is what happens when an atheist puts a typical canned answer or statement on youtube with no danger of being confronted with truth that would reveal their stupidity
Feel free to call in and debate them. Because every time a Christian does, it's the Christian who's made into a fool. Maybe you are the Chosen One, maybe you can humble these foul atheists
Ok, what it the truth? Now's your big chance...
You know this is a call in show right? Meaning, instead of making this ignorant statement, you could call in and confront them on their “stupidity”
@@spacebook8923 yeah! What he said!
@@SevenPr1mef you make enough sense, they talk over the caller and deflect, or play Mot and Bailey. The have no intention to seek the truth.
These dudes don't argue in good-faith; they don't have any. The argue as if they have sins they dont want to give up.
an atheist that argues in good faith would be Alex O'Connor. His argruments make sense; he isn't shadowboxing with a strawman and dunking on weak opponents.
The Bible is written regarding the past present and future- a timeline horizontal- and regarding the physical world, the spiritual and the heavens, a vertical line. There is the cross, and without the aid of the Holy Spirit- it is just an inanimate book. WITH the HOLY SPIRIT- IT IS THE LIVING BIBLE....so they actually DON'T know the Bible.
I'm an atheist, I don't believe in God, I believe in Reality
Most atheists pray when a disaster happens to them and beg to Allah. The Creator, who has infinite power, accepts their prayers and removes the disaster. The person who denies denies it again. This is because the person is not ignorant and cruel. There is a God. He is a Creator with infinite power who answers his prayers and is worthy of praise.
It’s more like four stories and they’re not unreconcilable and their differences give testament to them being witness accounts
"Them being shoddy is evidence they're real!"
So there's something shoddy in God's perfect book?
"No!"
Cognitive dissonance is a heck of a drug.
I was a Christian that was having some doubt as a teenager. Then I studied the Bible and the history of the Bible in college. That sealed the deal. I was amazed at what the church leaves out when discussing such things. I don’t see how anyone could believe in Christianity if they learn everything I have learned and I suppose that is why they don’t teach you that in church. Hell, the church leaders didn’t even know half of what I had learned in a years and a half of study.
I learned more about the Bible as an atheist than I did growing up Catholic
another thing to keep in mind, what version of the bible you read, can drastically change things. Dragons, for instance, aren't in most bibles, especially the older ones. pretty sure it said things like hyenas or snakes or similar things instead. tried to at least make the animals realistic, even if all the events were lies.
I'm an Atheist and i don't know shit about the Bible. I went to church a few times as a kid, thought the stories were hilariously stupid and have never went back. Reading the Bible is like reading a phone book to people like me.
Totally agree. I have a religious family, and they tell me I am "cherry picking", "taking things out of context" and to disregard the Old testament, in favour of the "New Covenant".But they are using parts of rthe old testament- the 10 Commandments, and the whole crux of christianity the garden of Eden and the fall of man. Despite my family's religious fervour they only know the text through the views of their pastor. The never fucking read it themselves!!
"They never fucking read it themselves!!"
But , there are a LOT of words.
What kills me is that the four Gospels supposedly report what the sign on the cross read verbatim, yet all four Gospels contradicting each other. A lot of Christians lose their shit when you point this out.
I'm beginning to believe there are so many parts of the Bible, even if they are full of contradictions, because it makes it more dificult to read and remember everything. So most Christian people have a few short favorites they heard, and some vague ideas of what happens in the book (half of them probably wrong).
And it's not easy to correct them, because that would mean actually reading the Bible, and who wants to do that? It is so terribly written, so antiquated, so boring, so repetitive...and just plain not a fun read.
It could also be what happens when you ask anybody about the Bible. If anyone really knew the Bible without a strong bias to making it something, it's not..... The word of some sort of God.
Never let your skeptical child run out of fun reading, or they will pick up that Bible they received at 7.
But in all reports they say Jesus did rise from the death.
Question is where did Jesus found new clothes after he resurrected? He spent 3days in heaven. They sowing clothes in heaven
I’m not sure what the broader context of the conversation was, but I believe it’s important to consider that these are four accounts of a single man’s ministry, written by at least four different authors. If a gas station gets robbed and 10 people are spread throughout the store as the robbery happens; and then a year later you find them all and ask each person to give their account of the situation, you will receive 10 very similar stories about a robbery, but each person will recall certain details differently; especially if these grayer details were less important to the overall story. The Bible was written by man, and is believed to be inspired by God. If someone inspires you to do something, that doesn’t in any way mean that you were possessed and forced by that person to carry out your task. This is a misunderstanding I believe many people have when they imagine God inspiring humanity to write; it’s not possession, it’s drive.
So, did he ride a donkey, a colt, or both? I hate multiple choice questions!
Except your understanding is minimal. Your eyes see what you want to see. You don't look for anything BUT a contradiction.
You're projecting.
@@eddyeldridge7427 how so.? Give a man a Bible who doesn't and and won't believe, all he is going to do with it, if he's a "true" atheist, is look for the "flaws". Try to find something that backs him up.
@@imacarfreak6036
No, many will see it as fiction, regardless of the quality of writing.
Only a christian would miss the flaws. Because that's how you're indoctrinated.
That voice 😩... My god 😩😩😩
Dont worry man its all going to be revised in bible 2: electric bogaloo
Can’t wait 👌
its there words in the book am just throwing fax
That's all they say to me "just read the bible and you will believe" but yet, I can never get past the first few pages because the damn thing is just too silly. I keep getting to the part were some Israelize king gives his wife to a Pharoh; the Pharoh finds out and tells off the king and gives the wife back. It ends there!
As an outspoken atheist my entire life, I’ve always said that you’re better off reading “Peter Pan” and “Harry Potter.”
It’s the exact same fiction w/o all the immoral, divisive, hypocritical, horseshit theology thrown in!
Although I can respect the concept of knowing your debate opponent's material to use it against them, I just don't bother. To me, the belief in any "god" is primitive and lacks any basis in objectively verifiable facts.
Christians don’t read their own bible. That how they stay trapped in the words of their preacher/deceiver
Yes, and why the callers can't correctly answer these atheists' questions.
We are so lucky that these guys are here 2000 years later to tell us the Bible is wrong. Just think how wonderful the world would be if we all prayed to Mars like the good old days.
Nah believing any fairy tales is not something i wanna do.
Besides Mars is the god of war. Yahweh deserves that title.
I pray to the Sun god. So far it has worked - it appears every day.
All the people in the world who have been murdered by christians agree
I bet the world would be a better place if the Abrahamic cults never came to be.
Blessed are they who don't jerk off on a book they don't read, but instead READ THE BOOK and realize that it's a second-rate ripoff of other books written long before.
This is what happens when you ask an athiest about the bible they get it wrong 100% of the time. This video for example, they are not contradictory but they are complementary.
Do you know anything about history?
Matthew was obviously gay then 🤭
An atheist is actually more religois than the christians in my view. A reasonable person would simply admit they don't know if God is real or not. Anyone can cherry oick datta to prove etjer side, or disprove either side.
How does that make them religious, let alone more religious?
What about the 120 that saw him after the resurrection ? What about the day of pentecost ? What about we split time with the birth of Christ ? What about civilization being based on the bible principles ? You have a better solution for meeting peoples needs ? What about all the broken lives repaired by placing one's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ?
Let's see
120,being a claim only in Bible writings and nowhere else(the romans only hear some christians claiming Jesus was resurrected but none of them saw proof)
What about the day of the pentecost? The 50 day of his resuraction? How does that proof anything?
Birth of Christ may have a date different from the one we know+ some christian denominations still can't choose who is right on that .
Let's see... So
We have america that is based on christian morals, that was colonized by Europe.
We have a lot of catolic influence in Europe bc of the cruciades that brought ward and genocides just to push the religion.
Than there is the influence on Africa trough slavery
And that's it.
All that influence is due to war,genocide, slavery and other atrocities
Fun.
Wdym by "better solution for meeting peoples needs"?
There are so called broken lives repaired by other religions too such as Muslim, Buddhism and even Hinduism
you can only see in 1 dimension! of course your not gonna understand! when can we have a conversation?
Liars make poor martyrs.
Almost all Jesus Christ's disciples martyred.
And some sinuced bombs Muslims martyred for their Allah
This is exactly what we'd expect from actual eye witness accounts. The small variations in detail have no effect on the story. In fact if the witness accounts were too similar, conspiracy is more likely.
You can't have it both ways, is the point.
Either the bible is inerrant or the testimonies have differing details which makes them legit.
@@eddyeldridge7427 sure we can. The underlying story doesn't change. Look up Cold Case for Christianity by J. Warner Wallace who was a former atheist/skeptic cold case detective in California. He put the Bible through eye witness and historical relevance tests and determined it was authentic and reliable accounts. He's written several books on it. He says, "I don't believe it because I was raised that way. I believe it because it's evidentially true."
"We drove to Grandma Smith's for Thanksgiving." "My family traveled to my dad's mom's on turkey day." The only word that is the same is "to" but it means the same thing.
@@benjaminrandecker6570
What do you think inerrant means?
You can’t make the claim of divinely inspired and innerrant, but also say that contradictions are ok
@@bigdomkook that's fine. Can you point out the ones that change the character and doctrine of Jesus?
Mattl, mk, lk, jn....four different perspecitves by four witnesses.
*some of the Bible.
Very cocky but these atheist sound like they can't spell bible.
One thing is reading the bible with ignorance , and refuse to study it. Another way is to have faith and to open your heart to understand the bible.
When telling a eye witnessed account you will have some differences in details, such as peter being the only one mentioned in Luke to go to the empty tomb, but John also went, in johns account, and Luke provided more details in some cases, as did John, But there are no contradictions, he is confusing reports, the disciples did not believe, but peter and john did, and they were not the two who Jesus appeared to on the road because that was before the disciples got word from the women. And in Matthew we see the quickness of atheists to look for a error and not evaluate the situation. The women were told by an angel the lord has risen (there were 2 angels considering reports), and as they went to tell the disciples, the women met Jesus and worshiped him. Matthew dose not go into detail about peter and john, or the two disciples Jesus met on the road, that being said it skips the part where the women tell the disciples and peter and john went, but gives the last account with all the disciples mentioned in all the gospels, where "some doubted", Jesus said "because you have seen you believe, blessed are those that have not seen yet believe", and ascended.
@@specilegg I see where is you trouble, and I understand your problem , if you take time to read the whole Bible then you'll understand. Everything connects
I understand that because the bible says so, I can own slaves for up to six years unless I have kids with them, or give them to my kids as inherited property, at which point they belong to my kids forever.
@@bigdomkook many people get that wrong from the bible, simple because they don't understand it. The reason we have Literature classes is to understand what we read. It's not your fault if you don't understand the bible many don't, my self included , but there always room to study it
@@juanzapata9915 you poor thing
Really? Christians have answered this pretty thoroughly for a while now. Each of those accounts emphasize something different but not contradictory. This is not the slam dunk you're thinking it is...
They're clearly contradictory.
@@eddyeldridge7427So, they all don’t speak of a risen Jesus? Sure some facts are different, but you can easily put that down to Point of View. Is the main ideas the same?
@@CountCulture27
It doesn't matter how small the details. If it's the inerrant word of God, there would be no contradictions, at all. No errors of any size.
This proves that, even if your god was real, the bible is not his word.
I mean, they have given an answers, sure. It is an incredibly wrong answer, but you are right that it is an answer.
@@eddyeldridge7427 How so?
The story about the apostle is not about the event not happening, it demonstrates human weakness , or the habit of wanting proof to believe, and this is where you atheists come in. You are like Mathew and John, but later Mathew and John believed so will you my dear atheists.
How do you know they believed?
@@eddyeldridge7427 because the bible confirmed their believe. They meet in a room where Jesus met them, Thomath was one of them who said unless he puts his hands in Jesus's wounds he will not believe but when Jesus showed him his wounds he later, believed and jesus said " happy are you who believe without seeing..." So they later believed.
To you if they didn't believe, what would that imply?
@@he6907
I'm just asking why you even believe that story is true.
@@eddyeldridge7427 Why do you believe that animals evolved when there is no evidence to that? However, I believe the story because the historical records say so.
@@he6907
Selective dog breeding, agriculture, vaccines, Darwin's finches, etc.
Speciation is observed everyday. The only people who doubt evolution simply have no idea how it works.
I'm guessing you think evolution says humans came from monkeys, which came from fish, which came from a rock, right? That's a classic creationist lie. Fact is, evolution doesn't even disagree with the bible. The church just wants to keep its flock ignorant.
Now, are you going to answer my question?
"Peter went by himself in Luke, meter and john went together in john" if I didn't know about the bible I would have thought it was some gey pronhub titles
"This is what happens when you ask atheist acrivists about it, they read it." Do they? As far as I can tell he misread it.
Mark ends before they are told. Matthew doesn't say they believed the women, it skips over it to the bit Matthew thought was important. Luke's "only Peter went" isn't strictly true, it would be more accurate to say Luke only told us about Peter going since it is reasonable with the way they wrote at the time to do that, it is even acceptable now.
It isn't so much reading it as half assing the reading of it and then projecting a presupposition the text is wrong into your reading.
Apologist arguements have so many different sides to one issue you can use is as a D20
nobody understands religion, not even atheists
you can view this universe from 2 different perspectives because you are actually 2 things... you are a single being with your own thoughts and desires and you are also woven into this universe, as a collective of atoms, you are the universe
1. the more you live in the perspective of a single being, worshipping the self, the more divisive, the more alone, the more miserable you will become (satanism, the religion of the self)
2. the more you live in the perspective of the collective, the more belonging you feel with the universe and everyone in it, this perspective will bring you peace and contentment in this world, it will give you purpose
atheists think in the perspective of self, but so do religious people... as soon as you introduce a personal god into your religion, then you left the perspective of the collective and entered the perspective of self and introduced satanism into your religion, this is why our fake religions of today can pump out so much evil into our world
so if you're an atheist that got called a satanist by a religious person... just explain to them that they're satanists too... you should get along better now that you both understand your own belief system 💕
wokeism, social justice, 3rd wave feminism is all just satanism in disguise, it's sole purpose is to divide... and you can see the result of it... men thinking they're women, beating up women in rugby while we all celebrate it as "progressive"
If four historians recorded a history of WWII, and 1 of them didn’t mention D-day, another one didn’t say that Hitler died. 1 didn’t mention that Patton was a general and 1 didn’t say that Japan was nuked into surrendering.
Are these four histories incompatible with each other? Or is the common story simply written by four individuals who bring detail to different parts of the story ?
Does that mean 3 of the historians are lying and the four have written dow
@AnonYmous-yj9ib the events are the same, the matter is detail. In Matthew the importance is that Jesus rose, and the disciples met him in Galilee.
In Mark the oldest manuscripts don’t include an ending beyond the women leaving the tomb, and it’s been debated that a well intentioned Christian constructed the later endings of Mark using the other three gospel narratives.
Luke writes his book (and the book of acts) as a historical account of events, constructed from eyewitness accounts, specifically for the purpose of informing his friend Theophilus, and thus his include many more specific details of events that are not in the other gospels simply because they were not relevant, like the walk from Emmaus. He also only records Peter going to the tomb, but this does not mean that Luke and John are at odds with each other. (Who went to the party last night? Bob and bill went. Who went to the party last night? Bob went. Neither statement of fact is at odds with each other.)
Each narrative is different because each one put a different emphasis on the details they recorded. A careful reading of the four accounts produces no contradictions that cannot be explained.
@AnonYmous-yj9ib could you please explain what events are not the same, and how they contradict each other
Only Mathew and John are believed to have authored their respective books.
Luke and Mark were not apostles.
Yes the books are inspired by God, but shaped by the individual author’s vocabulary and experiences.
How are eyewitness accounts one of the worst forms of evidence? The moment you want to know anything about something that happened, you go find an eyewitness.
As I already stated, the contradictory elements are only contradictory from the very surface of the reading. Any in-depth study of the four gospels produces a cogent timeline of events that the four gospels agree on.
@@alphacentauri3069
Funny how "studying" the bible is indistinguishable from making excuses for it.
@@eddyeldridge7427 by that logic any subject requiring deep study to understand is indistinguishable from making excuses for false information.
@@alphacentauri3069
Not really. Science is written in such a way so that there is no room for interpretation.
Yet the infallible word of God? This part is taken literal, this part is metaphorical, this part is from the Old Testament so it doesn't count, but these parts from the OT do count, etc.
That's how I quit, started actually reading it ,not listening to cherry picked verces by a pastor
Imho a lot became atheists after reading the Bible... 🤭
(he/him) The culmination of athiesm. 😂😂😂
As I will often tell theists or bible bievers... If the bible was true about what it says in it, then it would not need apologetics or apologists to say anything about it to defend it.
Id the bible was true or had truth to it... Then it would stand upon its own merit.
The problem is that it doesn't, it cannot and in many ways throughout the entire context of every writing within it,... self contradictory.
When four different authors write about the same event, you're gonna get different details about it, but the big picture is the same. You better come up with concrete evidence if you're gonna disprove something to this stature.
If the details contradict each other... then they are likely making it up.
@Diviance They're not contradicting each other. It's just not taking into account. No, that's not enough evidence of making something up. Different people will see different things. Nothing about it is contradictory.
@@rickyepps6767
They are contradicting each other. Entire different groups of people were there, not there (it ain't exactly a big place), different events happened to the same people at the same time, etc etc etc.
They can't all be true. But they can all be false.
@Diviance If the authors were in different physical locations when it happened, there are gonna be different details. Just because one person says someone was there, and another doesn't mention that person at all doesn't mean it's a contradicting story.
@@rickyepps6767
...if they weren't there, then why are they writing it as if they were?
The stories have entirely different numbers of people. People who were there but not there. Angels that were there but not there. They clearly contradict each other.
If a bunch of friends all go to a concert with only one band playing and they each say it was a different band... that is a contradiction.
This is what I did in church, actually read the Bible and kept wondering why this story sounded so different from what we read a month prior… 🤔
When a event occurs, and ends up in court , why does the court listen to as many Witnesses as possible ??? Because , one may have been an eye witness at the scene . One may have heard the occurrence as it took place outside thier property etc etc . One needs to use logic and reasoning .
I like how the number of people who were supposedly there is a small number, but somehow each "eyewitness" sees entirely different groups of people. Almost like... they are all making it up...
@@Diviance if you stood at one end of the number nine , and I stood at the other , what would you see and what would I see ??? I guess we'd both be making it up .
@@annfrancis6287
I would see 8 people. You would see 8 people. We would both total 9 and we would both have a list of the same people.
Hilariously bad analogy.
@@Diviance I despair !!! Write down the number 9 . You stand at the top and then stand at the bottom .From one point you will see the number like this 9 , nine . From the other end you will see this 6 , the number six . Try it .
@@annfrancis6287
And what happens if the number is 8?
It's true I was a Christian. Definitely not now though 😅
Atheists will stumble on trivia when they have a sword at their throat. They keep marching toward the slaughterhouse
"Where you come across contempt for the Word of God, there is the devil.
We meet with such contempt for the Word of God mostly among the common people. They act as though the Word of God does not concern them. ”
Martin Luther
Atheists don’t ‘have’ to know trivia regarding the bible. Christians haven’t proven it to be absolute truth. It’s just another book after all. One with heinous and evil things commanded inside.
The old mob boss threat of "believe or else" with the proverbial Holy Gun pointed at your head. Typical immoral evil blood cultist rhetoric when they can't answer basic questions of their cult.
You have proven that most atheists are more moral than you are.
@@CheesyChez421you cant justify what morality is.
Take your pride parades and moral degeneracy elsewhere.
@@apersonontheinternet8354Atheists just need to sit back and deny every bit of strong evidence suggesting it is true, and act like they won.
No. Sorry. I was an atheist. Never wanted to have anything to do with any faith. But here I am today a diehard Christian. If you study, not read, but study the Bible you will find it perfect. At first read it seems crazy and contradictory, but with proper Hermeneutics and exegesis you will see for yourself that it is perfect and infallible, and you will be astounded.
And what exactly convinced you Christianity was true?
If it were perfect it wouldn't take more than one read because it would get its message acroos perfectly
A million different stories? Or four accounts of the same story? Very similar accounts with obvious variance? Like, the exact kind of phenomenon that occurs when real witnesses report a crime? And these obvious differences, that of course no Christian has ever known about so thank you for opening our eyes, if I was compiling a Bible at Nicaea and making up stories, why would I script such obvious errors? What you are exposing is positive evidence that at a minimum, the disciples truly believed what they experienced. Thanks for showing your ass…..again.
They're not similar enough, and in fact are so different many historians wouldn't take them at face value. And that's ignoring the absurdity of what's being said. The people at Nicea were separated enough from the alleged event they have no inference here.
People believing in something is not evidence of shit.
Yeah; but as investigators know; eye witness testimony often has people misremembering details. So they look for the commonalities and find the truth there instead of getting caught up in the minor details.
He doesn’t “know the Bible” he reads what others say about it.
He's citing it. Show where in the bible he's wrong.
Good description about what happens in churchs.
Reading and understanding aren’t the same thing.
And neither is "making stuff up to gloss over nonsense."
Now put all the accounts together the same way witness accounts are put together in court.
And we see contradictions that the opposition will try to explain away.
There's a single story, and it's only complicated in your head.
Absolute religious nonsense.
You do realize that all of those things can be true at the same time right? Theres different angles and events being recorded. Its like if I told you "I went to the store" but then later I mention that I went to the doctor before I went to the store- its not a contradiction, its just more information that I previously didn't mention the first time.
Uh, no, they can't all be true at the same time. If someone says "only these people were there" and someone else says "No, these other people were there, not them"... no, they can't both be true.
Ever heard of the law of non contradiction? Well it'd be broken if they were all true
They cannot all be true but guess what???
They can all be false 😮
Except that's not the contradiction mentioned here.
A better example is if you first said you went to the store alone, then later said you went with a friend, then later said you've never been to the store, ever.
@@drsatan3231When dealing with an event where small details are different, by that logic then that event never happened.
However, when you use that in practice, like in a court of law, then you never convict anyone ever at all on eyewitness testimony.
Actual investigators will tell you when you have several stories exactly the same, they are actually more unsure of their case as it could be witnesses collaborating with each other.
@@CountCulture27In a court of law, I know who called the cops.
Um no, never read the bible books, and care not to start either.
They forget that Jesus appeared in the upper room to them....
“Atheist activist”
What a pitiful existance.
Fighting again at something you think is imaginary because others don’t think it’s imaginary…………
For money!!!!!
Fast money brings slow problems
We're fighting against religion, which we know exists, because its demonstrably ruining the world.
...Christians are imaginary? Muslims don't exist? Weird point of view.
Valid argument.
5 people can witness the same event and all 5 people can report the same account, with inconsequential details varying slightly, while the basis of the account is true. This is not an uncommon phenomenon, known very well by law enforcement, prosecutors and defense attorneys and the courts. To act like, or suggest, that it is not so, is disingenuous at best, deceptive at worst.
Except this is allegedly "the infallible word of God."
Is this book is on par with random witnesses off the street, then it's clearly not infallible.
Something else that is known very well to law enforcement, defense attorneys, and prosecutors, is that eyewitness testimony is incredibly unreliable.
I don't think wildly different numbers of people, different groups of people, different events happening and all of that is "inconsequential".
I've a question for all the atheists in this comment section!
So basically I belong to a Muslim family. My family is quiet religious. For some time we've been thinking to move to Canada as the situation of our country is not so good. So my father has been asking me to do ISTAKHARA. It basically means that I'll pray to God and then I'll read some verses and I'll go to sleep. And if it is beneficial for us to move then God will tell me through the dream. Now the problem is that I'm an atheist! I could not pray! I just don't have faith in God, praying or ISTAKHARA. Now please tell me what should I do? And I absolutely couldn't tell my family about it! Please help
Tell them God told you to move. He came to you in your dream.
Top priority is getting your family to safety. People in your situation unfortunately have to fake it until you're able to live on your own.
@@eddyeldridge7427 hmm... I've actually been doing it for 2 days and today will be the 3rd day (u could do it for 1/3/7 days) and so far both the dreams were bad as much as I remember. And I also don't feel that Canada is our destination. We'll see what does the 3rd dream say!
@@whiterose456
Like I said, you need to lie to your family about this to get them to move to a safer place.
@@eddyeldridge7427 right bro
You're missing the most key part You're talking about what happened before everybody came back together. But they met in the upper room because they were afraid and because the Romans had already started searching for jesus's followers. But they all met in the upper room praying in Jesus appeared to all of them except for Thomas. You're missing the most important part. And you're disregarding all storytelling understanding. So continue on with your disbeliefs and I will continue to rip your lies apart have a great day
So we should ignore the contradictions because you think they're irrelevant?
It is so hard for people who are not on the atheist or religious side to take atheists seriously when this is the kind of reasoning and logic they use to claim anything that seems like a contradiction as proof that the bible is false without actually reading or investigating the claims they are making. Having two accounts that don't contradict each other is not a contradiction unless it would be logically impossible to reconcile the stories together. I deal with conflicting narratives all day every day in my line of work. Just because something seems contradictory when it is first stated rarely actually turns out to be contradictory when reconciled with simple reasoning and logic as is the case in these instances with even the slightest bit of investigation and critical thinking. It does not say "I alone was there" or "there was no one else" obviously different recounting of the same event will include different details of a story from the other person perspective. If I say "I went to the grocery store" that doesn't mean that my wife didn't come, or my child didn't come or my brother didn't come or that other people weren't at the grocery store. It is only by adding to the text and willfully misreading or inferring from it with faulty reasoning do you come away with absurdly illogical conclusions as presented here.
The more I look into these supposed "contradictions" that turn out to just be people who are really bad at logical reasoning the the more it seems that Atheism seems like a religion for just really, really stupid people.
riiiight…. this isn’t milk, per se. it’s just some white liquid that somehow came out that cow, with some calcium in it…